White House: It’s OK to Drop Bombs on Americans

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The Obama White House published their rules for assassinating Americans.
NBC News reported:

A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” — even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.

The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects abroad, including those aimed at American citizens, such as the  September 2011 strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaida operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both were U.S. citizens who had never been indicted by the U.S. government nor charged with any crimes.

A copy of the not-so-secret memo is posted below the fold.

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  • kay

    Why does this scare me?

    I can see its usefulness but……no judicial review? Just bombs away? Uh, hopefully, someone on O’s kill card list won’t be living next to me. My homeowner’s insurance doesn’t pay for secondary shrapnel problems to couches and tv’s.

  • Pink Tie Republican

    And the first time it takes out the wrong peeps because of a mistaken address?
    “Oops, my bad” says Homie the Klown.

  • jharp

    “White House: It’s OK to Drop Bombs on Americans”

    But you have your AR 15’s and 40 caliber glocks to shoot back, right?

    See how ridiculous it is for you nitwits to be stockpiling ammo and weapons?

    You fools wouldn’t last one day in your Rambo fantasies.

  • Patty

    It is bad enough worrying about nations who hate us, BUT NOW OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

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  • The Moll

    It’s OK. Obama’s a Democrat.

  • jharp

    “White House: It’s OK to Drop Bombs on Americans”

    But you have your AR 15’s and glocks to shoot back, right?

    See how ridiculous it is for you nitwits to be stockpiling ammo and weapons?

    You wouldn’t last one day in your Rambo fantasies.

  • kay

    The other “problem” I see here is that we’re not supposed to be scrutinizing our fellow man to see if they are Muslim or what have you, so when the neighbors move in next door and suddenly the drone strikes at Elm St. (which every city has) – that’s a slight problem….no? Or is this just in “other” parts of the world.

    Which would then make traveling very risky for anyone that might have given to a candidate Homeland Security deems a group frightful enough to warrant a drone action.

    Better not go on that cruise to France. Good gosh. The implications are frightening.

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  • Jeffery

    While in Yemen, Al-alaqi and later his 16 yr old son were assassinated by the US goverment. Both men were American citizens. Neither had been convicted of a crime, although they were suspected of being al qaida leaders.

    If you’re looking for something unconstitutional, this is it.

  • Jeffery

    Let me be the first liberal here to state that this is worse than President Bush’s torture policy.

  • http://none tommy mc donnell

    the people at fox news better look out.

  • http://www.spatulacitybbs.net Darth Venomous

    You wouldn’t last one day in your Rambo fantasies.

    How ’bout you climb out from behind your mommy’s fat ass and test us on that, jdouche?

    Bet you wouldn’t last 10 seconds before your ugly face tasted concrete, skank.

  • Patty

    U.S. Can Kill American Citizens Without Trial: Eric Holder

    WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday that the decision to kill a U.S. citizen living abroad who poses a terrorist threat “is among the gravest that government leaders can face,” but justified lethal action as legal and sometimes necessary in the war on terror.

    Holder’s comments broke the administration’s silence on the legal justifications for its decision to kill American-born al-Qaida operative Anwar al-Awlaki five months ago in Yemen. In a speech at Northwestern University law school in Chicago, he described al-Awlaki as concocting plans to kill Americans but he never explicitly acknowledged the administration responded by targeting the cleric for death.

    [……………………]

    He said the government must determine after careful review that the citizen poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the U.S., capture is not feasible and the killing would be consistent with laws of war.[……………]

    Obama administration officials told The Associated Press that Obama approved al-Awlaki’s killing in April 2010, when he became the first American placed on the CIA “kill or capture” list.

    “Any decision to use lethal force against a United States citizen – even one intent on murdering Americans and who has become an operational leader of al-Qaida in a foreign land – is among the gravest that government leaders can face,” Holder said. “The American people can be – and deserve to be – assured that actions taken in their defense are consistent with their values and their laws.”

    MUCH MORE HERE AND THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR AWHILE NOW. NO SURPRISE.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/us-targeted-killings-eric-holder_n_1320515.html

  • Patty

    The must have a surplus of drones or a quota. Kinda like a car salesmen.

    But Holder is the snake who is selling this.

    I thought the guy would leave but before he does, he is dropping the bomb.

  • jharp

    #13 February 5, 2013 at 11:06 am
    Darth Venomous commented:

    You wouldn’t last one day in your Rambo fantasies.

    “How ’bout you climb out from behind your mommy’s fat ass and test us on that, jdouche?”

    “Bet you wouldn’t last 10 seconds before your ugly face tasted concrete, skank.”

    No need to test you Rambo wannabes. Your talk is just that, talk. And if you whackaloons try again stupid I have Obama to do my bidding.

    And again, you fools wouldn’t last one day.

  • http://none tommy mc donnell

    #4…nitwits? do you know what you are doing to these people’s self-esteem? i never thought a compasionate liberal say such mean-spirited things.

    as for the effectiveness of small arms fire againist aircraft ask the pilots that flew in viet nam.

  • shadow

    Why does this scare me?

    I don’t know. Do you have plans on becoming involved in terrorism? Moving to an Islamic country? Hanging out with Ayman al-Zawahiri and company?

  • http://www.spatulacitybbs.net Darth Venomous

    No need to test you Rambo wannabes. Your talk is just that, talk. And if you whackaloons try again stupid I have Obama to do my bidding.

    That’s what I thought. You’re a coward, jdouche – just like the rest of your Demoscum butt-buddies. You’d p*ss your panties if you had to face any of us.

    And again, you fools wouldn’t last one day.

    How would you know? You’re too chickensh*t to come get some.

  • Patty

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  • shadow

    Better not go on that cruise to France.

    How many drone attacks have there been in France?

  • stuart

    Jeffery #11
    I would take up that line of argument with jharp #4&7
    He seems to be positively elated that our government has the capability to kill Americans at will as long as it’s done with drone strikes. That this is bad policy should go without saying. How long do you think it will be before this policy devolves into a simple ‘bullet in the brainpan’ for those whom he deems necessary to eliminate?

    7

  • Mike

    Sometimes we must destroy the village in order to save it.

  • Mike

    Sometimes it’s necessary to destroy the village in order to save it.

  • http://en.gravatar.com/teachx3 TeachX3

    *tin foil hat on* Just a reminder: the internet (free speech) is only being ‘allowed’ to continue so that the databases (lists) can be completed and the trolls are put in place to antagonize so that ‘they’ know whom to put on such lists. *tin foil hat off*

  • Mike M

    Sometimes it’s necessary to destroy the village in order to save it.

  • bigkahuna

    Jharp,

    The great thing about gun nuts is that they dont tell you freaking slimebag pantywaist liberals you have to buy any guns or ammo. But since it is our second ammendment right we intend to keep and use it to protect ourselves from the Freedom of CHOICE liberal douchebags like you and Obama. Now lets look at the oppresive morons of the liberal wackjob left…. Telling us at the threat of fines we have to buy health insurance. Telling us we cant smoke cigarettes in public, cant buy a 32 ounce coke, transfat, salt, happy meals, cant fill in a pond, cant plow your fields if it makes to much dust, spies on farmers, sells voter information, uses hidden email accounts to hide its dirty dealings, lies about private citizens, takes over guitar company and steals their woods and other property, and this is just scrating the surface.

    Does anyone remember when liberal hippie losers were the ones against everything big governemnet ? Now they are the party of huge ,invasive, oppressive govt. that screws up everything it touches. Power to the peope right ????????

    Jharp we need to protect ourselves from the DHS, EPA, and other non related agencies who have bought billions of rounds of hollowpoint ammo.

    We cant vtrust Obama or the liberals…Obama said…

    Hillary my plan doesnt include a individual mandate for healthcare like you do. LIED

    George Steph.(ABC Nat. TV) Its not a tax George I swear its a Fee….Until the Supreme coiurt said fee is illegal…. Nooooooooo Its a Taxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. LIED

    Benghazi was started because a movie…. We couldnt stop them, we couldnt find out what was going on as we watched it live then lied to your face America

    Fast n Furious… Well I had nothing to do with that…so therefore I will use executive privledge to hide the documents I know nothing about from you suckers. Who cares that 400 or so people died.. I am Obama Superhero to the idiot left .

    Jharp have you ever had a clue your entire life ?

  • jharp

    “as for the effectiveness of small arms fire againist aircraft ask the pilots that flew in viet nam.”

    Got it. The old confederacy today = the jungles of Vietnam in the 1960’s

    You losers are primitive, I’ll give you that.

    And you wouldn’t last one day.

  • DaMav

    This policy is fine by me. We are in a war and killing enemy leaders is all good. What galls me is the hysterical garment rending the left went through in attacking less aggressive policies under GW Bush — and the fact that Bush bent over backward to respond to their hypocritical pretensions of morality.

    The virtually complete disappearance of the “antiwar” movement as soon as Obama took office, and the near complete silence by the organized left on drone killings demonstrates conclusively that it is all about power. And power grows out of the muzzle of a gun. Which is why we fight with no quarter or thought of compromise to defend our natural Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

  • bigkahuna

    Jharp…at the very least we will live a day longer than you losers.

  • jharp

    #32 February 5, 2013 at 11:25 am

    “bigkahuna commented:Jharp we need to protect ourselves from the DHS, EPA, and other non related agencies who have bought billions of rounds of hollowpoint ammo.”

    Again. You Rambo wannabes wouldn’t last one day.

    And you can still go play pretend army in the woods. You just can’t use semiauto rifles with 30 round clips any more.

  • Yoda M

    Save the vilage, we can. But destroy it, necessary, it sometime is.

  • Ann Ominous

    juice harp

    best hit generator for Hoft’s site since bg began her sub-blog on his webpage…. keep up the good work harp. I’m sure you’re appreciated.

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  • bigkahuna

    Jharp on and on but ignore everything.

    If they wont last a day playing rambo why worry about them ? We intend to make it as hard as possible for Liberal run moron government to force their lack of values and lawbreaking ways on us.

    Come on and take them pantywaist.

  • mikulin

    If it is OK for this or any administration to write a memo legalizing the killing of an individual (citizen or not) why is it not OK to write a memo legalizing enhanced interrogation? It is this current administration that tried to punish past members of the justice administration and other agencies for the interogation policies of the past. The current President has said we don’t torture prisoners (his term for enhanced interogation), that’s not who we are. But his employees at his direction write memos authorizing the death of American citizens under certain (how certain are they?) circumstances and that is legally and morally OK. Is that now “who we are” Mr. President? Mr. President, why is it OK with you to kill American citizens without due process but enemy combatants should have civil due process?

  • Rock

    #33 February 5, 2013 at 11:26 am
    jharp commented:

    “as for the effectiveness of small arms fire againist aircraft ask the pilots that flew in viet nam.”
    ___________________________________________________________________

    I did two and a half years in the Nam crewing assault helicopters with the 1st Cav, then the 101st, Airborne, you have no clue you pathetic little man. Your comment marks you as uniformed, ignorant, and a uncompassionate liberal tool.

  • http://www.spatulacitybbs.net Darth Venomous

    Again. You Rambo wannabes wouldn’t last one day.

    Grow a pair and come try us, princess.

  • jcarp, countologist

    I spend my days on conservative blogs making sh!t up. If I actually had a business, I wouldn’t have time to insult people I don’t know. AR15s are scary, so I don’t want anyone to have them. As a matter of fact, anything I don’t like I don’t want anyone else to have. Your freedom ends where my opinion begins. That’s why I like zippy. He has no problem denying others the things he enjoys.

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  • 18Delta

    To Jharp

    I see your indoctrination is complete. If you are OK with your government taking these actions then you will be among the most surprised when a tyrannical government strips your rights along with everyone else. You will be saying to yourself how can this be? I worshiped at the alter of Obama, I don’t deserve this. But I forgot, they don’t teach the results of government takeovers of free people in schools any more. You will be a subject like everyone else.

    I see you didn’t study your math either. 20 to 30 million armed freedom loving Americans would be the largest standing army ever seen in the history of mankind period. You don’t have to be a Rambo to be strong in those numbers.

    Finally, you really don’t know who we are, we are everyday people who work everyday jobs and live everyday lives. But we do love our freedom. If you think that freedom loving gun owning Americans are the stereotype redneck living in a trailer park like you on the left love to characterize us, then you will be in for an even bigger surprise when you find out who we really are….. and how many of us there really are. We grow your food, refine your oil, teach your children (you would be surprised at the numbers of fed up conservative teachers out there) mine your coal, we are your doctors, not to mention the millions of military and FORMER military that swore an oath to the constitution.

    If you want to mobilize these numbers, go ahead and start the drone strikes on American citizens. And by the way, don’t bet on the military turning on the citizens they have sworn to protect.

  • http://none tommy mc donnell

    question; jharpy and shadow did you oppose bush’s wiretaps?

  • Winston Wolfe

    Here’s hoping jharp is at the top of the list.

  • Joanne

    Even drones have to land.

  • jharp

    #52 February 5, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    tommy mc donnell commented:

    question; jharpy and shadow did you oppose bush’s wiretaps?

    I did oppose them,

  • serfer62

    The question is…why do the Kommiecrats want a civil war?

  • http://ursusamericanus.us/w Ursus Americanus

    Folks other than the memo this is not news. The government has been working with this policy for some time. At least two or perhaps three US citizens have been killed by drones in the past couple of years.

  • Joanne

    All anyone has to do is stop going to work in protest – shut down America.

  • bigkahuna

    You an kill Americans if you want with drones….. You just cant waterboard terrorists.

  • JR

    I really do not have a problem with this. Look at the scum that we killed. Terrorist wannabees. I know the “slippery slope” argument, but this is a great tool in the “war on terror” (are we allowed to call it that?)

  • tj

    The problem with this (aside from the Constitution, of course..) is that they plan to kill “potential” terrorists.

    Look to the DHS website to see their list of “potential terrorists”… people who home school.. people who don’t trust the federal gov’t… people who believe in the Bible…the list goes on..

    This seems to be the groundwork for flying drones in the US and attacking “potential terrorists” (not muzzy armed compounds.. but law abiding citizens!)

    They are already using drones to monitor Iowa farmers…

    and helicopters are rehearsing attacks on US citizens in Miami and Houston..

    they just need to use it ‘against” Al Qeda until they can receive enough public support to enact it nationally…

  • Dave in NYC

    This is bad policy and may very well be unconsitutional. But it should be made clear that the memo only claims to be able to do this outside of the U.S. They are not going to use this memo as justification for a drone strike on your next door neighbor.

  • Neo

    The notion, that the the drone-strike memo shifts the burden of proof to the target rather than the government, is a throwback to the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre of 1919 which killed at least 400 unarmed men, women and children.

    When asked about children being in the crowd at the inquiry, Brigadier-General Reginald E.H. Dyer said that his troops were prepared to render aid any that requested it, but couldn’t explain just how that could be done.

    The Nobel Committee should be proud.

  • Han Solo

    >becoming involved in terrorism

    According to DHS anyone reading this website, or owning a Gadsden flag, or listening to Rush Limbaugh, or owning a copy of the Constitution to read, is a “terrorist”.

    I would SERIOUSLY question anyone who is totally stupid enough to use that “if you don’t have anything to be afraid of” bull crap in this day and age.

    There are so many laws, that EVERYONE is a criminal now.

  • Bigkahuna

    You mean jharp Han Solo? Jharp is a socialist scum just like obama

  • jharp

    I am gay! Ok, you got me, I’m gay! And proud of it!

  • http://none tommy mc donnell

    jharpy your opposed to the government tapping our phones but your ok with them bombing us. or is what party that is doing it?

  • shadow

    I would SERIOUSLY question anyone who is totally stupid enough to use that “if you don’t have anything to be afraid of” bull crap in this day and age.

    Do you have evidence of someone NOT involved in terrorism being the target of a drone strike?

  • shadow

    shadow did you oppose bush’s wiretaps?

    Just like with the drone strikes, I was OK with it, as long as a terrorist was at the end of the line.

    How about you? Did you protest your loss of freedom?

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  • brian

    Where’s the house of representatives’ investigation committee? I guess its there with the committees that are investigating the DHS buying billions of rounds and live fire military exercises around out cities.

  • Jerry C

    jfart… pansy-waist dhimmi POS

    The Philistines said that about David. The (former) reigning world super power-at-the-time said that about America. Britian, France, Russia & America said that about Afghanistan.

    Remember this strategic tidbit you little pansy-waist dhimmi POS:
    You need troops on the ground to effectively control an area

    Until then, real fighters will wait until they see the whites of your eyes. Worked in the past. Works today.

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  • AuntieMadder

    #7 February 5, 2013 at 10:56 am
    jharp commented:

    “White House: It’s OK to Drop Bombs on Americans”

    But you have your AR 15′s and glocks to shoot back, right?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Not if you have your way about it, numbnuts.

  • AuntieMadder

    @ 18Delta #51: Your efforts would be better spent trying to teach a blind dog to drive than trying to reason with that numbnuts.