For the Record… There Is No Rise in Mass Killings in US


A woman leaves flowers at a makeshift memorial near Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut December 15, 2012. (Reuters)

According to FOX News Sunday there have been 13 mass shootings in the United States this year. Yet, despite these recent mass shootings in Aurora and Wisconsin and Connecticut, there is no rise in mass killings in the United States according to a prominent criminologist.
WAFF reported, via Free Republic:

Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century.

Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning.

Still, he understands the public perception – and extensive media coverage – when mass shootings occur in places like malls and schools. “There is this feeling that could have been me. It makes it so much more frightening.”

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  • airon-later

    The way that you and others are deemphasizing the reality of what happened on Friday is disgusting beyond all comprehension. Get your facts straight you ignorant buffoon.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation

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  • Carbon Pootprint

    The way the pedophile progressives in Hollywood and the progressive financial terrorist in New York (and those who rely on them for a living) are trying to disarm America is “disgusting beyond all comprehension”. So what else are these traitors planning on doing to us?

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    Hey, airhead is back with its usual non seuitur. Of course mass murder isn’t on the rise, just agenda-driven twinks like airhead. Welcome to zippyville—forward and over the cliff. LIB!

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    sequitur

  • airon-later

    Who said anything about disarming America? Once again, you people attempt to frame a narrative that simply isn’t there. Proper background checks, education, training, registration, and even requiring insurance for weapons is what is needed.

  • Big Ed

    Yeah. Mother Jones is a definitive source. Bet you gets your news from Jon Stewart and Colbert. Typical pop culture useful idiot. Go look up that phrase between reading about Justin Bieber.

  • Stephana

    airon, all of that crap is already in place. Why can’t a libtard ever realize that making something that already is illegal more illegal will not stop it?

  • airon-later

    So Big Eddy, did you actually take time to read the article, review the linked data, exercise some critical thinking? Probablly not, as your response is typical of knee-jerk prattling. Such is a character trait of not only Hoft, but every mouth-apage droogie like yourself that can’t think on their own.

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    Who said anything about disarming America?

    No one—except YOU! Another strawman you conveniently constructed to spew useless platitudes to try and exploit a trajedy. NEXT!

  • airon-later

    #8 – if such things are already in place, then why do we continue to see these mass killings happen?

    #10 – show me where I proposed disarming America? Oh, that’s right —– you can’t.

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    YOU brought it up. Show ME where anyone made a comment regarding “disarming.” YOUR comment is the only one that mentions IT. I COPIED IT FROM YOUR COMMENT! Are you denying you typed your own comment?

  • airon-later

    Never mentioned disarming America, not once.

    The only one that mentioned it was Carbon Footprint #3

    Fact.

  • airon-later

    I only alluded to it once #3 started in on that

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    airon-later #11 “if such things are already in place, then why do we continue to see these mass killings happen?”

    … there were MULTIPLE LAWS BROKEN in that tragedy. It is against the law to murder (using any tool), it is against the law to do anything hurtful to children, it is against the law to force ones way into an establishment, it is against the law to bring a gun into a ‘gun free zone’, etc… The laws are in place, but it still happened. Blaming the gun for the tragedy is an example of someone who “can’t think on their own”… it is the PERSON who broke the laws that are already in place, it is the PERSON who committed acts of evil.

  • occam

    America just has to accept mass murder as the down side of the ability of any allowing anyone to do so. Damn libs are trying to make us register all our guns like they were cars or something

  • Sasja

    My loaded Glock is resting on the table. I, and my hubby, have ordered it to fire but so far, nothing. Can’t figure it out. Must be a malfunction.

  • airon-later

    #15 So making guns more accessible ( ie: gun shows where no background checks are done or are so easy to get around ) and ignoring the stability and mental health of those attempting to purchase them is the answer?

    I’m not discounting the multiple laws that were broken, but – again – by allowing unfettered access to guns and ignoring the lax legislation that is already in place will not solve anything.

  • huck

    kids should be home schooled anyway, and state schools are just some socialism anyway

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  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    I’m not discounting the multiple laws that were broken, but – again – by allowing unfettered access to guns and ignoring the lax legislation that is already in place will not solve anything

    So you admit there are MULTIPLE LAWS, yet say EVERYONE has UNFETTERED access. Don’t you see the contradiction in your own statement? Have you ever tried to buy a gun?

    Move to Chicago were some of the strictest gun laws are in place. It’s a freaking shooting gallery!

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    where

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    #18 … ok, it seems your main problem then, is with gun shows. Never been to one, so I am not aware of any rules that may be lax regarding getting a gun at a show.

  • suck

    huck should be home schooled in a padded room with no windows.

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    Forget it, Tex. airhead has murdered many a strawman in its days commenting here.

  • airon-later

    #21 within the context of statements like yours and those of your ideological compatriots, it is quite evident that your only “solution” to the problem IS allowing unfettered access. There is no contradiction, but please – try to keep up.

    being from the South, I have had the opportunity to not only purchase a firearm ( I own three – a .22 cal, 410, and 9mm ) and have also seen what transpires at gun shows ( to respond to #23 ) and the people that are allowed to purchase weapons ( oft times ones specifically designed to avoid classification as “assault weapons” though they clearly are ).

  • Sasja

    I hate to tell you people, but as long as evil thrives in this world, and it does, there are going to be mass killings whether by tyrants or individuals. Just as there are serial killers, gang members, whomever. Murder is nothing new to the world and will continue until our Lord returns.

  • lincoln’s wife

    On this Sunday as we reflect on the week’s events, having sacrificed 20 innocents to the gun let us not forget to pray to the almighty God of the USA – Moloch, of the Gun

    http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/dec/15/our-moloch/

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    #27 … exactly.

  • valerie

    Gee, airon, you post an insult, get a response from the insult, and then claim the response is due to people’s failure to read the link under the insult.

    If you want to have a serious discussion, edit out the insult. Otherwise, you are just a troll, and your addition to the discussion is of no value.

  • valerie

    There actually is a rational discussion about what we ought to do. Critical analysis is not a strong point with confirmed-non-math majors, but there are able people of good will working on the problem.

    http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2012/12/apropos_the_dis.html

  • sablegsd

    REgressives! Don’t define the commicrats with their self labeled progressive. REGRESSIVES.

  • Tabby

    airon-later;

    I DARE YOU to go to gunfacts.info, download the free book there, read it & then come to us with your liberal bleeding heart talking points. What you & your ilk fail miserably to understand is that gun control is only control against LAW ABIDING PEOPLE. The fact is that as gun control tightens, crime escalates. The more guns there are the less crime there is!

    THE PROBLEM IS MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE WHO ARE DANGEROUS TO OUR SOCIETY & yet the left refuses to allow them to be institutionalized! They used to be locked up in a safe place while cared for & the culture was safer. Then the ACLU went suing states aiming at ‘deinstitutionalization’ beginning in the 60’s & by the 80’s they’d all been shut down & defunded. They got their wish & this is the fruit of their labor. I LOVE how you people cause this crap to happen then ALWAYS turn it into blame & assault on those of us that live by the rule of law!

    Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day.120 Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

    A gun saved my Mother’s life & my life from a criminal on a violent rampage when I was 11 years old. I am now 40 & have four wonderful kids & one new Grandchild ALL whom would have never seen the light of day if those you look up to had their way!Face the facts idiot.

    Guns help more people than they hurt. They will never go away & criminals will always have them just as we’re seeing in England with the crime rate They are the great equalizer so women like me can protect themselves against criminals!

    60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.

    D.C. has essentially banned gun ownership since 1976 and has a murder rate of 56.9 per 100,000. Across the river in Arlington, Virginia, gun ownership is less restricted. There, the murder rate is just 1.6 per 100,000, less than three percent of the Washington, D.C. rate
    In 1982, Kennesaw, GA passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate dropped 89% the following year.

    74% of felons agreed that, “one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime.” 57% of felons polled agreed, “criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.”

    Only 0.7% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows. 39.2% obtained them from illegal street dealers.Less than 1% of “crime guns” were obtained at gun shows.144 This is a reduction from a 1997 study that found 2% of guns used in criminal offenses were purchased at gun shows. 93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows).

    What will it take to make you ‘useful idiots’ understand you cannot legislate evil & more laws never ever help! CASE IN POINT: THIS TRAGEDY HAPPENED IN A “GUN FREE ZONE”. Since spree shooters love picking such ‘zones’ to carry out their crimes we are now calling them a “Gun Spree Zone”. How’s those law’s working for you there??

    GO READ THE FACTS INSTEAD OF SKEWED POLLS & cherry picked talking points that aren’t giving you the full story. For now I have nothing more to say to you because the FACTS are NOT on your side!

  • Stephana

    hey airhead. A gun is a tool. Guns have never killed anyone, unless they were used by a human. I guess this simple fact escapes your simpleton mind.

  • Dave in NYC

    So, have you retracted and apologized for your post blaming mass shootings on progressive policies yet? No? Well, of course not, that would require you to have a brain and a conscience.

  • Dave in NYC

    Only 0.7% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows. 39.2% obtained them from illegal street dealers.

    Where do the street dealers get them from?

    Less than 1% of “crime guns” were obtained at gun shows.144 This is a reduction from a 1997 study that found 2% of guns used in criminal offenses were purchased at gun shows. 93% of guns used in crimes are obtained illegally (i.e., not at gun stores or gun shows).

    Once again, how do they initially get from the manufacturer to the market? I am asking this question honestly; I don’t know the answer. Do illegal dealers buy them at gun shows, stores, on the Internet? Do they steal them, smuggle them across the border, or what?

  • IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States

    Big Ed commented:

    Yeah. Mother Jones is a definitive source. Bet you gets your news from Jon Stewart and Colbert. Typical pop culture useful idiot.
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    Exactly. I’m not saying I wouldn’t READ MJ, but I certainly would not take anything it says as gospel, either. It would be a starting point, not an end point.

    airon-later commented
    Who said anything about disarming America? Once again, you people attempt to frame a narrative that simply isn’t there. Proper background checks, education, training, registration, and even requiring insurance for weapons is what is needed.
    ==============

    WHAT possible enhancement of existing laws would you argue would have prevented this tragedy, SHORT of full confiscation? Go ahead, I’m waiting.

    ‎”Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”
    Sara Brady
    Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
    The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

  • Dave in NYC

    ”Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”
    Sara Brady
    Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
    The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

    According to the Internet, this is a fake quote. Can you show me the primary source for it?

  • IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States

    Yeah, I kinda thought it was suspicious, I just didn’t feel like checking on it. Mea Culpa.

    I hereby reduce the above to the below, still totally valid:

    ====================================
    Big Ed commented:

    Yeah. Mother Jones is a definitive source. Bet you gets your news from Jon Stewart and Colbert. Typical pop culture useful idiot.
    ============
    Exactly. I’m not saying I wouldn’t READ MJ, but I certainly would not take anything it says as gospel, either. It would be a starting point, not an end point.

    airon-later commented
    Who said anything about disarming America? Once again, you people attempt to frame a narrative that simply isn’t there. Proper background checks, education, training, registration, and even requiring insurance for weapons is what is needed.
    ==============

    WHAT possible enhancement of existing laws would you argue would have prevented this tragedy, SHORT of full confiscation? Go ahead, I’m waiting.

    ===
    As long as I’m going to alter it, I’ll add another question:

    What makes anyone imagine that this kid, who apparently was very intelligent, would not have simply selected another mechanism to do his evil.

    This was not a spur of the moment thing, he was working on it for at least a couple days, since he attempted to obtain a rifle in one or perhaps two different locations as of Dec. 11, the same day as the Oregon Mall incident (an … ummmm… interesting coincidence I’d say. Possibly nothing more but, did the media frenzy over this event give this bastard ideas?).

  • http://Stormchaser Robert Arlidge

    This is what the rest of the world is thinking. Note the USA has the highest level of gun ownership in the world.

    From an editorial in Dominion Post, Wellington, New Zealand – 18th December 2012:

    More Americans die of gunshot wounds in the US every six months than have died in the past 25 years in terrorist attacks and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. An attachment to an outdated amendment to the US Constitution and a powerful gun lobby are putting Americans in peril.

    Two-hundred years ago in a patchily policed frontier society uncertain of its place in the world, the right to bear arms – the second amendment – was a necessary evil. Citizens had a right to defend themselves and their hard-won freedoms.

    Today, however, that right is a historical anomaly. Statistics show guns present a greater danger to their owners than those they are intended to protect them against. Not that the gun lobby would ever admit that. It has responded to the Connecticut shooting in the same way as it has responded to every other gun massacre – by attempting to deflect responsibility towards others.

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