Holy Smokes… Obama Wins Catholic Vote Despite Attacks on the Church

Barack Obama won the Catholic vote again last night.

This is despite the fact that his HHS mandate forces the Church to pay for abortion and birth control. And it didn’t appear to matter to Catholics that Joe Biden openly lied about it during his national debate with Catholic Paul Ryan.
Catholic News Agency reported:

The Catholic vote was divided much as was the rest of the nation’s voters, leaning slightly in favor of Obama. A final Gallup poll, reflecting tracking from Nov. 1 to 4, showed Catholics favoring Obama by 52 to 45 percent.

“The Catholic vote, like any number of votes, does have the potential to make an impact,” said Gregory Smith, a senior researcher who specializes in Catholic politics at the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion and Public Life.
While they do not vote as a unified group, Catholics are significant in elections because of their large numbers, making up approximately one in four U.S. voters, he said.

Smith said it is difficult to pinpoint what effect the contraception mandate and religious freedom issues are having on the Catholic vote this year.

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  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    They’ve made their bed, and in due time, they’ll be sleeping in it.

  • listingstarboard

    Not to mention that Obama also won 69% of the Jewish vote.

  • Sasja

    I have never understood why people think Catholics are God fearing.

  • http://israelsurvivalupdates.com Kenny Solomon

    Jews: 69%

    http://is.gd/CpgSPj

    Yeah…… ‘My’ people.

    Schmucks.

  • http://www.precisenews.us/pt/blogs/ Steven W.

    The church of false idols voted for the biggest false prophet of them all? Who’d have thunk it!

  • Tee Dub

    Catholics are following in the footsteps of American Jews. Social acceptance first. Democrat second. Catholic third.

  • YES WE CON!
  • Militant Conservative

    And the POPE endorsed Romney.

    Catholics are not true to thier faith and thier Pope.

    Jews have always paved thier own way to the ovens.

    Get ready folks, its going to get worse. Depression

    and a crash of the dollar. By design, we the people are now slaves.

  • Hugh

    One thing. Most hispanics are Catholic. That skews it. Then,you have states like NY,MA,RI,CT,NJ,and CA,with huge Catholic populations. Finally,many people who call themselves Catholic never attend mass and disagree with church policy.

  • Ceroth

    You mean CINO’s.

  • Robert

    Catholics who vote Democrat are, and can only be called, Catholics In Name Only.

  • libertypatriot

    What do expect from an organization that institutionalizes pedophilia.

  • Art Ewing

    I guess some church people are just as stupid as the others that voted for this evil man.

  • archtop

    Feeling depressed is a natural tendency after a defeat such as that that occurred last night. Nothing made much sense – to me. But I think that is part of the problem. We all think we’re right on the issues while the typical Obama voter has many reasons to convince themselves why they’re right.

    To me, if you look at the popular vote – they real reason conservatives lost is because there are (apparently) many fewer conservatives now than in 2008! Why? Double standards in the media, media bias, demonization of conservative issues and ideas.

    So what to do next? I for one will continue to fight for what I believe. But that may mean actually discussing the issues openly more than I do now – especially to younger people. That may mean having uncomfortable conversations with coworkers and friends. So be it – until we win more people over (particularly those who VOTE), there will be no resurrection of conservatives in the U.S. (at least at the national level).

    One thing I will do into the foreseeable future (and I have already been practicing for some time).

    FULL STOP ON ALL LIBERAL MEDIA. PERIOD!

    Do not watch their shows. Don’t buy their newspapers or magazines. Don’t go to their movies. Don’t purchase their sponsors products. Don’t even acknowledge their existence. If someone asks you about a story on CNN, just say you don’t watch CNN as it is a bunch crap. They’ll get the idea.

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  • Mike

    I’m Catholic (and voted for Romney) but I don’t think there’s a Catholic vote. There are Catholics who vote, naturally, but I don’t think we vote as a bloc on anything. The fact that Obama got 69% of the Jewish vote (or Jews who vote) is amazing. How can over 2/3 of the Jews vote for someone who’s anti-Semitic?

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg
  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    will we ever realize that polls are just of the one of the many tools in the
    powers that be arsenal of “perceptive mind control” techniques.. *sigh*

    ==

  • Sam Stone

    It was a great run America. The beacon of light and freedom for 200+ years.

    It was nice to know you.

  • Sam Stone

    Now we will find out just how “flexible” Obama will be with America’s national security.

  • Joanne

    Wake up call! Catholics have abortions and use contraception. People can’t think past the window dressing to see that this was an attack on a Christian institution and not on the rights of Catholics to make their own choices.

  • Sam Stone

    #12 November 7, 2012 at 11:20 am
    libertypatriot commented:

    “What do expect from an organization that institutionalizes pedophilia.”

    Are you talking about union teachers who have raped and molested far more kids than priests ever did.

  • forest

    Alot of Catholics aren’t religious.

  • zipity

    Catholicism, much like Protestantism in Europe, is becoming more of an affectation than an actual religion. I think folks just go to church for the social aspects of it. Networking, lets call it.

    I think they are on their way to irrelevance, if they have not already arrived there…

    Sadly, this will make things much easier for those focusing on creating the long dreamed of Global Caliphate.

    Now gather what you can carry and walk quietly to the cattle railroad cars.

    That’s a good dhimmi.

  • Objective Analysis

    Guys, the Scriptures spoke of this and Obama and the DNC Removed and Booed God & Israel:

    In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, the antichrist is described as the “man of sin,” or “son of perdition.” Here Paul, like John, is also warning believers about the antichrist’s ability to deceive:

    “Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” (NKJV)

    The NIV makes it clearer that a time of rebellion will come prior to Christ’s return and then the “man of lawlessness, the man doomed to destruction” will be revealed. The antichrist eventually will exalt himself above God to be worshiped in the Lord’s Temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Verses 9 and 10 say that the antichrist will do counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, to gain a following and deceive many.

    Well let the chips fall as they may. We were warned.

  • zipity

    And self-hating Jews are nothing new. It’s just now they appear to be suicidal as well…

  • Lindasadly

    The right needs to gather information from respected publications and ignore these extremists web sites run by people making money off your fear. Do your homework folks. The pundit has little no journalistic credibility. This guy is just racking in money off and feeding you misinformation.

  • http://www.truthandcommonsense.com archer52

    Doesn’t surprise me. Biden and Kennedy represent the social religious. Convenient to be, troublesome to be faithful to.

    Shame on them.

    Then again, they may be very happy their churches are forced to pay for life ending procedures. In a sense, we suffer from the desire to punish ourselves over and over for our successes and Obama has tapped into that deviant desire.

    Weird.

  • Fuquay Steve

    Most modern catholics are me first and then the church. The church is window dressing for them and not a way of life. Window dressing requires little if anything. Thanks Vatican II.

  • Joanne

    #25 – I do not believe Obama is the anti-Christ, but I believe he is spoken of in Daniel. Read all of Chapter 8 – it is an endtime prophecy. I will also post when I have time today, the Ferrar Fenton version, which is a translation directly from the Hebrew. My mother, a righteous woman if there ever was one, said Obama would be re-elected if he is the man in this prophecy, and he was re-elected. I just knew Obama would be re-elected also; although, I was hoping he wouldn’t be. If this doesn’t sound like Obama, I do not know what does sound like him.

    Daniel 8:23-25

    “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king, a master of intrigue, will arise. He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men and the holy people. He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.”

  • Militant Conservative

    #25 I agree and have been warning of this.

    It will of course get way worse before we get resolution.

    I look toward GOD in these times.

  • Nelle

    This is outrageous. Apparently most Catholics and Jews, and far too many protestants, are satisfied with the pursuit of happiness. Life, that’s negotiable. Liberty, who needs freedom of religion anyway?
    How can anyone say they love America, when they don’t value her founding principles and raison d’etre? It’s not America they love, it’s a little bit of security and comfort, and if those things are threatened the most they’ll do is demonstrate or perhaps riot.
    Freedom of conscience is not a perk, it’s essential. Would liberals tolerate it if Catholics could somehow form that dreaded theocracy, and then forbid them to spend a dime that might go towards birth control? Oh, no, they would not. There would be screams and threats and violence as they demanded their right to practice what they find moral and to do what they see fit with their money. Yet when we are told we must support what our conscience forbids, we vote for the tyrant? Please. The freedom to practice our religion must take precedence over the supposed right to have insurance that provides for birth control and abortion. Without freedom of conscience, we don’t have America. lt’s time parents and churches took it upon themselves to teach the meaning of this dying freedom. Clearly no one else does.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    pardon my repetition, but like it or not, whatever horrors
    or utopian fantasy’s it may very well result in producing..

    “Welcome To The New One World Order”

    [“At a press conference on December 1… the possible Presidential contender said, ‘…the network that Saddleback has helped to create has as much reach as any institutional force in our culture and has probably a wider reach around the world than just about anything that’s going on right now…. I hope one of the things that comes out of this conference that Pastor Rick has emphasized again and again, is no single branch of our society is going do this alone. If government thinks they can do it by themselves they’re wrong. Churches have to recognize that they’ve got to be partners with the government. Business has an enormous role….]

    oh yeah.. like i have been preaching for several years now, BARRY
    DUNHAM SOETORO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (by any other factual,
    fictional, or “composite” names) IS NOT ALONE, his declared “task”
    is to transition US into the NOWO, HELL=O??

    ==

  • Sasja

    Hey, lefties. This is what you voted for. Enjoy. Those of us living in red states will manage just fine, storm or no storm. You, however are going to really reap the benefits relying on government can bring.

    http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121107/tottenville/staten-island-fema-disaster-center-shuts-doors-due-weather

  • john03

    Hey. Catholics like free stuff too!!!

  • liberalsRstupid

    Living in Cali I can assure you most Catholics are Hispanic and they are extraordinarily DUMB…

  • Kate

    “Alot of Catholics aren’t religious.” Then why bother with the farce of saying you are Catholic? If you don’t believe in the tenets of your faith and ignore your religious leaders, what’s the point? You are a hypocrite. If you aren’t religious, you really aren’t Catholic.

  • Time

    I’m sorry I just don’t believe it… No way no how…

  • Rachelle

    Catholics have been drifting far left for years. Now that they see they are in trouble it is hard to suddenly turn away.

  • Catherine

    Americans have become the child whose mother told him that fire is hot and will burn but, this child will not listen and when his mother is not there to stop him from playing with the fire he gets burned.

    The big ? is how badly will he get burned?
    History shows us it does not look good. But this time there will be no firefighters to do the saving he will have to fight that fire on his own.

    Catherine

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: #18 – page 1 November 7, 2012 at 11:28 am bg

    just of the one of = just one of the

    yeah, no biggie, but what the heck anyways..

    ==

  • democraps suck

    Brain dead idiots

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    Okay, Catholics;

    When you start getting fined, and/or arrested, for refusing to support abortion, and the HHS mandate, kindly drink a nice, hot cup of “Shut-the-F*k-Up!”, and don’t come whining to the rest of us for help, and complaining that Obama’s attacking your religious freedom, and First Amendment rights.

    You chose him, you get what you deserve.

  • Stella Baskomb

    “A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.”

    –Robert Frost

  • Joanne

    People are so quick to accept the election results, but who counted your votes? Dear Lord, an election stolen – is Obama wonderfully corrupt or not!!!

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/spanish-company-will-count-american-votes-overseas-in-november/

    “As the largest election results reporting company in the US, SOE provides reports right down to the precinct level. But before going anywhere else, those election returns are routed to individual, company servers where the people who run them “…get ‘first look’ at results and the ability to immediately and privately examine vote details throughout the USA.” In short, “this redirects results …to a centralized privately held server which is not just for Ohio, but national; not just USA-based, but global.””

    “The American advocacy group Project Vote has concluded that SCYTL’s internet voting system is vulnerable to attack from the outside AND the inside, a situation which could result in “…an election that does not accurately reflect the will of the voters…” Talk about having a flair for understatement!”

    “It has also been claimed that SCYTL CEO Pere Valles is a socialist who donated heavily to the 2008 Obama campaign and lived in Chicago during Obama’s time as Illinois State Senator. Unfortunately, given what is known about the character of Barack Obama, such rumors must be taken as serious threats to the integrity of the 2012 vote and the legitimate outcome of the election.”

  • Mad Hatter

    If the Catholics are that stupid to vote for him knowing what’s coming their way, then they deserve what they have coming to them. The last thing I want to hear is them belly aching when they’re facilities will be forced to provide contraception.

  • Joanne

    In Canada, there is a paper ballot and you must provide picture ID and a receipt from a bill to show residence the same as the ID. Now in the U.S. there is no paper trail. The U.S. was set up for election fraud of the largest magnitude. Where is your paper trail to check? You DON’T have one. Republicans will never win another election….ever.

  • Joanne

    Look who is the CEO of the company that counted your votes! A socialist, from Chicago, who donated heavily to the 2008 Obama campaign. Can we all say fraud and treason. Damn it all the hell.

    “It has also been claimed that SCYTL CEO Pere Valles is a socialist who donated heavily to the 2008 Obama campaign and lived in Chicago during Obama’s time as Illinois State Senator.”

    See the link at #45

  • Patty

    The Terrifying Line in Obama’s Speech That Everyone Missed

    […………..]

    But while everyone was picking apart these and other flaws in Obama’s speech, they overlooked the most frightening line of all. That was when Obama promised that he’d pursue “the kind of bold, persistent experimentation that Franklin Roosevelt pursued during the only crisis worse than this one.”

    Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090712-625080-terrifying-promise-obama-made-.htm#ixzz2BZ02yomB

  • ned

    I haven’t seen one comment here that demonstrates the slightest understanding of Catholicism, the Church’s social teaching, or the nuanced writings of the Church. What I see is fundamentalist theocratic zealot sore losers who don’t get it, never will get, and are destined for the the scrap heap of history. Can’t say I’m not enjoying it though. 4 more years!

  • ned

    “When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons…(it) can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.” – Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, 2004 letter to Cardinal Theodore McCarrick

  • Kaye

    If you voted for Obama, you are not Catholic, you are anti-Catholic and you are disgraceful.

  • samminusa

    I am a “Cradle” Catholic………Baptism, First Communion, Confirmation, Catholic wedding and everything else in between………I am more than aggrieved and upset with my Catholic faith….the constant bowing to “Social Justice” is leaning towards communism and pity for the wrong people. My parish is huge in Atlanta and the groveling towards illegals is disgusting and goes against most of the Ten commandments………I have made a decision today to forgo Sunday mass and holidays inside the institutional building………I will continue to pray to my Lord Jesus on my own in the beauty of the world he created for us………I cannot continue to worship in a place that disrespects all of God’s laws and what he taught us.

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  • http://none tommy mc donnell

    i’m surprised but i guess i shouldn’t be, since the second vactican council 80% of catholics don’t go to church.

  • Satan

    Hey, don’t blame me. I voted for Romney.

  • ned

    Kaye, if you think YOU can decide who is Catholic and who is not Catholic then you don’t understand Catholicism. I’m not a Catholic and never claimed to be. But, you misunderstand the teachings of the Church. Clearly, the future Pope (in the excerpt from the letter that I just posted) disagrees with you, as do the Conference of Catholic Bishops and the rest of the Church’s nuanced teaching. You sound like a fundamentalist, not a Catholic. In Catholicism, YOU don’t get to pronounce who is in and who is out. That’s the province of the Magisterium of the Church. Read your catechism and learn before you write.

  • snap boy

    The Catholic Church ceded authority when the Latin mass was replaced by the vulgate.

  • ned

    Snap Boy: Says who? You? Do you speak with authority for the Catholic Church? Do you have even the slightest clue how Catholicism works? LOL

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    why would anyone believe this report??

    what, the msm in trustworthy all of a sudden?? 😯

    ==

  • Satan

    No, the Catholic church ceded control (and lost a lot of credibility in the public’s eyes) when they swept decades of child sexual abuse under the rug. That’s just plain evil. I should know 😉

  • Patty

    I say, Now shut up Catholics, take your medicine, as the Dictator has spoken. YOU TWO DESERVE ONE ANOTHER.

  • ned

    bg: yeah, because burying your head in the sand is a much better option. good luck with that.

  • ldm

    How BS are these polls.. I am Catholic – attend Mass Weekly – Voted for Romney. No one asked me, or my wife.

  • Remco Kimber

    What exactly is being taught in Catholic churches?

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    A final Gallup poll, reflecting tracking from Nov. 1 to 4,
    showed Catholics favoring Obama by 52 to 45 percent.

    Obama sued Gallup, nuff said..

    besides, common sense should tell US that thousands along the Eastern
    seaboard alone were cut off one way or another, ergo, never made it to
    the polls, Sandy saw to that.. :-(

    ==

  • john b

    Actually Ned, re your response to #58, they did. And any class on the history of the church and Christianity would indicate why: Beginning with Martin Luther, who translated the Bible from Latin to (I believe) German, there was a move away from the tight control of the church on many of the things that Luther raised alarm about. As the Catholic Church lost more parishioners in areas they already controlled and as the scope of their Church grew across the globe, certain areas had to be scaled back to make the church work, eg spread the word of God. [Talking about that, you might want to juxtapose that with another religion withan other god that insists that Arabic is the only way to go — talk about control — of every aspect of your life!]

    One thing I’d like to point out too Ned is that your tone to #58 about whether or no he speaks with authority of the catholic church is flawed: he certainly does — especially in view of his FAITH — a very important consideration not to be overlooked when being snarky about someone elses faith. For to that person, he/she has engaged in a public justification, glorification and proclamation of God. You should tread very lightly, if at all, on that.

  • Satan

    I have to give it to you guys. I really love the vitriol and divisiveness that is being spewed on this board. It really does my black heart some good knowing there are people in this world willing to blindly hate a majority of people they’ve never met or spoken with just because their stance on social issues conflict with their interpretation of a book. It gives me the warm and fuzzies, it really does.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    If you don’t believe in the tenets of your faith and ignore your religious leaders, what’s the point?

    The former pastor of the church that I go to retired recently, and he was not what I normally consider a conservative.

  • susan d

    I said it before and I will say it again-when Catholics have a choice between Marx and Christ, they will chose Marx, in the name of Christ.

  • Maudie N Mandeville

    Party on, Cardinal Dolan!

  • john b

    Dear Satan, again, as with what I said to ned in comment #67: Tread lightly if at all on someone else’s faith. Many of them have given al lot of thought to it and abide by their interpretation of what God expects from each of us. You on the other hand describe them as wholesayer haters. If you would like to do an expose on the catholic church and pedophiles, why not do one on pedophilia that might exist in all churches, synagogues, temples, and mosques, as well as rates of it in the godless? I think you are right when you use the two words “black heart” in that I believe you meant in it in a different way: blackheart (one word). Is this what you intended as your tag is satan?

  • ARF

    What’s being taught in Catholic Churches? The bishop of my diocese in VA was very clear that Catholics must vote 1st and foremost to protect life. It was very clear to me a Catholic convert who attends mass every week, that Obama could not be supported. Despite this I know many who chose to misinterpret and voted for Obamay anyway.

  • SaintsPreserveUs

    What’s being taught in Catholic Churches? The bishop of my diocese in VA was very clear that Catholics must vote 1st and foremost to protect life in it’s earliest and be most vulnerable stages. It was very clear to me a Catholic convert who attends mass every week, that Obama could not be supported. Despite this I know many who chose to misinterpret and voted for Obama and his intrinsically evil policies anyway. By the way, let’s stop the Catholic bashing….all of us truly committed Christians must stuck together.

  • Satan

    John B: Maybe I should tread lightly when it comes to somebody’s faith. But it’s also a two-way street. People of faith should also tread lightly when it comes to deeming who is a true believer and who isn’t. Just because you think a book has ordained you to judge those who you see as unholy doesn’t mean it really gives you any power at all. (here’s a hint: it doesn’t). But by all means, carry on with the blind hatred. As you well know, I kinda thrive on it.

  • David

    All comes down to demographics

    Many hispanics are catholic

  • squeaky

    why do i think that the largest majority of americans suffering from mental health issues may just have voted for one of their own……
    http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/11/07/professors-book-hails-apostle-barack-compares-him-jesus

  • Chalice

    Israel will be abandoned and isolated in the world. The great falling away from Christianity accelerates. For those who are paying attention, these are frightening–yet–hopeful days.

  • dnb03

    It’s because the United States Council of Catholic Bishops did not and does not have the balls to say to their adherents there are still such things as venal and mortal sin. It’s all relative now, in order to keep butts in the seats and money in the baskets. The reason the church’s numbers are dwindling is because pro-life Catholics feel abandoned by the peace and justice democrat wing of the church. The USCCB allowed Biden, Pelosi and Sebelius to make statements regarding the beginning of life that given two dogmas on conception should have had them vocally and publicly admonished. Some shepherds!

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  • retired military

    Dnb3 #79
    I hate to say it but I agree with you totally. And I am a practising Catholic.
    I had a discussion with my parish priest and said pretty much the same thing.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    squeaky #77 November 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    tell me about it..

    UN: NWO

    “The real goal of the Earth Charter is that it will
    in fact become like the Ten Commandments”

    ~ Maurice Strong

    “We are moving toward a New World Order, the world
    of communism. We shall never turn off that road.”

    ~ Mikhail Gorbachev

    “The social experiment in China under Chairman Moa’s leadership
    is one of the most important and successful in human history.”

    ~ David Rockefeller]

    Islam: NWO

    “Today, the responsibility, which used to be laid at
    the door of God, is fastened on the shoulders of man.”

    ~ HADRAT MIRZA BASHIRUDDINMAHMUD AHMAD
    (Khalifatul Masih II)
    The Second Successor of the Promised Messiah]

    again, a bit more of much more here..

    ==

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: #82 November 7, 2012 at 2:27 pm bg

    ‘The Messiah is absolutely speaking’

    ==

  • Fuquay Steve

    Satan we are all deficient in some (or in my case, many) respects, ignoring the tenets of the church should be avoided by all members of that church and we are to bring them back into communion by informing them of that truth. So our purpose is to help those who are lost find their way back, all for the sake of their eternal soul. Lay off criticizing my brothers and sisters – they are only doing the christian thing.

  • JFrizzle

    Wow. Lots and lots of people in glass houses throwing stones at Catholics. While I am ashamed that other Catholics clearly don’t follow the tenets of the Church and vote for this Pro-Death President, I am also saddened that all you people burdened by perfection are judging the entire Catholic base. Sleep well.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    November 4, 2012

    One law for All – Passion For Freedom – Awards 2012

    [Under totalitarianism and dictatorship, one eats “fear for breakfast, fear
    for lunch and for dinner, fear” says Uruguayan writer Eduardo Galeano.

    Fear is palpable when one lives under an Islamic
    inquisition, even if it’s not experienced directly.

    Even here in Europe – Islamism’s Sharia laws and fatwas of censorship and death for everything from blasphemy, heresy, and apostasy become secular ones – where the artist or dissenter is not routinely imprisoned or killed (even if the threat is always there) but proclaimed ‘guilty’ of offence, disrespect, intolerance, and Islamophobia, thereby making censorship and self-censorship ‘justifiable’.

    Where it rules, Islamism forbids you to dissent;
    here, it convinces you that dissent is impossible.

    Yet fear is only part of the story; it is
    what we do despite the fear that counts.

    In the late 1980s, whilst working in Sudan, I and a Burmese colleague whose name I cannot recall initiated an underground human rights organisation opposed to the Islamic regime there. When things got tricky, he said the fear was secondary. Taking action – even when one is afraid – that is the sign of true courage.

    Though I do often wonder who is really afraid of whom?

    Islamists are even afraid of 15 year old
    Malala who wants the right to go to school.

    It is they who are afraid of the truth. And of us.

    One Law for All – and its Passion for Freedom Art Festival – speaks truth to power and demands change, despite the fear. But it also aims to honour our artists and our dissenters.

    No society or community is homogeneous. Dissent and great art is alive even in the furthest and darkest corners of the globe. As is immense courage.

    As Salman Rushdie says: “Great art, or, let’s just say, more modestly, original art is never created in the safe middle ground, but always at the edge. Originality is dangerous. It challenges, questions, overturns assumptions, unsettles moral codes, disrespects sacred cows or other such entities. It can be shocking, or ugly, or, to use the catch-all term so beloved of the tabloid press, controversial. And if we believe in liberty, if we want the air we breathe to remain plentiful and breathable, this is the art whose right to exist we must not only defend, but celebrate. Art is not entertainment. At its very best, it’s a revolution.”

    One of the artists celebrated at the festival, Ai WeiWei says:
    “If we don’t push”, nothing changes. Clearly, change it must.

    ~ Maryam Namazie]

    ==

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    ‘Democracy and political Islam can’t coexist’

    [Rather than remain on the defensive, Jasser says, the US and the West
    at large must take a muscular, offensive approach toward promoting the
    ideals of liberalism. Those who say democracy and political Islam can
    peacefully coexist, he says, are ill-informed.

    “They don’t understand democracy. My devout Muslim parents and
    grandparents understood Sharia. They understood that Sharia, while
    it means God’s law, is actually man’s law – once it is implemented in
    any fashion, it becomes man’s law.”

    Democracy, Jasser says, means more than
    elections; it means protection of the individual.

    “We need to start having a conversation about what exactly we mean
    by democracy,” says Jasser, a firm proponent of what he refers to as
    “separation of mosque and state.”]

    Son of Hamas

    and much more..

    ‘They Need to Be Liberated From Their God’

    [“I’m not trying to convert the entire nation of Israel and the entire nation
    of Palestine to Christianity. But at least if you can educate them about the
    ideology of love, the ideology of forgiveness, the ideology of grace. Those
    principles are great regardless, but we can’t deny they came from
    Christianity as well.”

    [..]

    “The problem is not in Muslims,” he continues. “The problem is with their
    God. They need to be liberated from their God. He is their biggest enemy.
    It has been 1,400 years they have been lied to.”

    These are all dangerous words. Of the threats issued to his life by
    Islamists, he says, “That’s not the worst thing that can happen to
    you. I’m OK with it, I’m not afraid. . . . Palestinians have reason to
    kill me. Some Israelis may want to kill me. My goal is not to defeat
    my enemy.

    It is to win over my enemy.”]

    ==

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  • Clemdog

    Great comments everyone…..we are screwed! This one below hits a home run! (only copied the first line)

    #25 November 7, 2012 at 11:36 am
    Objective Analysis commented:
    Guys, the Scriptures spoke of this and Obama and the DNC Removed and Booed God & Israel:

  • rep

    Mostly Hispanic Catholics as they are more concerned about welfare and immigrations and the liike. They go to church make a sign of the cross and vote democrats. Non-Hispanic Catholics are the ones who vote republicans. They are the thinking Catholics.

  • john b

    I got it now, Satan — any body that does not think like you is a hater. Now I understand your position and that it is everyone else that must concede to you. that is your idea of compromise (or is it compromising?)

  • workingclass artist

    Liberal cultural Catholics and hispanics voted for the suicide…Not Conservative Catholics who go to mass and practice our faith.

    Cardinal George stated Catholic Affiliated Institutions will be gone in America in 2 years because they are no longer protected under our constitution.

    Pelosi and Obama decided religion as protected by our constitution is confined within the four walls of church.

    Catholic schools,Catholic Hospitals (1 in 6 beds in the country) and Catholic Charities (5th largest charity) will be gone in this country.

    The liberals are fine with that since they hate the religious critics anyway.

    Liberal Catholics want a schism with Rome…their own liberal church.

    This will not stop with the Catholics…It will affect all faiths and all Institutions affiliated with a faith because Obama has decided these are not protected by that affiliation.

    People of any faith will be coerced against their faith to adopt an approved doctrine,speech,teaching and literature and procedure in the Institutions of their faith and eventually in their businesses.

    Some religions will comply and the results will be like the Anglicans with their schism…Some will fight and end up underground and illegal (Catholics during the Soviet Expansion)…Some will be eradicated or driven out depending on their populations (Happened to the Jews of Europe,Catholics in Mexico and it’s happening now to Coptics in Egypt and Iraqui Christians)

    It will be a steady push because we have seen it before, it will look like either communism or fascism but the effect will be the same.

    Total and Brutal.

    This is why the HHS bill was passed before we could read it…It wasn’t about the budget although that is important…It’s about removing church opposition to moral depravity and giving the state the power of coercion to control religions.

    No religion is safe if they have religious schools because Government will control how you school and who you hire…Just like they do in Europe.

    The USCCB will take it to SCOTUS.

    But catholic congregations are being prepared for the worst.

  • bernard law

    “Catholics” don’t’ listen to bishops or priests anymore. They don’t consider bishops and priests spokesmen for Christianity. Instead, they consider them pedophiles, pedophile protectors, and financially rich and greedy hypocrites, harboring the world’s largest wealth for themselves while 2,000 starve to death everyday.

    Catholic priests and bishops have been rendered irrelevant by most Catholics, and most Catholics mock the “religious freedom” argument touted by Cardinal Dolan and the others. They know Dolan is lying, and that Catholics have religious freedom, and Dolan is really trying to force HIS beliefs down the throats of everyone else.

  • bg

    ++

    there ‘s a new religion out there..

    they ‘re calling themselves “The Christian Left”..

    i am serious..

    it’s all over FaceBook for one.. :-(

    then there’s the sharia creepi9ng Chrislam..

    we are so dumbed down.. *sigh*

    ==

  • Fuquay Steve

    #93 – you kiss your mother with the mouth that says such vile things? Shame on you. It is a sin somewhere to be as ignorant as you.

  • bg

    ++

    this is such BS..

    the Chic-fil-A crowds alone were
    larger than their faux vote stats…

    can you just imagine the cries of fraud had the
    election not been riigged for an Obama win??

    and it’s not like there aren’t strong cases to be made.. *sigh*

    how dumbed down or numbed up are we?? verily..

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    oh, and if anyone really believed that Obama had a
    concession speech ready to go, i hear that bridge in
    Brooklyn is up for sale again..

    i credit those acting lessons he brushed up on
    in between golfing and talk show hopping../s/

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    bernard law #93 November 7, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Pedophilia Stats

    [“There are 400,000 registered sex offenders in the United States, and
    an estimated 80 to 100,000 of them are missing. They’re supposed to
    be registered, but we don’t know where they are and we don’t know
    where they’re living.]

    Islamic Pedophilia

    [“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl
    is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having
    intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as foreplay,
    rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a
    girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime, but only an
    infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is
    permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this
    girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is
    not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”
    ]

    Hollywood Pedophilia

    [“This has been going on for a very long time,” concurs former “Little
    House on the Prairie” star Alison Arngrim. “It was the gossip back in
    the ‘80s. People said, ‘Oh yeah, the Coreys, everyone’s had them.’
    People talked about it like it was not a big deal.”
    ]

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    i sincerely hope the homosexual community
    joins the fight against the following being
    proffered, if not in their name, their shadow..

    Pedophiles are just “minor-attracted persons”

    Mental Health Group Looks to Remove Stigma From Pedophilia

    ‘Time to Normalize Pedophilia’:
    Firsthand Report on B4U-ACT Conference

    Will Pedophilia be legalized?

    Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals

    Using the same tactics used by “gay” rights activists, pedophiles have begun to seek similar status arguing their desire for children is a sexual orientation no different than heterosexual or homosexuals.

    Critics of the homosexual lifestyle have long claimed that once it became acceptable to identify homosexuality as simply an “alternative lifestyle” or sexual orientation, logically nothing would be off limits. “Gay” advocates have taken offense at such a position insisting this would never happen. However, psychiatrists are now beginning to advocate redefining pedophilia in the same way homosexuality was redefined several years ago.

    In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.

    ==

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

    ++

    re: #98 – page 4 November 7, 2012 at 5:56 pm bg

    more re: Child Brides

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  • burt

    A majority of Catholics are pro-abortion. Here in Indiana the folks elected a follower of Obama to the U.S. Senate, Joe Donnelly. He is a graduate of Notre Dame University; however, he is pro-abortion. I am sure being for abortion and a Senator pleases both Notre Dame and the Catholic Church.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

    ++

    burt #101 November 7, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    ROTF 😆 MBO!!

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

    ++

    btw burt..

    Angela Michael

    “There’s a war on women…waged by men…who think a pregnant
    woman is a broken sex toy…and the way to fix her is to kill her baby.

    “Obama leads the attack. Obama voted that babies
    who survive abortion should be left to die.

    “He would kill his own grandchild – he says he
    doesn’t want his daughters ‘punished with a baby.’

    “And McCaskill works hand in glove with Obama’s crimes.

    “Send a message that women deserve respect; we’re tired of being used,
    then told to kill our babies. Don’t vote for Obama or McCaskill. I’m Angela
    Michael, and I approve this message.”

    “Pro-Choice” Americans at Record-Low 41%

    DEMOCRATS HAVE DECLARED WAR ON BABIES.. :-(

    ==

  • crackermike

    This devolution has gone to far to be stopped now. It must play itself out to it’s natural conclusion. There will soon be massive war in the Mid East and the USA will back the moslems. It will be 10 times worse than Greece with arms and Racial Hate. I truly though that Americans would rectify this situation. Romney was wrong, it wasn’t 47%, it was over 50%

  • dude

    God save the union!!

  • BurmaShave

    Father, I have sin; I voted for pro-abortion Democrat politicians [again].

    Tut, tut, my dear; say one Hail Mary, and don’t do it again for another two years.

  • BurmaShave

    Father, I have sinned; I voted for pro-abortion Democrat politicians [again].

    My dear, why did you do that?

    Well, to tell the truth, Father, I need crates of free contraceptive in the worst sort of way.

    Tut, tut, my dear; say one Hail Mary, and don’t do it again for another two years.

  • kato

    I wrote the following letter to the Editor of the Wall Street Journal back in February. (It was not published.) And yes, Subprime did make a return appearance at Notre Dame after he issued the birth-control directives:

    I can’t help wonder which Catholic Church Peggy Noonan was writing about. (“A Battle the President Can’t Win,” WSJ 2/4/12) When her Catholic Church rallies the troops, will Nancy Pelosi and all the other left-wing Catholics in Congress be joining the fight? I believe it’s more likely that Notre Dame will be inviting the president back for an encore performance.

    As for the 78 million Catholics, most of them are not in the pews on Sunday to hear those strongly worded protests. Big-city dioceses have been shuttering churches by the dozen and closing or consolidating schools. Churches that once offered a half dozen Masses each Sunday are lucky to fill the pews for two or three. And some churches are luckier still to have enough priests to officiate those few Masses.

    Americans of all religions or no religion at all have been ceding their freedoms to government for so long that one has to be truly an optimist to believe that we’ve reached some breaking point. If this president has proved anything, it’s that a nation of moochers will even let their children’s future be sold down the drain just to get their hands on some of that Obama Money. Free birth control to go with my food stamps, Mr. President? Oh, yes, yes, you’ve got my vote.

  • MVH

    My, my. This is a mandate for Obama to assault the Catholic church with impunity. After all, hAlf of ’em voted for him, anyway. The rest is easy pickings. These “Catholics” do not care, much less study Church teaching or Sacred Scripture. They certainly arent aware of how the teacings of the Fathers of their Church made Western Civilization possible. If they were cognizant of those things, they wouldn’t have chipped at its foundation with their vote. These will be the first to ask, “what’s goin’ on?” when the onslaught against their Church comes… maybe they won’t.

    St. Jerome, an early Church Father, and Biblical scholar [he was the first to translate the Greek and Hebrew scriptures into Latin] said it best:

    “Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.”

    Obviously, serious Bible study is not optional for Catholics. However…

  • Gerard

    Lukewarm Catholics choose mammon over God.

  • Gerard

    Say goodbye to Catholic charities and hundreds of Catholic hospitals which will be shut down in the next year. That means that the services to the millions of people once served by those charitable organizations will now come out of taxpayer’s pockets. Not smart.

  • Stevie s

    There is a reason for separation of church and state. So zealots could not undermine the country. This is America. Majority rules whether you like it or not. It is what keeps us strong. Deal with it and join ranks with the other half that voted against your beliefs. It will only make the country more resilient. Oh, and by the way. I voted for Romney.

  • T-bone

    It’s bs to lum all Catholics into a single voting block like blacks or Jews. Church goers rejected 0 in a big way. Those voted 0 are cino.

  • Richard Malone

    I think many Catholics voted for Obama because his visions resonate more with the social teachings of the Catholic Church than that of Romney.

  • arnonerik

    Being a Roman Catholic is for many like belonging to a club or like being Irish or Italian. They were mostly baptized as babies and had Confirmation while still a child. Most have never made a commitment to God or to the tenets of their chuch’s doctrines as adults. While there are many devout Catholics who are serious adherents, they are just a remnant of those who call themselves Catholic.
    Like many who call themselves Christian, their real “god” is themselves and their own selfish (and sinful) desires. Broad is the road to destruction.

  • kato

    The Catholic Church doesn’t stand for much anymore. Go to Mass and the sermon will likely be a shakedown for money.

    My uncle, before he died, was receiving about 10 collection envelopes per month.

    In fairness, the Church has some big legal bills to pay.

  • Mark S.

    This tells me that the tenets of the Catholic church in the United States of America are dead. I guess the DNC should just leave God out of their platform from here on out, because it doesn’t matter any more (at least among the two biggest religious voting blocs of the US electorate (Jews and Catholics)).

  • Michael

    Good Lord! There is so much Hate in these posts! I was raised in a Catholic church that taught (and sang) “And they’ll know we are Christians by our Love, by our Love. Yes, they’ll know we are Christians by our Love.” Apparently today the words have been changed to “And they’ll know we are Christians by our Hate, by our Hate! Yes, they’ll know we are Christians by our Hate!”
    Jesus, forgive these Haters for they know not how hateful they are.

  • Sarah B

    Satan,
    What book are you referring to in #75?

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  • Betty Migliorati

    What is important to me is that we all try and respect each other’s beliefs/opinions.

    While I was reading all the comments, I was really surprised by the ones that contained so much hate and nastiness. You can get your message across without being a jerk.

    BTW, I voted for O’Bama.