PHOTOS – Sikh Temple Shooter Identified as Army Veteran Wade Michael Page …Update: Was Dishonorably Discharged

He had recently broken up with his girlfriend.

Wade Michael Page, member of the band “End Apathy” has been identified as the Wisconsin Sikh Temple gunman. Photo Credit: MySpace . (Global Grind)

His landlord’s mother told Greendale Patch that Page had recently broken up with his girlfriend.

The gunman who murdered six people at the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin was identified as Wade Michael Page.
It is still unclear what his motivation was for the shooting at the temple.
Yahoo-GMA reported:

The gunman who opened fire in a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., and killed six people has been identified as Army veteran Wade Michael Page.

Page, 40, opened fire outside the temple before entering around 10:30 a.m. Sunday morning and killed six people. He served in the Army from April 1992 through October 1998.

Page was shot and killed in an exchange of gunfire with a police officer who sustained “eight or nine” gunshot wounds, authorities confirmed. Officials are treating it as a case of domestic terrorism.

Though police have not given any details on the motive of the shooter, but Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms Special Agent Thomas Ahern said Page had tattoos that suggested he had ties to white supremacists.

“It is being investigated. And what his tattoos signified is being investigated. They are all pieces of a possible puzzle to learn what was his motive in carrying out such a horrific act,” Ahern said.

While in the Army Wade served as a sergeant, and later as a specialist based in Ft. Bliss in Texas and at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina. Wade’s job was as a Hawk missile system repairman, and he then became a psychological operations specialist, defense official confirmed to ABC news.

On Sunday the FBI and a bomb squad arrived at a home in Cudahy, Wis., near Oak Creek, and ABC News Milwaukee affiliate WISN reported the action appeared to be related to the temple shootings earlier in the day.

There were some reports that the shooter had a 9/11 tattoo on his arm, leading many to speculate he was a white supremacist. Police later said they were treating the incident as “domestic terrorism.”

In a previous intervew Page told Southern Poverty Law Center he had been a part of the white power music scene since 2000, when he left his native Colorado on a motorcycle. He attended white power concerts in Georgia, North Carolina, West Virginia and Colorado. At various times, he said, he also played in the hate rock bands Youngland (2001-2003), Celtic Warrior, Radikahl, Max Resist, Intimidation One, Aggressive Force and Blue Eyed Devils. End Apathy, he said, included “Brent” on bass and “Ozzie” on drums; the men were former members of Definite Hate and another band, 13 Knots.

Page singing with Nazi flag in background. (Buzzfeed)

More… BG added this from IBT: Page was dishonorably discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” a Pentagon official told CNN.

Update:  Law enforcement officials had been tracking Page for a decade.  But, there was not enough evidence to pursue criminal charges.

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  • Granny

    While in the Army Wade served as a sergeant, and later as a specialist based in Ft. Bliss in Texas and at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina. Wade’s job was as a Hawk missile system repairman, and he then became a psychological operations specialist, defense official confirmed to ABC news.

    1. This story leaves out the salient fact present in other articles that Wade was less than honorably discharged.

    2. I find the fact that he served as a Segeant before serving as a Specialist (lower rank) telling – and the fairly frequent job changes. That seems to be a lot of different MOS for a mere 6 years of service.

  • donh

    ” He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit.”

    This fits the profile of scientology. L Ron Hubbard had a less than honorable military service record and made his post military career in ” self help ” mental therapies of wounded veterans. The massacre took place a couple blocks away from a scinetology church…same as the Aurora cinema 16 was also a couple blocks away from a scinetology church. These massacres are cult related , tied together, and should not be dismissed as ” senseless ” or ” isolated incidcents” . Both killers specialized in the study of the brain and yet the media wants them bushed off as ” insane” when they should be investigating deeper connections to organized satanism. ..>

  • Gregory

    What is the likely hood of this guy committing suicide with death by cop. He took a lot of time to allow the cop to show up and be confronted. How is this different from the Fort Polk or Aurora killing except less. Mental deficiet is consistant. What makes this a hate crime. More so than the kids playing the knock down game

  • Sal

    So, he hasn’t been in the armed forces for 14 years, but his being a veteran is the salient point? Way to stick to the script, LSM.

  • dunce

    The media is desperate to tie him to some group on the right rather than treat him as what he is, a nut job with no real political agenda. Attacking Sikhs? What have Sikhs ever done to him or us?

  • creeper

    So we have an army psychiatrist, a candidate for a doctorate in neurology and now a former psy ops soldier, all of whom go off the rails.

    Looks to me like the problem isn’t guns.

  • gastorgrab

    “There were some reports that the shooter had a 9/11 tattoo on his arm, leading many to speculate he was a white supremacist.”


    Do ONLY white supremacists care what happened on 911?

    This sounds like the ‘white/male oppressor’ stereotype to me.

  • bg
  • Jerry C

    LSM 101:

    1. A white guy committing a heinous act-Domestic Terrorism.
    2. A non-white guy committing a heinous act-random act of violence.
    3. If the white guy has served in the U.S. military-Military Veteran
    *ignore if it’s been years since service or dishonorably discharged
    4. ANY heinous acts committed by a white guy-No Guns.

    This administration, prior administrations going back 50+ years and Congress are at war with the american people & our Constitution. 2nd Amendment is the only thing holding back the tide of pure evil.

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  • gastorgrab

    Has the “speculation” by some about the tattoo unnecessarily involved people who were deeply affected by what happened on 911?

    Could the number have been ‘311’?

    Hate Symbols / ‘311’ – Andi-Defamation League

    “The eleventh letter of the alphabet is the letter “K”; thus 3 times 11 equals “KKK,” or Ku Klux Klan. 311 is sometimes used as a greeting to demonstrate membership in the KKK or simply sympathy with the Klan and its ideology. There is also a popular rock band with the name “311” which is not at all hate-oriented.”

  • Economan

    Why are they treating this as domestic terrorism if they don’t know the motive? But when Maj Hasam went a killing spree, they “didn’t want to rush in judgement”?

  • illini guy

    Another lone shooter with 3 first names…..hmmmmm

  • gastorgrab

    This is creepy! Look at the album cover from the ‘MySpace’ page::

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  • Dave in NYC

    1. A white guy committing a heinous act-Domestic Terrorism.

    I don’t recall the Aurora incident being widely called domestic terrorism by the media. And it was the FBI, not the media, who said the Wisconsin shooting may be an act of domestic terrorism.

    Your persecution complex here is ridiculous. This isn’t about you. Real people died here.

  • gastorgrab

    After looking at his MySpace page, I’ve concluded that Wade is definitely a Nazi/Skinhead. (The Nazi flag kinda gives it away.)

  • Rob De Witt

    Gee, and he looks like such a thoughtful, sane individual…..

    The “irony” of rigging yourself up like a nutcase has long since lost its punch. If you shave your head and cover yourself in ink the world will take you for a madman.

    And it’s rarely a mistake, either.

  • west1890

    How does leaving the military in 1998 justify referring to him as a “military veteran” as if he just left the service? Is this to prop up Napolitano and her DHS calling ex-military people potential terrorists? If categorizing this guy as a “military veteran” that category would include a whole bunch of folks. If he were 90 years old and fought in WWII would they still categorize him as a “military veteran” so they can support their contention that vets are “dangerous”? What BS….

  • jainphx

    People were also killed through fast and furious, hundreds, should those involved be labeled “domestic terrorist” Should Holder and Obama be so judged? I say more so.

    They will continue to use these events to disarm us, but only if we let them.

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  • donh

    Here is a Charles Manson brotherhood video I have posted before , but this one has narrative by Thelema cult leader Kenneth Anger. Note at the 8:00 mark he describes the arm tatoos which are actual seals of demonic spirits taken from hundreds year old texts. Also note the adoration of nazi symbols and vietnam war complex. Homosexuality, drug use , and summer solstice satanic ritual. August 1st is Lammas day on the Satanic calendar which calls for sacrifice….This massacre is a blood ritual of an Aleister Crowler style Thelema cult…>

  • Mama Grizzly

    “They will continue to use these events to disarm us, but only if we let them.”

    If there are many more of these, I’m thinking less copy cat and more government operation.

    Obama needs our guns in order to control the population. And he needs “public outcry” in order to get the kind of legislation against guns that he wants.

  • A PsyOps Specialist and a White Supremacist? Next one will be waving a Gasden Flag I am sure. So you have one involving Assault Weapons, one that is “Domestic Terrorism” by a Hate Group affiliated member, all you are missing is the trifecta of the “Tea Partier with a CCW permit” and you have the False Flag/gun control Trifecta…..and martial law can be instituted, and November elections postponed indefinitely for “the good of the nation” of course.

  • MAJ Mike

    When will the Lib-Cong connect him to the Tea Party?

  • JPL17

    Life imitating art? The guy looks creepily like that deranged Private Leonard “Gomer Pyle” Lawrence character from Kubrick’s “Full Metal Jacket.” See

    I can’t imagine it was unintentional.

  • Jim

    We know more about this guy in two days than we know about Obama in 20 years.

  • dave

    West1980>Yes people who served in WW2 are WW2 veterans and referred to as such. Nobody thinks this means all veterans are dangerous to the public. I don’t know why you even think such a silly thing..But generally a veteran is a veteran, ie vietnam vets….

  • snap boy

    Since Napolitano is constantly warning of white supremacist groups, wouldn’t you think Homeland Security would have a handle on members of those groups – especially people dishonorably discharged for “PATTERNS of misconduct.”

  • bg


    re: Update: Was Dishonorably Discharged

    in 1998 = 14 years ago


  • cal rifkin

    Probably a nut case, and the story’ll come out in drips and drabs. I’m betting the military thought he was a nutball…and with the lsm media dipsh!ts, he’ll get his flash in the pan sizzle, like they all seem to want and need.

  • bg


    dave #28 August 6, 2012 at 10:28 am

    okay, i give, what’s your point??



  • xkaydet65

    He’s described as a veteran because he is. How is that wrong to do? There is no indication anywhere that veterans are being eyeballed simply for being veterans. There’s a bit too much paranoia on conservative sites today. The only issue I have is the Feds taking control of the investigation. The local LEOs seemed to have had an excellent handle on the scene and situation, and the Feds doing more than tech assis hast opened too many conspiracy doors that too many on both sides have run through today.

  • owl

    I read a comment somewhere about this that I thought pegged the shooter. It pointed out that a skinhead, white supremacist is like a Nazi and socialist.

    That is absolutely not Repub nor Tea Party. Nothing in common. It is very close to Obama’s Socialist thugs.

  • donh

    #27 Because Obama is a member of the same network of gay choom gang BDSM thelema cults and it must be kept secret….The album cover posted at #14 is classic homosexual bondage art of Chuck Renslow’s Chicago leatherman . something Dom Orojudos would paint… >

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  • owl

    #27 “We know more about this guy in two days than we know about Obama in 20 years.”

  • bg


    xkaydet65 #33 August 6, 2012 at 10:32 am

    okay, so the following doesn’t qualify??

    Returning “VETS”, Constitutionalists,
    Pro Lifers, Ron Paul Supporters, etc



  • Arch

    1. Are you a veteran if you get a dishonorable discharge? I doubt you are eligible foe benefits.

    2. If singing offensive, hate filled songs were a crime, all the rappers would be in the slammer. You don’t have to listen to it, but rap is free speech.

    3. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a huge sham.

  • chuck in st paul

    #4 Sal, #19 west1890, I had exactly the same reaction.

    #28 dave, yes there are. The leftoids take every chance they can to dump on the military and this meme that we’re all just waiting to go off the rails and kill innocent civilians just like we did in the military is a constant thread throughout the LSM. I guess you were absent from class on those days.

  • Lightwave

    How is this scumbag part of the right, again? The military canned this joker 14 years ago. He should have gotten help, but gosh, look at all the cuts that Clinton and Obamee made to the VA over the years.

  • donh

    He may have broken ” don’t ask don’t tell ” homosexual policy and discharged…and the media not telling the details.

  • retiredmilitary

    This is classified as domestic terrorism but the Ft Hood shooting was classified as workplace violence. THank you democrats for political correctness.

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  • Wiscodoc

    Don, You’re nuts. He was a White Supremacist, plain and simple. I don’t think that is “right” wing. I presume you folks, while quite far to the right are not white supremacists.

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  • donh

    He was a homosexual bondage nazi…bunk bed buddy of Nidal Hassan….He even used runic alphabet symbol of Odin the wanderer…American nazis are left wing satan worshipping socialists and have no association to conservative christians…>

  • RKae


    I agree that Satanism is working under the radar; that these public multi-homicides are created by a loose network of competing cults that are death-obsessed and sex-obsessed.

    But the shooter, many times, has been programmed to do it. The thing about programming that your average joe doesn’t get is that the shooters are given an end goal but they make their own excuses and plans to get there and commit the act.

  • bg


    retiredmilitary #43 August 6, 2012 at 10:42 am

    oh yes, Barry (#16) is on a by any means necessary mission (#37..

    bit more here (#7), in connecting links & threads..

    trouble is about half the pop are volunteer victims.. /s/


  • RKae


    My family were sympathetic to neo-Nazis. My brother actually is one (for all I know; he changes ideas every ten minutes, and I haven’t spoken to him for years). It’s best to get “left” and “right” out of the dialogue. They are really neither. It’s something entirely different.

    It drove me nuts after the OKC bombing the way the media were trying to tie to right-wing radio. My parents were big into the white power movement then (“Christian Identity”) and they DID NOT listen to Rush Limbaugh! He was considered “a Bilderberger.” They listened to nothing right wing or left wing. It was all just strange conspiracy pamphlets printed in basements full of stuff both sides would disavow.

  • Bustr

    Was he Dishonorably Discharged or Less than Honorably Discharged?

  • Janir

    Mr. Hoft,
    You may want to amend your comments above on the shotoer’s discharge status.

    “Page was dishonorably discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” a Pentagon official…”

    The Pentagon offical didn’t say he was dishonarbly discharged but discharged for the patterns of miscounduct. There are multiple levels of military discharge, the lowest is dishonarable for felonicous conduct and requires a court marshal. He may have had a more general discharge or even a Bad Conduct. More informartion is required on this.

  • bg


    RKae #48 August 6, 2012 at 10:59 am

    okay, using your logic..

    what the hell are we worried about??

    i mean, we have THOUSANDS OF VETS
    in this country, let the enemy bring it!!

    sorry, many shooters have never
    even been near a Military base..

    ie: Virginia Tech massacre just to name one..


  • bg


    Bustr #51 August 6, 2012 at 11:05 am

    your computer doesn’t have a search engine??


  • Geoff

    Howdy friends
    “Discharged under other than honorable conditions” is different from “dishonorably discharged” and the differences are very important.
    If a person has a pattern of misconduct, like racist comments or misusing alcohol, the armed forces can form a board and discharge the individual with a range of options, including “other than honorable”. From “general” on down, discharges have reduced levels of benefits but the individual is always a veteran.
    A “dishonorable discharge” or a “bad conduct discharge” comes from the final approved sentence of a court-martial, not an administrative board. Since it’s attached to a federal conviction, usually of a felony level, a DD or a BCD usually means that the veteran is also a federal felon and cannot lawfully possess a firearm. Individuals who have UOTHC discharges or general discharges retain all their civil rights, since there is no judicial action, but they almost always have reduced benefits as veterans.
    We do have white racists who do occassionally carry out terror attacks. This shooter may or may not turn out to be such a “lone wolf”, similar to some other terrorists we’ve had of many kinds. If this evil act was intended to frighten or harm the Sikh community or the Islamic community, then it’s an act of terror.

  • Practical Jane

    False Flag.

  • RKae


    Who are we worried about? Damn. I wish I had the answer there. Read up on “the Franklin Scandal.” These child-raping, mind-controlling freaks are in every corner of politics, military, FBI, local cops, churches, education, entertainment…

    All I can say is “cling bitterly,” if you know what I mean, because your defense is your own job. And don’t let your church get watered down with new-agey crap.

  • donh

    “patterns of misconduct,” I am not an expert in military code language , but that sounds like rump ranging violations of DADT ….Penn State style shower gung ho bungholio .

  • bg


    August 6, 2012

    ineligible for reenlistment

    sorry, but they are doing an Obama BC wrap on this guy to enhance
    their gun control quest.. now is a good time to bring up Fast & Furious
    Brian Terry & all the otyer victims of a government plot gone awry, the
    consequences of which are yet to be determines, as Drug Cartels and
    terrorist compounds have been, and still are, rapidly setting up camps
    within the US..

    you’ve heard of the Hunger Games, well
    they’re playing the “Just Words” game..


  • Carbon Pootprint

    We need better White Socialist controls.

  • bg


    bottom line:

    so where is the Pentagons ” dishonorable discharge” statement go?? as
    if the military big wigs (whom side with Obama) don’t have an excellent
    semantics record, not to mention the teleprompter wordsmith himself..

    scroll for more here..



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  • bg


    RKae #57 August 6, 2012 at 11:16 am

    i clearly stated “using your logic”, not mine, hello??

    at any rate, you’re new here, well, at least your id is..


  • bg


    ps re: #63 August 6, 2012 at 11:46 am bg

    btw re: RKae #57 August 6, 2012 at 11:16 am

    agree, and if “homosexual marriage” is
    accepted, the flood gates will open.. 🙁


  • Dave in NYC

    donh, what’s your obsession with homosexuality?

  • bg


    Geoff #55 August 6, 2012 at 11:12 am

    thank you..

    and i agree it was every bit an act of terror as the Fort
    Hood Massacre
    , oh wait, the semantics game changed
    that to workplace violence (ht #43)..


  • Sikh Temple killer of 7 is former US Army psych-op

    “I am NOT an Alex Jones type,but something here is way too convenient for those who want to disarm the citizens. There was one witness who said there were 4 shooters dressed in black. ”

  • Where’s the MF money Jon?

    Looks like this killer hates non-whites almost as much as Islamists hate infidels.
    What a despicable person.

  • Mekan

    This guys is a turd and deserves the death penalty in my book if guilty of this crime. What I find fascinating is how quickly this is called terrorism and yet non-whites committing terrorist crimes are never called terrorists.

  • bg


    re: RKae #48 August 6, 2012 at 10:59 am

    we aren’t seriously worried about anything like
    a nuke attack, or jihad missions within the US??

    if not, how dumbed down are we??

    they’ve been going on for decades, 9/11 being the first on our soil,
    well, aside from Oklahoma, (quite a cover up with that one) *sigh*



  • donh

    #65 The media seems to be lying and hiding Wade’s homosexuality which may be innocent due to Wade being closet gay….or it could be calculated because this fact would be significantly damaging to democrat agendas…Chick fil A might have been the stresser that set him off. …but you want to change the subject and make this about me and my gay obsessions. Deviant perverted sex is an equal opportunity sin no more or less weighted than any other sin. Real gay obsession is to be one, and hide it. Gays who are open about it and don’t tie themselves up in black leather , whipping and torturing themselves, turning to satanic religions, are not the ones who will go on a killing spree, and they would find me to be their friend.

  • Incommendatus

    Definitely a Neo-Nazi based on his shoulder tattoo; a variation of the Celtic cross used in a similar fashion as the Nazi sun cross, with the number 14 to represent Hitler’s infamous 14 words, “we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

  • jorgen

    Right wing??? White Supremacist??? Look at his MySpace page

    Old German letters and Nazi flags! He is a Nazi, i.e. National Socialist.

  • bg


    re: #8 August 6, 2012 at 9:32 am bg

    Wade Michael Page Named As Alleged
    Gunman In Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting

    [The Army veteran, who was shot and killed in an exchange of gunfire with a police officer who sustained “eight or nine” gunshot wounds, served as a sergeant, and later as a specialist at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994. He was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations unit. Page was dishonorably discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” a Pentagon official told CNN.] —> POOF!!

    nuff said..


  • bg


    donh #71 August 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    do you have one scintilla proof to back
    that up, or are you aping Harry Reid??


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    re: #75 August 6, 2012 at 12:36 pm bg

    scintilla proof = scintilla of proof

    eh, pardon future typos unless they distort..


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  • creeper

    Quit with the lies about the “dishonorable discharge”. You’re trashing your credibility. Get it right.

  • bg


    Minty #78 August 6, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    albeit i believe it was, it’s not me who said it..

    oh, and you do recal Nick Berg don’t you?? /s/


  • bg


    creeper #80 August 6, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    hmmm, the CNN & the Pentagon LIED, go figure..


  • donh

    Yes #75 I have anonymous phone calls Chick Fil A receipts dated to Friday kiss in were found in the killer’s car. Every one of these nazi rock bands Wade belonged to are 4 bald white guys with no women in sight. Shade of the sick and twisted homosexuality of SS leader Ernst Rohm…>

  • JPL17
  • bg


    re: #81 August 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm bg

    December 23, 2011

    Wrongful Death Case Reveals Eric Holder’s
    Role in OKC Bombing Cover-up

    [“You need to know that Eric Holder…played a key role in covering up the torture-murder death of my brother, Kenneth Michael Trentadue.”

    This is what Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue wrote in December 2008 to prospective incoming chairman of the Senate Justice Committee, Patrick Leahy. The newly elected Barack Obama had made Holder his choice for Attorney General and Trentadue was going to do everything in his power to stop this shameful appointment from going forward.

    Kenneth Trentadue was killed in Oklahoma City on August 21, 1995, four months after the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building. He had been taken into custody by the FBI and placed in an isolation cell at a federal facility in El Reno, Oklahoma.

    The official government report on cause of death presented to Trentadue’s family stated that Kenneth had hanged himself in his cell. But massive bruises and lacerations all over his body compelled even the Oklahoma City medical examiner to state “very likely he was murdered.”]

    December 31, 2011

    the ususal suspects aka: Democrats.. 🙁

    By the Staff at AFP

    [Eric Holder, current attorney general of the United States, managed an FBI operation that provided explosives to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols just prior to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, according to official documents released during the ongoing investigation into government foreknowledge of the supposed terrorist attack.]


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    donh #83 August 6, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    that’s not proof of anything, what it is is a stretch..

    clarification: i am not saying he was or wasn’t homosexual,
    what i am saying is there has been no proof proffered to
    back up your assertions/allegations/whatever, well, not as
    yet anyways..


  • greenfairie

    American neo-Nazis are less concerned with the socialism part (though they are anti-capitalist) and more concerned with racial nationalism. They are no different from the New Black Panther types who believe the races should live separately in their own enclaves. They believe in overthrowing the government and find no difference between Democrats and Republicans.

    But most neo-Nazis, neo-Klan, and other white trash supremacists would rather sit around and smoke meth all day and mosh all night to their crappy faux-punk rock than anything else. Many of them are in the drug business because it’s kind of hard to get a job with swastikas and hooded Klansmen tattooed on your forehead. They are the left’s favorite bogeyman though it didn’t take white supremacy to produce a James Holmes, Nidal Hassan, or any other American mass shooter in recent memory.

  • Hmm. Judging from all of the tattoos, he wasn’t a jihadi or a conservative…

  • donh

    BG there are plenty of example where government ” sting operations ” go wrong. Recently the truck that was confiscated without owner’s knowledge and used to entrap a drug ring and the driver got killed. Our government needs to radically purge itself of these kind of police state fascist programs that have gone MAD. There is a likely possibility Wade was under the employment of the Southern Poverty Law Center on an FBI stipend . All his nazi rock band hang outs may have been stool pidgeon posing for bait and entrap operations to work the ” white supremacist ” scene to spy, entice, and jail the 5 or 10 bonifide race haters out there. It is very easy for ” sting ” operators to mutate into “black flag ” operators who commit crimes for the intentional purpose of government policy exploitations . It should be noted more prominantly Wade was roomates with a man whose brother is a police detective.

  • Geoff

    Howdy donh
    I’m sorry, I find your comments a bit difficult to agree with. I’ve never seen anything credible linking Timothy McVeigh with any group, nor indicating the federal government had any role in his atrocity (and I’m no fan of Holder or Clinton or Reno, I assure you). I’ve never seen anything credible linking the federal government to the 9/11 attacks.
    There is some reason to wonder how so many would-be jihadis find themselves working with federal informants and that makes me uncomfortable at times.
    There are certainly evil people and psychotic people who are homosexuals and some who are straight. There’s no linkage at this point between Page being gay — no evidence that he is, even — and his atrocious actions. Nor is there any plausible linkage between his military serivce which ended 14 years ago and his atrocious actions.
    Sikhs in America have been a positive group in general, more so than I think Muslims have. But this attack would be reprehensible if it had occurred at any place, even at a mosque where the Blind Sheikh has giving the sermon.
    Howdy bg, thanks for kind words.

  • Lightwave

    All reasonable evidence points towards this being Obamee’s false flag operation to attack the 2nd Amendment in the wake of the death of the UN Small Arms treaty. A former Army psy-ops man gone rogue is the perfect plausible deniability cover.

    This stinks to high heaven and back. Nothing is as it seems.

  • iamsaved

    “In a precious intervew Page told Southern Poverty Law Center he had been a part of the white power music scene since 2000…”

    What’s a precious interview?

  • bg


    Geoff #91 August 6, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    you’re welcome,..

    but please, don’t be too hasty as to dismiss all conspiracy theories,
    especially those of which have been openly admitted to and secret
    no more.. namely, a New One World Order, of which Kissinger himself
    stated is Obama’s task to transition US (ergo, the rest of the world)..

    and in all sincerity.. to deny it is a work in
    progress is well, sticking your head in sand..

    as to why so many lie about it is cause to worry, greatly worry..

    and before i get attacked for “worrying” by far right or religious means,
    worry is not unhealthy thing to do in tiomes of WAR, and as much as our
    dear leaders , the MSM et al would love for US to forget about it, fact is,
    we are at WAR people.. correction, make that war has been declared on
    US and our enemy has not only not surrender but have infiltrated every
    aspect of our governmental institutions and then some…

    look, my time on this planet will eventually end soon
    enough, my great grandchilds will hopefully not.. 🙁


  • bg



    August 6, 2012

    Dan Bubalo: A Government-Sponsored Existence

    [It is very difficult for Conservatives and Republicans to present arguments that have much chance of changing the thinking of far-left leaning liberals and those who believe life consists of a government-sponsored existence, especially when many of them are unsure if Martin Sheen served as president before or after Bill Clinton.

    Don’t think for a moment, however, that the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and enabling party members bent on peddling dependency don’t have a significant portion of their constituents right where they want them: partially literate, excitable, gullible, fueled by emotions as opposed to facts, and parroting insipid sound-bites as a substitute for reasoning, a veritable dream come true for the arrogant gentry who manipulate by means of offering greater government sustenance, and are too reluctant to instruct or challenge for fear of losing control.]

    more @ link, also pardon typos re: #94 August 6, 2012 at 2:23 pm bg


  • SoLongSong

    bg: Long time lurker and I have to say: Hope your time on this planet lasts a bit longer. I enjoy your well thought out links and posts and we need more like you. Secretly in a way, I envy people who don’t have to see what this country has become (due to a MINORITY and a complicit MSM), but lately I see signs of HOPE. Not barack’s kind – the REAL kind.

    MY hope is that even though I think this president is truly sick in the head and I wish he’d never been born WHEREVER he was born, perhaps it was a good thing that he was elected. We’ve been heading down this slippery slope for about 100 years now so gradually that we didn’t notice. Obama sure did wake us up, oh yes he did.

  • Geoff

    Howdy bg
    There are people who do want to “transform” America and, alas, some of them are currently in the most powerful roles of government. Others are outside the government and the leaders you and I worry about are their friends within government. That’s grounds for valid concern and also for voting vigorously.
    It’s a long step from what I believe Obama and the Enablers would do to our country and believing that Clinton or others “covered up” a jihadi role in OK City. It’s a farther step to believe the federal government set up OK City or 9/11. That kind of accusation needs serious proof.
    To put it a bit differently, I’d need the same kind of proof to believe in Al Gore’s warming theories.

  • derpHoft

    “In a precious intervew Page told Southern Poverty Law Center”

    Once again Jim, your lack of reading comprehension astounds me. As per your link, Page “gave an interview to the white supremacist website Label 56”.

  • Not Likely

    As usual the dimwits who read Hoft are up to their regular lies. He’s a socialist! He’s a gay socialist! You idiots are only nominally sentient.

  • Interesting

    PROMOTES Genocide against the Jews….

    CBS News: Shooter Identified As Former US Military Member
    August 6, 2012 12:00 PM

    OAK CREEK, Wis. (CBSDC/AP) — Authorities tell CBS News that the shooter behind the deadly massacre at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin Sunday has been identified as 40-year-old Wade Michael Page.

    Mark Potok, spokesperson for the Southern Poverty Law Center, said Monday that Page had been on the white power music scene for more than a decade in bands including Definite Hate and End Apathy.

    Potok says the music is so violent and full of lyrics talking about carrying out genocide against the Jews and other minorities that the whole business exists almost exclusively over the Internet.

    The gunman PROMOTED Genocide against the Jews…. and other minorites.
    A Hitler wannabe.
    Not exactly a tea partier and Constitutionalist, now, is he?
    (You know, one nation, under God with liberty and justice FOR ALL?)

  • flowerdrill

    Get a life, Morans.

  • bg


    Geoff #97 August 6, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    that’s your opinion, others disagree, that’s their opinion..

    having researched and kept up with investigative reports for several years re: the OCB, i absolutely believe there is some truth to it, what that truth is i cannot specifically state at this time, also can’t tell you how many informative links i’ve lost over the years, not to mention unable to relocate via the net thanks to AG & BO’s penchant for purging.. however, seeing as how so much documentation has been “disappeared” makes me even more suspicious.. at any rate, as far as 9/11 is concerned, there is nowhere near the evidence re: the OCB produced.. and the closest i ever came to any evidence of my own re: 9/11 was Kerry having ignored warnings.. which btw were a much more significant than any memo Bush ever received, as his were “in general memo’s” whereas Kerry’s were “specific memo’s”.. 🙁

    at the time, i said if 9/11 was an inside job, the Democrats
    were behind it, but it wasn’t an inside job, so there you go..

    ps: even the guy who started the inside job conspiracy recanted..
    posted about that several times as well, but the ding dongs keep
    ringing the bell..


  • jainphx

    Many of the most controversial happenings, Waco, Ruby ridge, fast and furious, etc, have had Holders fingerprints all over them. Janet Reno gets the credit, but her top assistant, (and many say the power behind the thrown) was Holder. Folks this guy is akin to Himmler and the faster we remove him from any seat of power the better we will be.

    A BCD or a DD are actually the same, its the difference say like, 1st degree murder to second degree, someone still died, and the one being cashiered did the deed.

  • bg


    SoLongSong #96 August 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    (((thank you)))

    i too am hopeful..

    albeit i’ve been praying we wake up in time for well over a decade now,
    i am still hopeful we will never surrender to those who wish to enslave
    US, or anyone else, as JFK would say..

    “Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay
    any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose
    any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty.”
    -John F. Kennedy

    Obama is the Nothing in the neverending story, however, the only thing
    that will be ending is his long expected reign over, as his bud Mahmoud
    put it, the 4 corners of the Earth..

    thank you..


  • bg


    Interesting #100 August 6, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    not to worry, the FBI had been keeping an eye on him since 2000.. 🙄

    btw, Page was booted out in 1998, 14 years ago..

    Barry was doing cocaine much more recent than that,
    not to mention he sounds and acts like he still does..


  • Adirondack Patriot

    I think the word “precious” was meant to read “previous” as in “previous interview.”

    Even the snarky SPLC couldn’t be that callous.

  • donh

    Wade clearly has all the hallmarks of a ” udeful idiot “. The kind of psychopath the government keeps in the shadows for just such a time when it needs some dirty work done. The government has long been obsessed with the ” bubba effect ” . The multicultural islamist agenda needs examples of ” islamophobia ” to point to inorder to beat back ” McCarthy ” tacticts of people like Michelle Backmann who bring pressure to the fact Muslim Brotherhood infiltrates our government.

    Now the stretch is in believing Wade would willingly agree to self destruct, but that is where the term ” useful idiot ” comes from. He might have been offered something by his handler only to be killed on the scene to scrub out the fake deal and silence the dupe, or he might have even been programmed by some hypnosis technique like James Holmes who claims amnesia. Islam finds useful idiots to blow themselves up so why do people cling to fantacies that it can’t happen here in pursuit of other ideological fanaticisms.

    Suspicious is that there are no credible explainations beyond the default dismissal to ” senseless insanity “. There is no evidance he was fired by a Sikh boss or dated a sikh woman whose father forbid relations…It is also illogical that a ” zionist ” jew hating neo nazi would want to kill muslims who are working the front lines at fullfilling Hitler’s unfinished final solution of a world without jews. It is also unlikely someone who sereved in the military would confuse sikhs with muslims.

  • bg


    re: #105 August 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm bg

    make that.. the FBI evidently kept a good eye on him from Jan 2001 to
    Jan 2009.. but i’ll betcha it’s the 👿 Bush & Tea Party’s fault anyways..



  • bg


    donh #107 August 6, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    those NAZI COWARDS wouldn’t attack a
    Mosque, they aren’t “gun free zones” ..


  • Taqiyyotomist

    Geoff, Minty

    “Jayna Davis”

    The last good newspaper investigative reporter.

    Yes, there is a Jihad connection to the OKC bombing.

    Believing that it’s too outlandish to consider is not logical, or reasonable… but it is the reaction expected of you by anyone practicing the art of “The Big Lie”.

    Do the research yourself.

  • RKae



    Right on with your conclusion: It is also illogical that a ” zionist ” jew hating neo nazi would want to kill muslims who are working the front lines at fullfilling Hitler’s unfinished final solution of a world without jews.

    The ne-Nazis I know are all pro-Muslim. My brother the Nazi speaks VERY highly of Ahmadinejad (who he calls “sharp” and says he “tells the truth”). He likewise loved bin Laden. He even went on a rant one time that I recall where he said, “If you look at bin Laden, he’s really white.” Weird sh*t. The guy’s off his rocker.

    My dad was markedly depressed when Saddam’s statue was pulled down. He thought that was the saddest day he’d seen in a long, long time.

  • creeper

    bg, I have yet to see any link to a story confirming a “dishonorable discharge” for Page. He was demoted, due to being drunk on duty, and not allowed to re-up but his discharge, per the Pentagon, was “under honorable circumstances”. How on earth does that equate to a “dishonorable discharge”?

    In fact, while you cite CNN as stating the discharge was “dishonorable”, this CNN story confirms exactly what I wrote, though I personally don’t consider them a reliable source.

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  • donh

    #111 I know it is a bit much to ask reason and logic from a psycopath who just massacred innocent life… but it bears repeating. Why would a neo paganist Nazi who hates zionist jews kill muslims ? …Except Wade didn’t actually kill muslims …He is a ” rightwing red neck bubba ” who ” mistook ” sikh for muslims…which actually helps muslim fundamentalist groups here in America . Organizations like CAIR will endlessly point to Wade and shake the bigot stick every time Americans question the activities of potential muslim terror cells .

  • Me

    So many delusional, ignorant if not nut comments here, starting with ‘donh’ would should really check for psychological help : scary. And before you ask I am a moderate right-winger…

  • dba…vagabond trader

    So the masm has him tied to the miltary…check

    white supremicists….check


    domestic terrorism… check

    How long before he is attached to the tea party. Its in the works, count on it.

  • Dr. Ron Polland

    The Obama Mafia are behind these mass shootings. They are targeting individuals whom they can manipulate with psychotropic drugs and mind control techniques.

    The racist Southern Law Poverty Center and Napolitano have specifically targeted white militias, ex-vets, Ron Paul supporters, libertarians, and Constitutional conservatives as “domestic terrorists.”

    Meanwhile, any terroist acts committed by Muslims is “workplace violence.”

    Who hate Sikhs? radical Muslims, not white supremacists.

    IK read that they are even holding drills with the army in case of an armed insurrection by the…wait for it…tea party.

    OWS is not mentioned anywhere.

    Obama is going all out to start a race war, declare martial law, cancel the election, and confiscate guns.

    Why else would DHS bought enough anti-personnel ammunition to fight a ten-year war?

  • Taqiyyotomist

    #115 Me

    When you see mass graves on the scale of China, USSR, and Germany…

    …right here in America…

    …you will revise your estimates on just who’s “crazy”.

    I guarantee you. Either that or you will be among the other, deceived part of the population which enables it, saying “they needed to be incinerated by the tens of millions — THEY were CRAZY!!!” and then tearfully regretting it when you’re in your late 70’s, nearing God’s judgement.

    You will soon either revise your estimate, or you will be part of the people-killing machine.

    No other options exist for you.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    BTW the progs are “property hunting” right now.

    Scoping out and calling “dibs” on properties they wish to own that are currently owned by non-fellow-travellers, who are soon to be “liquidated”.

    Checkin’ out businesses, homes, buildings.

    So many possibilities for the pickins.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    The same people who say “that’s crazy talk!!” when you mention any of the oft-proven conspiracies regarding Communism, Islam, and the Bible…

    ….believe in Chemtrails, alien abduction (and Egyptian pyramid-building), constructs on Mars, chupacabra stealin’ your babies outa their cribs, and ten thousand other insanities.

    But they cannot allow themselves even the possibility that they really don’t understand what is right in front of their faces.


  • God has allowed much more evil to be unleashed upon the Earth than ordinary, because it’s a period of adjustment that He wants us to go through. Why? I don’t know. But I’ll tell you this, that if there is just some back biting in you it will be magnified. If there is some hate in you it will be magnified. If there is some lying in you it will be magnified. If there is some bitchiness in you it will be magnified. If there is some turning against people because you are more concerned for your own butt, it will be magnified. If you are in some ways a bastard that to is going to be magnified.

    I’m experiencing a huge number of car repairs that have all of a sudden popped up out of the blue, much more than ever before in my life. Why? Because God knows if there is one thing that causes me more stress than anything else, it’s car breakdowns. Any kind of car breakdown has been going on, i.e. dead batteries for no apparent reason with batteries that are good suddenly go bad, starters that are good burn out for no reason, other electrical problems, doors jamming that would cost hundreds of dollars to repair, I’ll have to somehow fix because I’m poor and don’t have hundreds of dollars to pay somebody else to repair, any of these problems.

    I have one car that I may have to sell because I don’t have the money to get it repaired, that is, because suddenly things have happened to it that just happened out of the blue that are very expensive to fix. Like while I was trying to get the engine running in my son’s Honda, the water pump broke and started shooting water out the lower weep hole like a water hose. Then while I was working on something else, something very small and not hard to repair, the oil pump went out and I wasn’t even doing anything that would cause that, it just happened. Now that motor may have to be sacrificed as I may have to sell the car to get rid of it. Nothing like that has ever happened to me with the car just sitting in the damn driveway. It’s all the evil that God has allowed to be pured upon the Earth and mankind. It’s because we are stupid and voted Obama into the Presidency because we didn’t care and wanted to be PC. It is against God’s word to be PC.

    Have you got something that particularly bother you alot to have to happen? It will begin very small then it will get worse and worse until you are so over loaded that you won’t be able to deal with it all there will be so much happening out of the blue.

  • Taqiyyotomist
  • Occidental Tourist

    I am amazed at some of the folks herein who deflect about the nature of this homocidal maniac. He is of, by, and for the Right Wing. It doesn’t mean all you conservative types would do this, but it still makes me laugh that someone is trying to say that this guy is more “socialist thug” than anything. Sure, he is not reflected, nor should he be made to represent the Tea Party; however, he is, by political calibration, closer to the Tea Party in affinities than he would be of socialists. That’s all. That is indisputable.
    One more thing: I remember reading tow years ago or so where one of the fine scribes herein boasted that there were never any right-wing thugs, only lefties. Well, now we have this Page idiot, who clearly isn’t bright enough to know the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim, and the Norwegian guy, not to mention Eric Rudolph, and that other guy, and the other guy, and that dude over in Kansas…

  • ++

    creeper #112 August 6, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Page was dishonorably discharged in 1998 for
    “patterns of misconduct,” a Pentagon official
    told CNN.

    there you go, and irrespective of the semantics game..


    and frankly don’t see what it has to do with anything, it was 14 years
    ago.. i mean, Barry Dunham Soetoro Barack Hussein Obama has been
    trying to start color, creed, class, and credential wars left and right,
    and he was smoking crack more recently than that, probably still is..

    oh yeah, not to mention the guy was
    supposedly being stalked by the FBI
    since 2000..


  • ++

    Occidental Tourist #123 August 6, 2012 at 10:40 pm


    which way did he go George Bush and the Joooz fault, yeah, that’s the
    Tea Party ticket!! yeehaw!! play that funky Apathy crud one more time
    Heil Hitler was a Christian and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is my NaziO

    ROTF 😆 MBO

  • bg
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