Horror!… Neo-Nazi #Occupy Phoenix Protester Goes On Shooting Rampage – 5 Dead

Back in October we reported that Neo-Nazi Jason Todd Ready was patrolling the #Occupy Phoenix camp with AR-15’s.

Neo-Nazi Jason Todd (J.T.) Ready pictured on left patrolling the Occupy Phoenix protest and on right at Southern Poverty Law Center website.

Of course, since this was not a Tea Party rally the story was never picked up by the liberal media.

From the Video: Morpheus heads to down town Phoenix at the Cesar Chavez plaza to join with other individuals to DEMONSTRATE for the right to exist! The demonstrators get some protection from JT Ready and http://usborderguard.com

Jason Todd (J.T.) Ready, is a Neo-Nazi with a long criminal record who, also, received a bad-conduct discharge from the Marines in 1996.

This week Jason Todd went on a horrific shooting spree.
Yahoo reported:

Arizona vigilante Jason Todd “J.T.” Ready’s final act might have been his most horrific, say police.

Police have identified the former Marine with ties to neo-Nazi and Minutemen groups as one of the five people killed in a shooting spree in Gilbert, Ariz., a Phoenix suburb on Wednesday, according to the Associated Press.

It also appears that Ready, who was running for sheriff in Arizona’s Pinal County, killed four people, including a 15-month-old baby girl, her mother, and grandmother, before he turn the gun on himself, reports The (Ariz.) Republic.

Hat Tip Ed

As Jim Treacher says, “The Occupy Camp is a great incubator for domestic terrorism.”
That’s an understatement!

More… It looks like poor unhinged Charles Johnson jumped the gun on this one. JT wasn’t a rightwinger after all, huh Chuck? Hopefully Mr. Johnson will be honest enough to post an update with corrections.

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  • Taqiyyotomist

    He’ll be called a rightwinger.

    Even though he’s an “occupy” guy.

    —–

    OT

    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Girls-Subway-Assault-Bronx-Crime-Cell-Phone-Robbery-Police-149984745.html

    Police are looking for 12 female suspects wanted for allegedly taunting two teenage girls on a subway before hauling them off by their hair at a Bronx station and stealing one of their phones.

    via Drudge. You don’t have to guess the ethnicity, as there is video at the site.

  • coolidgerules

    This whole thing has the makings of a set-up.

  • If he had a long criminal record, how the hell did he get the weapons? Why wasn’t he arrested when he showed up?

  • Patty

    This guy needed to be put away long ago. Talk about 15 mins of fame. Let him have many in Prison locked up with the rest of scum of the earth.

    Once a screwball always one.

  • greenfairie

    Too bad he was the only one left.

  • greenfairie

    Oh wait, there was the 19 y.o. daughter of his girlfriend who managed to survive. Still…

  • elaursen

    Notice the MSM isn’t mentioning that he was running for sheriff as a DEMOCRAT:

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/elections/former-neo-nazi-to-run-for-pinal-county-sheriff-as-a-democrat-01202012

  • Chuck Pelto

    Looks like the 24-hour rule needs to be applied here. There are a number of conflicting stories arising from this event.

  • Jeffersonian

    HE! IS! THE 99%!!!

  • Mannie

    The Criminal Zerobama Regime just murdered four more American Citizens.

    (Not five – the perp doesn’t count.)

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  • BlackBush

    Guy looks like he used a lot of ball powder.

  • GT
  • Jayne on Left Coast

    I read he was a former member of the Minutemen. Don’t know how much credibility to give that. Can’t remember where I read the article.

  • Jeff

    he also spent two decades as a Republican, as a member of the Minutemen, as a strong advocate for “border security”………. are you people too warped inside to understand that:

    a) the conservative movement has some genuinely despicable people in it
    b) not everyone fits into a clear right wing/left wing construct

    He’s a monster regardless of what team he plays for and trying to score political points off of this should make you all extremely skeptical of Jim Hoft, not angry at the left or the “lamestream media”

  • TFG

    “When Tea Partiers carry signs with the face of the President of the United States, elected by a large majority of Amerindians, imposed on a monkey and don’t denounce those carrying those signs, the rest bear the consequence.”

    I agree. I detest people who carry signs portraying Bush as Hitler or as a chimp.

    Oh, wait, what decade am I in, now? People these days have such short memories.

    People ask me why I’m jaded. I imagine it’s the same people that have those sweetly-short memories. I would love to be able to go through life believing in nothing but what I’ve been told is true today. An ocean of ignorance, and me on a sinking raft.

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  • rabble-rouser

    it was Bush’e fault

  • Watching the video, he seems a bit more on the political right side of things, based on what he’s saying. Could be a set up of some sort, but he seems genuine. A tragedy no matter where he comes from politically.

  • I do not support the Occupy useful idiots, but I caution against using a loose connection between an apparent nut-case and Occupy to try and lay some sort of blame or enabling accusation on Occupy folks. In the video posted, I see nothing to indicate that he agreed with or sympathized with Occupy, or that he was acting on their behalf or at their request. In several cases he seems to pointedly express that he was there to protect free speech “if you agree with it or not.”

    We have Occupy a-holes doing violence and causing destruction across the country, indicted for plotting to blow up a bridge, being investigated for similar reasons. These are all well-documented and incontrovertible events that should suffice to demonstrate Occupy’s violent nature and revolution by any means philosophy. I have no doubt there will be some on the left trying to connect this fellow to conservative movement, but that is not, I think, sufficient reason to engage in the same sort of bogus and tenuous claims against them.

    IMHO, harping on what looks to be a politically convenient narrative based on tangential connections only serves to cast question on efforts to bring attention to the legion clearly legitimate violent connections to Occupy.

  • Joe College

    Yup, they’re already doing it…

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arizona-shooting-20120503,0,6681278.story
    Jason Todd Ready never made a secret of his passion for right-wing politics …

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  • BlackBush

    Scientists have proven that using too much ball powder can exacerbate homicidal behavior. This is called the Gold Bond Theory.

  • Anyone have links to some hard info on this cretin’s ideology ?

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  • JT Ready was very active in the republican party in the mid 2000s, his agenda while he was trying to get elected was 100% inline with social conservatives. After a while his true intentions of race war became evident and he was forced out of office. Any attempt to paint this guy as a left-winger is blatantly dishonest.

  • Cynic

    “I caution against using a loose connection between an apparent nut-case and Occupy to try and lay some sort of blame or enabling accusation on Occupy folks”

    Submandave: If you can get the media to use an equal caution about connecting nutcases to the Tea Party, GOP, and/or Christians, then I’ll agree with your caution. Since you don’t seem to be accomplishing that, you might regard this as fighting fire with fire–or lies with lies.

    Unfortunately “Losing with integrity” is still losing.

  • Militant Conservative

    #16 May 3, 2012 at 12:30 pm
    Jeff commented:

    Yup started out as a non violent Republican and BECAME a violent Democrat.

    I see mental illness as a major factor, its called liberalism.

    powder is dry

  • #22

    So they shouldn’t point out the fact that he was once a prominent figure in arizona’s republican party? Because it is the truth..

  • robotech master

    #27 May 3, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    William commented:

    “Any attempt to paint this guy as a right-winger is blatantly dishonest.”

    fixed that for you.

  • Not Likely

    “Yup started out as a non violent Republican and BECAME a violent Democrat.”

    How does it make you feel to lie to try to score political points? The man was not a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination. You are sick, morally bankrupt people.

  • Patty

    It also appears that Ready, who was running for sheriff in Arizona’s Pinal County, killed four people, including a 15-month-old baby girl, her mother, and grandmother, before he turn the gun on himself, reports The (Ariz.) Republic.

    ______________

    Criminal History
    In 1992, Ready was arrested for damage to property and aggravated assault with a weapon. He accepted a plea bargain and was convicted of assault. Ready had been with a friend who destroyed a car mirror with a baseball bat.

    In 1996, while serving in the Marine Corps as a lance corporal, Ready was court-martialed twice. The first time, after being absent for eight days without authorization, he was convicted of unauthorized absence, failing to follow an order or regulation, and larceny and wrongful appropriation. He was convicted, demoted to private and jailed for three months. Later that year, Ready was court-martialed again for conspiracy, assault, and wrongful solicitation and advice. He was found guilty, spent six months in detention, and was discharged from the Marine Corps for bad conduct.

    In 2007, Ready was pulled over for driving a vehicle with a fake license plate. He was carrying a 9mm Beretta handgun at the time. Ready was arrested and charged for possessing a traffic preemption emitter, which is an illegal device that can change traffic lights from red to green.

    In His Own Words
    “This is a white, European homeland. That’s how it should be preserved if we want to keep it clean, safe, and pure.”
    –Ready speaking at a National Socialist Movement rally in Oct. 24, 2009 {…}

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=93b_1284433618

    With all this info on this maniac, wouldn’t it be nice to have this guy under someone’s radar.

  • bg

    ++

    Where #OccupyWallStreet Really Began –
    Obama’s Hand in the Movement 5/03/12

    “When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side,’ I say
    calmly, ‘Your child belongs to us already. What are you? You will pass on.
    Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time
    they will know nothing but this new community.”
    Adolf Hitler

    [The work of Ayers and Obama through the CAC, combined with the
    work of Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop, literally parlayed a group of
    approximately 200 progressive schools into a network of over 1,000
    in a little over a decade. When you consider that CES has dozens of
    partner organizations and affiliates working within various school
    districts across the country, the number of radical schools in America
    is actually much greater than 1,000 and almost impossible to count.

    Although financial backing is crucial to the survival of a movement like
    OWS (especially since the majority of participants are unemployed),
    the movement would not exist without the many years of groundwork.
    After all, to quote William Ayers, “education is the motor-force of
    revolution” and “Teaching . . . urges revolutions large and small”.]

    rEVILutions

    bit more here, in connecting links & threads..

    ==

  • Patty

    Many criminals are being released do to over crowding or Liberal judges seeing to it that time is “served”, this a joke, and then the worst part of this is emotional and radical backgrounds that are left unchecked and then you have this. 5 dead.

    Moreover, drunks walking the streets providing they are harming anyone stay on the streets, suspended drivers are on the streets.

    Yes, cops hands are tied but the military discharge (dishonorable) worries me. And the repeat offenders who plea bargain and reduced sentences and are detrimental to the public after their release.

  • robotech master

    #30 May 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    William commented:

    “So they shouldn’t point out the fact that he was once a prominent figure in arizona’s republican party? Because it is the truth..”

    Key word there is WAS… of course it should be more important what his RECENT(another key word) actions were… which was he was a leftwing nutbag democrat.

    #32 May 3, 2012 at 1:18 pm
    Not Likely commented:

    “The man was not a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination.”

    Last I checked he was a text book democrat… neo-nazis, kkk, etc are all democrat/socialist groups.

  • Patty

    are NOT harming.

    Correction

  • As much as I want him to have the OWS label the connection seems a whole lot more tenuous than his association with the right .

  • David

    Oh yeah this guy was liberal democrat oh sure. LOL you people take it for granted that everyone is as stupid and gullible as Fox news viewers.

  • Patty

    He killed himself but took out a few before he did. I believe that our justice system pays for a defense attorney who gets big money for defending in too many cases the scum of the earth.

    I would love to see the attorney’s look on his face after his client did this.

  • Not Likely

    “Key word there is WAS… of course it should be more important what his RECENT(another key word) actions were… which was he was a leftwing nutbag democrat”

    Liar. Sick, bankrupt liar.

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  • coolidgerules

    Isn’t this old Sheriff Dipstick’s territory? Let’s see what the subverting sheriff has to say about this.

  • Sometimes a sicko is just a sicko.
    World’s probably better off without him.
    Shame about the innocent lives lost — especially the toddler.
    Prayers for the souls of the victims, and the comfort of their loving survivors.

  • This is even more ridiculous than your usual crap. Ready was a member of the Young Republicans and spoke at Tea Party rallies. The Occupy Phoenix people didn’t want to have anything to do with him. They even asked him to leave.

    Usually, I can write off your posts as just examples of your bottomless stupidity. This time I can’t be as charitable. You are a liar, Jim Hoft. And you suck at it.

  • Patty

    #39

    David,

    Many people are neither party, they don’t even vote. They are mentally disturbed with an political agenda, neither Republican or Democrat. They are Radicals hellbent on brainwashing other to their beliefs.

    Somewhat like Sal Alinsky and his followers are well known, Obama for one.

    Jared Loughner’s hate came before the Tea Party as was Ready’s, I personally don’t care what the politics are for the criminally insane. And I do pray for the families of those he killed for his radicalism and insane views.

  • Texas_Treeroach

    Adolf Hitler used to sketch, and paint in watercolors. But he stopped doing that. There are volumes written about the people and events that made him stop doing that.

    Is this guy any different?

    The media will paste labels on Ready to further their own agenda. But the big question is: Could anything have been done along the way to alter his path?

    If parents don’t start taking a hard look at themselves and the schools they send their kids to, this story will eventually be played out more times than we can imagine.

    Remaining disengaged is likely no longer an option.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Hopefully Mr. Johnson will be honest enough to post an update with corrections.

    Do yourself a favor and don’t hold your breath.

  • Patty
  • toaster pastry

    This drivel scheduled for a good spanking via Sadly, No! & World-O-Crap in t-minus 10…9…8…

    Despite what Jonah Goldberg told you, American White Supremacy has it’s roots in the American right. It’s not 1968 anymore, the Dixiecrats all joined the GOP when they decided to exploit the “Southern Strategy”. Not only that, JT Ready has always professed extreme right wing political positions. Always. It takes a special kind of stupid to pretend he was a Democrat. LOL.

  • Patty
  • Patty

    Van Jones, Nazi Czar, Obama pick.

  • Hey Charley Johnson, we know you’ve been over here reading, since Jim posted this, as you updated your post. Hoft, is correct, Ready was no right winger. Ready’s participation in the National Socialist Movement became public in 2007, and is well documented… Look it up!

  • Patty

    Video: Allen West to Obama, Pelosi, Reid & DNC Debbie:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb4RF1pIpFU

  • robotech master

    #41 May 3, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Not Likely commented:

    “Liar. Sick, bankrupt liar.”

    When facts and sanity don’t line up with your agenda and propaganda all you got left is name calling.

    #50 May 3, 2012 at 1:39 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    “American White Supremacy has it’s roots in the American right.”

    Ummm no not even close white supremacy as with all racism is a collectivist ideology… ALL collectivist ideologies are LEFT WING.

    “Dixiecrats all joined the GOP when they decided to exploit the “Southern Strategy”.”

    Yeah… “all” is in very few. Plus lefts not forgot most left the democrat party citing that the democrast were to extreme in their racist politics for sad racist “dixiecrats”. When racists say your party is TOO racist for even them… citing them leaving isn’t much of a defense of the party they are leaving.

    “It takes a special kind of stupid to pretend he wasN’T a Democrat. LOL.”

    Fixed that for you

  • Patty

    Pelosi said the town hall attendees were Nazis”; adds, “The White House is gathering an enemies list”

    In other words when those call others Nazis, they themselves are the true radicals of an Ideologue of hate and radicalism, themselves.

  • bg

    ++

    Hitler, The Mufti Of Jerusalem And Modern Islamo Nazism

    [This news report from Bayerischer Rundfunk explains in detail the
    cooperation between the Nazis and the Muslim Arab leaders during
    WW2.

    It goes on to explain how high ranking heads of the SS fled to the Arab
    world and carried on their activities under the protection of leaders such
    as President Nasser and how modern Islam has adopted a Nazi style
    ideology of hate and conspiracy against the Jews.

    Thanks to the Editrix (www.editrixoffice.com) for providing the translation
    and revealing this ray of light in the darkness of vitriolic reporting about
    Israel in the German media.]

    Naziism is Socialism+

    By Friedrich August von Hayek-
    Published in the spring of 1933

    [It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder, one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists.

    But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic-individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “basis of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.]

    ==

  • toaster pastry

    When Valley Neo-Nazi J.T. Ready Converted to Mormonism, Guess Which Prominent Politico Ordained Him an “Elder”
    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2010-12-16/news/webline/

    Portrait of a Baptism: J.T. Ready is center, front row; ex-state Senator Karen Johnson clasps Ready’s arm, while state Senate President-elect Russell Pearce, top row, fourth from right, smiles for the camera.
    http://media.phoenixnewtimes.com/5753495.28.jpg

    Occupy Pheonix calling out JT Ready before his death.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QoA_NNfO9ec

    Multiple instances of JT Ready attending Tea Party rallies (You may not like the source, but they’ve sourced the material there from various news agencies)
    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201110270025

    Also a member of the Young Republicans while in college.

    Numerous associations with right wing orgs AND russel pierce.
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/

    You were saying?

  • regularguy

    As much as he cannot be tied to the Tea Party, I don’t think he was an occupier so much, either. I think he was just a nut and really didn’t fit into any category. More or a publicity hound than anything.

  • Angel

    Just got off the road, from what I heard on the radio it was a “rightwinger” boarder patrol guy.

    Heh, see if I had not check here, I would have believed it

    Thanks GP

  • GoldGeneral

    Wait, didnt I see a headline on Drudge about Little green Footballs?

    “15 years after mass suicide, ‘ Little green Football’ website still active…”

  • toaster pastry

    regularguy: That’s fair enough. Even though Russel Pearce and Joe Arpio both loved the guy. Both GOP. And a member of the Young Republicans. Still, despite those associations, I can over look that.

    What I can’t overlook is Hoft’s case for him being part of Occupy – he was clearly an agitator.
    And some of the commenters here insist he’s a democrat, which is utter BS. Not a reality based position in the least.

    Hoft is being dishonest, and his little video at best makes the case that he was sympathetic with some of Occupies amorphous positions, but even that is slim pickings. It seems more like he was an agitator. Occupy Phoenix didn’t want him there. That much is fairly clear.

    Hoft knows he’s being dishonest. Frankly I think some of the people who comment here are just too dumb to know better.

  • #53

    And we all know that national socialist movement means left-wing… even though everything the man ever advocated is at a polar opposite to democratic politics in this day and age. His white supremacist politics run 100% contrary to the actions of the democrat party. You intentionally ignore history and the fact that the Dixiecrats left the party during the civil rights movement. History doesn’t seem to bother Jim Hoft or many of the dim witted commenters on here. Of course you will try to say the KKK is democrat and then in the next breadth that its the party of the New Black Panthers. The problem here, is once you add up all of the deranged claims and accusations that left-wingers are racist, it’s obvious that your just reaching for some way of casting blame on your political opponents because this BS just doesn’t add up. Seriously, your contradicting yourselves weekly if not daily.

  • robotech master

    #58 May 3, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    1st/2nd link the story clearly states

    “According to LDS spokeswoman Kim Farah, the person being ordained gets to choose who will ordain him.”

    So meaningless.

    3nd link so called occupy calling him out… thats a post occupy whine and much of the whining is BS. He whines about how hes not sleeping at the camp or doing a bunch of other BS… which 90% of the occupiers didn’t do themselves. Their is no video footage of him being turned away from occupy or anything but this one guy whining about it… of which his whine would apply to a huge majority of the occupy movement…

    If this video is somehow proof of him not being part of occupy then it would also be proof that about 90% of the people counted to be part of the occupy protests… WERE NOT PART OF THE PROTESTS. That means the occupy movement was and still is about 1,000 people scattered across the US…

    As to the media matter links… lol the self pwnage is great… did you read anything other then the media matters propaganda piece? Did you check the sources they cite and read them? Clearly not as they well DOCUMENT Ready’s transition from a somewhat center people into a hard core leftwing democrat.

    The 4th link is kind of meaningless other then the author is clearly retarded and doesn’t understand that hitler, nazi, etc are leftwing.

  • Dylan

    #50 – and despite what Blohard Morgan told YOU, being cool is not a requirement to become President. Just sayin……..

  • Not Likely

    “The 4th link is kind of meaningless other then the author is clearly retarded and doesn’t understand that hitler, nazi, etc are leftwing.”

    Congratulations, you’re the dumbest person on the internet.

  • toaster pastry

    robotech. Dismiss all you want. I’ve seen nothing from you to substantiate your drivel.

    Put up or sit down

  • Ran as a DEMOCRAT for sheriff after being ‘shunned by the Republicans’… For good reason; sensible people got the heck away from this guy and the left-wing nutcases welcomed him with open arms. Looks like the Right had him pegged as trouble long ago, but the Left had no clue.

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  • Not Likely

    “Ran as a DEMOCRAT for sheriff after being ‘shunned by the Republicans’… For good reason; sensible people got the heck away from this guy and the left-wing nutcases welcomed him with open arms.”

    He didn’t run as a Democrat. He announced he might. The Arizona Democratic party has no ability to stop a man from saying things.

    He’s was a neo-Nazi. He was a close friend of Stearns and Arpaio. He was a Republican councilman. Accept it.

  • owl

    If it came from AP and Yahoo news, it’s all about establishing their political facts.

    Vigilante………….former Marine………….neo-Nazi………….Minutemen……………..horrific.

  • Not Likely

    “Vigilante………….former Marine………….neo-Nazi………….Minutemen……………..horrific.”

    All facts.

  • Charles “nanoscopic” Johnson

    Correction? Hah! I’ll just send my minions here to post racist stuff. I already have a new post ready to expose your racism once they’re done posting here!

  • Not Likely

    “I’ll just send my minions here to post racist stuff.”

    Point it out clown.

  • Rob Crawford

    Congratulations, you’re the dumbest person on the internet.

    The “National Socialist Worker’s Party” was not left-wing?

    Huh. Coulda fooled them.

  • bg

    ++

    toaster pastry #58 May 3, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    no matter how one twists the truth, the bottom line fact is JT Ready is
    no more a TEA Party member than Adolf Hitler was a Christian, period..

    [Some people and organizations with more than a tax reform agenda are hoping to exploit the tax protesters’ anger and win them over to their causes. At the white supremacist website, Stormfront, for example, people have posted comments urging their fellow racists to attend tea parties and try to recruit new members to their cause.

    “Don’t go there [Tea Parties] with flags and uniforms, and don’t try to preach the truth,” advised one Stormfront writer. “Go in civil, meet people with whom we might do things later, and try to get into the organising [sic] circles.” Another writer said in response that white supremacists shouldn’t “fail to push to envelope” but cautioned them to “dress inconspicuously.”]

    CNN: White Supremacists Infiltrate Tea Party

    [This hour, an investigation into the Tea Party uncovers shocking
    allegations about white supremacists infiltrating the group. I’ll talk
    live with the editor of that publication.]

    the CNN video has gone poof, if anyone
    can find it, please post it, thank you..

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    re: #76 May 3, 2012 at 3:07 pm bg

    found one, of course a racist posted it.. gah!!

    CNN: White Supremacists Infiltrate Tea Party

    Runaway Slave : Andrew Breitbart

    re: Angela-Burt-Murray, what an ignorant
    biased racist woman
    , more here.. *sigh*

    ==

  • Once more so that even Democrats will be able to understand it.
    Nazis were/are not right-wing.
    “Nazi” is the abbreviation for “National Socialist.”
    Therefore, socialists are left-wingers, by definition.

  • #63 “His white supremacist politics run 100% contrary to the actions of the democrat party.”
    White Supremacist politics are beholding to the southern Democrat… AKA: Klan. Pick up a history book and learn something for once.
    Nice spin, but it fell flat.

  • robotech master

    #67 May 3, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    lol that the best counter you got? I completely trashed your whole argument… you got nothing left but poor insults.

  • bg
  • Not Likely

    “The “National Socialist Worker’s Party” was not left-wing?”

    No. It wasn’t. If you knew anything about history you would realize how dumb your confusion is.

  • Freedomplow

    Chuck silent in the occupy bridge 5…

  • Not Likely

    “White Supremacist politics are beholding to the southern Democrat… AKA: Klan. Pick up a history book and learn something for once.”

    You pick up a history book and read about the 1960s political realignment. Do a search for “Southern strategy.” You people are so ignorant of Americna history and so proud of it. It’s pathetic.

  • Winston Wolfe

    @ Not Likely

    It takes an amazing amount of stupid to claim this …

    In a move that surprised many people, Ready switched political parties and plans to run as a Democrat.

    …. doesn’t mean he’s a Democrat.

    He’s yours, bitch. Own it.

  • Stonedome

    Nazi = National Socialists, when are people going to learn?

  • Not Likely

    “Nazi = National Socialists, when are people going to learn?”

    The Nazis were fascists. Fascism is a far right political ideology. Children in middle school know this. Why don’t you?

  • bg

    ++

    Not Likely #84 May 3, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    re: history

    scroll entire thread.. and/or start here, click on links & connecting links
    & scroll those threads for even more, etc.. consider it a refresher course
    of one you obviously never took, namely “research”.. /s/

    ==

  • Winston Wolfe

    And some of the commenters here insist he’s a democrat, – toaster pastry

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact He. Switched. Parties. and was running for sheriff as …. wait for it … a DEMOCRAT.

    This is simple English. He admits it. We don’t need to insist it. It’s right effing there.

    You can’t possibly be this stupid. You just can’t be.

  • Babsy

    #62: I’ms too dumb to knows better. Jess don’t tell nobodies. K?

  • BlackBush

    Agreed. That is what is wrong with the liberals filing out of our fine institutions. History is no longer taught. KKK blood is on the hands of southern democrats who killed black along with white republicans who supported black freedom. The republicans freed the slaves dumbass.

  • Not Likely

    “In a move that surprised many people, Ready switched political parties and plans to run as a Democrat.

    …. doesn’t mean he’s a Democrat.”

    You are absolutely correct, just like having the word “Socialist” in the Nazi name didn’t make them Socialists. You’re learning! Saints be praised!

  • bg

    ++

    Not Likely #87 May 3, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    ==

  • Not Likely

    “scroll entire thread.. and/or start here, click on links & connecting links
    & scroll those threads for even more, etc.. consider it a refresher course
    of one you obviously never took, namely “research”.. /s/”

    None of your links change the fact that the Dixiecrats fled to the Republican party in the 60s. Again, search for “Southern strategy.” PLEASE learn something about the United States. You are making a fool of yourself.

  • toaster pastry

    So after years of flirting with various republican outfits including prominent republicans…
    “pallin around with Russel Pierce-R, Sheriff Joe, the Young Republicans”, etc.

    He decides very recently to try to run as a democrat after the republicans finally started distancing themselves. Curious that they did not realize he was a white supremacist.

    that makes him some kind of Democrat? because he checked a box on a form?

    Either you can name some SIMILARLY PROMINENT Democrats that were willingly associating with him for years, or you’re an idiot.

  • Sasja

    Not Likely.

    I suggest you educate yourself, chump.

  • Sasja

    Sorry, got hit by a virus and my link went kaput. Here it is for Not Likely.

    http://stacyswimp.net/2011/10/03/another-liberal-lie-exposed-the-myth-of-the-southern-strategy/

  • Not Likely

    “I suggest you educate yourself, chump.”

    Of course you do. You wouldn’t want get any book learnin’ on yourself.

  • bg

    ++

    Not Likely #92 May 3, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    party matters not, what counts are ones actions..

    bottom line:

    this is not about anything other than EXTREMISM, and on that level
    both ends are joined at the proverbial hip ala: Marxism & Islamism..

    hmmm, i though liberals were full of all that
    “gray stuff in between”, evidently not.. :roll:

    “one can lead a prog-dem-lib to knowledge; but
    one cannot force a prog-dem-lib to think” ~ bg

    ==

  • toaster pastry

    bg commented: Okay, so you disagree with Hoft. Noted. =)

  • toaster pastry

    correction. I meant

    bg: Okay, so you disagree with Hoft. Noted. =)

  • Not Likely

    “For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”

    – Michael Steele, Chairman of the RNC.

  • toaster pastry

    Or you can just quote Lee Atwater, but OTOH this whole line of discussion is creeping outside the topic of JT Ready’s affiliations.

  • bg

    ++

    toaster pastry #101 May 3, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    talk is cheap, show me..

    ==

  • #87 “Fascism is a far right political ideology”
    WRONG!
    Communism, Socialism, Fascism are all left on the political spectrum. They are also know as Oligarchies

  • bg

    ++

    Not Likely #102 May 3, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    HEY STUPID TRY DOING RESEARCH VS FLY BY TURD DROPPINGS

    ==

  • toaster pastry

    #80 May 3, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    robotech master commented: “durp”

    You didn’t source a single thing. You never actually engaged any of my arguments, or provided anything coherent to rebut anything. You dismissed everything. On top of that, you barely strung together a complete thought.

    #winning

    for sure man
    /pats robotech on head

  • Not Likely

    “Communism, Socialism, Fascism are all left on the political spectrum. They are also know as Oligarchies”

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism?s=t

    “Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing. ”

    You’re dumb. You’re proud of being dumb.

  • bg
  • Not Likely

    “HEY STUPID TRY DOING RESEARCH VS FLY BY TURD DROPPINGS”

    She’s talking about history. Nobody has or will reject the fact that pre-60s the Democrats harored racists.

    That CHANGED. History is full of things that CHANGE.

    You can either learn about the history of the United States or not. What you can’t do is change it.

  • valerie

    Occupier – Breitbart – another Occupier – police. A lot of people got caught being good. I just thought I’d mention it here, because this threat includes a lot of people “agreeing at the top of their lungs.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/03/Drum-Scum-Arrested

  • valerie

    I meant to type “thread”, not “threat.”

  • Not Likely

    “ergo, THE JOKES ON ALL OF US!! ”

    Nope, the joke is still on Dim Hoft trying to paint a neo-Nazi Republican councilman as an Occupy person.

  • bg

    ++

    Not Likely #110 May 3, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    RESEARCH

    The Myth of the Southern Strategy

    [The third aspect for establishing the Southern Strategy myth was laid with another falsehood; that all the former Dixiecrats had joined the Republican Party after Nixon allegedly used the used the Southern Strategy. The Dixiecrat Party was a third party that splintered from the Democrats because of their dissatisfaction with Harry Truman over the civil rights issue during the 1940s. The goal of the Dixiecrat Party was to continue segregation and white supremacy in the southern states. Senator Strom Thurmond left the Democrats and became their presidential nominee in 1948. After losing the election, Thurmond returned to the Democrat Party, but later switched to the Republicans in 1964. However, almost all the other former Dixiecrats remained in the Democrat Party until they either retired or died. Fulbright, Wallace, Gore and Byrd retired as Democrats.]

    ==

  • Not Likely

    “The Myth of the Southern Strategy”

    Lee Atwater admitted it. Michale Steele admitted it. This is established historical fact. No amount of wishing otherwise will change history.

  • toaster pastry

    You keep posting from Stacy M. Swimp’s site. This person is an unknown. Apparently a black man with a mustache, a suit, and some political aspirations or something, but a google search on his name is almost completely singularly sourced. He sounds like a self-promoter, I don’t know what his qualifications are, who he is, or anything about the guy. Not too many other people seem to either.

    Anyone can put up a website. Please cull your sources from one that isn’t so circular.

    And no, I’m not interested in his Amway presentation either /snark

  • bg

    ++

    Not Likely #113 May 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    OWS ———- in between ———- JT Ready

    they may be opposites, but they’re the samo samo by
    virtue of being at both ends of the radical spectrum..

    albeit OWS protesters have been beaten, raped and murdered in the
    name of their radical cause.. JT Ready murdered no one in the name
    of any cause..

    ==

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  • bg

    ++

    Not Likely #115 May 3, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    well, i guess their OPINIONS V FACTS settles that..

    yeah, right!!

    ROTF 😆 MBO!!

    ==

  • ‘Chuckles’ Johnson won’t be the only one who will have to make a retraction:

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/05/03/collateral-damage-2/

    follow me on twitter! @drawandstrike

    drawandstrike.blogspot.com

  • bg

    ++

    Not Likely #113 May 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    so what??

    i wasn’t disagreeing with of agreeing with Jim Hoft..

    as a matter of fact, i pay very little attention to
    anything Jim Hoft writes unless it’s in “quotes”..

    ==

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  • bg

    ++

    drawandstrike #120 May 3, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    careful, didn’t your mother ever tell you what was in Balloon Juice??

    well, it’s some sort of silly gas that can turn your brain into
    a laughing stock, oh wait, maybe that’s a stock of laughs..

    New Black Panther Party

    Holders People 🙁

    Al & Jesse’s too!!

    ==

  • Left wingers hate America,

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^and they kill babies

  • robotech master

    Wow
    Not Likely and toaster pastry can’t present jack all in facts or history or science but think they have an argument… o the left the indoctrination is well done.

  • bg

    ++

    toaster pastry #116 May 3, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    links & more @ link:

    [The Claremont Institute has published a much more
    comprehensive analysis of the fallacy of the Southern
    Strategy.
    ]

    [The Decline of Racism

    Timing may provide the greatest gap between the myth and the actual unfolding of events. Only in the 1980s did more white Southerners self-identify as Republicans than as Democrats, and only in the mid-1990s did Republicans win most Southern House seats and become competitive in most state legislatures. So if the GOP’s strength in the South only recently reached its zenith, and if its appeal were primarily racial in nature, then the white Southern electorate (or at least most of it) would have to be as racist as ever. But surely one of the most important events in Southern political history is the long-term decline of racism among whites. The fact that these (and many other) books suggest otherwise shows that the myth is ultimately based on a demonization not of the GOP but of Southerners, who are indeed assumed to have Confederate flags in their hearts if not on their pickups. This view lends The Rise of Southern Republicans a schizophrenic nature: it charts numerous changes in the South, but its organizing categories are predicated on the unsustainable assumption that racial views remain intact.

    What’s more, the trend away from confident beliefs in white supremacy may have begun earlier than we often think. David Chappell, a historian of religion, argues that during the height of the civil rights struggle, segregationists were denied the crucial prop of religious legitimacy. Large numbers of pastors of diverse denominations concluded that there was no Biblical foundation for either segregation or white superiority. Although many pastors remained segregationist anyway, the official shift was startling: “Before the Supreme Court’s [Brown v. Board] decision of 1954, the southern Presbyterians. . . and, shortly after the decision, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) overwhelmingly passed resolutions supporting desegregation and calling on all to comply with it peacefully. . . . By 1958 all SBC seminaries accepted black applicants.” With considerable understatement, Chappell notes that “people—even historians—are surprised to hear this.” Billy Graham, the most prominent Southern preacher, was openly integrationist.

    The point of all this is not to deny that Richard Nixon may have invited some nasty fellows into his political bed. The point is that the GOP finally became the region’s dominant party in the least racist phase of the South’s entire history, and it got that way by attracting most of its votes from the region’s growing and confident communities—not its declining and fearful ones. The myth’s shrillest proponents are as reluctant to admit this as they are to concede that most Republicans genuinely believe that a color-blind society lies down the road of individual choice and dynamic change, not down the road of state regulation and unequal treatment before the law. The truly tenacious prejudices here are the mythmakers’. ]

    porg-dem-libs and their lack of comprehension skills are klilling US.. *sigh*

    ==

  • Winston Wolfe

    A guy switches parties. Announces he’s running for office as a Democrat. Those are facts.

    See, if you Leftists weren’t constantly trying to turn every, single fugging incident of violence into some sort of political statement, we on the Right would be more willing to cut you some slack.

    The guy’s a nut. He killed people. Fortunately, he offed himself in the process.

    However, you’re the a-holes – like Think Progress – who are turning this into a partisan spitting match. So don’t blame us when he’s joined your team, and we’re beating you over the head with it.

    The days of letting you get away with crap like this are long gone.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #126 May 3, 2012 at 5:17 pm bg

    links & more @ link: link..

    porg = prog

    eh, big diff huh.. 😆

    ==

  • donh
  • Winston Wolfe

    Oh, and btw, while you’re running your mouths about Southern Strategy and some guy in Arizona, care to speak up about the five guys who tried to blow up a bridge?

    You know, all five who are Occupy Members?

    Huh? Got something to say about that Toasty and Likely?

    Or are they Republicans, too?

  • bg

    ++

    re: #123 May 3, 2012 at 5:04 pm bg

    re: drawandstrike #120 May 3, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    re: OOGA BOOGA BLOOGITY BLACK

    (albeit in jest or not, your descript, not mine)

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    re: drawandstrike #120 May 3, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    MY SINCERE APOLOGIES!!

    for attributing your post to Balloony Juice.. 😛

    ==

  • toaster pastry

    Winston: Maybe if you could source something instead of vaguely pointing in some general direction and essentially bleating “look!, over there”

    I’m waiting for you to name anybody with near the prominence of Russel Pearce, Joe Arpio, or the Young Republicans, on the liberal end of things who associated with JT Ready, much less for years.

    He ran for office as a Democrat. He did not receive any kind of aid from the Democratic party. He did not receive any campaign contributions from democrats. He was never invited to any Democratic event. He was the only person that considered himself a Democrat. And that was a recent switch after old Joe and Russel (finally) decided it was no good to be seen with the man.

  • robotech master

    #133 May 3, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    “And that was a recent switch after old Joe and Russel (finally) decided it was no good to be seen with the man.”

    Yeah they probably didn’t want to be seen with the increasingly leftwing nutter.

  • bg

    ++

    re; #132 May 3, 2012 at 5:42 pm bg

    and vise verse.. 🙂

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    toaster pastry #133 May 3, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    please, show me exactly what makes you believe this was a
    “political kill”, ergo, why that should matter to anyone else
    but you??

    thankyouverymuch..

    ==

  • Taqiyyotomist

    toaster:

    Did this guy, after he was outed by the Republican party and after they shunned him (like they should have), get any assistance from the Republican party?

    I mean, did they “circle the wagons”, so to speak?

    Nope. He may have had some extreme right-wing views regarding immigration, but he also had some extreme left-wing views (like National Socialism, for instance)… and, prior to today, nobody in the Democrat party — under whose banner he was running — seems to have similarly “shunned” him. Why would they? Robert Byrd and Al Gore Sr. were never shunned by the Democrats either.

    Some say the political spectrum is a circle, not a line — which is why you see neo-Nazis in bed with the Jew-hating Left-wing collectivists… They’re both on the bottom of the circle, where “centrist” would be at the top.

  • bg

    ++

    Winston Wolfe #130 May 3, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    good call..

    but i see the “who gives a crap” bait
    & switch retorts have already begun..

    ==

  • Not Likely

    “he also had some extreme left-wing views (like National Socialism, for instance)… ”

    Hey look, another idiot.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    The bottom of the “political spectrum circle” is where the far-left and the far-right in America meet and gladly hold hands.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    #139

    Yeah, I’m an idiot. One that doesn’t still believe everything I was “taught” by the communists in Junior High School regarding Communism, Socialism, Fascism, and National Socialism.

    The indoctrination “took” in you, it seems.

    Good dog.

  • bg

    ++

    Taqiyyotomist #137 May 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Taqiyyotomist #140 May 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    8)

    samo samo

    ==

  • Taqiyyotomist

    So, they all magically switched sides in the recent past!

    So, it must be the Republican party running the school systems in every single inner-city, keeping the former slaves as uneducated as possible.

    It must be the Republican party who, in line with Margaret Sanger’s dream, that supports Planned Parenthood’s abortion mills in the inner cities.

    It must be the Republican party controlling all the ghetto cities in the United States.

    Because they ALL MAGICALLY SWITCHED SIDES!

    Yeah, if I’m an idiot, I don’t want to be “smart” like you, Not Likely. You’re apparently so smart you don’t need eyes or reason.

  • bigL

    are these people from central casting…No one world believe an unscreened candidate for the Presidency, not dog-catcher-wouldd be voted in with Hussein in his name and lengthy time overseas in Muslim countries and have/create an army like these lo-end folks

  • Hard Right

    Let’s see, he CLAIMED to have the same views as the GOP and the usual left wing mental cases believe it since it reinforces their bigoted view of their “enemies”.
    The GOP booted him. The dems took him in with NO resistence.
    But he was a GOP’r. Riiiight.
    BTW, nazis were a type of socialist. You own them and JT douchebag. Deal with it.

  • Neck Beard
  • Neck Beard

    Sorry, I didn’t see that bg had already posted a link to this article.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    I mean, if they all magically switched “sides” and the Republicans are now the racists, wouldn’t it stand to reason that Republicans would be the ones supporting the very entitlement policies which are intentionally destroying the black family in America?

    Wouldn’t it be the Republicans supporting Black Genocide through Planned Parenthood?

    Wouldn’t it be the Republicans saying “Well, we can’t hold these black people to the same standards of behavior as we do other ethnicities — they can’t help their behavior, they’re black.”?

    Wouldn’t it be the Republicans coming up with non-teaching methods like “ebonics” because, you know, it would be CRUEL to try and teach black people to read and write the English language.

    Wouldn’t it be the Republicans condescending to blacks and reminding them every day of their “blackness”, and that they’re “different”, and must be reminded every day?

    Yeah, it would. If that magical switch ever happened in reality. It didn’t. The racist slaveowners of 1850 are the same party they ever were.

  • Not Likely

    “Yeah, I’m an idiot. One that doesn’t still believe everything I was “taught” by the communists in Junior High School regarding Communism, Socialism, Fascism, and National Socialism.”

    If you were taught you that Nazis were socialists you need to go slap your parents for letting the local crazy lady home-school you.

  • toaster pastry

    “please, show me exactly what makes you believe this was a
    “political kill”, ergo, why that should matter to anyone else
    but you?”

    Now you are attributing things I didn’t say to me?

    What the hell is wrong with you?

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Not Likely and toaster

    Go ahead and rebut anything in my 148 and 143.

    Your arguments regarding the Left-wing- or Right-wing-ness of Naziism were absolutely brilliant, I must admit. Masterful debate — I can hardly wait to be beaten down by your rhetorical skills regarding the Magical Switching of Sides.

  • toaster pastry

    “Did this guy, after he was outed by the Republican party and after they shunned him (like they should have), get any assistance from the Republican party?”

    So they just didn’t know?

    That’s hilarious

    It’s not like he’s ever appeared in public in Nazi drag before, or publicly spouted his racist white trash ideology at every opportunity. I knew who he was WELL before I knew who Russel Pearce was. At best that makes Pearce a moron of the highest caliber. At worst, it makes him a neo-nazi sympathizer. Same with Arpio.

    And of course he ran as a Democrat with “no resistance”? Do you think there’s some sort of secret handshake or guys with AK’s guarding from him declaring his candidacy? You can’t be for real.

    Show me any material support he ever received from the Democratic party.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Because you’re right. Just like Hitler and Naziism, TEA Partiers want the Government to control all aspects of society, all industry, all healthcare, all energy, and all thought.

    We’re Big Government types, that’s what we are. Just like Hitler.

    OMG. The stupid! IT BURNS!!!

  • robotech master

    #149 May 3, 2012 at 6:25 pm
    Not Likely commented:

    “If you were taught you that Nazis were socialists you need to go slap your parents for letting the local crazy lady home-school you.”

    Either your completely ignorant of science, history or both. Nazis were clearly and without a doubt socialists. If your trying to argue they weren’t “pure” socialist aka communist I could see your argument and you would have a valid point… if someone was claiming that nazis were communist.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    I never said this guy was a Left-winger, toaster.

    He’s a Loony-bin-winger — as far removed from “progressive” political philosophy (well, except for the Hitler thing) as he is from TEA Party political philosophy.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    The “purer” the “progressive” ideologies get — the more tens of millions of citizens of a polity get murdered by their state.

    Every time they get more efficient.

    Stalin doubled Hitler’s kill-count, in a bit more than half the time. Mao nearly doubled Stalin’s kill-count in half the time. 40 million Chinese “incorrect thinkers” killed for “FORWARD!”.

  • toaster pastry

    Hitler’s views on economics, beyond his early belief that the economy was of secondary importance, are a matter of debate. On the one hand, he proclaimed in one of his speeches that “we are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system”,[8] but he was clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism “has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism,” saying that “Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.”[9] At a later time, Hitler said: “Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether… What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism.”[10] In private, Hitler also said that “I absolutely insist on protecting private property… we must encourage private initiative”.[11] On yet another occasion he qualified that statement by saying that the government should have the power to regulate the use of private property for the good of the nation.[12]

    Adolf Hitler

  • Taqiyyotomist

    And every university in this nation has been trying to “purify” Mao’s communism for the last 40 years.

    In the 60’s, the students didn’t trust or believe anything their professors said.

    Now? Those students are the professors, and their students, by and large, believe EVERYTHING they say, and act accordingly.

  • robotech master

    #157 May 3, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    “Hitler’s views on economics, beyond his early belief that the economy was of secondary importance, are a matter of debate.”

    Hitler wasn’t the only nazi to exist and actions speak louder then words… hitler take the private property of millions of jews thats socialism… he nationalized companies, controlled companies by telling them what they could or could not buy, build, sell.

    Once again no one is saying hitler was a communist… NO ONE expect you. He believed in property rights until it didn’t suit his agenda then he took the property… which is socialist.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Hitler said, Hitler said, Hitler said, Hitler said….

    And then the reality of his government and it’s decidedly (if in America circa 2012) LEFT-WING governing style.

    And policing style.

    And racial attitudes.

    And vegetarianism, non-smoking, eugenics, and on, and on, and on.

    Big Government is Nazi. Nazi is Big Government.

    Which political group of people in the United States wants bigger, more controlling government? Which political group of people in the United States wants to suppress any and all speech which isn’t FAWNING PRAISE for the Government? (I mean, when it’s preferred party is in the majority of Congress, that is….)

    It ain’t the TEA Partiers who want Kieth Olbermann to be murdered and express this desire daily on the internet.

    It IS the “progressives” who daily express death-wishes for Limbaugh, Coulter, Bush, Cheney, and every single conservative to the right of Stalin.

    The Great Leap Forward II will be carried out by PROGRESSIVES.

    Just like the entire 20th century showed us.

  • toaster pastry

    I did not say hitler was a communist.

  • toaster pastry

    Taqiyyotomist, shouldn’t you be careful saying that? Obama may round you up in his fema camps right after he’s done taking away your guns.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Oh, and then there’s the Jew-hatred and blood-libels and conspiracies wherein the “progressives” find common ground with the Klan- and neo-Nazi types.

    Also, there’s the Personality Cult aspect — with building-sized posters of Der Fuhrer at their rallies.

    I’m sure the “progressives” will come up with some sort of gesture like the infamous “arm-salute”, and soon. Probably by November.

  • robotech master

    #161 May 3, 2012 at 6:46 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    “I did not say hitler was a communist.”

    No but your arguments are clearly arguing that he was. He was a socialist period. Unless your denying the holocaust and countless or actions that are socialist in nature aka the government owning and controlling the means of production…

    Just because hitler wasn’t a “pure” socialist and that he left people believe they owned private property doesn’t mean he wasn’t a socialist.

    His actions are clearly socialist period end of story unless once again your denying the holocaust and thus in turn arguing that hitler never seize property from the jews/etc.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    toaster, I have no guns.

    I have God.

    Obama can’t kill me. Only this body.

    Oh, there’s another similarity!

    Hatred for belief in God!

    Hitler in 1941:
    “National Socialism and religion cannot exist together…. The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity…. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.”

    Communist, National Socialist, “Progressive”…. SAME DAMN THING, ALL OF IT.

    Different shades of demon-possessed political philosophy, with too many similarities to list.

  • toaster pastry

    “No but your arguments are clearly arguing that he was.”

    Actually, no they do not.

    Not at all.

    Put up or shut up, because I never even implied what you are attributing to me.

    The closest I would say that Marx and Hitler had in common was they were both ideologically driven extremists. And both wrong.

  • Hard Right

    Toaster, I live in AZ. Do you?
    You knew who JT was before Pearce? Riiiiiight.
    All you’ve done with the neo-nazis are not of the right argument is say “nuh-uh” when proven wrong.
    He pretended to be a Conservative. When the lie was exposed he was tossed from the party. The dems? No such actions.
    JT was an OWS’r. Deal with it. You have no proof showing they rejected him.
    The dems didn’t campaign against JT when he ran for sheriff. Again, deal with it.
    You own him and the nazis, quit whining already.

  • Not Likely

    “hitler take the private property of millions of jews thats socialism”

    Idiot.

  • robotech master

    #166 May 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    “Put up or shut up, because I never even implied what you are attributing to me.”

    I have roundly defeated every argument you have posted… I can only defeat it roundly once. You have made no further argument at this time that I can respond to.

    “Pure” socialism is where the government owns and control the means of production.

    Do you counter this definition? If yes explain if no then

    Hitler clearly controlled and when he felt like it owned the means of production. This is only debate if your going to claim the holocaust didn’t happen. If you don’t believe the holocaust happened state so if not we move on.

    Since hitler didn’t completely own and control everything all the time he was not a “pure” socialist aka a communist. However since he did own a large amount of the means of production and controlled almost all of the means of production this clearly and scientifically means he was a socialist.

    Hitler’s brand of socialist was called nazism.

    End of story.

  • toaster pastry

    I’m Jewish (by ethnicity mother’s side), and I find myself in stark disagreement with much of Netanyahu’s policy. I’m a committed Keynesian, a civil libertarian in terms of social policy. (I am pro-life but firmly disagree with legislating it) and I’m an active member of my Christian faith community. I’m also a firm supporter of the 2nd amendment (as it is written) for the most part because I believe that stripping rights from the BoR is poor precedent. My wife is a Christian missionary, and a religious studies major. She helps SIL with translating the New Testament to indigenous languages spoken in parts of latin America.

    Think what you will. There are plenty of very committed liberal Christians out there. If I were you, I’d be more careful when painting progressives with your broad brush.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    #168, and most of its comments.

    That pretty much proves that argument and debate with this person is not possible.

  • toaster pastry

    robotech: You never substantiated your claim that I implied hitler was communist.

  • robotech master

    #168 May 3, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    Not Likely commented:

    “hitler take the private property of millions of jews thats socialism”

    “Idiot.”

    Also per standard a huge amount of science, logic and reasoning in your arguments.

  • Hard Right

    “I’m Jewish (by ethnicity mother’s side), and I find myself in stark disagreement with much of Netanyahu’s policy. I’m a committed Keynesian…”

    Reality and liberals…never to meet.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Worship of both Christ Jesus and the State at the same time is not possible, toaster.

  • robotech master

    #172 May 3, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    “robotech: You never substantiated your claim that I implied hitler was communist.”

    I give you

    #157 May 3, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    “Hitler’s views on economics, beyond his early belief that the economy was of secondary importance, are a matter of debate. ”

    That whole post is an attempt to try to paint hitler as not being a socialist because he wasn’t a communist.

    You can be a socialist without being a pure blood communist.

    The balls in your court still waiting on how hitler wasn’t a socialist when your own post

    #157 May 3, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    has many quotes of his pro-socialist agenda… and those are just words… not even his actions.

  • toaster pastry

    I don’t worship the state. I respect it. As per the book of romans

  • toaster pastry

    robotech: in THAT VERY SAME POST:
    but he was clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism “has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism,” saying that “Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.”[9]

    How do you square that with me saying Hitler was a communist?

    If anything, it was Jonah Goldberg who went much further in making that claim, with his book “Liberal Fascism”. I suggest you take it up with him.

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  • robotech master

    #178 May 3, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    lol I love the argument. I said you were trying to argue that because hitler wasn’t a communist he wasn’t socialist…

    My argument was that no one is claiming that hitler was a communist… which was your whole strawman argument.

    Try to keep up with the argument… also since your desperately trying to avoid the topic or counter any point I’ve posted because you can’t. However if you want to keep running down this road go for it.

  • toaster pastry

    robotech: damn man. don’t move the goal posts. I never called hitler a communist. not once. Didn’t imply it even.

    I posted statements where HE CLAIMED he was a socialist. In his own words he rebuked the Marxist ideal of it – which was borne out as close as it would ever be – in communism.

    FTR, I do not believe hitler was a socialist. His economy was a wartime one. Google the phrase “Total Warfare”. Any nation engaged in warfare will nationalize near everything in pursuit of total war, so based on the fact that Nazi germany existed perpetually in a state of total war, I find it dubious to attribute socialism to his economy.

    Both the Nazi ideology and the soviet communism were authoritarian undemocratic structures. That’s about as much as they shared in common in any traditional sense.

  • toaster pastry

    correction: where I said ” Any nation engaged in warfare will nationalize near everything”
    I intended to write: ” Any nation engaged in total warfare will nationalize near everything”

  • robotech master

    “His economy was a wartime one. Google the phrase “Total Warfare”.”

    bahaha how about google hitlers economic plan which he had setup long before his “wartime” economy.

    Next your being claiming stalin was always in a wartime economy because of the cold war… what a joke.

  • toaster pastry

    So hitler rises to lead germany in 1933. In a meeting with his leading generals and admirals on 3 February 1933 Hitler spoke of “conquest of Lebensraum in the East and its ruthless Germanisation” as his ultimate foreign policy objectives.

    You’re saying he had an economic plan in place before this? Linky plz?

  • robotech master

    #184 May 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    Yup so your saying stalin, mao and every other communist socialist weren’t communist socialists because they were at war.

    Another sad point is a wartime econ is meaningless or then its happening during a time of war… SOCIALIST IS STILL SOCIALIST and its definition unless your arguing different is still

    :where the government owns and controls the means of production”.

    If you want to claim that every country become more socialist during wartime thats a perfectly fine argument and I completely agree for the most part… however at no point does that argument prove, show or do anything into the argument that hitler was a socialist… NATIONALIZE IS SOCIALIST be it wartime or not.

  • toaster pastry

    “Yup so your saying stalin, mao and every other communist socialist weren’t communist socialists because they were at war.”

    No I’m not.

    And Total War is not the same thing as War. It’s a specific concept with a fairly precise meaning.

    You’re a crazy person, and a waste of time.

  • toaster pastry

    The phrase can be traced back to the 1936 publication of General Ludendorff’s World War I memoir Der Totale Krieg (“The Total War”). The concept is extended by some authors back as far as Clausewitz’s classic work On War as “absoluter Krieg” (however, the relevant passages have been interpreted in diverging ways by different authors[2]), and to the French “guerre à outrance” during the Franco-Prussian War.[3][4][5]
    USAF General Curtis LeMay updated the concept for the nuclear age. In 1949, he was first to propose that a total war in the nuclear age would consist of delivering the entire nuclear arsenal in a single overwhelming blow, going as far as “killing a nation”.[6]
    [edit]

  • robotech master

    #186 May 3, 2012 at 7:32 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    lol you can’t even debate your own point and now your claiming that germany was in total war in 1933…

    Once again any argument you use to claim hitler was socialist I can use to claim that stalin and mao weren’t socialist.

    YOU HAVE NOTHING and you know it and you got to tuck your tail between your legs and run.

  • bg

    ++

    toaster pastry #182 May 3, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    uhm, war?? /s/

    ==

  • toaster pastry

    war!= Total War.

    Our country has not been engaged in total war since World War II.

  • robotech master

    #190 May 3, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    I somewhat argee with that… of course our country was pretty damn socialist back in WW2…

    No matter how you cut the argument “total war econ” is socialist in nature… so by your own argument hitler was a socialist.

  • bg

    ++

    toaster pastry

    what’s in a name, when all
    the results are the same??

    What made this secular religion so utterly lethal was its seizure of all the state’s
    instrument of force and coercion and their immediate use to destroy or control
    all independent sources of power, such as the church, the professions, private
    businesses, schools, and, of course, the family.

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    toaster pastry #190 May 3, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    is that like being a little bit pregnant?? /s/

    oh btw, Al Qaeda et al are stil waging the Holy War they declared
    against US/West back in 1996
    .. same year Obama won his Illinois
    New Party position, lots of coinkydinks when it comes to dates and
    Obama’s “secreted background”.. bottom line is: the jokes on US no
    matter who’s side one is on.. 🙁

    Dr. Jasser discusses the implications upon our foreign policy of the
    exploitation of Bin Laden’s death for political purposes rather than
    for unifying the US and laying out a strategy against radical Islamism.

    ==

  • Lord Sandwich

    Not Likely –

    If the Dixiecrats “fled to the Republican Party” then how come all the states stayed Democrat until 2010-11.

    x million Dixies go to Repubs the vote Democrat for State ? Illogical.

    Several states voted Republican for Federal elections because they were given more security in federal elections but were still scared to vote in state is my guess.

  • bg

    ++

    toaster pastry

    enjoy!!

    oh yeah, can you point out the not
    total war vs war wars for me?? /s/

    ==

  • TiminPhx

    The connections drawn are always one-way. That’s what I object to. For every nutjob like this, who may have had connections to the Right, I can show you a Unibomber, a Lee Harvey Oswald, etc. who was connected to the Left.

    The only difference is when Tim McVeigh is mentioned, it’s always with the preface of him being far-right. You of course NEVER read that about Oswald, a devoted Leftist.

    That’s just evolved now, to where you have to prove after days the actual leanings, if they can be attributed to a nutjob, because they are going to paint them initially as from the Right.

    They did it of course with the Tucson shooter. Where he was mainly a Loon, he did have some political links. They were to the Left. Of course that came out, mainly by Right Wing sources, after the damage (intentional) had been done by the Leftist press.

  • robotech master

    #196 May 3, 2012 at 8:03 pm
    TiminPhx commented:

    Yup and you also got to love how its always about Tim McVeigh because they got nothing else… but yet lestist bomb stuff almost weekly. The eco-terrorist alone burn whole neighborhoods down and its just passed off as nothing.

    Leftist account for nearly 99%+ of all terror attacks across the US yet you’d think the way the news reported it it was all right wingers doing it.

    Its also another irony with Tim McVeigh is that in a court of law they found the FBI was tampering with evidence… proven in a count of law. Videos of the attacks that should have existed disappeared. Arabs spotted checking the place out.

    Yet for all the 9/11 truther out there theirs none on the left that believe with the huge amount of questionable evidence that maybe it may have been a government coverup… but yet with all the evidence upon evidence for 9/11 was arab terrorist it “was a coverup by bush”.

    Politics maybe?

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  • Taqiyyotomist

    Toaster:

    Why are you using Hitler’s words regarding Marxism?

    Hitler was a politician. Marxist Russia was a national enemy at the time. He was saying whatever needed to be said to the people he was speaking to, AT THE TIME.

    His actions, and the actions of his Nazi party matter more than his words.

    I would add, his actions regarding socialism, rather than his words…. make him UBER-socialist.

    He said he was a Christian when he thought he needed the Christan vote (which he did need). Hey, a politician!

    Nevermind that he also said, at another point in his career (1931) that Christianity was the worst thing the Jews ever foisted upon humanity. Nevermind that he murdered millions of people including Jews, Catholics, Christians, gays, people with glasses (they’re THINKERS you know — and that’s dangerous…).

    His was the same Communist/Fascist/Statist/Socialist/Pagan (oh, yeah, he wanted to return Germany to Odinism) EVIL-SALAD that we saw in 1958-1961 in China, and the same twisted amalgam that we see today in the “progressive” (FORWARD.) movement that is doing the same damn things here in America.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Toaster:

    You’re a crazy person, and a waste of time.

    See, you had to go there.

    I would think that people who engage in actual debate to the best of their abilities (and inclinations, I suppose) would not be seen by you as crazy.

    I mean, commenter Not Likely could be considered a crazy person not worth the time, but someone who can put together sentences and wishes to engage with thoughts and not just insults? Not crazy.

    AND YET ANOTHER similarity with Der Reich. People who disagree and cannot be immediately persuaded are MENTALLY ILL! And they need treatment — preferably forced treatment. Barring that, at least ignore and have nothing to do with them.

  • robotech master

    #199 May 3, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    Taqiyyotomist commented:

    What hitler lied to get votes and to look more moderate…? Impossible next you’ll be claiming obama did the same.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #126 May 3, 2012 at 5:17 pm bg

    the following is via the Liberals “etched in stone” Bible Paper..

    The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’

    [Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics. From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members — and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a “Southern strategy” that championed “states’ rights.”

    It’s an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book “The End of Southern Exceptionalism,” Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth.]

    i call it rewriting history.. Dems, Islamists, Obama and Gobbles
    being the champions thereof, but hey, what do i know.. /sarc/

    much closer to the truth:

    [Racial hatred does not arise spontaneously. It is cultivated by political leaders seeking to use it for their own purposes. The divorce of white Southerners from the political leaders who kept them dependent on Democrats to continue segregation has changed an ugly socio-political dynamic dating back to the foundations of the United States. This does not mean that racism has been eliminated-far from it. But Bobby Jindal’s election is the latest evidence of the transformation — in a single generation — of what had been the voting block of reaction and racism through all preceding American history. The Republican southern strategy has produced one of the greatest victories ever won for the cause of civil rights in America.]

    Amen..

    Reconstruction

    The Truth May Inconvenience Our Perceptions

    scroll thread for much more info, or not likely.. 😆

    ==

  • Taqiyyotomist

    bg

    …the champions thereof…

    Indeed. Who knew that screencap utilities would be required tools for conservatives and other anti-communists? History erasure and rewriting is,

    ….this is a theme!

    YET ANOTHER SIMILARITY.

  • bg

    ++

    Taqiyyotomist #199 May 3, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    this was Hitler’s best line, and he didn’t even say it..

    ==

  • Taqiyyotomist

    #202 bg

    As usual, EXCELLENT LINKS.

    Toaster: you should read them.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    I’m gonna go try for some headshots in Borderlands, now.

    Wake up, Toaster. And a good night to you.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    {{bg}}

    You as well.

  • Chuck who?

  • Or perhaps chuck Chuck.

  • Patty

    Jefferson (11-time FELON-New Orleans) ordered to report to federal prison in Beaumont, Texas

    Jefferson ordered to report to federal prison in Beaumont, Texas

    http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/05/post_457.html

    You would have thought this Nazi could have been in prison but no one pay attention to the scumbag’s record.

  • Patty

    OT

    Open For Business! Zimmerman Can Now Accept Donations For Defense Fund (DETAILS)

    Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-legal-defense-fund-now-open-details#ixzz1trWQgjHQ

  • bg

    ++

    Hard Right #174 May 3, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    you can say that again..

    [Leftists at their best are a curious lot, but those frothing and blathering
    while trying their best to defend Obama are…well…they’re just a sad lot.
    Their leader is threatened with exposure on all sides, and they are unable
    to handle it. Through the use of name calling they are trying to deny that
    which is glaringly obvious and is gaining a crescendoing resonance in the
    public square, i.e., Obama is a Marxist-Leninist. They might not like my
    saying it, and the media as a whole may not be honest enough to admit
    it–but that’s what he is, and more important, the Americanpeople are
    reaching that conclusion.

    The depth of denial the supporters of Obama exhibit is astounding.
    Them defending their ideological delusion is tantamount to them
    trying to convince a sane person the sky is chartreuse or that
    there really is a man in the moon.

    We do not have to make up things about this
    person, it’s all there for us to read and listen to.
    ]

    ==

  • robotech master

    #212 May 3, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    bg commented:

    It is the fundamental problem with leftwingers… they simply can not think outside of their indoctrination. Toaster pastry is just a classic text book case of this. No matter how clear cut it is he simply can’t deal with reality. Its like trying to get a computer to divide by 0… the computer just freaks out and starts spitting out anything and everything but never the answer or the reason for the answer/lack of answer.

    Collectivist have always been shown through history and science to be very closed minded and can’t argue their points at all through logic or reasoning.

    The fastest way to make a leftist look retarded is simply to ask him to explain what he believe in… in detail. They simply can’t because it is filled with easily spotted contradictions. When these contradictions are asked about it results in the divide by zero event.

  • Dee321

    Ready is a long time Republican Tea Partier. Everyone in Arizona knows this.
    He is a good friend of Russell Pearce. He and Pearce ran many Tea Party and Minutemen rallies together. Both are extremely Anti Immigrant.
    Ready and his Neo Nazi buddies ran the Border Watchers. Many in AZ say he killed many Border Crossers that were found dead/murdered in the desert.
    Ready was a White Supremist and hated minorities.
    He was NOT a Democrat. He tried to run for sheriff in Pinal County as a Republican but there were already two people running after Republican Sheriff Babeu was outed with his Gay Lover.
    He SAID he was running as a Democrat because that was the only candidacy slot open.
    He murdered a family including a 1 year old baby girl because they were trying to kick him out.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    #214 dee

    Thank you for proving #213 robotech master right.

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  • CommieJuice

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL CHRISTIAN. That’s almost like labeling yourself a Nazi Orthodox Jew. Either you are for Christ or you aren’t! There is no gray line where the libs dwell. The liberals don’t have a single true Christian issue. They are the antithesis of Christ, true love and compassion! The liberal replaced God with big government a long time ago. The bible speaks of liberal havens called Sodom and Gomorrah. Most of us know how that turned out.

  • bg

    ++

    Dee321 #214 May 3, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    bulls_hit_

    btw, he was also a Marine, guess they all suck huh?? /s/

    and a bit more of much more flashback re: Minutemen

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    CommieJuice #217 May 3, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    Amen..

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    Taqiyyotomist #215 May 3, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    damn zero factor.. 😀

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    robotech master #213 May 3, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    again, damn ZERO factor.. 😀

    ==

  • rufkm

    good lord, you’re so full of sht I can smell you here in Phoenix.

    Everyone here knew that JT Ready was a pal of Russell Pearce, the anti-immigrant Republican legislator who lost a recall election last year. Ready was a right-winger. A far right-winger, even too far to the right for the already nearly-falling-off-the-edge-of-the-Earth Arizona GOP.

    Ready patrolled the Arizona-Mexico border with fellow vigilantes in their own makeshift militia. Pretty sure you won’t find any Occupy protesters doing *that*.

    Ready loved to protest with the rest of the anti-immigrant crowd. Pretty sure that’s not a lefty cause.

    Ready was a neo-Nazi. A GOP precinct committeeman. He regularly showed up at functions frequented by Republicans.

    Maybe you’re proposing that he secretly lived his entire life as a liberal agent provocateur? That is the only way your hypothesis begins to make anything like a lick of sense.

    As someone who’s marched with a lot of liberals around here to protest the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, GW Bush, McCain and in favor of gay marriage… let me tell you that not once did we ever see Ready come to march with us America-hating, flag-burning, patchouli-soaked dirty fking hippies. If he had, we would have asked his big, fat ass to leave immediately.

    Nope, he’s one of yours. You owned him.

    See a proctologist soon about your cranial-rectal inversion.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Huh. Coulda fooled them.

    Well, it did fool the person making the silly claim…

  • bg

    ++

    rufkm #222 May 3, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    albeit he signed out whilst on the Dem Ticket so to speak,
    no one “owns” anyone, besides, you too missed the memo:

    Note: This was a personal meltdown over a woman (a la Curt
    Maynard) that has nothing to do with his politics. The victims
    were his own family.

    there you go, and so much for adjectives..

    but hey, i understand, that’s about all you got..

    ==

  • Bubba

    Oh my lord, I just can’t keep away from this website and its comment threads. You people really are a hoot (esp. nutjob bg). Please keep this up b/c it is so freaking entertaining. Gotta get some friends of mine to come check out the primo online freaks on this site…

  • bg

    ++

    ps re: #224 May 3, 2012 at 11:45 pm bg

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    Bubba #225 May 3, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Bring It!!

    ==

  • Walknot

    Toaster is most likely gone now after that beating however if she is still lurking, this is for you toaster.
    http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4401913?uid=3739728&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=47698967035237

  • bg

    ++

    Walknot #228 May 4, 2012 at 12:03 am

    In examining Keynes, it would be impossible to overemphasise the significance of the ‘totalitarian connection’. Indeed, Hitler had already found how to cure unemployment before Keynes finished explaining why it occurred. It was a joke in Germany that Hitler was planning to give employment in straightening the Crooked Lake, painting the Black Forest white and putting down linoleum in the Polish corridor. With the passage of time, political and cultural fallout of the Keynes-Hitler sodality has tended only to become more sinister, not less.

    thank you..

    bit more of much more here..

    ==

  • gdgfdg

    Obama failed to keep American safe.

  • gdgfdg

    Obama failed to keep Americans safe.

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  • mark81150

    Charles Johnson,.. still smearing conservatives huh.. so we have a nutjob, who was a hangers on at republcan events… moving over to the hardcore left’s events,.. before going on a murder suicide spree..

    and that screaming leftwing hack Johnson try’s once again, to bully conservatives into silence.

    Much like when he sent one of his loyal moderators over to post racist comments on Hotair in the middle of the night, then post screen caps of the racist rants before they were removed in the morning and the commenter banned, on his website to PROVE ALL conservatives are racists..

    They got caught doing it..

    and the left keeps on doing similar stuff.. they post all of this nuts ancient history, and ignore his newer antics of hanging out at occupy events..

    doesn’t make them look good, so they lie by omission again..

    a nutjob is a nutjob, and like the Tuscan shooting, the left jumps to condem millions of Americans.. because a nut tries to hang out at their events.. while letting themselves very conveniently off the hook when he hangs out at their favored shows and events.

    Here’s a hint lefties..

    print his ENTIRE history.. including his turns at occupy events.. or just admit, you don’t care what his politics are, you just want to smear, to bully to slander.. because when you leave out his more recent antics, to cover your own ass.. it’s pretty clear you’re simply propagandizing, and shamelessly doing it while lying about everyone else..

    The first rule of an internet liar.. when they say “everybody knows” at the lead to a sentence.. what follows is sheer Bullsh*t. A trick leftist love to use..

    and Johnson’s a hyper partisan freak with zero integrity, and an even smaller conscience.

  • Phoenician

    Don’t forget he was running as a DEMOCRAT for Pinal County Sheriff and Russell Pearce had denounced him.

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  • YourMaster

    the real story for the reasons why
    Jason Todd “J.T.” Ready killed 3 people and himself
    is that the mother and grandmother must of stumbled upon JT’s occupy gay porn stash
    with 0bama having gay sex with arabs, communists, and karl marx.
    which JT Ready masturbated too each night along with harry reid, Che, hitler and Osama bin laden .

    and so he had to kill those people to keep his and 0bama’s dark secret safe. *lol*

  • mg4us
  • heraldo primavera

    without google to supply the links this thread wouldn’t have gotten ten comments. doesn’t anyone express their own two cents worth without first posting a link?
    And you wonder how obama was elected?

  • Nazis are and will ever be Right-Wingers. They described themselves while in power as right-wingers, their contempories described them as Politically Right.

    JT Ready is just another crazy white right-wing domestic terrorist. But, well played to try and claim he is a Democrat.

    When Obama wins in 2012 please use all your bullets on yourself and suck-start a 9mm just like Ted Nugent is planning on doing!

  • Mike O’Malley

    National Socialism for which the common short form is Nazism. In German it is: Nationalsozialismus. Nazism combined German völkisch nationalism with anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric and ideology. Much of that is right up OWS’s alley! What primarily separated the Nazis from internationalist versions of Socialism was German völkisch nationalism, thereby placing them to the right of the even more extreme uber-left-wing Bolsheviks.

    Otherwise:
    Nazi:
    Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei:

    National Socialist German Workers’ Party
    … Socialist … Workers’ …

    See! It is really easy, isn’t it?

    ,

  • For all the ignorant right-wingers who are attempting a parsing word game that Nazi=Socialist = Lefty.

    The football team in Chicago is the Bears by “conservative logic” that team is therefore comprised of Grizzlies!

    Ready was a Tea Party Patriot and a Border Guard he’s a domestic terrorist and a Conservative Extremist. But those are synonymous…

  • Mike O’Malley

    Nazi:
    Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei:

    National Socialist German Workers’ Party
    … Socialist … Workers’ …

    See Gene! It really is easy. Even an honest liberal can understand!

    And don’t forget:
    Nazism combined German völkisch nationalism with anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric and ideology. Much of that is right up OWS’s alley!

    … along with the violence it seems …

  • Truth Be Told

    If liberalism and Nazism is the same thing, how come the actual Nazis hated liberals:

    The hegemonic ambitions of the Nazi Propaganda Ministry were shown by the divisions Goebbels soon established: Press, radio, film, theater, music, literature, and publishing. In each of these, a Reichskammer (Reich Chamber) was established, co-opting leading figures from the field (usually not known Nazis) to head each Chamber, and requiring them to supervise the purge of Jews, socialists and ” liberals “, as well as practitioners of “degenerate” art forms such as abstract art and atonal music.

    “There are two ways to make a revolution,” the newly-named Reich Minister said. “One can fire at the opponent with machine guns until he recognizes the superiority of those who have the machine guns. That is the simplest way. One can also transform a nation through a revolution of the spirit, not destroying the opponent, but winning him over. We National Socialists have gone the second way, and will continue on it. Our first task in this ministry will be to win the whole people for the new state. We want to replace ‘liberal’ thinking with a sense of community that includes the whole people.” Nazi broadcaster Hans Fritzsche prsing Joesph Goebbels

    The destructive effects of the “past liberal era” had especially serious effects on the German newspaper system. Anyone, even foreigners and those foreign to the German spirit, could with no regard for the people or the state write whatever he wanted about any political question, even if that which he wrote offered foreign opponents all possible support and aid. -Nazi broadcaster Hans Fritzsche praising Joesph Goebbels

    “Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere.” Benito Mussolini, Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions(p. 32).

  • Mike O’Malley

    “Truth Be Told commented:

    If liberalism and Nazism is the same thing, how come the actual Nazis hated liberals:”

    .

    Now that’s silly! It’s also a strawman.

    Nazism is a German nationalist version of Socialism.

    Like the Bolsheviks, The American New Left, the New Party and OWS, the Nazis were anti-democracy, anti-liberal, anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist.

    In a generic sense almost to the man and woman American conservative and Tea Party Members are pro-democracy liberals.

  • rufkm

    @Truth Be Told:

    Well, if we listen to the very wise pundit Jonah Goldberg, Mussolini didn’t know what the hell he was talking about when it came to fascism…

  • Truth Be Told

    MAY 10, 1933 http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007677
    JOSEPH GOEBBELS SPEAKS AT BOOK BURNING IN BERLIN
    Forty thousand people gather to hear German propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels speak in Berlin’s Opera Square. Goebbels condemns works written by Jews, liberals, leftists, pacifists, foreigners, and others as “un-German.” Nazi students begin burning books. Libraries across Germany are purged of “censored” books. Goebbels proclaims the “cleansing of the German spirit.”

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  • Mike O’Malley

    “rufkm commented:

    @Truth Be Told:

    Well, if we listen to the very wise pundit Jonah Goldberg, Mussolini didn’t know what the hell he was talking about when it came to fascism…”

    .

    Mike says:
    Both Goldberg and Mussolini knew what they were talking about. People who were characterized as liberals in Europe almost a century ago are different from those who often characterize themselves as Liberals in American today.

    For example Cass Sunnstein, a well known American Liberal Democrat, believes in totalitarian State supremacism that is in many ways the same as Mussolini’s otalitarian State supremacism of the 1020’s and 1930’s. While Ronald Reagan (R) and just about everyone in the Tea Party would be characterized as a ‘Liberal” if the European standard of a century ago was used.

  • Mike O’Malley

    Truth Be Told commented:

    MAY 10, 1933 http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007677
    JOSEPH GOEBBELS SPEAKS AT BOOK BURNING IN BERLIN … Nazi students begin burning books. Libraries across Germany are purged of “censored” books. Goebbels proclaims the “cleansing of the German spirit.”
    .

    Mike says:
    Why of course they did. And the Nazi leadership of the SA, not Nazi students, at the same time publicly burned the records of Magnus Hirschfeld’s sex institute, why? Because Hirschfeld’s archives held tens of thousands of pages of documentary evidence including numerous confessions by Nazi leaders and Stormtroopers of their homosexual sexual assaults against children that could be use to discredit much of the homosexual leadership of the SA.

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  • Marxist Hypocrisy 101

    “Nazis are and will ever be Right-Wingers. They described themselves while in power as right-wingers, their contempories described them as Politically Right.”

    Thanks for letting us know upfront that you have no grasp whatsoever on either history or reality. The Nazis believed in a fully centralized government. Do you even know what determines “Left” and “Right” on the political scale?

    What you and the other guy are refusing to take into account is that “Liberal” meant somewthing completely and utterly different then to what it does now.

  • Marxist Hypocrisy you are an imbecile. By your “reckoning” Otto Von Bismarck and Frederick the Great of Prussia were Liberal Nazis because they believed in controlling the Nation.

    This is what happens when you allow ideology to trump your brain. Think for yourself but read history.

    During the Nazi era the Nazis called and allied themselves with Right-Wing thinking, historians and others living at the time also identified them as Right.

    But, hey if Ted Nugent were to proclaim himself a Democrat it would allow you to tarnish him as the chicken hawk, domestic terrorist, child rapist he is instead of championing him because he wants to kill President Obama.

  • Mike O’Malley

    #252 May 4, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Grung_e_Gene commented:

    Marxist Hypocrisy you are an imbecile. By your “reckoning” Otto Von Bismarck and Frederick the Great of Prussia were Liberal Nazis because they believed in controlling the Nation.”

    .

    Mike says:

    Dude, not ideology, dude but will to power. It might well be instinctive. However, what ideological foundation there is for Nazism can be found Nietzsche and before Nietzsche, in Rousseau. The next modern philosopher who transmitted Nazi ideology into our world today is Martin Heidegger. Heidegger provides the hidden anti-liberal foundation of Post-Modernism and thereby for most of the Progressive left today.

    Like the Bolsheviks, The American New Left, the New Party and OWS, the Nazis were anti-democracy, anti-liberal, anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist. But Martin Heidegger infused Nazism into today’s Progressive Left: The American New Left, the New Party and OWS.

    Remember, in a generic sense almost to the man and to the woman American conservatives and Tea Party Members are pro-democracy liberals.

  • Mike O’Malley

    “#252 May 4, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Grung_e_Gene commented:with Right-Wing thinking, historians and others living at the time also identified them as Right.

    But, hey if Ted Nugent were to proclaim himself a Democrat it would allow you to tarnish him as the chicken hawk, domestic terrorist, child rapist he is instead of championing him because he wants to kill President Obama.”

    .

    Mike says:
    You mean a domestic terrorist like Bill Ayers?
    You mean a child rapist like Frank Marshall Davis?
    Both were anti-liberal Marxists.

    Dude you may wish to inform yourself of the formative roles these two men played in the life of the Chicken Hawk in Chief of the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Libya.

  • Walknot

    If Hitler was such a “Right-Winger” as you dopes say he was, where is all the capitalist writtings and speeches proclaiming the virtues of capitalism? Show me ONE pro free-market, pro-capitalism uttering from Hitler. My God, the guy gave a ton of speeches and wrote a book, there has got to be something…anything. Show us!

  • robotech master

    #243 May 4, 2012 at 9:14 am
    Truth Be Told commented:

    “If liberalism and Nazism is the same thing, how come the actual Nazis hated liberals:”

    Ok first a couple issues here.

    1. Liberal in europe = GOP in US. They mean different things when you cross the ocean.

    In europe you have “classic” liberals or aka rightwing aka pro-freedom aka liberal amounts of freedom.

    In the US liberal means big government, slavery, oppression aka liberal amounts of government.

    Liberal by itself just means large amounts of. In europe its large amounts of freedom, in the US it means large amounts of government.

    Now that aside. All collectivist hate other collectives… You ever hear of racism? Their is no scientific difference between say the black panther and the KKK they are both the same. They are collectivist group that believe their collective is the best collective.

    Collectivists always expand upon themselves. So take the black panthers and KKK many times they will support the same exact thing and vote for the same exact people. This is of course because they are very similar collectives.

    Take socialism. Socialism has many many collectives that make it up. Be it nazis, fascists, communists, marxist, maoist, lenninist, etc, etc, etc.

    All of these group will band together for the “greater collective” of socialism to wipe out other groups. Once they gain control they start to purge themselves… and become more and more “pure” Nazis attack commies, commies attack maoist, etc, etc. At some point they just down to the purest form of the strongest group and thats the group thats “pure” ideas are put in place.

    This is also a well known scientific fact. To put simply collectivists always seek to kill off the collectives/lack of collective group to ever become more and more pure.

    To #252 May 4, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Grung_e_Gene commented:

    Let me ask you what is leftwing? What is rightwing? Science is clear that you have 2 primary ideologies in the world… the collective and the individual. Unless you consider the collective rightwing and thus in turn consider stalin rightwing… nazis are leftwing.

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  • Tired

    Rest in peace jt ready and your tortured family, just another useless eater to the powers that be. Son of lightening, brother in blood, your big mistake has something to do with playing in the mud according to your Highest Orders. And you couldn’t control your woman, according to your beloved Brethren in the Blood. So no one will Bless You into The halls of Valhallah. If such a place exists- your brothers deny your place. No one on the Right has proclaimed your Truth- it seems like you all were useless eater nazi’s, now there’s a twist of a knot in a plot.

  • robotech master

    #259 May 5, 2012 at 11:20 am
    Tired commented:

    Don’t worry the left has a seat of honor for their martyr and will exploit this joyous event in their view to the max.

  • jim

    ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: NO U!!!

    Ready was as much of a Democrat as the cretin who runs the Westburo Baptist Church is.

    Hardcore trolling by its nature demands full membership in the enemy camp – it’s easy access to a wealth of premium target info.

    Skinheads (& Trotskyites) (& LaRouchites) (& anarcho-thugs) trolling anti-war/social justice protests & rallies are as perennial as the swallows arriving back in Capistrano. That Ready was one such camwhoring leech at an Occupy event isn’t quite the sensational scoop Hoft is pretending for dear life it is

    Epic failure to pass the buck = this post.

  • All those of you upthread who argued that because Nazis used the word “socialism” in the title for their party it PROVES they were liberals, so of course modern-day Democrats are Nazis or whatever foolishness…it would be a waste of time to go through all the motions of explaining to you first what the definition of “socialism” is, and all the various ways in which it does not describe Hitler’s regime, because you wouldn’t understand it anyway. It would always come back to “…but…but…but…they said IT was, RIGHT THERE in the NAME!”

    So instead I’ll just present the following fact for your consideration: China calls itself “the PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC of China.”

    Please elaborate for our edification how this, therefore, proves that China is a REPUBLIC regardless of the fact that it shares none of the characteristics of a republic, just like the Nazis were socialists despite not practicing socialism – and therefore, were leftists.

    Thanks.

  • robotech master

    #262 May 5, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    jennofark commented:

    “it would be a waste of time to go through all the motions of explaining to you first what the definition of “socialism” is”

    I agree since you clearly have zero clue what it means… in fact you explaining anything to anyone is highly likely to be a complete waste of time.

  • “I know you are but what am I” isn’t all that compelling of an argument, Sparky. Then again, I wouldn’t expect someone who believes the Nazi movement was a “socialist” movement because the Nazis used the word “socialist” in the name of their party to have a compelling argument on much of anything.

    Maybe now you’ll get around to explaining how China is a republic because it says so in the name.

  • robotech master

    #264 May 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    jennofark commented:

    “Maybe now you’ll get around to explaining how China is a republic because it says so in the name.”

    First this is a meaningless strawman no one believe nazis were socialist SOLELY because they had socialist in the name… I go into great detail of why retarded ppl like you are retarded… you can review the post

    #256 May 4, 2012 at 5:13 pm
    robotech master commented:

    but back to your question… since you are retarded I will spare you any real sources of info a post wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

    “A republic is a form of government in which the government is officially apportioned to the control of the people and thus a “public matter””

    China is a republic under the wiki and really under most definitions…. but hey I’m sure you got another strawman argument as backup since you don’t seem to know the definition of socialism or republic.

  • You know, it’s pointless to argue with someone who can’t even understand what he reads, who posts links to things that prove the opposite of what he claims while claiming they support his argument, so this will be my last response.

    The Chinese people control China? I guess that explains the forced abortions and sterilizations and censorship – the people of China just decided they liked those things, so they elected political leaders who promised to do those things, and rejected politicians who promised to do things like allow full freedom of speech and the right to reject unwanted medical procedures, thereby excercising their control over their government.

    There really isn’t anything more to add, other than to congratulate you on an own-goal brilliantly executed.

  • robotech master

    #266 May 5, 2012 at 4:58 pm
    jennofark commented:

    bahahaha. Cry some more… hey moron chinese people do control china you once again show that you have no idea what a republic is or democracy or any of a host of term.

    Let me cut and paste just a little tiny section of the wiki which you didn’t even bother to read since you’ve shown yourself to be retarded

    “where all the people have a share in rule, and aristocracies or oligarchies, WHERE ONLY SOME OF THE PEOPLE RULE, as republican forms of government.[6]

    Look my friend when you graduate from middle school come back and try again…

  • notjenna

    @ jennofark

    Our favorite literalist robotech and his history challenged buddies probably think the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is both a republic and democratic. Sez so right there in the name!

    ps Wonder if the opposition in DPRK resort to the schoolyard taunts like our Republicans do, i.e. calling the people in power the “Democrat” People’s Republic of Korea.

    pps For all you literalists, yes, I know there isn’t much of an opposition in DPRK. It’s a joke!

  • toaster pastry

    aaand here we are. As I predicted Jim, you’ve been Sadly, No’d

  • robotech master

    #268 May 5, 2012 at 5:16 pm
    notjenna commented:

    Yes god forbid someone know the definition of a word and use it correctly… and points out when someone else is using it wrong…

    Lets also not forget the huge strawman that you have offered NOTHING to counter the fact that nazis were socialist. Of course since you don’t even know what socialism definition is it doesn’t surprise me that you don’t know if nazis were socialist.

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  • robotech master

    #272 May 5, 2012 at 11:08 pm
    toaster pastry commented:

    Yup the link you post is great for showing hitler was a socialists

    “4. His concern for social betterment (‘true Socialism’) as a necessary prerequisite to the acceptance of his ideals by the masses.”

    Yes socialism.

    “2. His violent animosity to Marxian Socialism as in essence opposed to his ideal of a nationally minded people and a racial state. …”

    Which is of course why hitlers form of socialism was called NATIONAL socialism… where as stalin’s form was considered INTERNATIONAL socialism.

    “5. His contempt for the intelligence of the ordinary man and for a democracy based on faith in his development to higher levels.”

    Hates the individual aka loves the collective.

    “7. His insistence on the power of personality and on the entire concentration of authority in the hands of one leader (up to now, himself).”

    All the power should be in the hands of the government… aka socialism.

    “8. In short, he believes in the ruthless subordination of economic interests and economic leaders to racial and national considerations.”

    Anti-capitalist aka pro-socialist.

    and of course all the racists stuff which is once again socialism.

    Its a great find showing without doubt hitler was a socialist… and WAS NOT a communist as many people in this thread keep trying to claim and then debunk said claim.

  • Sally Rakowski

    Seems jennofark is a bit of a racist, coming over here from Sadly No and Balloon Juice to troll and then report back.

    Here’s the highly racist comment out of her own sick, twisted brain.

    You know if we really want to deal with this gun lunacy once and for all, we need to do this: get a bunch of toy guns that look like real ones, and hand them out to every African American and Latino American in every state with a right-to-carry law…and have them walk around for a few days wearing these guns in the open

    Can’t imagine a stupider idea, or one any more dangerous to African Americans and Latinos. But seems jennital Jennifer jennofark doesn’t really care about their safety or well-being….as long as they keep voting Democrat.

  • Sheeba1

    I see mostly ignorant comments here on this ignorant, lying site. Someone listed a Fox link, claiming that this guy is running as a Democrat. Yeah? In Wisconsin, a voting commission ruled that it was ok for 6 fake Democrats to remain on the ballot. Get it? This guy Ready was a fake Democrat. He’s been prominent in Republican politics; he’s attended Tea Party events in Phoenix. Does running a vigilante border control organization sound like something a “Democrat” would do?

    Hoft is a liar.

  • James

    If any of you think that JT Ready had anything to do with the Occupy protests then you are some of the world’s biggest liars.

    He showed up at one Occupy protest and was asked to leave. He showed up at dozen of Tea Party events and none of them so much as asked him to leave. In fact they embraced him.

    Sorry, Nazi’s occupy the far right side of the political spectrum. You can pretend different all you want but JT Ready was one of you, not a liberal..not a Democrat..not a member of the Occupy movement. He was a Republican..a conservative..a Tea Partier..and yes..a Neo-Nazi.

    Lie all you want but you simply can’t change the facts.

  • Al B Tross

    Robotech Master, with all due respect, Hitler was no more a Socialist than Stalin was a Communist. Neither were what they claimed to be.

    They were Authoritarians, Totalitarian Dictators, pure and simple. It doesn’t matter what label an SDO leader may use to deceive RWA followers, such as yourself, or what ideology they claim to belong to. It is the behavior they exhibit, that tells the tale.
    Socialist Trotsky, was exiled to Mexico to escape from Stalin, he denounced Hitler, and remained a strong supporter of workers rights, and,the SWP (Socialist Workers Party) as well as the rights of Blacks and other minority groups.
    http://www.themilitant.com/2010/7416/741657.html

    What yourself and many other commentors on this site share, and have readily demonstrated, is a personality disorder called Authoritarian Personality Syndrome, indicated by what researchers call cognitive dissonance, the ability to have two contradictory ideas held in one’s mind at the same time. Not to mention the black or white, Machiavellian attitude. There is a 30 year, empirical study on this free to read online.

    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

    What the Tea Party supports, is actually Fascism, a small Government whose only purpose is to protect and further the Wealthy Business Elite, using patriotism, cronyism and the military to to unite the people, to the peoples detriment.

    JT Ready has been a well documented supporter of the Tea Party, the Militia movement, the Nazis, and Sherriff Joe, none of them leftist in any way.
    To make that leap in logic and reasoning, to ignore all the facts about this man, only demonstrates a severe level of cognitive dissonance. I hope you find help.

    Now please refer and cite your references in any of your assertions to the contrary, before you trash talk and thump your chest in a display of dominance..

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  • robotech master

    #275 May 6, 2012 at 10:29 am
    Sheeba1 commented:

    Great irony in this comment since democrats have gone to jail for illegally putting ppl up as tea party/GOP candidates many of which didn’t even know they were running until the media showed up at there door.

    #276 May 6, 2012 at 10:57 am
    James commented:
    “He showed up at one Occupy protest and was asked to leave. He showed up at dozen of Tea Party events and none of them so much as asked him to leave. In fact they embraced him.”

    Thats not true believe their are at least 2 videos of neo-nazi democrats being called out at tea parties and believe ready was one of them. You’ll also note that ready was openly accepted by the occupy movement when in full nazi gear but in none of the tea party picture is he in that gear expect where he’s getting shunned.

    As to your ignorant of science… well like every other ignorant fool in this thread you makes lots of claims but have little facts, logic or science to back them up.

    #277 May 6, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Al B Tross commented:

    “They were Authoritarians, Totalitarian Dictators, pure and simple.”

    All socialist MUST BE Authoritarians, Totalitarian Dictators. You clearly know nothing of the definition of socialism.

    “Socialist Trotsky, SWP (Socialist Workers Party) ” Yes clearly a socialist because he had socialist is his party name… of course national socialists aren’t socialists though right? The irony.

    “What yourself and many other commentors on this site share, and have readily demonstrated, is a personality disorder called Authoritarian Personality Syndrome, indicated by what researchers call cognitive dissonance, the ability to have two contradictory ideas held in one’s mind at the same time. Not to mention the black or white, Machiavellian attitude. There is a 30 year, empirical study on this free to read online.”

    lol no this is exactly what you suffer from.

    “What the Tea Party supports, is actually Fascism, a small Government whose only purpose is to protect and further the Wealthy Business Elite, using patriotism, cronyism and the military to to unite the people, to the peoples detriment. ”

    lol by this claim hitler, Mussolini were not fascist since they had massive government…

    The tea party of course opposes cronyism and believes in the protection of everyone. They in fact heavily oppose the “wealthy business elite” this can be seen in the fact they oppose the wall st bailouts.

    On the other hand occupy wall st movement heavily supports the bailouts. They oppose equal rights and equal protection.

    I also like this

    “Now please refer and cite your references ”

    You have no ability to argue anything so you must cite others to do your arguments for you… and lets be clear your not citing facts, logic or science you are citing the propaganda that suits your agenda. Anyone can cite a “science” study to prove anything… hey blacks are human… theirs a harvard study to back that argument up. Jews belong in ovens… another high grade well respected study to support that argument.

    You see 2nd grade educated individuals such as you can not use logic, reasoning, science or facts to make an argument so you must “reference” someone elses argument.

  • robotech master

    #277 May 6, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Al B Tross commented:

    lol reading the book you posted… lol I must say it is a great piece of stalinist revisionist history filled with propaganda buzzwords. I love every minute of it. It reminds me of reading many other socialist works. The logical fail and appeals to authority and Authoritarianism in making its claims are just incredible.

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  • Al B Tross

    Yet you post no evidence , other your opinion, and many meaningless buzzwords.

    I would hope you seek help for your affliction.

  • robotech master

    #282 May 7, 2012 at 10:53 am
    Al B Tross commented:

    And yet another elitist comment completely lacking even the attempt to debate but in reality that is the whole point. You can’t debate because your a 2nd grader who can only parrot someone elses arguments. People like you who believe anything that fits their agenda.

    “Hitler didn’t hurt anything it was all the jews fault. Their was consensus by a bunch of german college professors.”

    “Stalin’s a great guy who would never kill millions of people… the now york times says so. See here the link… see how much more elite i am quoting someone else because their elite.”

    You keep running those line Al B Tross. People like you would have endorsed and supported stalin, hitler, mao and countless other collectivists tools. You can’t make one argument yourself all you are is a pathetic robot parrot. So you keep parroting.

  • robotech master

    #282 May 7, 2012 at 10:53 am
    Al B Tross commented:

    lol history is just raping this guy “Bob Altemeyer’s” in the @ss. Have you read his book? OMG the epic fail and history rape is just beyond words. I’m not even halfway done yet and this guy is being bent over like the racist, authoritarian socialist genocide supporting nutbag that he is.

  • robotech master

    “High RWAs in the USSR
    turned out to be mainly members of the Communist Party. So psychologically they
    were right-wing authoritarian followers, even though we would say they were, as
    Communists, extreme political and economic left wingers.”

    lol the fking crazy is just crazy… this guy admits that communist are leftwing in both political and economic policies… but according to his scale they are rightwing… HOLY SHAT DUDE. This guy makes harvard pro-eugenics papers I’ve read seem rationally thought out and unbiased in their views. The simply massive retarded and subjective everything of his arguments are insane.

    This guy creates a completely subjective and revisionist scale for the sole intend of smear the “evil rightwing”.

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  • beejeez

    Well, yes, of course Hitler was a socialist. Remember when he tried to force Poland to adopt universal health care, and give French workers the right to strike? Remember how he was always sticking up for oppressed minorities? And how he dissolved private businesses in Germany so they could be run instead by workers collectives?

    Jesus. National Socialists were socialist like the German Democratic Republic was democratic.

  • robotech master

    #287 May 8, 2012 at 10:07 am
    beejeez commented:

    Good post

    “Remember when he tried to force Poland to adopt universal health care.”

    Yup his invasion of course was to liberal poland from it “capitalist oppressors” and of course giving hitlercare. Hitler was of course a huge fan of universal healthcare and that the government micro-manage huge aspects of the health of “the people”.

    “and give French workers the right to strike?”

    Yup hitler was a huge union supporter. Not so much as stalin who had unions for his unions but he was of course big time support of “workers rights”.

    “And how he dissolved private businesses in Germany so they could be run instead by workers collectives?”

    Yup 6 million jews in ovens. All their businesses property turned over to the state to be given to state approved collectives. Not of course to mention countless other people who had their property “redistributed” in accordance to the state.

  • Cdb Spender

    Tell me where he is buried so I can piss on his grave.

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