Obama White House Plans to Overwhelm NRA With Swift Gun Control Victory

The Obama White House plans to overwhelm the NRA with swift gun control victory.
Talking Points Memo reported:

The White House and gun control supporters are gearing up for a whirlwind month, with plans to pass reform legislation before outrage over the Sandy Hook massacre has a chance to fade.

While the fiscal cliff has dominated Washington’s attention in recent weeks, lawmakers and activists are laying the groundwork for their big push. Vice President Joe Biden, tasked with heading a commission to investigate gun violence, has been quietly meeting with experts, interest groups, and public officials and is expected to release a set of recommendations within weeks. Boston mayor Thomas Menino, co-chair of Michael Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told the Boston Herald this week that an optimistic Biden had assured him that Obama would sign legislation “by the end of January.”

“We had been led to believe their report would come by end of January, but we’re hearing they may want to have something out by January 15, even quicker than expected,” Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told TPM.

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  • Mikey

    Let ’em try.
    No gun legislation will get past the House.
    Only by executive decree will this be forced down our throats.
    And doing that will ignite a sh!tstorm of protest and civil disobedience

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  • Joe Blow

    He will do it by decree if necessary and he won’t care about the sh!tstorm. Remember he is the king or messiah depending on which lefty you ask.

  • Oliver

    At the risk of venturing into tin hat territory …

    How convenient that:

    – DHS was just reported buying even more bullets to add to the millions they bought last year to store in unmarked warehouses
    – DHS insiders say the revolution is coming — probably March, just a few months after the Sandyhook massacre
    – hard drive from Sandyhook shooter’s was “destroyed” beyond repair so there was no way what (OR WHO!) had instigated the massacre
    – there’s not been a single report of records being pulled off the Sandyhook shooter’s server … apparently a relatively simple thing to do
    – that the only other witness of the shooter’s online activities (his mother) was killed
    – that the shooting involved the most sympathetic victims imaginable: defenseless 6 year olds

    Makes you wonder: Is this a case of not letting a good crisis go to waste, or is it a case of CREATING a crisis to move an agenda along, under the auspices of “the sacrifice of a few for the good of the many” (collectivism).

    Read the interview with a DHS Insider and decide for yourself:
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005

  • Stella Baskomb

    Remember . . . Never let a crisis go to waste.

    And I might even go along with this pretext to disarm Americans, but only after

    (a) I am certain that armed guards are no longer employed at Sidwell Friends School, and

    (b) when all Americans earning over $450,000 per year are prohibited from having armed bodyguards.

  • ★FALCON★

    I’ve been patiently waiting for Obama to push the wrong button. I won’t have to wait much longer.

  • cavt

    If you haven’t already armed yourselfs and your family, you’d better get a move on. Jefferson stated: ‘Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.’ As well as his quotes about being armed in order to resist govt tyranny. I trust the wisdom of Jefferson’s recommendations to us far more than the lies current politicians blabber about.

  • Kate

    I think he doesn’t have enough respect for the will of the people and the NRA that represents them. I do think that there will be many Democrats who will be reminded very quickly which way the wind blows. Just look at W VA. We won’t go down without a massive fight. If Obama thinks the NRA isn’t ready, he’s a bigger fool that I already think he is.

  • Oliver

    Breaking: must see video on how Fast & Furious ties in with the push for gun control:

    http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2013/01/was-fast-and-furious-really-about-u-s-supporting-a-drug-cartel

  • The Triguy

    Sorry, this will not pass the House. The President will make this law by executive order saying that the American people demand action and then challenge the House to try and overturn the will of the people. I do see this as the first battle in the war of who has control of our government—Obama or the legislature. It is a classic setup.

  • Oliver

    #10 Katie: he doesn’t need respect, he has the EMOTION of 20 dead kids working for him.

    Wake up conservatives. Wake up.

  • Big Al

    ….cold, dead hands….

  • Oliver

    Check this list from 1963 called “Current Communist Goals” and see how many connect to the current push for gun control:

    1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

    2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

    3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

    4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

    5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

    6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

    7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

    8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

    9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

    10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

    11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

    12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

    14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

    15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

    16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

    23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

    32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

    35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

    36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

    37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

    38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

    39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

    42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.

    43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

    44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

    45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

    http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

  • jim m

    obama will not be signing any legislation, but I will bet that he does sign some fascist executive order illegally advancing gun control.

  • Stella Baskomb

    Our Constitution was deliberately designed to protect us from our government. Is it any surprise that government types are always trying to dismantle it?

    Shame – and worse – on us, if we let them get away with it.

    Walter Williams, one of our most precious national treasures, has this to say in a recent column.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/01/02/why-the-2nd-amendment-n1476632

    Excerpts:

    Alexander Hamilton: “The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed,” adding later, “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government.” By the way, Hamilton is referring to what institution when he says “the representatives of the people”?

    James Madison: “[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation … (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”

    Thomas Jefferson: “What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.”

    George Mason, author of the Virginia Bill of Rights, which inspired our Constitution’s Bill of Rights, said, “To disarm the people — that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”

    Good stuff. Pass it on.

  • FU#K OBAMA

    Obama wants the violence to start, and banning guns he will get it. The question will remain, will you help defend your neighbor from unjust confisciation of their god given right to defend themselves?

    What will you do when the next Ruby Ridge or Waco starts, stand idly by or start shooting to force a retreat? Our fight has just begun.

    It took 8 years for Hitler to totally make himself dictator and Imam Obama is well along the path. Public employee unions are in his back pocket. They will rat you out to save their cushy job and lifestyle, they will be part of the ‘brownshirts’.

    Prepare with food to help the freedom fighters if nothing else.

  • Oliver

    #17 – Stella: are you kidding me? Obama has stomped all over the Constitution since he took office! An article in NYT the other day called for an end to the Constitution!

    Holy crap, some of you people really do live in a bubble.

  • Joel

    I would be really impressed if for once we don’t just roll over the way Boehner did and the way The Supreme Court did with Husseincare. But exactly how are we going to resist if our representatives are largely useless and the courts defer to Hussein. It is my belief that Hussein + The Muslim Brotherhood + Al Jazeera + No More 2nd = Genocide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vAU9AJfttls).

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  • Exsanguine

    Erm, Oliver: I think it would be best if you re-read Stella’s post. twice.

  • Rose

    THAT ain’t the NRA – that is the CONSTITUTION he’s talking about “overwhelming”.

  • Oliver

    #22 Exsanguine. I get it, arm yourselves blah, blah, … the Constitution. Fat lot of good that will do you when DHS and the Mexican Drug cartels are the only ones carrying big scary guns and more than a handful of bullets.

  • Rose

    #15 January 5, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    Oliver commented:

    Check this list from 1963 called “Current Communist Goals” and see how many connect to the current push for gun control:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    THANKS FOR POSTING THIS!

  • tarpon

    When did the NRA become a member of Congress?

  • Ella

    How does this pitiful Administration plan to keep illegals out with arms? Disarm the US population but let that scum in because they can’t guard the Southern border properly?

    If you live at the Southern border you need a ton of military grade weaponry to keep your family & property safe…… how in the world is the Administration going to sell their anti-gun BS to border residents?

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    Rose #23 January 5, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    re: [that is the CONSTITUTION he’s talking about “overwhelming”]

    yes it is, and we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.. :-(

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  • Oliver

    I don’t know beans about military operations, but I’m guessing the best way to defeat the enemy is to fight them on many fronts, to the point where they’re surrounded. Well, folks, you are just about surrounded.

    They’re taking your money (higher taxes).
    They’re about to take your guns and/or bullets.
    They’ve turned your kids against you.
    They’ve pretty much killed the Constitution.
    They’ve obviously turned some in the Military (Petraeus?)
    They’ve armed your enemies (Libya, Syria, Mexico)
    They’ve infiltrated every level of government.

    Do I need to continue?

  • Oliver

    #27 Ella – “How does this pitiful Administration plan to keep illegals out with arms”

    He’s not planning to keep them out! Did you not see his most recent EO to fast-track immigration for millions more?

    BORDERLESS SOCIETY: it’s part of the plan.

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    Ella #27 January 5, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    just s sampling:

    Global Civilian Security Force

    [The armed forces, therefore, according to the decree issued by Chávez last July 22nd, in the practice will be responsible for enforcing by means of arms the failed socialist constitutional reform. To that end, in order to dilute the country into its militia-like organization, will “prepare and organize the people for integral defense.” In addition, it will “forge alliances or coalitions with the armed forces of foreign countries.” The ongoing military revolution will have not borders. At the end, there is one single purpose -retired military officer Chávez Frías will boast his five-sun insignia appropriate for his new rank of commander in chief, awarded by himself, and not by the grace of God.]

    Obama’s ‘Civilian Security Force’

    [Advocates of limited government are concerned about comments by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) regarding his national service plans and views on the “burden of global citizenship.”]

    Homegrown Jihad

    [They may be living right next door…

    Scattered across the United States, unknown to all but a handful of citizens, are 35 Islamic terrorist training compounds known as “Muslims of America.” Under the leadership of a radical Pakistani cleric, Sheikh Mubarak Gilani, Muslims of America has thousands of devoted followers who are being groomed for HOMEGROWN JIHAD.]

    [and much more in connecting links and threads]

    AND UNMENTIONED VIA THE MSM

    Army acknowledges pedophilia part of Islam

    [Clare Lopez, a senior fellow with the Center for Security Policy,
    said the suggestion that U.S. soldiers are to blame for the attacks
    on them by Afghan security forces is outrageous.

    “To suggest that our troops are somehow being murdered because
    of our insensitivity to their culture is essentially saying it’s our own
    fault that the troops are being killed because we weren’t nice enough
    to them,” Lopez said. “The fundamental refusal to acknowledge that
    the enemy fights because of what he says he fight for, which is Islam,
    is a failure by our professional leadership from Secretary of Defense
    Leon Panetta on down. Because of this, we have no strategy.”

    This year alone, more than three dozen attacks have killed 63 coalition
    forces. In an attempt to quell the attacks the Army report has issued
    a list of “taboo conversational topics.”]

    more at link, in connecting links & threads..

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  • Stella Baskomb

    Oliver I’m sorry you don’t consider me to be on the same side as you. You’re gonna lose for sure if you don’t have allies.

  • Oliver

    More:

    – do you really think Team O thinks USA can survive on wind power & solar? No. It’s just a way to make sure USA is never energy independent
    – do you think it’s a coincidence that 20+ Bin Laden navy seals have died since the raid?
    – do you think it’s a coincidence that the party which appeals to blacks, women and gays for eg. does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve inner city neighborhoods, stand up for women in Pakistan etc, or speak out against the murder of gays in Muslim countries? These are the sacrificial lambs that will most easily be led to slaughter or enslaved for the pleasure of the ruling class.

    Seriously folks, start connecting the dots. If something doesn’t seem to make any sense, believe me, it’s not because they’re dumb, it’s being done for a reason.

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    Oliver #29 January 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    no, as i have stated a few times,
    unfortunately Qaddafi was right.. :-(

    “Our confrontation with America used to be like confronting
    a fortress from outside. Today we have found an opening to
    enter the fortress and to confront it from within.”
    – Col MQ

    Europe and the U.S. Should Agree to Become
    Islamic or Declare War on the Muslims. ~ MQ

    more at links, in connecting links (some
    have been “disappeared”) & threads..

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  • Oliver

    #32 – Stella: believe me, we’re on the same side. I just want people to wake up and realize what’s really happening here.

    Bottom line: your Constitution and your rifles are not going to save you. America is about to be hit with a tidal wave coming from every direction.

    For eg. How many hours on this list alone were spent discussing and debating the Fiscal cliff, and whether or not Boehner should be fired? So much time & energy wasted on an Obama-created DISTRACTION. That’s all it was.

  • donh

    HA HA HA HA….The Hispanic illegal alien AMNESTY crowd gets SCREWED again. He promised…First #1 of all #1 top priorities would be comprehansive immigration reform…SUCKERS !…Gun control is Obama’s TOP agenda item for his second 4 year lame duck term. Its been planned this way since since the day he took office. Go for the guns AFTER re-election is out of the way. This will be a LONG obsessive fanatical Putch Vorwarts !

  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    The federal government has absolutely no power to regulate and infringe on gun ownership, and any laws and decrees it passed or has passed are null and void. No American need obey such laws and regulations.

  • Patty

    I believe Obama wants a Civil War. He could have his wish if he steps to far. Here he will use the 14 Amendment to force gun control.

    Mexicans can not carry guns, guns aren’t allowed but I think you can have guns in home. And in Warez, Mexico there has been 3,100 murders by guns and in El Paso, Texas 65. One you can carry guns and the other you cannot.
    ~~~~~~~~~~

    http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/tag/gun-control-obama-ips-marxists/

    The Liberals/Progressives are sure to exploit any tragedy relating to guns. The Progressives want to disarm the citizenry. Why?
    There have been other tragedies:
    Tim McVeigh used a truck with a fertilizer bomb in Oklahoma City.
    Charles Manson used knives and strangulation.
    The Unibomber mailed packages and letters with bombs.
    EVIL comes in all forms; it is hard to protect oneself from Evil.
    ===================
    ============================
    The move to disarm the citizenry:
    The Institute for Policy Studies
    The Progressive/Marxist group that encourages and promotes policy within Washington, D. C., The Institute for Policy Studies prides itself on being a driving force for policy making.
    The Institute for Policy Studies is Coming for Your Guns
    December 23, 2012
    The far left Institute for Policy Studies, out of Washington DC, is the ideas factory for the Obama Administration.
    Then Illinois state senator Barack Obama himself served on the founding board of IPS’ partner organization Demos. Obama’s short lived and still communist “Green Jobs Czar” Van Jones, served on the same board some years later.
    If you want to know what Obama will do tomorrow, read what IPS is saying today.
    IPS wants to take your guns away. Because they know that if they can do that, American socialism is a slam dunk.
    The IPS doesn’t just want to regulate guns. It wants to virtually eliminate them.
    Here’s some socialist utopian insanity from the IPS website: http://www.ips-dc.org/blog/gun_ownership_is_a_hobby_not_a_right

  • Oliver

    Now what on earth would the US need with a 17-story airship?
    http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-aeros-airship-tustin-20130104,0,799208.story

    Escape vehicle for Team Obama perhaps?

  • Hera

    Since gun control won’t pass the House it doesn’t matter how quickly the opposition moves.

  • Patty

    hear not here he will use the 14 amendment in some way to pass gun control.

    What I don’t understand is Feinstein, she carries a gun in her purse, so I hear. And she has her own plans to have any magazines more than 10 rounds banned. Question can another Loughner or Lanza or McVeigh type care, and in her way of thinking killing 10 people is okay but more is a crime.

    Why are liberals such hypocrites and why do the want to punish the many for a few nut jobs.

    But they are armed and the have their security while we the PEOPLE have less arms to protect ourselves and if we are attacked in our homes or just enjoy target practice have no means. Or jump through hoops because a parent allowed her child to get to her guns and she never sought proper help for him. He was 20 years old and need help way before his slaughter of innocence happened.

  • ALL_IS_LOST

    You guys are so cute when you think Obama will use legislation. It will simply be a stroke of the pen as he uses yet another executive order. You know, the procedure that is not constitutional, but that both parties and all presidents have loved since WWII.

  • Patty

    #39 January 5, 2013 at 4:20 pm
    Oliver commented:

    unbelievable. Is this why they ended the space program for more goodies for Obama.

    What is wrong with the C-130’s?

  • Oliver

    #37 S.Wolf: hmmm. Unless of course Obama can convince lots of people that guns are bad and banning them will prevent bad things like, oh, I dunno’, let’s say the senseless massacre of small children?

    That way maybe lots of sheeple will turn their guns in voluntarily, and help Obama avoid the cost and hassle of taking them away by force.

    major SARC.

  • Patty

    A Comprehensive List Of Obama’s Worst Executive Orders

    There have been over 900 Executive orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law ‘Disney Land’ of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to ‘Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.’ They have compiled a choice list of ‘Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders’: Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.

    * Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

    * Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

    * Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

    * Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

    * Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

    * Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

    * Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

    * Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

    * Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

    * Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issues over a fifteen-year period.

    * Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    * Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    * Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    It is more than clear that Obama is planning for the total control and takeover of America via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health…he has it covered.

    While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution. Sher Zieve exposed this in one of her recent articles. Damn the U.S. Constitution, damn the American people and damn U.S. sovereignty.

    We must send faxes, emails, and make calls to all congressman and demand they stop Obama’s perverted, extreme, and Unconstitutional abuse of Executive Orders. It is time to demand our elected leaders start protecting America, our sovereignty, and our Constitution. So far, they seem to be protecting the Obama – Marxist takeover plans…peppered with a little U.N. and Islam.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/a-comprehensive-list-of-obamas-worst-executive-orders/

    And soon Gun Control. And they will be coming for your guns. Watch what Obama has in store for the underlings.

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    Patty #38 January 5, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “When the revolution comes… “

    [In my mind, I remember thinking that Obama was blindly sticking to
    the simple Marxist theory that had characterized my own views while
    I was an undergraduate at Occidental College. “There’s going to be
    a revolution,” Obama said, “we need to be organized and grow the
    movement.” In Obama’s view, our role must be to educate others so
    that we might usher in more quickly this inevitable revolution.]

    more here, in connecting links, and scroll threads for more..

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    Patty #45 January 5, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    that particular article is quite incorrect..

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  • Patty

    #46 January 5, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    bg commented:

    Americans aren’t going to have the Government take their guns. As I see it freedom means way more then what this government has to offer. Higher taxes, Debt, Obamacare, the list is endless but our freedom? That, they will never take from us. We had a Civil War once and there very well could be another. You can push the bear for so long.

  • Oliver

    #45 Patty: Wow. I guess Obama is further along on his checklist that I thought. Mind-boggling list. And not a single report or concern expressed by the media.

    DHS Insider in the Canada Free Press Article estimated March 2013 as D-Day. Looks like things are right on schedule.

  • mark1973

    #35, You sound like your a “Media Matter’s” troll,who is paid to monitor the site,in order to dispirit and destroy morale. Let’s take a look at one of your comment’s: “Your Constitution and your Rifles are not going to save you”. WRONG! If you haven’t noticed, we are kind of bogged down in an unending war in Afghanistan by tribesman using little more than that. You also might have been told about this little conflict called Viet Nam,where the same thing on a much larger scale happened to the greatest Military power on earth.

    Between 80-100 million American citizen’s legally own over 300 million Firearms. That’s not incuding the illegally owned ones. That by the way is more than the combined small arms of China,India and Russia according to the site “Firearms and the Law”. Yet,your ready to throw in the towel and claim your on our side…Your not! Your a lefty site pest,here to sow angst and depression. It Ain’t Working!

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    Olive#39 January 5, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    doubt it, they had huge under White
    House grounds improvements made..

    OR: perhaps to peruse an overview with
    elitist crew after the dust settles?? /s/

    OR: perhaps an Islamic Trojan Horse?? 😆

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  • Oliver

    #42- ALL IS LOST: yeah, sometimes I feel like I’m hitting my head against a brick wall.

    Legislation, constitution, House of representatives, 2nd amendment. All stuff that will have absolutely no meaning in a few short months.

    Yep, folks, Boehner is going to save you from world domination by the forces of evil.

    Keep thinking in that same old box that got you this far.

  • Oliver

    BG – ahhh, hadn’t thought about a Trojan Horse. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but that actually makes sense.

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    mark1973 #50 January 5, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    no, Oliver is not that at all..

    you on the other hand make me go hmmm..

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    Oliver #52 January 5, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    no it doesn’t.. 😀

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: Oliver #52 January 5, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    re: #51 January 5, 2013 at 4:55 pm bg

    re: Oliver #39 January 5, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    re: #55 January 5, 2013 at 5:04 pm bg

    well, only because it was made public,
    else, i might’ve agreed for a spree.. 😉

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  • Oliver

    #50 Mark1973. If it makes you feel better to think I’m a “leftie troll”, go ahead and think that. I’m not even an American. Just a concerned conservative who sees the world’s last great beacon of freedom about to be snuffed out.

    I have kids (no grandchildren thank god), and Obama terrifies me. Has from the first moment I heard him speak.

    I hope those of you in the US who are willing to stand up and fight will do so, and I hope you win. But there are so many of you with your heads up your asses about what’s really going on, I have my doubts.

    But you tell yourself whatever you need to in order to sleep at night.

  • mark1973

    By the way,the House is going to cave on this. They are all NWO lefties who have been put into place tp pretend they are Conservative,but at the Right time vote to sink this nation from within for their Bankster masters Rockefeller/Rotschild. You just saw it with the ‘Fiscal Cliff’. Boehner could have shut the whole thing down but didn’t. As a matter-of-fact,the repubs could have stopped everything including Obamacare in committee,but alway’s seemed to get enough people at the last second to vote it out: Obamacare ( Olympia Snowe ), Dodd/Frank ( Scott Brown ), Food Safety and Modernization Act ( Tom Coburn ), Start 2 Treaty ( Numerous repubs ). The same with the recently renewed NDAA with indefinite detention provisions,renewal of the Patriot Act,Numerous Debt Ceiling Raises, Light Bulb Ban and more. Now hey are ready to cave on the final piece of their puzzle,Our God Given second Ammendment Right’s. The one Right that guarantees all the others. And believe me,the repubs will cave. That’s okay,because Our God Given Second Ammendment,was given to us by our Creator specifically for this type of situation,where we can say NO to an oppressive,tyranical government and back that No up with Force! This is also good in a glass Half Full sense,because when the House repubs cave on this,it will remove any last Doubt among any of us,that the repub party can be saved and used as a vessel to save our Republic. They will have reached the stage that the ‘Whig’ Party who the repubs replaced in the 1850’s on the eve of the Civil War, as a virtual mirror image of the dem party.

  • Oliver

    BG: YIKES: perhaps not a trojan horse, but an ARK?

  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    mark1973 #50

    ‘angst’? Angst is not a word a conservative would use. A leftist troll from Media Matters, on the other hand…

  • Skip

    He no doubt plans to use executive order. Gun control will not pass through the GOP held House and many Dems in the Senate will not vote for it.

  • Lim Lynn

    http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/01/debate-gun-violence-with-facts-2455578.html
    Well, nice debate about gun violence but still not enough for NRA stop gun control lost by Barack Hussein Obama cause Commie socialist are imagining too much.

  • http://www.truthandcommonsense.com archer52

    Read my book. Things are going to get real bad. It won’t be our fault, nor the fault of the poor officer or agent who is sent to “collect” either your or your guns. That is how it always happens. The leaders make a bad law, people resist and only the cops and the people suffer.

    Obama doesn’t care, Feinstein doesn’t care, Biden suffers dementia. They were coming after guns this second term anyway, as the goal is to put us in a position where their government can abuse its citizens without fear of reprisal.

    I wish there was another way, call your representatives, call your Senators, try to get them to understand the problem is NOT guns, but criminals and evil humans.

    Feinstein doesn’t care, she is part of the “Cardinals” of our government. isolated in her bubble, beyond reach, beyond believing we have a right to be free.

    Sad. Truth is until THIS stops happening, disarming people will only get them killed.

    http://truthandcommonsense.com/2013/01/05/the-other-side-of-the-gun-control-issue-mother-saves-herself-and-her-kids-and-runs-out-of-ammo-doing-it/

    This is the “cardinal” reference we should use it every chance we have.

    http://newsbusters.org/node/12481

    If they try to pass the law, they’ll be making millions of decent people criminals. If we are going to jail anyway…

    I just can’t see how this works out well for anyone. I hope cooler heads prevail.

  • Stella Baskomb

    “Bottom line: your Constitution and your rifles are not going to save you. America is about to be hit with a tidal wave coming from every direction.”

    So a rowboat is the answer?

    Oliver you’re pretty good at pointing to problems. You’re also pretty good at knocking others’ points of view about what might be done.

    How about making a suggestion of your own to address the problems you see?

    Do you have any practical suggestions to make?

    Thanks –

  • shadow

    Patty: Wow. I guess Obama is further along on his checklist that I thought. Mind-boggling list. And not a single report or concern expressed by the media.

    What would you expect? Those EOs were from presidents Kennedy through Ford, with the last one being signed in 1976.

    Ya see, that’s the kind of misinformation you are fed at right wing propaganda sites. One might expect people to be more careful with the “facts” they pass on, but I guess it is easy to believe, if you WANT it to be true.

  • Oliver

    #64 Stella: I wish I had an answer. 5 years ago I moved from Canada to a country that doesn’t regulate people to death. After 20 years (on & off) of Liberal government there, I just couldn’t take it anymore. At the time, relocating was my solution. Now? Who knows.

    My suggestions:
    1. Inform yourself about what’s really going on. Don’t believe anything Obama, the WH or MSM says.
    2. Don’t be afraid of being called a loon for your beliefs, and spread the word. I post articles everyday on my FB page — have lost lots of “friends” because of it, but don’t care: this is too important.
    3. Learn to recognize not just the lies, but the FALSE PREMISES upon which Obama builds a case to convince otherwise-normal Americans to do and believe all kinds of things they wouldn’t normally believe or do! If you recognize & understand the false premises, you can argue your case with logic and conviction.
    4. ORGANIZE: Individuals with guns aren’t going to be able to defend against what Obama has planned for America. Small, well prepared “armies” with a plan may have a chance.
    5. If you’re told something that doesn’t make sense, don’t laugh it off as “dumb liberal logic” or crazy rightwing conspiracy theories: dig deeper, rely on your instincts and common sense. Question EVERYTHING.
    6. Remember that ALL conspiracy theories have at the very least some basis in truth.
    7. Don’t rely on government: government is the problem, not the solution.
    8. Pray that I’m wrong.

  • Sasja

    Obama’s EO’s would be in the 13400+ range. Look there for the ones he has signed.

  • Oliver

    #65 Shadow, I don’t usually waste my time arguing with trolls, but for the record:

    1. BG already corrected the record on the list of EO’s

    2. This “plan” has been in the works since before Obama was born. You’ll notice on p1 my post of “Communist Goals” dating to about the time the EO’s began. Coincidence?

  • shadow

    “Angst” is a word an educated man might use.

  • UpChuck.Liberals

    Of course our Dear Leader will make sure that HIS Militia has all the arms they need. I believe in Germany they were called the SS, in Russia the KGB, now they’re called the New Black Panthers.

  • gwhh

    And any of this surprise you how? Its SOP for the berry & company. Ram it home and hope no one notices. The one bright spot fot this is that is biden in charge. Gives me hope we can win this one!

  • shadow

    Check this list from 1963 called “Current Communist Goals”

    And who wrote that list?

  • Servo1969

    I’m worried.
    I don’t think Boehner could give less of a sh!t about our rights if he drank an entire bottle of Imodium.
    He’ll talk a bunch of garbage and act tough and then he’ll fold like a cheap suit.
    Then the GOP will say “We did all we could do.”
    Then the Repub’s and the Dem’s will all go have dinner somewhere nobody else can afford.

  • Oliver

    #72 Shadow: Do you know how to read? Click on a link?

    Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35

    January 10, 1963

    Current Communist Goals

    EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    Thursday, January 10, 1963

  • shadow

    You’ll notice on p1 my post of “Communist Goals” dating to about the time the EO’s began. Coincidence?

    And who decided that those were the goals of communists?

  • shadow

    #72 Shadow: Do you know how to read? Click on a link?
    I know where YOU got them from. I just wondering if you knew who wrote them?

  • Oliver

    #76 Shadow: Are you too lazy to do your own damn research?

    This is a version of the list of Communist Goals contained in The Naked Communist, a book written in 1958 by Cleon Skousen.

    Book Description
    Publication Date: 1961
    The Naked Communist was a best seller in the early 1960s, selling more than 1.5 million copies. It found its way into the libraries of the CIA, the FBI, the White House, and homes all across America and overseas in Spanish and excerpted in other languages.

    In this hard-hitting book an urgent need is finally fulfilled. In one exciting, readable volume, the incredible story of Communism is graphically told. We believe this to be the most vivid and comprehensive book on the subject ever published. It contains a distillation of more than a hundred books and treatises on Communism, many written by Marxist authors. We see the Communist the way he sees himself—stripped of propaganda and pretense. Hence the title, “The Naked Communist.” Here is explained Communism’s amazing appeal, its history, and its basic and unchanging concepts—even its secret time-table of conquest! Vital questions are clearly answered—Who gave Russia the A-bomb? How did the FBI fight the battle of the underground? Why did the West lose 600 million allies after World War II? What really happened in Korea? What is Communism’s great secret weapon? Is there an answer to Communism? What lies ahead?

  • Lim Lynn

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Mbuoi8a2I
    2nd Jan 2013 Special Alert Broadcast
    State Police Officer Lieutenant McCoy NC Pastor Butch Paugh

  • Oliver

    re: link at #78 (it’s a good one!):
    NC State Police: DOOR TO DOOR GUN Confiscation
    test runs & training has begun

  • Vicky Hernandez

    Ha! Remember this prophetic little ditty, courtesy of the Chicago Je$u$? And Dale was vilified for it. Boy, how prescient he was.

  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    shadow #69

    Pretentious and effete. Not necessarily educated.

  • shadow

    #76 Shadow: Are you too lazy to do your own damn research?

    Like I said, I just wondered if YOU knew where it came from. I figured you believed it to be an official government pronouncement, or perhaps discovered on some captured Soviet top-secret document, instead of what it really is, the opinion of one person, a far-right faith-based political theorist, who blamed “communist” for everything bad in the world … you know, the way you guys blame Obama.

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  • Lim Lynn

    @shadow
    that was a book written by a FBI agent to explain what’s going to happen to America in the future not a hearsay book.

  • Joanne

    I haven’t had a chance to read all the posts here, but there is one particular event or events that are going to make people feel very isolated and that will be the end of communications, whether, all cell phones, phones, internet, you name it, they will shut them down – at least the ones regular folk will need to use to coordinate anything. People should already be onto this in their areas, so they can be united in the fight.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: Lim Lynn #78 January 5, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    “Confiscation Could Be an Option”

    scroll thread for more..

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    shadow #82 January 5, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    re: [who blamed “communist” for everything bad in the world ]

    okay then, how’s about a totally unaffiliated
    unemotional statisticians stats and facts??

    HOW MANY DID COMMUNIST REGIMES MURDER?

    [In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century’s international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone–one communist country– well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.

    [..]

    How can we understand all this killing by communists? It is the marriage of an absolutist ideology with the absolute power. Communists believed that they knew the truth, absolutely. They believed that they knew through Marxism what would bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness. And they believed that power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, must be used to tear down the old feudal or capitalist order and rebuild society and culture to realize this utopia. Nothing must stand in the way of its achievement. Government–the Communist Party–was thus above any law. All institutions, cultural norms, traditions, and sentiments were expendable. And the people were as though lumber and bricks, to be used in building the new world.

    Constructing this utopia was seen as though a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism, and inequality. And for the greater good, as in a real war, people are killed. And thus this war for the communist utopia had its necessary enemy casualties, the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, wreckers, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, rich, landlords, and noncombatants that unfortunately got caught in the battle. In a war millions may die, but the cause may be well justified, as in the defeat of Hitler and an utterly racist Nazism. And to many communists, the cause of a communist utopia was such as to justify all the deaths. The irony of this is that communism in practice, even after decades of total control, did not improve the lot of the average person, but usually made their living conditions worse than before the revolution. It is not by chance that the greatest famines have occurred within the Soviet Union (about 5,000,000 dead during 1921-23 and 7,000,000 from 1932-3) and communist China (about 27,000,000 dead from 1959-61). In total almost 55,000,000 people died in various communist famines and associated diseases, a little over 10,000,000 of them from democidal famine. This is as though the total population of Turkey, Iran, or Thailand had been completely wiped out. And that something like 35,000,000 people fled communist countries as refugees, as though the countries of Argentina or Columbia had been totally emptied of all their people, was an unparalleled vote against the utopian pretensions of Marxism-Leninism.]

    more at link & here..

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    shadow #82 January 5, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    you could also munch on Ayers
    et al Communist manifesto.. :roll:

    Prairie Fire

    William Ayers Communist Manifesto

    “Without mass struggle there can be no revolution.
    Without armed struggle there can be no victory.”

    “We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle,
    give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new
    society.”

    “Our job is to tap the discontent seething in many sectors of the
    population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry,
    to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism.”

    “Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the
    rejection of empire and white supremacy. Socialism is the violent
    overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship
    of the proletariat, and the eradication of the social system based
    on profit.”

    [“There’s going to be a revolution,” Obama said, “we need to be organized and grow the movement.” In Obama’s view, our role must be to educate others so that we might usher in more quickly this inevitable revolution.]

    funny how Ayers views sort of crisscross with Obama’s isn’t it?? :roll:

    a bit more here & here, in connecting links & threads..

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  • shadow

    he doesn’t need respect, he has the EMOTION of 20 dead kids working for him.

    I don’t see that as being enough. Not at this time in our country.

  • Lim Lynn

    @Joanne
    What make me think harder is end of Internet and Satellite Phones if EMP attack happens.

  • http://teejaw.com TeeJaw

    Obama’s gun agenda, were he to get it, will be a great criminal enabling act. When Carolyn McCarthy got elected to Congress solely to avenge her husbands death on the Long Island Railroad at the hands of Colin Ferguson, I said if she ever gets everything she wants she will be assuring that the next Colin Ferguson will meet no more resistance than the first, and that other women’s husbands will be killed in the same manner. But Carolyn McCarthy will smile and swell with pride at her accomplishment.

  • BruceC

    As best I can tell, Obama has issued approximately 139 executive orders since taking office.

    The list of executive orders given that Obama supposedly signed was during the Kennedy, Johnson, and Ford administrations, during a a span from 1962 to 1976.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

    Now if someone else has proof that this is not the case please present it. Otherwise let’s tamp this down right now before we foment some whack job into doing something drastic. We have plenty of reasons to be alarmed, but let’s try to do some fact checking before we propagate more FUD.

  • Oliver

    #92 Bruce: see

    #68 January 5, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    Oliver commented:

    1. BG already corrected the record on the list of EO’s

    2. This “plan” has been in the works since before Obama was born. You’ll notice on p1 my post of “Communist Goals” dating to about the time the EO’s began. Coincidence?

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: Oliver #93 January 6, 2013 at 2:01 am

    re: [1. BG already corrected the record on the list of EO’s]

    just scroll up/down, wherever!! 😀

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: #94 January 6, 2013 at 3:16 am bg

    direct link..

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  • john graham

    to quote a line from an old movie…..LETS DANCE!!!!! I am ready to take OUR government back

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  • ChillytheAlaskan

    It’s not the NRA he plans on overwhelming, it’s the CONSTITUTION, the PEOPLE, and the RULE OF LAW.

    He is simply another lying communist in the mold of Chavez.

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  • AmericaWILL

    Woman Fires Back at Friend’s Stalker Ex
    http://www.wtvm.com/story/20411544/2012/12/22/woman-fires-back-in-shootout-with-friends-ex-boyfriend

    He might think twice before firing shots at people again.

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  • Nancy Scott

    Obama is the anti christ… How do you stop him? Washington is controlled by satan.