Newt Gingrich: “If Gun Control Works, Chicago Ought to Be Safe” (Video)

Newt Gingrich has the best line of the day.
While being prodded by CBS This Morning on gun control, Newt dropped this bomb,
“If gun control works, Chicago ought to be safe.”

** Zing** The morning show hosts immediately ended the conversation.

Weekly Standard has the transcript:

“Well, I think it’s amazing that we’re having all this discussion about gun control: The president’s hometown, Chicago, is the murder capital of the United States. Over 500 people were killed there last year. Vice President Biden doesn’t seem to want to go there. I’m trying to get the House Republicans to hold hearings there. It’s illegal to have all the guns that are killing people in Chicago. If gun control works, Chicago ought to be safe.”

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  • http://! l.barney

    Touche!

  • Sandy

    If there is still an enormous amount of murders in Chicago this year we won’t hear a thing about it from the well trained media unless they can find a way to blame Republicans.

  • shadow

    And if a proliferation of guns kept us safe, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

  • Ghost

    Ohhhhh, I thought they were saying, “controlling gang violence” but they’ve been saying, “controlling gun violence” –
    dang, silly me, I thought they were serious about protecting the good folks.
    I get it now! it’s really about controlling citizens, ain’t it? I’m smart, I am.

    still the best witness testimony you’ll ever see:
    http://theconservativemonster.com/?p=6243

  • ★FALCON★

    Obama took an oath to defend the Constitution.

    I think an impeachment is drawing near as the opposition finally mounts against this tyrant.

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  • Dave

    Good luck with that, Falcon. I adore how freaked out everyone is about the constitution. Ooo, this sacred text is being fooled around with – oh no, how will we survive?

  • shadow

    I think an impeachment is drawing near as the opposition finally mounts against this tyrant.

    Perhaps you should hold your breath.

  • Economan

    It’s the left who has blood on it’s hands. They’ve turned schools and cities into shooting galleries yet they continue to ignore the evidence and push for more dead bodies.

  • bear

    #3, shadow,

    A proliferation of guns in the hands of LEGAL owners has kept hundreds of millions of Americans safe.

    A proliferation of illegal guns in the hands of thugs has killed thousands of other thugs and others in gun-free zones.

  • General Martok

    But the bigger story is that the murders in Chicago actually take place in a few black and Latino neighborhoods see this chart from NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/02/us/chicago-killings.html?ref=us

    52.2% of homicides in America are committed by blacks; most by black males between the ages of 18 and 49 who comprise about 3% of the population.

    3% of the population is committing over 50% of the violent gun crime, put your minds around that

  • bear

    #8, shadow,

    Your support of tyranny speaks volumes re your lack of regard for OUR unalienable rights.

  • wtd

    Gingrich is correct but shouldn’t limit this theory to just one example.

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  • Dave

    #10, Bear – wouldn’t you like to make it harder for there to be illegal guns on the streets, then? Where did these illegal guns come from – were they legally purchased at some point? According to former ATF Director Bradley Buckles, virtually every crime gun in the US starts off as a legal firearm.

    Also, we clearly can’t trust each other to keep legally purchased guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. We may have been given rights, but if we aren’t responsible with those rights, then we don’t deserve them. And I know, I know, Hitler will be coming for me, blah blah blah…

  • Lady Mondegreen

    And if Newt Gingrich were half as smart as he think himself to be, he would be president.

  • Joanne

    Democrat politicians do not care about blacks. Chicago has a large black population with a high black on black crime- just guessing….am I right….hah! Democrat politicians do not care if black people shoot each other dead or abort all their babies. Blacks are the largest population of useful idiots for the democrat party. Maybe one day black people in the U.S. will wake up and realize they’ve been used….I pray they do; it is horrible to witness.

    Gingrich is such a wealth of information and the brilliance to see and state the obvious.

    #11 – Wow. How many of those blacks do not have a father or even know who their father is. The family unit has completely broken down in these black families. They seriously need some real men as fathers to kick their son’s backsides.

  • BurmaShave

    ** Zing** The morning show hosts immediately ended the conversation.

    +++++++++++++++

    Well, at least Newt got the last word, something that does not always happen

    Actually Drudge and GatewayPundit have, by highlighting Chicago’s absolutely atrocious murder rate, been making the same point as Newt indirectly for weeks and months; but I guess one has to essentially whack these thoroughly biased beltway liberals “upside the head” to get their attention.

  • jtb012u340

    #11, General Martok – Yes, this country was ruined by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. America wanted to be run by Apartheid (minority ruling majority – the one black girl who wouldn’t get on the back of the bus) so God will oblige. Integration is the EXACT way Old Testament Israel was destroyed and run over by the likes of Nebuchadnezzar, Sennacherib, Titus and the rest. Take a guess what color and race all those enemies of Israel were? They were all North African Egyptian Hammites through the sons of Ham. God is so clear about this in the Bible it is mind blowing.

    Just remember, it was Jews crying for Civil Rights and Religious Liberties under Moses while they were being enslaved by Pharaoh (North African Egyptian Hamite). And, God intervened on their behalf. Its coming again. Guess who surrounds Israel (and us) again? The same old same old. It originally started with Nimrod.

  • BurmaShave

    @#3 Shadow:

    Actually, Shallow Shadow, it’s a safe bet that if enough good people in Chicago had guns, instead of just the criminal Democratic voters on the South Side, there would have been a lot more lives saved than just a mere 20 or so.

    And it’s another safe bet that the above comment is totally lost on you.

  • BurmaShave

    #16 Lady Mondegreen commented:

    And if Newt Gingrich were half as smart as he think himself to be, he would be president.

    ++++++++++++++++

    Really? Does that mean you would have voted for him?

  • General Martok

    @ #17 Joanne

    Of the 500 murders in Chicago, blacks committed 75% of those (with the vast majority of their victims being fellow blacks) and Latinos (majority of their victims being fellow Latinos) committed 23%. The other 2% were committed by Asians and whites

    Here are pictures of the victims:

    http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2012-chicago-murders

    Crime committed by blacks is outrageously disproportionate relative to their share of the population. THAT is where the REAL conversation is, but we can’t have THAT conversation.

  • Sarah2016

    Sad, NY has been a very safe city over the last decade, easy to walk around after midnight in well lit areas like Times Square…now, after the political opportunist Gov Cuomo arrogantly & rashly instituted the latest absurdly strict gun-control laws yesterday against law-abiding citizens, I’m afraid the Chicago style gangs & new crime will follow. Good way to kill a city…high taxes & less safe streets.

  • myohmy

    And the media are so delusional to believe that they can create a utopian society and everybody will sing kumbaya.

  • sablegsd

    “And if a proliferation of guns kept us safe, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.”

    No, if regressive commiecrats such as yourself hadn’t decimated the justice system with your BS empathy for savages, life in prison would be life in prison and death would be death. In less than 6 months, not decades. Jackass.

  • lincoln’s widow

    Responsibility and accountability. Two words the gop/tp applies to everyone but themselves. Register your guns and be held to a standard of accountability for their whereabouts 7/24/365. Too many guns fall into the hands of too many numbnuts. Legal guns turn into illegal guns because of the slack arse enforcement of the laws already on the books. Schools and malls and theatres and workplaces will not become shooting galleries saturated with guns. The citizenry will not stand for your deusional paranoia much longer. We can do this with or without you. This isn’t the frikin wild wild west. Wake up to yourself.

  • Vicky Hernandez

    Suuuuu-eet!
    Bout time someone with some Belt-way cred tell the Obama-protecting press that it’s Sandyhook in Chicago every weekend.

  • owl

    #16 Yep, pest. He really should be president. My dog would make a better one than the one we have.

    Could we hire Newt? Let Boehner call a news conference right behind the Nasty Preacher in Chief Who Uses & Abuses Small Children, and then turn it over to Newt. Then let Boehner say “Thank you very much, you guys.”

    Someone needs to give the Elected Voices a clue. You have exactly 2 years to get out from under your desks and fight like Newt. You have exactly 2 years to create he** for Obama & Holder. If you can not stir enough REAL trouble to keep them busy, shut your nice mouths and only let the Newts out, you are OUT. Get it? Defund everything that walks if it is connected to the WH. EVERYTHING. Then vote yourselves HUGE HUGE pay cuts. Got it? Defund them.

    You might as well. Your ratings are zero. He has wiped the floor with your azzzzes. He will continue to wipe the floor with your azzes if you do not make his life he** every minute of your remaining 2 years. At least make your side happy.

    Psst………………..Obama did not win the election. Did you even question it? Did you do anything about the crimes committed? Btw……………how did stretching out Fast & Furious work for you????? How did your inaction on Benhazi work out for you? You are allowing Obama & Holder to preach to us when you allowed them to KILL hundreds in Mexico. Little kids.

    Can we hire Newt?

  • owl

    #26……………..you are freaking nuts.

    I just watched a Bruce Willis movie. I mention it because of your blindness. Newt told it like it really is in Obama’s hometown. They have laws. Music, movies, games and all you nuts running around and all you can see is guns????????????

    The day I see a liberal take responsibility for their own business and get their collective noses out of everyone else’s, would be a good start. You are freaking crazy to talk about guns. It is the liberal world that has created this monster and then you absolutely will not take responsibility for it. You have made it impossible to send the mentally sick to the hospital. Impossible. You give them the rights and if you think there is help out there…………you are crazy. What do you do with a bi-polar teenager that you are scared to even live with in your home? I just threw that out because I knew a family that lived through it but no thanks to the law and government. That kid would even threaten to call the police on her parents if they did not do what she wanted. From what I observed, I would not wish all that help on my enemy.

    Liberals. They create the mess……….point their fingers of blame…………..and move right on because they are blind.

    Someone is pulling the trigger. Your village created these someones. Your liberal schools, movies, laws, music videos, games created those trigger fingers and you make it almost impossible for the parents that need the help. Now you want to attack the non-criminals.

    You just keep on pointing and blaming the gun.

  • lincoln’s widow

    “belt way cred”. That is hilarious. Gingrich has the integrity of a dust bunny. Ask any of his previous wives. What you people consider credible, conservative and family values is amazing. Trump and Gingrich…two shining paragons of everything Right about the RIGHT. snark

    maybe when you folks get some real integrity within your ranks then you can tell the rest of us what to do. Until then put a sock in it.

  • Highlander

    Why am I not surprised that Dave has no respect for the Constitution? This country desperately needs a good house cleaning …

  • Highlander

    And a list of all the shining examples of intelligence and integrity in the Democrat party would be ….. ?

    Ummm….

    Ummm ….

    Ummmmm …

    That’s what I thought ….

  • Flintstone F.

    Wow, all the trolls like this thread.

    A proliferation of guns did make us safer except in those places where there are the most restrictive gun laws (criminals with guns, law abiding citizens forbidden from protecting themselves).

    The constitution is our freedom. Our military give their lives protecting our freedoms everyday. I’m sure they don’t appreciate people like Dave who belittle it or anybody concerned about its integrity.

    Way to be Dave. Look up the word “principle” in the dictionary.

    Lincoln’s widow, you’ve got nothing. You’ve said nothing. Have a sock yourself.

  • lincoln’s widow

    ^—–What a limp wristed retort. this article is about Gingrich. Deflect much?

  • jorgen

    Exactly! Why is Newt not Speaker of the House? He can explain things so even the masses can understand them and he is not impressed with the affirmative-action president.

  • Lim Lynn

    Gun control implemented innocent witness of criminal acts daily lives American citizens shouldn’t work. Biden and Traitor in Chief are scared to die when they ban gun on criminals who was a gangster member Mafia style Mexican Gang Cartel.

  • shadow

    Your support of tyranny speaks volumes re your lack of regard for OUR unalienable rights.

    And your concept of what comprises tyranny speaks volumes of your mental state. Obama hasn’t done anything that former presidents haven’t done. The “assault weapon” ban he is suggesting is not without precedent, and I don’t recall any “tyrants” being driven from office.

  • shadow

    It is the liberal world that has created this monster and then you absolutely will not take responsibility for it.

    Interesting theory. Liberalism is the reason for gun violence. Let’s see how that holds up. Let’s pick a liberal country … say, the Netherlands. It doesn’t get more liberal than that. Now, how many guns do they have? And what is the gun homicide rate?

    So they have 3.9 guns per 100 people and 0.2 gun homicides per 100,000. How does that compare to the US? We have 88.8 guns per 100 people and 3.6 homicides per 100,000. Yup, it must be liberalism.

  • Jim Scrummy

    “Shecky” Gingrich…he’ll be here all week folks. Please be generous to our waitstaff, because Obamacare cut their hours….

  • Dave

    “A proliferation of guns did make us safer except in those places where there are the most restrictive gun laws (criminals with guns, law abiding citizens forbidden from protecting themselves).”

    Can you give me some evidence of where proliferation of guns had a DIRECT impact on citizens’ safety? And I mean you are able to rule out every other factor that might have affected public safety.

    ONCE AGAIN, since you won’t listen the first time – where do the criminals get their illegal guns? These illegal guns were, at one time, purchased legally. If I make one county dry, I wonder if the wet county next door to me will see an increase in alcohol sales…

    I respect the Constitution and hold it in high regard, but that doesn’t change the fact some portions of the Constitution need to be changed – need to be amended. It is not an infallible document.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/longterm/wallace/wallace1129.htm Valerie

    #15 January 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm
    Dave commented:

    “#10, Bear – wouldn’t you like to make it harder for there to be illegal guns on the streets, then? ”

    Yes, like the Barack Obama administration did with its Operation Fast & Furious. That worked well, didn’t it?

    We have the laws. What we don’t have is honest enforcement from our Federal government.

  • Highlander

    FINE. Then AMEND IT DAVE!! Get your lawful majority together, if it exists, and effect change. However, I happen to disagree with you. I’m of the opinion that the anti-firearm majority you dream of DOESN’T EXIST, so just BRING IT ON and we’ll see who’s right. We’re only trying to stop the Constitution from being TRAMPLED unlawfully, by zealots like you. We are, in fact, doing you a FAVOR when we demand that the Constitution be protected, but apparently, you’re too obsessed with your agenda to see that…

  • Rock

    More laws and restrictions on lawful citizens, and the day after we see this.

    NORRISTOWN, Pa. (AP) — A former Ivy League professor who pleaded guilty to beating his wife to death as she wrapped Christmas presents is set to be paroled.

    http://www.heraldstandard.com/united_states_ap/former-penn-prof-who-killed-wife-set-to-be-paroled/article_1134481b-29fa-52f6-ad50-125a9d33509d.html

  • Dave

    #42 Yes, I’m so obsessed with my agenda of being a high school teacher who DOESN’T get shot to death by a mentally ill man who obtained a firearm legally and wasn’t able to be stopped by armed guards because they’re not superhuman. There was an armed guard at Columbine. 12 students and a teacher dead. Did that guard, Sheriff Neil Gardner, save some lives by being present? Perhaps – whether or not his engaging Harris and Klebold staved off additional murders by them is unknowable. But again, 12 students and a teacher.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/longterm/wallace/wallace1129.htm Valerie

    Far more to the point: how do we protect our schoolchildren? The schoolchildren — remember them? What do we do to protect them?

    We could try admitting that de-institutionalizing our crazy people has had a bad effect.

    http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2012/12/apropos_the_dis.html

    We could try to think of violence against the innocent as a real possibility, and deal with it.

    h/t Bigkahuna

    http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/ http://tinyurl.com/c9xtq5z

    “How many kids have been killed by school fire in all of North America in the past 50 years? Kids killed… school fire… North America… 50 years… How many? Zero. That’s right. Not one single kid has been killed by school fire anywhere in North America in the past half a century. Now, how many kids have been killed by school violence?”

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/longterm/wallace/wallace1129.htm Valerie

    #16 January 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm
    Lady Mondegreen commented:

    If you were half as smart as you think you are, you’d have voted for him.

  • Rock

    Dems are all about the children correct? Yet their Party Platform embraces abortion. Hypocrites, liars, and baby killers. Great trifecta.

    Experts believe there are more than 1 million abortions performed nationwide each year, but because of the incomplete reporting, the CDC had reports of about 785,000 in 2009.

    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/21/15338488-us-abortions-fall-5-percent-biggest-drop-in-a-decade?lite

  • American

    Here’s the stats: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/oracetab.cfm

    As you can see it’s mostly black males killing each other. No surprises here. Obama is issuing unconstitutional unilateral decrees to rob all Americans of their liberties because blacks won’t stop killing each other. That’s the bottom line.

  • Rock

    #45 January 17, 2013 at 10:08 am
    Valerie commented: Kids killed… school fire… North America… 50 years… How many? Zero.
    ___________________________________________________________________

    Bad idea to use absolutes, a little more digging might be useful.
    http://article.wn.com/view/2012/06/05/School_Fire_Kills_One_Injures_15_Pupils/

  • shadow

    Actually, Shallow Shadow, it’s a safe bet that if enough good people in Chicago had guns, instead of just the criminal Democratic voters on the South Side, there would have been a lot more lives saved than just a mere 20 or so.
    Hey! Great idea. Let’s write a law so that only “good” people can have guns.

  • shadow

    If you were half as smart as you think you are, you’d have voted for him.

    That’s probably true. He was very popular amongst the voters who were half as smart as they thought they were.

  • averagemelon

    Holy crap! You mean all those gun laws currently on the books aren’t working? A few more should work!

    If a nation has 50 million cars on the road every day, do you think a few people might die from them?
    If there are 80 million eggs consumed in a nation every day, a few might get sick from semonilla?
    If 300 million ovens are turned on in the kitchen every day in this country, do you think a few houses might burn down?
    Yes, guns are inherently dangerous but so is the electricity running through our homes. MOSTLY, MOSTLY, MOSTLY GUNS PROTECT people from violence. GOOD PEOPLE PROTECT with guns and only the criminal uses it to a VIOLENT means. Eliminating all guns WILL NOT ELIMINATE THE CRIMINAL VIOLENCE, criminals will only choose another weapon. Removing all guns WILL eliminate a nation of GOOD PEOPLE capable of defending their nation against many, many, many forms of evil. As long as there are guns in the hands of its citizentry, the army of American people remains SAFE from the world. Obama’s children enjoy safety at school THROUGH THE POWER OF FIREARMS. Our childen and teachers should too.

  • Flintstone F.

    Dave,

    Where people are able to freely exercise their constitutional rights in owning and carrying guns, violent gun crime is much lower than in those areas with restrictive gun laws.

    You need to be aware of your own distinctions implications. At some point most every single gun ever made was legal and it was the gun laws that made them illegal. So someone to obtain a gun, that they are not allowed to have for being a felon or some other assessed risk that could be discovered in a background check, is criminal for possessing the gun. The gun could still be legally owned.

    You simply state the reality that some people break the law and some otherwise law abiding citizens might unintentionally do something stupid and break a law or cause someone to be hurt or killed. Fact of life. You can’t legislate people to have common sense.

    What all this says Dave, is that it’s the person, not the gun. You try to make it seem as if mass shootings at schools are commonplace. I count 50 innocent victims in the last 17 years or so, just off the top of my head with bizarre mass shooting attempts at schools. Throw in the theater shooting in CO. and the number goes up to 67 people. That’s horrible and tragic, but not commonplace. Also, these are places where the innocent people were knowingly unarmed. One of the victims I count was a single student held hostage and eventually shot once in the head with a shotgun. Not a mass shooting, not an illegal gun, just a really bad person.

    Homicides using guns is down 50% in the US over the last 20 years. The biggest problems are in Chicago, DC. Restrictive gun laws = high gun crime. Constitutional rights upheld = low gun crime. 2+2=4.

    Lincoln’s widow,

    The reason for my “limp-wristed” retort was because of all the problems in your post. Your starting point is in accepting as reasonable, the federal government being allowed to track my whereabouts and purchases of guns a bullets. Again, you liberals are just plain dumb. Criminals don’t comply with the law. The federal government has no right to know what I’m doing on a day to day basis. If you want that, go to the Soviet Union.

    What are you going to say when they track you to assess your unhealthy eating habits? They’ll have your health records, they’ll deny you services for being a glutton who can’t control his disorder of craving McDonald’s fries. The fries are the problem? Better limit a small fry to contain no more the 9 french fries (and if there is an extra long one it counts as two and the burnt ones are just the luck of the draw, too bad).

  • Dave

    Flinstone,

    Provide me with data that proves conclusively that widespread access to firearms were the sole contributing factor to crime reduction in an area. If you can’t, then you’re talking out of your hat and are unable to prove that the proliferation of guns has saved lives. I, however, can point to well-documented incidents where legally available guns took lives and/or failed to save.

    You count 67 – that’s 67 deaths caused because firearms were legally available. It may be over 17 years, but 67 is far too commonplace for my tastes. And in one of those instances, at Columbine, there was an armed response, an armed guard on duty, and 13 died. You may say “oh, it’s only 13,” but those were 13 human beings. What if those guns hadn’t been legally available? Would 13 lives have been lost that day? You must admit that you care more about your personal right to firearms than you do for the lives of your fellow humans.

  • Flintstone F.

    #54 January 17, 2013 at 4:10 pm
    Dave commented:

    Flinstone,

    Provide me with data that proves conclusively that widespread access to firearms were the sole contributing factor to crime reduction in an area. If you can’t, then you’re talking out of your hat and are unable to prove that the proliferation of guns has saved lives. I, however, can point to well-documented incidents where legally available guns took lives and/or failed to save.

    You count 67 – that’s 67 deaths caused because firearms were legally available. It may be over 17 years, but 67 is far too commonplace for my tastes. And in one of those instances, at Columbine, there was an armed response, an armed guard on duty, and 13 died. You may say “oh, it’s only 13,” but those were 13 human beings. What if those guns hadn’t been legally available? Would 13 lives have been lost that day? You must admit that you care more about your personal right to firearms than you do for the lives of your fellow humans.

    You first Dave. You don’t like the truth so just like Piers Morgan, you move the goal post. Why don’t you see the connection to restrictive gun laws and their detrimental effects on law abiding citizens? Why do you completely ignore facts of life? You can’t legislate common sense. Why do you gloss over the problem I pointed out with your “legal guns” canard?

    You say you want me to prove “conclusively” something being the “sole” reason. I never offered that as reality. I offered the statistics that have been discussed here ad nauseam which show a tremendous increase in gun crime as a result of restrictive gun laws. You are an educator, you should be able to add 2+2. You should also know that there are countless variables to consider when taking on the ills of a free and open society. The black and white I present is to drive home the point that punishing law abiding citizens doesn’t stop the violence.

    You’re emoting. You’re not using logic and reason and all of your emotionally charged concerns just sit there waiting for you to come with an answer yourself.

    The 67 deaths I refer to and by the way 26 of them tragically lost their lives just a few weeks ago, were the result of disturbed people wielding deadly weapons. It was not caused by legal guns. That’s a canard you keep repeating that tells me you think the gun itself is responsible. And don’t put words into my mouth about the deaths of people at Columbine, I don’t belittle any wrongful death, but I do know the definition of commonplace. Again Dave, you’re an educator you should be careful with your words.

    Did putting over the counter medication prevent people from making illegal drugs? No. But it sure did a lot to get people to stare at me when I have to sign my name and listen to a speech by the pharmacist reminding me that it’s illegal to use this in the manufacture of other drugs. Problem still there, law abiding citizen made to suffer for it.

    You ask “what if those guns hadn’t been legally available?” I don’t know Dave, I don’t have a crystal ball to look into an alternate universe. All I have Dave, is the constitution and the violent gun crime statistics that support my position. All you have are ad hominem attacks on my character and selective data to satiate your unintelligent stance on the topic.

    You’re probably not a very good teacher.

  • Flintstone F.

    Jim should add an edit feature here. My post above begins with “Your first Dave.”

  • AuntieMadder

    “If Gun Control Works, Chicago Ought to Be Safe”

    Leave it to ol’ Newty to sum it up in one sentence.

  • Lim Lynn

    @Flintstone F
    True about that since we did spelling mistakes and forgotten a few punctuation marks.

  • Dave

    HAHAHA – I love how you end with an ad hominem attack, having just accused me of the same. Brilliant.

    It was tough to get your point about legal guns because that paragraph was so poorly written, but you’re right – the guns used at the Columbine massacre were illegal, but they had been purchased legally. The guns Adam Lanza stole had been legal. Guns used in Chicago, where guns laws are so restrictive, are illegal, but at some point, they were purchased legally. Let’s face it, it would be impossible to ban guns in this country, and I don’t think that’s the answer. The numbers of guns privately owned currently make that clear. But, why are you so opposed to exploring any possible options to reduce the illegal transfer of weapons in this country? What can we do to curtail straw purchases? Would you just throw up your hands without thinking of a possible solution?

    Of course, gun thefts, such as when Lanza stole his mothers guns, are another issue, however it’s a problem that accounts for a low number of gun crimes – around 5%, I believe I read. Again, it just seems like the right wishes to throw up its hands and admit that there’s nothing to be done about legal guns being available to unstable individuals.

    There’s a ton of evidence we could both provide on either side as to whether gun control is effective. I could point to countries with gun control and a very low instance of gun crime. Some would prefer to say that statistics in other countries with restrictive guns are either inconclusive, or they prove the opposite. For instance, Switzerland’s rate of gun crime is low despite their gun ownership rates being comparable to the United States. Maybe this tells us that legal or not, availability of guns does not affect crime rates directly. Murder rates are higher in European countries with restrictive gun laws, but not murders by gun. So, is gun control effective in curbing murder rates? No, because you’re right, it’s not the gun but the person. Would OVERALL murder rates drop with some other measures of gun control? Probably not, but let’s see what would have happened had Adam Lanza tried to strangle 26 people last month.

    Was it legal to board an airplane with a box cutter before 9/11? I’m comparing apples to oranges, sure, but does it take that many citizens dead to institute security measures that reduce our personal freedoms? What’s the number? And again, I will freely admit that banning all guns outright is a fool’s errand. But, are we not intelligent enough to come up with a solution to this problem? The solution the right has presented, the proliferation of guns, won’t work. It won’t stop this from happening again. We can’t accept this as an inevitability.

  • Flintstone F.

    Dave,

    You are slow. But I would never accuse you of not caring about innocent people being murdered.

    Legal, illegal is irrelevant. You still don’t get it. There are laws in place to prevent illegal gun transfers. Your entire argument was that mass shootings happen because of a lack of gun control. You’re wrong. Put all the gun laws in place you want and the mass shooting could still occur. Most of the time the question of legality of the gun refers to the person in possession of the gun. Feel good gun restrictions make up the rest of it.

    Disarming and tracking lawful citizens is not going to change that. So stop presenting unconstitutional remedies to the problem and stop exaggerating.

    You came in yelling about gun crime being rampant. You tried to present the mass murders as commonplace. You’re wrong. Gun crime is down 50% in the US over the last 20 years. Gun crime is highest in the cities where we have the most restrictive laws.

    2+2=4.

    By the way my first paragraph was just a series of straightforward questions.

  • forrest gump

    Dear Newt, Cudos A perfect and logical delaying tactic from your true masters and whom you have always represented, any comments on fracking as well or will that come tomorrow. You must be in a great quandry by now, how can you support the wishes of your masters in the pharmeucitcal industry and the NRA, and still keep the majority of tha American people stupidly beleiving the government is watching over these industries for the well being and saftey of the American people