It Figures. Liberal Media Already Pushing Death Panels for Fat People and Smokers

We were warned.
The liberal media is already pushing a plan to let “health sinners” – like fat people and smokers – die without health care treatments.

Maybe they’ll make them secret death panels like in Great Britain where a national audit found that half of dying patients placed on the controversial “Liverpool Care Pathway” are never told that life-saving treatment has been withdrawn. Each year 57,000 patients die without being told life-saving treatments have been stopped.

The worries about Liverpool Care Pathway arise from reports that it is sometimes invoked without informing either the patient or family. (Photo: Alamy)

The AP reported:

Faced with the high cost of caring for smokers and overeaters, experts say society must grapple with a blunt question: Instead of trying to penalize them and change their ways, why not just let these health sinners die?

Annual health care costs are roughly $96 billion for smokers and $147 billion for the obese, the government says. These costs accompany sometimes heroic attempts to prolong lives, including surgery, chemotherapy and other measures.

But despite these rescue attempts, smokers tend to die 10 years earlier on average, and the obese die five to 12 years prematurely, according to various researchers’ estimates.

And attempts to curb smoking and unhealthy eating frequently lead to backlash: Witness the current legal tussle over New York City’s first-of-its-kind limits on the size of sugary beverages and the vicious fight last year in California over a ballot proposal to add a $1-per-pack cigarette tax, which was ultimately defeated.

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  • Anonerik

    They have a very valid point. Every health care dollar spent on people
    whose habits are self destructing is one more dollar that Obama, his cronies and the ever-growing statist bureaucracy can’t piss away for us. We can’t have that, now can we?

  • Kate

    Liberals…caring, tolerant and love the misfortunate. What total BS. More appropriate is Liberals…my way or the highway, please die and save us the problem of dealing with you.

  • http://israelsurvivalupdates.com Kenny Solomon

    You gotta tell ’em…… Soylent Green is people !

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    Anyone see Logan ?…… He’s 35 today.

    — — — —

    Naaaaaaah…… None of that can happen here.

    Not even ‘death panels’.

    — — — —

    Bad Libs, bad Dems, whatcha gonna do when they come for you too ?

    Remember…… You don’t “need” a 30-rd mag for your firearm…… Nor “need” a pickup truck…… Nor a 5-bdrm home either.

    No you don’t.

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    — — — —

    Are we having fun yet ?

  • ALL_IS_LOST

    Well, I am a goner.

    But why just fatties and smokers? What about bull riders, and mountain climbers? What about the people who don’t take vitamins? What about the jerks who decide to live past SS retirement age?

    Those that exercise often also have more doctor vists due to structural problems and the like so off them too.

    It was one thing to pay more for my treatment based on my health, but now I will have no choice.

  • mark1973

    Now you know one of the main reason’s these marxist’s/islamist’s in Both political party’s who now run our Country, would like to take our Firearms away. If these Genocidal Monster’s actually try to implement any of these policies while we still have our Firearms, there will be Heck to pay!

  • Anonerik

    After the progressives get rid of the elderly, the infirm, the disabled, the addicts and the dissenters who do you suppose they will choose next? The Georgia Guidestones is a mysterious Progressive monument on which are carved ten “commandments” for a “New Age of Reason”. The first commandment? Maintaining the world population under 500 million people because that is “sustainable”.
    Included, of course, is their goal of one world governance.
    Baby steps now, goose steps later.

  • J. Knight

    I’ll bet good money that the ones making these suggestions will place exceptions for themselves in the legislation and death panels. Reminds me of the old Soviet gulag system. Of course, they can do nothing so long as we’re armed, thus the great push “forward” by the dufus in the WH.

  • JenBee

    Obamacare has made it legal and acceptable for government to control all aspects of your life.

  • Gary A

    AP= part of the White House PR department.
    And who didn’t see this coming?

    @#4 Kenny Solomon. I enjoyed the link, thanks!

  • Mad Hatter

    If these people are going to be categorized as “health sinners” due to their high cost, isn’t it only fair to categorize people coming into our country illegally as “border sinners’? After all, they’re costing the tax payers billions per year.

  • Adi

    Their Messiah is a big smoker. Maybe we should start with Him.

  • stuart

    Well, they will carve out exceptions for people like Chris Christy (aka fatso), and Barry the King of Choom. For that matter exceptions will be the rule for all our Sturmbahnfurhers and Gauleiters.

    God I am beginning to miss the Third Reich. What’s not to like? Snappy uniforms, stirring marches and a much better taste in popular music.
    But I guess it has to be that way. The SS would look pretty silly if they had chanted Hip Hop lyrics as they marched along.

  • Taliena

    As a smoker, I pay an extra $35 per month on my health insurance. I believe it is only rational that the morbidly obese be penalized too.

  • http://Americanthinker paul

    it might be a good idea to be a registered democrat prior to checking into a hospital. Just sayin’.

  • RS

    So why is it we hear NO words about letting AIDS patients die from THEIR lifestyle disease?

  • Stella Baskomb

    “Annual health care costs are roughly $96 billion for smokers and $147 billion for the obese, the government says.”

    This was all predictable (and was predicted, years ago). You see, it’s because now, with Obamacare, the government must pay for the treatment of the medical conditions that result from behavior it deems “risky.” It can raise taxes. Or it can try to squash the risky behaviors.

    Well guess what.

    And if you believe it will stop with these, you are dreaming.

    In fact, the government might one day do something so trivial as regulating the size of soft-drink cups.

    What’s that you say?

    Oh, right.

  • jainphx

    You must know that this type of reasoning is Liberal. they and they alone know how people should live, what they should eat or not eat. They and they alone know what to or not to drink, and in what size. Simply put, it all goes back to them thinking there is no god but them, they can take unborn life, just for the good of all you know. They never stop to think they are wrong! NO they are never wrong (god complex) and if there are unforseen happenings due there agenda, its well that’s life, or what difference does it make.
    Some here and at other blogs, took exception to Sarah Palin coining the term “death panels” went so far as to say “why she’s just plain crazy” who’s crazy now? Just either don’t get old or stay healthy because some one is going to judge if you live or be put down like an animal. I spit at all of them.

  • Lim Lynn

    Traitor in Chief and his band of hippies already listed every possible illness and bad habits [smokers overeating fat people]. Whether if they become fat and smokers wonder how will they be treated.

  • steve clark

    WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!! Folks, cigarette smokers and obese folks who die ~10 earlier than people with healthier lifestyles DO NOT COST MORE HEALTHCARE DOLLARS. THEY SAVE US MONEY. A cancer patient, regardless whether they smoke or not, cost a lot of money to care for. The savings come when the smoking cancer patient dies 10 years early. That is 10 years of healthcare they then do not receive. And that 10 years of health care at the end of life is very expensive. By dying early, those 10 years of elder care is not needed, hence the savings. Healthcare economists have proven this time and again. The nonsense that smokers and the obese are a drag on healthcare costs is an urban legend that is propagated by ignorant people who are basing their viewpoints and policies on intuition rather than fact.

  • Julie

    I am a nurse, and have taken care of SO many who continue bad health habits in spite of being told how these things are to their detriment…. Personally, I don’t think it is fair for my tax dollars to pay for people who want to commit suicide by fork or smoke…The way things are heading, Medicare will not reimburse hospitals and home care agencies for people who are rehospitalized…a lot of this due to non-compliance… There is something to be said for trying to keep yourself in good health so you do not need the health care system….

  • jainphx

    Third party payments are the scourge of us all. Colleges know that the government will loan students money for education! Knowing this, what has happened to tuition all across the country.. Health care and Pharmacuticals are now guaranteed, what has happened to the cost of it. I have a congestive heart condition, for which I spent 11 days in hospital, the bill came to 51,000 dollars, with treatment and etc from other sources the bill came to almost 100,000 dollars. can you see now why they want to cut this outlay down drastically. How best to do that, why just let these people die that’s how. We now have older people in parts of Europe being “put down” like animals. It’s coming here and fast. Englands social medicine stance has caused a long wait to be treated, most dying before even being seen by a “Government” doctor. They just love playing god.

  • B.O. don’t know diddley squat

    Smokers pay billions in cig. taxes because of unhealthty lifestyle,to offset heathcare cost to them.
    I get that

    If you deny them heathcare when they need it,why tax them in the first place..sounds hypocritical

    It almost sounds like the Govt. scammed the people so the taxes could really pay for some special interrest groups agenda…that could never happen..(sarc)

    This looks like a lawsuit for one of those 3am commercial lawyers

  • Zed

    I’m guessing HIV contracted from sources other than transfusions, methadone centers, non rape/incest abortions, … will meet a similar fate.

  • ChillytheAlaskan

    How about homosexuals who get AIDS from their “behavior”, same for IV drug users?

    How about not wasting money on transexuals who are obviously “defective”, just “terminate” them to save health care costs.

    Good article here.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/the_logic_of_the_progressive_healthcare_death_cult.html

  • macc

    here is the crux of the coming death panels:

    #21 January 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    Julie commented:

    “Personally, I don’t think it is fair for my tax dollars to pay for people who want to commit suicide by fork or smoke”

    “my tax dollars”

    when the .gov is the dispenser of goods and services under nationalized health care. tax money is used to provide said services regardless if smoking, overeating, cancer, MS, any terminal disease and finally the elderly.

    the .gov will decide who lives and who dies!

    and see how quick the public becomes incensed and callous at how their money gets spent?

    where is this same sentiment about “my tax dollars” in the 100s of $billions in the green energy scam? where is the sentiment on “my tax dollars” in the $billions supplying heavy artillery and F16s to muslim terrorist groups in the mid east? this list can go on!

  • Joe Blow

    Maybe they think the fat and smokers are Republicans. They would do it for that reason alone. Sounds like one of their elitist groups did a study and that is what they determined. If that is the case, too bad they don’t let the drug problems go as they are Democrats.

  • Truth Teller

    This is racist….more overweight blacks and Hispanics than whites.

    What are you going to do now, Obama?

  • paul52

    Paging Michael Moore…. Paging Michael Moore.

  • Lim Lynn

    http://theadvocate.com/news/5009318-123/senator-la-lawmakers-to-discuss
    Senator LA Legislators wrong time Autumn 2012.
    Socialist Democrat Commie may have wanted to tax before people die.

  • Sasja

    Gee, I know some people who never smoked, drank, nor frequented houses of ill-repute and suffered heart disease, stroke and cancer. I know smokers who have never taken a sick day but their co-workers who don’t smoke, seem to be off sick alot. I also know some smokers who, after years (they’re in their late 70’s) of smoking really need to quit. There are some chronically ill children who will require years of health care. What do you suppose is going to happen to them when they become “too expensive to treat?”

    That any government not be involved in health care, or health insurance, should have been a no-brainer but sadly, too many people are willing to give up their liberty and hand their lives over to an unseen, uncaring, bureaucrat. And for what? I cannot think of one benefit.

  • Sasja

    All the obese Chris Christies, Michael Moores, Oprah Winfrey’s etal, have enough money so they will be able to pay for their own health care. It’s the poor and middle class who will be subjected
    to the indignities and abuse this system will provide.

  • http://facebook leroy palmer

    it will be a cold day in hell and would have to pry my ciggs and my gun from my cold dead hands and even than thay will have trouble doing now stick that in your pipes and smoke it

  • Sherry

    This is hysterical. I work in the insurance industry and had this conversation a few years ago with some friends. The were all for socialized health care as it would be sooo much better than the unhealthy having to pay higher premiums. Lol, we all get screwed by higher taxes, but now the government will just kill off the high health risks. Yes, I can see how that is much better.

  • Terry Height

    If something like this were to happen are they going to exempt the people who are obese because of a thyroid problem or some other kind of medical condition beyond their control? This is absurd. But then again, this government knows how to take care of us better than we do. Remember, It’s for our own good.

  • Restless

    So, AP… are you going to admit that Palin was right about this death panel thing?

  • Brian

    That money is a drop in the bucket for all of the Waste, Fraud and Abuse that Washington accumulates in 6 months let alone a year.

  • Adi

    #34

    Well, you lose your customers and the state loses some revenue, but in exchange your taxes will raise to compensate. “Hysterical” you say?

    Btw, did you know Iran has no shortages on organ transplants? Ofcourse there are no homosexuals nor dissidents in Iran either. Having a job in health insurance there would be rather boring.

    /s

  • TXMAN

    As long as we let alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. also die, because of poor choices. If we follow this line of thinking, we won’t have to treat anybody. I guess President Obama is also out of luck, since he is a smoker.

  • Cara

    But if you’re gay and have risky gay butt sex with another man and contract AIDS, they have not problem forking over the bill on that. What are the cost stats for gay men w/ AIDS? Or how about sex change operations?? F-ing hypocrites… bet they would give Rosie O and fatty Michael Moore extra moola to keep those loons alive.

  • zelmo41

    Why not sterilize parent with income below the poverty level? This would cut welfare costs.

  • onepissedoffamerican

    Ok just get rid of the government already there nothing but trouble controlling our free will ,some people can’t help it , and your gonna punish them o why not you to government you got fat man and women there as wel but o wait your better than us ,ha your worthless people are gonna be people and live by the constitution,you try and mess with the bull you will get the horns , quit trying to control every thing ,its gonna bite you bad ,so leave the American people alone and impeach Obama already and everybody who is going against our freedom, you already took have of our tax returns what else do you ducking want ?

  • kat

    So, they want to pick on smokers and fat people. Cigarettes are taxed, junk food is taxed. We’re paying taxes that goes towards supporting the government. Want to save health care dollars? Cut off these people who go to the emergency room for non-life threatening problems. Cut off the illegals who use the ER for basic care and dropping babies. How about keeping a tab for each country whose illegals we are treating for free and deduct it from the monetary assistance our government sends them?
    So, what/who will be next? Seniors? Disabled? Premies? Retarded? Those confined to mental, senior, or long term facilities? Be careful of who you throw under the bus today cause tomorrow it will be easier to throw you under as well.

  • B

    I find it interesting that while they want to “punish” smokers and fat people with death for their (legal) lifestyles there is no mention of punishing alcoholics or drug addicts for their frequently illegal lifestyles.

  • Buffalobob

    After mooshell expressed her distain for fat people in the White House Ophra dissed the 2 nd imaculation. She will have to be pissed at the latest regimes edicts.

  • Shaun

    the only death panel that needs to exist is the one that thins the liberal population.

  • Chelie

    They’ll be after me next; a 52 yr old diagnosed at age 6 with insulin dependent diabetes. And yes, I am overweight, which is one of the side effects of good glucose control. But ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you about how little I actually eat. Being overweight sometimes has nothing to do with choices you can make.

  • Nomad

    It’s a myth that smokers and obese people linger. They die faster. Plus smokers pay a ton more in taxes anyway. It’s the damned health nuts who linger. Let’s start taxing tofu and granola instead.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

    ++

    ObamaCare T4 Hitler

    “YOU AIN’T SEEN NOTHIN’ YET!”

    [[Rather than being “actual persons”, newborns were “potential
    persons”. They explained: “Both a fetus and a newborn certainly
    are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’
    in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’.

    “We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her
    own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this
    existence represents a loss to her.”

    As such they argued it was “not possible to damage a newborn by
    preventing her from developing the potentiality to become a person
    in the morally relevant sense”.]
    ]

    ==

  • lonestar

    Michael Moore to the head of the line.

  • mg4us

    Palin was right about death panels. .and they are coming for you. .

    Look at Data. .people in cities cost more than folks in country . . people in NY cost more than people in texas. . .should we eradicate them too

    Now as for overweight people. .really depends on the genes and the diet
    http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/01January/Pages/Overweight-people-live-longer-study-claims.aspx

    or this

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2198513/People-fat-AND-fit-study-finds-obesity-doesnt-automatically-lead-ill-health.html

    This skinny myth is from the uber left. . .

  • Lim Lynn

    I wonder if any smokers already stock pile their cigarettes and enough alcohol.

  • Lim Lynn

    kat don’t forget Traitor in Chief did supply junk food during his 2nd inauguration to his supporters and campaign personals who help his reelection.

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  • Patty

    Obamacare contains largely unreported text that allows the health secretary to limit any “alternative treatments” of the elderly, disabled or terminally ill if such treatments are not recommended by the new research institute.

    Reads that qualifier:

    Paragraph (1) shall not be construed as preventing the Secretary from using evidence or findings from such comparative clinical effectiveness research in determining coverage, reimbursement, or incentive programs under title XVIII based upon a comparison of the difference in the effectiveness of alternative treatments in extending an individual’s life due to the individual’s age, disability, or terminal illness.

    Paragraph (1) refers to the section that bars the health secretary from valuing the life of an elderly, disabled or terminally ill patient as lower than that of the younger or nondisabled patient.

    The qualifier leaves the health secretary with the power to use government-provided research data to determine whether “alternative treatments” are effective in extending the life of the elderly, disables, or terminally ill.

    Health-care rationing based on ethnicity?

    Another section of Obamacare calls for the new institute to study the effectiveness of treatment in “subpopulations,” including “racial and ethnic minorities, women, age and groups of individuals with different comorbidities, genetic and molecular sub-types, or quality of life preferences.”

    The effectiveness of such research has been widely called into question.

    In a 2009 study, the CATO Institute raised concern about such government-funded research being politicized or influenced by lobbying.
    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/more-evidence-of-death-panels-in-obamacare/#qUvK8voiB2xcl7tx.99

  • JDR-Taq

    Lim Lynn

    Do you have any idea how much a pack (20) of cigarettes costs now?

    It was about 90 cents a pack when I started. $1.10 for the premium brands. Ten bucks a carton (10 packs).

    Now? It’s about $6 a pack here in Michigan. In Chicago it’s closer to $10.00 a pack. One hundred dollars for a carton.

    Tobacco didn’t go up in cost. Taxes are the biggest chunk.

    When Obama took the reins, one of the first things he did his first month in office, at the stroke of a pen, was raise the tax on bagged rolling tobacco THREE THOUSAND PERCENT.

    Because you know, “f**k those poor people who roll their own cigarettes!”

    Now it is no longer cheaper to roll your own.

    First thing he did, essentially, was institute a tax on the poorest people.

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  • Patty

    so, if you are overweight and a smoker, you are screwed.

  • Patty

    obamaccare is a death panel in itself. It will be a a noose around everyone’s neck. especially those who hire.

    It is a tax and to that I say, everyone pays and each should be treated with the dignity they deserve. Apparently, Obama must think that the poor and those without insurance must have dignity, too. Funny, how dignity is good for some but bad for others. We are all equals under the Constitution. We pay are far share, work hard and now, in the end, Government dictates how and who should die.

    Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves. Obama and Pelosi have over stepped their bounds. Our tax dollars are paying for the deaths of the newborns. This administration is committing mass murder no matter how the spin this.

  • lynno

    Don’t forget the down syndrome,premies,deformed and blind and deaf. Sounds little like a page in history. Vote for it to read it stop the insanity

  • dwdude

    i say if that starts we go find the experts and make them die…who the hell do they think they are? see why they want you to give up your guns? molon labe

  • dwdude

    have we ever heard of the presidents yearly physical results over the last four years?

  • Jackie

    I have the same sentiments.. if you do this, why not alcoholics, promiscuous people, people at risk for AIDS, fat people, drug addicts, pot smokers, people caught texting and driving, or driving without seatbelts.. The list goes on. How dare they? If I pay insurance like everyone else you cannot discriminate…

  • Flintstone F.

    #21 Julie

    You are resentful of individual behavior you find unsafe or unhealthy. You are angry that your tax dollars go to help someone you don’t like.

    Stop pretending that it’s about the cost. When the so called solution will cost tax payers ten times the amount than the upside down, unfunded liability of medicare, arguing that it’s about the burden to the taxpayer is a position you can’t take.

    You are going to need medicine and medical attention when you get old. It’s not going to be there for you. Your life will be shortened for you. Your alternatives have been taken away and the costs are going to go up. Your only hope Julie is that you are the same age as the people making the decisions and that you can persuade them to care about you.

    The very first thing they did to try to find money to fund Obamacare for just the first few years was to steal $750 billion from medicare. They lied to the American people and their first target was the elderly.

    This has nothing to do with saving tax dollars. This is about taking things away from the burdensome, the old, the sick because someone just doesn’t approve. You might be tired of something but you’re not sure what it is beyond those certain people you just don’t like.

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  • JDR-Taq

    I would like to see an infographic: the number of people involved in “extreme sports” such as BMX, MX, skateboarding, mountain climbing, free-climbing, skydiving, downhill skiing, extreme mountain skiing, surfing — and — what their political affiliation is — and how much they are “worth”, financially speaking. (I would bet dollars that 90+ percent are Democrats and 1%ers… or at least their parents are.)

    Smokers have to die, because it’s expensive to the state.

    Mountain-climbing Rocky Mountain High-listening hippies who leave the cellphone at home in the interest of “purity” and get caught in avalanche after avalanche? They get to have their state expend tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars in the interest of saving their idiot hippie asses.

  • Patty

    AP, NBC Ask: Time to Publicly Shame the Obese, Let Smokers Die?

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/26/AP-NBC-Shame-Smokers-Let-Fat-People-Die

  • Greg

    I couldn’t imagine the large quanity of healthcare mistakes that lead to much higher costs and early deaths of the patients. Why should doctors get a free ride for improperly providing needed and right treatment for their patients? People dying because of medical mistakes is a greater issue than those who die of smoking or obesity.

  • Highlander

    #9 January 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
    JenBee commented:

    “Obamacare has made it legal and acceptable for government to control all aspects of your life.”

    I like the way you think JB. This is exactly what I was shouting at the top of my lungs when Obamacare was being “debated” … and then summarily rammed down our throats.

    There is now NOTHING that this government cannot regulate in the name of controlling health care costs, and freedom as we knew it will soon be a distant memory. I simply cannot believe that the people of this country are willing to take this BS lying down, but sadly, they probably will because it’s being done slowly and incrementally, and people are too stupid to realize what’s happening. We will be stripped of our freedoms, one by one, because people are too stupid, and too self-absorbed to get angry when it’s someone else’s freedom being taken.

    First it will be smokers, then fat people, then drinkers, then gun owners, then private pilots, football players, hang gliders, surfers, mountain climbers, skiers … and each time a freedom is restricted, the people who don’t enjoy that particular freedom will say “well, I guess that really doesn’t affect me” … until finally we’ll all be living boring, subservient lives, working meaningless jobs and paying 90% of our earnings to a totalitarian, overbearing government. Meanwhile, we still won’t get the health care they promised us, because they will have embezzled all the money and pissed it all away gratifying themselves and promoting their political careers.

    Maybe the people of America will wake up and surprise me, but I’m not holding my breath…

  • AUSONIUS

    #16 valid, but utterly un-PC point, which really is the point here. Lifestyle choices (such as pot smoking, blow snorting, promiscuity with genetalia, or anything else the left desires to do) that are deemed “good” (in the beyond good and evil sense) will never be penalized, only things they detest.
    It is not enough to choose not to participate themselves, they cannot control their desire to dominate others.
    A couple of years ago, I came upon a very bad accident where I attempted lifesaving measures on one of the victims. I later discovered that the victim was HIV + and that, though at a low risk for contracting it, would have to undergo several weeks of preventative medicine to reduce any chance of contracting it. The medicine made me sick as a dog, and was incredibly expensive. It is the same medicine that people with this dissease take regularly. No, I didn’t contract the dissease.
    The point here is the medicine for these people, the vast majority of which contract it by means of what a few years ago would commonly be regarded as perverse lifestyle behavior, is very, very expensive. I’ld bet far, far more expensive than any smoking related treatment, and they take it their whole lives.

  • Lim Lynn

    @JDR-Taq
    I remember the last time I saw was RM 15-RM 10 for a box of 20 cigarettes plus a few variation pictures of bad effects for smokers. Seems, every year’s budget continue increase heavy taxation for alcohol and cigarettes. One solution that illegal [kretek Indonesian cigarettes] Indonesian smuggled into Sabah and Sarawak solves worries endured by smokers after authorities working near ports found out about the modus operandus.

  • briscuit

    Under the Dems, we are all as safe as any unborn child~~~

  • Lim Lynn

    AUSONIUS
    Most AIDS disease HIV virus infected sufferers through sharing drug needles, sexual contact, blood transfusion and inherited from mother are scared to take a HIV test because they will feel stigmatized and look down by the society. Nothing can done to ease their burden if they were adult mixing with the wrong group of people who influence they to do all these unhealthy activities. You can educated them before they get influence through peer pressure but you can’t force they to practice what they were taught in school since they have a stubborn side of them.

  • SoLongSong

    #71 Lim Lynn: Could you please explain what you mean about the Indonesian cigarette smuggling? I love Indonesion cloves, and when Obama in his wisdom banned flavored cigarettes I had no idea it would affect me.

    I went to the tobacco store one day and POOF! They were GONE. FURIOUS! So I ordered directly from Indonesia and it was great. A TON cheaper, even with the shipping and Western Union fees. Then one day my shipment was confiscated.

    By then the stores here figure out a way around the “flavored cig” label and started calling my cloves cigars. It was more expensive, but at least I had them. The other day I went to buy some and GRR!! They’d gone up A DOLLAR FIFTY A PACK! And there are only 12 to a pack. FURIOUS!!

    I was going to try and order them directly from Indonesia again to see if that was a fluke.

    So, what were you saying? Thanks!

  • rodguy911

    Sarah Palin’s death panels here sooner than we every anticipated.

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  • David Milstein

    Death Panels are just for poor people. You are free to get all the medical care you can if you can afford it. Paying for healthcare is illegal only in Cuba and North Korea.

  • Rhinestone Suderman

    And remember when Sarah Palin warned everybody about this, and everyone—both Democract and Republican—said how stupid she was, and how she was unfit to run for office?

  • David Milstein

    Hospitals accept cash.

  • Limousine Barry

    What’s the problem with my Pathway to Death?

    Just think of your old Fat Parents as clunkers. Like clunkers they guzzle Social Security money that could go to debit cards! Let’s get rid of the Old Fatties!

    Like Cash 4 Clunkers, I will give you cash and you sign a form allowing Me to send your loved one on the Pathway to my Dehydration Center!

    Death by dehydration is not that bad… although I have not tried it. I may seem like a hypocrite. But, I really need more food for my party. My last luncheon had: Fat 145 g, Saturated Fat 71g (49% of fat), Sodium 9752 mg. Is that too much for a politician?

    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/01/21/inaugural-lunch-menu/

    Let me be clear, under 0bamacare those sixty-five year old people who are have a BMI of 22 to 24… calculated by government regulators… will get free End Of Life Counseling! More Free Stuff!

    Then they will be put in the nearest 0bamaCare Pathway to Death Facility. And, you will get Forty Silver 0bama Coins. You get cash and the Social Security problem is solved!

    No, I don’t plan on working until I am sixty-five. I have my Limousine and Jumbo Jet and my big house. And, no I will not be subject to 0bamaCare. It sucks.

    I know WIC and Debit Cards are bankrupting the Taxpayer and causing old people to work until they drop. But, Washington bureaucrats need a living wage of at least $149,000.00 per year… and a limousine. Screw the Old People! The quicker they are dehydrated to death the better! I cannot answer any more questions. Good day.

  • Danny

    What about the gays and lesbians? Their lifestyle exposes them to AIDS and they pass it on to others all the time and has expensive to treatment? Think of all the money saved since so many are young and will be expensive to treat.
    Are these people MURDERERS? Last I heard its against the laws of men and common sense.
    Doesn’t Prez “O” smoke. Do the same rules apply to him? Or is there a special carve out rule just for him. He’s got so many ‘special nuggets’/rules buried in laws you know.

  • http://www.katablog.com katablog.com

    I don’t think it is fair for my tax dollars to pay for people who want to commit suicide by fork or smoke…

    How about people who drink too much, drink and drive, drive fast and reckless, ride motorcycles without helmets, keep dangerous pets, sky dive, race cars, run across the highways, surfers, swimmers in the ocean (sharks), skyscraper window washers, crane operators, farmers who fertilize, acrobatic pilots, and the list could go on and on……….

    Face it, most Americans commit dangerous acts at times. Pick on the smokers and obese now – they will come for you and your “dangerous” behaviors later.

    Please remember one thing, for over 200 years America has been known as the land of the free. Now we are moving to the land of the controlled.

  • Maudie N Mandeville

    “As the article rightly points out, though, this is going to predominately affect the poor and black, so who cares?” ‘Table Talk with Barack Obama’

  • http://mjhawkeye.blogspot.com mj loehrer

    Poor Candy Crowley!

  • Rose Mary Lytle

    I was 5’7″ & weighed 130 pounds before injuries & illness began to deplete my health when I was early 40’s. I couldn’t afford health care or insurance. I was one of the working poor. over the years as my health problems accelerated, I gained weight. Now future health care is going to be denied because I gained weight because I didn’t have health care ? There will be expensive end of life care instead of developing realistic solutions ?

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  • Fionnagh

    At #21 Julie [Cratchett] I’m having cataract surgery in early March. I’ll be sure to check the nurses’ name tags before any anesthesia or other medication is administered. If any tags say “Julie,” either I’m outta there or she’s outta there.

  • Dozer15

    Oh wait . . . Michael Moore ???

  • Joel

    I call it his abortion list. Are you a little too young, a little too old, a little too fat, … ? Well, then, just drop dead!!! Stop consuming health services now!!!

    The way I see it is liberals should set an example and abort themselves.

  • Lim Lynn

    SoLongSong
    It was a documentary recorded by authorities in Sabah and Sarawak where they saw a few illegal immigrant from Indonesia sitting down on the five foot way selling it for RM 5 a packet of 20 cigarette and Malaysian citizens all went to get the cheaper brand to save their money. Then, another Malaysian Police documentary 999 always with the help of Malaysian immigration and taxes on goods which haven’t been declared Indonesian version cigarettes that was smuggled from Indonesia done by Indonesians in lorries was found out by authorities, the lorry drivers all escape from authorities before they could handcuff them, put them trial in court and judge sentence them with a prison sentence of up to 20 years.

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  • bill

    Well if they’re going to let the phatties and smokers die off then it’s only fair that the homosexuals who contact AIDS have treatment withdrawn also. That antiviral cocktail is hugely expensive.

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  • http://none Carol

    Well i guess they will want to get rid of me too. I do have a question, if i may ask.
    I’m in desperate need for some company that will cover my name brand prescriptions.
    My medicare goes in effect in April and i can’t afford the meds. I am allergic to generic
    drugs plus they don’t work on me. I’ve tried them all.