Progressive Policies Are to Blame for the Mass Shooting in Sandy Hook

Many pundits today may be wondering what it is about Barack Obama that is causing all of these mass shootings.
That’s a topic for another day.

Adam Lanza

What is clear, is that decades of failed liberal policy have made it difficult to force people with severe mental diseases to be treated or institutionalized. And, then we are all shocked when these same dysfunctional individuals go on a shooting rampage like we witnessed today in Newtown.

For Your Country posted this back after schizophrenic Jared Loughner went on his shooting rampage in Arizona that left several people dead and US Rep. Gabby Giffords seriously wounded.
It is just as true today.

It actually very hard to force people with severe mental diseases to be treated because of a range of reforms pushed by progressives starting in the 60’s:

  1. Ronald David Laing, a Scottish Psychiatrist, In the 60’s put forth the foundation of the Anti-Psychiatry movement. He maintained that schizophrenia was “a theory not a fact”. The popularity of Laing’s theories is blamed for decline in students entering the psychology profession.
  2. President John F. Kennedy’s 1963 Community Mental Health Centers Act accelerated the trend toward deinstitutionalizationwith the establishment of a network of community mental health centers and changes in laws regarding commitment.
  3. Kenneth Kesey, wrote “One Flew over the Cukoo’s Nest”based in part on Laing’s thinking (and his own intensive use of drugs). “Kesey did not believe that these patients were insane, rather that society had pushed them out because they did not fit the conventional ideas of how people were supposed to act and behave.” The Book,play, and later the movie, portrayed a anti-psychiatry philosophy leading to a public displeasure with residential mental facilities resulting in further deinstitutionalization policies.
  4. Deinstitutioanlization led to many legal and structural changes. American public mental hospital patients declined from more than 550,000 in 1955 to fewer than 40,000 at present. The displaced patients now represent 30-50% of the homeless populations.

As a result of Laing, Kennedy, Kesey and public efforts to transform the mental health care system to be more humane, to characterize mentally ill people as “Just thinking differently”, and characterizing mental health care as some form of evil, we now have a system that makes it virtually impossible to get folks like Loughner the care they need.

Deinstitutionalization policies driven by “do good” liberals and the federal government put focus on limited bad acts. Kesey wrote a story based on his LSD induced observations in one VA mental hospital. Once his story was put into film, his small example falsely characterized the bulk of mental health care as dehumanizing and made it impossible to force the Laughners of the world to get treatment.

Critics will focus on gun control after today’s school massacre.
The focus should be on failed liberal policies that excuse rather than assist extremely dysfunctional individuals.

Related… Far Left Groups Defeated Connecticut Mental Health Protection Laws Just Months Before Shooting

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  • Jenny

    Yes I agree. It is not guns – it is failed liberal progressive policy in the UNIONIZED public school system that insisted teachers stop teaching about morality, character building, ethics, and values. In the early 1900’s, the Readers from which students learned to read were much different – they were taught the classics, and the intent was to teach strong morals, love of country, etc. (look it up: THE JONES READERS, 1904); even passages from the Bible were taught in public schools. In addition, look at the crap violent movies and tv shows LIBERAL UNION Hollywood brings us, coupled with the violent video games. You don’t see that crap coming from the “right wing extremists”. Anything goes these days – and it’s all from the liberals. Going against human nature and procreation -accepting gay marriage, killing the unborn, removing God (who incidentally gave us life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness according to the Founders) is fine with them. But it’s the right wingers that are extreme. Blame anyone or anything else but them.

  • bg


    trouble is, society went from
    one extreme to the other.. 🙁

    the main problem prog-dem-libs have is insisting everyone fits into
    the same mold, then they separate and assign privileges according
    to differences, all the whilst screaming collectivism at the top of their
    diversity mold masters lungs.. they epitomize of hypocrisy..


  • The Resistance

    Fight Fire With Fire. These shooters prey on the innocent and unarmed. We put our kids safety in the hands of the Teachers and the School to keep them safe. All school districts should encourage Teachers and Administrators to be armed.This would deter any violence and mitigate any attack. Staying proactive instead of reacting after the fact is the only way to protect our kids.

  • bad actor

    From what I read about the shooter and how he got his hands on those firearms, his mother purchased them legally. Why oh why didn’t she keep them locked up in a gun safe if she had a son with personality disorder? Talk about an accident waiting to happen…I’d say she was at fault, but the liberals in the media will make it all the fault of the pro-gun lobby. They’ll say it’s time to outlaw guns. I used to smirk when I’d hear gun owners say “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” But now I know it is true.

  • ★FALCON★

    According to reports I’ve read – the school just implemented new security procedures – yet opened the door and let this kid in.

    What kind of security is that? Further, after Columbine – I thought schools had pledged to only allow school personnel into the building. Some procedures were not followed and this whole horrible episode may have been prevented.

    If a proper procedure had been used – perhaps only his mother would have been killed, as tragic as that sounds, it’s still better than children being murdered by an insane madman intent on killing as many as possible and killing himself.

  • bg


    Teachers: Drunk 5 Times: Drugs 3 Times: Before Being Fired

    that’s not only disturbing, destructive, and despicable, but
    unquestionably detrimental in regards to the guardianship
    of our children..


  • ★FALCON★

    #3 December 14, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    bg commented:


    trouble is, society went from
    one extreme to the other.. 🙁

    bg – it doesn’t help when the narcissist in chief politicizes every incident for his own agenda. I realize you know this, and I’m just makin’ the point.

    If America is serious about dealing with it’s problems, it’s time to put the blame where it belongs – on liberal policies that yield the opposite of it’s stated intent.

  • Big Al

    I agree. The mainstreaming of people with severe wiring problems certainly presents as serious a potential threat as does the presence of guns. I don’t think the prevailing school of thougth in the MSM will allow this to be discussed, however.

  • Edie

    Don’t blame President Kennedy for this mess – a network of community mental health centers is a good idea. He didn’t de-institutionize sick people. I have read that Reagan was responsible for a lot of mentally disturbed people being put out of hospitals onto the streets. Whatever is going on is definitely not Kennedy’s fault – he died trying to make a better world for all.

  • ★FALCON★

    #2 December 14, 2012 at 7:22 pm
    Jenny commented:

    removing God (who incidentally gave us life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness according to the Founders) is fine with them. But it’s the right wingers that are extreme. Blame anyone or anything else but them.

    Jenny – they remove God so the State become God. They’re not very complicated nor refined.

    If God wanted Man to rule over his kingdom, he would have created Man as an equal and not in his image – God would have created Man with God-like abilities, and he didn’t.

    Man is not a God, and only a mere mortal – that’s part of God’s plan for Humanity. And nothing liberals can say or do will change that no matter how they attempt to hoist the State.

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  • donh

    WAY TO GO JIM ! Mental illness only exists AFTER you kill somebody …as an out to avoid punishing the satanic psychopaths the God hating liberals have such a love affair with. The constitution now only exists to serve the Muslim terrorist and serial killers . No constitution for you the law abiding tax paying freedom loving responsible American.

  • Linda

    #2 Removing God…THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

    When tragedies like this happen they ONLY WANT GUN CONTROL,



  • bg


    Linda #13 December 14, 2012 at 7:47 pm




  • ★FALCON★

    Pretty much everyone of these mass murders with mentally unbalanced youths has occurred in a liberal Mecca. Colorado and now Connecticut.

    This kid has a mother that was a teacher – not surprisingly she is probably part of the Teacher’s Union and we all see how they have acted in Wisconsin and Michigan, of late.

    My sympathies remain with the children who were murdered by this madman not with the school, nor the policies that had good intentions yet failed once again.

    Once again, children are the victims of liberals – whether through indoctrination in the class room (which I consider mental abuse) or not following a common sense approach to security.

  • bg


    ★FALCON★ #7 December 14, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    hey. that’s your opinion, and i somewhat agree..

    however, liberal policy is no more responsible for Adam
    Lanza mowing down innocent defenseless children than
    the guns he stole from the Mother he murdered are..

    policy is a separate issue, why wait until a disaster such as this
    to point the obvious out?? sorry, but imho, it’s a cheap shot, no
    matter who makes it..



    Thanks Jim for reminding us of the real probem with Liberalism.

    Somhow in the noise a article like this cuts through the static and bring up the real problem. It is too bad that Judges cannot be sued by familys of the victims of this madness.

    Watch the UNATT and the push for its passage There will be plenty of RINOs and liberals waiting for a reason

  • YourMaster

    well… since liberalism is a mental disorder you can pretty much see why progressives would oppose such out of fear

  • BarbaraS

    I don’t understand how this happened or how any of these school shootings have happened. When I was in school (a long, long time ago) we had marshals (several different students for each period on every floor and in every wing during classes who stopped anyone who was roaming the hall without a pass. These marshals were selected by an elected head marshall. No one was allowed on the floor without that pass and anyone who was caught was sent straight to the principal’s office. and not allowed to procede to their destination. When did they stop this procedure and allow strangers to roam the halls? I noticed it years ago when joining my grandsons for lunch or taking them something they forgot. The school office could not have cared less about my presence in the halls but were really put out that I had brought the kids something and they had to summon them. They were really quite rude about it. It almost felt like I was back in school. No respect whatsoever.

  • serfer62

    I remember when the ACLU pushed this crap of freeing the lunies as a civil right

  • ★FALCON★

    bg – how is it cheap shot to point out the policies that allowed this to happen?

    First of all – the school opened the door because he was the kid of a teacher – how they knew that is beyond me because there are other reports that he was wearing a mask.

    Opening the door was a major mistake, and I’m pointing out the obvious. That’s not a cheap shot. If I had kids in that school, I would be pretty pissed that someone opened the door or buzzed him in.

    Additionally, I’ve yet to see one liberal policy that doesn’t treat children like commodities and not valued members of society. Children are the commodities and “teaching” is the product. Children exist in these liberal indoctrination centers to justify high salaries, huge benefits and zero accountability.

  • Nanna

    I agree with all of you..Jenny, donh, Linda and others. When the country began to turn their back on God, He withdraws from the country. He is warning us a little at a time. I keep praying that things will turn back around.

    Did anyone notice the faux concern Obama had for the people in Ct? He was reading an ipad or something similar. He would lose his place, and when he did he would wipe at his eye. One time he audibly answered “yeah” to someone. My guess someone in his ear.
    He will never show true emotion….cause he has none that are real.

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  • BarbaraS

    These people were turned out of the institutions because of cost of care. There were just too many of them. It was only an excuse about them just being different. This was despicable and we can look forward toward the same thing happening in obamacare. Cost is what these liberals look at under the guise of compassion. The mentally ill are not reliable voters and to them there is no use in helping people whose vote they can’t buy. There are so many other people they can buy with that money.

  • bg
  • donh

    The sadistic gun grabbers who jump on every one of these killings…. to take away your rights… are the same people who push for Susan Smith and Casey Anthony to get off easy when they kill their children in premeditated cold blooded murder…. They are the same people who OPPOSE the death penalty ….not out of any compassionate reading of the constitution… but because they LOVE satanic psychopathic serial killers…They want your guns taken away to EMPOWER the criminal mass murderers they all want to become….because to the liberal eugenicist the #1 problem facing mankind is there are TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH damaging the environment …..and giving satanic psychopathic killers free reign helps the cause.

  • ★FALCON★

    Another problem is the medical profession thinks that many of these unbalanced individuals can be treated with medication and go on their merry way. In some cases that’s true and in others they stop taking their drugs and let’s face it – they’re often on some heavy duty meds.

    I’m sure his mother knew the extent of his problems and issues.

  • bg


    ★FALCON★ #21 December 14, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    re: [bg – how is it cheap shot to point out
    the policies that allowed this to happen?]

    why stop there, i mean, it’s been decades,
    nothing else we can blame on policies??

    quite honestly, it sounds like something anti
    -gun zealots would say were they pro -gun..


  • ArrgghOBAMAO

    Aarrgggh!! this makes me so max!! I mean mad! Ahh, who cares? I’m mad to the Max!
    Those stupid, parasitic liberals are destroying this country from the inside out. I absolutely can’t believe these spawns of satan would stoop so low as to gun down children. THE WEE LITTLE ONES!
    And everybody knows what they do next. After they get done slaughtering the children of good Christian folk, they then throw their hands up and scream “Not guilty”! Those fat, liberal judges then let them off the hook, and then proceed to throw in a homo marriage for sheets and giggles. When the libs finally stand in front of LORD ALMIGHTY AHHH! then they’ll know thy name is Jesus Christ!! We need the Bible. I can’t be 100% sure a teacher with a gun could have stopped this, but I am certain a classroom full of God fearing children would have!

  • USMC Thomas

    China is boasting gun control works referencing the lunatic today who slashed 21 school children, killing none. Lack of firearms didn’t deter the machete slaughter in Rawanda.

  • ★FALCON★

    bg – we’re gonna have to agree to disagree – and if calling out liberals for their insane policies is a reason for you to find criticism of me, so be it, doesn’t bother me one iota.

    You should expect more of it in the future.

  • valerie

    #16 December 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    bg commented:

    I think it might be time to start talking about policy, but I would hope there’d be some focus on our treatment of people who are mentally impaired.

    To me, the instantaneous focus in this case on the type of weapon, instead of the person, is misguided, to say the least. Osama bin Laden used airplanes, and Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer. The focus on the guns more than a bit off-putting, because I know these people support an administration that waived the gun-control laws we do have, with the result of 2 dead American agents and about 300 dead Mexicans.

    The lack of outrage over what amounts to an act of war against our neighbor to the south, coupled with the overly obvious political agenda of those who want to take away an important political freedom, stinks of the kind of manipulation that yielded an evil empire in Eurasia.


    I understand what you are saying, but you are simply trying to make the pendulum swing in the opposite direction. There were laws where people could be committed without trial, without the ability to speak with relatives, and worse. Terrible experiments in healing took place crippling the ill and healthy for life. Something had to be done.

    At what point is a mentally ill person a danger to society? There are many with schizophrenia that lead normal and healthy lives. Typically a person that snaps has been functioning normally for years. What about those that suffer severe PTSD?

    You can’t fix stupid and you can’t fix crazy. You are right that we as a society do not handle our mentally ill very well, just as we fail to handle our children and elderly well. Be careful in wishing the state to have greater power in judging one’s sanity.

  • bg


    where was the opposition??

    future policies

    where is it now??


  • ★FALCON★

    This Lanza kid didn’t go from no criminal record to shooting his mother in the head and killing 26 people at a school in the blink of an eye. His mother certainly knew the extent of his problems and had to have know he was some sort of time bomb.

  • myohmy

    So true….Liberalism is a mental disease.

  • Amash

    Find one rep. Representative who will have the guts to call Ovomit on on his hypocrisy. Guns are bad. People use them to kill. Abortion, even in the 3rd term, is just fine. Drones can kill without any blame being put on the Noble prize winner. As a Muslim, O believes in Sharia law. Will anyone point on how he is only using this for political gain.
    Tears from the great leader. What a performance for political gain. He uses his girls to fake emotion to begin his claim that guns need to be done away with. The man wouldn’t know true emotion if he tripped over it. He’s a fake in very way.
    I swore I never wanted to her his voice again so I quickly mute the TV when he appears. After listening to him for 2 minutes today, it was apparent I needed to continue with my promise to myself. The man makes me sick.

  • bg


    valerie #32 December 14, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    thanks, very well stated, i’m with you all the way..

    as you know, i’ve more or less been pointing that out for several years
    now.. no one listens until they “see it for themselves”.. which brings up
    another saying i used years ago, perhaps you’ll recall.. the world is full
    of doubting Thomarses on a suicide mission (or close to it).. 😉


  • valerie

    #33 December 14, 2012 at 8:26 pm
    ALL_IS_LOST commented:

    I think we’ve done enough pennance for what the Kennedy family did to Rosemary, don’t you?

  • bg


    ★FALCON★ #31 December 14, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    i’m not criticizing you, i said it’s your opinion, and that i somewhat agree,
    the point is, i don’t believe the policies are to “blame” for what Lanza did
    today any more than “guns” were, but not in a direct sense, lest there’d
    be 100’s more Lanza’s, ergo, lets pray for a policy change s before they
    switch US to robots.. /s/


  • Jenny

    That was the beauty of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness – in that by it coming from someone greater and more powerful than man, no one can take it away. The Founders could have easily given themselves all the power but they didn’t. They were humble. These people who have been given power by “us” are overstepping. I refuse to let these liberals whackos control the narrative on gun control. They are the problem and they need to be reminded. It’s time to get in their faces and remind them. Stop holding back and thinking we can’t do anything. Give it back to them 10 times as hard. I do it everyday. We are right. They are wrong.

  • Jackie

    I haven’t read all the comments – I will when I finish. But the title of the article really spoke to me. Why is our country in the state it’s in…………….in a word Obama. Never in my 74 years have I witnessed such a bitter, divisive, America hating person in our White House. Please don’t call me anti-Black – I’m not. What I am is a senior citizen who loves her country and hates this ghetto trash who is splitting our country apart. He, his unbearable wife and all the arrogant elites (in their own mind) around him are in a word despicable. They are trash, They deserve no respect. They should be impeached and marched off to prison for treason. The latest ramification of their hateful attitude was seen in CT today when a deranged person slaughtered innocent babies. DO YOU LIKE THEIR BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS OBAMA??

  • Jackie

    As expected the chant started immediately – GIVE US YOUR GUNS!! When I see all the punks, thugs, criminals, drug runners, etc., etc. turn in their guns………..then you can have mine – but not before.

  • bg


    re: #40 December 14, 2012 at 8:44 pm bg

    oops, left the following out re policy:

    [contributed perhaps, but not in a direct sense]

    aah, whatever, i tire..


  • shadow

    Pretty much everyone of these mass murders with mentally unbalanced youths has occurred in a liberal Mecca. Colorado and now Connecticut.

    “Liberal Mecas” like Nebraska?
    December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfather’s house.

    April 6, 2012. Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, shot 5 black men in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in racially motivated shooting spree. Three died.

    September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.

    And Utah?
    February 12, 2007. In Salt Lake City’s Trolley Square Mall, 5 people were shot to death and 4 others were wounded by 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talović. One of the victims was a 16-year-old boy.

  • Hoosiernorm

    If you think that this couldn’t be any worse I think you should check out the Westboro Baptist Church’s blog page. It will make you hope that next Friday is the end of it all.


    #39 December 14, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    valerie commented:

    No, that is not the point even though it is a good example of the abuse. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely is a saying that I fully believe. We must be careful when we are speaking of stripping rights away from individuals because they just don’t seem right.

    I am not stating that the current condition of the care for the mentally ill, or for those mentally ill who are prone to violence is adequate. I am saying there was a reason the pendulum swung so far the other way.

    Many in the 80’s blamed Reagan for the release of the mentally ill from hospitals to the street. We know that is not the whole truth, but there are conservative reasons for our situation as well.

  • JDR

    Thank you, BG.

    I just posted something similar over at Flopping Aces.

    (–A Concerned Student…)

  • bg


    Jackie #42 December 14, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    please, not to worry, many BLACKS feel the same way..

    you might enjoy reading this mans ramblings, and then there’s a few others.. ie: BCAP, Alfonzo Rachel, or Kevin Jackson, and many more, they’re getting it together, they want Obama gone more than we do..


  • Patty

    They walk the streets and the police have no place to take the mentally ill.

    I would love to know if his mother was staying home or preparing to go to work. If her son was acting out or didn’t take meds.

  • JDR

    I meant AoSHQ, not F.A.

  • My prayers go out to these families and these young children who have to deal with lost of their classmates and friends…..I agree with much thats been said here, just how dangerous are alot of these drugs thats use to treat forms of mental illness?Doctors are handing out these drugs like candy now neighbor’s son was 5 years old the doctor said he was austistic because he was little to hyper and put child on ritalin now the poor kid goes around like zombie

  • Patty

    And if autistic, why have guns around this young man. Or within his reach.

  • Patty
  • bg


    JDR#48 December 14, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    welcome re: a concerned student

    and on another level


  • donh

    These were two BIG stories going around local CT media in the days immediately prior to this horror…Talk of emergency budget cuts to Mental Health agencies had state employees calling in local talk radio shows…….and a rare Nazi gun worth $20,000-$40,000 turned in at a local police gun buyback program…

  • DomesticGoddess

    Troll alert: #29. Can smell it a mile away.

  • bg


    donh #56 December 14, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    [Facing another round of budget cuts, the leaders of nonprofits that
    contract with the state to provide services to people with disabilities,
    mental health and substance abuse issues have dire warnings for
    policymakers. They say there’s little left to cut, that they’ll have to
    lay off staff and serve fewer people, that clients will inevitably feel
    the pain. They say the private nonprofit system is at a breaking point.

    thank you..

    Obama has also cut AIDS funding, like he gives a damn
    about anything else but offending ISLAMISTS (scroll for
    much more).. *sigh*


  • bg


    re: #58 December 14, 2012 at 9:24 pm bg

    re: (scroll for much more)..

    and billions to MB.. 😡


  • bg


    Sweden: really not that far from here these days..

    Court terminates parental rights in homeschool case



  • bg


    ALL_IS_LOST #33 December 14, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    re: [schizophrenia]

    [Information is leaking that Barack Obama was treated for mental related illnesses in the 70’s and early 80’s and may have been prescribed anti-psychotic medications. Schizophrenia is the main reported diagnosis with possible case severe depression. In his first book he express his struggle with his identity and wanting to kill his white half, a view he shares with Malcolm X. “Dreams From My Father” suggests that Barack Obama has a problem with white people and that is troubling because he is half white. Barack Obama sees himself as a black man raised by his white mother and grandparents. In is book he disuses his feelings about this mater and what seem like the depression resulting from it. Obama suffered from depression and Obama is a schizophrenic individual.]


  • East Synder Boy

    I’d throw out all my guns to save one of those kids who was murdered today. But it won’t work. Take away the guns, they use bombs, or posion. Sick people need more supervision. If we would arm one teacher per school, maybe one that’s ex-military, with a concealed weapon. Let the public know that in each school is one armed teacher. That would scare off a lot of sickos.

  • Patty

    The more distress and jobs lost the more the family unit is hurt. And if this young man had mental and emotional illness, it was a whole lot of things that he just couldn’t handle anymore. Or he was just off his meds.

    But we have a big problem and it will only grow worse. Consider the troops who have traumatic stress disorder and then Lanza types and not enough hospitals to handle them all. We need to stop pretending that these people in need of more help then a parent or teacher can provide is necessary and needs immediate attention and we must stop fooling ourselves. Their needs are great and I fear that their parents, friends and others must stand up and tell proper people who can help. And if denied resolution keep at it. They can save lives before such tragedies happen, again.

  • Patty

    A jail is no place for the mentally ill

    The largest mental-health facilities in the United States are not hospitals — they are jails: in L.A. County, in Chicago’s Cook County, and on New York’s Rikers Island. Locally on any given day, the Hennepin County Medical Center Psychiatric Inpatient facility holds fewer mentally ill individuals than we hold in the Hennepin County jail, and quite frankly, many of these folks do not belong in our jail.

    Over 35,000 inmates each year are booked into the Hennepin County jail. The Sheriff’s Office manages and operates the jail, and is responsible for the safe and secure custody of approximately 750 inmates each day as they await the resolution of their criminal charges by the court. We provide food and required medical care. We securely transport inmates to court appearances and to other facilities as determined by the courts. We estimate that as many as 25 percent to 30 percent of inmates suffer from mental illness.

    The jail has medical and nursing staff who regularly check on inmates and provide prescribed medications and mental-health screenings. The Sheriff’s Office created a mental-health unit to allow for appropriate identification and placement of inmates with mental illness. Sheriff’s Office personnel receive extensive training on custody and safety issues for mentally ill inmates. The program has won a national award for its innovative and humane approach.

    Even so, we know that a jail is not the right place to house the mentally ill for extended periods of time. In particular, I am concerned about criminal defendants with persistent and severe mental illness who have been determined by the court to be incompetent to stand trial, and those who have been civilly committed for up to six months at a time (because they are mentally ill and a danger to themselves or others). These inmates have been evaluated by licensed psychologists and have been ordered to the care and custody of the Minnesota State Department of Human Services (DHS). Yet, the Sheriff’s Office often is unable to make transfers, because there is a shortage of space at a suitable treatment facility. As a result, many of the mentally ill inmates stay in our jail for weeks and even months awaiting transfer and placement.

  • Nanna

    People who want to kill others will find a way. Poison, stabbings, beatings, strangling, in mass, a bomb. There are many that can, and will make bombs. Taking our guns won’t stop this, in fact, it will only make it worse. We will become victims, because others will always have what they need to kill. There are also always illegal guns.

    Our constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms for a reason, to keep us free!! To keep us as safe as possible. I fully believe that the people won’t stand for this. The liberals want power, and look at how much they have already accomplished. If we have no guns, we are lost!!!

  • Nanna

    BTW I am 76 years old, and I want my country back!!!! Many don’t remember what it was, I do, and I want it to return to those wonderful free days.

  • Nanna, I love the older generations… I LOVE hearing stories from my dad who was a kid in the latter part of the depression, and from my grandma who was born in 1930. Not only the stories, but MAN they know how to ‘pinch a penny’!! LOVE THAT too! I cannot imagine what you are going through, I am but 45 years old, and I see a difference in our county compared to when I was young… so, the difference you see, must be staggering!

  • paha poika

    Hate to partially deflate the premise that only liberals are to blame in regards to the deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill. When John Engler, a republican and conservative, was governor here in Michigan, he closed 10 regional psychiatric hospitals. A large number of those patients and future mentally ill people ended up in our prisons.

  • Dave in NYC


    You are a miserable human being. Seriously. A lot could be said about which political party gutted mental health care in this country but this is not the time to politicize such a tragic event. Shame on you for trying to use the blood of innocent children to fuel your cheap partisan talking points.

  • freedom_AZ

    Speaking of mental illness, what does Valerie Jarrett have to say about all of this.

  • Larry

    First and foremost, my thoughts are with the parents and relatives of these victims. I cannot imagine losing a young innocent child, especially this way. I pray for them.
    Remember, according to the teacher union, it is always about the kids and though many of these teachers were heroic in trying to protect these children, a well trained security guard or armed teachers could have at least given many of them a chance. Instead, they were slaughtered. What about these great government pension plans and the next raise versus school security? How many times has this issue been brought up to school boards and shot down due to funding? I am a Washington State employee who is forced to join the union. I see so much waste and fraud in this system. We were just required to get special ergonomic desks, because the money was there. Use it or lose it. It happens every year. WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN??

  • Simsalabim

    The common denominator in all of these school shootings… schools.

    We need to ban schools.

    Gun control is not about guns, it’s about control.

    BTW… Banning guns makes as much sense as banning schools.

  • Dave

    No, Simsalabim, it makes a LOT of sense. Have you idiots seen this?

    22 children stabbed TODAY. ZERO deaths. You say that guns don’t kill people? Why are they available to the mentally ill? They must be controlled.

  • bigL

    in our little school where I live, my friend wen to p.u. he grand son. So no one challenged her, no one asked who she was.The entrances were not guarded at all. It used to be that the older kids would be part of the student council and would watch and “cite’ kids leaving campus and find a teacher if some one walked on.
    we don’t need hoops and metal detectors necessarily. Perhaps a coupe of off duty police. at each entrance. the kids would love them and tell them everything going on.It would be ok and better than havin the sch shot up.
    Andthey have to ask for ID for pick up.

  • Sandy

    I must have gone to school in the stone age. But this kind of violence was unheard of. In movies if you committed a crime you always paid the price by the end of the picture. We loved Elvis and Pat Boone. The worst things that ever happened were kids cutting classes or girls having to leave school because they were pregnant. Songs were never about Biotches or hoes – but lost love. We all dressed appropriately. Girls in skirts and boys in chinos.

    We respected our elders, our teachers and our two party system. No one thought that murdering 6 year olds was resume enhancement.

  • Highlander

    What we need to ban are “gun free zones”. Period. You simply don’t see this sort of thing happening ANYWHERE but in gun free zones … how many more slaughters is it going to take before people realize that?

  • squeaky

    [I have read that Reagan was responsible for a lot of mentally disturbed people being put out of hospitals onto the streets. Whatever is going on is definitely not Kennedy’s fault – he died trying…] some policies that work out on paper don’t hold up to reality. [This act expands our national commitment to mental health with the ultimate aim that all who need mental health services receive prompt care by qualified people, whatever their need, wherever they may live, however they might come into the system..] it’s easier to blame an inanimate object than the flesh and blood [voters] members who make up the mental healthcare industry.

  • John

    I’m liberal, British and proud to be so. These shootings will go on happening in the US so long as it has its current gun laws. “My constitutional right to bear arms” is the quote I hear from some Americans, but surely the same case then applies to a country’s right to hold nuclear weapons when others already have them. Think about Iran, then all the other states on your doorstep in central America: Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Mexico etc etc.
    It seems to me its much the same argument and the more we fill the world with arms of all kinds the more dangerous it becomes.
    These shootings can occur anywhere, they are unpredictable and the perpetrators have not usually shown any warning signs (without the benefit of hindsight), but the facts show that such tragedies are far less common in countries with strong gun controls.
    My sincere condolences to the families who have suffered.

  • The cries for banning handguns are loud now. Deafening.

    But there is another issue of equal importance — perhaps of more importance.

    Getting “help” for someone who is obviously mentally disturbed is well nigh impossible if the mentally-disturbed person refuses to cooperate.

    Several in my family tried to get help for their children — in these instances, the problem being drug abuse. These children were no older than 15. They resisted help and successfully resisted help — legally, apparently.

    Getting “help” for someone age 18 and over is impossible! Even if another adult holds POA and an advance medical directive.

    The mentally ill and others needing “help” typically resist any such measures.

    The ugly fact about sociopathy: there is no such thing as successful treatment. Confinement for life is the only “treatment.”

  • sandyshores

    Now why would Obama want to ban guns after his close friend Holder gave so many to the drug dons and the brotherhood? Guns for everyone! What hypocritical B.S. You are a american citizen you don’t have a right to protect yourself but you are a drug dealer or the brother hood you do. The liberal hypocrites after all do seem to have their priorities but be damned if i can understand them. The son of a teacher oh i get it liberals. Isn’t it the liberals who are always talking about killing whitie? Whose fault is this? The liberals?

  • shadow

    “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.”

    … more often than not, with guns.

  • Sasja
  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    Yes, ban guns for American citizens, but give F-16 to the new Egyptian dictator. Easy peasy!

  • shadow

    What we need to ban are “gun free zones”.

    Fine. Whom to you propose we arm, the union thugs or the toddlers?

  • Sasja

    We all know those who want to kill are hampered when confronted by a little sign that reads, “no guns allowed.” Right? What this tells them is that there is a 99.9% chance no one in that establishment is armed and therefore is a ready-made shooting gallery. I ignore those little signs when I enter a building because I am not going to be cowering in some corner while evil is roaming the halls trying to kill as many people as it can.

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    I’m liberal, British and proud to be so

    Didn’t the British ban defending yourselves with your Offensive Weapons Act? As my British friends say, “BRILLIANT”!

  • John

    The statistics are here Sasja:

    We do have gun crime in the UK as in all other countries, but still a very low rate compared to the US. Who would seriously suggest that the way to lower it would be to allow all of our citizens to bear arms as the US does?

    To address some of the other comments. It is a naive, simplistic, knee-jerk reaction to say “lock them all up”. There are many different factors underlying these tragic events: anger, disillusionment, mental illness but as the vast majority of angry, disillusioned and mentally ill people don’t commit such acts I would still say that most are unpredictable. It has been stated that Adam Lanza was autistic. About 1% of the US population is autistic, that makes about 3 million individuals does it not?.

  • Brave Sir Robin

    Jimmy Carter’s 1979 Mental Health Reform Act really f’d up the system. It increased FedGov control (Yipeeee!! What could go wrong??), AND, as a whispered after thought, EXPANDED PATIENTS RIGHTS. That is: It made it much more difficult to institutionalize truly sick people.
    This led to an explosion in the homeless population, and yanked away the ability of family to commit dysfunctional people to a state institution.
    It’s amazing how many time bombs lib-tard administrations leave behind. Espcially Carter. Remember, it was Bill Clinton enforcing Jimmy Carter’s Community Lending Act that led to the mortgage crisis of 2008.

  • Arch

    The US Supreme Court has reaffirmed citizens’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms for self defense. If a government or property owner decides to restrict this Constitutional right, he assumes the responsibility to protect and defend those inside the prohibited zone. As in Columbine, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood and now Sandy Hook, the prohibitors have failed the prohibited.

    What happened at SandyHook? Adam Lanza, a deranged 20 year old gunman, killed his mother, took her legally registered weapons and drove her car to the school. Although the security had recently been upgraded and firearms were prohibited, Lanza broke the glass and forced entry. Lanza was the only armed person in the building.

    Suppose the person at the point of entry had been armed and properly trained. Lanza, who apparently knew the security procedures, might have opted for less secure target – a mall or theater. Had he continued, the entry guard could have used deadly force and none of us would have ever heard about the incident. Even without firearms, pepper spray or tear gas could have been used to disable the attacker until help arrived. Teachers should be armed and trained to protect the children in their charge. How could having armed school employees made this situation worse?

    These 26 murders were the result of too few weapons, not too many.

  • Sasja

    John, I had no problem finding another flawed list. Thanks for playing but you’re still all wet, Limey.

  • Dave in NYC

    For all of you nostalgic for the good old days when there was no school violence, please remember that the most deadly school attack in US history came in 1927 in the small town of Bath Township, Michigan. 44 people including 38 children were killed.

    There have always been depraved or insane people in our country. Somehow we have provided them with better tools for their mayhem while taking away the community support and observation that used to keep them in check. I’m not sure how we close that Pandora’s Box at this point. But partisan trolling of the sort that Jim is engaging in here is not the answer.

  • Kissmygrits

    #9 Dec 14th
    Oh, right, Edie, JFK was all things wonderful, just ask the Cuban people.
    I still keep coming back to the mom having 2 handguns and a rifle. Don’t know if she secured them or not, maybe the kid knew the combo or where the keys were since he gained access. Maybe the mom had a mental problem, too. After all those free the mentally unstable laws were enacted is when the homeless situation worsened. Didn’t some homeless guy just toss a man under the subway. Maybe Bloomie will outlaw subways next.
    We all should be praying for the families to be comforted in their horrible loss.

  • My father spent his career in the mental health area specifically working within a state institution. Back in the seventies the effort to “normalize” the mentally ill frightened him. The thrust was to put them back into society and have caretakers monitor their health and interaction with society on a monthly basis.

    Now you have to understand, I grew up around these people. Some where retarded from birth in the form or severe downs syndrome and were not functional. Some were insane in the sense they suffered from schizophrenia and were dangerous both to themselves and others.

    Because of movies like mentioned above the public demanded these victims be released into the public. My dad used to shudder thinking about the outcomes. And as Jim mentioned many of the homeless are mentally ill. I dealt with them on the street and to say they were dangerous and unstable is an understatement.

    In New York at least once every two years we have some person shoved off a subway ramp into a train by a crazy dude, or stabbed or assaulted.

    This is, again, another end result of liberal good intentions gone bad and the Left will pivot, as they always do, and claim it was the guns that did it.

    In retrospect, if the facts are correct, here is a classic case of a person following the law- in Conn. the guns laws are very strict- and was assaulted and killed by someone known to her, who was unstable, and then those legally owned guns were stolen and used to kill innocent people.

    Those people were unable to defend themselves because of the liberal policies in Conn. and other places that prevent teachers and trained personnel from protecting themselves.

    Again, a result of the liberal mindset.

    Years ago, I told a group of people at a church during a police authorized event that we could not get there in time to protect them. That the first, the FIRST, line of defense against a lethal attack was them. That the first few critical moments were their responsibility, and that most of the damage to them or the bad guy would occur between them and the bad guy. Then the police would show up and do a damn fine report.

    I almost got fired.

  • BurmaShave

    Combining a couple of comments I saw on the Commentary web site:

    Liberalism is a form of mental illness. However, locking up lunatics would be a direct assault on Liberalism. So long as Liberalism is in control of academia, the media, the entertainment industry, and much of organized religion and government most lunatics are going to roam free.

  • jainphx

    Some here are saying that mental institutions were emptied by Reagan. This is false. The ACLU sued in court that the mentally afflicted were being incarcerated against there will. The Federal judge found in their favor and threw the doors open.

  • gwhh
  • gsrider

    All of these mass murders have enough sense to seek their victims in a setting where they are defenseless.
    The sweet innocent will soon be the pawns of progressive liberals to further their drive to rid the 2nd mamendment once and for all.

  • Daniel Radner

    This is not serious reporting. It’s tabloid reporting. Shame on you for trying to make this about politics. In fact, some of the self-righteous here are spouting the very kind of hate that causes people to commit these types of terrible acts. And for those of you who want censorship and to give up our freedom? …there are plenty of closed, religious countries you can choose to live in where the rights of all are controlled, people can’t say what they think, nor can they come and go, and women are treated like chattel.

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  • RL

    -This, from another thread, but also belonging here, if you all don’t mind….

    #6 December 15, 2012 at 11:20 am
    RL commented:

    > xkaydet65 commented:

    >The Left will wholeheartedly agree with this premise. The only way to prevent those with >undiagnosed mental illness from getting guns is to keep guns out of everyone’s hands. >Can you say ‘compelling state interest”?

    Agreed, just like it was those 6 million Jewish types loaded with those personal weapons that forced Hitler to come after them…er, wait….

    Let’s make sure that defenseless kids in the womb are regularly whacked on immoral whims with unwilling taxpayer money while conveniently taking each and everyone’s right to defend him or herself. We should force everyone to where special impact suits while driving or walking near roadways to avoid death from auto accidents.

    We’ve continued ceding all this regulatory idiocy to the government in the 50′s and 60′s, and always with the absurd unspoken ideal of some kind of immortality [somehow if we just ban this or throw money at that, we’ll all live happily ever after], when all it really amounts to is having a bureaucrat tell people they don’t have to have any Biblical “fear”, i.e, “respect” or “awe” for their own fallibility or mortality.

    Great results, huh?

    Progressive theft of human dignity from pathetic progressive busybody cockroaches.

  • Brave Sir Robin

    Sorry Daniel Radner: it IS about politics. Because after those poor children are buried, and their parents are still trying to figure out how to cope with an unimaginable loss, some chorus of idiots will proclaim:”THIS MUST NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN! THE GOVERNMENT MUST DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT THIS!!” You can try to seize the moral high-ground here, proclaim we should be praying for the victims, (my family has, and will continue to do so…), and wait for more detail etc.etc.etc. blahh, blahh. That’s idiotic. Why? Because there has already been more than one meeting in the West Wing about the best way to exploit this tragedy. GUARuhnTEED. That’s the left’s first rule: Never let a good crisis go to waste…

  • bg


    Dave in NYC #91 December 15, 2012 at 9:44 am

    rarely say this to you, if ever, but i am in total agreement..


  • bg


    re: #102 December 15, 2012 at 11:33 am bg

    clarification: imho.. any and all cases involving the
    killing of school children
    for any reason are equal..

    that said,

    it was the second half i was in total agreement with..


  • Joel

    Thank God for Guns!!! I used to live in NYC and I now live in a pro-firearms state without the slightest incident. All I can say is I love the ability to defend myself now and concealed carry all the time. In NYC I was beaten up severely by six guys for absolutely no reason and everyone who witnessed it was so terrified they did nothing except for a little old lady in the end. And at one point when I was sure it was all over for me I recall seeing a police car in the distance just going right on by. Yes, what saved me was this little old rich lady with a poodle who screamed at the horror in front of her and the thugs gradually left me alone. I was mugged a few times thereafter and harassed to a degree as is common experience there. If those six guys tried that sh*t on me now there is a great good chance I would pull my CZ75 9mm and they would run or suck down a few hollow points.

  • bg


    RL #100 December 15, 2012 at 11:27 am

    re: [just like it was those 6 million Jewish types loaded with those
    personal weapons that forced Hitler to come after them…er, wait..]

    don’t forget the rest of the armed and dangerous to dictators.. /s/

    [Approximately 11 million people were killed because of Nazi genocidal policy. It was the explicit aim of Hitler’s regime to create a European world both dominated and populated by the “Aryan” race. The Nazi machinery was dedicated to eradicating millions of people it deemed undesirable. Some people were undesirable by Nazi standards because of who they were,their genetic or cultural origins, or health conditions. These included Jews, Gypsies, Poles and other Slavs, and people with physical or mental disabilities. Others were Nazi victims because of what they did. These victims of the Nazi regime included Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, the dissenting clergy, Communists, Socialists, asocials, and other political enemies.

    Those believed by Hitler and the Nazis to be enemies of the state were banished to camps. Inside the concentration camps, prisoners were forced to wear various colored triangles, each color denoting a different group. The letters on the triangular badges below designate the prisoners’ countries of origin.]

    Secrets of Communism (by any other name)

    Murder by Communism (by any other name)

    “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!” ~ Barry Dunham Soetoro Barack
    Hussein Obama (by any other factual, fictitious, composite name)


  • The left has been hammering Mike Huckabee for asserting that removing God from the public conscience is at the root of this. The left refuses to recognize that the rise in secularism that has accompanied the rise in depravity on many levels is not a mere coincidence.

    The left is missing the point on more than one level. These graphics illustrate that a bit…

  • bg


    Joel #104 December 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    your story reminded me of Bernie Goetz, bless him..


  • Joel

    BG #107. I figured as a Jewish guy who sort of looks like a younger Bernie it was best to get the hell out of there if God forbid I have to defend myself, well, now at least I can do it legally!!! I hate NYC largely because of bad experiences and its totally failed Islamo-Nazi polices as I call them.

  • RedFox

    Simple research blows holes in your untimely & inappropriate blame game.
    PS- Ronald Reagan was President of the Screen Actors Guild. AKA Hollywood’s UNION.

  • Patrick M

    ” I have read that Reagan was responsible for a lot of mentally disturbed people being put out of hospitals onto the streets. ”

    That certainly cant be true … the Hinkley shooting happened just a few months after he became president. This deinstitutionalization had been going on for years prior and had nothing to do with Presidential policies. That sounds like a typical liberal distraction phony ‘factoid’.

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  • Patty

    Adam Lanza’s Mom Pulled Him Out of School: Relative

    The aunt of Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza said the shooter’s mother pulled him out of Newtown’s public school system because she was unhappy with the school district’s plans for her son.

    Adam Lanza’s mother Nancy, 54, was the first victim of his Friday shooting spree. Lanza shot Nancy in the face and then drove her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he killed 20 students and six adults before taking his own life.

    Marsha Lanza, who is Adam’s aunt and Nancy’s ex-sister-in-law, told Evelyn Thomas of ABC-owned-and-operated station WLS in Chicago that Nancy had once been a classroom aide at the Sandy Hook school.

    Marsha, who lives in the Chicago suburb of Crystal Lake, said that Nancy had home-schooled Adam after pulling him out of the Newtown public school system. She did not know when Adam had left school. According to former classmates, Adam had attended the local high school at least through part of 10th grade.

    Nancy Lanza divorced her husband Peter in 2009, when Adam was 17. Marsha said the divorce left her well off.

    Marsha also said, however, that Nancy had purchased guns because she was living alone in a big house. Nancy was originally from New Hampshire, said Marsha, and comfortable with weapons.

    According to police, a Glock handgun, a Sig Sauer handgun and a Bushmaster rifle were recovered after the shooting at Sandy Hook. Authorities say that Nancy Lanza had five weapons registered to her, including a Sig Sauer, a Glock and a Bushmaster. Police have not confirmed that hers were the weapons used in the slayings. VIEW
    An undated photo of Nancy Lanza was provided by a family member. (Courtesy Family of Nancy Lanza)

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  • shadow

    Jimmy Carter’s 1979 Mental Health Reform Act really f’d up the system.

    You mean the one Reagan repealed as soon as he took office?

    Remember, it was Bill Clinton enforcing Jimmy Carter’s Community Lending Act that led to the mortgage crisis of 2008.

    Not even close. Most of the loans that defaulted were less than three years old, mostly written between 2002 and 2004. Clinton was long gone by then.

  • shadow

    The Federal judge found in their favor and threw the doors open.

    Care to cite the case?


    Most people with metal illness, intellectual disabilities, physical disabilities, and neurological impairments are not violent. Advocating for them to be institutionalized violates morality and human freedom.

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  • bg


    in a bit of an interview i saw yesterday, the
    neighbors didn’t seem to care much for the
    Mother at all.. inferred she mistreated kids..


  • bg


    1979 Mental Health Reform Act

    personally never understood why so many Reps & Dems praised
    RR so much, i mean, he was more ‘Liberal’ than i was at the time,
    ergo, i detested him as well.. GWB was much more Conservative
    than RR..

    via NYT – October 30, 1984


    [They’ve Gone Far, Too Far’

    In California, for example, the number of patients in state mental hospitals reached a peak of 37,500 in 1959 when Edmund G. Brown was Governor, fell to 22,000 when Ronald Reagan attained that office in 1967, and continued to decline under his administration and that of his successor, Edmund G. Brown Jr. The senior Mr. Brown now expresses regret about the way the policy started and ultimately evolved. ”They’ve gone far, too far, in letting people out,” he said in an interview.

    Dr. Robert H. Felix, who was then director of the National Institute of Mental Health and a major figure in the shift to community centers, says now on reflection: ”Many of those patients who left the state hospitals never should have done so. We psychiatrists saw too much of the old snake pit, saw too many people who shouldn’t have been there and we overreacted. The result is not what we intended, and perhaps we didn’t ask the questions that should have been asked when developing a new concept, but psychiatrists are human, too, and we tried our damnedest.”]

    Electronic Journal of Sociology (1998)

    Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill:
    Capital, Interest Groups, and the Eclipse of Social Policy


    Conventional wisdom suggests that the reduction of funding for social welfare policies during the 1980s is the result of a conservative backlash against the welfare state. With such a backlash, it should be expected that changes in the policies toward involuntary commitment of the mentally ill reflect a generally conservative approach to social policy more generally. In this case, however, the complex of social forces that lead to less restrictive guidelines for involuntary commitment are not the result of conservative politics per se, but rather a coalition of fiscal conservatives, law and order Republicans, relatives of mentally ill patients, and the practitioners working with those patients. Combined with a sharp rise in homelessness during the 1980s, Ronald Reagan pursued a policy toward the treatment of mental illness that satisfied special interest groups and the demands of the business community, but failed to address the issue: the treatment of mental illness


    The concerns of the general public were also mobilized in the context of fear over the possibility of a patient committing a violent or otherwise anti-social act. Media attention paid to the problems of the mental health system tended to concentrate in two areas: the growing homelessness problem of the early 1980s and the possibility of criminal acts committed by deinsitutionalized patients. Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, hundreds of thousands of mentally ill people concentrated in the inner cities. With the rise of gentrification during the 1980s, many of them became displaced from their relatively affordable housing and were unable to fin d new accommodations. Many of these patients had lost contact with family members and were unable to work, and many did not have health insurance. Thus, they were unable to receive mental health services in the private sector. Media coverage of the growin g homeless problem helped to pressure legislators in many states to rewrite commitment laws to extend the net and make the streets “safer.”

    This media attention played into, and supported, the growing perception of violent crime as a problem in the United States. The Reagan Administration answered this general alarm by calling for quick and severe punishment of offenders. For those offenders who were not mentally ill, prison was normally seen as the solution (Gans, 1995). For the mentally ill however, involuntary committment seemed the best answer. Either way, quick removal of individuals threatening the social order fit well with the administration’s “law and order” stance (LaFond and Durham, 1992, 114).

    The new laws, however, were not intended to make it easier to commit the dangerous mentally ill. Rather, the new laws had more general application and made it easier to commit those only considered a threat (Lafond & Durham, 1992, 118). In addition to this, many of the existing liberal justices began to rule on a “right of treatment” clause rather than a straight civil libertarian viewpoint. The result was that at both the state and federal level, the court became increasingly reluctant to strike down legislation that broadened the definition of who was eligible for involuntary commitment (119). Again, this more stringent approach meshed well with the “law and order” stance taken by the administration.]

    President Reagan on Mental Health Crises 1986-PART 1

    of course times and context have to be taken into consideration,
    perhaps that’s the answer, he did the best for the times he was
    charged.. 😉


  • bg


    re: Progressive Policies Are to Blame
    for the Mass Shooting in Sandy Hook

    should be an insult to anyone’s intelligence,
    even those of the dumbestof trolls.. /sarc/


  • Far Right Loon

    So can anyone explain to me what this means?

    Many pundits today may be wondering what it is about Barack Obama that is causing all of these mass shootings.
    That’s a topic for another day.

    Does anyone really believe that the POTUS is causing these mass shootings?

  • bg


    just a sample:

    Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

    scroll and click for more, or not, your choice..


  • Ina

    I put the blame right where it belongs, the ACLU. This got really bad in the 80s, you could not spank your child, or child services were called. Well that was still not good enough so any and everything that had teachings of self control and common morals were seen as wrong. Well, people this is what you get when you raise a bunch of kids that are now adults that have no guilt, no morals, and no respect for anyone. ALCU, the blood of these kids are on your hands. As for the president, he is the best actor of all times, what about the kid over in Mexico prison. Has he raised a hand or a voice on his behalf. Lets get back to basics and teach our kids morales and human life is a treasure. And most of all we need to pray to God for forgiveness.

  • chris

    Jim, what was it about George W Bush that made some nutjob shoot 32 people at Virginia Tech in 2007?

    Rush Limbaugh says liberals are trying to blame this new shooting on conservatives, at pretty much the same time the conservative Jim Hoft is trying to blame it on liberal policies.

    The irony probably escapes everyone reading this cesspool of a blog.

  • bg


    chris #124 December 15, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    and it’s quite evident that you
    haven’t read everyone on this
    blogs post..


  • Hester

    “Many pundits today may be wondering what it is about Barack Obama that is causing all of these mass shootings.”

    A thoroughly stupid and pathetic comment.

  • It’s Time To Repeal the 2nd Amendment!

    Removing God…THAT IS THE PROBLEM!


    OK, got it. So, according to people like Huckabee and some on this website “God” was so angry about being taken out of schools that he decided to allow a maniac to come in and kill 20 little babies in an elementary school???

    Is your god that petulant and petty? Think about this: why did he not protect those babies? Why did he allow it to happen? Is he not “all-powerful”?

    While you all are “praying for the victims” throw in a request for God to bring those children back to life. That would be a miracle that would truly bring peace on earth would it not?

    The most appalling thing about you gun enthusiasts is that you simultaneously claim to believe in having the protection of a god while clinging to your guns for (real) protection. Why don’t you ask for God to protect you and forgo weapons?? (Kinda like Jesus)

    The answer is that in REAL TERMS you are NOT believers. Sure, on your tongues, you believe in your deity, but in ACTION you most certainly do NOT. Otherwise, you would ask your god to protect you and the children. You would not offer an empty slogan of “prayers for the victims” but actually PRAY that God brings back those children since you believe he has the power to do so. But you know that he will NOT bring those children back. Now think about why?

  • Steve

    SNL Pays Tribute to the Sandy Hook, CT shooting with a NY City Children’s Choir singing “Silent Night”… (touching)

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    Right, because only GUN ENTHUSIASTS kill people. You believe government will solve this problem. Tell that to 100 million dead who were killed by their own government in the last century after they confiscated or denied their citizens the right to defend themselves with a firearm.

    Please go peddle your bs elsewhere.

  • Neo

    The massacre in CT can be laid at the feet of the our government

    Last night it also emerged Nancy was a member of the Doomsday Preppers movement, which believes people should prepare for end of the world.

    Her former sister-in-law Marsha said she had turned her home ‘into a fortress’. She added: ‘Nancy had a survivalist philosophy which is why she was stockpiling guns. She had them for defense.

    ‘She was stockpiling food. She grew up on a farm in New Hampshire. She was skilled with guns. We talked about preppers and preparing for the economy collapsing.’

    … Trillion dollar deficits lead to the massacre .. but who is responsible for that ?

  • Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157

    Trillion dollar deficits lead to the massacre .. but who is responsible for that ?

    We are! We voted for the people who directly created the environment, or allowed buearucrats to do it. We own it, and only we can change it.

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  • mg4us

    Agree with many of you about failed progressive policies and lack of morality. .it is a direct result of trying to bannish GOD from the classroom. .

    And also putting too many kids on drugs. . with adverse reaction

    or letting kids get desensitized with violence on TV and movies and video games instead of sports or clubs. .

    When boy-scouts are shunned and ridiculed as old fashioned. . .

    When parents have no time for their kids. .

    And presidents create an environment of division and gutter speak. . . with little care of a dead ambassador or US citizens. .

    Why are we surprised. .

  • JJ

    This is the investigation that should take place. Instead the anti-gun talking heads will prevail.

  • mrt721

    via Oath Keepers:

    The Federal Government is Guilty Accomplice in School Shooting in Newtown Connecticut

    “This shooting is yet another tragic example of the failed, grotesque insistence on helpless victim zones where any crazed gunman can be assured of a large number of disarmed, undefended, helpless victims, all crammed into one place, where he can kill many children before an armed defender arrives from elsewhere. It is disturbing and sick that the federal government so hates the right of the American people to bear arms, and so hates their natural right to self defense, that the government insists on making them helpless, disarmed victims for anyone who cares to kill them. And in this case, all of the teachers and staff were willfully disarmed by the Federal Government, by force of law and threat of prison, to ensure that they would be disarmed and incapable of saving the lives of the children entrusted to their care.”

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  • GiveMeABreak

    How about RONALD REAGAN, who dismantled the state mental health institutions? or the NRA, that systematically undermined any reasonable gun control measures?

  • Inbred TeaBagger

    Jeeezus…you are one stupid MOFO.