Ron Paul: The Election Shows “We’re So Far Gone, We’re Over the Cliff”

Ron Paul is the latest conservative to suggest Tuesday’s election shows the United States is too far gone.
Washington Times reported:

Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week’s elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.

“We’re so far gone. We’re over the cliff,” the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television’s “In the Loop” program. “We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next 5-10 years who will do wise things.” The video can be seen at Bloomberg.

Mr. Paul, who is retiring after 12 terms in the House, said voters on Tuesday rejected Mitt Romney because he had opposed the government bailout of General Motors and Chrysler…

…”People do not want anything cut,” he said. “They want all the bailouts to come. They want the Fed to keep printing the money. And they don’t believe that we’ve gone off the cliff or are close to going off the cliff. They think we can patch it over, that we can somehow come up with some magic solution. But you can’t have a budgetary solution if you don’t change what the role of government should be.

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  • ★FALCON★

    Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP

    The GOP only has themselves to blame for letting a liberaltarian run in the primary. I doubt it’s a lesson learned considering the GOP establishment is hell bent on letting Communists take over the country without a fight.

  • bear

    Paul is correct.

    All who voted for the obamster now are fluent in Greek. They will riot and burn if ANY cuts to their pig trough entitlements are even mentioned.

  • Sasja

    We’ve gone over the cliff and have crashed and burned and all our glorious bureaucrats are having a bang-up time of it in the process.

  • Dale

    I agree that we’re over the cliff, we’re going to end up like Rhodesia did – ZIMBABWE. This country is unrecognizable beyond belief. The Conservatives are an even smaller minority than the Republicans are in this country. It will be IMPOSSIBLE to ever elect a Republican president ever again. It’s over folks, your country is gone.

  • CT

    Ron Paul’s point is well taken, but I have to wonder how many Paulbots sat home on their ass effectively helping to re-elect the Obamination over spite?

  • Chris W.

    Well then you should have endorsed Romney.

    Romney’s hand can be forced into signing fiscally responsible legislation. Obama’s cannot.

    On second thought, retire now and go away forever Ron.

  • Commissar

    It only means that GOP is not a viable player anymore – let them dick around with themselves and let’s organize around the only thing that still may unite us The Constitution on Anti Communist/Anti Muslim Fascist platform. We have nothing left to loose and nowhere else to go – No Pasaran!

  • ★FALCON★

    CT commented:

    Ron Paul’s point is well taken, but I have to wonder how many Paulbots sat home on their ass effectively helping to re-elect the Obamination over spite?

    All of them. Paul who ran in the Republican primary wouldn’t even endorse Romney.

    They’re petulant children who want free drugs and the destruction of Israel, that’s all.

  • Monkey Wrench


    Then you should leave and find a country more to your liking. America! Love it or leave it!

  • Ron Paul is the latest conservative to sugg……

    Dr. Spaceman’s a what ?

    That’s the biggest laugh I’ve had in a long time.

  • myohmy

    How many ego maniac libertarians sit these out?

  • raybojabo

    Thank God this two-faced gasbag is finally retiring. His Paulbots did more to derail conservatives than any Democrat because they worked from the inside out posing as Republicans. Go to Colorado or Washington and smoke your dope and join the other liberals.

  • bg
  • Gaius Baltar

    And NOW you all want to heed Dr. Paul’s warnings?!!!

  • Ray

    I was a delegate to the GOP convention. Had a conversation with a Paul delegate who faltly told me he was not voting for Romney or Scott Brown(he was from Massachussetts). Really pissed me off.

  • Look-Out

    OT–FOX just listed the most accurate POLLSTERS:

    #1 – PPP

    #2 – DAILY KOS

    Surprise, surprise…

  • donh

    Obama benefited from time travel magic to move the Jimmy Carter effects of his policies beyond the 4 year span of his first term. He succeeded with such illusions as faking unemployment readings to project an appearance unemployment was slowly going down and a slow recovery poised to turn the corner at any moment.

    We never got Jimmy Carter inflation or interest rates either….No big stock market crashes…..NOW on 11/8 we have the Jimmy Carter misery index busting out all over . Gas rationing …The Carter system of odd even license plate numbers is now in place in NY and NJ. The full blown misery of Obamacare was also put off until after the election….

    Our timing was off in preaching about catastrophes to come….They have to hit for voters to act…. Romney’s campaign has at least positioned our party to benefit going forward as the Obamaland fantasy world collapses.

  • Whistleblower
  • Monkey Wrench


    Rasmussen did very, very poorly. They came in near the bottom.

    Btw, Nate Silver was awesome again this election, with a near perfect record. He predicted 49 of the 49 states that have been decided!

  • owl

    Don’t mind telling you that I will never forgive a few people for not coming to the aid of their country by throwing their support AGAINST Obama by supporting Romney.

    Ron Paul……..Agree with about 90% of what you say but that 10% is an absolute killer. Anyone that could not find the decency to support ANY candidate against Obama is lower than dirt to me.

    Christie………be gone dirtbag. Rick Santorum……..never, ever could you convince me to vote for you after keeping on and on after you KNEW you were not going to win. I say you and Christie need to get together, throw a party, invite Ron, Nanny & Powell and then throw in a few Scoopers and you can continue to beat the crap out of Romney.

  • Mama Grizzly


    I’ve been posting here a long time, but I have something to share.

    The election numbers are not accurate. We did not lose this election. The majority of Independents going for Romney, a large segment of disillusioned Democrats, and a huge turnout from Evangelicals were enough to put it over.

    The issue is in the voting software.

    Millions of lines of code, sub-routine upon sub-routine, encryption, and timed, automatic write-over of code, put the election numbers in their final reported state. This is untraceable and would take YEARS to uncover as there is too much to sift through and analyze.

    It was a BRILLIANT strategy.

    “Guilty as sin, free as a bird…” –Ayers

    What to do?

    Again, the key–the problem is NOT in the voting machines, but in the software, which you will not be able to get to to unravel. But all is not lost.

    Here it is: for those who know the right people, this can happen, but it’s technical.

    “If representative stratified samples are taken of paper ballots, statistically it can be determined with precision accuracy what the final votes should have been based on those paper ballots. If the statistical estimates based on the representative stratified samples don’t match the electronic election results, then there is a problem with how the electronic results were tabulated. It could take a tremendously long time to try to find problems in software coding if the software program used to tabulate the votes is very large or sophisticated, but you don’t need to identify the software problem if representative stratified sampling shows that the electronic tabulation doesn’t match the statistical estimates. If representative stratified sampling shows that the electronic tabulation doesn’t match the statistical estimates, it evidences that the electronic tabulation is flawed.”

    (source above, protected)

    Please forward to appropriate parties who may have the ability to investigate and to do this higher level statistical analysis –especially in the swing states.

    This is my last post as “Mama Grizzly.” Will return under another post name later. Love you guys. Take care. Don’t be discouraged. This information is extremely important. We didn’t really lose.

    Sorry for all the “cloak and dagger” stuff, but sometimes that’s what it is.

  • bg


    Gaius Baltar #14 November 8, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    oh please, who hasn’t made those warnings at one point or another..

    fact is, Ron Paul and his pal George Soros did more to block
    a Romney Victory than most all other fraud tactics combined..

    not to mention the following..

    November 8, 2012

    Obama Lost in Every State
    with a Voter Photo-ID Law

    [Curiously, Obama lost in every state that requires a photo ID to be produced before voting. A list of closely contested state elections with no voter ID, which narrowly went to Obama include: Minnesota (10), Iowa (6), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania (20).

    This amounts to a total of 66 electoral votes. When added to Romney’s total of 205 electoral votes, that would give Romney 271 electoral votes, enough votes to win even without Ohio or Florida Romney also likely had the states of Florida and Ohio stolen from him, which don’t require photo IDs.]

    One Vote … With Valid ID

    [Perhaps Congress can invite former President Jimmy Carter to provide expert testimony to support states voter ID laws because it appears by their copious years of reporting, that it has been his Carter Center’s decades-long international experience that voters adequately identifying themselves to election officials provides “additional safeguards”, a “substantial degree of security and confidence in the electoral system”, no matter what country, race, what color, what language.]

    nor our Troops Disfranchisement..

    Defense Department can’t put soldiers, ballots together

    [Barack Obama is president and commander-in-chief of the U.S. military but after his attorneys argued in court that service members who are fighting for the defense of the nation deserve no special accommodation to vote, a number of elected officials are raising questions about the White House commitment to the soldier’s rights


    The ACLJ statement continued, “To hold, as the Obama campaign argues, that our men and women in uniform do not deserve these special considerations, that providing them is ‘entirely arbitrary,’ and that there is ‘no legitimate justification’ for recognizing and addressing the unique situation that the brave members of our military face with regarding to protecting their right to vote would have disastrous affects on the numerous military voting rights laws that have been passed both federally and at the state level.”]


  • bg
  • Winston Wolfe

    And NOW you all want to heed Dr. Paul’s warnings?!!! – Gaius Baltar

    Nope. I’m blaming him and and people like you as a major part of the reason we have another four years of President M. T. Chair.

  • Monkey Wrench


    Yawn. Dems made same claim after 2004 election.

  • Bill

    All of you who are saying its over need to snap out of it. If not get out of the way. You think it was all roses when the British were running Washington into the ground. You think it was great when the continental army was holed for the winter with nothing. We pick ourselves up like we always do and then we win. We have time on our side they do not. The bill is coming due and someone has to pay it. It will not be us. Do not believe the lie that we are outnumbered it is a lie. When we learn the truth a day of reckoning wil come. Lord only knows why he aloud this to happen but now is not the time to give up. We will win God is the only one who knows the outcome of this all. Surprises and blessings could happen at anytime. Do not fear all is not lost. God bless.

  • Bill

    Sorry for my horrible spelling. Touchscreens

  • You mean, never met a pork project I din’t like Dr. Ron Paul?

    The Ron Paul that would vote last so he could safely vote NO and still get his pork?

    The Ron Paul that was so worried about spending, but never endorsed the Republican and whose minions abandoned the GOP?

    That Ron Paul?

    Screw that nutjob. He needs to be gone.

  • Buzzy

    Monkey Wrench- Every time the Democrats claim anything against the Republicans, you know they are in fact guilty of that deed. Then there is also there consistent lying, non-stop.

  • texascitizen

    Right is not determined by popular vote. We have passed the tipping point with a majority of corrupt selfish takers. The result can be none other than total collapse

  • shadow

    It might have been notable had come from someone other than Ron Paul. Paul’s native tongue is hyperbole.

  • Greg

    The comments on here are a joke. First off, Obama won by such a large margin that if you added up all of the third party votes in any state and gave them to Romney, the outcome would have been exactly the same. Same is true of the popular vote. Look it up for yourself.

    Secondly, both sides of the media blatantly ignored Ron Paul even though he was polling high and winning straw polls and primaries.

    Third, how can you slam the one person that votes consistently for smaller government which is exactly what you claim you want? Romney was such a blatant flip flopper and would say anything to get the vote, which he didn’t get. Get over it, stop blaming everyone else but the Republican Party. Chris Christie, Libertarians, Ron Paul, etc. Get over it!

    Everyone ignored Ron Paul until it was time for him to endorse Romney, then everyone wanted his endorsement. What a joke. I’m so glad he didn’t endorse anyone. It’s called principles, if he endorsed Romney, he might as well have thrown everything he’s ever stood for out the window.

    Quit looking for someone to blame. I thought Ron Paul was irrelevant? If he was, then why blame him for Mitt’s loss?

  • shadow

    Btw, Nate Silver was awesome again this election, with a near perfect record. He predicted 49 of the 49 states that have been decided!F

    But it looks like he will get Florida wrong, if they ever call the state.

  • Paz

    As usual, Dr. Ron Paul is right. Fortunately for the GOP, several of his endorsements (not easy to get) won their House races. You can expect more “Dr. No’s,” neocon scum.

  • Michael

    I wanted Romney to win but Paul supporters had every right to vote there principles after how the GOP establishment treated Paul and his delegates at the convention. Their dick move caused them the election. Instead of embracing people who want to follow the Constitution, they shunned them. How can anyone expect support after that? Seriously, it was affirmation of the “lesser of the two evils” mantra.

    Meanwhile, Dem are handing out candy to anyone who will vote for them. It was the perfect storm to steal defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Here we are… GOPs fault for losing. I hope they learn so we don’t get Hitlery or that dumbass Elizabeth Warren in 2016.

  • Greg

    Nice Michael! Wish there was a thumbs up button.

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  • shadow

    Millions of lines of code, sub-routine upon sub-routine, encryption, and timed, automatic write-over of code,

    Whoever wrote this knows nothing about software.

  • Enjoyed this post.good to see a few sensible and reasoned comments,as for those trying to blame R P constitutional libertarians for mitt witts loss 90% voted for gary jhonson or wrote in Ron Paul even where it wouldnt count(Principle) a handfull voted obummer and mitt witt while many never voted at all.What does it matter when the economy goes over the cliff whether its 110mph or 115mph its gone under either of these poor excuses for President.!.

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  • oldguy

    Like an alcholic, America must go all the way to the bottom before it can solve it’s problems.

  • carrier pigeon

    also over on there was a discussion about election results under “what happened to 7 million…” on the 8th (archived) and one of the guys ( lots of computer engineers there) wrote a quick code that gave Obama every third vote of Romney’s

  • BIF

    I agree with about 90% of Ron Paul’s positions, particularly domestically.

    However, Ron Paul is a narcissistic, egomaniac, all wrapped up in the this false pretense of being “principled.” To Paul and his Paulistas, “principaled” means never going along with anything unless is exactly what you want. Which is ironic because Paul and his cult spout continually how they are the only ones that can return us to the principals of our Founding Fathers, and the Constitution- which was a document of massive compromise! Can you imagine Paul teleported back in time to the Constitutional Convention, when truly smart men are debating the Constitution, and they finally agree and are ready to sign. There would be Paul over there with his arms crossed, head turned away, refusing to sign.

    Paul isn’t an agent of change, he’s nothing but a gloryhound that gets off on having his small clan of adoring fans fawning over him at every stop.

    Understand something Paulistas- being a chronic malcontent is not a strategy. It is not a solution. Ron Pauls (chronic malcontents) of the world, never lead change. Their satisfaction in life is just telling everybody else what’s wrong with their plans and ideas, and they are always so proud of that. They live for being able to tell someone “told you so.” Chronic malcontents can, and never will be leaders. They are not capable.

    If Paul and his followers, really, really, really, wanted a solution, if they wanted to “return” to the Founder’s way. Then they would have workable, winnable strategy. Supporting a guy who garners support of less than 5% of the populace is not a winning strategy. Maybe step two might be to win a couple battles before trying to win the whole war. Can you imagine Washington, Adams, or a Jefferson having a Paulista attitude. We wouldn’t have a USA!

    Rand Paul on the other hand is a different story. He appears to have the same beliefs as his father, tempered with a pragmatic and can do attitude. That man just might have a strategy for making it happen. He’s the one that conservatives should be watching. But alas you Paulistas will end up not supporting him because somewhere along the way, he will “sell out”…………

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