LANDSLIDE WATCH: Romney Holds Massive Lead Over Obama With Independent Voters …Update: Romney Up in CO, OH and IA

A new Resurgent Republic poll shows Mitt Romney continues to hold a massive lead over Barack Obama.
Mitt leads by 12 points with independent voters.

In a poll released last week, Mitt Romney led Obama by 19 points among independent voters.

According to Megyn Kelly on America Live, Romney’s numbers with independent voters is the sharpest tilt since Ronald Reagan’s 49 state landslide in 1984.

More from Drudge:

WISC: R 49% O 49%…
COLO: R 50% O 47%…
IOWA: R 49% O 48%…
OHIO: R 49% O 46%…

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  • Granny

    Do not count the chickens! The eggs haven’t hatched yet!

    VOTE as if your life depends on it because it does!

  • Finncrisp

    If you were a Democrat and left the party because of Obama, you’re an independent. If you left the Republican party to become independent, you are probably Tea Party.

    How could Obama tap into the expanding Independent vote? MSM trying to cover this up, but now it is clear that this is what has happened.

    This is not 2008, and Barry is not able to run as the “messiah” anymore.

  • Sasja
  • Milt

    Back up your rhetoric with a determination to vote the Obama Regime and his minions out of office on November 6th 2012. Tell your friends and family we need their vote to save America!

  • owl

    Agree with granny…………….vote like your life depended on it. Get it done.

    Obama is already on the stump and he has incorporated yesterday’s disaster into today’s speech. He is going to ‘not leave anyone behind’. He intends to ride Sandy/Christie.

  • owl

    He is back with the Osama is dead and the enemy is weakened crap.

    Shouting Osama is dead. So are the 4 Americans you deliberately decided to let die.

  • Practical Jane

    Make no assumptions. Vote.

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  • We should all vote like our lives depend on it. Then sit back, pop the popcorn and enjoy the landslide.

  • Monkey Wrench

    I don’t understand the logic. Is everyone assuming that Independents are still undecided? If they are not undecided, then their choice of candidate is already included in the polls. If there was some evidence that Undecides are leaning Romney, that would be meaningful.

    Unfortunately, Obama is leading the electorial college. With the press Romney is getting in Ohio, things look grim! I don’t see how Romney gets to 270 without Ohio. Many of the swing states are very close, but the only state that Romney actually leads in is North Carolina.

    I don’t see any actual data that suggests a Romney win, much less a landslide.

  • Bigkahuna

    Jobs on east coast will flourish with cleanup and rebuilding starts on east coast after the initial shock wears off. One big issue I see is many don’t have flood insurance. I wonder if the fires will be blamed on flood ?

    The winner will have both burden of helping to manage it and benefit from the economic impact of rebuilding

  • Granny
  • Granny

    #10 November 1, 2012 at 11:07 am
    Monkey Wrench commented:

    Unfortunately, Obama is leading the electorial college.

    Where the heck did you hear that? Not by any numbers I’ve heard . . .

  • archtop

    #13 November 1, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Granny commented:

    #10 November 1, 2012 at 11:07 am
    Monkey Wrench commented:

    “Unfortunately, Obama is leading the electorial college.”

    “Where the heck did you hear that? Not by any numbers Ive heard . . .”

    Granny is right. In fact, no one leads anything yet!! Polls are NOT votes. The majority of Americans have yet to vote. So get out there and VOTE next Tuesday. Vote for Romney. And convince your neighbors to vote for Romney too.

  • DMG

    Resurgent Republic is a right wing, agenda driven orginization, but I guess biased sources play well here, as long as they have the “right” bias.

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  • Faye

    What I want for my birthday present on November 7th is a Romney victory.
    Everybody vote and take a carload of people with you to the voting precinct.
    Let’s have a revolution through the ballot box and mind how you vote on those electronic machines, make sure it records your vote correctly.

  • American Woman

    They are saying Obama has the Electoral votes:

    FiveThirtyEight – Nate Silver\’s Political Calculus
    November 1, 2012, 10:16 am270 Comments
    Oct. 31: Obama’s Electoral College ‘Firewall’ Holding in Polls

    On Oct. 11, this blog posed the question of whether President Obama’s “firewall” in battleground states was all that it was cracked up to be.

    At that point, Mr. Obama still technically held the lead in the FiveThirtyEight forecast in enough states to give him 270 electoral votes. But Colorado, Florida and Virginia had turned red in our map, meaning that our forecast suggested that Mitt Romney had better-than-even odds of winning them. Iowa was just on the verge of doing so. And Mr. Obama’s lead was down to just a percentage point or so in Ohio, which would have collapsed his firewall at its foundation.

    Read it at:

  • Bill Mitchell

    I mean how the hell does Romney win Independents by 19 points but the poll is tied? That is some freakin crazy math.

    The most anyone ever won Indies by and lost was 4.

  • Bill Mitchell

    Any “model” which accepts at face value swing state polls using D+8 to D+11 samples must be immediately discounted as pure fantasy.

  • Mahdi Al-Dajjal

    DNC Propaganda Machine (dba MSM) is suppressing ALL NEWS about roving gangs of Negro Youths (calling themselves “Wolf Packs”) who are terrorizing people locked in their homes and who are looting stores from New Jersey to Connecticut.

  • Carmelita

    Anybody quoting Nate Silver at this point is delusional. He is using state polls only which are contradicted by national polls and also logic. The state polling results are essentially saying that there are more Democrats than Independents and Republicans together. I call shenanigans on that – as with some of the posters on this thread.

  • arnonerik

    To DMG:
    Do you really think the Left does not front, promote and support agenda driven organizations?
    Also, thanks to our empty suit, empty chair. failed President, the majority of the country will have the “right” bias for the next 20 years.

  • don

    voted today. i’ve done all i can. now it’s up to everyone else to do their part. the media lies. dont believe that anyone is ahead or behind. get your vote in and let the dumb butts be guided by the polls. only stupid people dont vote because they think an election is won or lost before it’s even held.

  • valerie

    #10 November 1, 2012 at 11:07 am
    Monkey Wrench commented:

    Polls are normalized using party identification, which can be fluid. Right now a LOT of people who may have identified themselves as Democrats have changed to independent. So the split in the vote of independents may tell where the big middle will land in this election cycle.

  • Bill Mitchell

    If MSM pollsters want to oversample Democrats that’s fine, but we need a law that states any polling result must be accompanied by the sample used in the announcement.

  • As I’ve said for months, this race will NOT be close

    Romney will disembowel Obama in Nov 6th, it’s not going to be pretty

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  • bigkahuna

    I will say it again.

    Obama won by 5-6% in 2008 where he had large support because of unseen numbers in black community. Highest levels ever. McCain was a lousy candidate, Country was tired of war and 8 years of Bush and liberals were highly energized

    2012. Blacks wont vote as high and a small pewrcentage-5%-10% wont vote for him because of lousy record, gay marriage etc etc etc.

    Catholics and christians are mad and many of those who voted for Obama will switch becuase of Obamacare, Abortion, economy etc

    Jewish voters will switch by 8%-20% would be my guess. He hates Israel make no mistake.

    Soccer moms….Gas, Food, Utilities, Health insurance are all much higher, jobs fewer taxes going up. Will lose 20% at least

    Few if any McCain voters will switch to Obama

    Youth Vote: Most are living in mom and dads basement. Will lose 35%-45% of those voters or they wont vote period.

    White males: those are down big time for Obama

    Moderate Democrats: Economy sucks, Foodstamps , welfare all up, No solutions stale agenda…Will lose 15% of them.

    Black Christians…Gay marriage ouch. will lose 10%

    Romney sweep.

  • EBL

    Nate Silver doubles down again…

    Let’s prove Silver wrong.

  • valerie

    Here: about interpreting polls

    But the only poll that counts is the election.

  • Patty

    ‘If You Voted For Obama in 2008 and Don’t in 2012, You Never Really Voted For Him’

    “A remarkably successful, historic first term?” Is that why Obama’s favorability rating is below 50 percent with most Americans believing the country is on the wrong track?

    How does Sullivan create the appearance of a “remarkably successful, historic first term” despite the President’s failures?

    By lying about Obama’s record, of course.

    “Unemployment is lower now than it was when he took office?”

    No, it’s actually the same as when he took office at a rather dubious 7.8 percent rate that likely won’t be the case when the Labor Department reports October’s numbers Friday.

    And how about this doozy later in the piece: “But take his second term away? Back to ballooning, rather than shrinking deficits.”

    Is that what we’ve seen in the past four years? Shrinking budget deficits?

    Quite the contrary, Obama has presided over the largest budget deficits in history.

    As such, how much of a shill must one be to put in print verifiable lies?

    I’d say Sullivan should be ashamed of himself, but he clearly lost any shame he possessed years ago.

    Read more:

    If you voted for Obama in 08, just stay home this time around. Your vote will be cancelled out 2 fold.

  • Patty
  • Patty

    Sorry, Beltway Media, the Tea Party Is Here–and Fighting to Win

    President Obama does not sing from the Tea Party songbook–not during the debates, and not during his presidency. He began his presidency by saying that “only government” can fix our economy, and then he went on to test his big-government theory at the expense of American families. He said to entrepreneurs “you didn’t build that” without the help of big-government, and when he was asked at the first presidential debate about his view on the role of government, President Obama launched into a long, leftist list of all the great things big government can do; from security to railroads to land grants, science, colleges, high school and job training. He finished it all off by saying that big-government “doesn’t restrict people’s freedom; that enhances it.” George Orwell, creator of “newspeak” in the classic book 1984, is either smiling or spinning in his grave.

    So, if the Tea Party is dead, then why are both presidential candidates debating our issues–issues that are shaping the national debate in America’s 2012 campaign?

    Despite Dionne’s dire (and erroneous) predictions, nothing has changed since 2010. The Tea Party is still alive and well and shaping the national debate and still having a huge impact on a national election.–and-Fighting%20to%20Win

    Optimism!! That is the key. You believe it and it will come true.

  • Conrad

    @ Monkey Wrench:

    The reason why most of us think Romney is going to win is that most of the polls have way too many Dems in their samples. In effect, those polls assume that the same people who voted in 2008 (i.e., the same ratio of D/R/I) are going to be voting this year. Thus, even though Obama was riding a wave of support among blacks and young voters (most notably) four years ago, and even though a lot of incipient Tea Partiers stayed home because they were dispirited or hated McCain, these polls assume that the electorate will be just about the same as it was in ’08. However, most of think this is nonsense. We think a lot more Rs and R-supporting independents will get out and vote this time, and that fewer Dems will.

    Even if that DIDN’T happen, it’s still a close race. But if it is correct (as Gallup and other believe) that the Dems will not significantly outnumber Republicans this time, it should make for a relatively comfortable win for Romney.

    Nate Silver has a model that basically accepts at face value what the (mostly state) polls’ say is D/R/I split as if that will be actual turnout on Election Day. So it comes down to, if you think the Dems will outnumber Republicans like they did in 2008, Obama will win. If you don’t think so, then then those same polls’ results, in terms of candidate preference, would suggest a comfortable Romney win.

  • Spider

    All the MSM has left is to discourage the vote for Romney.

    Don’t let it happen.

    Get your family to vote, get your friends to vote, and get your neighbors to vote.

    They will be manipulating the ‘results’ during the day to discourage you…. don’t believe it!

    Make this the landslide it deserves to be!

  • Monkey Wrench

    Folks that are questioning the polling, go to Real Clear Politics. It’s a fairly conservative website. It has poll averages. Check out the electorial college numbers. They don’t look good. Things are close, but definitely leaning Obama. And NO, polling outfits do not “normalize” based on party identification. They just report the Party id they happen to have in their random sample.

    More people have identified as Democrats forever. There has only been one or two years in the last 50 where Dems have not had the largest party id.

  • Lars

    The shock is in the clock, five days.

  • Monkey Wrench

    As far as Nate Silver goes, he accurately predicted outcomes for 49 of 50 states. He averages polls but does weight them based on their past performance, how recently the poll was taken, etc… He is a nerd and nerds are right more than they are wrong. Just look at the Mars rover. That was brought to us by the many, many, many nerds who work at NASA.

    Btw, he is the guy who wrote a statistical analysis system for evaluating the future performance of baseball players, based on their past performance. He has since sold the company, but it is one of the main systems used in major league baseball today. Think Moneyball. Different system, but same idea.

    But even Silver gives Romney a 21% chance of winning. It’s not over. There is still a chance. Get out and vote!!!

  • Monkey Wrench

    Sorry. He accurately predicted the outcomes for 49 of 50 states in 2008.

  • Spider

    The so called ‘Independents’ are going to swing this thing to a landslide for Mitt.

    No one’s polls accurately account for Indys.

    Especially Nate Silver.

    He is just an elaborate Mr. Feel Good for the coccooned Leftists.

    Which will make the clobberring on Tuesday even more enjoyable.

  • Monkey Wrench

    For folks that are confused about party id, just google “trends in party identification” to see what’s going on. Pew has been tracking this since the 1930’s. Dems always have an advantage in this area even when they vote for a Republican president. Right now the Dems have about an 8 point advantage, so it is not surprising to see this reflected in random samples of voters. Some of these self identified Dems will vote for Romney.

    The real question is How well the pollsters are predicting likely voters. That’s why it’s important to look at averages, like Real Clear Politics does.

  • Liberty

    I am cautiously optimistic that obama will be defeated, but I worry about all the democrat cheating at the polls.

  • Spider

    You want to see someone take apart Nate Silver’s methodology go here: REDSTATE

  • Monkey Wrench


    Again, I don’t get the reliance on Independent voters. Just because someone is an independent does not mean they have not already made up their mind. If they have already decided who to vote for, they are reflected in the polls.

    If you have data that shows most “Undecided voters” are leaning towards Romney, then that is good news. but I haven’t seen anything that suggests that is the case. If you have that data, please point us to it!

  • bg



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    March 25, 2009

    Obama Years Ago Helped Fund Carbon Program
    He Is Now Pushing Through Congress

    [In 2000 and 2001, while Barack Obama served as a board member for a Chicago-based charitable foundation, he helped to fund a pioneering carbon trading exchange that is likely to fill a critical role in the controversial cap-and-trade carbon reduction scheme that President Obama is now trying to push rapidly through Congress.

    During those two years, the Joyce Foundation gave nearly $1.1 million in
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  • Conrad

    @ Monkey Wrench: DOn’t confuse party ID with turnout. There may still be more nominal Ds than Rs in America, but that’s not really what matters. The important thing isn’t the party split in America, its the party split among those who will actually vote.

    As for adjusting for party splits, you are correct that most pollsters don’t adjust the sample to get a certain party split, they just report whatever party split they happen to get through their random dialing of telephone numbers. However, that doesn’t mean the results they obtain are necessarily an accurate refletion of the actual voting electorate on Nov. 6. Example: one pllster just came out with an Ohio sample in which people who voted for Obama in 2008 outnumbered people who voted for McCain by 9 points. The actual margin for Obama in Ohio that year was 4.6%. Isn’t it obvious to you, in that case, that the poll oversampled Dems in a way that would skew the results in Obama’s favor? Now, it may be true that the pollster wasn’t TRYING to get more Obama voters in the sample, but it happened nevertheless. As for WHY it happened, there are many possibilities. One is simply that conservatives are less likely to want to chat with strangers about their political beliefs, so they don’t participate in surverys. Perhaps conservatives tend to be more affluent, so they are more sophisticated in the use of caller ID features on phones and TVs. Perhaps conservatives, who are far more likely to be married and have kids than liberals, are too busy with their children to want to participate in polls. Perhaps people in general are scaling back on their reliance on landlines and therefore only have one phone in the house rather than an extension in every other room; therefore, conservative suburban folks who live in larger homes tend to miss more calls than urban apartment dwellers.

    Whatever the reasons, if the poll results are only as good as the samples, and if the sample of poll respondents is more Dem than the actual electorate will be, then Romney will clearly outperform his poll numbers on Election Day.

  • Monkey Wrench

    Seems to me it boils down to one thing. You either believe in polling or you don’t. If you do, then a comprehensive look at polling data shows that Romney is not in a good position. It is very, very close, but he is definitely losing.

    If you don’t believe in polls, then why do you think that most independents are voting for Romney? That data was not handed down from God, it came from a poll. You are just going on your gut feeling, not data.

    We will know soon enough. I’m a scientist/nerd by profession, so I tend to trust the data. But even Nate Silver gives Romney a 21% chance of winning. Things can break in Romney’s direction at the end, similar to what happened in 1980 when there was a very large movement in the final few days. It’s not over. Get out and vote!

    But if you intend to make a bet on the outcome, Obama will “probably” win. Look at the various sites that allow you to bet on the election. People who are putting money on the outcome are betting on Obama. If you are absolutely sure Romney will win, you can make a killing. The bookies will give you great odds to bet on Romney.

  • Sasja
  • Winston Wolfe

    @ DMG #15

    Save your butthurt for next Tuesday.

  • Winston Wolfe

    More people have identified as Democrats forever. MW

    That is not even close to being true.

    More people ID as conservatives, than liberals. And those who ID as independents also lean conservative.

  • Monkey Wrench


    Just google “trends in party identification” and see for yourself. Conservative and liberal are not parties. Look at the Pew data going back to the 1930’s. Except for a couple years, most people identify as democrat. Right now in 2012 Dems have about an 8 point advantage. But more people identified as democrat when Reagan won by a landslide. It does not predict the outcome of an election. It does explain why Dems are “over sampled” when pollsters take a random sample. If their sample came out with an even number of people self identifying as R’s and D’s then they probably didn’t sample correctly.

    Look at the data.

  • Spider

    Intrade has no predictive power it is a market for who you think will win now, today. Anybody holding Obama ‘shares’ should sell now, cause by Tuesday (I assume the ‘contract’ expires then) those shares will be worthless. It is similar to Nate’s ‘batting average’ for Romney. He is a .270 hitter but he can and will hit a home run on Tuesday.

    Now, smart money is buying energy stocks, Romney stocks, especially coal.

    Go look are chart of BTU (Peabody energy). It’s up 50% since July – when it became apparent Mitt would win.

  • Conrad

    @Monkey W:

    What about my example of the Ohio poll that oversampled Obama-2008 voters by 5 points above what the election returns showed were his ACTUAL VOTERS for that year?

    And I don’t think anyone here is saying they don’t believe in polls. We all “believe” in polls, but that doesn’t mean we believe that polls that rely on skewed samples will produce accurate results. If the sample is wrong for any reason, that will skew the results.

    In this case, samples that are “wrong” includes samples that, although produced through a random process of dialing telephone numbers, nevertheless contain more Dems/libs/Obama2008voters than are known or believed to exist in the population whose opinions you are trying to measure (i.e., the 2012 electorate). Even if there are more registered Dems than Republicans in the US, the Dems do not hold anything like the turnout advantage that these polls assume — or at least that most of us HERE believe will manifest itself this year. If YOU think the electorate will be +8 Dem this year, then of course you are correct in thinking BHO will probably be reelected. I don’t think that D+8 is at all realistic, and if I am right, then the VERY SAME POLLS you find so compelling would suggest the BHO will lose. So it’s not really a matter of rejecting the underlying data contained in the polls, its a question of whether one believes the poll samples are adeuqately reflective of actual turnout.

  • dba_vagabond_trader

    Please G-d, make it so.

  • bg
  • Russell Hicks


    To our shame, our devotions became casual,
    Even though YOU have always been there.
    When our nation was born, and later, when torn,
    By the threats which oft led to despair.

    How soon we forgot “Founding Fathers”,
    Whose success against tyrants was due
    To YOUR care, to YOUR love, to YOUR hands from above,
    Which created the miracle we view.

    Through the years, tyranny kept returning,
    And our need made us reach out again,
    And we pled, and we cried, and the best of us died,
    Fighting enemies of freedom and sin.

    New perils now prompt new petitions,
    We must learn lessons lost from the past,
    Without THY protection, and enduring affection,
    We will lose THIS FREE LAND that must last.

    No rights reserved. “God is in the Game, once again.” We are not talking “creeds; doctrines; chapels/synagogues/cathedrals”. We are talking about faith in a Supreme Being, however we envision such, and WHOSE “ALMIGHTY HAND MADE AND PRESERVED THIS NATION”. Pray, contribute, encourage, BELIEVE, and then vote to make belief–reality. IT WILL COME.

    ROMNEY & RYAN WIN BIG IN JUST A FEW DAYS. Even now, they are working to provide REAL RELIEF, not “photo opportunities” in the wake of East Coast storms.

  • bg
  • Look-Out
  • Your Baghdad Bob impersonation is getting better every day.

  • texas citizen

    Why wait until Nov 6th vote early!

  • Steve
  • Richard Aubrey

    Runnng up to 2008, a number of conservatives claimed they wouldn’t vote for such as squish as McCain. Wonder how much difference that made and whether the same thing will happen this time.

  • TomI

    Ya got to Yahoo and he is losing by a landslide…weird.

  • valerie
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  • Habodabi

    Total number of Electoral College votes: 538
    Total needed to win: 270

    Obama total: 237

    Romney total: 206

    This little copy paste from is for you Granny.

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  • ilevy57

    double check your vote before you cast it please, somehow swing states are “defaulting” to Obama

  • Robert B. Winn

    The factor that will swing the independent vote Romney’s way is the six trillion debt run up by the Obama administration with no improvement in the economy to show for all of that debt. Where did the money go? It was more than half as much as all previous Presidents combined had borrowed. Neither major party knows how to run the government without borrowing money, but a Republican administration would probably borrow less.

  • Gary

    Monkey Wrench

    There is a reason Mark Twain said there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

    You claim that RCP is a conservative website and that they are presenting an average of polls, so they must be accurate.

    First, what does conservatism have to do with presenting the objective poll findings, or the average?

    Second, and more importantly, the idea that an average of polls is a fair barometer is just as absurd as polls that purpose survey more Democrats.

    The majority of pollsters are Democrats. In fact the only pollster you wouldn’t outright call a Democrat is Scott Rasmussen. So you take 5 or 6 Dem polls and average in one conservative or truly apolitical pollster’s poll and call that an average?

    Go ahead and look how many of those polls are PPP, AP, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, various universities (all liberal). There’s no way that an average of polls is a true indicator.

    That’s like letting Democrats have five votes and Republicans one vote, and then declaring the results.

  • Gary


    When I heard Nevada was one of the states having problems with the machines, I was thinking it’s funny that a state that makes so much money off machines that are supposed to be checked and tested and calibrated for fair play, but ridiculously favor the house is now having issues with machines that are supposed to be getting a fair opportunity to vote (and hopefully win).

    I guess the polling stations in Nevada look like low-end casinos with red-faced voters casting their vote over and over trying to get Romney’s name to come up, but they keep getting Obama. Maybe their machines should have an arm like a slot machine.

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  • Restless

    As of 11/2, Rasmussen has it a tie at 48-48 with Obama at 50% approval. I just don’t get it. How can so many people “approve” of 7.9% unemployment, record numbers on food stamps, etc.? I’m praying that these polls are missing a strong undercurrent of voters who are fed up and will vote for Romney on Tuesday.

  • The black Vic Damone

    Sooo…let me get this right… Romney is just Crushing Obama everywhere in every poll? And Romney will beat Obama in a LANDSLIDE? That’s the way conservatives see it and that’s that!! You are so far right, that if all your money was in your left pocket, you’d think you we’re broke.

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  • James Wilson

    Great poll, but it appears you only surveyed the states of the Old Confederacy. You may want to survey above the Mason-Dixon line as well.

    As Rick Santorum said, all of the “smart people” voted for Obama. In fact, all the top ten states in educated citizens voted for Obama. Nine of the bottom ten states in education attainment voted for Romney. That says it all. Check it out: