Colorado Springs Bans Salvation Army from “Panhandling” (Video)

It’s an Obama world.
Colorado Springs banned the Salvation Army from “panhandling” downtown this year. Fortunately, a hotel is allowing the organization to ring the bells on their private property.

The Gazette reported:

Beggars will be asking for trouble from Colorado Springs police if they continue to panhandle downtown.

They won’t be alone.

Salvation Army bell ringers and the Girl Scouts could also end up on the wrong side of the law under an ordinance the City Council approved Tuesday that bans all forms of solicitation in a 12-square block zone in the heart of downtown, including Acacia Park.

The no-solicitation zone, a controversial idea to fight panhandling that merchants say is hurting business, is part of a larger plan by Mayor Steve Bach to increase safety downtown — or at least the perception of it.

Other efforts include increased foot patrols and 13 surveillance cameras that are scheduled to be up and running Dec. 7.

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  • cal rifkin

    Shoppers can even more easily go to stores that are outside the city limits. To heck with the city “officials” (reichstag).

  • Exile1981

    or just shop online

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  • dunce

    I doubt people are avoiding the Salvation Army bell ringers, what is clear is that the city has done something that causes the non producers to gravitate to that area.

  • burt

    Most of the panhandlers I run into are on the telephone!

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  • airon-later

    But I have always heard that Colorado Springs was meant to be this mecca of Right-Wing ideology…….heck, even Michelle “Purse Lipped Rage Princess” Malkin has lauded the city’s “conservative values”. One would think people like her and the “traditional folks” of Colorado Springs would welcome the Salvation Army, considering their long history of virilant attacks on the LGBT community.

  • NeoKong

    That is disgusting that they include a fine organization like the Savation Army in with the alcoholics and bum who panhandle.
    The Salvation Army does not “panhandle”.
    They collect donations to help the poor and the needy.
    If there was ever a fire downtown and the Salvation Army showed up to help all the displaced people would they be removed as well…?

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  • RKae

    Colorado, you have people getting shot when they attend school or go to a movie – killed by glassy-eyed, mind-controlled loonies who shoot at people for kicks. You’re the random mass murder capital of the USA. You have bigger problems than Salvation Army bell-ringers.

  • Tom Doniphon

    I also thought of Ms. Malkin, but the more powerful force in Colorado Springs, seems to me would be Focus on the Family. You think James Dobson is OK with this?

  • SKay

    It does not sound like they are targeting the Salvation Army or the Girl Scouts.

  • Chuck

    Dallas went through similar issues when they passed their “no panhandling” ordinance. They had to amend it to allow for things like the Salvation Army, fire fighters “Fill the Boot” campaign, Girl Scout cookie sales, etc. It’s amazing how what looks good on paper doesn’t quite work out the way people envision.

  • Percival

    Does this Jim Hoft character have some kind of learning disability or is he just genuinely dishonest?

    Conveniently omitted quote from the linked article:
    “While the ordinance bans all forms of solicitation, the mayor noted that groups such as Salvation Army bell ringers would be allowed to solicit on private property.”

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    It’s amazing how what looks good on paper doesn’t quite work out the way people envision.

    One question: Do the idiots making the laws ever bother to give any thought to all the possible unintended consequences?

    Most of the time, it seems like they don’t.

  • RickZ

    #14 Percival commented:

    Right. They can collect on private property, but not on public property like sidewalks. Since when did the SA lose their rights as citizens?

    I will also add that based upon this story, the City of Colorado Springs must be a great city with no murder or crime, no violence, no traffic violations. Why it must be peace on earth. Oh wait, that’s a little too Christmas-y.

  • briscuit

    Well, if Colorado Springs ever has a need, remind me not to give to the SA. Only for other jurisdictions.

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  • The hobos and panhandlers in Colorado Springs have become a nuisance. Certainly is businesses want to invite the salvation army inside their doors, I’m sure it would allow them to get around the city ordinance against panhandling.

  • Jerry C

    @ #14 Percival-“Does this Jim Hoft character have some kind of learning disability or is he just genuinely dishonest? Conveniently omitted quote from the linked article:
    “While the ordinance bans all forms of solicitation, the mayor noted that groups such as Salvation Army bell ringers would be allowed to solicit on private property.” ”

    Obviously, you’re the one with the learning disability or genuinely dishonest. It’s called private property, not public property for a reason.

    The government wants to do the helping & doesn’t want competition for their democratic voters. America’s biggest corporation is the U.S. government. And they have the courts & police to back them up.

  • lincolns widow

    percival, There is a reason he is called the most ignorant man on the internet.

  • Remco Kimber

    For years on end I’ve had a problem/issue with the Salvation Army. Despite the name of SALVATION Army this organization no longer worries about the salvation of souls, only the amounts contributed to the red kettle. I’ve asked several why they no longer give out Christian tracts proclaiming Jesus’s Gospel message only to get a shrugged shouldered response of I-dont-know.

    The SA is no longer what it once was; therefore I no longer contribute to its so-called efforts.

  • kato

    People with Obama-brains hate charities. They believe all handouts should come from the state.

    It’s hard to believe there are people that stupid, but today our schools churn them out by the millions. Many of these people will be even too stupid to realize they’ve been turned into slaves. As long as the despot gives them their condoms and their tweeting (policed by the state, of course), they’ll be happy. Their self-esteem won’t even be hurt. They’re that stupid.

  • Somebody needs to run a petition campaign, collecting signatures to overturn this totalitarian assault on the 1st amendment right in the ZONE. They will lose their a**es so hard on this if challenged legally.

  • Jarred Rego

    Salvation Army Bell Ringers are still welcome on private property in Downtown Colorado Springs. The Wyndham Mining Exchange Hotel at Pikes Peak and Nevada, has already stepped forward to invite Bell Ringers to accept donations in front of the hotel.

    There is a major solicitation problem in Downtown Colorado Springs that jeopardizes the holiday shopping season. Downtown leaders, merchants, and business people asked for this ordinance. In order for this necessary measure to survive legal challenges, it must apply equally to any type of solicitation being requested.

    The City and the Salvation Army have a longstanding and mutually beneficial partnership that will continue.

  • DMG

    Right. They can collect on private property, but not on public property like sidewalks. Since when did the SA lose their rights as citizens?

    About the same time the other citizens who are not SA, lost theirs.

  • DMG

    totalitarian assault on the 1st amendment right

    Funny, I can’t seem to locate the “findraising” clause in my constitution.

  • Woody

    Good, Acacia Park looks like OWS every morning. Frankly, nobody should solicit on public land.

  • Barracuda

    Hellloooooo, First Amendment lawsuit waiting to happen.

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  • gwhh

    I LIKE this law

    Salvation Army bell ringers and the Girl Scouts could also end up on the wrong side of the law under an ordinance the City Council approved Tuesday that bans all forms of solicitation in a 12-square block zone in the heart of downtown, including Acacia Park.

    At least these people are smart enough to round up the homeless crazy!

    As USUALLY the people who write don’t do it right!

  • Sonnet

    Obama-brains? Think again. The city of Colorado Springs is run by Republicans. Mayor Bach is Republican; most of the City Council is Republican. No Democrat has been elected to the El Paso County commission since the 70’s. This has NOTHING to do with Obama or the people who voted for him. It’s the town liberals who are fighting the ordinance.

  • Tim

    “There is a major solicitation problem in Downtown Colorado Springs that jeopardizes the holiday shopping season. Downtown leaders, merchants, and business people asked for this ordinance. In order for this necessary measure to survive legal challenges, it must apply equally to any type of solicitation being requested.”

    It doesn’t matter who asked for this ordinance; the government cannot eliminate constitutionally protected rights (there is no “freedom” to shop without looking at the homeless and their signs). Yes, there is a major problem–aggressive panhandling–but the Supreme Court has already stated in such cases that cities must tailor such laws to address the specific problem. CO Springs already has such an ordinance, and now it has broadened it to include all solicitation which is clearly an overreach.

    “Funny, I can’t seem to locate the “findraising” clause in my constitution.”

    The Supreme Court has interpreted fundraising as free speech; asking for money on behalf of others (e.g., political campaigns) or oneself (begging) or contributing money for the same–all are protected forms of speech.
    Speech also includes “speech acts” (gestures, sign language, holding written signs, artistic performance, etc.)

    “Good, Acacia Park looks like OWS every morning. Frankly, nobody should solicit on public land.”
    So who else is on your list of approved people? I’m sure there are more discriminating individuals who would expand your list just a bit–and who knows, maybe you’d be on it as well.

  • Tim

    correction: those aren’t speech acts, but they are actions that the Supreme Court says are protected under free speech