In 2010 Barack Obama said this on the Ryan Roadmap:
“This is an entirely legitimate proposal.”

The Free Beacon reported:

President Obama in 2010:

I think Paul [Ryan], for example, the head of the Budget Committee, has looked at the budget and has made a serious proposal. I’ve read it. I can tell you what’s in it. And there’s some ideas in there that I would agree with but there’s some ideas we should have a healthy debate about because I dont agree with them. The major driver of our long-term liabilities, everybody here knows, is Medicare and Medicaid and our health care spending. Nothing comes close. That’s going to be what our children have to worry about. Now, Paul’s approach, and I want to be careful not to simplify this, I know you’ve got a lot of detail in your plan, but, if I understand it correctly, would say, we’re going to provide vouchers of some sort for current Medicare recipients at the current level. No?

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  1. Ah, come on! When Obama starts out with “has made a serious proposal” that’s a rhetorical construction to set up and then destroy the ‘serious proposal’ with a ‘BUT’.

  2. Even after all the Obamacare cramdown and about 50 years of Medicare, I still have this question,

    Why is fedgov involved in the health matter of any one of us? Similarly with welfare?

  3. A big Thank You to Charles (whoever you might be) for sending this video to Jim so it can be posted on here.

  4. OT this is more detail that I havent seen before about Obama i got in an email.

    A MUST READ for every US CITIZEN



    An intensive investigation has revealed the identity of the man whose Social Security number (SSN) is being used by President Obama: Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, immigrated to the United States in 1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-4425 (Obama’s current SSN) on or about March 1977.

    Ludwig lived most of his adult life in Connecticut . Because of that, his SSN begins with the digits 042, which are among only a select few reserved for Connecticut residents.

    Obama never lived or worked in that state! Therefore, there is no reason on earth for his SSN to start with the digits 042. None whatsoever! Now comes the best part! Ludwig spent the final months of his life Hawaii , where he died. Conveniently, Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, worked part-time in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse, and therefore had access to the SSNs of deceased individuals. The Social Security Administration was never informed of Ludwig’s death, and because he never received Social Security benefits there were no benefits to stop and therefore, no questions were ever raised. The suspicion, of course, is that Dunham, knowing her grandson was not a U.S. Citizen, either because he was born in Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia upon his adoption by Lolo Soetoro simply scoured the probate records until she found someone who died who was not receiving Social Security benefits, and selected Mr. Ludwig’s Connecticut SSN for Obama.

    Just wait until Trump gets past the birth certificate and onto the issue of Barry O’s use of a stolen SSN. You will see leftist heads exploding, because they will have no way of defending Obama. Although many Americans do not understand the meaning of the term “natural born” there are few who do not understand that if you are using someone else’s SSN it is a clear indication of fraud.

    Let’s all get this information out to everybody on our mailing lists… If the voters of this great nation can succeed in bringing this lying, deceitful, cheating, corrupt, impostor to justice it will be the biggest and best news in decades for our country and the world.
    Very Interesting Bit of Detective Work:

    1. Back in 1961 people of color were called ‘Negroes.’ So how can theObama ‘birth certificate’ state he is ‘African-American when the term wasn’t even used at that time?

    2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama’s father was born in ” Kenya , East Africa “. This wouldn’t seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the ” British East Africa Protectorate”.

    3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity Gynecological Hospital “. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively.
    The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

    Post-colonial history (from Wikipedia)

    Why hasn’t this been discussed in the major media?????

  5. If only Obama had an inch of Paul Ryan’s cognitive power….he would not reduce the idea of Medicare reform to this simplistic system of vouchers….

    You just know how to union looney left hates the word vouchers – in public school systems all over this land it means “you all can use your taxpayer dollars to get your children into schools that work and out of these urban catastrophes called schools where nothing works anymore”

    I love how our President hedges here and leaves it up to the audience to decide what Ryan’s idea means…..

    God bless Paul Ryan for being the one to grab onto the third rail of politics and not only survive but to have 14,000 Wisconsinites greet him in Waukesha, Wisconsin yesterday with a giant group hug of love.

    A hero. A solider on the front. Electrifying the GOP while DE-electrifyiunbg the third rail.

    Another GOP superhero from Wisconsin.

    We are gonna save this entire nation with the kind of pols we have at this right time in history, Wisconsin rocks :- )

  6. The problem with Social Security and medicare is Social Security disability and medicaid. I would be out there with video cameras pointed at any person under 50 on SS disability and/or medicaid. My first step would be to drop all drunks and drug addicts that are under 65 from the role. Then I would go after back injuries and see how many social security disability recipients play golf etc. If you can sit at a computer all day you can work. Get a f*ing job, we all have pains and problems and still go to work, put your big girl panties on and get a job and stop living off me. Just my opinion.

  7. Barry: “…but, if I understand it correctly, would say, we’re going to provide vouchers of some sort for current Medicare recipients at the current level.”


    Ryan immediately corrected you. So you had to say NEXT, No?


    But notice what Ryan says at the 2minute mark TO MUCH APPLAUSE: “The whole premise is…look, why not give people the same health care plan we have here in Congress?”

    I bet that put a stain in your shorts…huh, Barry?

  8. #2 August 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm
    Diane Harvey commented:

    Even after all the Obamacare cramdown and about 50 years of Medicare, I still have this question,

    Why is fedgov involved in the health matter of any one of us? Similarly with welfare?

    Well, I was an adult at the time that Medicare was introduced and remember my grandparents retiring and enrolling, so I can shed a little light on that. Initially, Medicare was OPTIONAL – that is the Part A. It covered only hospitalization and only a portion of that – about 80%. As time went on private employers stopped offering pensions to their long time employees, except those who were unionized, so people became almost entirely dependent on their Social Security plus whatever savings that they happened to have.

    Meanwhile, advances in medicine – particularly in the fields of heart surgery and transplants – meant that not only were there more people reaching retirement age, those that did lived quite some little bit longer. So, over the years we have had a number of changes –

    1. Medicare is no longer optional. If you want to collect your Social Security then you must enroll in Medicaid.

    2. Women have been shoved into the workforce, thereby increasing the amount of money going into the system. Now there is a definite reason for this. Under Social Security as it was originally written, the role of women as homemakers who spent most of their productive years keeping house and raising children rather than working for a wage was recognized in the form of eligibility for part of her husband’s social security – 75% to be precise. You must have been married 10 years plus 1 day and there was no extra contribution for married vs. single men. This rule is still in place. Women have the option of collecting under their own or their husband’s account. I can readily see this disappearing as gay marriage becomes the law of the land. In fact, I suspect that the whole push to gay marriage is aimed specifically at eliminating this, just as the two person working household has eliminated alimony other than for the ultra-rich.

    3. With the elimination of pensions by most employers and the movement of most of our manufacturing jobs offshore, people were stuck with their SS plus whatever savings as retirement funds. (IRAs and 401K’s were prohibited by law until too late for even my generation to amass a substantial ROI). Thus Medicare was expanded to cover more and more services. Now you have parts A, B, C, D and a prescription drug “benefit” – most of which are not optional.

    And make not mistake – this adds up to hundreds of dollars every month from every senior on social security. I’ve been watching the numbers since the 80s. Every single time there is a Cost of Living Increase for Social Security recipients, a Medicare premium increase is passed just about 3 weeks later. Invariably that Medicare premium increase eats up most, sometimes all, of the cost of living increase. There have been a couple of times that my Dad actually lost money.

    The original SS proposal was understood by the public to be TRUST FUND, not a tax. The government presented SS well into the 70s as retirement SAVINGS. People would not have accepted this as a tax. My grandparent’s generation were adults during the Great Depression and as a whole they were quite thrifty.

    Unfortunately, that “trust fund”, if it ever existed, and certainly we were told that it did years ago, has been raided repeatedly to balance the budget. So, this giant Ponzi Scheme has turned into a Russian Roulette game of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    As anyone who has ever robbed Peter to pay Paul knows full well, things cannot continue forever. Social Security and Medicare are going to come crashing down around our ears.

    Two other things you should know.

    Medicare sets reimbursement fee schedules. At the time they were introduced they were fairly reasonable. Most of the time these days they do not cover the cost of providing the services and they are extremely SLOW to pay. A wait of a year for payment is not the least uncommon or even unusual. Fewer and fewer physicians accept new Medicare patients every day because they simply cannot run a business (and medicine is a business) on promises of payment down the road.

    Do a bit of an experiment. Call a few family practices in your area and ask if they are taking new Medicare patients. I think you’ll be very surprised. You know what’s worse? Trying to find a doctor that takes Medicaid or any of the state-funded insurance plans for the uninsured.

  9. #6 August 13, 2012 at 5:36 pm
    Lenore commented:

    The problem with Social Security and medicare is Social Security disability and medicaid.


    Well, actually no it is not. Medicaid is an entirely separate program from Social Security and Medicare. It can be confusing because the names are so similar, but MediCARE is for the elderly and the disabled. MedicAID is for the young.

    Social Security Disability (SSD) at one time required that you personally had paid into the system for 10 years before you could collect or be the disabled child of someone who had and is administered by the Feds. There is another program, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) that is administered by the various states. SSI is intended for people who either do not qualify for SSD or do not receive enough of a benefit from SSD to give them a marginal standard of living.

    Medicaid is connected almost entirely to what used to be called Aid to Families with Dependent Children. The cutoff point at one time was a combined family income of 150% of the poverty level and as far as I know it is still at that level in most states. That income is interpreted to include the $5 granny sent the kid in a birthday card. Medicaid is a federally mandated program but it is administered by the individual states, who also have a a say over what they will or won’t cover.

    The problem with Social Security is that it is a giant Ponzi Scheme that would land any business person who tried it in jail. It worked initially because MANY more people paid in to the system than lived to collect from it. My ex-husband’s grandmother used to tell me about her 12 brothers, each of whom paid in the maximum for the entire time SS had been in place. She was the only person who ever collected anything. These days we have MANY more people who have been promised a return on their forced investment than we have the money to pay, in large part due to misappropriation of funds.

  10. ++

    here’s the thing: (#66)

    [Democrats are still hammering an old, and since replaced, GOP proposal,
    claiming it would “end Medicare,” and cost seniors $6,000 more a year for
    their health care. The newest Republican budget, proposed by Rep.
    Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, keeps traditional Medicare — unlike his plan
    from 2011 — and the increased cost claim is no longer applicable to

    ergo, that clip is, well, outdated??

    December 12, 2011

    Ron Wyden and Paul Ryan’s Bipartisan
    Plan for Health Care and Medicare Reform

    [The heart of the Wyden-Ryan plan is to use competitive bidding
    to allow private insurers to compete with traditional, 1965-vintage
    fee-for-service Medicare. If you want to learn more about competitive
    bidding, see this piece I wrote about Mitt Romney’s proposal for
    Medicare reform. If that doesn’t quench your thirst, you can read
    the definitive book on competitive bidding: Bring Market Prices to
    Medicare, by Robert Coulam, Roger Feldman, and Bryan Dowd.]

    August 13, 2012

    Sen. Wyden distances himself from
    Medicare plan he crafted with Ryan

    [But this year, Ryan unveiled a new proposal, with Wyden at his side.
    The revised plan would give seniors a choice between private insurance
    and traditional Medicare. When Ryan and Wyden unveiled the policy,
    Democratic officials insisted that it wouldn't weaken their attacks on
    the Ryan budget.]


  11. What a great find.
    I doubt anyone could make this stuff up if they tried–with oBama, the FAIL just writes itself.

    Here’s another clip from his Campaign ’08:
    Obama’s Pledges to Reform Entitlements In His First Term

    The guy is so lame.

  12. All that spectulation is for naught. SSN inception was 1936.

  13. #4 BigKahuna, I WISH that were true! I was fantasizing while I was reading it, and hoping that things would come about just right for an October surprise, but alas!

    No worries, something else will come along.

    P.S., Don’t know which island you’re from, but I was raised in Oahu near the Polynesian Cultural Center before it became all touristy. BEAUTIFUL.

  14. He must have forgot that he said this because all he does is try and scare people about Senior citizens being killed by the Ryan budget. It’s in all their talking points and attack ads. This video should be run in an ad – his own words are the best tool to use.


  16. Gallup Poll: Obama’s Issues are Not The Nation’s VIEW IMAGE

    Here is why Obama will lose this election:

    Excuse me, but class warfare comes in LAST in the poll. What do you know, Americans don’t resent the rich. They think, “YOU BUILT THAT! Nice job!”

    Let’s look at the top three concerns:

    1. Creating good jobs? Unemployment is over 8 percent.

    2. Reducing corruption in federal government? Well, Obama is the federal government.

    3. Reducing the federal budget deficit? It’s currently more than $1 trillion per year.

    Overcoming political gridlock is ninth. Translation: Americans don’t just want Congress to “get something done” and start a love-in for the sake of it. They want specific actions.

    Obama also can’t stop talking about making college more affordable. Third to last on the list.

    That is: Dude, get a summer job.

    I’m not sure what polls the Obama people are reading as they craft their campaign message. But it’s not this one.

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