Brilliant!… Romney Adviser Says Obamacare Is Not a Tax – It’s a Penalty (Updated)

What was this guy thinking?
Mitt Romney adviser Eric Fehrnstrom went on MSNBC and told the far left network that Romney agrees with President Obama that the penalty in the mandate is not a tax.
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts said it was a tax.

The liberal media loved it.

The Romney camp sent this statement out to the press to try and clear things up later yesterday:

“The Supreme Court left President Obama with two choices: the federal individual mandate in Obamacare is either a constitutional tax or an unconstitutional penalty. Governor Romney thinks it is an unconstitutional penalty. What is President Obama’s position: is his federal mandate unconstitutional or is it a tax?” –Andrea Saul, Romney Campaign Spokesperson

UPDATE: Conservatives to Mitt: Quit Now If You Won’t Fight Obamatax!

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  • an observer

    This fool should be fired.

  • Militant conservative

    #1 I agree, Obama should be fired.

  • owl

    Mitt needs to get over it. Just face the bad decisions, own them. Stop with this ‘it depends on the meaning of is’ crap. Say it was bad when he did it and it did not work out.

    That is what would have thrown it back into their faces.

    All he had to do was say it was tried, it failed. As a businessman, I learn from mistakes.

    Geesh, stop the crap and your people from spouting it.

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  • Faye

    Just call it a Penalty Tax and be done with it, cause that is exactly what it is.

  • Bill Mitchell

    You people are missing the nuance here.

    If you agree with Roberts that the mandate is a tax, then you agree that Obamacare is constitutional. If you agree with Obama that it is not a tax but a fee under the commerce clause, then, despite Roberts ruling it remains unconstitutional.

    Saying it is a tax makes for good talking points despite the fact the tax argument is untrue.

    Wouldn’t it be hypocritical to argue that Obamacare is tax for political reasons at the same time you are arguing it should have been overturned because it is really a fee? You can’t have it both ways here.

    What this tells me is that Romney lives in a world of facts and not political expediency.

    It’s not a tax, it’s a fee – and therefore unconstitutional. Don’t say you disagree with Roberts ruling then use his flawed logic to bash Democrats. You look foolish.

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  • Obama Lies = Freedom Dies.. bg

    ++

    may be, however..

    the Majority of Justices in the Supreme Court
    Ruled the ObamaCare Mandates to be a TAX..

    ergo, no matter what anyone else says, it has been “legally
    defined”, ergo, that’s the fact of the matter, ergo, the OA
    had better learn to live with it..

    on the other hand, “we the people”, do not..

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  • FU#K OBAMA

    What else could he say, After Romneycare and Obamacare are damn near identical. Mittens probably sold Romneycare as not a ‘tax’ as well.

    Romney and the GOP leadersip are already giving us a half hearted effort showing that repeal under them is nothing but saying what we want to hear. Mittens ‘advisors’ were the same ones who helped write Obamacare, the same advisors who championed it ‘benefits’ the same advisors who now argue with it being a tax.

    Romneycare has destroyed the middle class in Taxachuttes and Obamacare will do the same in America. Taxachuttes healthcare is extremely expensive and the socialist version of Romneycare is causing those that can to flee the state. Waiting lines are long and the quality of care is getting worse everyday. (I have several friends who live there)

    Romney, McConnell and Boner have no spine or idea on how free markets work. either way, with Obama or Mittens we will be screwed.

    Yep, the etch a sketch is alive and well with Mittens.

    Is there a third party to vote for this year?

  • Multitude

    Fehrnstrom is a nonstop gaffe machine and worse yet, is all about himself, not his candidate.

    Mitt: Fire or no contributions and no vote. (Not that it’ll matter… Fehrnstrom will take you to the bottom of the lake as he sinks without the assistance of anyone else)

  • Obama Lies = Freedom Dies.. bg

    ++

    hmm, here’s the “nuance”, the Obama PPCC (progressive political
    correctness constitution) camps are ceiling it a “tax penalty”, go
    figure.. /s/

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  • Multitude

    You know, all Mittens had to do is come out and say SCOTUS further confirms why Mitt’s plan was right for Mass and wrong for the USFG:

    Done at the State level: a plan has constitutional authority as states can enact penalties and such to “encourage” behavior.

    Done at the Federal level: SCOTUS has shown the only way it can impose such a one-size-fits-all program that is insensitive to specific regional and state needs is to do it through its Constitutional authority to tax. It’s not allowed to impose penalties like a state.

    Answered this way, Mitt goes on offense and shows a clear distinction and separation between ObamaCare and RomneyCare, while also recognizing federalism/states rights and a limited national government. This is how a competent campaign and candidate handles an issue like this.

    Fehrnstrom’s answer shows we’re back in McCain incompetence and reach-across-the-aisle-to-get-your-ass-kicked foolishness. Fehrnstrom clearly just wants to be liked by the media, like McCain, Roberts, Lindsay Graham and the other disgusting RINO progressive ilk.

  • Larkin

    I happen to agree with Romney, and (God help me), obama.

    John Roberts was just too clever by half. Calling it a “tax” makes obamacare legal.

    To be legal, something has to abide by the constitution.

    This horrendous piece of legislation does not abide, in ANY way, shape or form.

  • pink tie Republican

    Hop-efully Romney has a heart attack and can’r run in November and we get Jim DeMint to give it a go. Or we gin up an Hawaii birth certificate for Nigel Farage and run him.

  • OldSailor

    The USSC says the individual mandate is constitutional … but only as a tax. But the Obama camp says it’s NOT a tax.

    I’m confused … is The One (Almost a God)’s camp admitting that his signature legislation is NOT constitutional?

    In sixteen different ways this thing isn’t constitutional starting with taxes must originate in the House but this abortion was born in the Senate. The Demodummies have claimed all along it’s not a tax but rammed it through the Senate using the Reconciliation rules which were written ONLY for finance and tax bills to prevent filibuster …

    I could go on and on and on … but you get the idea.

  • Patty

    Take Eric Fehrnstrom Off Television

    There he goes again.

    I’m sure Romney aide Eric Fehrnstrom is a nice guy. Doubtless he loves dogs, cats, family and colleagues.

    But for the second time in a matter of months Mr. Fehrnstrom has managed to shoot his candidate in the foot — by flatly contradicting Governor Romney’s message.

    The last time, under intense scrutiny by conservatives that prompted the Governor to show up at CPAC and proclaim himself a “severe conservative” — Fehrnstrom took to the airwaves sometime later to say that well, no. Once Governor Romney was nominated he would morph into an “etch-a-sketch” candidate.

    Ouch.

    There was the inevitable rush of apologies and, predictably, the story vanished.

    Now comes yet another Fehrnstrom story. Worse …infinitely worse…than the first.

    There was a small matter of a Supreme Court decision. In which, infamously, Chief Justice John Roberts voted with liberals to uphold ObamaCare — by declaring the mandate a tax.

    Now let’s recall the zillion times candidate Romney insisted — under withering criticism — that his views on health care (“RomneyCare”) for Massachusetts did not, would not, could not — not a thousand times ever and ever — apply to America as a whole. No sireeeeeeeeeeee Bob.

    http://spectator.org/blog/2012/07/03/take-eric-fehrnstrom-off-telev

    I thought Roberts was bad nor this.

  • workingclass artist

    Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory….or something like that

    Winning!

  • Remco Kimber

    This is demonstrative of the EXACT reason I’m not four square with the likes of Romney. Here, he’s handed a dead-on conservative issue, one that he could and his minions and spokespeople s/b hitting over the wall, and what does Mittens do – he AGREES with Obama that it’s a penalty not a tax.

    Stated otherwise, Mitt ain’t one of us, and we know it. We’ll go along with him b/c Goal #1 is getting rid of Obama not necessarily electing Romney. Romney is not the one we really want or need. Neither was Nixon, nor Bush 41, nor Dole, nor Bush 43, nor McCain.

    SCOTUS tells us all that the mandate is a tax and b/c it’s a tax Roberts et alia say it passes any constitutional tax. Romney s/b screaming that tax increase on the middle class from the roof tops. But he’s not.

  • how dumbed down are we bg

    ++

    Allen West v Supreme Court

    believe i more or less stated the samo samo
    BEFORE the damn bill was even passed, gah!!

    btw, i’m still trying to find out exactly what is meant by the opposing
    judges dissent being categorized as being an “unsigned joint dissent”??

    not to mention the following..

    A Dissection of the ObamaCare Ruling

    [Short version: the joint dissenting opinion by Justices Scalia, Kennedy,
    Thomas, and Alito refers to Justice Ginsburg’s concurring opinion as
    a “dissent,” is written as though it were the majority opinion
    , and
    says that if the individual mandate were really a tax, they’d have to
    address the close constitutional question of whether it was a direct
    tax
    -something they don’t address even though, as the case was ultimately decided, the issue was squarely presented.
    ]

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  • Tim in Cali

    I have a few questions

    1.What agency is tasked with collecting the money…. IRS
    2.Does the IRS collect taxes……………………………………….YES

    3.Are TAXES based on income……………………………….YES
    4.Is the penalty/TAX/mandate based on income……..YES

    If it quacks like a duck…it is a duck
    Either fire or stuff envelopes..he never gets close to another microphone

  • Multitude

    It sounds like Eric Fehrnstrom’s latest mouthing off reminded many of us just how weak of a candidate we have to contend with. We’re going to have to drag and carry Romney across the finish line if we’re to have a chance and it sure as hell doesn’t help to have idiots like Fehrnstrom making it any harder.

    Check out his bio… he likes to be described as “Romney’s balls” (but is known inside as Romney’s bully) and runs around like a little Hitler. He’s been with Romney for over a decade, having been given a political job of assistant treasurer during Romney’s single stint as a governor. He’s a journalist by education and association and almost certainly feels the need to be liked and respected by folks at the New York Times. He also hates the Tea Party.

    Clean house Mitt. We can’t carry you and Little Hitler both (and I sure as hell won’t work hard to put Little Hitler in the White House).

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/romneys-campaign-should-heed-advice-to-clean-house-starting-with-eric-fehrnstrom/

  • #6 Bill,

    I was going to say more or less the same thing. I think Roberts’ logic was highly flawed and that the mandate is an unconstitutional penalty, no matter what 5 Justices ruled. That being said, I think it is fair game to bash Obama for ObamaTax. His camp went into Court and argued it was a tax to save it, even after swearing to the American people it wasn’t a tax.

  • Romney needs to fire this idiot…….The law of the land saids its a tax ,if it wasn’t a tax it could not been passed…..

  • owl

    #22 That was nice. THANK YOU.

    I would like to put all the lawyers into a box and let them fight it out with all the politicians.

    Let them explain the ‘meaning of is’.

    Romney & campaign blew this one BT. Stop it. All voters are not lawyers and do the lawyerspeak.

  • owl

    I hate when politicians do this. What JR did was rotten but what Romney is doing to a winning issue is criminal. I want Obama gone and this rotten law repealed.

  • noway

    romney needs to clean house and let that dude’s shoes meet the road. what a dufus!

  • Bill Mitchell

    Again, people you CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

    You cannot say on the one hand Obamacare is unconstitutional because it is really a fee and not a tax, but then say it is constitutional because you agree with Roberts that it is a tax.

    You can’t play both ends against the middle. That’s what liberals do.

    We MUST argue that it is really a FEE and therefore UNCONSTITUTIONAL. If we agree and promote that it is a TAX we are agreeing that it is CONSTITUTIONAL. Whatever the political expediency of calling it a tax is, you know none of us on the Right actually believe that so why say it? Hypocrisy never wins in the end.

    Romney’s guy was 100% factually correct here whether you like it or not.

    P.S., Conservatives are foolish if they think calling this a “tax” will win us the election. The average person doesn’t care about nomenclature. What they care about is that it is more expensive than what they have now and delivers less. Even dumb uniformed people don’t paying more for less. We need to emphasize that and not this silly (and untrue) tax argument.

  • rosie

    The truth is that the bill was argued as a tax and anointed by Roberts as a tax but it was not written and passed by congress as a tax which they will swear to today. The bill presented to SCOTUS by the Soliciter General was not the real bill. So, since Roberts can’t legislate, he did not approve the bill that was actually passed. He created a new one! What the Soliciter General argued was not the actual bill….nothing in it as an intended tax in its reality. So Roberts/Court should have decided to send what the SG presented back to Congress for its approval since it was and is something different than the actual bill and must be approved as a tax by Congress, not the Court.

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  • how dumbed down are we bg

    ++

    Multitude #14 July 3, 2012 at 8:55 am

    excellent, been pointing that (and his immigration
    policy) out since Mitt got in the race.. crickets..

    Romney’s Best Defense: The Truth About Romneycare

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  • owl

    #29 I strongly disagree. I can play both ends against the middle.

    I do not mind being called dumb because take a good look around you at all the smart people. They run the joint. You are being bogged down with those ittsy details that will not win an election.

    Do I want to be right or win that election???

  • owl

    It passed as a TAX.

  • DavidC

    Not positive the general message was a mistake. I just don’t think they should have put it out there. But, now that it is out there: If you take a minute and think about it, the position put out here is the right one. Roberts should have over turned the law because it is a penalty. The Robert’s decision was wrong. Don’t all of us agree with that?

  • owl

    #35 “The Robert’s decision was wrong. Don’t all of us agree with that?”

    Oh yes we all agree.

    What we do not agree with is the way to handle it. What are you suggesting we do? Beat that dead horse, along with all our collective heads against the brick wall?

    Tim had it right. It passed. It passed as a tax. That duck is a tax and that is what the REAL world sees today.

    It gets very tiresome to lose the war because we have to be perfectly right. The liberals never ever do that, and I watched them control the place for most of my lifetime.

  • Patty

    Well, you can be more precise than Roberts was when he said this was a TAX.

    So, if Romney wants to win, he best get rid of those who are holding him back in his campaign and quick.

    This is when adviser Jump the Shark, This is the beginning of things to come if Romney doesn’t nip it in the bud and quick.

    Eric Fehrnstrom as put yet another question in the minds of Voters. That would be, MORE OF THE SAME ON RHETORIC AND TWISTING IN THE WIND.

    I would advice the Romney campaign to get a message and stick with in and stop making more problems for themselves, when the problem is evident. WE HAVE A FAR REACHING GOVERNMENT THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL.

  • CommieJuice

    Eric Fehrnstrom, Romney and apparently Gateway poster, Bill Mitchell don’t want to win and save this country. You can’t win an argument saying 0bamacare is unconstitutional when the SCOTUS just upheld it no matter what they called it. Right now, we have it upheld as a tax and that isn’t going to change. There is only one way to rid ourselves of this, go on the full attack using the argument how the president lied in many ways and now he is TAXing us more and more starting 2013. There is no middle here, we win or lose, it’s that simple.

    Bill Mitchell, we can use their tactics against them. If that offends you, vote for 0bama, because your argument isn’t helping anyone in any capacity. It almost sounds like lib talk, we MUST, we MUST what? Who is WE? Lib talk is calling it a fee when it’s really a tax, or calling a tax an investment, lib talk also refers to paying for tax cuts as if all money belongs to the government. What do we call the Bush tax cuts that are expiring? The Bush fee cuts? Only calling it a fee means nothing, that lost in the SCOTUS, how is it going to win with the people? We have to win and thanks to gold ole justice Roberts, calling it a TAX is the winning approach. It encompasses everything 0bama is about – lying, deceit, taxing, spin, Socialism and ultimately defeat.

  • Patty

    No taxation without representation!

    No taxation without representation!

    Clinton couldn’t do it in the 90’s but Obama’s paid off justices in the Supreme Court were able to kick in government health care. Obamacare was forced to pass whether you like it or not. Wacky Judge Roberts just changed the word “penalty” and called it a “tax”.

    What was called unconstitutional by other courts is now legal. Whatever happened to “no taxation without representation”?

    ——————————–
    video, video on site

    “Insane children and adolescents in charge of our government” -Alan Keyes

    http://downloadpolitics.com/showthread.php?32106-No-taxation-without-representation!

  • DaMav

    Sarah Palin would have sent this guy packing immediately. Just sayin…

  • how dumbed down are we bg

    ++

    Bill Mitchell #29 July 3, 2012 at 9:27 am

    frustrating..

    however hypocritical as it is, JR did say..

    “It Is Not Our Job to Protect the People From
    the Consequences of Their Political Choices”

    and here i am, highly suspicious, with reason
    aplenty
    , that all of this isn’t a sham.. *sigh*

    [why does history repeat itself, because by the time people learn from it,
    they’re so old that about all they can do is shout fire on their way out of
    the burning theater.. /s
    ]

    just ran across the following re #21:

    July 3, 2012

    Roberts riles the right inside and outside the Supreme Court

    [The opinions released Thursday contain clues the justices were deeply divided and perhaps uncertain of the outcome. For example, the dissenting opinion of Justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. does not criticize the chief justice’s controlling opinion. Instead, it refers to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s dissent on the individual mandate.]

    again, can anyone expalin what “unsigned joint dissent”
    means in legalese terms vs common sense?? thank you..

    ==

  • Patty

    RNC Attacks Obama Joke: “You Will Not See Your Taxes Go Up”

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    RNC Attacks Obama Joke: “You Will Not See Your Taxes Go Up”
    Bert Atkinson Jr. June 29, 2012 11:02 am

    The Republican National Committee, keeping up on their social media campaigns like we haven’t seen before in a presidential election, have already released an ad absolutely belittling Obama for saying that families making under $250,000 a year would not see a tax increase.

    Well, Mr. Obama, your little tax increase yesterday may just come back and bite you in the bum.

    As pointed out in this article, the penalty for not following the direction of the individual mandate requiring all Americans to purchase health care coverage is not a fine, but a tax.

    This is likely to be a very effective ad for Independents across the country: with high unemployment and a more or less stagnant economy, Americans struggling to save money are very unlikely to be happy with a mandate requiring them to pay even more money out of their pocket for either health coverage or a fine.

    Most importantly, this could not possibly sit well with unemployed Americans who will be forced to pay money for at least a fine even though they cannot get an income-producing job. They are likely to become furious with this ruling…especially since President Obama spent the better part of two years focusing on passing the Affordable Care Act instead of focusing on unemployment and the economy.

    What once looked great for liberals is now looking like a two-headed monster.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/9447-rnc-attacks-obama-joke-you-will-not-see-your-taxes-go-up/

  • Romney should have come out MONTHS AGO – during the Primary debates – and said “I was wrong; Romneycare was a mistake” and get that behind him.

    Because he didn’t he’s now in the position of having to be very careful about criticizing Obamacare.

    As a result, a surrogate (Fehrnstrom) HAD to say this, otherwise Romney would look like a hypocrite … which is much worse from a political standpoint.

    Had he come clean from the beginning, this would not even be an issue.

    On the upside, it makes him appear to have some principles.

  • Patty

    #42

    Sorry about the first part of my comment. Tired today 🙁

  • CommieJuice

    @DavidC #35 – “The Robert’s decision was wrong. Don’t all of us agree with that?”

    YES, we can all agree on that, BUT, what we have now is a tax that was upheld, not a fee. Roberts changed that, it’s what we have now no matter how much people want to argue it’s a fee. What sounds worse to the American people who don’t understand the difference between a mandated fee and tax? Does a tax sound worse than a fee? Do any politicians say they want to raise taxes, especially in an election year? The Dimocrats have been using the “expiring Bush tax cuts” as a way to raise taxes without saying directly they are raising taxes. Add the 0bamacare TAXES along with the expiring Bush tax cuts and what do we have?

  • Patty

    This is likely to be a very effective ad for Independents across the country: with high unemployment and a more or less stagnant economy, Americans struggling to save money are very unlikely to be happy with a mandate requiring them to pay even more money out of their pocket for either health coverage or a fine.

    http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/9447-rnc-attacks-obama-joke-you-will-not-see-your-taxes-go-up/

    This is a very important voting block.

  • Patty

    If you took all the money Obama has wasted in Green Projects (Failed) Stimulus (Failed) you probably could have insured a few uninsured for at least a couple of years.

  • how dumbed down are we bg

    ++

    re: #41 July 3, 2012 at 10:17 am bg

    SCOTUS Also Decides HHS Can’t Penalize
    States That Choose Not to Participate …

    Scott Walker Says No To ObamaTax

    [Walker, defending his position, stated,

    “While the court said it was legal, that doesn’t make it right. For us to
    put time and effort and resources into that doesn’t make a lot of sense.”

    He’s right. If Republicans intend to spend their political capital on the
    repealing of Obamacare, then it is a bit of a mixed message to begin
    the process of implementing that which your party is working against.

    Walker has made it clear his disdain for federally mandated healthcare.
    Calling it a “tax increase”, Walker claimed that Obamacare will lead to
    the rationing of care to control costs.]

    scroll for a bit more here..

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  • Patty: here’s the real joke (and it’s on us): Obama said “you will not SEE a tax” increase.

    He was right: nobody SAW it coming.

  • Patty

    OT

    Bankrupt Colo. solar firm sticks taxpayers for $68 million, doomed by poor quality

    {..}

    The U.S. Department of Energy awarded Abound Solar a $400 million loan guarantee in December 2010, funds that the then-three-year-old startup said it would use to compete with solar panel industry leader First Solar.

    The company had tapped into about $70 million of those funds by August 2011 when the DOE unplugged it from the taxpayers’ cash stream, around the same time the more famous Solyndra went bankrupt. That company ate through $535 million in loans guaranteed by the federal government before it failed.

    While cheap imports from China have crippled much of the U.S. solar panel market, Abound’s problems appear to have been rooted in the quality of its own products, the competitiveness of its business model and its inability to retain top talent.[..]

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/03/bankrupt-colo-solar-firm-sticks-taxpayers-for-68-million-doomed-by-poor-quality/#ixzz1zZdBNNAJ

    If you clear out or investigated the failed in OUR government and the money that has been evidently wasted. SPENDING UP INTO 5 TO 6 TRILLION IN WASTEFUL SPENDING. 8.2% unemployed and this government is going to tax for others to have healthcare.

    get rid of Obama and start cleaning under the cushions. BILLIONS OR A TRILLION OR TWO WILL BE FOUND.

  • how dumbed down are we bg

    ++

    Patty #47 July 3, 2012 at 10:23 am

    if we took all the money spent on politicking in the last wasted,
    and many more to come, decade alone, every man woman child
    on planet Earth would be well fed, clothed, and sheltered..

    ==

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  • Patty

    #49 July 3, 2012 at 10:29 am
    meximom commented:

    Patty: here’s the real joke (and it’s on us): Obama said “you will not SEE a tax” increase.

    He was right: nobody SAW it coming.
    _________________

    I cannot stress this more, I am just sitting here typing until my fingers are raw. But not sure if Americans are just ignoring the failures of Obama and Administration or they are too busy to see the insanity of every Czar, Government Department, Obama’s green Agenda, his refusal for XL pipeline, but the waste.

    The lie about Obama care, IN OUR FACE!! Everything this administrator is spend and fail.

    OMG, when will the voters see what is happening and Vote the morons out.

  • Patty

    #51 July 3, 2012 at 10:30 am
    how dumbed down are we bg commented:

    ++

    Patty #47 July 3, 2012 at 10:23 am

    if we took all the money spent on politicking in the last wasted,
    and many more to come, decade alone, every man woman child
    on planet Earth would be well fed, clothed, and sheltered..
    _______________

    You want to leap up off your chair and SCREAM. I am one American who sees this idiocy and it is IN OUR FACE. So, clear and no budget no control no end in sight but hoping this time we can do something in November. But it is a vicious cycle. OVER AND OVER. SPENDING AND TAXING.

  • Patty

    Put a fork in us, we are done!

  • how dumbed down are we bg

    ++

    re: #48 July 3, 2012 at 10:26 am bg

    July 2, 2012

    Gov. Rick Scott:
    Florida Won’t Implement Medicaid Expansion of Obamacare

    [“It’s going to be devastating for our families that need care, it’s going
    to be devastating for taxpayers, and it’s going to kill jobs,” he declares.

    “I’m very hopeful that this will be repealed and I’m going to make sure, as
    much as I can, that it doesn’t adversely impact Floridians. We have a very
    good safety net for our citizens. We need more jobs, not more government
    involvement in our lives.”]

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  • Monkey Wrench

    Obamacare requires people that do not buy healthcare insurance to pay money to the federal government. Some people are calling this a tax and others are calling it a penalty. Does it matter constitutionally? In other words, is the law constitutional if it’s a tax, but unconstitutional if it’s a penalty?

  • Patty

    It seems bureaucrats, PC ers, Liberal Professors, kids these days, new generations of what “I KNOW BEST AND THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU” attitude.

    Too many people who are adding their pathetic opinions and there opinions are getting a pass. DOESN’T MATTER IF THEY ARE GOOD OR BAD, just a whole lot of nothing that than becomes a LAW, or a Mandate, Or anther tax.

    Some of the most screwed up and irresponsible idea or decision made up by one person and then we have to abide.

    This is what we have become when liberals and environmental get together. There lie the waste. There goes your freedoms. Another every day, and another freedom lost.

  • Patty

    #57 July 3, 2012 at 10:46 am
    Monkey Wrench commented:

    Obamacare requires people that do not buy healthcare insurance to pay money to the federal government. Some people are calling this a tax and others are calling it a penalty. Does it matter constitutionally? In other words, is the law constitutional if it’s a tax, but unconstitutional if it’s a penalty?
    _______________

    Better much, Judge is explaining on Fox now.

  • Patty

    pretty much, typo
    #59

  • how dumbed down are we bg

    ++

    Patty #58 July 3, 2012 at 10:46 am

    “what the fascist left have been aiming for is to “equate” good with evil..
    that’s the only way they can appease their conscience in the face of the
    harsh reality they are trying to escape from because it does not fit in
    with their ideological utopian matrix.. if there is no good vs evil, then all
    is good even if [the] all is evil..” – bg

    ==

  • Patty

    If you don’t have insurance and your tax returns reflect that IRS can charge a fee . And if your tax returns look suspicious they can audit you, like they can anyway.

    The fee the IRS charges though is based on your Gross income.

  • Patty

    #61 July 3, 2012 at 10:48 am
    how dumbed down are we bg commented:

    ++

    Patty #58 July 3, 2012 at 10:46 am

    “what the fascist left have been aiming for is to “equate” good with evil..
    that’s the only way they can appease their conscience in the face of the
    harsh reality they are trying to escape from because it does not fit in
    with their ideological utopian matrix.. if there is no good vs evil, then all
    is good even if [the] all is evil..” – bg
    _______________

    Fascist aren’t
    racial people 🙂

  • Patty

    So, Romney needs to explain his advisers comments. Because THIS IS OUR NATION BIGGEST TAX IN U.S. HISTORY, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, ROMNEY RECEIVE 4 MILLION IN DONATIONS ON THE DAY THE COURT RULE AND SOME AFTER.

  • Gary

    Bill Mitchell 6

    +1

  • Gary

    FU#K Obama 11

    Yes, they have a third party just for you.
    I think they’re called the I Helped Obama Get Re-Elected by Bashing Romney-crats.
    The campaign buttons are kinda big, but the committee members are some real geniuses.

  • owl

    #43 “Romney should have come out MONTHS AGO – during the Primary debates – and said “I was wrong; Romneycare was a mistake” and get that behind him.”

    Yes. IF he had, he would have held the biggest stick on the stage. All he had to do was OWN it, point at it and say he was a businessman that learns. He could have stopped the beatings we watched him take week after week.

    Just think what he could have done with that against Obama.

    If he thought like Obama just a teeny bit, he would still do it today. Make a huge speech and flip that flop on it’s head. Pick it up and beat on Obama every day. Americans do not like to watch this painful experience explaining “is”.

  • Gary

    Multitude 14

    Romney stated it that way over and over in the primaries. The case has been made. The only people left to sway on the difference between States’ rights to healthcare mandates and federal unconstitutional mandates are people who can’t be made to understand or couldn’t care less. I like to think they’re going to stay home on election day.

  • Gary

    Pink tie Republican 16

    Hopefully Romney has a heart attack…?
    Hopefully you get severe arthritis and the average quality of posts here goes up a tad.

  • Gary

    Workingclass 19

    Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory was done by John Roberts, not by the campaign.
    As Bill Mitchell pointed out, there was no other way to play it.

    It is a tax: (so you’re saying it is constitutional?)
    It is not a tax (so you’re saying Obama was right all along?)

    The Dems have set up a doublespeak here that the media refuses to acknowledge, and as such, they pivot positions correspondingly depending on how anybody on our side reacts to the ruling.

  • Bill Mitchell

    COUPLE POINTS:

    I am continually amazed by the short-sightedness of many posters here:

    1) Was the Roberts decision to re-write the law (not his job) and call the mandate a “tax” technically incorrect? Yes.

    2) Is the mandate a tax? Well, If I answered “yes” to the prior question then no, it is not a tax – it is a fee under the commerce clause. You think I am playing into Obama’s hands with this? Sorry but the truth never plays into the hands of evil. Ever.

    3) Has Roberts “stabbed us in the back”? Well, that all depends on whether you want to win the battle and lose the war or the other way around. What has happened since the Roberts decision? Has the Republican base become energized? Have contributions increased? Have we now turned a dull Romney candidacy into an exciting “mission” election as 2010 was?

    So, my question to you is, if the Roberts decision energized our base, increased contributions and gave us a mission, how exactly has he stabbed us in the back?

    4) From the standpoint of history, are Conservatives better off if we defeat Obamacare at the ballot box or through the decision on unelected judges? Conservatives argue against judicial activism all the time. That knife cuts both ways.

    5) If Conservatives cannot defeat Obamacare at the ballot box, we do not deserve to defeat it. We are only 4 months away. Why does everyone want the cheap out? Do you think we cannot win in November?

    6) If the SC had overturned Obamacare it would have energized a now slumbering Democrat base. They would have been on a mission instead of us. Is that what you people want? Foolish and short-sighted.

    CONCLUSION:
    Roberts has given Democrats a Trojan Horse and they pulled it right into the gates. As a result of this decision, Conservatives will win the WH, win the Senate and overturn Obamacare at the ballot box.

    Which part of that exactly are you people complaining about? Your only reason to complain is if you do not believe we can win. If that is the case, you personally are a far greater problem than Judge Roberts.

    Roberts is playing chess and thinking 10 moves ahead. Unfortunately most people here seem to be playing checkers.

  • Patty

    Chief Justice Roberts saved Barack Obama’s health care law from being overturned by, essentially, calling the president a liar.
    From the get-go, Obama knew that if he and his supporters ever admitted the proposed mandate at the center of this deception was actually a tax, there was no way it ever would have passed Congress. As it was, the Democratic leadership had to bribe, cajole and threaten the bill into law.
    For his part, the president had publicly promised the American people during his campaign and afterward that he would never, ever raise taxes on the middle class. But his own health care law was making a liar of him.
    Instead of admitting it, he simply denied the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of what a tax is and hoped that most voters wouldn’t notice.
    But now his lie has been totally exposed in the most glaring of ways.
    Congress doesn’t have the constitutional power to force individual citizens to engage in commerce, the Supreme Court ruled. But it does have the power to levy taxes, and that’s what Obama and his fellow Democrats did with the ACA.
    Republicans were quick to pounce.
    What the president and his lawyers had done was commit a “bait and switch” against the American people. After publicly denying the mandate was a tax, Obama’s lawyers went before the Supreme Court and quietly argued that it was.
    “It’s a tax,” said Delaware County GOP leader Andrew Reilly, who if he said it once during our conversation Thursday afternoon, said it 12 times. “It’s a tax and let’s call it what it is.”
    And even if it’s been declared constitutional, said Reilly, “It doesn’t change the fact that it’s a bad law.”{……} Great Article

    http://www.pottsmerc.com/article/20120703/OPINION03/120709862/obamacare-just-another-job-killing-tax-bill

  • Patty

    Chris Christie Disagrees With Top Romney Adviser: Obamacare Is A Tax And A Penalty

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/chris-christie-romney-obamacare-tax-penalty_n_1645759.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

    I agree it is both a penalty and a tax. You are penalized through your taxes and pay a fee if you don’t have insurance and therefore it is a tax, also. IRS IS THE TAX MAN.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Don’t say you disagree with Roberts ruling then use his flawed logic to bash Democrats.

    Quite frankly, I don’t care what it looks like to anyone. What I want to know is, what are the Republicans and Mitt (if he manages to win in November) going to do to destroy it?

  • Patty

    Look at this soon to be out jobber has to say: Wassy, give us all a break and just shut up

    DNC Wasserman Schultz tells you failure to comply with Obamacare will no longer be tolerated

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/02/dnc-chair-tells-cnn-health-care-is-a-penalty/?iref=allsearch

    Who had to die and make her anybody. She is a curly headed radical and is trying to score points.

  • Skip

    Do any of you folks still believe that Mitt Romney is going to put up a better fight against Obama before the November election than Newt Gingrich would have?

    I sure as hell do not! Let’s face it, with Justice Roberts going liberal we are and will be stuck with both Obamacare and Obama.

  • Sasja

    Get off this stupid issue of is it a tax, no it’s a penalty. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is what this ruling has done to the Constitution and that Bammycare is now law. Law that is devastating to our liberty. So get over the semantics. It doesn’t matter.

    And remember. The damage to our Constitution will still be there even if Bammycare is repealed.

  • Patty

    DNC chair tells CNN health care is a penalty

    CNN’s Wolf Blitzer discusses the health care ruling with DNC chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    passing this off as a penalty. I heard Justice say it was a TAX

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/02/dnc-chair-tells-cnn-health-care-is-a-penalty/?iref=allsearch

    Roberts created a win for Republicans and the Democrats are pushing this as a penalty.

    To think Obama wasted time on his signature bill, never pushed as a tax and no one would have voted it into law had it been pushed that way.

    Democrats have a big hill to climb because Americans aren’t going to pay one single dime in more taxes. Not is this economy or at all. It will be repealed.

  • owl

    This thread has convinced me that Bill Mitchell sits either in the House or Senate as one of our ELECTED officials on our side.

  • Patty

    WHAT WILL LIFE BE UNDER OBAMA CARE?

    http://video.foxnews.com/

  • Valerie

    #67 July 3, 2012 at 11:11 am
    owl commented:

    States have more power than the federal government does. That’s the level where social experimentation is designed to take place.

    It’d be nice to get some candid feedback on how well it’s actually working, and why.

    Not sure if this is it.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57459563/massachusetts-health-care-plan-6-years-later/

    Notice, though, that taxpayers picked up the bill for the uninsured

  • owl

    That Breitbart update is so right. Romney needs to take back that spokesman statement, fire Eric and fight Obama’s TAX. Lord save me from the smart ones. Don’t make me get back in their foxhole.

  • bg

    ++

    testing 123..

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  • bg

    ++

    July 2, 2012

    Letter From Tea Party to Congress:
    We Don’t Want Your Cotton Candy Bulls hit!

    [Last week’s Supreme Court decision on Obamacare was a devastating
    blow to personal liberties. And while the right spent the day trying to
    create a faux silver lining to regain our trust, I began to think about the
    part the spinning Republicans played in this fiasco.

    [..]

    You want to be in office you are going to have to fight for your life and you will have to be transparent about who you really support. We are not going to listen to your properly constructed fluffy messages and empty promises dripping with sweet guile. We reject the cotton candy that you are pushing to the American people like a dealer does in front of the elementary school. If you are going to make secret deals, trade your ideals for chits or political favors trying to pass it off as being pragmatic and principled, hire establishment consultants to make the decisions we sent you there to make… you will no longer use the Tea Party as your springboard.

    The Tea Party has a simple litmus test:

    *Make sure you have signed the Tax Pledge put out by Grover Norquist.]

    ==

  • Patty

    Romney himself is vulnerable when it comes to his health care record. He, after all, supported a mandate as governor of Massachusetts, and doesn’t want that to be considered a tax, either.

    First of all, that is one state he was governor. He said he would repeal Obama care. Now, his adviser says this is not a Tax.

    Romney received donations in the millions after ruling. America was hopeful that he will repeal Obamatax. He and Congress provided the majority are republicans in house and senate. This is the only way Obama care will be abolished. And remember this Obamatax kicks in to full in 2014.

    Here is what will have lasting affects, if Obama is re-elected he will never allow his signature law to be repeal, not matter what. Roberts comments is that he can’t change the politicians we vote in so, if Americans want this law gone, they have to vote.

    So, we will see in November but Truthfully, IT IS ECONOMY AND JOBS AND WITH THAT COMES GROWTH AND CONFIDENCE.

    This will propel the voters and honestly, then Obama care. And we will win because Romney has stressed over and over Economy and Jobs. If Romney repeats this he could win. Sadly, Americans aren’t enthusiastic about our Nation but they may get more enthused about Romney because E and J are the most important issue today.

  • lizzy84

    Romney camp better get their act together. This is very stupid. They should retract the comment and clearly state that the mandate has been held to be punitive TAX and the law could only could be held to be Constitutionally sound rewritten under that argument. They can also clear up this statement by indicating that yes, the position that the majority of the SC advanced was ‘contrived’ -in holding that Urkel’s mandate is Constitutional as a tax.

  • Patty

    OT

    Obama hates Bain, but loves Bain-backed Staples

    Team Obama turns out to be a big fan, spending $17,963.04 at Staples this year alone, according to Federal Election Commission reports. The Obama campaign just doesn’t walk into stores to shop, it also participates in the Staples Advantage business-to-business market where a majority of the spending went.

    And the endorsement of Bain-backed super-stores doesn’t end there. The campaign in February also spent $199.99 at Sports Authority which the Romney firm also backed.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-hates-bain-but-loves-bain-backed-staples/article/2501246

  • Lee

    I don’t care if it is an illegal mandate or a tax. It is Obamacare.

    Tell everyone you meet. We have to win in November. The country can’t survive another four years of Obama.

  • Patty

    typo:
    This will propel the voters and honestly, then Obama care

    It won’t propel Obamacare, it will kill it. Romney said he would repeal Obama care but can he?

    ______________

    Here is the saddest part of this whole situation:

    41% don’t know about Obamacare decision

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/07/41-dont-know-about-obamacare-decision/

  • Patty

    Tea Party Groups Planning July 4 Comeback

    On July 4, the tea party will dust off the tri-corn hats and head into the streets to fight the second revolutionary war against “Obamacare.”

    Tea party organizers tell TPM that the movement is planning a big Independence Day push in response to the Supreme Court ruling in favor of President Obama’s health care reform bill. The decision ruling the law constitutional — and the surprising vote of Chief Justice John Roberts in the majority — has breathed new life into the tea party, members say.

    But the tea party is also growing up. And that’s one of the reasons why, organizers say, crowds will mobilize in small towns, but not on Capitol Hill.

    Instead, the tea party and its corporate backers say they want to leverage their base to identify voters and activate a get-out-the-vote army in the fall. The Supreme Court’s decision made that process much easier, tea partiers say.

    “My email and phone has been flooded with calls since the ruling,” said Everett Wilkinnson, president of the South Florida Tea Party. Wilkinnson vowed to defy the health care law after the Supreme Court ruling was announced, and he said people are ready to take to the streets again.

    “I see people very energized,” he said. “I haven’t seen this since they passed [the health care law] or the stimulus bill.”[………….}

    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/tea-party-picks-july-4-for-post-scotus-comeback.php

    2010 was the beginning!!! And November we will take back America.

  • Romney needs to stay on message hammering the economy as it sinks back into recession.

    If asked about this in the debates, Romney can say that he personally believes that the individual mandate is an unconstitutional fine, but that the Supreme Court disagrees and held that it was the largest tax increase in history.

    Pick your poison.

  • Patty

    OT Remember the indoctrination in 2008 elections, kids told their parents to vote for Obama and the did, desperate times call for Obama to get his kids out there. Will they be off limits. Yes, by the liberal media that is.
    __________

    Malia Obama: Are Obama Kids Being Used For Votes?

    “Children have a kind of humanizing impact, and that’s really what Obama needs,” Tom Jensen, director of Public Policy Polling, said. “Voters feel like things haven’t changed as much as they wanted. The economy still is not where they wanted it to be. He needs people to vote more on whether they like him or not, regardless of his record of accomplishment.”

    http://www.webpronews.com/malia-obama-are-obama-kids-being-used-for-votes-2012-07

  • bg

    ++

    Patty #87 July 3, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    posted the following several times, again,
    the sounds of deafening blog crickets..

    The Hypocrisy of Obama’s Bain Bundler

    May 14, 2012
    By Robert Costa

    [As Katrina reports, Mitt Romney left Bain Capital in 1999 to manage the
    Winter Olympics, two years before GST Steel declared bankruptcy. But
    that hasn’t stopped President Obama from blaming him for the company’s
    2001 collapse. In a new Obama campaign video, ex-steel workers criticize
    Romney for being “out of touch” with the “average working person.” Left
    unmentioned (and blameless) is Jonathan Lavine.

    Lavine, according to the Los Angeles Times, is a top Obama bundler and
    a managing director at Bain Capital. Lavine, who has raised over $100,000
    for the president, was at the firm when GST Steel declared bankruptcy.
    So according to the Obama team’s logic, Romney, who had left Bain, is
    responsible for GST Steel’s demise, but Lavine, who was there, is not?
    Expect to hear more about this connection.
    ]

    ==

  • GP Fan

    They should dig into WHO EXACTLY this guy even is! I can’t believe no one knows and no one will find out, and now he’s inviting terrorists, who magically don’t get caught on the no-fly list? And treats our enemies as friends and our friends as enemies? And no one will even bother to find out, three years later, who he even IS! Prosecute THAT FRAUD and all that goes with it, and then they can NULL AND VOID EVERYTHING HE’S DONE, EVERYTHING, and it will undo ALL of the ABSOLUTE DISASTER this admin has been! Wa-la. The whole nightmare undone! Everything voided!

  • Patty

    OT

    Christie, I might let Obama care exchange come in a run Healthcare.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/christie-healthcare-exchange-obama/2012/07/03/id/444343

  • Patty

    #93 July 3, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    bg commented:
    _________________

    Yes, I have seen your postings on this. I do read and go to the sites, that you post often.

    Obama is a cheat and liar. Media needs its head handed to them on a platter.

    The democrats pushed this as not a tax. The media are pushing lies. The two are one in the same. Washington Post lies, Media Matter Lies, they believe know one will give it a second thought.

    WaPo: Four Pinocchios to Team Obama for “corporate raider” slur

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/22/wapo-another-day-another-four-pinocchios-to-team-obama/

  • Patty
  • Patty

    OT

    4 Pinocchios, Barack Obama
    Whopper: White House adviser David Plouffe on Romney’s jobs record and GOP strategy

    “There was an amazing article the other day, I believe it was in the Wall Street Journal, where Republicans in Congress openly were saying, ‘we’re not going to do anything until the election on the economy, because we want to help Mitt Romney.’ … With an economy that needs help right now, with the middle class that’s struggling, it’s an amazing thing.”

    “For all of this talk about government, for every private-sector job created in Massachusetts by Governor Romney, six public sector jobs.”

    — White House senior adviser David Plouffe on “Fox News Sunday,” June 17, 2012

    White House senior adviser David Plouffe made the rounds on the Sunday talk shows this week, making appearances on all the major networks except one. He used the opportunity to defend and clarify President Obama’s campaign message, but he also took swipes at presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney.

    We wondered what article Plouffe was referring to when he said Republicans have talked openly about trying to improve Romney’s election chances by blocking economic progress. And what about the Republican challenger’s job-creation numbers? We wrote a column in the past about this issue, but Plouffe’s assertion about six government jobs for every private-sector job represented a new and inconceivable-sounding twist.

    Let’s examine the veracity of these claims.

    The Facts

    In terms of the “amazing article” Plouffe referred to, we found no reports quoting Republicans talking openly about sitting idle on the economy to improve Romney’s election chances.

    The Obama campaign backed up Plouffe’s claim by pointing to a Wall Street Journal article titled “Republicans See Advantages in Go-Slow Approach on Bills.” The subhead reads:“GOP Lawmakers Banking on Election Gains; Democrats also resist compromise.”

    Right away, this suggests the article is not what the White House adviser implied. Sure enough, the piece says Republicans are “bullish about Mr. Romney winning and the GOP making gains in the Senate,” and that “they are wary of cutting deals that would curb the options of more conservative leadership that could be in place next year.”

    In other words, GOP lawmakers don’t see much sense in making deals with Democrats when they might have a lot more power after the election. One senior member of the House Budget Committee, Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.), reportedly asked: “Where is the upside?”

    The article says nothing about Republicans trying to sabotage the Obama administration with inaction on the economy in order to help Romney’s prospects. In fact, it said, “Republican leaders deny that.”

    Furthermore, the report noted that Democrats themselves are avoiding compromise on major budget issues because “they don’t want to undercut their ability to make a campaign issue of Republicans’ support for curbing the growth of Medicare and other popular entitlement programs.” This is the only mention of either party using inaction as a strategy to affect the upcoming election, and it’s an indictment of the left, not the right.

    We should point out that calculated moves are nothing new for lawmakers during an election year. In 1996, for example, congressional Republicans saw little hope that then-GOP presidential nominee Bob Dole would unseat President Bill Clinton, so they passed welfare-reform legislation before the GOP convention had even taken place. This increased their own odds of victory in the election, but it undercut Dole, taking away an issue he had hoped to use against Clinton.

    We should also mention that the current Republican strategy mirrors an approach Democrats used when they were confident their party would win the presidency in 2008. Congressional leaders then held back many key appropriations bills until Obama took office in 2009, thus allowing them to shape the 2008 budget more to their liking.

    As for Plouffe’s claim about the Bay State’s employment gains, data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show Massachusetts added 22,400 private-sector jobs during Romney’s tenure. That means the state would need to have created 134,400 public-sector jobs in the same period for the White House adviser’s claim to be true.

    That’s not even close to what happened. Massachusetts gained just 5,300 state-government jobs while Romney was in office. As such, the state added more than four private-sector jobs for every state-government job. This is pretty much the reverse of what Plouffe claimed.

    The best reasoning we could find to support Plouffe’s claim is that the rate of public-sector job growth for the state (4.7 percent) was about six times that of private-sector gains (.79 percent) during Romney’s tenure. But this is very different from having six times the number of new government jobs, which is what the White House adviser clearly implied when he said, “for every private-sector job created in Massachusetts by Governor Romney, six public sector jobs.”

    The bottom line here is that Plouffe equated growth rates with raw numbers, thereby vastly exaggerating the amount of public-sector work the Bay State created under Romney.

    We should note that we didn’t include local or federal employment in our analysis because governors generally have little control over those numbers. Regardless, it wouldn’t have made a difference. Government jobs as a whole in Massachusetts increased at a slower rate (.46 percent) than private sector jobs (.79 percent) during Romney’s tenure.

    In this regard, the state added more than 11 private-sector jobs for every government job. Again, this contradicts what Plouffe said.

    The Obama campaign did not respond to questions about Plouffe’s statistics, but issued this statement about his remarks Sunday: “Instead of taking action on the economy and passing the President’s American Jobs Act now, congressional Republicans continue to drag their feet and play politics, though their own candidate Romney has no plan on jobs. Just like David Plouffe said, we have an economy that needs help right now, with a middle class that’s struggling. Republicans should set the politics aside and do what’s in the best interest of the country.”

    The Pinocchio Test

    Government jobs in Massachusetts grew at six times the rate of private-sector jobs during Romney’s term as governor, but that’s not at all the same as adding six public-sector jobs for every one in the private-sector. The state actually gained at least four private-sector jobs for every government job.

    Plouffe referred to an “amazing article” that supposedly proved that Republicans have talked openly about improving Romney’s chances in the election by doing nothing on the economy. But the article actually explained that GOP lawmakers prefer to postpone any deal making until after the election because they’re feeling bullish about their chances. That is no different than what Democrats have done in the past.

    Neither of Plouffe’s claims were factually correct, so Team Obama earns four Pinocchios.

    Four Pinocchios

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/whopper-white-house-adviser-david-plouffe-on-romneys-jobs-record-and-gop-strategy/2012/06/20/gJQAi13HrV_blog.html

    This is bad news for Obama and it is a good day whenever that happens.

  • Patty

    #98

    Didn’t realize this was so long. Terribly sorry! 🙁

  • Rose

    I’ve already hit Romney’s and Boehner’s and McConnell’s websites several times each since last week – we need to hit them hard and frequently. Rush is already reporting today that Conservative anger has never been hotter than now.

    REPEAL, NULLIFY, AND VOID – NO REPLACEMENTS – BUILD TRUST, NOT MARXIST SCAMS!!!

    But they haven ‘t begun to feel the heat – they need some serious melt-downs.

    And they need to understand that the problem with the storms isn’t GLOBAL WARMING – it is CLOSED POWER PLANTS that were closed Before these storms, that all the power plants had to waste good money on EPA FINES AND UNNECESSARY UPGRADES to meet STUPID ASSININE REGULATIONS instead of PRACTICAL AND NEEDFUL upgrades, like getting cables buried and developing more small portable generators for emergency use in stricken areas, and letting people do WISE TREE-TRIMMING and removals, WHERE NEEDED, as well.

    DISMANTLE THE EPA and try the executives for TREASON for the disasters they deliberately create in trying to blame Conservatives and “Global Warming”.

  • No one wins.

    If Romney or his people say it is a penalty, which the Supreme Court ruled as Unconstitutional then the are attacked by Conservatives because the media says it’s a penalty. If they say it is a tax like the idiots on the Supreme Court said it was then they are attacked by the Conservatives because then that validates it as Constitutional.

    Perhaps one day the Republicans will learn to not eat their own!

  • mcc

    Why can’t Mitt say he was governor of a very liberal state. He was doing the will of the people.

    Taxes aren’t a problem for liberals. They like their socialism.

    The country, however, is not so liberal. In fact, leans conservative — especially on the issue of federalized health care.

    To the degree it doesn’t hurt other states, allow every state to enact laws that reflect the will of its residents – as laboratories of experimentation. It’s improper for the federal government do so the same or to impose a one-size-fits-all program on us all.

    We can choose to live in another state. We don’t want to be forced to live in another country.

  • mcc

    Re #102 — depending on what happens in November, I’m looking at the handful of states that have refused to cooperate with ObamaTAX. Mine is a very liberal state, run by an I’m-lying-about-not-being-a-DSAer-but-I’ve-always-loved-me-some-commies-hey!-best-pal-of-BOSr —

    Relocation is definitely a possibility.

  • bg

    ++

    Patty #95 July 3, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    NJ Gov. Chris Christie

    [Christie, who has been critical of the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling last
    week to uphold the federal health insurance overhaul, said again that
    the ruling was wrong.

    He said that he is weighing whether it would be less expensive for
    the state to let the federal government set up a health exchange
    that each state must have under the law.

    [..]

    He also praised one part of last week’s ruling that reduces the
    federal government’s ability to force states to expand Medicaid
    to include people with incomes up to 133 percent of the poverty
    level.

    “Medicaid is pretty well expanded in our state already,” he
    said. “I don’t think there’s a lot for us to do in New Jersey.”]

    WI Gov. Scott Walker (#48)

    FL Gov. Rick Scott (#56)

    lying liars everywhere, who’s telling US the truth??

    [So, for states, like New Jersey, Virginia, Georgia, Florida, and others
    who reject the onerous expansion of Medicaid foisted upon them, the
    HHS Secretary can only say “Pretty Please”.]

    ==

  • Winston Wolfe

    Once again, thank you Patty for polluting another thread with your incessant off-topic posts.

    Appreciated.

  • bg
  • bg

    ++

    Winston Wolfe #105 July 3, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    and i can read your brilliant contributions
    on the topic in which numbered posts??

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  • Liz

    I don’t see why this is a brain twister for you people. Read the opinion, and the dissent. Romney agrees with the dissent. So do I.

  • Monkey Wrench

    #106

    Healthcare is rationed today. Insurance companies decide what they will or won’t pay for. You and your doctor may decide that you will benefit from a certain treatment, but the insurance company decides if they will pay for it.

    If you have the means, you can always pay for it yourself.

  • MVH

    OK. This guy again? Talk about snatching defeat from
    the jaws of victory. Really?!!! Try and “etch-a-scetch” that brilliant move away.

    Couldn’t he’ve said Romney agrees with Justces Kennedy, Alioto [a little Ted Kennedy lingo, there], Scalia, and Thomas, and leave it at that?

    Gov. Romney needs to get a spokesman who will not get led by a hack journalist.

  • mcc

    And about John Roberts…(failed to mention this in confirmation process) —

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2005/08/roberts-and-gay-rights-pro-bono-work.html

    If memory serves…

    Eric Holder’s pro bono work for terrorists – at the very least – gave us pause.

  • owl

    #101 “Perhaps one day the Republicans will learn to not eat their own!”

    Don’t hold your breath. I am convinced we live for it.

  • PAfor Mitt

    Mitt and your team, repeat after me, “It’s a bad law, It’s a bad law, It’s a bad law, It’s a bad law, It’s a bad law, It’s a bad law, It’s a bad law, It’s a bad law, It’s a bad law”. Get over what you did in MA and don’t about you calling Obamacare a tax and then worrying about defending Romneycare. Don’t be on the defense and worry about defending Romneycare. That affected one state. Attack Obamacare which affects the entire country! Get going Mitt – time’s a wasting!!!!!

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