Blowout! Bill O’Reilly and Rep. Jason Chaffetz in Epic Gun Rights Debate (Video)

Bill O’Reilly and Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) battled tonight over gun control legislation. Rep. Chaffetz was invited on to discuss gun rights following the theater massacre in Colorado. Bill wants more rules and legislation passed to “prevent” another mass shooting like the slaughter last week. Chaffetz told Bill he was misinformed. O’Reilly also said he was a big Second Amendment person.

Andrea Ryan added this on firearms registration:

Bill O’Reilly was wrong and Senator Chaffetz was completely correct.

A simple reading of the ATF’s own website is irrefutable support that Bill O’Reilly was ranting on a topic he knows nothing about. And it’s a dangerous rant, because it incites people based on misinformation. For someone to call an AK-47 (a gun that could be, and is, used for hunting) “heavy armor” and “heavy armament” and then lump it in with mortars and heavy artillery is astoundingly uninformed. And then shame on Bill O’Reilly to tell Senator Chaffetz, who does know and understand the Federal laws, that he was wrong.

The Federal government requires a $200 SOT Tax Stamp for certain firearms listed below, along with an NFA application, a background check, and approval by the ATF, as well as, the local Chief Law Enforcement Officer. It’s an extremely rigorous and expensive process. The government makes it very difficult to own one of these and they make the burden on the individual to get it right quite brutal. Note: the machine guns that Bill O’Reilly said you can “just grab one at a gun show” are on the ATF’s list. You can’t just grab one at a gun show. This even applies to any piece of metal, i.e. a sear, that allows a rifle to become fully automatic.

The process takes many, many months. And if an owner wants to give or sell any of these firearms to another individual they must repeat the process, along with another $200 payment to the ATF.

From the ATF‘s website,

Q: The types of firearms that must be registered in the National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record are defined in the NFA and 27 CFR, Part 479. What are some examples?

Some examples of the types of firearms that must be registered are:

  • Machine guns;
  • The frames or receivers of machine guns;
  • Any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting weapons into machine guns;
  • Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for converting a weapon into a machine gun;
  • Any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person;
  • Silencers and any part designed and intended for fabricating a silencer;
  • Short-barreled rifles;
  • Short-barreled shotguns;
  • Destructive devices; and,
  • “Any other weapon.”

A few examples of destructive devices are:

  • Molotov cocktails;
  • Anti-tank guns (over caliber .50);
  • Bazookas; and,
  • Mortars.

A few examples of “any other weapon” are:

  • H&R Handyguns;
  • Ithaca Auto-Burglar guns;
  • Cane guns; and,
  • Gadget-type firearms and “pen” guns which fire a projectile by the action of an explosive.

[26 U.S.C. 5845]

Q: How can an individual legally acquire NFA firearms?

Basically, there are 2 ways that an individual (who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from receiving or possessing firearms) may legally acquire NFA firearms:

  1. By transfer after approval by ATF of a registered weapon from its lawful owner residing in the same State as the transferee.
  2. By obtaining prior approval from ATF to make NFA firearms.

[27 CFR 479.62-66 and 479.84-86]

Q: What is the tax on making an NFA firearm?

The tax is $200 for making any NFA firearm, including “any other weapon.”

Q: How is this tax paid?

A money order or check made payable to the Bureau of ATF together with the application forms are to be mailed to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch.

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  • OT:

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    U.S. traffic deaths jump 13.5 percent in 2012

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120720/AUTO01/207200430#ixzz21au3a0cb

    Could it because of CAFE Standards? Seems like we were warned that raising the MPG CAFE Standards would mean more highway deaths.

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  • I’m not a Racist; I don’t like Biden or Pelosi either

    O’Reilly is a do-gooder blowhard who thinks he is the Moral Authority on most everything. Like all bleeding hearts, they fail to see or understand The Law of Unintended Consequences:

    http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/UnintendedConsequences.html

  • YES WE CON!

    Baxter Factor is a FRAUD – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOPW7eCwBM0

  • bg

    ++

    60 thousands rounds of heavy ammo and no check??

    EARTH TO GUN DEALERS..

    WE HAVE TERRORISTS IN SIDE THIS COUNTRY..

    WHAT WERE YOU THINKING – FAST & FURIOUS??

    GAH!!

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    how dumbed down are we??

    see something say something for heavens sake!! *sigh*

    ==

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  • CHAFFETZ FOR PRESIDENT

    BILL [BARRYS DAMAGE CONTROL PROPAGANDIST] IS SO DELUSIONAL, HES BELIEVES THE LIES & SPIN, AND THEN USES IT AS HIS ARGUMENT!!! WE KNOW THE GOVT. USES STEPS.. STEPS TO USE TO GO FURTHER & FURTHER, ITS STRATEGY!!! CHAFFETZ IS A HERO!!!! FOR EVERYTHING HE DOES FOR AMERICA!!!!

  • Lance o Lot

    A demagog will never let truth stand between himself and a good headline or photoshoot. Truth, like freedom, is only an illusion.

  • Jack

    He has definitely stepped into a topic he knows nothing about but thinks he does. I recommended he send Jesse Watters to a gun show to buy a machine gun, howitzer or bazooka and see what happens.

  • billntwrk

    DOH’RELLY DONT KNOW SHlT

  • More liberty

    Bills just another statist elite. I stopped watching him years ago.

  • bg
  • Sasja

    I quit watching O’Blowhard long ago. Every time I tuned in he was wanting the government to intervene in some real or imagined “crisis” with more regulations. People such as he think they are the smartest people in the room when they are not.

  • O’REILLY IS OFTEN MISINFORMED BLOWHARD.

    ON THIS ONE HE IS IGNORANTLY SPOUTING OUT LIES AND CONFLATING DIFFERENT TYPES OF WEAPONRY.

    O’REILLY IS A PINHEAD ON GUNS.

  • buffy

    As I have posted here before…O’Reilly is all about O’Reilly and what he can garner for himself. When he gets caught showing his ignorance of certain laws, practices and regulations he puffs ups and gets crazy. I saw that SOP tonight with Chavez. I watched O’Reilly do the same type of ignorant rant on the Elizabeth Smart case against her father. He still has not apologized for that. He’s a buffoon looking to stay in high ratings so he can pocket the money. Okay. Fine. He’s a useful idiot to get Barry out of office to those who are seeking some sort of affirmation of their “undecided” worldview. He’s done the “I haven’t made a decision yet” BS for years in order to make some sort of grand announcement prior to the election as if everyone is just some idiot who hangs on his every word. I’m just fine with that. If he tanks Barry then great. Otherwise he’s the typical blowhard with an incompetent staff that gives a theater to has beens such as B. Goldberg, Stossel and those female lawyers who appear in order for him to argue legalities in areas he has ZERO knowledge or competency in. Good Lord…have the gals at Fox fallen so far to have to oblige to his personality quirks for attention. Otherwise…more power to him as he uses his vaudeville act to get rid of Barry. I’m all for it in that case.

  • YES WE CON!
  • Mad Hatter

    Bill was acting like an arrogant *** hole.

  • driguana

    This one finally did it for me…..no more O’Reilly, period. He is such a blowhard and not really very smart despite how frequently he reminds us of his vast intelligence. Boy, it’s getting hard to watch anything or anyone on tv anymore.

  • Robert

    Corn-beef-head is looking out for you.

    Corn-beef-head wants government to
    watch over you and take care of you.

    Corn-beef-head will enjoy talking about this
    for years on end at every step of the “legal process”.

    Corn-beef-head is on your side.

  • dallasdan

    BOR showed his ass tonight, again.

  • Stella Baskomb

    The real story here is that the government already has all the gun regulations it needs – and STILL demonstrates its incompetence to enforce them . . . the evidence is the violence all around us every day, despite the regulations.

    Aurora may not even be the best example. Look at Chicago. Look at Hartford or Washington DC or St Louis. Gun regulations have failed – because the government is incompetent to enforce them.

    But that apparently does not occur to the great minds above who must think this is mainly an opportunity to bash O’Reilly.

    Really? Is THAT what’s important here?

  • man_in_tx

    O’Reilly is apparently so ignorant that he thinks the Second Amendment is about the right to go duck hunting.

    Moreover, he has clearly NEVER been to one of those horrible gun shows, where dealers are very careful and do NOT sell fully-automatic weapons — let alone “bazookas” — UNLESS they have been DEMILITARIZED (meaning rendered incapable of being fired)!

  • Bob

    The first time I saw OReilly was when he was on a jihad against the congressman (Condit) whom he was trying to convict for murdering his intern. He ruined Condit and it turns out Condit was innocent. OReilly never let facts get in his way and never apologized for being wrong. What’s different now? He didn’t even bother to have his staff do the basic research on firearms purchases.

  • Jack

    I’m afraid FOX is half way through their jumping over the shark. Hannity’s show is boring and Orielly is getting hard to watch. I do like Dobbs on FBN.

  • 22-250

    I thought I somehow got on msnbs tonight. I’ve been watching o’riley for quite a while and tonight was it. He was just like the jokers on msnbs, cnn, cbs and all the rest. Ask a question, don’t get the answer you want, argue, get louder and louder, talk over the guest, POUT, end segment. Now I have an extra hour to do other things. Thanks for showing us who you really are there Billy.

  • buffy

    I just want to add one last thing. O’Reilly just does this schtick to try to keep “undecided” clinging to his show. There are so few shows out there that are not liberal that he wins by default by acting undecided. If public opinion shifts dramatically towards Romney in the polls his staff uses, then he’s all in for Romney. It boosts his ratings and he gets paid more. Simple as that. But he’s still trying to play both sides until it’s irrevocable so he can brag about his ability to ferret out the truth. I just feel sorry for the washed up reporters and those trying to cling to some sort of relevance have to endure his illogical and frankly irrational thought processes. He’s not incognizant to what’s going on. He just sticks his licked finger in the air and decides what he can profit the most from. I say fine as long as he uses that wet finger to tank Barry. Period.

  • Guido

    Ole Bill was in fine form tonight. Completely wrong and he knew it, but still tried to win the debate by cranking up the volume to 10. Next guest told him “Watch out, ye who would be King”, and then he would not let anyone finish their point for the rest of the show.

    Didn’t the 3rd Reich make a list of gun owners?

  • I’m not a Racist; I don’t like Biden or Pelosi either

    #22 Stella:
    your point about the gov’ts inability to enforce regulations is well taken, but it does not in any way diminish the point that one of the “biggest megaphones” in the country is an ill-informed, lazy blowhard who, like most of his media cohorts, are destroying America.

  • Sage

    Actually, O’Reilly’s right on this one.

  • pyromancer76

    Fox is pathetic, not just O’Reilly. We need new institutions, especially new American media institutions. Let’s get on it and (hopefully) stop complaining. I hope “change” is possible. I feel bereft living without any investigative journalism. There is none any more except the blogosphere. Just a party line, and mostly that party line is marxist (or one-world elitist) of one sort or another — and unintelligent. Reading The Gateway Pundit + comments restores my faith each day. Thank you.

  • Daniel Harvey

    Bill was right on last night on mandatory sentences, etc…, but tonight he really jumped the shark. The Congressman was right as also mentioned above. We already have the laws on the book, the government just need to do follow-ups.

  • You’d think that someone that hangs out with Glenn Beck so much would learn at least A LITTLE about guns.

    That was so sad to watch. What a pinhead.

  • Bill

    O’Reilly is wrong on the amount of ammunition bought. Every source I’ve seen says 6,000 rounds but he repeatedly cites 60,000.

  • lizzy84

    O’Reilly went over the top and came off like a PINHEAD.

    related.
    interesting stuff….Holmes had $26,000 grant for studies
    {…}
    The program to which Holmes was accepted last fall admits just six students a year…..They undergo a background check but no mental examination. “No program requires psychiatric evaluation, to the best of my knowledge,”
    {…}
    Doctoral students receive free tuition, and most get federally sponsored 12-month grants of $26,000, about $500 a week. Holmes, who was not employed, bought an assault rifle, shotgun, two semiautomatic handguns and 6,000 rounds of ammunition in the months leading up to what police called a methodically planned shooting spree.
    {…}
    School officials repeatedly deflected questions about Holmes’ academic performance and details after he dropped out June 10, citing the ongoing criminal investigation into the case, but acknowledged it was unusual to quit.
    {..}
    Over the weeks before Holmes left, 90 packages containing ammunition and other items were shipped to the campus. Elliman said there was no way of knowing the volume or content of the shipments, which went directly to Holmes or to a campus mailroom. “We have thousands of packages that come here every day,” he said.

    link:http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-23/james-holmes-colorado-university-studies/56444742/1

  • 4N0NYM0U5

    If you want to purchase a Class III firearm (selective-fire, machine gun, suppressors, short-barrel shotgun, etc) the requirements are that
    – you are a US citizen
    – at least 21 yrs old
    – never declared mentally defective
    – never dishonorably discharged from the military
    – never convicted of a felony.

    If you meet those requirements, then you pay a one-time tax of $200 for each NFA device (except for an AOW, which is $5.). Fill out a Form 4 in duplicate, two sets of fingerprint cards, and one Form 5320.20/Certificate of Compliance. Then you must have your local Sheriff approve and sign off on the forms. If he give you the okay (it’s up to his discretion), you send these documents along with the check for the one-time tax to the BATFE and then wait about 6-9 months before you can actually pick up the purchase.

    O’Reilly does not have one god damn clue what the hell he is talking about. And did he seriously call a 7.62×39mm cartridge “heavy weapons”? (never mind that he made up that category)

    What’s sad is there’s way too many people that watch his show that don’t know any better and eat up this propaganda BS.

  • Patty
  • CV1

    The “bloviator” yelled the loudest, so Rep. Chaffetz wins the argument.

    When backed into a corner with the facts, O’Reilly does nothing but talk over his opponent. O’Reilly is a fool.

  • Dallis Miller

    Earth to SAGE,Earth to SAGE. REALLY!

  • Robert

    As #34 Bill notes, Corn-beef-head is way off on the amount of ammunition, and keeps hollering about 60,000 rounds when it was 6,000.

    He’s just as dumb as the morons who wrote about the guy’s mother when she said “Yes, you have the right person.” She was referring to herself, as the reporter had asked if she was the mother of James Holmes.

    And he’s just as dumb as Brian Ross and George Flopagopolus who said that another person with the same name who was in the Tea Party was the killer.

    Corn-beef-head was getting emotional like a lib, and then facts don’t matter and he can rudely and crudely yap with his big fat yapper louder than a member of Congress. All that matters is Corn-beef-head is on your side and looking out for you and wanting more laws for the government to protect you with until you can’t even breathe.

  • bg

    ++

    Bill #34 & Robert #40

    thanks for the 60 v 6 thou correction..

    ==

  • Jack

    6ooo is the number I keep hearing. But so what if it was 60,000? I wish I had that many rounds for my “heavy armament”.

    Oreilly not only showed is total ignorance on the subject but also drives home the consistent misinformation dished out by the media.

    As Rush says, “Don’t believe ANYTHING the media says”. And that would go for FOX too. Their constant 24/7 ad naseum reporting on these kinds of events is way over the top. Why don’t they go set up in Chicago in the ghetto and report on the murders happening there.

  • I’m not a Racist; I don’t like Biden or Pelosi either

    #42 Jack said:
    “Their constant 24/7 ad naseum reporting on these kinds of events is way over the top. Why don’t they go set up in Chicago in the ghetto and report on the murders happening there.”

    Good question. I suspect because it would involve, God forbid, doing some actual investigative reporting.

  • Eric

    This was painful….watching O’Reilly get point after point blatantly wrong. Everything from his complete ignorance on the federal NFA (and the items regulated by it)…..to his absurdly inflated claim of 60,000 rounds (it’s 6,000). I literally laughed out loud when he made the claim someone could buy a machine gun at a gun show without any kind of registration, BATFE transfer, or background check. I’m still trying to figure out why he’s including an AK47 (full or semi auto) in the discussion around Holmes. He used neither a machine gun, nor an ak47. The most asinine part is the idea that someone who booby trapped their house with dozens of home made grenades would somehow be stopped by firearms regulations.

    I don’t think Bill’s rant could have been more feckless if he tried.

  • Miles

    Wait a second…I read Holmes used a Smith and Wesson M&P 15, not an AK-47.

    And 60,000 rounds is stupid expensive and way too heavy to carry, even if it was 5.56mm or .223 caliber.

    Somebody help me with the rifle and ammunition count, please.

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  • thebronze

    BOR shows what a buffoon he really is…

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Quite interesting, and curious, for those who are curious, that BOR has turned out to be further to the left than FOX’s Allen Colmes.

    What happened, Bill?

    In exactly what way did “they” get to you and coerce you?

    Was it perversion? Was it cash money? Was it videos of your family from obviously covert positions in their own houses?

    One or more apply. I guarantee.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    He may not, as previously mentioned, be a “buffoon”.

    He may just be scared for the lives of his family.

    —-

    Because that’s where we are, now.

  • Keyser

    I can’t believe Oreily was so wrong about this. I bought an M4 and it took about 8 months to get all the paperwork and ATF checks.

    By the way, 60,000 rounds of .223/5.56 would be about $20million

  • Keyser

    ^ and that $20million would be with the bulk discount.

  • onbe

    Bill is a ignorant blow hard home everyone emails him and lets him know he is once again wrong.

  • Militant conservative

    Over this issue I stopped

    Watching BOR long ago.

    He does not believe in the

    Individual right to own a

    Firearm. I’m done he’s an

    ass. Ice Tea gets it why can’t

    BOR?!

    Powder is dry.

  • onbe

    By the way, 60,000 rounds of .223/5.56 would be about $20million
    ———————-

    No not really about 15 grand though.

  • Fuquay Steve

    Bill is just a bloomberg lackie.

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  • AvidChristian

    Sorry Keyser, but your math is off a bit…at a dollar per shell (actual cost is about .32 cents) 60,000 rds would only cost $60,000. Where I come from, most everybody I know owns 6,000+ rds of various caliber ammo. So what, Bill, they’re not terrorists, they’re prepared…

  • oldguy

    I still remember (with much fondness) Ann Coulter twice schooling O’Reilly that senator McCarthy had nothing to do with HUAC, as the senator was not a member of the House of Representatives.

  • Shutterbug

    With no viable alternative, I tuned into The Factor last night as I browsed on my iPad. o’Reilly is such a blowhard jackass. I was so offended by his verbal assault of Chaffetz and O’Reilly’s totally erroneous statements confidently shouted at Chaffetz that I searched O’Reilly’s e mail address and sent him an e mail telling him he didn’t know what he was talking about. Of course, I doubt o’Reilly cares about factual accuracy – just like other liberal elites. Going forward, I won’t tolerate his smug mug on my tv screen.

  • David E

    Wow! When Capt. Blowhard is losing an argument, he gets a little bit hysterical, doesn’t he?

  • Annoyed

    Stop watching. Why would you even have cable/satellite? Waist of money and time.

  • David E

    O’Reilly is rapidly losing it. Maybe he can comfort himself by inviting a few more semi-attractive blond wannabes to sit with him at the table. “Oh Bill, you’re such a stud . . . . “

  • Stella Baskomb

    #29 “. . . does not in any way diminish the point . . . ”

    But that’s not so much a “point” as an opinion. A whiny opinion at that.

    Facing up to matters of real substance is a lot more difficult than whining.

    And besides, all this pointless whining about O’Reilly is actually worse than pointless because – like so much in our public debate–it obscures real substance and diverts our attention from important things in favor of trivial things. There are so many examples, here’s another: Front pages covered with barking drivel about exactly when Romney left Bain, which push news of Iran’s continuing nuclear developments to the back pages.

  • Ella

    I believe O’Reilly had a drink before the show. Just enough to not slur, but to get just a bit too agitated.

  • dba…vagabond trader

    From what I read it was 6,000 rounds not 60,000 and he purchased them in smalerl increments. Lets not let facts get in the way of a smarter than thou Haaaarvard grad.

  • Teresa

    If you have the Fox business channel, Neil Cavuto has a show on in the time slot as BO. Much better program.

  • Noel

    How could Bill get it so wrong? “An AK? AN AK???” An AK47 round is ballistically weaker than most hunting rifles. It’s on a par with my 30-30. I found it amusing that the Senator was smiling, almost chuckling at Bill’s ignorance. Bill is part of the spin, and by spouting uneducated drivel, he’s definitely not looking out for us. Shame.

  • Skip

    Agree with #34 about the round count.

    I was horrified to see this. Et tu, O’Reilly?

    But the point Bill misses, despite the round count error is that NO ONE buys that many rounds at one time.

    To fulfill Bill’s ideas, the FBI would have to track EVERY ammunition purchase, and then aggregate them to make sure they wouldn’t go over a certain amount, over a certain period of time. *(This will seem eerily familiar to MO residents when buying pseudophedrine).

    No thanks, Bill.

    I’m writing a perspicacious email to The Factor.

  • Stopped watching this blowhard 3 yrs ago. FOX is becoming LSM. Still mourn Judge Napolitanos’ show being cancelled.

  • Virtually all of Fox’s commentators are Statists. There is a tremendous market for a news program that give a true conservative perspective. Fox just masquerades as such.

  • poetikus

    Bill would do well to read up a little on what the Founders had to say about the 2nd Amendment before becoming the left’s most avid cheerleader:
    http://caldwellscorner.com/blo

  • Prosoldier

    It doesn’t matter if you impose laws to the people who perpetrate these kinds of crimes. Last time I checked, it was illegal to shoot and kill a movie theater full of people. Did that stop this guy? In most places, possession and especially possession with intent to sell drugs was illegal. Does that stop people from buying, using, and selling drugs?

    You can’t legislate morality! If people are so inclined to break the law, they will find a way to do so. In the end, the only ones you are hurting are the ones who obey the laws and do what’s right.

    It doesn’t matter if this guy bought 6,000 rounds, 60,000 rounds, or 60 rounds. One round is enough to kill someone. Two or three boxes is enough to kill a lot of people, but it is still not going to be tracked. Would you want big brother monitoring your phone, your movements, where you shop, your family and friends, etc. if you are a gun enthusiast who likes to go to the range and hunt a lot? You can blow off 500 rounds at a gun club pretty fast, especially if you have a semi-auto or automatic weapon. Six thousand rounds may only last you a week at a gun club and buying in bulk saves a lot of money.

  • L.E. Liesner

    I watch that last night, and O’Reilly was talking about things he hasn’t the foggiest idea of them. He was saying that anybody could buy a machine gun and the government wouldn’t know about it. You have to have a license from the government to buy one. Where the hell does he think those background checks come from. He likes to say he deals only in facts, that is unless he’s spouting his trash.

  • stuart

    4nonymou5 # 36
    I have been to gun shows that sold full auto weapons, (subject to all of the BATF regs that you cited, of course) Besides the $200 tax, and considering that your money will be tied up for six months while BATF sits on your request, there is a further factor.
    Full auto weapons are hideously expensive. Want a BAR? Thats 20 grand. Want an M-16? Thats ten big ones, at least. Don’t even think about a vintage Thompson unless you have 50 to 60 grand. A friend of mine sold one of his to a Class III dealer a few years ago. The dealer coughed up 80 k for it. It’s not like your average street urchin or crazed killer is going to fork over that kind of dough.

  • Nelle

    I hope anyone who knows more than Bill O’Reilly about anything will force themselves to keep watching, as long as they’re willing to e-mail and call him on his errors. He’s thin-skinned and will take the deluge of angry mail personally, but he won’t pontificate on guns again soon. Not if he reads even half of the facts you all have presented right here. He’s not going to want to look this stupid, knowing how many in his audience have more knowlege in this area than he has.

  • HarpersFerry

    The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI) produced an interesting study on the reaction and lethality potential of ammunition exposed to fire. Basically it found (as expected) ammunition to be relatively harmless if discharged while not closely contained (as it is in the chamber of a firearm). It is common knowledge to experts that stored ammunition is relatively safe, no different from other combustible materials, and probably less lethal than highly flammable liquids such as gasoline. If you like to shoot, buying ammunition online makes a lot of sense. How many people do not have shoes or clothing they seldom wear because they happened to buy it for next to nothing on a seasonal sale (doesn’t everyone love a bargain)? Same with ammo, while you may not need 10 000 cartridges right now, if stored properly it has a long rack-life, especially military surplus ammunition. Besides, once a caliber becomes obsolete, finding ammo or components for reloading can be a real pain, why not just buy a few cases at a good price? Contrary to popular belief, a lot of people in this country are hooked on recreational shooting (can guns actually kill, heck I thought they were invented to punch holes in paper for recreational purposes). Fact is, I would rather spend my time reloading ammunition, than watching television. Obviously a humble guy like Bill O’ Reilly will never boast about military service, LOL, but I assume he hasn’t served, as is the case, I assume, with most liberal talking heads. If they did, they’d know you cannot carry on your person, much less concealed, a large amount of ammunition. Actual caliber will of course determine the physical size of cartridges, so your carrying capacity increases with reduction in size of the cartridges, but still. If we look at the issue of reduced capacity magazines – how does a reduced capacity magazine prevent a murderous psychopath from shooting someone? Is the killing of one innocent victim less of an atrocity than killing multiple innocent victims? Or maybe the determining factor is a person’s status, so the poor guy who gets his face chewed of by a human animal (perhaps motivated by “vampire culture” as presented by the so-called “entertainment industry”) is less important than the politician who gets shot in a crowd? Why do liberals,( and liberals in conservative camouflage like O’ Reilly) not see the simple and obvious truth; guns don’t kill people, people kill people? People talk about “gun culture” being a problem; what the heck is that? So the person who likes firearms and buys a lot of ammo is somehow connected to “gun culture” and thus considered dangerous? What about “sick audio-visual culture”, why is the fact that this murderer emulated the villain from the very movie he disrupted, completely overlooked by the liberal media? Is it perhaps because the sick liberal minds that conceive the absolute unadulterated trash portrayed in such movies, are the very people calling for more gun control? Someone with murderous intent will find a way to kill, and cannot be stopped by attempting to limit access to an object to use in the killing. To an individual with the knowledge, building a concealable explosive device, with lethality potential much higher than a squad of armed soldiers is not very difficult. If you have murderous intent, only your own imagination can limit the amount of damage you can do to a group of innocent, unsuspecting victims. If anything, given the circumstances, armed victims are more often than not able to contain damage in the event of a senseless and murderous act of lunacy perpetrated against a group of unsuspecting innocent victims. Why on earth would you want to limit their capacity to defend themselves? The bottom line is even the best trained professional soldier’s biggest enemy is the one who catches him by surprise. After all, where do you stop taking “dangerous weapons” away from people when, if all else fails, it is still possible to kill someone with your bare hands? Just take a peek at statistics regarding homicides in jail. Regardless of the security level, homicides occur in jails not because jails are filled with weapons, but because they are filled with murderous people. When all is said and done, actions are determined by attitudes, lack of respect and goodwill is more harmful to a society, than a warehouse full of firearms. If you don’t believe this, just compare videos of public behavior after hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, with public behavior in Japan after the Tsunami. So, Mr. O’ Reilly, your derogatory statements about people, your obvious disdain for anyone you do not consider your intellectual equal and your vanity are, in my humble view, a lot more dangerous to society, than my collection of firearms. Besides, the second amendment is aimed at preventing oppression of a nation by its leaders; if the president of your country is quoted as saying “if they bring a knife, I’ll bring a gun”, you should perhaps take it as good advice and hang on to your gun.

  • ChillytheAlaskan

    Bill O’Reilly is a liberal elitist douche. I was so outraged by his behavior and totally wrong assertions I fired off an email to him and urge all posting here to take a few minutes out and do the same. Don’t let him get away with this.

    From:
    Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:02 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Bill O’Reilly is a misinformed IGNORAMUS.

    Bill, it’s obvious to all gun owners that you know NOTHING about guns. Semi automatic firearms are NOT HEAVY weaponry. AK’s and AR’s are NOT powerful, and are designed to wound rather than kill. Why have you fallen for this anti- gun PROPAGANDA?

    Surely you know REGISTRATION if the first step in seizing our guns, and an INFRINGEMENT on this right. Why don’t you have Wayne LaPierre of the NRA on your show to INFORM you? Not for a two minute segment either. THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, it deserves at least TEN minutes of LISTENING…

    Why don’t you attack the anti-gunners as vehemently as you did the young congressman tonight. So Fox News has ordered you to move your stance to the left, hasn’t it. It’s apparent since they ran Glenn Beck out that has been what is going on there. You are no better than your counterparts at NBC, CNN, ABC and other propagandists. You are a sellout too.

    Senator Feinstein is wrong, more innocents would not have been killed if a citizen with a concealed carry license had been present in that GUN FREE ZONE, to defend themselves and others. This is what they have claimed from the start in opposition to concealed carry, that we would have MORE deaths and gunfights like in the old west. Fact is CRIME rate has fallen because criminals FEAR citizens might be armed and able to DEFEND themselves. Lets hear from EXPERT Proponents of our RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR arms… I’ve had my fill of the LIARS of the left, who blatantly lie distort the FACTS.

    The INTENTION of the Fast and Furious program was to MURDER innocent people and pick the weapons up at the site of the crime to USE TO JUSTIFY more attacks and restriction of our 2cd amendment RIGHT. This is not a privilege like driving, IT IS A RIGHT SPELLED OUT IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS. It states ” the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR arms SHALL not be INFRINGED…

    You want to do something to prevent horrific incidents like this from happening in the future? BAN GUN FREE ZONES. ALL these incidents happened in a GUN FREE ZONE. Funny, seems to me a gun free zone is an INFRINGEMENT on our right to defend our selves, and since these are the areas this type incident is happening, we first need to admit this danger and end GUN FREE ZONES. There could have been several concealed carry citizen there, many are ex military or retired L.E.O.’s and those with concealed carry permits have been found to be among THE MOST RESPONSIBLE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. Stop lying about an issue YOU know nothing, stop the leftist bias, or you are going to lose long time viewers like ME.

    Lastly, the second amendment does not “allow” us to have guns for hunting. It has NOTHING to do with hunting. It is the INDIVIDUALS right to self defense, AND to see our citizens remain armed as a deterrent to TYRANNY of government and to prevent the military and a tyrant from overthrowing our REPUBLIC. They have a FREE course on our constitution at Hillsdale College online, maybe YOU should consider taking it to find out the truth of what our founders INTENDED of our government? Then you could bloviate with some semblance of KNOWLEDGE on our RIGHTS you seem so quick to INFRINGE…

    name witheld on Gateway Pundit for privacy
    Ketchikan, Alaska
    Yesterday 65 MILLION American gun owners killed NO ONE.

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    “In God We Trust”

  • ChillytheAlaskan

    I have another idea. Lets start a campaign to BAN BODYGUARDS.

    Let’s start the NO BODYGUARD campaign today. Why should the rich demanding our second amendment right be INFRINGED if not entirely taken be ALLOWED to hire bodyguards? WHY should these bodyguards be ARMED? Senator Feinstein say’s a FIREFIGHT might break out and kill more innocent citizens! BAN ALL ARMED BODYGUARDS NOW!

    Another thought on this, THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to bodyguards or ARMED bodyguards. This is a privilege, unlike our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR arms! It’s time to BAN the privilege of the ULTRA RICH ELITISTS to hire ARMED THUGS, and place the ordinary citizens in danger of being wrongly and innocently killed when the FIREFIGHT breaks out. BAN ARMED THUGS POSING AS BODYGUARDS NOW! THE RICH ELITISTS CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES THE SAME WAY THEY EXPECT US TO.

  • Michael

    Bill is an idiot and the reason he doesn’t get any smarter is that he doesn’t shut his mouth long enough to hear the facts. Yes, you get a background check when you purchase from any vendor at a business or a gun show. Period! In PA you get a background check from the FBI AND the state police (PICS) at any business or a gun show, or you do the transfer person to person through an FFL.

    No, you will not have to pass a check for the ammo but it’s not “heavy” ammo. People are making up stupid terms to sensationalize their point of view.

    Now, if you want to hang on a FACT that you could potentially question, you would have to state that people can transfer person to person without a background check (long guns only). That would be the only way Bill could have had been making an accurate argument. I don’t care that people have different points of view but fact are fact and lies are lies. Bill was misinformed and came off as an idiot.

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  • Albaby

    It’s time for Bill O’Reilly to retire or join Keith Olbermann at Al Gores channel. When he is shown he is wrong,he gets loud and obnoxious and won’t let his opposition educate him. He shouts over them or stops the conversation. That’s why I don’t watch the arrogant, obnoxious old fool.

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