New Program Teaches Border Agents to Flee and Hide When Confronted

It’s an Obama world.
A new program is teaching US border agents to run, hide and call for help when they are confronted by a shooter.

(Raw Story)

Run for your life!
Conservative Observer reported this from the local 2544 website:

In another nauseating series of “Virtual Learning Center” brainwashing courses that Border Patrol agents are forced to sit behind a computer for hours and endure, we are now taught in an “Active Shooter” course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to “run away” and “hide”. If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become “aggressive” and “throw things” at him or her. We are then advised to “call law enforcement” and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered). Shooting incidents cited in the course are Columbine, the Giffords shooting and the Virginia Tech shooting.

These types of mandatory brainwashing courses and the idiocy that accompanies them are simply stunning when they are force-fed to law enforcement officers. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that any three of the above shootings would have been stopped cold by an off-duty law enforcement officer or a law abiding citizen with a gun. The Fort Hood shooting would have been stopped cold by someone with a gun as well. The shooters in these situations depend on unarmed and scared victims. It gives them the power they seek. We could go on and on with examples of shootings that could have been stopped by someone with a firearm. One of the videos in this course actually shows a terrified female hiding behind a desk as an example of how to “hide” from some deranged shooter.

Multiple quizzes throughout the course and a final test ensure repeatedly that we know that we only have three options when encountering some murderous thug in a public place. 1. Run away; 2. Hide; and 3. Only put up a fight as a last resort by acting aggressively and throwing things at the shooter. Not one mention anywhere of “if you are carrying a gun and you have the opportunity take the shooter out”.

Calling 911 in these instances is obvious, but we all know that waiting on the arrival of uniformed law enforcement will ensure more people are killed, injured, or taken hostage. Telling law enforcement officers that in all instances they are to run away and hide from some thug while innocent victims are butchered is simply inexcusable and pathetic.

Hat Tip Dave S.

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  • Clarice Bradwith

    We are ruled by wuzzies. Perhaps to these wimps the old slogan THESE COLORS DON’T RUN means little, but it still does to me.

    We must become MEN again.

    Teaching agents how to hide from the bad guys. Yikes!

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  • Joanne

    OT

    http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/06/vietnam-veterans-outraged-over-navy-christening-of-uss-jane-fonda/

    The USS Jane Fonda – WTH! Okay people, you can’t make up this insanity.

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  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Not one mention anywhere of “if you are carrying a gun and you have the opportunity take the shooter out”.

    Aren’t Border Patrol agents armed??

  • I can’t imagine this is a real active shooter response. Unarmed what do we do? We run and hide. We aren’t Jean Claude Van Damme. In real life the guy with the gun doesn’t have a long conversation with you justifying his evil acts, allowing you time to do a reverse spin kick that somehow is quicker than him pulling the trigger, he just shoots you in the noggin and moves on.

    In our training for active shooters, we are armed, formed in a small team and go hunting him down. I can’t say what the feds are babbling about, but the assumption is we are armed and attacking the shooter. The theory is if he is running from us and engaging us, he isn’t shooting innocent people. The theory also assumes we will cut safety protocols and some of us will get killed in the effort to pin the shooter down. Serious stuff and very sobering.

    It was developed as a direct result of shootings like Columbine where the police did follow procedures and were criticized for doing so.

    Also, as I said, I can’t speak for the feds. But we were reminded that engaging alone with a bad guy, depending on the threat level, does endanger civilians. If it is a robbery and the guy just wants money, let him have it. There was a case where an off duty cop shot a bad guy in a McDonalds when the guy jumped the counter and attacked the clerk. No shots were fired UNTIL the cop engaged. He caught the bad guy in the chest and head and killed him. He felt pretty good until he turned around and saw an eight year old girl with a hole HER head from the bad guy’s errant round.

    Did he have a choice? Should he have waited until the bad guy shot someone? Waited until he had one good head shot? He didn’t know, but he is scarred forever.

  • Nelle

    #3, that site is satire. Not very good satire, but it’s not serious.

  • My point is, the feds can train you to run, but cops know sometimes running isn’t an option. Screw the trainers who do what they are told, you do what you are told, and then in the real world, you do what you think is right at the time.

  • pink tie Republican

    This training coming to the Marines soon.

  • stuart

    Nelle #7 The web site may be satire, but it is indicative of just how screwed up this country’s government is that the story is believable. Twenty,- heck even four- years ago no one would have bought into it. It would have been regarded as a sick jest. Now?…

  • Adirondack Patriot

    Actually, Obama wanted them to BOW and then run and hide, but Janet Napolitano prevailed.

    They just need to run and hide.

  • scituate_tgr

    When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

  • Remco Kimber

    #12,

    The police ALWAYS show up on time,

    to draw the chalk lines,

  • Rachelle

    What can you expect with a gay president and as for Big Sis…pictures tell it all.

  • how dumbed down are we bg
  • Patty

    Police have had their hands tied for years. Kinder and gentler department. But rest assured they will shoot because they have a family to come home too.
    _______________________

    Read when you have the time.

    Nation of Cowards

    http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/cowards.html
    ____________________

    When top Obama administration officials like Eric Holder are stepping into the fray, you know this is beyond political. It’s all about this politically correct mindset and ideology that’s far too rampant among the political elites.

    Fast and Furious has been about gun controls. Once another border patrol is victim to an attack we will be seeing once again investigations and documents being covered up. But here is prove right here in the Title:

    New Program Teaches Border Agents to Flee and Hide When Confronted

    ____________________

    Meet the Radical DOJ Lawyers Suing Sheriff Joe
    PLEASE READ ABOUT THESE LAWYERS. IF IS BREATH TAKING
    {..}

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/05/10/meet-the-radical-doj-lawyers-suing-sheriff-joe/

  • Patty

    The Unarmed Life

    The liberal elite know that they are philosopher-kings. They know that the people simply cannot be trusted; that they are incapable of just and fair self-government; that left to their own devices, their society will be racist, sexist, homophobic, and inequitable — and the liberal elite know how to fix things. They are going to help us live the good and just life, even if they have to lie to us and force us to do it. And they detest those who stand in their way.

    http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/cowards.html

    Holder and Obama and Napolitano idea for America. Radicals turning the Police, Military, Border Patrol into liberals. No better words describe U.S. under the thumb of the progressives. And this is why this nation has become weak and we all are weary. We are mad as Hell but the only conclusion I see is VOTING THEM THE HELL OUT IN NOV.

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  • john

    This is what insane proggresive liberals have in store for all Americans. Run and hide. Got that Zimmerman, and any other trouble making pain in the butt citizens who think they have a right to defend their borders, much less themselves. I pray this country survives another 4 months under this evil, sniveling Armholes destroying this country at every level.

  • stjaustin

    Unbelievable! Maybe we should just lay down and get it over with.

  • chuck in st paul

    Hey, don’t forget to pee down your leg to show you are non-aggressive.

  • Texas_Treeroach

    Advise handed down from Monty Python’s Holy Grail: Run Away! Run Away!
    (Idiots)

  • TrickyDick

    Can we get local and state law enforcement to use these guideline. It wouldn’t take me but about 20 bank robberies and I would be set for life.

  • Granny

    #5 June 26, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Blacque Jacques Shellacque commented:

    Not one mention anywhere of “if you are carrying a gun and you have the opportunity take the shooter out”.

    Aren’t Border Patrol agents armed??
    ______

    Apparently only with bean bags these days. Really, if they are supposed to run away and hide and only have bean bag guns, then they really aren’t law enforcement officers and we might just as well fire them all and wipe out the entire Border Patrol department.

  • gastorgrab

    When confronted with lethal force, border agents SHOULD HAVE the option of calling in an air strike.

    Let the invaders run and hide.

  • Patty

    #23 June 26, 2012 at 1:04 pm
    TrickyDick commented:

    They are here!

  • Patty

    Spineless leaders refuse to hire people better than themselves. They feel threatened that star performers will show them for who they really are. Their practices weaken and demotivate. Ultimately this weakens the organization’s product or service.

    They hide behind, and manipulate self-appointed committees to get what they want. This mitigates the ramifications of the decision they want to make, and allows them to escape the responsibility for that decision.

    The decisions they do make seldom put stakeholders first. These stakeholders can be customers (a business leader), constituents (a politician), or students (a school administrator).

    They dodge the truth and avoid the tough decisions by asking questions – superficially seeking the opinions of followers. Too many “What do you think?” questions are nothing more than avoidance.

    They answer questions by beginning their response with, “That’s a good question.” This gives spineless leaders time to choreograph a political response that either fails to answer the question or does so in vague terms.

    Spineless leaders are accidental leaders, not intentional ones. And everyone knows it. The obvious question is “how do these cowards become the boss in the first place?” While one can attribute their rise to political shrewdness, the frightening answer is that someone bought into their “smoke and mirrors” and promoted them into a leadership position.

    Spineless leaders hire spineless leaders and create a slithering chain of command that is difficult to break. Sadly, in the case “close to home,” that person remains at the top of the heap.

    http://theleaderlab.org/2012/05/five-signs-of-a-spineless-leader/

  • Paddy

    Obama surrenders to the Mexican drug cartels. It is a policy that induces cowardice from the coward-in-chief.

  • how dumbed down are we bg

    ++

    Patty #27 June 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    “We are living a moment that may be
    similar to (Adolf) Hitler’s rise to power.”

    when foreigners can see what is happening to US a lot clearer than
    Congress and the MSM et al are, that tells me they are deliberately
    deceiving “we the people”.. *sigh*

    oh yeah, in case this was overlooked.. /s/

    June 25, 2012

    Look who’s tied to new Muslim Brotherhood president

    unfortunately (#28), no surprise (#23)..

    ==

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  • shibumi

    “And Brave Sir Border Patrol Agent Ran Away, he Ran Away…”

    Yep. We’ve now turned into a Monty Python movie.

  • havok

    This is the 1st implementation of this tactic.. next the Obama decimated Military will be instructed to retreat and hide when fired upon.

    It’s bad enough that our guys are armed with Bean Bag guns..and the Drug cartels are armed by obama and holder with semi-Automatic weapons.

  • Lyle

    Response to Archer 52: Unarmed, what do we do? You asked, then went on to recommend a run & hide philosophy equivalent to throwing yourself on the mercy of the gun toting, murderous, asshat trying to kill people.

    Well, I say there is something we can do, first we might consider arming ourselves, second -regardless of being armed or not- we can fight back.!!!

    In every Active Shooter scenario there is one constant…the shooter does not wish to be confronted, that’s why he has a gun you idiot!!

    At Columbine, despite the police withdrawal, Klebold and Harris almost immediately killed themselves. A Virginia Tech an unarmed ROTC student almost was able to overpower the shooter, and if everyone else was not hiding under their desks, they might have helped him and saved themselves.

    The most pathetic thing about the rabid Muslim clown (Hassan) shooting unarmed soldiers down at Fort Hood was all the soldiers ran and hid trying to avoid the wild eyed Koran thumper waving his gun around and killing their brothers and sisters right in front of their ‘warrior’ eyes.

    Want to know the SECOND most pathetic thing about the Ft. Hood shootings.? The two police officers who finally shot the Islamists were then fired due to ‘budget cuts’ by your favorite president.

    This run & hide philosophy is hogwash, regroup & fight would be a better lesson.

    We are doomed.

  • This is the price paid for enough Americans to get sucked in by the Chicago Jesus and his merry band of social political mercenaries in 2008.

    But On The Way is…

    The Great Political Purge of 2013 as the T Party yanks the reigns of power from their gnarled claws and calmly says…. “boo”

    Like the roaches they are, they will Flee with PTSD.

  • toongoon

    Then, when law enforcement (who have also gone through their “Hide in Fear” classes), they can all throw things at the shooter.

    Remember, Obama armed the Mexicans gangs and took away the Border Patrol guns.

    He wants us to emulate the French.

  • Redwine

    Making sure the 2nd Amendment is not destroyed by this treasonous anti-American regime should be absolutely paramount. Without the citizen’s rightful, active participation in being armed, preferably with a concealed carry license, we will become a nation of sheep herded by a lawless, dictatorial regime.

    Scofflaw Holder actually wanted to “brainwash” [his word] Americans into accepting gun control. Holder’s early, consistent, and strident enthusiasm for gun control legislation. He wanted schools to talk about anti-gun propaganda “every day, every school, and every level.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/19/Holders-Brainwashing-Against-Guns-Foreshadowed-Operation-Fast-and-Furious

    WE WILL NOT COMPLY!!!

  • John Reynolds

    The few Boarder patrol agents that I have met over the years won’t even give that carp a second look . A lot of the officers are ex military

  • How gay. Coming soon to the U.S. military, run and hide and beg for mercy.

  • democraps suck

    Sorry…shoot first…ask questions later…

  • Lyle,

    Obviously you’ve not had the disadvantage of being at gunpoint. Running and hiding isn’t running and hiding to quit, it is to get away from getting killed that second so you can regroup and find a way to deal with it. Being a dead “hero” solves nothing.

    Now if you have no retreat, no safe place to get organized and return to fight, then yes you jump the guy and hope the trauma unit at your local hospital is up to snuff.

    It all depends on ability to react. I had a female with a knife attack me and another officer without warning at a domestic in my second year on the job. The other officer was turned away, not paying attention and smoking a cigarette. I saw her lunge at the knife, pick it up and then lunge at him and me. I was able to step in between, grab the knife hand (no time for gun) and hip toss her onto the cement garage floor.

    The look on the other officer’s face could be described as “WTF!”.

    Given another option of creating distance, I would have. She was drunk, pissed and crazy (a bad combo for a woman!). I got lucky on the grab as she swung around.

    I’ve also been in a situation where the gun pointed at me misfired because the dumbass short stroked it when racking the round. I saw it all happen in slow motion. We didn’t run. We took off, turned around and then re-engaged. He was high and didn’t realize we were cops (we were in plainclothes). Lucky for him, I thought the gun was fake at first. Only after disarming him did I realize what happened.

    It isn’t as easy as TV or the movies make it. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you get caught.

    Oh and I never assume the gun toting ass has mercy. I have none for him and given the chance will end his life. I just won’t give up mine stupidly.

    If you want to, knock yourself out.

  • Freddy

    ?????

    Let me get this strait. If your a border patrol agent in AZ and an illegal is shooting at you, you are supposed to call the police who cannot even ask if it is an illegal?

    And this is AFTER you refused to help that Az policeman in the first place.

    I hope the citizens of Az are all armed to the teeth as there is no one left to protect them!!

  • J. Knight

    Cm’on now, we don’t want the Border Patrol to shoot any of those honor students crossing back and forth over the border. They can’t help it if those drug runners mix in with them. You people need to try to understand that honor students just need to be here 5 years out of 30 to qualify for Obama’s program. Yep, they grew up here and know nothing else, even if they did spend 25 of their 30 years in Mexico. You can’t make this stuff up.

  • Joanne

    Okay, when confronted with a shooter, you are suppose to run, hide, or throw stuff at them? WTH! Shoot the b*stard! How far does it get a person who runs away from someone with a gun shooting at you – a bullet in the back is what you will get. Okay, this is just the all to end all.

  • Daisy

    wtf? Since when did we become a nation of such wusses? This is ridiculously outrageous. Run and hide from bullets and “throw things” at the aggressor, yeah that will work/sarc.

  • if a “kinder, gentler ” country we live in. kumbaya.

  • Minty

    When someone is shooting at you, fleeing to cover is a good first step. Calling for backup would be next. Returning fire is at best a distant third for anyone who is not a retard enthralled by some adolescent power fantasy.

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  • Sasja

    When someone is shooting at you, you shoot back.

    Arizona is now an open border state thanks to the Evil One. Hope it’s citizens are armed to the teeth because I suspect they are going to be seeing alot more criminals crossing over from Mexico.

  • Kissmygrits

    Do these agents get to carry real bullets or are they equipped the same as Barney Fyfe? The Won instituted a don’t shoot at the enemy and we’ll give you a medal in Iraq and Afghan, too. We want to make friends out of those who would like to shoot and behead us.

  • UpChuck.Liberals

    Come under fire…call air support, let God sort it out. We are in a friggin’ WAR and our Clown in Chief has surrendered just so he gets good tee times and Moochelle can take nice vacations.

  • xiphos

    But wait, didn’t Homeland Security(?) recently order millions of rounds of ammo?
    For what purpose? Hmmm

  • Joanne

    ‘Shooter’ implies a person has a gun and is shooting. What is so wrong with shooting a person shooting at you? So is it because Obama doesn’t want you shooting border crossers with guns or is it because Obama wants you shot……or both.

    Look, you have a real nutjob in the Whitehouse. Isn’t this obvious that Obama has some real sanity issues? Isn’t there anyone with a real brain and a big mouth to point this out to the American people. I just can’t stand it.

  • UpChuck.Liberals

    @ #48 I LOVE AZ, Want an EVIL BLACK gun, go buy it. Unlike the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia where spit wads are illegal. The police are there just to write up the after action report.

  • Rose

    GREAT NEWS for the CRIMINALS. They always love it when “cops” run and hide from them!

    Shows us all whose side Odrama Queen is really on! AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!

    The sleeping stupified respond by drooling in their sleep.

  • Lyle

    Archer-52:

    Always enjoy reading someone’s self congratulatory resume’, fightin’ crime and saving the day and all. So I will spare you mine, but suffice it to say your SECOND letter was better than the first, which made you sound like a highly ‘trained’ CBP agent ready for anything that can be handled with a government issue Bean-Bag Gun.

    Lyle

  • GoodAsAlwaysWins

    This is all part of the marxists/socialists/communists big scheme. The communists DISARMED the Police and Military of each country prior to taking over Romania and the other soviet bloc countries right after WWII.

    They are using the EXACT same tactics. Read the book Tortured for Christ by Richard Wurmbrand who was held in a communist prison in Romania for years.

    This book will give you a first hand look at all of their insane/devious strategies and how evil these marxists/communists/socialists really are. But first before each takeover they ALWAYS disarmed the police, military, and then the people. Of course with all kinds of lies and accusations, etc.!

    All of this right now they are throwing at us is just their propaganda, THEY do not believe any of this, but they want us to believe they really believe this. It is a lie. It is just the means that they believe will produce their evil results.

    The agenda has never changed for these nutballs, but the citizens here are going to have to fight and know that everything they are throwing at us is just for distraction. Let them call us whatever names they try, don’t be moved, it is just another distraction. When they realize we and everyone else really know what their agenda is , then it will be over.

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  • Bob

    Why should our agents ever try to do anything???? Just open all the borders and let every one in to this country who wants to come in, that what “Hi Royal Majesty King Obama” wants

  • well I have to say congraulations to the corp. code enforcer,who saved Mc Donals cash from the bad robber,and caused a 9 year old little girl to take a bullet in the head,but Iam sure her parents forgave him because he saved Mc donals cash from being stolen……….AND from what I’ve seen this killing of children,is a nation wide thing now days…and the lord said “you rather have a milling stone a round your neck and be cast into the ocean,compared to what I will do to you if you harm one of my little ones” BOY,IT sure is a good thing the american people are stupid,other wise they would put a stop to this before the whole country is destroyed..”so hows letting a bunch of fagots run your country going for you anyway ??????and your military says” THE BIBLE” has got to be “banded” because its a threat to national securely,haha stupid,haha stupid,hahaha stupid……………….

  • Bill

    this is totally insane and the government should be held liable for any citizen deaths due to there disregard of public safety. people in the governmentneed to go to jail, if not there will be a revolt in the nation and you people in government will be the ones to be called on the carpet for sedition and treason along with all government workers who took bad orders and obeyed them.

  • Kudos Mr. Hoft:

    I have trained US law enforcement for decades and found that the border patrol agents are the bravest that I have ever met.

    In addition to votes for the democrats, dozens of entities profit from leaving the border open:
    Government bureaucracies: Employ thousands babysitting illegals
    Churches: Benefit from adherents
    Charities: Benefit from grants
    Attorneys: Make a fortune representing illegals.
    School districts are compensated handsomely for each and every illegal pupil.

    All of these entities have powerful lobby’s who are influential in keeping an open border.

    Be aware and be prepared.

    Right on Mr. Hoft – WRITE ON!

    Respectfully, [email protected] / Content editor

  • blagostwin

    You are to beg the armed criminal for mercy and hand over anything they want, in addition allowing the assailant to continue on about his business. Go back to headquarters and log it all in.

  • Emperor Charlemange

    Where are real men would will take up the sword and shield, mount horses, and ride to fight heretics and Mohammedans, and slay all of them?

    In this generation and in this place, I can find no men worthy of this task. Men are effeminized, and there are no real men left at the helm.

    There is a White Castle, but there is an Ape occupying it only as a Pretender.

  • Banderman

    Never, ever, ever send a former community organizer to do a President’s job. His shoulders will prove much too narrow for such an important position.

  • John West

    The pussification of America continues unabated.

    When you American fagots stop putting up with your woos governments and take your country back? Eh?

  • Glenn

    What the bloody hell? This sounds like a guide for what to do in an encounter with a bear. Except that isn’t so accurate since running and hiding from a bear isn’t the best idea. Neither is it a good idea that which is illustrated in the above article. Unbelievable what some folks will think of as good implementation of thought.

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  • How about some non-lethal weapons like highly viscuous non-poisonous glue guns (hand sized globs for the face are less harmful than pepper spray or chemical spray, with beach ball sized globs that can be aimed at the legs), net guns or other non-lethal stuff. To capture alive your assailant shooters will be a sign of skill. Tasers btw are almost a death sentence. Conversely, the same non-lethality is also recommended to criminals who don’t need to murder.

    This form of urban de-escalation should be backed with some method of getting back at people attacking, with dangerous weapons WITH the reasons of criminality in mind – wealth distribution and sequestration, extreme Capitalism without controls that lead to ‘Occupy’ or street riots.

    Meanwhile use of hand to hand martial arts by fit and healthy enforcement etc.. should be the main paradigm. Rather than the fat pig cops shooting back lethal weapons (Obama got this one right, no more lethal arms or trigger happy attitudes) from a range, we could have the above disabling weapons or highly skilled types hand to hand. This is not Matrix inspired but pain is REAL and unnecessary if the boffins would develop ‘Sticky Bullets and Mortars’ (have fun with the innuendo) . . . so even people getting ribber would just need a shower rather than being killed.

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  • Tactical

    Looks like somebody, either the writer or the editor, needs to do their home work because this story is just plain wrong and could get somebody hurt. This article is talking about a civilian not Border Patrol. First of all we are talking about the same Border Patrol that will shoot you if you throw a rock at them. Huge rocks folks not pebbles, not skipping stone rocks, more like baseball size rocks. The same Border Patrol that killed that young and “outstanding” young man that was going to be a doctor in El Paso that was throwing rocks at the Agent. Or maybe the same Border Patrol who shot a drug trafficker in the a$$ and resulted in them going to prison for it. Ok let me explain where this writer or editor failed to do. First they don’t run and hide its call a “Tactical Bound Back” or a “Retreat and Re-Group”. Depends on the Agency, they may have different names. Basically theres no kicking doors and taking names. Why? Because you might be taking and innocent bystander like a five year old or somebodies mom or dad and the list goes on. They are taught to stop a threat. STOP, you see how I didn’t mention to kill, but if the result is death well that unfortunate and comes with the dangerous job. All they are doing is accessing the best way to stop the threat and minimize any casualties. You have to realize that this applies to all Law Enforcement Agencies, Federal or State. You are responsible for every round that you send down range. “You” not the bad guy. So if you really think that a Border Patrol Agent is going to run and hide and you are willing to stake your life on this article, you are going to find your self on the wrong end of the barrel and you are going to be DEAD wrong. I think the writer/editor is confused because this is taught by all branches of the military, NOT Border Patrol. Before writing an article for the world to read, review your facts and sources because this is completely inaccurate. For those that posted and believe this article to be valid must understand that not everything is true or factual on the internet or what you read on the web. Do your research first before you make any judgments.

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