Figures. Big Sis Warned Us About Suspicious Men in Hoodies!

It figures.
Trayvon Martin was reportedly targeted by community watchman George Zimmerman because he was wearing a hoodie.

So how did Zimmerman ever get the idea that someone in a hoodie might be suspicious?
From the Obama Administration, of course.

Last March Homeland Security released the controversial video, “If You See Something, Say Something (TM)”.
In the video the bad guys planting bombs… wear hoodies.

Hat Tip Ed

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  • ebayer

    Good job Ed!

  • bg

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    excellent 911 tape recording

    ht Patty

    Evidence that Trayvon Martin Doubled Back

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  • Joanne

    A forsensic expert is stating that the calls for help heard on the 911 call were not Zimmerman’s.

  • bigkahuna

    I always knew that Skank was a racist lipstick wearing pig…. Typical Obama adminsitration official. Racist, tax cheat, socialist, commie, race baitor, thief, scumbag, secretive, liar, slimeball. I think that covers most of them but Im sure I missed a few

    Not to mention they have Moochelle the Leech in chief .

  • el polacko

    as more evidence of how this story is media-driven, this whole hoodie meme originated with geraldo’s much-maligned yet accurate observation that skulking about, dressed like a thug, has the potential to attract trouble. it was after this comment that, suddenly, the clothing description made in zimmerman’s 911 call became an ‘issue’. the idiots marching around, and appearing on the floor of congress, in the hoodies are responding to geraldo rivera, not george zimmerman.

  • Yes, but were they carrying Skittles?

  • bigkahuna

    Sorry Barry is Leech in Chief.

    Moochelle is the First Leech !

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  • lizzy84

    Denninger on the case:

    { }
    As I have repeatedly said in the Martin/Zimmerman case, and will continue to, there is one, and only one, issue with regard to whether Mr. Zimmerman should be charged and prosecuted.

    It does not matter whether Zimmerman called the cops 47 times in the last year.
    It does not matter if Zimmerman is or not a racist.
    It does not matter if Martin is or is not a thug.
    It does not matter if the two of them had words.
    It does not matter who pursued who (and check the timeline on this one; it’s interesting.)
    It does not matter if Martin was challenged by Zimmerman.
    It does not even matter if they got into a fistfight over their words.

    What matters is this, and only this:

    At the time Zimmerman shot Martin, was he or was he not pinned on the ground and being repeatedly assaulted by Martin such that he had a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily injury?

    If the answer is “Yes” then the shoot is good and everything else is immaterial.

    If the answer is “No” then, and only then, can one look at any of the above otherwise-immaterial factors, as the shooting is not justified.

    It appears that while in this specific case the people may not yet be waking up, in the general case they already have, and are rejecting the faux “news” that the media invents and tries to use to attempt to disarm the people and deprive them of their unalienable rights, just as was done in Germany prior to Kristallnacht.

    Spot on, sir!

    more here:
    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=204179

  • Monkey Wrench

    #9

    I mostly agree with you. But I have one question.

    What if some guy who is wearing a gun on his hip comes up and picks a fight with you? He’s bigger than you and thinks he can take you without the gun. You try to avoid the fight, but he doesn’t let you and he even throws the first punch. Then it turns out that you are a better fighter and you get the best of him. At what point is the guy with the gun allowed to shoot you?

  • bg
  • bg

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    Monkey Wrench #10 April 1, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    just listen to the unedited 911 tape..

    also note he never says f’ing coons either..

    damn media (fitb)..

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  • Rock

    Monkey Wrench #10

    OK, now your the guy on the bottom whats your solution. Also understand it pretty obvious at this point Pravda version of events have been edited to fit the narrative.

  • Rock

    Big Sis Warned Us About Suspicious Men in Hoodies!
    ……………………………………………………………….

    Someone quick, tell Sharpton big Sis is a Raciest.

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  • lizzy84

    @#10
    Monkey Wrench–

    .. I believe that most States provide that a person who is the initial aggressor in an altercation may not avail themselves of a self defense argument. Under the scenario you posit, since the person with the gun started the fight, use of the gun is unjustified, even if he’s losing.The problem is, of course, determining factually, who is the initial aggressor.

  • bg

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    re: #11 April 1, 2012 at 3:50 pm bg

    Second witness confirms Trayvon was attacker

    [In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told
    police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman’s description lying
    on the grass moaning and crying for help
    just seconds before
    he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.]

    ==

  • Monkey Wrench

    Yeah, bg.

    I saw that website you posted on the other thread. Lots of good info. Good stuff.

    I don’t have an opinion on whether Zimmerman committed a crime. The prosecutor and/or grand jury will decide if he should be charged. If he’s charged, a jury will decide if he’s guilty.

    And for the record, I think Sharpton and Jackson are contemptible. At this point Zimmerman is an innocent man. He hasn’t even been charged with a crime, but they’ve already concluded that he is guilty. That’s wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves.

    And what is worse, they are exciting the local population to feel like a great injustice is taking place. If someone gets hurt, they bear some of the responsibility. They probably aren’t legally responsible, but they are morally responsible.

  • Rock

    lizzy84 #16

    True, on all points, unfortunately the media is doing everything possible to muddy the waters and contaminate the jury pool.

  • wanumba

    With NBC presenting a false account of the dispatcher conversation, this was deliberately misleading the public in a way that is harmful and prejudicial against Zimmerman.

    ABC overlaid their logo over Zimmerman’s head to confound viewing his head for possible evidence of wounds.

    I hope Zimmerman takes these filthy liars, and he rest of the lynch-media gang to court. They are trying to get him killed by mob.

  • Monkey Wrench

    #13

    So I’m the guy with the gun that picked the fight and now I’m getting beat up? My question was what am I legally allowed to do? According to lizzy84 (#16) I’m probably not legally allowed to pull out my gun and shoot the other guy. And I guess it makes sense.

    I have no idea how Pravda found out about this fight.

  • wanumba

    #3 April 1, 2012 at 2:18 pm
    Joanne commented:
    A forsensic expert is stating that the calls for help heard on the 911 call were not Zimmerman’s
    ::::::::::::::::::::::

    How is that believeable? Over a phone line? With rain noise, too?

  • wanumba

    The big appeal of hoodies IS being able to HIDE one’s face, especially from security cameras.

  • bg

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    Monkey Wrench #18 April 1, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    i concur..

    however, he’s already been tried and convicted
    via Obama & Black Panthers via the MSM et al..

    Sharpton & Jackson are finally facing some blowbacjk from Blacks.. ergo, they may not get away with inciting violence as easily as they have in the past..

    i am all for the facts, no ifs, ands, or buts about
    it, speaking for themselves, thankyouverymuch..

    more on Al et al here..

    ==

  • Rock

    Monkey Wrench #21

    Liz #16 was right on the money, my point was simple we do not know what happen that night and suggesting Zimmerman was wrong falls into the medias (becoming more like Pravda with each week) attempt to control the narrative. My question is still are you going to allow someone to beat you senseless, and become a another statistic, or will you try and survive?

  • bg

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    wanumba #22 April 1, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    a funny thing happened reviewing the facts:

    Zimmerman did not say “f*ing coons (CNN tape experts said he did..
    i mean, how could one miss it, it was painfully, precisely EDITED that
    way)..

    not only that, but lo & behold:

    2, not 1, but two eyewitnesses say Zimmerman
    was doing the screaming, Martin, the attacking,
    go figure..

    doesn’t matter how many times they change their story, or repeat their
    audacious lies, the facts of the matter have not only been corroborated,
    but have remained consistent from the get go..

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  • Monkey Wrench

    #25

    If your curious about what I would do, I would probably use the gun if I thought I was about to die. Most people would. But it sounds like I would end up in jail for at least manslaughter.

    I’m not suggesting Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. We don’t have real facts, just news accounts. Stories often change in a courtroom when people have to testify under oath and are subjected to detailed questioning and cross examination. The police may have additional facts that they have not released to the press.

    But I do think Zimmerman used bad judgement when he left his vehicle. He was safe in his car and should have stayed there until the police arrived. No crime would have been committed and no one would have died.

  • Rock

    Monkey Wrench #27

    You seem intent is painting Zimmerman as being in the wrong even though you admit none of us know the facts. “The police may have additional facts that they have not released to the press.” your words, and we all know they let him go after taking him in. The argument here is simple let the professionals make the call, not those with an agenda IE those on the Left, and the race baiters like Sharpton and others. ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and the rest are looking for air time and circulation $$$$ and helping give WTF cover, truth is no longer a part of their agenda.
    End of day most here do not have all the facts, but we are acutely aware someone most speak for the other side least the Left controls the story.

  • bg

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    Monkey Wrench #27 April 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    oh, so he’s guilty of checking out & reporting on
    a suspicious character in his neighborhood?? :roll:

    with a spate of breakins & robberies in his neighborhood of late, if only
    he had kept on going, i mean, who knows, perhaps Martin was scouting
    to do harm, and someone else perhpas wind up dead, perp unknown,
    care to speculate on that??

    rhetorical, speculation strays from facts, and
    in the end, is unanswerable crap anyways..

    ==

  • Monkey Wrench

    #28
    The additional facts that the police “may” have might indicate that Zimmerman is innocent of a crime. And stories may change in the courtroom in Zimmerman’s favor. I am clearly stating that I have no idea if Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. I don’t know and neither do you. If I was forced to place a bet right now as to whether Zimmerman will be found guilt of a crime, I’d have to flip a coin.

    I’m simply saying that he used bad judgement when he left his car. Using bad judgement is not a crime. Otherwise we would all go to jail.

  • Rock

    Without knowing all the facts how can you claim he used bad judgement? Please stop trying to paint the man as flawed without knowing all the facts. WTF tried that and ended up looking like a fool.

  • Monkey Wrench

    #29

    Of course not. Checking out & reporting on someone he felt was suspicious in his neighborhood is not a crime. Guilt and innocence don’t apply.

  • Monkey Wrench

    #31

    We do know that he ended up getting in a fight and someone died. And look at the mess he’s in now. I bet right now he wishes he would have stayed in the car.

    Why not just remain in the car and wait for the police? Or why not drive away and leave the area? There was a teenager all by himself, on foot. The police had been notified and were on their way. There was no actual crime in progress.

  • Rock

    There was no actual crime in progress.
    …………………………………………………………….

    Without all the facts you know that how? Oh I forgot the new American Pravda has implied as much. cheez!

  • democraps suck

    Wear a hoodie DIE in a hoodie…he WAS A GHETTO THUG…why didn’t he just stop and talk and hold a NORMAL conversation…NOPE had to be a thug…thought he was a BIG BOY…

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Patty

    bg

    lizzy84

    Every link on this page needs to have it’s target page saved onto your hard-drives (rightclick in an empty area on the page, select “save as html….html only or full”)

    Some pages are disappearing (or being “disappeared”, IYKWIM):

    I think Patty posted this yesterday, a link to a blog (The Crescat) on the same server that The Anchoress uses. GONE. Error 503 Service unavailable.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat/2012/03/trayvon-martin%E2%84%A2-irony-and-abortion.html

    It was good, and I bookmarked it. The whole blog is gone, yet the main Pathos server is still up. Creepy — and I hadn’t finished digesting it.
    —-

    We have big hard-drives.

    If we want to be Breitbart — we HAVE to not only bookmark pages that are important — we need to SAVE these pages to our drives — which is so easy it’s not funny.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    PaTHEos, I mean.

    Whole different meaning with that typo!

  • Monkey Wrench

    #34

    Okay, I’ll concede that point. Maybe Zimmerman witnessed a serious crime in progress and he got out of the car to stop it. Maybe this kid was breaking into someone’s home and Zimmerman stopped him. If that turns out to be the case, I’m wrong and Zimmerman exercised good judgement. He’d be a real hero in that case.

  • lizzy84

    #19
    @Rock-
    Exactly…you’d think that in this day and age, those who have already convicted Zimmerman in their minds would take a step back and reflect on whether, in fact, they are exhibiting a lynch mob mentality so abhorrent to all of us. Have we learned nothing?? Self righteous calls for ‘justice’ without a complete knowledge of all facts is deplorable. We need someone who has courage enough to tell this mob to take their rope and go home until the investigation is complete and whether or not there is sufficient evidence to prove guilt…beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT. The mob may not like that convicting someone beyond a reasonable doubt is a protection that our Founding Fathers intentionally made very hard to do but thank GOD that is the majesty of the Law.

  • Patty

    Someone walking in the wee hours of the morning down the street in a hoodie, whether they are white or black, and remember, it is hard for a cop to tell whether they are white or black. Some even have their hands in their pockets. I will get back and tell you whether a cop would try to stop this person just for being in a Hoodie, but I am sure they would keep a watchful eye on this person.

    In the Zimmerman and Martin case, Zimmerman had to be close enough to see if the person he was suspiciously of was black.

    We asked he reportedly, “Black” and being a part of neighborhood watch, I feel confident that it didn’t matter the color of the skin. Zimmerman was just trying to do his job, then what transpired is up to the investigators.

    I do believe there will be discussions on many aspects that were right and that were wrong in this case. Democrats and Republicans alike vote for “Stand Your Ground” law and don’t believe what democrats say, they had too.

  • Monkey Wrench

    #39

    I agree also. I’m sometimes sympathetic to people protesting that someone is innocent. But I really hate the idea of people protesting to convince the government to prosecute someone. That is especially true when the person is a private citizen.

  • squeaky

    [The men allegedly yelled racial slurs at him like “tree honkey” and “cracker,” then brutally attacked him.]
    http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/suspects-seneca-attack-charged-with-lynching-hate-crimes-charge-possible

  • Patty

    Someone in a Neighborhood watch does not racially profile, because if they do they wouldn’t be in a neighborhood watch.

    They have training and the cops are the instructors. Back to the hoodie, the cop who sees a suspicious person, hoodie or not will stop that person on those grounds alone.

    But, Zimmerman who loved his job, had to have stopped pursuing Martin, if not then there would be some grounds to charge him on. No obeying an officer’s orders.

  • Rock

    #34
    All sarcasm aside until this plays out in court none of us will know the truth. But without question determining ones guilt in the media is not what justice is about, threats of boycotts, and civil disobedience edge on by irresponsible media conduct does an injustice to the victim, perp, and the nation, and we will have to depend on the legal system to make clear who is what in this case. But as long as the media attacks one then I will assume politics and an agenda are the real threats.

  • Patty

    HOODIE APPEAL

    Mr Cameron will say teenagers who hide under hooded tops are trying to “blend in” rather than appear threatening.

    In a speech on Monday he will describe them as “a response to a problem, not a problem itself”.

    And he will argue that while teenage criminals must be punished, they should also be shown “a lot more love”.

    Hooded tops have come to be viewed by some as a symbol of social disorder.

    In a dangerous environment the best thing to do is keep your head down, blend in
    David Cameron

    Last year the Bluewater shopping centre in Kent banned people wearing hooded tops, and said youths were using the hoods to shield their faces from CCTV cameras while committing crimes.

    “We – the people in suits – often see hoodies as aggressive, the uniform of a rebel army of young gangsters,” the Tory leader is expected to say.

    “But hoodies are more defensive than offensive. They’re a way to stay invisible in the street. In a dangerous environment the best thing to do is keep your head down, blend in.”

    Mr Cameron will say that, for some people, “the hoodie represents all that’s wrong about youth culture in Britain today”.

    However, he will go on: “For me, adult society’s response to the hoodie shows how far we are from finding the long-term answers to put things right.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_politics/5162010.stm

    there’s much more @link

    Why was Martin out so late. In the picture that was first shown to America by the Left media was a 14 year old or younger. Where were his parents then. Seriously, why would Obama step in, he had no idea Martin was 17 years old and exhibited middle finger and F the Biotches in his tweets.

    Does this administration FACT CHECK! I say NO

  • Patty

    “I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren’t flat, had a bump on them,” the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.

    He described where the injuries were.

    “I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen,” he said.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/01/witness-backs-up-zimmerman-neighbor-says-he-saw-zimmerman-banged-up-big-bandages-on-swollen-nose-night-of-shooting/

    MUCH MORE @LINK

  • Patty

    http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/koma-comic-strip-untitled.jpg

    now this is creepy. Our kids, some want attention but the attention they want may get them killed. Sad. They see movies and videos and relate, those with insecurities that is, those who don’t know the difference between reality and pretense.

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  • Patty

    Neighborhood Watch is a network of concerned citizens working with their local law enforcement agency to keep their community safe.

    How the program works: When you are away at work, shopping, or on vacation your neighbors are still around. Taking advantage of this valuable resource, your community, the neighbors watch out for one another. When there is a car parked in your driveway, and your neighbor knows you have just left home for the day, they call the Police Department to investigate. Neighborhood watch as a program brings the community back to watching out for one another.

    On the occasion that there was a serious police situation that may affect the neighborhood, the Lake Mary Police Department would call your Neighborhood Watch Captain and advise any pertinent information, then through a phone chain the information can be shared throughout the Neighborhood.

    http://www.lakemaryfl.com/neighborhood_watch.cfm

    Zimmerman made the 911 call to report a suspicious person in neighborhood wearing a hoodie. Now, he was told to back off, don’t chase this person. At this point, the first thing is to find out if Zimmerman stop the pursuit. There is the case and that will resolve so many questions.

  • Monkey Wrench

    #44

    Hey Rock, I’m with you 100% on that. If the government accuses a private citizen of a crime, that person is in big trouble even if they are innocent. Even if they get off, the person can end up bankrupt from the legal fees. And the stress can damage their health and ruin relationships.

    The only people that have a right to encourage the government to bring charges are the individuals involved. Obviously the kid’s family wants charges brought. That’s completely understandable. But these outside groups from New York and Washington should be ashamed of themselves for going after Zimmerman.

    If they want to protest the Stand Your Ground law, that’s fine. But they have absolutely no right to go after Zimmerman. That’s terrible. There is no indication that Zimmerman is some evil character who committed a horrible crime that deserves national attention. I feel sorry for the guy.

  • squeaky

    [Trayvon Martin’s parents will ask the U.S. Justice Department to review a local Florida prosecutor’s interactions with police investigating the teen’s shooting death, the family’s lawyer said.] i think holder will find time for this.
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/01/justice/florida-teen-shooting-review/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

  • Monkey Wrench

    I thought the Feds were already involved.

  • Patty

    Insufferable – Congressional Black Caucus Introducing Race-Based And Gun Control Bills To Further Exploit Trayvon Martin Shooting
    Posted on April 1, 2012 by sundancecracker

    This is a prime example of why our founders did not establish a “Democracy” as our form of governance (more after article). The actual facts are not yet even known in the Trayvon Martin case, and the insufferable progs move to pass legislation in response.

    (The Hill) — In the wake of the slaying of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, House Democrats are drafting legislation designed to prevent similar tragedies in the future.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/01/insufferable-congressional-black-caucus-introducing-race-based-and-gun-control-bills-to-further-exploit-trayvon-martin-shooting/

  • Patty

    Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.

    ‘This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,’ Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.

    He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2116323/Trayvon-Martin-shooting-Police-finally-play-George-Zimmermans-911-calls.html#ixzz1qqP3Ryl9

    Zimmerman may have describe a hoodie but that is part of a profile of a suspect and the police need a description.

    Black Trayvon Undertaker Says Body Showed No Signs Of Fight …

    I ask, what about drugs in his system. And was there an assistant to this coroner. And I would like the investigations to prove that there was no evidence of scratches, etc. on Martin’s person.

  • Ed

    If you listen to the 911 call made by Zimmerman, after the dispatcher asks him ‘which way did he go?’ Zimmerman leaves his vehicle to try and answer the question. You can begin to hear the wind blowing across the mic which would indicate he is then outside. After the dispatcher says ‘we don’t need you to do that’ regarding following Martin, Zimmerman responds ‘okay’ and soon thereafter there is no more sound of the wind blowing across the mic. This could be evidence that Zimmerman got back into his vehicle.

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  • wanumba

    One of the basic problems is, we have more traces of what Zimmerman did versus the random factor Martin. It’s nonsense to say Zimmerman should of done this or that when we don’t really know how Martin was actually moving around him, and the partisan crowd wants to stick to the narrative that Martin was doing nothing, which can’t be the case. He was doing something, he was reacting to Zimmerman’s presence, exactly what and how isn’t sure.
    WHat if Martin did some profiling of his own, saw the neighborhood watch guy, a smaller than he Hispanic and decided he could teach him a lesson?

    Hmm. No better or worse conjecture than others, and better than many but not mentioned at all.

  • unfavorable odds

    Typical government ineptitude. They can’t even spell right.

    See “aquiring” at 3:02

  • bg
  • bg

    ++

    March 26, 2012

    via Anti-Mullah

    TRAYVON MARTIN STORY

    Another move in the class and race warfare plan Obama has started to
    try to win re-election or have already put in motion at street level chaos
    to call up a peacetime martial law based on his Executive Order.

    OBAMA STYLE MANUFACTURED RACE
    WARFARE FOR ELECTION PURPOSES

    [4.Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin’s father, who
    tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his
    son
    .]

    ==

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