Outrage!… Military Tells Chaplains What They Can and Can’t Say About Obama Administration’s Assault on Religion

Last week Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan lashed out at the Obama Administration for forcing religious organizations to go out into the marketplace and buy a product that violates their conscience. The rule would force Christian organizations to provide free contraceptives, sterilizations and abortion drugs to workers even though this violates Catholic Church teaching. The new rules are so strict that most Catholic institutions will not qualify for an exemption.

(The Echo)

Even Pope Benedict warned of the “grave threat” to religious freedom in United States before the Obama Administration approved the new rules.

Now the Obama Administration is forbidding Catholic chaplains from reading a letter from the leader of the US bishops.

Business Insider reported:

The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself.

The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinful–contraception, sterilization and abortion.

All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church “cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law.”

Even Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains sent out the same letter. But after he did, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.

More than one Catholic chaplain who spoke to us off the record confirmed that many chaplains disobeyed this instruction and read the letter anyway.

Others sought further instructions from their Archbishop. Now after much behind-the-scenes bureaucratic wrangling, a new version of the letter will be read, one that was edited of the language about “unjust laws.” A new statement issued this afternoon from Archbishop Broglio’s office acknowledged the interference this way:

Archbishop Broglio and the Archdiocese stand firm in the belief, based on legal precedent, that such a directive from the Army constituted a violation of his Constitutionally-protected right of free speech and the free exercise of religion, as well as those same rights of all military chaplains and their congregants. Following a discussion between Archbishop Broglio and the Secretary of the Army, The Honorable John McHugh, it was agreed that it was a mistake to stop the reading of the Archbishop’s letter. Additionally, the line: “We cannot-we will not-comply with this unjust law” was removed by Archbishop Broglio at the suggestion of Secretary McHugh over the concern that it could potentially be misunderstood as a call to civil disobedience.

Don’t expect the state-run media to report on this story.

It doesn’t fit their narrative.

Get news like this in your Facebook News Feed,
Gateway Pundit

Facebook Comments

Disqus Comments

  • StrangernFiction

    IMHO any member of the armed forces that refuses to server this evil MFer has done the right thing.

  • Patty

    The IS OFFICIALLY IS NO LONGER THE LAND OF THE FREE. Armageddon Awaits.

  • Patty

    correction:

    This, not the is officially

  • Patty

    Obama must not be re-elected. This administration doesn’t care about morals or the people of this nation. They are ruling like communists. And they have just the right words to say to get away with what they are doing.

    Imagine if Bush did this. If he interfere in every aspect of our live. There would be H$#@ for Bush to pay.

    Our nation has problems but now Obama imo is far worse a problem. He is making things so terribly difficult in everything he touches.

  • lol

    china has a catholic church that is run by the state, they don’t go under the pope. the current regime is also dictating what the church can and can not do, or say in America. first it was an assault on judaism, and now the catholics.

  • martha

    Amendment 1 of the Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free excercise thereof” What part of that does Obama not understand? I thought he was a constitutional lae professor.

  • Kermit

    Orders… right straight from the top…

  • nana

    Obama’s war with the Catholics, he should be voted out.

  • Texas_Treeroach

    It’s called hijacking the moral integrity and religious foundation of Our National Heritage.

  • Patty

    What possesses a President to try and change the very life blood of the Catholic Church. His mentor Wright is a radical and racist. Obama sat there for 20 years listening to the hate then became president? Now, we are reaping what Obama sows. The hate is now progressing our nation’s Military. And what is more remarkable the Military is obliging this hate and propaganda.

    GD America is a lesson Obama has learned well. There will be a rise up in this nation. I now believe it will come. Things aren’t going well in our nation, but Obama is becoming more of enemy, then any problem we face. A disaster created where there wasn’t one. He is creating that alright. Nothing more.
    Obama ruling requires Catholic institutions to violate church teaching, why is he still president.

  • crackermike

    Imagine for an instant the media UPROAR that would result if a Military moslem cleric was prevented by Bush from preaching hate and murder of Americans. Obama is a moslem, pure and simple. Obama HATES America and the Constitution, pure and simple. After Obama is not re-elected, he must be prosecuted and imprisoned for willfully and wantonly conspiring to deny American Citizens their Civil Rights. This is how tyrants start civil wars.

  • owl

    What is wrong with all of these issues? How does Obama get by with it?

    Those Professional MSM Pooper-Scoopers are AWOL.

    After you say to yourself how bad Obama is, remind self of who elected him. MSM.

    Not one of these things could have taken place under Bush. Nada. Zero. MSM runs this country and for some reason, most people do not understand it. They are the power behind the throne. Talk all you want about how much they no longer matter. It ain’t so.

    MSM is what made all of this possible for Obama. They are vile.

  • StrangernFiction

    If you want full freedom to say what you want, don’t join the military.

    Chaplain or not, you take “orders”.

    Yup, mass slaughter is ugly but it’s just par for the course cause folks got to obey orders.

  • StrangernFiction

    What possesses a President to try and change the very life blood of the Catholic Church.

    The same thing that possessed Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin…….

  • Major Kong

    Have to wonder why Obama has created this controversy in an election year. Suspect that the hubris that inevitably results from an unchecked narcissistic personality may be compromising his ability to recognize limits. Whatever the explanation, I believe we may be witnessing the beginning of evil destroying itself.

  • Pingback: Outrage!… US Military Tells Catholic Chaplains What They Can and Can’t Say About Obama Administration’s Assault on Religion | ()

  • olm

    I am literally disgusted by the assault on the Catholic Church.
    It makes me sick to my stomach. But you’re right, there is no reporting. None.
    We only know about SGK and Planned Parenthood.
    Scary times.

  • Pingback: Outrage!… US Military Tells Catholic Chaplains What They Can and Can’t Say About Obama Administration’s Assault on Religion()

  • #7 February 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    martha commented:

    Amendment 1 of the Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free excercise thereof” What part of that does Obama not understand? I thought he was a constitutional lae professor.”

    The second half, Martha…the same part most liberals conveniently leave out.

  • Of course this obama’s war on religious rights in this country………Chaplains are commissioned officers……..chaplains are not employees…….as commissioned officers they swear an oath to defend the constitution……..constitution does not premit-{Hilter’s training-pants want-to be} to interfere with their religious semons and ministy………they haven’t swore a oath to obama yet…..just sayin

  • #1AMERICAN

    Zero the anti christ does not have a religious bone in his skinny a$$ body…he believes in Islam the Koran and the destruction of America…time for the POS to get the hellll out of our country…..

  • Patty

    Obama was a Law Professor, so they say, never hear from any of his students. He must know how far he can go and who he can order around, just short of breaking the Constitution.

    Holder another pinhead won’t get a punishment for Fast and Furious, he will find some other slug to take the fall.
    _____________________
    A Battle the President Can’t Win
    His decision on Catholic charities makes Romney’s big gaffe look trivial.

    What a faux pas, how inept, how removed from the essential realities of America. Yes, I’m referring to President Obama. But let’s do Mitt Romney first.

    He’s taken heavy fire for his interview with CNN’s Soledad O’Brien, in which he said, “I’m not concerned about the very poor.”

    Every criticism has been true. It was politically inept, playing into stereotypes about Republicans and about his own candidacy. It was Martian-like in its seeming remove from the concerns of everyday citizens. We’re in a recession here! It was at odds both with longtime American tradition and with rising conservative concern over the growth and changing nature of what used to be called the underclass.

    So: inept.

    Advice? Treat the mistake as an opportunity. First, admit the blunder. A political communications expert would add, “And move on.” But don’t. Use this mistake, and others—”I like being able to fire people”—as the basis for a true, thoughtful and extended statement that will allow people more deeply into the mind of Mitt Romney. Call it “Let me tell you about my gaffes.” Use it to deepen people’s understanding of your views not only on poverty but on the whole American picture.

    Three reasons to do this. First, the networks, in their Romney gaffe reels, will have to use some of the lengthier address for the appearance of fairness. Second, it’s good to dwell on this problem now because Democrats want it to go away. That’s because they want to bring it back fresh in the fall, when people have forgotten it. The third reason has to do with still-widespread conservative unease with what Mr. Romney really thinks and why he thinks it. He should set himself to giving a fuller picture of his thoughts.

    A Battle the President Can’t Win
    His decision on Catholic charities makes Romney’s big gaffe look trivial.
    ***

    http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html MORE HERE

  • aprilnovember811

    But after he did, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.

    The Chief of Chaplains is committing a seditious act against the United States and the oath to the Constitution. They’re following Hitler.

  • Patty

    The latest act against the Catholic Church is the most blatant ruling that will be effective August 1, 2012 requiring insurance companies to cover contraception in all health care plans. This is in direct violation to Catholic teachings and to most Christians. The US Conference of Catholic Bishops has a year to decide what action to take and have promised to fight. In my opinion, Obama wants control of the Catholic Church in America and if the Bishops, priests and the laity do not fight the administration, it appears that Obama will win. The present elected Catholics in Congress and the Senate are weak and have not done enough to fight for Religious Freedom. Vice President Joe Biden and Congresswomen Nancy Pelosi, leaders in the Liberal/Socialist/Democrat party, are a joke to their Catholic faith.

    When will the Catholic pastors as a whole fight for religious freedom? When will Catholics stop voting for the Liberals who vote against the Catholic and Christian teachings? When, When, When? We could of course stop believing in our faith and start believing the religion of Obama or buy into Ron Paul’s Liberty movement. Paul voted in favor of repealing ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ and allowing gays to openly serve in the military. Maybe these are his followers. His views on personal liberty that we can do what we want with our bodies is against Christian teachings, “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own”? In the society we live in today, secularism and relativism have become the norm. Right and wrong are interchangeable.

    I am afraid that if Obama is reelected, he will not allow the Right to Life marches in DC and around the nation and that the Catholic Church will be forced to accept women as priests because it will be ruled unconstitutional to only allow men by the Supreme Court Justices. And finally that euthanasia will be mandated. Sounds far fetched? Think again…if Obama is reelected he will have the opportunity to name more Supreme Court Justices mirroring his ideology. What were some of the first words that he uttered after he became president, “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation,” remember? What has transpired in just three years is the phenomenal decline of the moral fiber in America. If we are to remain a Judeo-Christian nation, Obama must not be reelected!

    http://www.texasgopvote.com/restore-families/sanctity-life/obamas-war-catholic-church-and-christians-why-we-march-pro-life-rallies-003774

  • aprilnovember811

    This is Obama speaking to America. I want to scream, YOU AREN’T A PRESIDENT! YOU AREN’T CHRISTIAN! YOU’RE SATAN! GO BACK HOME ZERO, NO NOT KENYA, HELL!

    http://youtu.be/J34R_Y1byJc

  • Granny

    #7 February 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm
    martha commented:

    Amendment 1 of the Constitution:“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free excercise thereof” What part of that does Obama not understand? I thought he was a constitutional lae professor.

    _________

    Obama is not part of Congress. As in so many other cases, he thinks that he is a law unto himself and is free to make all the regulations he cares to.

  • Patty

    The views of this administration don’t reflect America. We have heard from radicals in the White House and it is as if the are incoherent, they are saying and doing this every day that is completely foreign and opposite of people who should be leading. They are getting away with it and it take one liberal to sue or call for action on even the minor thing and they get their way.

    No defense lawyer would think of handle such frivolous case but these days the do, and they win. We have allow America to become Politically Correct and allow the left to deny us true prosperity and hope that we can grow strong again. We have become the slaves to this administration and I don’t see anyone standing up or if they do, nothing is accomplished.

    We do look weak and the weaker we become the more chipping away of America happens.

    Our last ditch effort is to vote them out of office, I suppose. Damage is being done every day closer to the elections. They are a never ending enemy.

  • John03

    Why not eiliminate free speech while you’re abolishing freedom of religion?

  • Patty

    Did I say chipping away, it is boulders now.

  • Estragon

    If anyone wasn’t convinced before, do we need any more evidence that Obama wants to be a totalitarian dictator? He ignores the laws on regulations, the scope of authority of NLRB and FCC, uses the DOJ to cover up and prosecute selectively on political grounds, ignores the law on recess appointments, and now issues regulations on his health care power grab that flaunt the First Amendment.

    And he does all this when he still faces the voters again! What would he do if reelected? It’s positively frightening.

  • Major Kong

    And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

    Even though we know the ultimate outcome, these are still interesting, if dangerous times, we’re living in.

  • aprilnovember811

    He can’t murder Christians like his friends in the Middle East, so he’s doing it this way. Give him time, and he may bring out the weapons. It’s 50/50 anyone would stop him. I don’t put anything past this monster.

  • aprilnovember811

    Elixir,
    Don’t you ever, ever say that. Hitler removed religion from East Germany. Stalin did the same thing. Now, now, I suggest you read up on your history. You naive little fool. Do you actually think, there could never be another Hitler? Don’t ever diminish what this man is doing. I’ve had enough of it. He’s just like Hitler. He may not have killed 6 million Jews at this point, but they both started out this way. Go read some history.

  • Patty

    Pelosi Falsely Claims Catholic Church Supports ObamaCare Forced Contraception Policy

    http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-falsely-claims-catholic-church-supports-obamacare-forced-contraception-policy/

    watch here

  • Patty

    #37 February 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    Elixir commented:

    Are any of you getting that this was a directive to Military chaplains?
    __________

    Of course, from the extreme leader, Obama

  • flyoverland

    Obviously, Obama missed that 9-0 SCOTUS decision two weeks ago.

  • Patty

    Excelsior, The Messiah? Rather fitting. Onward and upward, the mighty ruler has spoken.

  • Mad Hatter

    Just like a typical dictator, he doesn’t like to be criticized.

    First they came for the Catholics….

  • Taqiyyotomist

    #38 aprilnovember811

    ::high-five::

    …. He’s just like Hitler. He may not have killed 6 million Jews at this point, but they both started out this way. Go read some history…

    At this point.

    You know, the upshot to the upcoming prison camps and mass graves?

    GODWIN’S SO-CALLED (IDIOTS’) LAW WILL BE FOREVER REPEALED.

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck? Well, it can’t be a duck, because it hasn’t done every single thing that a duck has done. Let’s give it a chance.

    And by the time we do see that yeppers, yesindeedee, this guy whose whole damn cabinet worships Mao Tse Tung is in fact JUST LIKE Hitler, it will be AFTER 40+ million American “incorrect” thinkers’ bodies are rotting in Democrat-made mass graves.

    Screw Godwin, and screw whomever came up with whatever “law” the Lefties think is a logical fallacy of some sort. If you’re acting, writing, speaking, thinking, and legislating like Adolph Hitler, then THERE YOU ARE. And these people worship MAO, for cryin’ out loud! Mao, who killed four times as many humans as Hitler in HALF THE TIME.

    Oh, but Mao, Stalin, Hitler, they weren’t practicing “PURE” forms of (Communism/Socialism/etc…)

    Seems to me the more pure it gets, the deadlier it gets. I’m also quite sure that it seems that way to anyone else who is paying attention.

    If China or Stalin’s USSR had made Communism/Socialism any more “pure”, hell, there’d be ten people left alive on the planet!!

    But at least they would be “correct thinking” people. “Freethinkers”, you know.

    Andreas K. would still be alive, natch.

  • Liz

    IMPEACH him and put in Romney to reverse this rebelliousness.

  • Joanne

    Obama is an elected official, and not God Himself. The guy figures he can do whatever he wants because he has been getting away with it for too long. Long past time to stand up to this dictator.

  • ““We cannot-we will not-comply with this unjust law” was removed by Archbishop Broglio at the suggestion of Secretary McHugh over the concern that it could potentially be misunderstood as a call to civil disobedience.”

    let me help the confused: it IS a call for civil, and, if necessary, uncivil disobedience.

    that’s how this country came into being: people telling a government to go attempt aerial intercourse with a rotating pastry when it tried to make them do something beyond the pale.

    and “Elixir”? i was in the army for twenty fun filled years… you take orders, but the UCMJ recognizes the difference between “lawful orders” and “unlawful” ones.

    telling chaplains what they can and can’t say from the pulpit, based on the moral teachings of their particular religion and the guidance of their ecclesiastical superiors?

    illegal.

    separation of church and state.

    QED… but thanks for playing.

  • Joanne

    God said Christians would be hated because of Christ’s name, and Obama, as a muslim, hates Christians.

  • Marybel

    SGK is pro-choice.
    Pray. God will separate the wheat from the chaff.

  • martha

    #30 Granny-Agreed, Obama thinks he’s above the law, however it is Congress and the Senate that do make laws and Obama cannot just dictatefrom the pedestal he thinks he deserves to be placed on.
    Congress and the Senate should put a stop to this immediately but we all know how that will turn out, and for this I blame the people of Nevada for not getting rid of Harry Reid when they had the chance 2 years ago,

  • Taqiyyotomist

    OT:

    In case anyone missed it, like me, there is a link in GP’s blogroll (righthand column) to the new alternative to Drudge Report, and here’s some info on it:

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/02/conservative-alternative-to-drudge.html

    It’s called BadBlue, and is quite a good source for news.

    http://badblue.bitnamiapp.com/trendr8.htm

    Or you can just get there by the old http://larwyn.com

  • Taqiyyotomist

    I like the name, too.

    “Bad Blue! BAD Blue! Just LOOK what you did. You pooped all over my Constitution. BAD BLUE!”

  • Mark E. Bauerle

    Skip my previous comment. I got my Dolans mixed up

  • StrangernFiction

    David Brooks is getting hot and bothered over the thought of mandatory service programs to force the two tribes together and you think a little genocide is out of bounds for Barry?

    The truth is very scary, yes it is. So go stick your head back in the sand.

  • valerie

    #45 February 3, 2012 at 9:53 pm
    Liz commented:

    Nah, hold an election, and let Gingrich clean his clock.

  • donh

    Obama is being this agressive during an election year because EVERYTHING IS GOING TO PLAN…. He knows he has his re-election in the bag…..Romney is a mock up Steven Colbert character punking you all into a loss. He is going to validate every negative stereotype ever thrown at the Republican party and LAUGH at all the damage he does in fullfilling the deal he has with Obama . This is what happens when you submit to being mindless peons who FOLLOW LEADERSHIP and kiss the butt of whatever candidate has the most money.

  • StrangernFiction

    To add to what you’re saying donh. It’s not too hard to imagine Obama, Holder, and crew feeling pretty good given that after three years of intense sabotage, the GOP looks to be nominating a fellow statist. Bulliest don’t respect cowardice.

  • LAURIE

    OMG OBUMMER MUST GO……..i’ll buy his ticket to his hometown of kenya.

  • StrangernFiction

    OT And speaking of GOP cowardice (or worse):

    http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/02/sipsey-street-exclusive-meet-silent.html

    Although I’m sure this is completely unfounded, as it doesn’t sound anything like the John Boehner I know.

  • Joanne #46

    re Obama is an elected official, and not God Himself

    Are you sure? In his mind he is Gd Almighty. Back in the day he would be cutting out paper dolls and making ashtrays in a mental asylum but in our enlightened times he is made the most powerful man in the world, but he is still a crazy man who thinks he’s Gd..

  • StrangernFiction

    Keep it simple:

    Someone who likes to raise their chin up in dictatorial fashion = a dictator

    Someone who has been elected to state office in Massachusetts = a statist

  • BOH is the most arogant, self rightous, bigoted, opionated, person every to reside at 1600 Penn Ave. I cannot wait for the day that this prick is arrested and charged with high treason and thrown into jail, along with his crooked AG and all of his crony buddies who are stealing this country blind…

  • Molon Labe

    #5

    You are bound to obey legal orders and defend the Constitution. You never served did you?

    Obama is trampling the Constitution. These orders are illegal and should be disobeyed.

  • paging joe sestek, paging joe sestek. we need that executive order from obama preventing taxpayers dollars from being used to fund abortion.

  • Molon Labe

    Obama is a despot and all military chaplians should disobey this order. If the military chooses to prosecute them let them demonstrate their faith so the fools and junior ass kissers can be exposed and removed at a laterdate.

    You swear an aoath to defend the Constitution not obey the orders of a trumped up despot.

    RESIST.

  • Pingback: Outrage!… US Military Tells Catholic Chaplains What They Can and Can’t Say About Obama Administration’s Assault on Religion | Liberal Whoppers()

  • Doug Indeap

    Some, including apparently the Church, have resorted to lies to in their efforts to oppose the health care law. Contrary to wild-eyed cries to the contrary, IT DOES NOT FORCE ANYONE TO ACT CONTRARY TO THEIR BELIEFS.
    Questions about the government requiring or prohibiting something that conflicts with someone’s faith are entirely real, but not new. The courts have occasionally confronted such issues and have generally ruled that the government cannot enact laws specifically aimed at a particular religion (which would be regarded a constraint on religious liberty contrary to the First Amendment), but can enact laws generally applicable to everyone or at least broad classes of people (e.g., laws concerning pollution, contracts, fraud, negligence, crimes, discrimination, employment, etc.) and can require everyone, including those who may object on religious grounds, to abide by them. Were it otherwise and people could opt out of this or that law with the excuse that their religion requires or allows it, the government and the rule of law could hardly operate. When moral binds for individuals can be anticipated, provisions may be added to laws affording some relief to conscientious objectors.

    Here, it may be questioned whether there is real need for such an exemption, since no one is being “forced,” as some commentators rage, to act contrary to his or her belief. In keeping with the law, those with conscientious objections to providing their employees with qualifying health plans may decline to provide their employees with any health plans and pay an assessment instead or, alternatively, provide their employees with health plans that do not qualify (e.g., ones without provisions they deem objectionable) and pay lower assessments.

  • Molon Labe

    #67

    Doug:

    Another proponent of depends on you define “is” is. Right Doug? What a moron.

  • squeaky

    [seems to encourage civil disobedience and could be read as seditious..] it’s the terms “seems to” and “could be read”……much like yelling racist at any thing spoken that is not absolutelyglowing about obama. turning even the simplest differing of opinion into a personal attack. cowering in the backround afraid to make waves. isn’t that what dictators are about? not questioning something leads to being told that in the end whatever occurs is your fault for not asking…..not about what they do but more about what you let them do. they will claim that they are exercising the will of the people….NOT IN MY NAME.

  • Tim McGuire

    Let me get this straight, openly gay men are now OK to serve but Priest can’t read a an official Church letter to the faithful?

    Obama serves Satan.

  • squeaky

    the terms “seemed to” and “could be” are not definates and that gives these snakes a lot of wiggle room to say [with a straight face] you were mistaken in what you thought they said…….”will encourage” carries more weight and makes it matter of fact as opposed to one of a couple of possibilities. and considering that almost any thing negative said about [no matter how innocent] obama is now bordering on treason…….and this oped from wsj following bread crumbs from doug ross.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204573704577189520334363222.html?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb_h

  • dba…vagabond trader

    In the not so distant future only the Church of Gay and islam will be recognized in the military and elsewhere. The RC church is the first because they had the temerity to disagree with the militant atheist in chief.

  • justavoter

    Why when I read this article do I think of the recent joint police/military training operation that was held in the greater LA area the other day.The one where they said was for oversea’s training.

  • squeaky

    there is no room for opposing opinions. somehow expressing them is now being done for nefarious reasons. the obama adm divining the actual intent before his detractors realize they even have one. resistence is no longer a celebrated sign of patriotism……….
    di·vined, di·vin·ing, di·vines
    v.tr.
    1. To foretell through or as if through the art of divination. See Synonyms at foretell.
    2.
    a. To know by inspiration, intuition, or reflection.
    b. To guess

  • Wow. His administration tells the troops who are sworn to defend the constitution to no longer defend it.

    What tyranny.

  • Conservative Ken

    One wonders if Muslim Chaplains are under the same restrictions? Hmmmmm

  • clearisabella

    Mandating any kind of medical care is a violation of the 9th and 10th amendments to the constitution. Why all you conservatives get picky now that they are violating the 1st is a great mystery. Ron Paul 2012

  • truth teller

    The question is…what are true patriots going to do???

  • Andreas K.

    One issue, as military chaplains they do not enjoy many of the freedoms civilians do. Plus they’re part of the military chain of command. They’re officers first, chaplains second. That’s simply how it is. Obama is atm the commander in chief, period.

    Speaking against your superiors in the military is generally called insubordination and may lead to disciplinary actions. I think the UCMJ is pretty clear there.

    If they want to speak against Obama they have to leave the service. Simple as that.

  • Andreas K.

    #38 February 3, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    aprilnovember811 commented:

    Elixir,
    Don’t you ever, ever say that. Hitler removed religion from East Germany. Stalin did the same thing. Now, now, I suggest you read up on your history. You naive little fool. Do you actually think, there could never be another Hitler? Don’t ever diminish what this man is doing. I’ve had enough of it. He’s just like Hitler. He may not have killed 6 million Jews at this point, but they both started out this way. Go read some history.
    —–

    East Germany? What? What does East Germany have to do with anything? East Germany as such didn’t exist under Hitler. Hitler didn’t remove religion. He abused it. The Christian churches fell on their knees in front of him and openly supported him.

    Yeah, go and read some history. All of you. Obama is Hitler? No, he’s not. Show me the evidence. Do some actual research into Hitler before spewing such nonsense.

    I swear, one day I will go on a shooting spree because people on both sides of the political fence are raping history.

  • bg

    ++

    end the military as we know it..

    globalize eduction,
    globalize health care,
    globalize forces,
    globalize religion,
    New World Order..

    all ONE under the auspices of the UN..

    we did not listen, we’re not listening
    still, and we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.. 🙁

    ==

  • The Elector of Saxony

    I hope the Chaplains will resign their commissions in protest and march on the White House. If Kerry can throw his medals back, maybe these Chaplains can make a real show of conscience. Show the Left what courage really looks like, ya know dong stuff the media doesn’t spend 24 hours a day cheering for.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #81 February 4, 2012 at 11:44 am bg

    Breaking The War Mentality

    Breaking Free From The Constitution

    follow the links & scroll threads for more, or not,
    your choice, and/but, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet..

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    btw GP.. you ain’t seen Outrage! yet..

    ==

  • bg
  • bg

    ++

    flashback:

    Failing at force protection: The misguided
    Pentagon report on the Ft. Hood massacre

    please scroll thread for much more, thank you..

    ==

  • valerie

    Anybody remember the military coming down on a guy singing a song, “Hadji Girl”? Or the Haditha scramble to condemn soldiers?

    The upper reaches of the US military have been known from time to time to scream like the lady elephants who met the mouse in the movie “Dumbo.” They do this for what they think is the greater good of the service, overall.

    And from time to time, the citizenry has to correct them.

    Have at ’em.

  • StrangernFiction

    Another reason to quit serving the DOTUS (not that it is needed):

    http://shark-tank.net/2012/02/04/25210/

  • Patty

    Soros Infiltrates Catholic University

    When a powerful contributor has his hooks in the Catholic Church these things will happen.

    The Catholic University of America (CUA) may have thought that AFL-CIO President Emeritus John Sweeney’s May 2nd speech on campus would be non-controversial. But Sweeney, a Catholic who doesn’t hide his commitment to socialism and a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party, promised controversy from the start. He attacked conservatives, in particular Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, and told the event that opponents of organized labor were out-of-step with the teachings of the church and Jesus Christ Himself. Then, however, Sweeney unloaded on the sponsors of his appearance, attacking university officials as union busters.
    http://www.academia.org/soros-infiltrates-catholic-university/

    Why can Obama do what he is doing. $$$$$$ big money. Catholic Church doesn’t want to forfeit up.

  • Patty

    read more on site above

  • Patty

    #86 February 4, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    bg commented:

    ++

    flashback:

    Failing at force protection: The misguided
    Pentagon report on the Ft. Hood massacre

    please scroll thread for much more, thank you..

    ==
    Communism. Soros. Disgrace, evidently clear that this nation is allowing Obama to progress his Alinksy views.

    Fear, Political Correctness, lack of Courage to step up to the plate, rights, ripping away our freedoms, sanity, morals. Outrage and I would suggest DO WHAT IS RIGHT, FACE THE COURT. THIS NATION WILL GET BEHIND YOU. There must be a fight. We must be able to fight this taking away our America.

  • aprilnovember811

    Andreas K.,
    The oath of the military is to the Constitution, now a mere man. Zero is an impostor, he is not a legitimate CIC. He has no records. He is a liar.

    And if you don’t like the term “East Germany,” I’ll refer to it as the Eastern part of Germany. I feel sorry for you, you actually believe him?

    “I Lived Under Hitler and Stalin: They Promised Socialism … But Gave Us Tyranny”
    July 14th, 2011
    By Dr. Harold Pease

    I met R. Sellner Reese some five years ago and found her story one of the most interesting and unusual ever; she lived under two of the most murderous tyrannical governments ever: Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. “I was born under Hitler, grew up under Stalin and worked under communist dictators Walter Ulbricht and Erich Honnecker in East Germany,” she told me. Few have more practical experience under socialism than she. She and her three children came to America in 1985 for political and religious freedom requesting political asylum. Her main message to us: “socialism never worked under these regimes and it will never work in America either.” She sees us falling into the same trap of repeated lies and promises that duped her German friends and neighbors.

    “Hitler promised National Socialism but gave us tyranny instead,” she said. “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.” Some warned the people but the promises were so desirable and powerful. “My friend’s father told other people, that Hitler is a liar and will bring Germany down. One evening, two men came to his apartment and took him in for questioning before the police. Five days later, the wife received a letter that he has passed away with a heart problem. The family was told his grave is at the City Cemetery. The family was so afraid to ask questions, and nobody knew what the Gestapo had done. No paper concerning his death was ever found. I personally know so many people who have suffered in the Nazi time.”

    A second Hitler promise: “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.” The socialist promise that the government would take from the rich and give to the poor only made everyone poor and resulted in human suffering and death, and eventually war. “In my school class of 40 children, only 8 had a father after the war. Women had to take all the responsibility for family and their future.” So much for the socialist promises.

    After the war the Soviets held the eastern part of Germany where she lived, (renamed East Germany) under socialism with Joseph Stalin. “We had to learn how wonderful the Red Army was and that socialism will take over the whole world to make all people free.” She remembered the fruitless promises of prosperity under Hitler. Socialism never delivered then or under Stalin. “We had little food and I never saw a banana, and chocolate was only a dream. We had to stand in long waiting lines for food. When I finally got to the counter, there might not be anything left. To buy a car, there was a 10-15 year waiting time. Of course, you must have cash!” Still, even midst all this poverty, the message went out, “SOCIALISM IS THE ONLY TRUTH ON THIS EARTH!” But the real truth was that the people could not choose their education or occupation. “The government had control over your personal life, our work, living place, childcare, school and the ‘STASI’ (Socialistic Secret Service) constantly watched us. If you resisted you ended up in prison and your children could be taken from you and adopted.”

    A visit to Russia, the motherland of socialism, in 1982 revealed the failure of the promise of socialism there as well. “The citizens of Russia were so poor. Bad housing, not enough food and clothing.”

    In 1985 Reese was finally able to leave socialist East Germany and come to the United States under political asylum. What she sees here in recent years is too similar to the socialist worlds from which she escaped, Reese says, and it frightens her that we are taking the same path of forced sharing the wealth and socialized medicine and so many other things, and she is forced to watch tyranny return one more time.

    When she sees Congress having its own healthcare plan rather than taking the same one forced on the people visions of privileged healthcare for the socialist leaders in East Germany comes to mind. She experienced rationed healthcare when her mother, at 70, was declared too old for an operation and died two years later because resources would be better spent on the young but knew that such would not be denied a government official.

    Reese warns, “What is happening in America right now is scary! I’d like to tell everybody, socialism will never work in America either.” Her loss of freedom in her former settings, she says, “didn’t happen overnight, but gradually, and it can happen in America!!”

    Dr. Harold Pease is an expert on the United States Constitution. He has dedicated his career to studying the writings of the Founding Fathers and applying that knowledge to current events. He has taught history and political science from this perspective for over 25 years at Taft College. To read more of his weekly articles, please visit http://www.LibertyUnderFire.org.

  • WillofLa

    In several comments I’ve noticed that the position they are taking is correct in that the chaplins are officers first and chaplins second. But at a time in the history of our nation we are being shoved around by those civilian’s who are in charge over our military don’t care about this nations religous base who serve our nation in it’s various services. They don’t care because they are Socialists and Communists who since the 70’s have been trying to dismantle our religious base and foundation.

    It’s reached a time in our history where the call to civil disobedience IS being called for because of the fact that Obama’s eligitability has yet to be established conclusively well enough where our military officer corp cannot bring itself to obey this poser who is called the “Commander-in-Chief”. If it’s found out that he is not eligable to be President, and there was a violation of the Constitutional laws in order for a certain political party to get this man in office at any cost, then it puts our military in a significant bind. All that they have done may be in question as to why didn’t the military officer corp demand that Obama be found out one way or the other because their operations depends on having someone who holds the authority to kill people and blow things up. And if it’s found out that they did not have the legal authority to do so could put our military in jeaporty of having to answer for war crimes by just being in a foreign country illegally.

    Our nation needs to return to God. That’s all there is to it. We cannot allow our military to be run by Communists and are overturning every custom and tradition we have in order to make things like THEY want them to be. This is the problem with our military cadre doing what they are ordered to do, or do they follow what the right thing to do. These are the decisions we usually follow based on our moral core. If you don’t have one then none of those things matter and our officers have to do what they are told and forget about one of these days having to answer to God, or in the interum having to answer to higher ups in the church. It is their responsibility to make sure that the teachings they are putting out are according to the word of God and not the word of man. Obama.

  • WillofLa

    #92 aprilnovember811,

    Yes, everyone I have heard on the radio for years now have said the what they see happening right here in America is exactly what they saw happen in their country when the Socialist/Communists took over. They pointed out all the little changes that they saw, that are exactly what is happening here. So, yes I believe that you don’t know what you have until you loose it, but in the case of freedom and liberty we are the only country who was established in order to provide those God given rights to man. All the other countries in the world try to emulate us and how we live, but until they get rid of the chains that bind them they will not be like us, they’ll just look like us. Look at China and what the leftist media is showing American’s right now. They show young Chinese buying cars, nice clothes, young Chinese working women walking down the street out shopping with bags in their hands while wearing the latest trends. What the government controlled media is showing American’s is,
    “See, our way of life can be sustained under a Communist government that controls everything even your life. Do these people live in a concentration camp, no, do they look like they are starving or are impoverished, no. (Then the media shows articles on how McDonld’s is opening up more and more stores in cities all over the countryside). America can still exist just like it has always been and it doesn’t have to have this old out of date Constitution and Bill of Rights, that are only used by the wealthy to be able to discreminate over some races of people especially the poor.”
    The people I’ve heard on the radio are saying we are being lied to everyday by Obama and those in the Republican Party are letting him get away with violating our founding documents so they can continue to get rich under the Democrat Parties influence peddling to the big banks and foreign investment corporations who are manipulating our economy for their benefit.

    That we must stop, but it’s going to be very hard because so many have become super wealthy over many years, and there are alot of people who are linked to them for their financial growth as well. So there are many chains and links of people who are getting rich off of these big wig politician’s getting richer and richer. That must be stopped. But how do you tell someone who has been getting rich when before when our Constitution was being followed, they would not have been able to become so rich, to stop making money off of your connections with outside sources you are doing favors for. And then expect them to just stop? It’s going to be very hard.

    It’s just like having to learn to live by a budget. It’s hard at first but then the longer it goes the easier it becomes. It’s just going to have to be government wide, and right now the government is very wide, and so are those who have been making money off of those in our government in both parties. So maybe we need to get rid of the parties and just have people who are moral and conservative to vote for and no one else.

    Our forefathers hated political parties and wrote much about their evils. What gave them such a foothold in our country as well as other countries is they cater to people’s “tribalism”. Everyone wants to feel like they belong to a group of people who all think alike. Not very many people are totally autonomous. Even your family will associate with those in other families who are like them, and that’s how politician’s take advantage of people’s loyalty.

  • bg

    ++

    Business Insider reported:

    Whoops…

    The page you are trying to reach cannot be found.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-military-is-now-telling-catholic-chaplains-can-%3Cspan%3Eand%3C/span%3E-cant-say-about-obama-administration-2012-2#ixzz1lRzXtRrm

    sure hope you have a screen shot/ photo picture of that article GP..

    ==

  • Elixir, there are a number of issues in play in this decision by the Pentagon to muzzle Chaplains. First, they are ordained by their denominations and serve in the military with the full understanding that they adhere to the tenets of their faith as they minister to military members and perform their duties as Chaplains. Several cases are working their way through the courts to determine whether the government can restrict their First Amendment rights simply as a condition of employment. Notice that the Pentagon places no such restrictions on Muslim Chaplains, they won’t even allow any negative mention of Islam in such reports as the Jihad attack at Fort Hood that killed some 13 deploying soldiers or the many attacks on military installations by other Muslim terrorists even here on American soil. Purity and fairness and equal application of the censorship/freedom don’t seem to be hallmarks of this administration.

  • WillofLa

    I believe that our military officer corp needs to throw the gaunlet down in front of Obama, and demand that he prove he has the authority to tell them to do what everyone knows is against the teachings of God. That way it won’t be our officer corp disobeying orders, just veritfication that THIS President is following the law and not doing what the special interests who control him are demanding. Like I was taught in the Army, when I was in Vietnam I was the radio man on my team. I carried a code book on a string around my neck. In it was what was called “authentication codes”. What they were for were to prove that whoever it was that was calling me were who they said they were. I would give them a series of letters, words, phrases and they were to give me back other words, letters, and phrases that was the code for proofing who they were. Then once that was done then their message could be taken telling us what they wanted us to do.

    The same thing needs to be done with these orders to start offering birth control, abortion, and other kinds of contriseption that is against the teachings of Christians, and specifically the Catholic Church about birth control. Obama thinks that he can just do this and they’re being officers would have to do what they are being told. But that’s not the way it works. What you tell the officer to do must jive with both military procedure, and Constitutional law. Constitutional law has been constructed according to what it called “natural law”. Natural law is what man is supposed to do according to God’s word and how we are to manage ourselves according to the way we are to be when we are living by Christian teachings. Like, Do Unto Others kind of thing is how our Constitution is constructed, and that is what the leftists have been doing and that is to “deconstruct” our way of life according to what the Constitution tells us we are to do for ourselves and others, as who are the citizen’s of this nation, and ever as far as how we are to treat those who are not American citizen’s and other countries.

    Living according to natural law is how American’s have enjoyed living for generations, and now Obama comes along and tries to fool us into thinking he has a grip on what that is and is going to “redefine” it to us so that we can understand how we are to treat others who are citizen’s and those who are outside this nation when he talks about how people think it’s not fair for American’s to have air conditioning in our homes and places of work? What kind of American “values” is that? Obama says that those who want an abortion in our military have certain “rights” as to what they believe is the right thing for them to do, and then they should also have the right to be allowed to have accsess to contriception, or abortion while under the service of their country? Really? Who says that?

    That is why I am saying our military officer corp should demand authentication as to what is telling Obama that he has to give this kind of order. That way our military can go ahead and follow orders no matter how it goes against what they believe. But then that’s the whole idea behind this order. It gives an order to our officers to do something it should not be doing, that it has never done before.

  • Molon Labe

    #79

    If you don’t believe Hitler carried out an assault on religion in Germany then it is you who is crazy. And I can well believe you are the kind of personality to go postal. Ignorance doesn’t mix well with arrogance.

    Today we have a strutting little Hitler. And those who elected him bear as much blame as the Dear Leader. He made no pretense about what he was going to do and his record was there for all to see.

  • Andreas K. #80

    re The Christian churches fell on their knees in front of him and openly supported him

    Indeed they did..

    ‘The following photos provide a pictorial glimpse of Hitler, how his Nazis mixed religion with government, and the support for Hitler by the Protestant and Catholic Churches in Germany. In, no way, does this gallery of photos intend to support Nazism or anti-Semitism, but instead, intends to warn against them.

    Hitler With Whip (acting like ‘Jesus’)

    Hitler’s close friend, Dietrich Eckart, told of overhearing Hitler showing off to a lady by denouncing Berlin in extravagant terms: “. . . the luxury, the perversion, the iniquity, the wanton display and the Jewish materialism disgusted me so thoroughly that I was almost beside myself. I nearly imagined myself to be Jesus Christ when he came to his Father’s Temple and found the money changers.” Eckart described Hitler as “brandishing his whip and exclaimed that it was his mission to descend upon the capital like a Christ and scourge the corrupt.”

    And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables.
    –John 2:14-15

    (Note, a scourge of small cords describes a whip.)

    Hitler wth Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin, 1935

    On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany” and added with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.”

    (Source: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)’

    Nazi photos

    also

    ‘Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

    “The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race… Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”

    This is the text only text version and incidentally one of three web sites on the entire web that feature the secret OSS documents that detailed the Nazi Master Plan to Persecute Christian Churches.’

    Hitler’s Persecution of the Christian Churches

  • bg #95

    here ’tis.

    ‘The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself.

    The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinful–contraception, sterilization and abortion.

    All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church “cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law.”‘

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-03/politics/31020168_1_military-chaplains-chaplains-sent-civil-disobedience

    😎

  • Taqiyyotomist

    #40 Andreas K.

    “I swear, one day I will go on a shooting spree because people on both sides of the political fence are raping history.”

    Boy, that’s a surprising admission — I mean, for someone who supported the despicable, pure evil actions of Anders Breivik in Norway.

    You are a real piece of, ah, work.

    That Jim Hoft allows you to keep posting your killing fantasies at his blog astounds me, to no end.

    Don’t bother responding. You are beyond reasoning. I really hope Interpol pays you a much-deserved visit.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    I think CJ went overboard at LGF with the mass bannings of anyone who disagreed with him, but I gotta say: sometimes it is indeed necessary to say, “Get the hell off my blog.”

    Like when you support mass-murderers of kids in Norway.

    Like when you say (and “swear”!) you’re going to go on a shooting spree.

    People like you should be locked up without even access to butter knives.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Molon Labe

    I’ll see if I can find the Anders Breivik threads here at GP.

    Andreas K. thinks Breivik was RIGHT.

    And, when Andreas goes on his murder-spree, what will the MFM say?

    “He was also a frequent commenter at Gateway Pundit, an obviously extreme-right-wing hate-blog which was a direct catalyst for his actions.”

    —-

    WHICH IS WHY HE NEEDS TO BE KICKED THE F&*K TO THE CURB.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/80-children-slaughtered-on-utoya-island/#comment-393392

    Andreas K. said:

    On the other hand I’m inclined to say that this attack is “good”. Now before you all jump me with tar and feathers let me finish this thought. This attack proves that Europe is not invulnerable. A lot of people have already forgotten that since London and Madrid. But, I know, they’ll forget it again. Because “Germany’s Next Top Model” is more important.

    Overall I think it’s a shape of things to come. Europe will burn. And I like that thought very much.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/80-children-slaughtered-on-utoya-island/#comment-393416

    Andreas K. said:

    What I’m going to say now is mean. If the witness reports AaronZ mentions can be trusted (personally I don’t put much stock into eye witness accounts, if you have 10 eye witnesses, you have 10 different stories), then this man is a hero. He weeded out the gene pool and removed several future Blairs, Browns, Balkenendes, Merkels, Faymanns and Barrosos.

    “Oh they were children!” The Hitler Youth were also children. Didn’t stop them from killing Soviet POWs in the so called “Rabbit Hunt of the Mühlviertel”. The students murdering and torturing “counter-revolutionists” and “dissidents” with Mao’s approval were also kids. Just because they’re children doesn’t mean they can’t be lured to the dark side.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/80-children-slaughtered-on-utoya-island/#comment-393417

    Andreas K. said:

    Your idols, that’s Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. Want to go into how many people they murdered for the “greater good”?

    Mao… 70 million dead Chinese. After his death they introduced a one child policy that has since murdered another 15 million baby girls simply because they were girls. Where’s your outcry there?

    Oh wait, it was for the “greater good”.

    Well, then I say weeding out potential future marxists is also for the “greater good”.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/80-children-slaughtered-on-utoya-island/#comment-393599

    Andreas K. said:

    Now I’m supposed to feel sorry for an additional 80 dead kids in Norway? Are you real?

    To hell with Norway. The shooter only did abortions. Post-partum abortions. It’s the same, yes it is.

    And, on this thread he “swears” he will go on a shooting spree.

    But yes, let’s continue to allow would-be mass murderers like this f*&kwad to comment here.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    WTF, Jim?

  • StrangernFiction

    He made no pretense about what he was going to do and his record was there chin was held high for all to see.

  • bg

    ++

    S. Wolf #99 February 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    just a sample:

    THE GOOD SAMARITAN: JEWISH PRAISE FOR POPE PIUS XII

    [“Adherents of all creeds and parties will recall how Pius XII faced the responsibilities of his exalted office with courage and devotion,” declared the Jewish Chronicle in London on October 10. “Before, during, and after the Second World War, he constantly preached the message of peace. Confronted by the monstrous cruelties of Nazism, Fascism, and Communism, he repeatedly proclaimed the virtues of humanity and compassion.”

    In the Canadian Jewish Chronicle (October 17), Rabbi J. Stern recalled that Pius XII “made it possible for thousands of Jewish victims of Nazism and Fascism to be hidden away…” In the November 6 edition of the Jewish Post in Winnipeg, William Zukerman, the former American Hebrew columnist, wrote that no other leader “did more to help the Jews in their hour of greatest tragedy, during the Nazi occupation of Europe, than the late Pope.”

    Representatives of the World Jewish Congress, American Jewish Congress, American Jewish Committee, Synagogue Council of America, New York Board of Rabbis, the Anti-Defamation League, Massachusetts Board of Rabbis, Rabbinical Council of America, National Council of Jewish Women, and the Union of American Hebrew Congregations also gracefully eulogized Pope Pius XII. The Chief Rabbis of London, Rome, Jerusalem, France, Egypt, Argentina and many other Jewish newspapers also paid tribute to the late Pope.

    How do Pius XII’s detractors explain these many statements of praise from Jews? They prefer to ignore them. Any acknowledgment of these tributes immediately undermines the case against him.]

    why is this being rehashed again?? *sigh*

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    re: #107 February 4, 2012 at 6:21 pm bg

    July 7, 2010

    ‘Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews’

    [Hesemann said that Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli – the future Pius XII – wrote
    a letter on November 30, 1938, urging Catholic archbishops throughout the
    world to apply for visas for “non-Aryan Catholics” and Jewish converts to
    Christianity who wanted to flee Germany.

    According to Hesemann, there is evidence that the visas would have been
    given to ordinary Jews and that the terms “converted Jews” and “non-Aryan
    Catholics” were a cover to prevent the Nazis from discovering the true
    purpose of the visas.

    Elliot Hershberg, the chairman of the Pave the Way Foundation, was quoted
    in the Daily Telegraph report saying: “We believe that many Jews who were
    successful in leaving Europe may not have had any idea that their visas and
    travel documents were obtained through these Vatican efforts. Everything
    we have found thus far seems to indicate the known negative perception of
    Pope Pius XII is wrong.”
    ]

    How Pius XII Protected Jews

    [“We share the grief of the world over the death of His Holiness Pius XII.
    . . . During the ten years of Nazi terror, when our people passed through
    the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the
    persecutors and to commiserate with their victims” (Golda Meir, Israeli
    representative to the U.N. and future prime minister of Israel).

    “With special gratitude we remember all he has done for the persecuted
    Jews during one of the darkest periods in their entire history” (Nahum
    Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress).

    “More than anyone else, we have had the opportunity to appreciate the
    great kindness, filled with compassion and magnanimity, that the Pope
    displayed during the terrible years of persecution and terror” (Elio Toaff,
    Chief Rabbi of Rome, following Rabbi Zolli’s conversion).

    Finally, let us conclude with a quotation from Lapide’s record that was
    not given at the death of Pius XII, but was given after the War by the
    most well-known Jewish figure of this century, Albert Einstein: “Only the
    Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up
    till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great
    admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle
    for spiritual truth and moral liberty.”]

    ==

  • Taqiyyotomist #104

    My, my. I had no idea Andreas K. was like that, a la Lonny Jones, had I known of those comments I wouldn’t have responded to him.

    bg #107

    re why is this being rehashed again??

    I’m not rehashing it, as I understand it A. Hitler set up a Reich Church and many in it were drawn from the established Christians both Protestant and Catholic.

  • bg

    ++

    S. Wolf #109 February 4, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    or so it appeared anyways..

    ==

  • bg #110

    Sorry for the appearance. I was thinking more about the Reich church, that’s why I posted the bit about A.H.’s war on Christianity re The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian, and assuming a parallel between Hussein and Hitler. Rehashing the view that German Christians were pro-Nazi was not my intent and I am sure many of the pictures Nazi photos link were coerced poses, i.e. fear for their congregation’s safety if they did not show public support for the Nazis.

  • Pingback: Democrat Party Is Losing Christian Voters in Droves Thanks To Barack Obama | FavStocks()

  • Pingback: Outrage!… Military Tells Chaplains What They Can and Can’t Say About Obama Administration’s Assault on Religion()

  • thegoldman

    He wants to do the same thing that Hugo Chávez did in Venezuela !

    Down with Religion any way he can..

    Than he will have an easier time being a Dictator.

    obama dreams of being the king of America !

    We can’t let that happen…

  • RKflorida

    Military chaplains – this is not a “Catholic” issue. It impacts all religions. The text doesn’t match the title of the story.

  • RKflorida

    BTW the forced abortion drug financing portion of this may not effect “protestant” religions, but is certainly impacts Independent Baptists. The only choice is to hire only women faithful to your religion, and if they try to force you to pay for these services ex-communicate them in the case of the Catholics. Throw them out of the church in the case of other religions.

  • Just Da Facts

    DoD Sec. Panetta: American Citizens can be Executed without Due Process by Obama’s Order Alone

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1720/611/Leon_Panetta_s_explicitly_authoritarian_decree.html

    “Those who would give up Essential Liberty
    to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
    deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    Ben Franklin

  • Pingback: Homepage()

  • Jenny Streater

    The reason there are Chaplians in the military is so that members can practice their religion and their beleifs while serving, therefor, they need to be able to preach the beleifs they stand for. This left wing radical administration is horrid and ruining our country. They need to go soon!

  • Jenny

    This country was founded by those escaping religious persecution.

  • Pingback: Obamacare’s Anti-Catholic Provision is Pure Marxist-Leninism | Rogue Government()

  • Pingback: ace confirms obama has gone crazy « rumcrook()

  • Pingback: Jesus Lives! » Blog Archive » On the Church, the Military, and the Descent into Tyranny()