Mitt Romney: “I’m Not Concerned About the Very Poor” (Video)

Ouch.
This will come back and haunt Mitt.

CNN reported:

After winning the Florida primary, GOP presidential nominee hopeful Mitt Romney explains to CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien that he is focused on a particular portion of the American population in his campaign.

Romney says, “I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs a repair , I’ll fix it. I’m not concerned about the very rich…. I’m concerned about the very heart of America, the 90-95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling.”

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  • More Liberty

    This guy’s an idiot. I’ll vote, but only for congressional seats if he’s the nominee. My conscious can’t allow me to vote for another liberal, one that’s an opportunist and big government advocate like Obama. Rombama will continue to increase the debt, bailout big corporations, and screw the individual with oppressive laws like the NDAA.

    You neocons have fun with this ass-hat.

  • tim

    With the context being…”We have a safety net there.”

    Not a fan of Mitt, but c’mon Jim. Feel like I stumbled upon the Huffington Post.

  • RedBeard

    Oh, joy. More Liberty, helping Obama get 4 more years, and insulting people on this board along the way with the ridiculous “neocon” nonsense.

    If Obama wins because people like More Liberty stay home to pout, it will be a sad day in America.

  • Multitude

    Please back off Mitt. He understands he has a very difficult fence to straddle in order to become the primary candidate but ensure a loss again to Obama. These words weren’t intended for us, but rather to provide help for the Obama campaign in the fall, ensuring they’ll rally the poor exclusively to vote Obama.

    I know the hundreds of millions of dollars, the dozens of homes, the cool parties certainly has a little bit of a comforting effect, but can you imagine being paid to be a perennial loser like Mitt? I mean, in business you were known as a Daddy’s Boy who got to sit on committees but was never taken seriously. In government, you got your ass kicked in dozens of failed elections only to finally be given it once… and be thrown out as the 2nd most hated governor at the end of your term. Even worse, this was when you acted as a Democrat so the people would like you.

    Mitt’s not likeable. He’s awkward, socially removed, and completely not resonating with normal people who weren’t trust fund beneficiaries sent to elite private schools and socialized with only children of proper breeding. Give the guy a break for at least being driven to do the job the Republican progressives have hired him to do.

  • RedBeard

    Mitt spoke clumsily, but he was perfectly correct.

    If Jim is merely saying that the leftie media will take a part of Mitt’s comment out of context, well, that’s a given. They will be lying from now until November.

  • elhrac

    Worst. Candidate. Ever.

  • elhrac

    There is nothing out of context. The man is speaking from the heart- like when he said he likes to fire people.

  • NeoKong

    Poor….?
    Who the hell are the poor?
    “Poor” people live like kings here in America. They don’t know what real poverty is like.
    Mitt is right.
    They get free food. Free housing. Free medical care and spending money.
    Let me tell you about the “poor”

    They’re fat.
    They have big screen TVs, Ipods, Iphones and $200 sneakers.
    Not bad for being “poor”.

  • CT

    An impolitic utterance to say the least, maybe Mitt needs a teleprompter. 😉

  • lily

    Mitt spoke clumsily

    Yes, he does this a lot. He often speaks so gracelessly, it leaves you wondering how he managed to be so successful in business. Likely due to connections rather than business genius.

  • Sasja

    I see. The poor can stay poor.

    I vote for the poor being able to move into the middle class and, who knows may even become “rich” someday. That used to be how it worked in this country. In fact, Mitten’s own family was not rich at one point. I remember reading how there were times his grandfather had no money at all. I guess he doesn’t care about securing an economic policy that would allow those who are now in a similar situation work their way out.

    Yep. He’s a lib.

  • Sasja

    Of course, I will say, that the poor didn’t have it as good as they do today, which was an incentive to work their way out of that situation.

  • mamagriz68

    And if he were Rick Perry, he would be crucified for this and many of the other gaffes he has had. In context, it makes sense, but Obama and his cronies don’t care about context. They want sound bytes, and Mitt keeps delivering. We are going to see the ugliest campaign this year, and we most likely will have a candidate who will only attack Republicans and not Obama. We had a perfect opportunity to shut down the Dems this year, and we just couldn’t do it, could we?

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  • bear

    Words fail……and so will romney.

  • retire05

    You want to know who the “poor” are treated in this country? Well, let me tell you.

    Jim Hoft knows I spent two years in MS after Katrina hit as a volunteer. Maybe he will want to attest to that, or not, really doesn’t matter. I can’t tell you how many FEMA trailers I was at that had TVs so large in them that I don’t know how anyone got them in, or brand new SUVs (Hummers, especially) parked outside. I can’t tell you how many times I went to buy groceries, that I was paying for myself, standing in line behind someone who was carrying a Coach or Gucci handbag only to watch them pull their FEMA card out and pay for their grociers.

    Drive through any housing project in America. What will you see? Certainly vehicles newer than mine. Take a look at the athletic shoes on their kids feet. Can you afford Air Jordans or equvilant? Or you even aware that on the TANF card, some states even allow the “poor” to buy furniture on them, or use them as a debit card for cash? How do you think they manage to get large screened TV? YOU.

    Mitt might have said it differently. But the “poor” here live better than many of the so-called middle class. They have free homes, free food, free utilities, free cable, free medical care and yes, even free cell phones.

    What was down is now up. People who screw up their lives, don’t finish high school, which is free, and basically become bums, are now rewarded with a “safety net” that you pay for. With such a system, why should anyone worry about the poor?

  • Carbon Pootprint

    McCain Part II

    Looking like no matter what happens we’ll end up with a lying progressive douche bag as our next President.

    ppppssssst Progressives (on both sides) caused this meltdown on purpose.

  • Big Al

    you are really grasping at straws now…good grief

  • olm

    Oh for Pete’s sake, I’m no fan but he’s right.
    Look, people in this country have no idea who the very poor are. Just like the OWS’ers have no idea who the 1% are.
    We live off the northern 1/2 of I5. When a poster yesterday said that CA has a 1/3 of the nations welfare recipients…………well that could be but in the summer the homeless migrate up I5 and panhandle in OR and WA. The regulars at our freeway exit make about 300/day and they stay in a nearby hotel for about 30/night.
    My point is that these people are not even close to being the very poor. Or maybe they are, I don”t even know. But if they vote, none of the issues Mitt is talking about affect them. Except if the economy improves, they will make more in a day.

  • Jim W

    I know your man lost Jim, but you’re really stretching it here.

  • retire05

    #11, Sasja, being “poor” is a personal decision. There are ways to get out of being “poor”. You can get a free GED in almost every community. You can take a job at Mickey D’s to get some work experience. Community colleges, located in every community in the U.S. offer tuition based on a sliding scale. Some even go for free. You can not do drugs, drink yourself in to a stupor, not have kids you can’t afford. You don’t have to stay “poor” in this nation.

    But leeching off the productive in this nation is much easier than doing what it takes to get out of poverty. LBJ was wrong. And that has been proven. The government can’t be a replacement for family and faith.

  • Multitude

    retire05: I’m with you on your observations. We live in one of Iowa’s least populated counties, which has a profound number of “poor” that receive extensive government assistance, food stamp cards, disability payments, etc. One former neighbor would walk in town with a cane, a crippled 35-year-old living on government disability, but was always available for cash hire to put up truck loads of hay (something that’d give many middle aged guys a heart attack). Every day at the small town grocery store check-out line, I watch our “poor” buy frozen pizzas, TV dinners, etc. with their food stamp card (i.e. Our Money) and then buy Iowa Lotto tickets, smokes, beer and a movie rental with their cash.

    We’re still on our 25″ tube TV given as a Christmas present 8 years ago; my “poor” minimum wage employee neighbor down the road has a wall mounted plasma, two snow machines, two ATVs, three pickups and vacations in Wyoming for at least 8 weeks of the year. As a middle class professional, my 10 days of vacation are exhausted doing things like going to the county courthouse or USDA since these public “servants” only work when I’m at work, and their ever increasing regulations force me to have to deal with them.

    How soon can we throw these parasites out? All of them.. Mittens and his rich elites, the extremely overpaid and underworked government, and the lazy lower class that lives a lifestyle we can’t afford.

  • Bill Mitchell

    Well clearly what he means is that the very poor have a safety net already and they don’t need additional help. Just poor choice of words. However, the very poor were never going to vote for Romney anyway.

  • valerie

    I dunno, it doesn’t get much poorer than “unemployed.” I thought that was our most pressing problem, which was unsuccessfully addressed by The Stimulus.

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/01/tp-lower-turnout-surprising-since-gop-has/

    “Sam Popkin is a political science professor at UC San Diego. He is the author of the forthcoming book “The Candidate: How to Win — and Hold — the White House.” This is his view on the Florida primary, provided to U-T San Diego:”

    **************

    This guy is obviously not a Republican, so he lacks a LOT of context in his remarks. Still, it’s clear that the people who think they are the elites of the party have made a mistake.

    **************

    “Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, got literally the same total last time as Paul and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum this time. There’s a group that is not part of the national mainstream in Florida and it’s a stable size.”

    “The turnout was 1.6 million. The turnout in 2008 was 1.9 million. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney got 600,000 votes last time and 750,000 this time. His vote went up substantially, but the whole party’s vote went down.” …

    “I think the most interesting thing that’s happened in the last two weeks is the decision for party elites to go after somebody with a following. They seldom go out in public the way they have gone after Newt. The Republicans had their congressional retreat last weekend and one of the big subjects was how he would take them down. Newt would be their disaster and particularly with conservative women.”

    **************

    This last, that Newt would be a disaster with conservative women is an excuse offered by the party, not the truth. Newt did very well with conservative women in SC. Further, Newt was not attacked on the basis of what conservative women would be expected to object to. He was attacked based on and unrelated set of misrepresentations about his history. He was attacked on the basis of a pack of lies the Republican “leaders” should have known were lies, ginned up by the Democrats.

    Republicans who buy into a narrative written for them by Democrats have a name, and it is LOSERS.

  • #1AMERICAN

    Multitude & retire05………

    exactly…but they also supplement their free handouts by dealing drugs…let’s not kid ourselves…

  • elhrac

    I cannot in good conscience vote for this bastard, even if the alternative is Hussein Obama.

  • Liz

    No nonsense, and the guy knows his facts. Not a panderer like the Grinch. Yesterday’s victory was one giant step closer to national solvency.

    Besides, clearly he believes in charitable giving and that individuals and private churches are better equipped to care for their needy. The federal government uses it as an excuse for waste and fraud. Tea Partiers unite!

  • Liz

    Meanwhile, Newt is out there searching everywhere for his sacred honor that he pledged to offer up. Callista hasn’t seen it either, apparently.

  • retire05

    Valerie, you just don’t get it, yet, do you?

    People are not excited about this election. Why should they be? The Tea Partiers/9-12 groups marched, they protested, they attended town hall meetings, they wrote/called/emailed their Congress critters and after the November, 2010 elections, they went back to doing what ever they were doing before they started being vocal.

    The 2010 elections were just one in a long list of battles that needed to be fought, but you would have thought we won the war. We didn’t. Those groups, that held so much sway, never offered candidates that were core conservatives that we could get behind. Oh, we had one, just one, who believed in the 4th and 10th Amendments, who has been fighting the federal leviathan in his own state, who actually knew that you cannot over regulate a nation and still have job creation, and what happened to him? Because he was not the valedictorian from the Dale Carnegie School of Public Speaking, he was ridiculed and ignored by the very media that you rail against. People spun lies about what he had actually accomplished and accused him of things for which he was not guilty.

    Now, you have a choice between a loser and a quitter. And you have no one but yourselves to blame. You see, the people you thought were on your side, they weren’t. They were on their side, picking and choosing a candidate for their own agenda and purposes.

  • Conservative to the Core

    The more you see of R-money the less you like him. Feb . . . Mar . . . Apr . . .

  • Liz

    I’m very poor, and I’ll vote for Mitt. I was very rich under Bush, and now Obama has really done a number on our family. I’m definitely not making an emotion-driven vote this time. I need the right skill set. Romney is the only candidate with a verifiably debt free campaign. THAT’S the skill set I’m after this cycle.

    Grinch is one giant ball of uncontrollable emotion and bombast. Yikes. No thank you.

  • Conservative to the Core

    Hmmm . . . Michele Bachmann is supposedly endorsing R-money.

  • retire05

    #25, I know that a lot of people complain that there are no jobs. There are jobs, but these are not the jobs that people think they deserve. Why take a minimum wage job that requires you to dig ditches all day when you can sit in the comfort of public housing, drinking tea and watching Oprah? That kind of ambition, and personal responsibility, has been bred out of Americans, and it happened in just two generations.

  • Kate

    Mitt is right. We do have a safety net for the poor, as it should be. The middle class gets killed all the time. What about this isn’t true? How about a little honesty here? I’m disappointed with the Romney bashing here. Let’s make the comments about the candidates accurate. It’s this kind of stuff that IMO has hurt Gingrich. He’s been dishonest in his attacks.

  • Sparky

    Notice how Romney makes so many mistakes when he speaks off the cuff and not from a script.

    And, he used a teleprompter to give his speech after winning Florida.

    Tell me again how Romney is any different than Obama!

  • southernsue

    i will vote whoever will be on the gop ticket.

    obama needs to go, if he is re-elected the US is toast!

    mitt has roots and family in this country, so he has a steak in America, i believe he loves his country.

    obama has no family and no steak in this country. he is hell bound on breaking America up!

    i’m not sure who i am for on the republican side, however, my gop vote is secure!

    get ride of the commies that are in the White House that are stealing us blind!

  • Zim

    You guys who will not vote for Mitt if he wins and you help elected Obama are idiots. You are worse than Mitt and Obama both.

    Yes Mitt is not perfect. None of them are but we can’t let Obama, a committed marxist stay in power. He doesn’t care about congress anyway. He as been going around them. Wake up!!!

  • Sparky

    #31 Liz:

    It is thinking like yours that is going to re-elect Obama.

    What evidence do you have to back up your assertion that Romney will have a debt free campaign? What does a debt free campaign have to do with governing by Conservative principles?

    What ill-infomed logic and an absolutely unbelievable reason for voting for anyone!

    Romney has NOT stated exactly how he will govern because he does not want to be held accountable. He will govern whichever way gives him the most power and votes.

    Gingrich, on the other hand, has stated exactly what he will do on the first day in office.

    Liz, listen to the candidates message and for God’s sake do some thinking!

  • StrangernFiction

    Those poor folks are perfectly happy on the dole. They don’t want a better job, or a job period, they just want a gubmint handout. And that’s exactly how I want them to feel.

    Yeah, that Romney is a real genuine conservative all right.

    RIP GOP!

  • Gary

    Yeah, come on.
    You gotta wanna bruise Romney pretty badly to crop a headline like this.

    If he’d said, “we have a safety net for the poor, so I’m not worried about them” there’d be no headline. This is opportunistic.

    Why not crop they sound byte where he said “Obama is the president for you” (if you like….)

  • Gary

    #38
    Correction.
    Gingrich stated exactly what he would do on his first day in office.
    The bulk of it pre-supposed a Republican Senate. That hurdle has yet to be crossed.

    I should think with a Republican Senate and House, any of our candidates could do many great things.

  • Sparky

    George Soros has endorsed Romney because he sees no political difference between Romney and Obama.

    Romney is a self-declared RINO. He stands for higher taxes, bailouts, TARP, abortion, big government, and is the author of ObamaCare!

    Romney is a Wall Street insider and will do nothing but babysit the rot in Washington because the elites do not want any restraints on their crony capitalism.

    Go ahead and vote for Romney and get another 4 years of Obama.

    You think America is suffering now. Wait to see it after Obama is done.

  • Gary

    And of course, by the same token, if we don’t win back the Senate, you can count on 4 years of Harry Reid blocking every single thing we want to see done, regardless whether its president Romney or president Gingrich.

  • Gary

    Sparky
    Again, since when do we seek validation from the left. Do you seriously think Soros was being open and honest when he said that, with no agenda.
    Here is a guy who admits that he enjoys taking down entire nations’ economies. He does that by saying one thing publicly and doing something very different with his vast wealth through numerous channels privately.
    I said it before. What if we go to a prison in Georgia and interview 100 convicted murderers, rapists, and pedophiles saying they support Gingrich? What would it prove? Nothing.

  • mackykam

    Does anyone out there realize that Romney is a GRACELESS person?

    A candidate needs to display a common touch. I do not find him inspiring.
    Nor do I find the other GOP candidates particularly inspiring, either.

    We have a possibly great candidate who engages his mouth before his brain is in gear;
    an anti-semite and racist whose newslettersare now been proven to have been signed off on personally, and a conservative whose lack of charisma and articulation keeps him from catching fire with the public.

    Years ago the public schools taught elocution, debating skills, latin…all have gone the way of penmanship classes. Learning elocution and debating skills helped people discern the real from the phoney. Speech and language tricks were more readily noticeable. That is why they dumbed down the students and the teachers, as well.

    If you ever get a chance look up the high school graduation tests given for a diploma back at the turn of the 20th century. Most college students today would flunk them. And probably many PHD’s as well.

    And that is why America is getting the candidates it does: it isn’t deserving of better because it doesn’t require any better.

    And that makes me very, very sad.

  • Gary

    Sparky
    Also, your “four more years of Obama” is unfounded.

    Realclearpolitics.com’s most recent polling averages show Obama and Romney in a statistical tie (Obama +2.2), while Obama Gingrich is shows Obama winning by 12.3%:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_gingrich_vs_obama-1453.html

    That’s not me saying it, or any one poll, its an average of all the polls.

  • Gary

    Mackykam 45

    Yes. I agree.
    The problem is we are now down to Romney and Gingrich. One guy who will likely win against Obama, and one guy who will likely lose.

    When has Newt ever been riding high and not stepped in it really badly? He’s done it over and over for decades. And with almost a year til the election, there are just too many opportunities for him to lose his temper and say the wrong thing, losing us the critical last few percentile.
    Romney on the other hand, what he lacks in a human touch, makes up for in cold calculated language. He’s hard to trip up and nothing you throw at him really sticks. In that way alone I’ll concede he is like Obama (except that Obama makes gaffes all the time that aren’t covered by the msm), and it will make it very hard for Obama to come after him.

    Add to that, Romney has no personal family/sex scandals to make hay off like Gingrich does. If Gingrich possibly did win this nomination, it would six straight months of sex scandal commercials. Go back and look at the history of sex scandal candidates in either party. They don’t fare well.

  • retire05

    I see RedState has jumped on this quote by Romney, as well. Of course, Erickson spins it just as Hoft did.

    What Romney said was true. The “poor” have a safety net. It’s called “the taxpayer.” But Erickson and Hoft had jumped solidly in the Gingrich camp. Notice they never mentioned the gaffes made by Gingrich or how Gingrich basically called Romney a liar. Just report all the bad stuff on Romney to demonize him while giving Gingrich as pass, not only on his past, but on what he has been saying lately. So how are Erickson and Hoft spinning any differently than those in the Romney camp?

    And me, with no candidate to support that is part of the last men standing, think about how all of us have been sold out by the talking heads.

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  • StrangernFiction

    You hear that very poor folks, you aren’t the heart of America and you aren’t struggling. You may believe otherwise. You may feel badly that you are dependent on the government, but I’m here to tell you that there is no reason to feel bad about that. Listen to my words, you are fine.

  • Kate

    #37, “You guys who will not vote for Mitt if he wins and you help elected Obama are idiots. You are worse than Mitt and Obama both.

    Yes Mitt is not perfect. None of them are but we can’t let Obama, a committed marxist stay in power. He doesn’t care about congress anyway. He as been going around them. Wake up!!!”

    I couldn’t agree more.

  • jorgen

    He is a socialist so he wants the poor to stay dependable of the state.

  • valerie

    Oh, surprise, surprise, surprise!

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-warns-fall-romney-smear-machine/352831

    “The Obama-Biden reelection campaign, which just announced it banked $224 million in 2011, is stepping up fundraising as it steels for an expected fall “smear” machine from GOP front-runner Mitt Romney.”

    “In an email to supporters this morning, Obama campaign manager Jim Messina warned that the Republicans will have a fat bank account to tap for negative ads, something both Romney and Newt Gingrich did in Florida.”

    ” “They’re going to try to spend and smear their way to the White House,” Messina said about Republican groups and candidates.” ”

    ********************

    Romney has given them a character issue that has won many elections for them in the past.

  • burt

    McCain never ran for President. Like a good little boy he campaigned for Obama. Romney is another “good little boy”, campaigning for Obama. The death of the Republican Party is a very good thing! It can’t happen too soon.

    My aside for history. The head of the Military-Industrial Complex was Dwight David Eishehower. He was the Military and his golfing friends were the Industrial part. They made big bucks with him in charge.

  • Multitude

    #1AMERICAN commented:
    >but they also supplement their free handouts by dealing drugs

    We should also not forget the massive cash economy, driven by government bribes to the tax-free 50% (as long as you don’t show a certain level of income on paper) and increased regulation on employers. Nearly every contractor job in our rural parts is paid to a contractor who has people working for cash. We had a new water line installed from a well to a workshop and greenhouse and the plumber contractor had 5 guys assisting, being paid cash. Each of them is a known public assistance type with no job and plenty of economic assistance. They show no income each year and are part of Barack Obama’s 40% on CHIP, energy assistance for power bills, etc. I’d estimate they make well over $40K/year tax free, and add to that the $39K models estimate as approximate government assistance benefits. All tax free.

    retire05: you’re right that there’s no reason to play by these rules and be forced to vote between two flavors of elite-enabling, parasite-enabling special interest owned parties. I think 2008’s rejection of McCain and 2010’s message were sufficient to constitute duty and best efforts to reform. The Republican party needs to be shuttered now. Let Romney prevail and fail. At some point, the American people (including the parasites) have to decide to stand up with us, or it falls into economic collapse and tyranny. It’d seem that getting their attention that their subsidized tax-free cash economy life is killing the nation may be necessary if the country is to be saved.

  • Jesse

    Mitt was right, but spoke way too vaguely, and now gave the MSM a soundbite that can sink him.

    His point was that the “very poor”, aka non-working welfare recipients, have a “safety net”, aka state benefits and entitlements, already in place. He’s stressing the importance of helping the middle class, aka the working poor, who are finding it tougher and tougher under Democratic rule to avoid slipping into total dependence on the state.

  • Jim W

    That’s right don’t consider the possiblity of Romney. Take your ball and go home. You’ll fix ’em.

  • valerie

    #29 February 1, 2012 at 9:12 am
    retire05 commented:

    Oh, I get it, all right. You’ve been running around telling people that you had a husband that cheated on you, and when that wasn’t enough to sway people, you personally started quoting the same lies, many of them founded on lies originally told by Democrats, as Mitt Romney.

    I get it.

    Republicans who buy into lies told by Democrats, and by Mitt Romney, are LOSERS. Romney has handed the Democrats a classic Republicans are nasty liars campaign meme, and it will be effective. You can see it in those 300,000 missing votes in Florida.

  • Ron?

    A lot of rOBAMAneyites on this board today. rOBAMAney will lose to Toonces, and not because people on our side will not vote. We’re talking about a losesr (rOBAMAney) who lost the nomination in 2008 to a loser (McCain) who lost the 2008 presidential election. McCain has endorsed the guy who lost the nomination to him (rOBAMAney). Some of you damned people (espescially you rOBAMAneyites) are seriously stuck on stupid. rOBAMAney 2012. Really? What does he have to run against Obama with? An R in front of his name? The silly bastard won’t admit that his MassHealth law (the blueprint of Obamacare) was a slap in the face of true conservatives. Do you imbecilic rOBAMAneyites honestly think that rOBAMAney will repeal ObamaCare? Do you think that rOBAMAney is truly Prolife? Do you honestly believe that rOBAMAney would sappoint conservative justices to the S.C.O.T.U.S.? If you do then you’re stupider than I thought. Being ignorant is excusable, being stupid is unfathomable and unforgivable.

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  • doc

    Gotcha…..not! A taken out of context statement which I’m surprised this site is furthering. He said that because he believes there are already programs in place to help the really desperate poor…he went on the explain what he meant…stop being Newt’s bitch!

  • Gary

    I’m glad to see other people saw this for what it was, so enough said.

    On the point of smear campaigns, think back to a presidential campaign that didn’t get nasty. Go ahead. Name one.

    If you start with Obama in 2008, you’ll soon find yourself reading all they way back to JQ Adams and Andrew Jackson.

    Once the founding fathers’ generation left power, the era of the professional politician and campaign tactics was born. Happens every time, and will continue to happen.

    Like two 5-year-olds agreeing to have a civilized discussion on who gets the last cookie. It just can’t stay civil. Everybody wants the cookie really, really badly.

  • Mama Grizzly

    This board is increasingly populated by paid trolls.

    Big Bad Romney, huh?

    Pfeff.

    Rally against the threat to Obama the Tyrant. Oppose all opposition to the Master.

    Listen: the goal–DEFEAT OBAMA.

    These newcomer posers can’t even write in the correct voice. They are really poor imitators of conservatives,

    Romney is WAY better than Obismal.

    We don’t need perfect. We need electable. We need Obama OUT.

    Don’t be influenced by these morons trying to divide the good guys.

  • wtd

    Mitt Romney 2012: “I’m Not Concerned About the Very Poor”

    Lest anyone forget . . .
    Mitt Romney in ’08: “I’m not concerned about the voters” response to Tim Russert during ’08 debate in Florida.

    Recognize a pattern here yet?

  • Gary

    Ron?

    What you said is exactly backwards.
    Being stupid is excusable, being ignorant is unfathomable and unforgivable.

    People don’t have a choice about being stupid. They’re born that way.
    Being ignorant in a more-or-less free country is the result of one’s choices.
    And with stakes, this high, I agree, it’s inexcusable (unless you plan to stay home on election day, in which case, by all means don’t bother to learn a thing. You’d probably have voted for Obama anyway).

  • Gary

    Mama Grizzly
    Happy to find we’re agreeing again.
    I hadn’t considered the possibility of poseurs here, but now that you mention it, these are a lot new usernames I’m seeing.
    Interesting.

  • Mama Grizzly

    I agree with #60.

    It’s probably no more than Geller likes Newt, Hoft
    likes Geller, so…

    Let’s stay with the ship
    Ok Capt’n Jim?

    Romney isn’t “worried” about the poor because safety nets are in place. It’s the middle class that’s being destroyed so Obismal can create an adequate class warfare structure to promote his style of communism.

    It’s really gone to his head that he’s Malcolm Xs son. I say big deal. He’s just a criminal and a dictator and a disgrace to his father. At least Mslcolm became a better person as he got older.

  • Gary

    wtd63

    good grief.
    You’re just doubling down and making the point.
    That was yet another word play game.
    “not concerned about the voters” “concerned about the guys on the stage”
    pretty obvious he meant the other candidates would try to use the numbers in a political ad, whereas he wasn’t concerned that the voters would care about the numbers.

    Geez.

    Do you really want so desperately to drag Gingrich over the finish line in April that you’d post that misleading ad? Or here’s a better question:

    Do you really think Romney, who put millions of his own money into the campaign, who is very careful with his language, decided this televised debate would be the perfect time to announce that he couldn’t care less about the voters (the thing this ad attempts to imply)?

    Grow up.

  • Patty

    This is why Gingrich, Santorum Surging in Midwest

  • Mama Grizzly

    Silly little #63:

    Out of context AGAIN? Was that the assignment of the day?

    Media was attacking Romney pretending to put forth a “concern” from voters–to which Romney replied “I’m not concerned with the voters …”

    Stupid choice and pathetic try #63. You lose. Even by the video you yourself picked to illustrate the “earth shattering” comment.

  • Ron?

    #61 Gary: I don’t give a damned what he said or that it was taken out of context and niether do conservatives. That’s to be expected from the left and their MSM cohorts whomever the R nominee is. The guy is no different from Obama. He is a lib N.E.R. and establishment R. He is going to lose to Obama if he gets the Republican Nomination. He will lose because even the Dems know he is not a true conservative. He is a Vichy Republican. That hermaphroditic Tammy Faye wannabe dude Georgette at the RNC told us who our nominee was going to be so we should all just sit down, be quiet and vote however Georgette and his compatriots at the RNC tell us to. The only Republicans that will be bothered by this statement are Georgette and his ilk at the RNC. Remember, we have to have a moderate Republican to win against Toonces. Just like our moderate nominee won against him in ’08. Oh, wait. That’s right , the other guy won. Who’d a’ thunk it? Our partry is so screwed right now. Thanks rOBAMAneyites. And **** you too.

  • Skip

    I’m not a big Romney fan, but c’mon Jim, you’re doing the Obama camp’s work for them.

    Breaking AP News: “Rich Romney Hates Poor People!!!”

  • Mama Grizzly

    #65: the Left uses social norms, Alinsky style, to subvert.

    Nobody expects “double agents” on the boards so it’s pretty easy pickings.

    The only hope Obismal has us to divide the base. The majority of voters don’t like fighting and fighting, so expect the message to be just that from the Obamists: “Obama the uniter” or some such tosh.

  • Patty

    There is a great dissatisfaction in one way or another with each candidate. Americans are unsure and this really could go on for a while. Romney really got a big head about his win in Florida. You would have thought he had the whole thing sowed up.

    He is getting this go to his head. Grant it, Florida has a winner take all delegates but that doesn’t mean winner of all the states.

    Romney needs to step back and bring himself back down to earth.

  • Multitude

    Mama/62: It’s pretty repugnant to accuse those who disagree with you of being “paid trolls”, especially when your guy Romney is known to have hired social networking messaging teams to do just that. At a minimum, Romney’s doing the same thing (you could be accused of being on, in fact, though if you’re the same person by the same name that’s been on here before, I know you’ve been around for some time). Regardless, it’s a useless argument.

    What I don’t see being addressed is why Romney isn’t a catastrophic choice. What we’re going to get is 4 years of McCain. Romney’s actually probably the best candidate for my day job, since I work for a Fortune 250 financial firm. But four more years of entitlements for the elites, bailouts for the country clubbers, trickle down, shifting RomneyObamaCare from a Federal model to a state model, just leaves this country certain to reject all the Republicans in two years in Congress and throw in an even more radical lefty in four.

    I can’t stand Newt’s delusional ego. Santorum’s a social conservative/fiscal liberal. Paul’s a foreign policy fiasco. But this Republican party engineered this through it assassination politics. Do we want four more years of wimpy Boehner sitzpinkler moderate crap? If all a Romney vote will do is go the wrong direction 5 mph slower, we need to say no more to this progressive fraud perpetrated by both parties.

  • Ron?

    Gary: You have no idea who I am. I’ve been called a lot of things on this board, but as far as being an Obama supporter or for suggesting that I would vote for Obama or any other dem for that matter is way off base. I want the best man to take this country back from Obama and his minions. Unfortunatley rOBAMAney is not it. rOBAMAney is a Vichy Republican. If you need some help in figuring out what Vichy Republican means then look up the Vichy French on Wikipedia and you will know exactly why I call rOBAMAney a Vichy Republican and why I can’t vote for him in good conscience.

  • Mama Grizzly

    Romney Gingrich Santorum.

    Each one BETTER than Obismal.

    Don’t fight. Just say why you like one’s policies better than another’s. Make your arguments factual as you can.

    But know this: many of the voting machines come from Venezuela, so if there is a huge groundswell in the polls across the board for the GOP candidate, Obismal will be found out.

    Any of our GOP candidates is better than Steve, I mean Barry, I mean Barack.

  • Ron?

    Mama Griz: I’m surprised that you are supporting rOBAMAney. Sarah Palin has already come out against him. After all of your worship of the idea of her running and calling her the only true conservative undeclared candidate in this morass. What happened?

  • Mama Grizzly

    Um… leave troll outing to troll outers.

    Otherwise you’re going to tear each other up. It’s a science, and for me now, a hobby.

    Just get behind your candidates by stating the positives you believe in. The People are smart as a whole. In time they’ll see who would be best in this particular juncture.

    Sorry I can’t spend more time on this, but some are operatives and others are just enthusiastic supporters of their candidates.

  • bg

    ++

    OT..

    Orlando Florida – January 31, 2012

    Newt Gingrich: “We are Going to Contest Everyplace”

    transcript excerpts:

    [If — if Barack Obama gets re-elected, it will be a disaster for the United
    States of America. Make no bones about it. If he can have a record this
    bad, unemployment this bad, deficits this bad, policies this bad, gasoline
    prices this high, and still get re-elected, you can’t imagine how radical
    he’ll be in his second term.

    [..]

    In 1994, building on that experience, we got 350 candidates to come and to
    be part of a Contract with America, to stand on the Capitol steps. We offered
    a positive program, and we had the largest one-party increase in American
    history in an off-year. Nine million additional Americans voted for a positive
    vision, and we kept our word, and every item in the contract was voted on
    in the first 93 days.

    [..]

    So a couple more steps. We will on that day sign an executive order that will
    instruct the State Department that day to open the embassy in Jerusalem
    and recognize Israel.

    [..]

    GINGRICH: Give you just two more examples. I will sign on that day an
    executive order reinstating Ronald Reagan’s Mexico City policy. No U.S.
    money will go anywhere in the world to pay for abortion, period.

    And finally, many of you may have noticed that the Obama administration
    has declared war on the Catholic Church and other religious institutions. I
    want you to know that, on the very first day, I will sign an executive order
    repealing every anti-religious act of the Obama administration as of that
    moment.
    ]

    ==

  • Gary

    Ron?
    I love Sarah Palin too, but if you’ve listened to her, she hasn’t endorsed Gingrich. I’ll grant you that she does have a bee in her bonnet about Romney. But her statement on Gingrich, by her own words, was aimed at prolonging the process. That way, even if it is Romney (which it will be), then at least he’ll be properly vetted and innoculated against anything that was hammered out in the primary.

    Now as for Romney and the rOBAMAneyites, as clever as that moniker is, the fact is Romney is on course to win the nomination. At that time, you’ll have two choices, support him or don’t support him. I suspect you’ll support him, and that will make you a rOBAMAneyite too. The rest of us are just as conservative as you. We just realize that Romney has the best chance of winning and the best chance of beating Obama.
    Newt Gingrich has plenty of non-conservative behavior to harp on, but I get tired of repeating it all.

    The real conservatives in this race from day one were Bachmann and Santorum. Bachmann was drummed out over the most superficial reasons and Santorum has never polled over 15%. So you tell me, where are all the conservatives like yourself when it comes to supporting an actual conservative?

    The fact is we’re down to these two not-so-conservative finalists. One with a good chance of winning and one with a good chance of really blowing it. Stick with the sure loser if you must, but don’t attack other people’s conservatism for picking Romney over Gingrich. That’s just ridiculous.

  • retire05

    Why is GP, Dan Riehl and Legal Insurrection all providing fodder to David Axelrod? I thought the idea was to kick Obama out and put in a Republican. Guess not if it’s not the Republican some of you support.

    Jim, Dan and Professor Jacobson just wrote a campaign ad for Obama. Thanks, guys.

  • Ron?

    And MamaGriz; You are dead wrong. Santorum or Gingrich yes, rOBAMAney no. He is no better than Obama or the RNC Establishment. He is Obama with an R in front of his name. I lived in Mass. when he was Governor. I know how bad his economic policies in governance are. He says he governs from the right, but really governs from the left. Kind of like Obama campaigning from the center in ’08, but turning hard left after being elected. That’s a rOBAMANey presidency heading our way in 2013 if he gets the nomination and wins in 1080p resolution.

  • Gary

    Ron?

    Good grief. I wasn’t talking about “you” when I said “you”. That was “you” in the generic sense. I have no question about your conservatism.

    I was saying “anybody” who doesn’t bother to learn the facts should just as well stay home, because they’re more likely to vote for Obama.

    Hope that clears up the confusion.

  • Patty

    Apathy will be the legacy of Romney’s carpet bombing

    Mitt Romney had a strong win last night in Florida. There’s no way to spin it otherwise, just as there was no way to spin Newt’s South Carolina win otherwise.

    But at what cost?

    Financially the cost was about $17 million for Romney and his SuperPAC, almost entirely on negative ads. Of the $15 million in negative ads run by or for Romney, only one was positive, a radio ad in Spanish run only 15 times.

    Last night, Brit Hume described the win appropriately: “He beat Newt Gingrich by bombing him back into the stone age” with negative ads.

    Despite Romney’s apparently straight-faced yet completely false assertions that he tried to run a positive campaign and only went negative because Newt outspent him in South Carolina, Romney showed himself to be devoid of the ability to inspire the conservative base. Tellingly, turnout in Florida was down significantly from 2008; by contrast, in South Carolina turnout was up significantly.

    Romney’s dependency on carpet bombing also is not a winning strategy in the general election where Obama will have more money. As Mark Levin noted the other day:

    … while Romney can swamp his Republican opponents by 3 to 1 or more in every state with his spending advantage, Barack Obama will be raising more and spending more to beat him in the general election, meaning Romney’s financial advantage will be non-existent.

    Read more at link

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/02/apathy-will-be-the-legacy-of-romneys-carpet-bombing/

  • Gary

    Retire05
    Don’t sweat it. It’s nothing those guys wouldn’t think to do anyway. Better that it all makes a go-around now so it’ll be cold stew next time it’s tried.

  • retire05

    Gary, sorry to disagree with your list. You forgot to add Perry, who has actually governed from the far right. Pass sonogram laws that withstood a law suit and now requires women who are getting ready to kill their unborn to know what they are actually doing? Check. Sue the EPA over a violation of the Clean Air act that is preventing states from accessing their own natural resources? Check. Move his state farther into the red column? Check. Bring Hispanics, the fastest growing segment of our society into the red column? Check. Defend the 4th and 10th Amendments? Check. Keep unemployment down below national levels with a 10 year 20% increase in population? Check.

    Instead, we get half truths about Perry from those who are too damned ashamed of their own state to tell us what that state is.

    Perry was my first choice. Bachmann was my second. But the long knives couldn’t have true conservatives running because it would mean the end of the old D.C. two step. Now we have two candidates that I wouldn’t vote for if they were running for dog catcher.

  • Gary

    Patty
    That 17 mil spent by Romney put him in a position to get that much back and a lot more in the eyes of the big check-writers. Love or hate the strategy. that’s just the stark reality.
    Another point that I don’t see anybody making is that if Gingrich had had the 17 mil to spend in FL, he’d have done so.
    Newt can’t make use of Romney’s money any more than Romney can make use of Newt’s intellect and occasional charisma.
    That’s just the way it is. Play the hand you’re dealt.

  • retire05

    Patty, Professor Jacobson is suffering from a massive hangover since his newest chosen candidate lost badly yesterday. He was first a Palinista, then a Cainiac, now he’s a New Newtie.

    He sure can pick ’em.

  • bg

    ++

    2004: Mitt Romney Supported Radical Gay Group

    [One of the AAC’s more infamous publications is The Little Black Book, Queer in the 21st Century, which was published, as the booklet itself states, with assistance from Romney’s Department of Public Health. The booklet promotes the most perverse behavior, including “water sports,” “rimming” and “fisting.” It also lists local gay bars. Incredibly, this filth was distributed to public schools. In 2005, when some parents discovered the booklet was passed out at Brookline High, all hell broke loose. Apparently, some parents thought teaching their kids how to urinate on one another wasn’t a good idea. The controversy was covered by the Boston Globe and Romney was questioned by a reporter about it. He had little choice but to denounce The Little Black Book as “graphic pornographic material” that didn’t belong in the public schools.

    However, a year earlier, Romney’s own Department of Public Health assisted AAC with the publication of the booklet. Moreover, the AAC has always used graphic material in its publications, even during the time period it received $10,000 from Romney. It’s what AAC is known for. It is hard to believe Romney didn’t know this. Romney apologists will argue that AAC also worked to prevent AIDS, but it hard to see how a group that promotes such risky behaviors can do any good preventing AIDS.]

    isn’t that one of ex – Safe Schools Czar Kevin
    Jennings
    books?? maybe he didn’t know?? /s/

    ==

  • Gary

    Retire05
    we’ve been agreeing a lot lately.
    But I’m going to continue to disagree with you about Perry.

    Yes, he has gotten more conservative in recent years, but that in-state tuition for illegals is a burr in my saddle (in Perry talk). I just don’t know where he gets the gumption to first push for it, and second call me heartless for opposing it.

    Rebut that if you absolutely must, but we’ve been around on it so many times, i think we should have the lines memorized by now.

    Fine, add Perry to the list. And Cain too for that matter. He’s never said anything that I found particularly non-conservative. But now Gingrich is the hero of the self-proclaimed “true conservatives” and he actually admits to doing what Cain was drummed out for only being accused of doing.

  • Steve N

    “With the context being…”We have a safety net there.”

    Yes but in the fall, do you think MSM & Dems are going
    to include the context? If you do, I gotta bridge to sell..

  • Patty

    Which candidate has what it takes to beat Obama, the one with the most money? Obama will take the elections because he can outspend the others?

    The nominee needs to drill into the heads of the American voters that this president has outspent not just in the run for the White House but is out spending and any other president since in as been in Office and 5 Trillion is not chicken feed. He has bankrupted companies and is bankrupted the citizens of America.

    Where is this nation going when a Spender in Chief takes the tax payers money time and time again and spends it on pet project failures. As the unemployed are wondering if that $10.00 dollars in their pocket will pay for the gas for another interview for a job that doesn’t pan out.

    Struggling Americans have no idea what Obama is doing as they are just trying to keep their heads above water. Unimaginable that Americans won’t be paying attention this time around.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #89 February 1, 2012 at 11:58 am bg

    forgot to include ht Molon Labe..

    ==

  • Ron?

    # 80 Gary: You can keep following that train of thought if you want too. If rOBAMAney gets the nomination, he will lose to Obama in Nov. Fall in line like the rest of the sheeple the RNC wants you to be and vote for rOBAMAney. Your vote for rOBAMAney will be about as helpfull for Obama as me not voting for rOBAMAney. Oh, and by the way Bachman is not a conservative. She’s a Sarah Palin wannabe and a political oppertunist. Governor Perry, like President Reagan was a Democrat and then saw the error of his ways and became a true consevative. Granted he didn’t talk as pretty as rOBAMAney and some of the others, but he had his record of 10 years as the Governor of the redest state in the country behind him. I would love to see him as P.O.T.U.S. Were he president with majorities in the house and senate our country would have been whole again. The same can be said about with Newt were he to get the nomination. Unfortunately you and many others on our side have bought the “We need a moderate candidate” narrative from the MSM and RNC and have doomed us all to four more years of Obama and the end of our country as we knew it. I hope that you and others on this board supporting rOBAMAney are proud of that fact come Jan. 2012 Obama will take the oath of office again if rOBAMAney gets the nomination. You’ll have noone but yourselves to blame.

  • retire05

    #90, Gary, perhaps you are a bit uninformed and have relied on talking points, lobbed by some on this board.

    The State of Texas was involved in a SCOTUS case, Texas vs. Certain Named and Unnamed Alien Children. Certain school districts, suffering from having to educate students who were illegals, tried to make a requirement that a parent had to prove the student was a legal resident. That case was rolled into Plyler and the SCOTUS ruled that a) you could not punish kids for the crimes of their parents and b) the states had to provide education to all school aged children, no matter their residency status.

    The Texas legislature saw the handwriting on the wall, as did 10 other states. So they passed laws that allowed for the students to recieve in-state tuition to state universities. Now the states that do not provide for in-state tuition to those students are facing another SCOTUS case as they are being sued by some who claim they did not know they were not born here (having been brought here as very small children) and that they are entitled to in-state tuition because their parents have paid into the tax base for all those years. One particular plantiff is from Florida.

    Now, I have no doubt that the SCOTUS will rule in her favor. And then ALL states will be required to provide in-state tuition to state supported universities. Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oklahoma and six other states have already addressed that at the same time, 2001.

    Most of these kids do not attend a four year acredited university. They are going to community colleges, at least for the first two years, due to the cost. It is not cheap to go to UT or A & M. Also, these kids have had to live in Texas three years and are required to have graduated from a Texas public high school. Out of state kids only have a 12 month residency requirement, and no Texas high school graduation requirement. Also, you are not guaranteed admission to a state university in Texas UNLESS you are in the top 10% of your graduation class.

    While I will admit the wording used by Perry was a mistake, we, as a nation, do not punish kids for the crimes of their parents. There is no blood liable in this country. We we do is educate them, and expect them to be productive. If it were not for the “wet foot, dry foot” policy of the U.S., Marco Rubio would have not been eligible to attend a Florida state university at in-state tuition. But he was.

    I don’t like the fact that illegals have such little respect for our laws that they break them. But I also don’t hold that against kids who had no say in the matter. I would rather see them educated and working on an ITIN than to see them recruited by the drug cartels as they are currently doing in places like San Antonio. Most college graduates do not resort to such crimes. And it is cheaper to give them in-state tuition than three hots and a cot.

  • RedBeard

    The enemy is Obama, not Romney.

    The enemy is Obama, not Romney.

    The enemy is Obama, not Romney.

    What is so #$^%*&^ difficult to understand here? Good grief.

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  • bg

    ++

    valerie #24 February 1, 2012 at 8:54 am

    another excellent read post, thank you..

    and an Amen to the following:

    [This last, that Newt would be a disaster with conservative women is
    an excuse offered by the party, not the truth. Newt did very well with
    conservative women in SC. Further, Newt was not attacked on the basis
    of what conservative women would be expected to object to. He was
    attacked based on and unrelated set of misrepresentations about his
    history. He was attacked on the basis of a pack of lies the Republican
    “leaders” should have known were lies, ginned up by the Democrats.

    Republicans who buy into a narrative written for
    them by Democrats have a name, and it is LOSERS.]

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    Earth to Romney..

    the enemy is Obama not Gingrich..

    the enemy is Obama not Gingrich..

    the enemy is Obama not Gingrich..

    what is it your followers don’t get don’t??

    ==

  • Ron?

    Sorry! Meant Jan. 2013 in my last post.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #99 February 1, 2012 at 12:23 pm bg

    what is it your followers don’t get??

    ==

  • StrangernFiction

    The enemy is the ruling class.

  • Ron?

    bg # 99: You are absolutely correct. Jesus, Joseph and Mary, the day of judgement commeth. I’m actually agreeing with bg on some things.

  • Gary

    Retire05
    I knew you couldn’t resist. We’ve been all the way around this time and again.
    And it’s so no longer relevant with regard to the election.
    But again, the child of an illegal immigrant should have no privilege over any American child. In addition, the government really has no right to pick the winners and losers. And that is what you’re doing when you give favoritism to “victim” classes. University enrollment has a fixed number of positions each year. That means every opportunity given to one is an opportunity lost by another. Why should the children of illegals benefit over American children.

    I will agree with you that these children shouldn’t be punished for what their parents did, but you take it one step further and actually reward them for it.
    It creates yet another magnet program to attract more illegals.

    Henceforth, we have to agree to disagree on it. I can’t have the same discussion with you one more time.

  • RedBeard

    So bg… if Romney is wrong for the way he treated Gingrich, how does it help the cause of defeating Obama to continue bashing Romney? It ALL has to stop.

  • Gary

    Ron? 94

    The facts just don’t bear out what you’re saying (or at least the sum of all polls does not).

    Real clear politics average:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_gingrich_vs_obama-1453.html

    This most recent poll puts Romney in a statistical tie with Obama (2% Obama) while Gingrich loses by 12%.

    Those aren’t my facts or figures, that’s an average of all the polling tracked by RCP.
    As it stands, Gingrich does not beat Obama nationally. Sure we have more months to find out if that changes, but I seriously doubt it will. If were going to, it would have already with the two bumps he recently enjoyed.

  • Ron?

    Retire05: Carefull there friend. He’s baiting you.

  • Gary

    BG
    I listened to all three speeches last night.
    Romney congratulated his opponents and went straight after Obama.
    Gingrich went straight after Romney and then proceeded to make promises he can’t keep without a Republican House and Senate.

    Gingrich:

    The enemy is Obama .
    What is it that your followers don’t get?

  • Gary

    Ron?
    What are you talking about baiting? This Perry comment was made in one of the early debates. If you missed it, then you might belong to the ignorant people you spoke of earlier. He’s on record saying children of illegals should get in-state tuition. That is a discount rate that American children from neighboring states won’t enjoy.

    Are you saying you too support that notion? And you’re questioning everybody else’s conservatism?

  • Gary

    And for the record, I agree with Retire05 the majority of the time. I think he’d back that up.
    You’re the one I haven’t seen on this blog, so it’s funny you show up today questioning everybody’s conservatism.

    Anyway, I said add Perry to the list. I have no reason to dig a trench on the point of Rick Perry. He’s out of the race. It’s purely a Texas issue now.
    Retire’s from Texas, I’m not.

  • Ron?

    #106 Gary: The only poll that matters is the poll on Nov.05, 2012. I can skew the numbers or polls any way I choose and it still won’t affect the outcome. We’ve been through the numbers game with Obamacare costs, unemployment numbers and and Cbo numbers for the last four years and you you know what the total is? o, zilch and nada. Numbers don’t mean squat now thanks to Obama.

  • Mama Grizzly

    The Obama people are going to SLAUGHTER ANY GOP CANDIDATE and seriously outspend them.

    So . . . it’s much much better for ALL the candidates to stay in as long as possible so they can’t concentrate on just one.

    The lies and rumors will be rampant and any mistakes or missteps they take will be exaggerated and taken out of context, and Obismal will be featured as the saviour of the mankind of America.

    Stay strong on your candidate. Don’t tear the others up too much. Don’t do the research of the DNC for them if possible.

  • retire05

    #104, Gary, let me give you a choice: you allow those kids who were brought here as small children to complete higher education at in-state tution rates, not free, but in-state rates, with more stringent requirements than for native born students who reside out of state. Or, you pay them to lay up in public housing and draw welfare because they have managed to have 2-3 out of wedlock children who ARE citizens by the fact of their birth being here and Wong. Ummmm, let me see, reduced tuition or a totally free ride for the majority of their lives. Which one do you choose?

    Have these kid not had their parents pay into the tax base? With the ease of getting a GSE mortgate, regardless of your immigration status, are these parents not paying property taxes which is the primary source for school funding in Texas?

    When did common sense desert most people? I would rather fund the schools, the community colleges, that these kids mostly attend, than fund police, courts and jails. And in case you haven’t noticed, there is not a large clamoring by out of state students to attend community colleges in Texas.

    The point is that we are spending money on these kids anyway by affording them a high school diploma at a value of over $100K. How much does it cost to support their out of wedlock kids for the next 18 years?

  • bg

    ++

    RedBeard #105 February 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    oh i agree, it has to stop, so lets not only get to the source, but put all
    the facts on the table once and for all.. and while you’re at it, please tell
    Romney (whom i once stood up for) that he is ‘D’-spicable for spending
    millions on vicious attack ads chock full of LIES, and he knows it.. i also
    hope the other hypocrite Tom Brokaw does sue him.. but don’t believe
    he will, as both are obviously on the same side.. *sigh*

    ==

  • Gary

    Ron?
    I agree with you on the point of polls. The only poll that matters is the one taken by the ballot box.

    But RCP publishes everybody’s polls, and this latest one is just their most recent average. No it doesn’t mean that Gingrich will necessarily lose. but it does mean that in poll after poll, people are more likely to vote Romney than Gingrich, and it does mean that in poll after poll, Gingrich loses to Obama, even in the Fox News poll. Doesn’t that even give you pause to wonder why?

  • Patty

    Obama warns of fall Romney ‘smear’ machine
    The Obama-Biden reelection campaign, which just announced it banked $224 million in 2011, is stepping up fundraising as it steels for an expected fall “smear” machine from GOP front-runner Mitt Romney.

    In an email to supporters this morning, Obama campaign manager Jim Messina warned that the Republicans will have a fat bank account to tap for negative ads, something both Romney and Newt Gingrich did in Florida.

    “They’re going to try to spend and smear their way to the White House,” Messina said about Republican groups and candidates.

    One thing is for sure: the fall election is already setting up to be the most expensive in history, with Obama expected to spend $750 million-$1 billion and the eventual GOP challenger and Republican-leaning groups likely to join so spend over $500 million.
    In fact, as President Obama was feting donors last night at the posh St. Regis hotel in downtown Washington and then a private home in Chevy Chase, Md., a Romney associate told the Examimer, “He’s going to need a lot of money.”

    MUCH MORE @ LINK

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-warns-fall-romney-smear-machine/352831

  • Gary

    bg
    Gingrich spent millions on vicious attack ads too, just fewer millions because he had fewer millions to spend. If he’d had 17, he’d have spent 17. 20 for that matter, I’m sure. That’s evidenced by his commitment to stay in the race to the end. There’s no question in my mind that if he had it, he’d spend it.

    The attack ads are despicable, but they’re both doing it. They’re both telling lies, including Gingrich calling Romney anti-immigrant and telling a half-truth about Romney’s holdings on Freddie Mac. They’re both doing it. Mitt has more money, that’s all. Newt has more ideas. They’re playing the hands they’re dealt.

    Agree with you on one point, let’s get it all out there.

  • SST

    He’s right. It’sthe very poor qualify for all kinds of programs to help.

    It’s the “Poor, but not quite poor enough” that have serious problems.

  • Gary

    Patty 116
    ” negative ads, something both Romney and Newt Gingrich did in Florida”

    bingo.

  • Gary

    Patty

    Further on your point, I’m sure our side is going to cough up the big bucks, and as everybody has seen, our likely nominee has no problem cranking out negative ads of his own.
    I for one intend to give til it hurts to keep Obama from getting re-elected.

  • Gary

    SST
    +1

  • retire05

    The Miami Herald has an interesting interactive site that showsn each Florida country and classifies them; religious right, military, empty nesters, service related, immigration.

    Romney took all but the college crowd and then only lost by 1% point. He also took the evangelical counties. Romney took the military, empty nesters, and immigration (the Cuban vote).

    People need to remember that while we are considered a conservative population, many are financially conservative but socially liberal. The right to center-right voted for Romney. The hard right, Gingrich. Gingrich cannot win the nomination on just the hard right.

  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    Gary #46

    re your “four more years of Obama” is unfounded

    Famous last words.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #108 February 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    GINGRICH: Thank you all very, very much. And thank all of you up here.

    I particularly want to start by thanking Attorney General Bill McCollum,
    who just has been a great statewide leader and has done so much to
    help us. And he and Ingrid have just been tremendous.

    I also want to thank Mayor Crotty and Ellen Levine (ph), who co- chaired
    statewide and really helped us put this together with a remarkably short
    time. And so we’re very grateful to all of you.

    I also want to introduce my daughter, Kathy, and
    her husband, Paul. They live down in Key Biscayne.

    And I’m very proud of Kathy, because she did a whole series of
    Spanish-language media over the last couple weeks, helping us
    in the Miami area, and really reaching out across all of the Hispanic
    community.

    And also, my daughter, Jackie, and her husband, Jimmy, who are here.

    Jackie has been — Jackie has been doing speeches, doing television and
    radio. And as many of you know, she is — she and Jimmy are the mother
    and father of my two major debate coaches, Maggie and Robert. So it’s
    great to have them here.

    I want to thank Floridians. Callista and I talked about this. And
    everybody here has been so positive in every part of the state
    that we just thank all of you for the hospitality and the kindness.
    We thank the well over a half-million Floridians who voted for us.

    And I think Florida did something very important, coming on top of South
    Carolina. It is now clear that this will be a two-person race between the
    conservative leader, Newt Gingrich, and the Massachusetts moderate.

    And the voters of Florida really made that clear.

    GINGRICH: Now, you’ll notice that a number of
    folks are holding up a sign about 46 states to go.

    We did this in part for the elite media, because, you know, the same
    people who said I was dead in June and July and said I was gone after
    Iowa, who seemed totally quiet the night of the South Carolina victory,
    are now going to be back saying, “What’s he going to do? What’s he
    going to do? What’s he going to do?” So I just want to reassure them
    tonight: We are going to contest every place, and we are going to win,
    and we will be in Tampa as the nominee in August.

    GINGRICH: Now, you might ask — in the face of a 5-1 onslaught — how
    can that be true? And I’ll give you the answer. It was stated at a historic
    moment in 1863, in dedicating our first national military cemetery by the
    president of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, who said we have
    government of the people, by the people, for the people. And we’re
    going to have people power defeat money power in the next six months.

    You might say, how are we going to do that? Well, the same way that
    we came back in June and July, and by December, we’re ahead in the
    Gallup poll nationally by 12 or 13 points with no money. It turned out
    that if you have ideas, and you have solutions, and you’re positive, and
    you can communicate a better future, and you have a history of actually
    doing something in the past, that the combination begins to reach the
    American people.

    So let me talk briefly about what this is going to be about.
    This is the most important election of your lifetime.

    If — if Barack Obama gets re-elected, it will be a disaster for the United
    States of America. Make no bones about it. If he can have a record this
    bad, unemployment this bad, deficits this bad, policies this bad, gasoline
    prices this high, and still get re-elected, you can’t imagine how radical
    he’ll be in his second term.

    So designing and putting together a people’s campaign, not a
    Republican campaign, not an establishment campaign, not a Wall Street
    – funded campaign, a people’s campaign, and saying to every American
    of every background and every ethnic group and every community: We
    have a better future for you and your family. It’s a future of jobs, it’s a
    future of lower gasoline prices, it’s a future of a balanced budget, it’s
    a future of a smaller Washington, it’s a future of more power back home
    to you and your family and your neighborhood. This is a future we ask
    you to join us in imposing on the establishment in Washington and
    imposing it on both parties.

    Let’s talk briefly about the power of ideas. In 1980, I was very honored
    to be able to help put together the first Capitol steps. And at that point,
    Senate and House candidates came together with Governor Reagan.
    David Broder wrote about it in the Washington Post. It was a very
    courageous decision by Reagan because he didn’t have to run as part of
    a team. And he did something nobody had done before. And we won six
    U.S. Senate seats by a combined margin of 75,000 votes, and we picked
    up 33 House seats.

    In 1994, building on that experience, we got 350 candidates to come
    and to be part of a Contract with America, to stand on the Capitol
    steps. We offered a positive program, and we had the largest one-party
    increase in American history in an off-year. Nine million additional
    Americans voted for a positive vision, and we kept our word, and every
    item in the contract was voted on in the first 93 days.

    There’s — there’s a core question, both in the primaries and in the
    general election, a simple question. If you’re comfortable with the
    way America’s decaying, then we don’t have to change much. We
    can just manage the decay.

    GINGRICH: I’ll give you a couple more. We’re going to put together
    a package. You’re going to see, this is what a serious conservative
    president is like, who is bold and is prepared to change Washington,
    despite the screams of the establishment of both parties.

    So a couple more steps. We will on that day sign an executive order
    that will instruct the State Department that day to open the embassy
    in Jerusalem and recognize Israel.

    GINGRICH: Give you just two more examples. I will sign on that day an
    executive order reinstating Ronald Reagan’s Mexico City policy. No U.S.
    money will go anywhere in the world to pay for abortion, period.

    And finally, many of you may have noticed that the Obama administration
    has declared war on the Catholic Church and other religious institutions.
    I want you to know that, on the very first day, I will sign an executive
    order repealing every anti-religious act of the Obama administration as
    of that moment.

    The reason I’m comfortable telling you all this is I have been studying
    what America needs to do, since the fall of 1958, when my dad was
    stationed in Europe in the Army. I have been working at what we need
    to do, as congressman, speaker of the House, in the private sector. I
    believe it is possible to get this country back on track.

    My commitment is to unleash the spirit of the American people, to find
    new and innovative and positive things, to do them seven days a week,
    to do them relentlessly, to do them without stop, to make sure that we
    have fundamentally gotten America back on the right track.

    And I pledge to each and every one of you personally: If you will reach out across the country, if you will use Facebook and YouTube and Twitter and phone calls and even visits, if you will tell all of your friends in the other 46 states that there is a chance to nominate a conservative who knows what he’s doing, who has done it before, and who has the courage and determination to get it done, I promise you that if I become your president, I pledge to you my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor.

    This is about America.

    Thank you. Good luck, and God bless you.

    really??

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #119 February 1, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    oh yeah, right again.. /duh sarc/

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  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #122 February 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    aka: the missing link..

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  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    Patty #116

    re negative ads

    ‘Here’s all you need to know about the Florida campaign: amidst the blizzard of campaign ads there was only one positive pro-Romney ad — a single Spanish language TV ad.

    That’s right. Mitt Romney and his allies spent more than $15 million on TV ads — only one was positive and it was in a foreign language. It ran a total of 15 times statewide.’

    The Statistic of the Campaign: Romney’s Single Positive Ad in Florida

    Does Romney think Spanish speaking people are too dumb to handle negative ads, or are those the poor people he writes off? Or is it to bolster his pro-immigrant creds? Or to give soothing pablum to the servants he enjoys firing? Or just saying thing in Spanish and another in English? With Slick Mitt you never know.

  • retire05

    If Gingrich is such a supporter of Reagan’s Mexico City policy, why didn’t he lobby for legislation that would make it permanent when he was Speaker? The Congress contols the purse strings.

    And if Gingrich is complaining about not being able to compete against Romney’s “money”, just wait until Obama gets a hold of him.

  • retire05

    bg, I suggest if you don’t want your ass handed to you again, you refrain from lobbying your insults toward me hence forward.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05

    uh-oh, the ass handler is after me again..

    ROTF 😆 MBO!!

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  • Sparky

    Romney trolls are polluting ALL the Conservative blogs now. All they are doing is drive by cheap shots and poisoning any debate.

  • bg
  • Gary

    BG

    ” It is now clear that this will be a two-person race between the
    conservative leader, Newt Gingrich, and the Massachusetts moderate.”

    Can you find anything like that in Mitt’s speech?
    And I also noticed Romney’s congratulations to Newt weren’t reciprocated.

  • Gary

    bg 131

    Ok that’s funny.
    Retire, you stepped in that one.

    Retire
    on the question of your choice, how about they at least pay out-of-state tuition then? It’s no more than we’d ask of any American citizen from any of the 49 other states.

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  • Gary

    Sparky 132

    That’s intellectually dishonest. I’ve been on this blog a long time and I only recently decided to back Romney when virtually all the conservatives were eliminated from the race. The headlines on this site the past couple of days seem aimed at taking Romney down.

  • Gary

    S. Wolf

    “famous last words”

    you may be right, but i’m only citing Real Clear Politics’ polling average that shows Gingrich losing by 12% while Romney is statistically tied at down 2%

  • Gary

    Actually, let me go a step further here.

    If the polls showed (or I believed) that Gingrich would certainly beat Obama in November, then I too might overlook all his flaws and weak moments and support him for the nomination. But the polls don’t show that, and I have no reason to believe it.

  • retire05

    Gary, the premise is that it is cheaper to allow the children of illegals (77% of which were born here, a fact you want to ignore) to have in-state tuition by making the requirements even stiffer than for other non-residents than to house, clothe and feed them in jails or in public housing units where they wind up with a couple of out of wedlock kids. Simple Econ 101 premise.

    You want to ignore that the decision was made by the Texas legislature and there was very little opposition to the law at the time. It was a state decision, and unless you don’t subscribe to the 10th Amendment, should remain a state decision.

    And why don’t you ask bg what the date was that Sean Parnell, now governor of Alaska, was sworn in as Lt. Governor under Palin after he left his lobbying firm on the date bg gave, January 3, 2006? She (bg) won’t answer that because she was trying to make the claim that Parnell was NOT a lobbyist when he campaigned with Palin. i.e. she got her ass handed to her by her own linked website, Wikipedia.

  • StevefromMKE

    Once again, who are we running against? Fellow Republicans or Obama? Goof grief..

  • Jim

    Mitt’s comment will definitely come back to haunt him as it will taken out of context continuously just as Soledad O’Brien did during the actual interview. This blog is taking it out of context and if it’s happening here, just imagine what Obama is going to do with it.

  • bg

    ++

    Sparky #132 February 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    don’t believe they’re all Romney trolls, for instance = retire05 (a supposed pro-Perry poster that shone an awfully bad light on him via attacking anyone who proffered one shred of evidence against him about anything) = depending on who was/is being defended/attacked has more or less been pro-con switch posting from one candidate to the next for months now.. ergo, i believe is an Obama operative inducing damage by any means necessary on all candidates and those who support them.. as even when proved 110% wrong, always manages to come back with different dance & song.. 😛

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  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    Gary #139

    These are polls, I don’t much care for polls. The only poll that counts is the one on Election Day. I want an election in 2012 like the one in the 2010 midterm, the GOP had the biggest gains in 70 years in that election largely thanks to the TEA party and it would be to the advantage of the GOP to nominate a TEA party backed candidate viz Gingrich instead of McCain deja vu Romney.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #134 February 1, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    oh wow, you sure proved me wrong, oh wait..

    i didn’t make any such claims, you did..

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  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    bg #143

    I would concur. I was a Perry supporter but as soon as reta.. er.. ire05 thought I was siding with you on issues and posts poor old S. Wolf got attacked by reta.. er.. ire05 and it’s cronies along with you and anyone else in turd slinging range. Since Perry has endorsed Gingrich I have become a Gingrich supporter like you better late than never. Has reta.. er.. ire05 erstwhile Perry backer switched to Gingrich? Uh, no.

  • Gary

    bg
    I never said you did, or that I was proving you wrong. You posted the speech in an apparent effort to prove me wrong that Newt came out swinging against Romney.
    I then highlighted the section I was referring to
    It’s that simple. Nothing aimed at you, just clarifying my point.

  • Gary

    S. Wolf

    i’m totally with you on the poll thing, not disputing it, just citing it as one way of gauging what the rest of the country is thinkging. I’ve already said that i’m not barring the possiblity of Newt getting the nomination, and I would certainly vote for him. I just seriously doubt he can get it now, and I doubt that if he did that he could win in November.

  • Gary

    S. Wolf, BG, Retire

    We’re all conservatives here.
    BG liked Cain.
    Retire like Perry.
    S. Wolf liked Perry.
    I liked Bachmann.
    (see how well I pay attention)

    Now we’re down to Gingrich and Romney.
    I wanted a conservative tea partier in the WHite House as much as anybody, but it isn’t happening this time. Neither of these guys is it. Last summer, I think you’d all have agreed with me.

  • Gary

    Retire05
    I’m not choosing to ignore that these kids were born in America. I think we fundamentally disagree on the simple point that an amendment to the constitution is being abused to make the children of illegals American citizens. They should not be because this is in effect a reward to the illegals who crossed in addition to being an incentive, i.e. a magnet.

    As for the “educate them now or prop them up later” argument, I don’t buy it. Deport them now, and deport them later.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #147 February 1, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    you said: [Gingrich went straight after Romney]

    about 8 paragraphs down Gingrich said: [It is now clear that this
    will be a two-person race between the conservative leader,
    Newt Gingrich, and the Massachusetts moderate.
    ]

    he didn’t even utter his name, so how in
    heavens name did you prove me wrong??

    ==

  • retire05

    #142, bg, you are a blatant liar. But then, that is nothing new.

    Did I defend Perry against your spurious claims? You betcha. You picked out those links that supported your lies, and used them as your defense…… Hell, you even linked to the 9-11 truther, Alex Jones. Then you falsely claim that I have “more or less been a pro-con switch posting from one candidate to another.” YOU LIE.

    I have never supported Romney, nor do I support Gingrich. I consider them to be equal slugs.

    As to you ever being able to prove me wrong, the only thing you do when you have your tongue caught in a trap is insult people, then whine because you get the same vitriol thrown back at you. You are a liar of the first order. Dishonest to an extreme fault. You throw accusations of being an “Alinskyite” at anyone who doesn’t agree with you, or accuse them of being an Obama “operative.” You constantly link back to your own comments, being the Queen of Cut and Paste, as if they held any validity, which they don’t. Your obvious uneducated crassness is exceeded only by your hubris. You cut and run when challenged, and expect your cabal to pick up your pieces, a cabal of like minded individuals who are equally as ill informed. The only people here that are willing to deal with you are those who are mired in reponding to the mundane. But you are so mentally challanged that you do not realize that most people choose to give you a wide berth, and to ignore you.

    What a pathetic life you must live. I told you on New Year’s Eve that you needed to take up a hobby and learn to be a productive citizen. You remain the same nugatory waste of oxygen as ever shown on this board.

  • retire05

    Gary, I don’t deal in hypotheticals. I deal only in facts. And the fact is that no one, not Obama, not Romney, not Gingrich, are going to deport those students. If you can’t live with that, then initiate a law suit that will wind up in the Supreme Court and hope it gets changed. Because in the immediate future, that is not going to happen.

    So the question remains; what do the states do with them? Do they educate them until the 12th grade, as required by a SCOTUS decision in Plyler, and then what? Do we tell them “Yes, we understand that we had to invest an approximate $100K in your education, and we understand that you graduated in the 10% of your class while other students, citizens, dropped out and we are now supporting them in public housing units, but we are going to punish your parents via you. So…. although you worked hard, graduated in the top 10%, we are not going to recognize your efforts.”

    Once again, we pander to those who make no effort, and support them, and their off spring for decades but punish those who do? That is your answer? If you believe in punishment of children for the sins of their ancestors, then you must also agree with the “restitituion” movement supported by so many blacks.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #149 February 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    bg = TEA Party all the way!! :-)

    Palin, Cain, Gingrich (not to mention his pro
    -USA cabinet), Tea Party.. Ging O Newt!!
    :-)

    ==

  • retire05

    Gary, bg was a Palinista before she was a Cainiac. She would lob her “Alinsky” accusation at anyone who dared suggest that Palin would never run. She, and a poster named Ginger, would hurl insults toward anyone who said that not only would Palin not run, but that she would lose the primaries if she did.

    Know who you are dealing with; a dishonest harpy who will NEVER answer a question posed to her and will only come back with snark. It is all she is capable of.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary..

    re: amnsety..

    you can scroll down to read more of my posts
    defending my position, or not, your choice.. ❓

    ==

  • Gary

    BG

    What’s happening between what I write and what you read. I said I was NOT trying to prove you wrong. I’m only proving myself right. You were trying to prove me wrong about Newt coming out swinging against Mitt by putting up the whole speech.
    I highlighted the section I was referring to so you could see that he did indeed come out swinging.

    Yes it’s several paragraphs down. So what? Newt didn’t hold it up on a piece of paper for the cameras. It was a speech. Those paragraphs went by pretty quickly in their spoken form.

    OK, but let me clean this up for you so it meets your accuracy standards:
    Gingrich came out and, after some obligatory nods to supporters, took a shot at a Massachussetts moderate who was the other choice in a two man race with himself for the nomination. I then wildly assumed it was probably Romney he was talking about.
    Now I see where I was wrong. Thanks.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary..

    si se Perry!

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  • http://www.theodoresworld.net/ Wild Thing

    Mitt is absolutely correct. Those that are poor have a tons of things offered to them from our government to help them. The well to do will be fine, it is the middle income families that are hit the hardest and that is why it is important to get Obama OUT, so small and large business can do more hires and homes will get back to a better value and too many things to mention.

  • Gary

    bg

    Palin yes, Cain yes, Bachmann yes, Gingrich no.

    Taxed Enough Already does not support cap and trade.

  • Gary

    Retire05

    You’re seriously undervaluing a U.S. high school education (or maybe not these days). A lot of people do just fine with a high school education. Why do we have to prop them up all the way through college?

    And if you don’t deal in hypotheticals, then why do you conclude they will all grow up to be on the dole if we don’t hand them an education on a silver platter.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #157 February 1, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    oh, okay, then i proved you wrong..

    “whew” glad that’s over & done with.. 😀

    or is there any other nits you want to pick?? gah!!

    ==

  • Gary

    bg
    if you posted it for me, I’ll read it. I have nothing against you. Remember the good old days when we used to agree? If Palin had run, we’d never have gotten this ideologically divided.

  • Gary

    Retire
    As a matter of fact, I love Sarah Palin dearly (second only to Rush Limbaugh).
    So I can’t sympathize there.

    On the point of these “born in America” kids:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/us/29babies.html?pagewanted=all
    I know it’s the NY Times, but I lived in CHina for years, and this is absolutely true.
    Chinese with the means are flying here in their third trimester to get citizenship for their babies. These babies then function as “anchor babies” that allow them to return here later. That’s the harm of your compassionate conservatism.
    I’m not faulting you for thinking what you do. I’m just disagreeing with you, and you won’t sway me on this one.
    Overturn this amendment, end this tuition program if it’s running, deport as many as possible.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #160 February 1, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Setting the Record Straight

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  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    Gary #149

    I liked Bachmann too and I believe she will be back in one role or another, perhaps some day as Speaker of the House… sort of the anti-Pelosi. :)

    reta.. er.. ire05 #155

    re who will NEVER answer a question posed to her

    Uh, not true.. watch and learn.

    bg

    How’s your great-grandchild doing?

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #163 February 1, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    we are not ideologically divided,
    we are “fact”ually divided.. 😉

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  • Gary

    Retire05, BG

    I appreciate both of you. Sometimes you deal with complete idiots and total sycophants on this site, but both of you argue passionately for your views and there is nothing wrong with that. We have a war to fight this year, and we’ll all have to make nice pretty soon. I’ll be glad when this ugly spell is behind us.

  • Gary
  • Gary

    S. Wolf
    I sure hope so.

    The majority of my donations in 2010 went to Bachmann’s house campaign. Obama et al poured out a lot of cash to take her out, but she stuck in there.
    I’d love to see her voted Speaker over Boehner.
    And politically speaking, she is still a young woman. She could have 5 or 6 more chances to run for president.

  • Gary

    Further on that point, for anybody who cares:
    Do not send donations to the RNC. Pick your candidates and send it to their campaigns. The RNC will use the money to get the Tea Partiers out of the race.

    Sorry BG, I don’t buy Gingrich as Tea Party.
    Conservative to me means fiscal and social. A guy who cheats on his wife is simply not a social conservative. It takes more than espousing it, you have to live it too.

    BTW, you’re entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts 😉

  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    Gary #170

    Sure. She is just getting started.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #169 February 1, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    i tend to agree, at the same time however, both his words and
    many articles that have been written about him also tend to be
    misinterpreted, or distort context in which he was speaking..

    iow: neglect to take the entirety of the
    substance offered into consideration..

    the man is way too brilliant for US to understand
    what it is he speaketh without a gps/road map..

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  • bg

    ++

    Gary #171 February 1, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    well, the TEA Party sure does..

    just a random sampling:

    December 19, 2011

    Gingrich Wins Tea Party Straw Poll

    January 26, 2012

    300 Tea Party Organizers in 36 States Vow to Campaign for Gingrich

    January 28, 2012

    Florida Tea Party Leaders Endorse Newt Gingrich

    Gingrich Leads Tea Party Patriots Florida Straw Poll

    January 31, 2012

    N.C. Tea Party throwing support to Gingrich

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  • bg

    ++

    re: #174 February 1, 2012 at 4:00 pm bg

    January 30, 2012

    re: Gingrich Leads Tea Party Patriots Florida Straw Poll

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  • bg

    ++

    S. Wolf #166 February 1, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    running around, loving pizza, and ready to vote!! 😆

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  • http://countercultureconservative.wordpress.com/ Jesusland

    I grew up in third world countries. I know what “poor” looks like. I haven’t seen any poor people since getting back to the States 20 years ago.

  • bg

    ++

    February 1, 2012

    Romney’s ‘Poor’ Quote Twisted by Media

    [Sources in the mainstream media were quick to jump on Mitt Romney
    for saying he doesn’t care about the very poor — without placing the
    remark in context.]

    one of my, if not the biggest, pet peeves..

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  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    Gingrich endorsements

    ‘Tea Party in Space (TPIS) is excited to endorse Newt Gingrich for President of the United States. Mr. Gingrich is the only candidate who consistently articulates a bright vision for future American space exploration and settlement. Mr. Gingrich’s unique approach of utilizing the government and private sector is exactly what NASA needs.

    “Newt Gingrich is the only credible candidate in this primary race in Florida who has any credibility when it comes to America’s future in space,” said Andrew Gasser, President and National Coordinator for TPIS. “Newt will not have to take a poll or rely on ‘advisors’ who have a history of poor history of delays and significant budget overruns. Instead, he wants to return NASA to the beaming example of American exceptionalism that it once was.”‘

    Tea Party in Space Endorses Gingrich for President

    bg #176

    Sounds like moi as a tyke even the voting 😆 Ah those terrible twos, I do get nostalgic for the good old/young days.. sadly for reta.. er.. some here.. those second childhood days are irreversible.

  • Militant Conservative

    Agreed, the poor need to pay the same tax rate

    as the rich.

  • bg

    ++

    S. Wolf #179 February 1, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    not two yet.. “whew”.. 😀

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  • retire05

    S. Wolf, why don’t you answer the questions I posed to you about the origins of Social Security the other day? Or ask bg to tell you when what date Sean Parnell was sworn into the Lt. Governor’s office after he quit the lobbying firm on January 3, 2006?

    You two are KNOWN for not answering questions. My guess is you don’t want to embarrass yourselfs, but as I told bg, too late for that.

  • bg

    ++

    S. Wolf #179 February 1, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    my #3 dear daughter was born in Titusville, small world hey.. 😉

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  • bg

    ++

    via retire05 #182 February 1, 2012
    at 6:14 pm to infinity & beyond!! 😯

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    sake from the ass handling missing link.. 😆

    ==

  • retire05

    bg, why don’t you see if you can muster just a small amount of maturity? You are way too old to act so juvenile.

  • http://www.southernwolf.net S. Wolf

    reta.. er.. ire05 #185

    Speaking of juvenile is it not about time you had those damp Depends changed?

  • Mama Grizzly

    #77 Ron: I never said any such thing about Palin. I’m not a fan. Better keep better records. I’ve pointed out Sara’s strengths but she has glaring weaknesses which I’ve always thought made her unelectable.

    #74 Multitude: I never called you a troll or thought you were.

  • Gary

    Sorry I couldn’t stick around on this one yesterday.
    I had to go.
    But I’m glad some of the adults are still on this blog having more-or-less adult conversations. There have been some real cretins on here lately.
    I wish the site would implement a normal username/password system so people would at least be a little more accountable, and the recent incidences of posting under other people’s long-term usernames could be eliminated.

    BG

    If that’s Titusville, FL, I’ll be driving through there sometime Saturday morning on my way to my warm FL home.

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