In Horrible Hit Piece Washington Monthly Says Santorum Called Protestants “Satan’s Spawn”

The liberal media is making up Santorum headlines out of whole cloth now.

The far left Washington Monthly posted this article today:

The headline by Ed Kilgore reads:
“Santorum to Mainline Protestants: You Are Satan’s Spawn”

Kilgore points to this Santorum quote from a speech he delivered to Ave Maria University in 2008.

[O]nce the colleges fell and those who were being educated in our institutions, the next was the church. Now you’d say, ‘wait, the Catholic Church’? No. We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.

So where does Santorum say that Protestants are “Satan’s Spawn’? He doesn’t. What an awful misleading headline. This story is complete BS. Even the Washington Monthly should be ashamed about this hit piece.

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  • Mahdi Al-Dajjal

    Once again the Left proves, without a shadow of a doubt, that there’s nothing they won’t say or do against people with the “R” next to their name. Now, if this was a story about Obama and his gay lover from Chicago (which there was), they’d spike this story so deep into the ground it would pop out the other side of the Earth.

  • AuntieMadder

    I clicked the link and read it at the source, Washington Monthly. There is no Santorum quote in which he calls anyone “Satan’s Spawn.” Worse, he said nothing that could even be taken to imply that he believes Protestants to be the spawn of Satan. He never said it and it’s just not there.

  • Mark Kleiman

    Did you read the full text of Santorum’s speech? It’s all about the campaign of “the Father of Lies” to take over one institution after another to weaken America. The first to fall, in Santorum’s account, was the universities. The second was the mainline Protestant churches.

    Yes, “spawn of Satan” is slightly over the top, but in sober fact Santorum claimed that all of mainline Protestantism has been conquered by Satan and is no longer part of “the world of Christianity.”

    And your outrage (real or assumed) is about a blogger’s headline rather than the insult a Presidential candidate directed at 45 million members of mainline Protestant churches? Pah.

  • NeoKong

    This is why they are trying to gin up the contraceptive or gay marriage thing.
    They want people to think that Rick Santorum is some bible thumpin’ ,snake handlin’ crazy eyed preacher who will outlaw sex and liquor.
    It’s the only thing they can slime him with.

  • pink tie Republican

    Well, if Protestants are Satan’s spawn, who are the Mormons? Or the Anglicans? Or the Episcopals? Hahahahah… just kidding.

    Rick is right that mainline Protestantism has lurched left, just look at Barry’s “Jesus was a socialist” remark. Of course, Catholicism has it’s own serious problems with leftism as well.

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  • Earthmover

    Maybe Obamas truth squads will step in.

  • jason

    @NeoKong

    The only thing they could slime him with? How about santorum testifying in a lawsuit for $500,000 in damages for a back injury to his wife when he is supposed to be for $250,000 limits and be for tort reform.

    How about santorum saying there are no absolute freedoms in the constitution and saying there is no freedom to gambling or anything you want on the internet. He said this in an interview a few weeks back. He took the same position as he did in the debate about how sopa is good legislation and you can’t do whatever you want on the internet.

    Santorum was for no child left behind, medicare part d, bloated highway bill with bridge to nowhere. He is on record about bragging about all the earmarks.

    Santorum voted against right to work legislation and is a big union shill.

    Santorum is why gop lost in 2006 with big spending and schiavo. He is the wrong candidate for the wrong time and the dems can’t believe their luck that he could be the nominee.

    Santorum is down double digits in florida, arizona, nevada, mass where the closest senate races are.

    A nominee santorum could bring back pelosi, five more dem senators and hand obama a mondale type win where the msm could make the fake reagan comparison.

    If Santorum is the nominee the election is about santorum.

    He said birth control harmful to women, that married people should use it, that sex should be special, that it is not ok to use birth control.

    We are electing a president not a pope and santorum would lose by the biggest margin ever just like he lost his senate race by the biggest margin ever.

    But people can’t understand just like they couldn’t understand that angle was letting reid off the hook and they want to stick it to the gop establishment more than they want to hold obama to account.

  • OCDick

    Just like Maureen Dowd hearing “boy” when people talked about zippy. I guess “Satan’s spawn” was implicit, right Mark?

  • BurmaShave

    One always needs to bear in mind that there is essentially NO documentation on who Obama is or was or what he did until he went to Harvard, and scant evidence there as well. It is all “under seal.” Obama and his acolytes do not deal in the truth and transparency.

  • Carbon Pootprint

    Well if a Secular Fundamentalist Terrorist from the Progressive Axis of Evil DC, NY and LA says it’s true then it must be a lie.

  • iamsaved

    One can expect the Lying Stream Media and their liberal sychophants to increase the lies and innuendo against conservatives as we get closer to the election.

    The Bible says what will happen in the latter days in 2 Tim 3:1-9:

    This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest to all men, as their’s also was.

    Rick Santorum’s comments were correct regarding the state of mainline protestant churches. Many are in a shambles. These denominations have allowed false doctrines that are antithetical to Biblical teaching to permeate their churches. Which false doctrines one may ask? The acceptance and elevation of homosexuality as normal when it is specifically found to be an abomination to God. The condoning of the perversion of God’s covenant of marriage by officiating and accepting marriage other than between a man and a woman as God has ordained. The “looking” away at the murder of innocent life in the womb. Claiming that Jesus was not actually resurrected after his death and burial – note the “having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof” in 2 Tim.

    When Satan learned he couldn’t destroy the church by persecution from the outside, he joined the church to create havoc from within. He’s gotten a foothold in many of our so-called Christian churches.

    In the political arena, Saul Alinsky and the left had a master teacher in Satan.

  • What he said is pretty standard among Catholics and evangelicals — that mainline churches have fallen away from the teachings of scriptures and have instead embraced the worldly values of secularism that stand in contrast to the teachings of God. It is no accident that these same mainline churches are dying.

  • NeoKong

    Hey

    #8 February 18, 2012 at 9:50 am
    jason commented:

    Why don’t you take five in the men’s room and get a hold of yourself.
    You seem a little uptight today.

  • bg

    ++

    OT..

    February 16, 2012

    Cops buy cemetery plots to block Josh Powell burial

    [“We might not be able to keep Josh Powell out of the cemetery,
    but it’s way better than having him right next to the boys,” ……]

    ==

  • dunce

    The world council of churches is more than anything else a left wing political organization, i do not know of anything they have put out about religious freedom but they have a long list of social reforms that reek of Marx. The only church they are promoting is something like Flip Wilsons church of whats happening now.

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  • StrangernFiction

    You ain’t seen nothing yet.

  • Moonbat_One

    Has anyone ever read Washington Monthly? My dad subscribes, so when I visited him I perused it.

    Very long, wordy articles about “smart” government, “smart” growth, “smart” capitalism. When you read the articles, it becomes clear what they mean by “smart” is really “directed by government bureaucracies”.

  • bg

    ++

    New World Order

    [“The real goal of the Earth Charter is that it will
    in fact become like the Ten Commandments”

    ~ Maurice Strong

    “The social experiment in China under Chairman Moa’s leadership
    is one of the most important and successful in human history.”

    ~ David Rockefeller]

    “Today, the responsibility, which used to be laid at
    the door of God, is fastened on the shoulders of man.”

    ~ HADRAT MIRZA BASHIRUDDINMAHMUD AHMAD
    (Khalifatul Masih II)
    The Second Successor of the Promised Messiah]

    via “divide & conquer”

    [Critical theory is thus able to develop a sharp, subtle, and derogatory account of modern consciousness which undermines much we believe by showing us the influences which have moulded our beliefs. These influences are contrasted with rationality and with the conditions for rational argument that would allow what Habermas calls the ‘ideal speech act’. Critical theory has therefore had a considerable influence, often indirect, on such ‘counter-culture’ movements as feminism and the green movement because it allows them to point to the structure and irrational origins of our ‘patriarchal’ or ‘industrial’ thought.]

    via “revolution & ruin”

    [In a chilling and almost unbelievable editorial again in The Nation (”Mobilizing the Jobless,” January 10/17, 2011 edition), she calls on the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force. As before, those calls are dripping with language of class struggle. Language she and her late husband Richard Cloward made popular in the 60s.]

    via “collapse & rebuild”

    [Their article called for “cadres of aggressive organizers” to use “demonstrations to create a climate of militancy.” Intimidated by threats of black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, would float the idea of “a federal program of income redistribution,” in the form of a guaranteed living income for all — working and non-working people alike. Local officials would clutch at this idea like drowning men to a lifeline. They would apply pressure on Washington to implement it. With every major city erupting into chaos, Washington would have to act.

    This was an example of what are commonly called Trojan Horse movements — mass movements whose outward purpose seems to be providing material help to the downtrodden, but whose real objective is to draft poor people into service as revolutionary foot soldiers; to mobilize poor people en masse to overwhelm government agencies with a flood of demands beyond the capacity of those agencies to meet. The flood of demands was calculated to break the budget, jam the bureaucratic gears into gridlock, and bring the system crashing down. Fear, turmoil, violence and economic collapse would accompany such a breakdown — providing perfect conditions for fostering radical change. That was the theory.]

    via “social justice & slavery”

    [The greatest nation in the history of the world is teetering on the brink of a catastrophic economic crisis. America was pushed to this point by a rapidly-expanding national debt and a stressed-out entitlement system; in the center of this crisis is the President, who insists on expanding it even further, all in the name “fairness” and “social justice.”]

    Obama is The Nothing in The NeverEnding Story ~ 🙁

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  • On the subject of Satan’s Spawn, I was just reading on Drudge that Moochelle and the kids just took off to Aspen for a Presidents day skiing vacation.
    I’m sure that her thinking is that it is presidents day and her hubby is president so all us tax paying peasants should be made to pay for this trip also…This is more than pathetic…
    And hardly a mention by the lame stream media.

  • bg

    ++

    morally opposite Obama = “winner”

    economically opposite Obama = “winner”

    too bad they are two different candidates.. *sigh*

    imho, what good are morals & economics if we
    lose our country to foreign & domestic radicals..

    we need someone who is STRONG ON DEFENDING AMERICA’S
    FREEDOMS = W/OUT IT THERE IS NOTHING TO DEFEND.. GAH!!

    ==

  • Brian

    It seems Santorum’s remarks were targeted specifically to “mainline” Protestants: PCUSA, UMC, UCC, Episcopalianism, and ELCA. The fact is that many Christians– not just Catholics nor just Santorum– are appalled at the current state of those churches, and the word “apostate” is often used to describe the explicit teachings of some of their clergy. The headline is trying to turn this into a Catholics vs. Protestant opposition, when the conflict is really between Christians who take historic Christianity seriously (Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox) and those who do not.

  • Patty

    Ed Kilgore is a senior fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute, as well as managing editor of The Democratic Strategist, an online forum. He was previously vice president for policy at the Democratic Leadership Council, communications director for former U.S. Sen. Sam Nunn (D-GA), and a federal-state liaison for three governors of his home state of Georgia.

    http://progressivepolicy.org/ed-kilgore Hit pieces on his site for all the Candidates.

    Nothing new here, as the left will do and say pretty much anything. They are just beginning.

    This would be all defamation of Character and they are getting away with it until, they are called out. There will be so many things coming out on the left that the Candidates may not be aware of but they may be unable to get to each an everyone of them.

    Here is more from site above. Wingnut Watch: Ballot Initiatives Reject GOP Ideology NOW THIS TELLS ME KILGORE, WHAT A NAME, IS A RADICAL LEFTIST. PROMOTING HIS HATE JUST LIKE ED SCHULTZ AND OTHERS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN WITH LIES.

  • Patty

    Another one of his hit pieces. Kilgore that is.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_02/pat_buchanan_as_victim035477.php

    I’ve never quite understood the conceit whereby television networks are First Amendment Boxes that owe it to every crank to peddle his or her wares, or that any one “personality” should have a perpetual entitlement to visit us all in our homes four or five times a week. But before it gets out of hand, let’s definitely throw some cold water on Buchanan’s effort to make himself a living sacrifice for the poor persecuted conservatives of America. Here’s an apt comment from the conservative blog site Outside the Beltway:

    Buchanan obviously refuses to take responsibility for his own rhetoric. In the end, though, I think the main reason he’s gone is because MSNBC has figured out something that most people who spend any time on the right have known for years. Put simply, Pat Buchanan has not represented the mainstream of political thought on the right for years, if ever. Leaving aside his idiotic comments on race and religion, the man is a xenophobic protectionist whose economic positions often seem more akin to Michael Moore than Milton Friedman. To the extent that the network was bringing him on as the “conservative voice,” they were failing miserably, because he really doesn’t represent modern conservatism in any respect. That’s why I don’t think anyone is really going to miss the guy.

    Another one of his hit pieces. Kilgore that is.

  • Patty

    Some people can spot a slight in every compliment, whereas others — the happy ones — find a compliment in every slight. So last week, as a free-market, low-taxes, constitutional conservative, I happily found an apparently unintended compliment from the liberal New Republic.

    It is not often that I agree with the central attack line of my sometimes media sparring partner, The New Republic’s Ed Kilgore. But in his effort at a hit piece last week on Michele Bachmann and her stand for “constitutional conservatism,” what he thinks is an effective attack on us constitutional conservatives, I take as a badge of honor.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/category/people/ed-kilgore#ixzz1mkz483yp

  • bg

    ++

    A New Covenant For America

    [“At a press conference on December 1… the possible Presidential contender said, ‘…the network that Saddleback has helped to create has as much reach as any institutional force in our culture and has probably a wider reach around the world than just about anything that’s going on right now…. I hope one of the things that comes out of this conference that Pastor Rick has emphasized again and again, is no single branch of our society is going do this alone. If government thinks they can do it by themselves they’re wrong. Churches have to recognize that they’ve got to be partners with the government. Business has an enormous role….]

    [Later- during his interview with United Church News- Obama
    continued his thoughts about religion and politics; specifically,
    the role of religious principles in reaching a balance between
    national security and social justice concerns.

    “I believe that democracy demands that the religiously motivated
    translate their concerns into universal values,” Obama said. “Social
    justice and national security are both universal values, values that
    may originate for some in their religious beliefs, but are shared by
    us all.”
    ]

    translation: Sharia Law, Sharia Banking, Sharia Covenant..

    [For America to score even higher on the „Islamic‟ or „Shariah Compliance‟ scale, America would need to do two things: invite the voices of all religions to join the dialogue in shaping the nation‟s practical life, and allow religious communities more leeway to judge among themselves according to their own laws”]

    much more here & here..

    “I’m committed to working with American Muslims to ensure that they can
    fulfill Zakat [.] it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding
    Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit”
    ~ BHO

    ==

  • Economan

    They did a terrible job trying to pit one group of Conservatives against another. What a bunch of dumb-asses and the behavior one would expect from a group of Leftist trolls.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #27 February 18, 2012 at 11:56 am bg

    meant to highlight:

    “allow religious communities more leeway to judge
    among themselves according to their own laws”

    along with:

    “it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding
    Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit”

    think the best & the brightest get it yet?? /*sigh* sarc/

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    exactly how they did it in the old days, infiltrate, bring about peace,
    conquer from within, only thing is, these days they have a lot more
    help (please follow continued).. 🙁

    ==

  • CatoRenasci

    Interesting. I read much of Santorum’s speech. In it, he certainly suggests that Satan is the one who’s been attacking American institutions and that mainline Protestantism is “gone from the world of Christianity”. It’s a stretch from that to the headline, but not that much of one.

    Of course, if one is as ultramontane a Catholic as Santorum, Protestantism is a heresy to begin with and thus has been “gone from the world of Christianity” from the get go in the 16th century, let alone since Satan has gone to work on the American Protestant experiment.

    One must wonder what Santorum actually thinks of the American enterprise given that he acknowledges openly that at America’s Founding it was essentially a Protestant country with Protestant theology and values at its tolerant and classical liberal core — values that were virtually unthinkable in Catholic Europe in the 18th century and hated by the Church throughout the 19th century.

    I suspect Santorum hasn’t really thought any of this stuff through – not many people have – but he comes across to anyone who knows the history of the American Founding and Europe in the early modern era as a boob.

  • bg

    ++

    “Once the colleges fell and those who were being educated in our institutions, the next was the church. Now you’d say, ‘wait, the Catholic Church’? No. We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.”

    to paraphrase a Schakowsky quote re: ObamaCare..

    HE’S RIGHT, THE MAN IS RIGHT!!

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  • bg

    ++

    CatoRenasci #31 February 18, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    please, give me the “quote” you extrapolated such a notion
    from, albeit admittedly a S T R E T C H, that nailed it for you..

    thankyouverymuch..

    oh btw, here is my opinion, and it’s as tight as can be..

    “the Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic is in shambles”

    ergo, i echo..

    HE’S RIGHT, THE MAN IS RIGHT!!

    ==

  • CatoRenasci

    This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war. This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country – the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age. There is no one else to go after other than the United States and that has been the case now for almost two hundred years, once America’s preeminence was sown by our great Founding Fathers.

    He didn’t have much success in the early days. Our foundation was very strong, in fact, is very strong. But over time, that great, acidic quality of time corrodes even the strongest foundations. And Satan has done so by attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that has so deeply rooted in the American tradition.

    He was successful. He attacks all of us and he attacks all of our institutions.

    ….

    And so what we saw this domino effect, once the colleges fell and those who were being education in our institutions, the next was the church. Now you’d say, ‘wait, the Catholic Church’? No. We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.

    As I said, not quite the same as the headline, but Santorum clearly says it’s Satan attacking American institutions and that the effect is mainline Protestantism is gone from Christianity through the influence of Satan.

    People who expect to be taken seriously today outside of ultramontane or fundamentalist circles simply don’t think that way or talk that way.

  • bg

    ++

    CatoRenasci #34 February 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    you’re right, they’re too used to saying exactly what they think
    their parishioners want to hear, at times, even demand to hear..

    ergo, ruination spread across the nation..

    Obama is The Nothing in The NeverEnding Story ~ 🙁

    btw, i am positive Sanatorium had what Notre
    Dame did for Obama was on his mind as well..

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  • bg

    ++

    re: #35 February 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm bg

    re: Notre Dame..

    if not the force and focal point of his words..

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  • Greg

    The brain dead left so easily mentally manipulated will now accept it as fact that Santorum said this. There is simple no basic decency or honesty left among the progressive wordsmiths. They are the real “Spawns of Satan”.

  • AuntieMadder

    #14 February 18, 2012 at 10:33 am
    NeoKong commented:

    Hey

    #8 February 18, 2012 at 9:50 am
    jason commented:

    Why don’t you take five in the men’s room and get a hold of yourself.
    You seem a little uptight today.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I suggest Jason take #3 Mark Kleiman with him as he seems worked up over this one, too.

  • bg

    ++

    btw CatoRenasc.. albeit just my opinion
    solely based on the facts of the matter..

    no way was Sanatorium playing the “divide & conquer” game, never
    mind pointing fingers at anything but the “decline of the Protestant
    Judeo-Christian ethic
    ” in America..

    way too many people seem to be so willing to swallow sound bytes
    & others opinions w/out need for comprehension or critical thinking..

    how dumbed down are we?? verily.. *sigh*

    ==

  • AuntieMadder

    I suppose that I didn’t make the connection between Santorum’s criticism of Protestantism and his allegedly even implying that Protestants are the spawn of Satan because, to me, Protestantism is the institution, while Protestants are the individuals populating the pews on Sundays. Assuming that Santorum is right about Protestantism leading this country in the wrong direction (or misleading the country), the congregants – the Protestants – are as much led astray or misdirected by Protestantism as is this nation. They weren’t spawned by Satan but, instead, have been mislead by the adversary.

    Now, is Protestantism the religion and institution the spawn of Satan? Probably, but no more so than any of the other Christian religions and less than almost all of the non-Christian religions.

  • jainphx

    AND THE END will not come till a falling away comes first. Are we seeing the falling away?

    The fight is not with man or this world, but with powers outside the realm of this world!

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  • bg

    ++

    if what one reads into the decline of the Protestant Judeo-Christian
    ethic
    is Protestantism was spawned by satan.. then it must be true..

    hah, yeah right.. more like a self fulfilling prophecy of
    the reader v with what Santorum LITERALLY stated..

    how stupid are we?? *verily*

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  • bg

    ++

    earth to Washington Monthly..

    why not do the real story:

    Islam is the spawn of satan..

    there you go, should be easy, no stretching, no lying, no distortion, just
    the facts thank you very much., so why not get right on it, i for one can’t
    wait..

    ==

  • CatoRenasci

    AuntieMadder: the point is that Santorum seems confused about these matters because it doesn’t appear he has thought through the implications of the Catholic view of all Protestantism as heresy and his acknowledgment that America was at its founding, largely a Protestant country whose ideas about liberty were taken largely from philosophers in the English Protestant tradition like Locke. Even the French philosopher most admired by the Founders as an expositor and supporter of English ideas of liberty, Montesquieu, saw Protestantism as most suitable for republics (and Catholicism most suitable for monarchies). Though at least nominally Catholic, Montesquieu was married to a practicing Protestant, it may be interesting to note.

    How does Santorum square ultramontane notions about Protestantism being heretical and hence condemned to perdition with admiration for the values of individual liberty of the American Founding which he says are clearly Protestant? I dunno.

    But, his attack on Protestantism today (he talks about mainline Protestantism, to be entirely fair, but how can he distinguish between heretical mainline Protestantism and other heretical Protestantism?) sounds a whole lot like the condemnations of Protestantism (and Protestants) as seduced by Satan in the 17th-19th centuries (and into the 20th, really).

    When you combine this confusion with Santorum’s statements abjuring libertarianism and libertarian influece — libertrianism is really just a reductio on the classical liberalism whose core principles are the core principles of the Founders — one really has to wonder what Santorum really things about liberty and the role of the state and the appropriate relations between church and state (Again – he has expressly rejected the JFK formulation from 1960 about separation of church and state).

    I can’t square it all – it seems to me he either hasn’t thought any of this through or isn’t very bright. OK, most people don’t think this stuff through, which is fine. But most people don’t spout off the way he does, and most people aren’t running for president.

    The more I learn about Santorum, the more troubling I find his candidacy.

  • margaret

    indeed, bg…how stupid are you?

    here’s santorum:

    the next was the church. Now you’d say, ‘wait, the Catholic Church’? No. We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.

    from which i would think any reasonable person left or right could rightly construe as him saying, ‘hey, us catholics are a-okay! we are better than all those protestant *religions*!’ isn’t he just a smug son of a gun?

    and then there’s this:

    The place where he was, in my mind, the most successful and first successful was in academia. He understood pride of smart people. He attacked them at their weakest, that they were, in fact, smarter than everybody else and could come up with something new and different. Pursue new truths, deny the existence of truth, play with it because they’re smart. And so academia, a long time ago, fell.

    although he’s speaking of academia, it sure smacks of his sanctimonious pride in being a catholic to me…in fact, when i substitute ‘academia’ with ‘catholic church’ it’s just as apropo…

    and really gateway commentors? still with the obama’s not a citizen schtick? and the ‘lame stream media’ and ‘omg…obama mchitler mussolinipants woke up again today, damn it!’? all your fearmongering about socialism and the like really doesn’t make y’all sound like you are the smartest bunch…

    and i would really like to know how we are paying for ‘moochelle’ (clever, that!) and the girls to go on a ski trip…

  • bg

    ++

    CatoRenasci #45 February 18, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    WHERE??

    WHERE WAS THE ATTACK ON PROTESTANTISM??

    or did you, based on supposition, unconsciously hear the words
    in spinning around in your head come out of Santorums mouth??

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  • Santorum would make a terrible, horrible president. If he wins the GOP nomination then Obama will have a second term for sure. Both Newt, Ron Paul and Santorum omg the worst of the worst.

    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/794589/santorum:_mainline_protestant_churches_are_in_the_grip_of_satan/

  • bg

    ++

    margaret #46 February 18, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    how stupid am i?? verily, especially when i am up against such a brilliant
    critical thinking comprehension expert that goes on facts v feelings such
    as yourself.. /s/

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    btw, i support Gingrich for President!!

    he’s going to have one hell of a cabinet, woot!!

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    Republicans (by any other name) suck, Democrats (by any other name)
    suck, Obama (by any other name) sucks even more.. but guess what..
    tha evidence that is stacking up indicates = “we the people” suck the
    most.. 😛

    ==

  • CatoRenasci

    #47 February 18, 2012 at 3:29 pm
    bg commented:

    ++

    CatoRenasci #45 February 18, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    WHERE??

    WHERE WAS THE ATTACK ON PROTESTANTISM??

    ummm, when you say mainline Protestantism in this country… it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it you’re attacking Protestantism.

    You seem to miss that according to Catholic doctrine, especially as viewed by conservative Catholics like Santorum, all Protestants are heretics.

  • margaret

    WHERE??

    WHERE WAS THE ATTACK ON PROTESTANTISM??

    this:

    but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.

    this would be the attack on protestanism…no spin, no critical thinking…the man clearly says that protestants are gone from the world of christianity in his opinion…while his opinion of my faith doesn’t matter one whit to me, i would never and have never thought that only one sect of christians is the only true religion and would never tell another religion that they are WRONG and have been infiltrated by satan…i may disagree with how other denominations may run their churches or what they believe, but when it comes to what is true and right, it’s not up to me or you or rick santorum, is it?

  • bg

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    CatoRenasci #52 February 18, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    okay, i understand what you’re saying..

    what i do not understands is exactly where does “Santorum
    to Mainline Protestants: You Are Satan’s Spawn
    ” come in??

    ==

  • margaret

    #50 February 18, 2012 at 3:34 pm
    bg commented:
    ++

    btw, i support Gingrich for President!!

    he’s going to have one hell of a cabinet, woot!!

    and i hope this is you trying to be funny…

  • CatoRenasci

    margaret wrote:

    i would never and have never thought that only one sect of christians is the only true religion and would never tell another religion that they are WRONG and have been infiltrated by satan…i may disagree with how other denominations may run their churches or what they believe, but when it comes to what is true and right, it’s not up to me or you or rick santorum, is it?

    You are obviously not an ultramontane Roman Catholic – that is precisely is precisely Roman Catholic doctrine: the encylicals espousing such ideas and condemning as “Americanism” the approval of separation of church and state and the toleration of Protestantism, such as the reactionary Pio Nono (Pius IX) in the Syllabus of Errors or Leo XIII’s Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae or Pius XII’s To be Christian one must be Roman. One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth” (Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957), are still good Canon law.

  • bg

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    margaret #53 February 18, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    the Judea-Christian ethic (based on Protestantism, but not devoid of
    Catholic influences) that this country was founded on is in shambles,
    and we all know it, that said..

    nothing he stated translates to anything even
    close to Protestantism being satans spawn..

    re: [He was successful. He attacks all of
    us and he attacks all of our institutions.]

    satan has attacked America and all of her institutions = not excluding
    Catholicism in with the original Judea-Christian ethic, but also not the
    majority in the days of our Founding Fathers.. to wit he points to how
    undeniably eroded that ethic has become since the Founding Fathers
    days.. iow: he wasn’t attacking Protestantism, he was trying to defend
    it by pointing out the truth, much like Cosby did expressing truths about
    Black folks fall from Grace..’

    yeah, he too got pounded and pillaged based
    on others comprehension of facts v feelings..

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  • bg

    ++

    margaret #55 February 18, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    oh no, not at all, and not only that, but
    bet i’m even more surprised than you..

    a bit more of much more here..

    ==

  • CatoRenasci

    If you want to understand why anyone who is not an ultramontane Catholic should be suspicious (to say the least) of Santorum, consider his express rejection of JFK’s statement about the absolute separation of Church and State in 1960.

    So, why were American Protestants suspicious of Catholics as presidential candidates before JFK, and what is approved Catholic doctrine on the separation of Church and State? Try Leo XIII’s encyclical Longinqua oceani in 1895), which is still good Canon Law:

    But, moreover (a fact which it gives pleasure to acknowledge), thanks are due to the equity of the laws which obtain in America and to the customs of the well-ordered Republic. For the Church amongst you, unopposed by the Constitution and government of your nation, fettered by no hostile legislation, protected against violence by the common laws and the impartiality of the tribunals, is free to live and act without hindrance. Yet, though all this is true, it would be very erroneous to draw the conclusion that in America is to be sought the type of the most desirable status of the Church, or that it would be universally lawful or expedient for State and Church to be, as in America, dissevered and divorced. The fact that Catholicity with you is in good condition, nay, is even enjoying a prosperous growth, is by all means to be attributed to the fecundity with which God has endowed His Church, in virtue of which unless men or circumstances interfere, she spontaneously expands and propagates herself; but she would bring forth more abundant fruits if, in addition to liberty, she enjoyed the favor of the laws and the patronage of the public authority.

    Or the Church’s express hostility of freedom of expression and individual liberty from Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae , also by Leo XIII:

    It is well, then, to particularly direct attention to the opinion which serves as the argument in behalf of this greater liberty sought for and recommended to Catholics.

    It is alleged that now the Vatican decree concerning the infallible teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff having been proclaimed that nothing further on that score can give any solicitude, and accordingly, since that has been safeguarded and put beyond question a wider and freer field both for thought and action lies open to each one. But such reasoning is evidently faulty, since, if we are to come to any conclusion from the infallible teaching authority of the Church, it should rather be that no one should wish to depart from it, and moreover that the minds of all being leavened and directed thereby, greater security from private error would be enjoyed by all. And further, those who avail themselves of such a way of reasoning seem to depart seriously from the over-ruling wisdom of the Most High-which wisdom, since it was pleased to set forth by most solemn decision the authority and supreme teaching rights of this Apostolic See-willed that decision precisely in order to safeguard the minds of the Church’s children from the dangers of these present times.

    These dangers, viz., the confounding of license with liberty, the passion for discussing and pouring contempt upon any possible subject, the assumed right to hold whatever opinions one pleases upon any subject and to set them forth in print to the world, have so wrapped minds in darkness that there is now a greater need of the Church’s teaching office than ever before, lest people become unmindful both of conscience and of duty.

  • bg

    ++

    CatoRenasc #60 February 18, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    excuse me.. but i think you’re placing way too much ‘ecumenical
    baggage’ on Santorum’s plate.. he’s NOT the POPE, nor does he
    pretend to speak for the CHURCH.. so get real..

    ==

  • No Nic

    But I thought the Roman Catholic Church was the Whore of Babylon? I thought the Pope engaged in secret Nazi Zionist Satanic rituals in the crypt of St. Peter’s using the blood of freshly killed babies wrest from Huguenot mothers’ arms? Are you telling me that everything I know is wrong?

    John Calvin in spinning in his grave, people!

  • No Nic

    @Cato

    The Nicene Creed says this: “I believe in ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC church. I acknowledge ONE BAPTISM for the forgiveness of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.”

    Catholics affirm this belief at every mass. If they do not believe this, they are heretics.

    The Nicene creed clearly states that other churches are FALSE and their leaders are the FALSE PROPHETS Jesus warned us about.

    Tell me again why Protestants who believe in freedom of conscience or Calvinists who believe the RCC is the Whore of Babylon would vote for a man who affirms the Nicene Creed weekly?

  • CatoRenasci

    bg – I’m not placing any ‘ecumenical baggage’ on Santorum’s plate, I’m simply putting the thing’s he’s said in context with Catholic teaching. Santorum represents a particular tendency in the Roman Catholic Church to reject individual liberty and the separation of church and state as we know it in America, harkening back to the pre-Vatican II, pre-JFK’s election days when such ideas were expressly described (as in the various things I’ve quoted) as incompatible with Catholicism. Unfortunately, far too many Americans, even American Catholics who aren’t into this stuff, don’t have a clue about this history and of the uneasy relationship between the claims of the Pope to secular power and the American republic.

  • No Nic

    @Cato 52

    Every evangelical fundamentalist I’ve ever met considered the mainline Protestant churches to be “wicked”.

    I’ve noticed that upper middle class and rich prots go mainline, while the poor, working class and increasingly pinched middle classes go either charismatic or evangelical. (Fundamentalist is a mind disease all its own. I’ve seen it make otherwise comfortable middle class people poor, for example, and seems full of “wolves in sheep’s clothing” who seek to dominate others spiritually, mentally, physically.)

    Still, it’s tone deaf for a Catholic to say these things.

    Methinks he is revealing his true allegiances, however. He is a member of Opus Dei, the fascist-loving lay arm of the Catholic dominionists, who have formed a wicked worldly alliance with evangelical and fundamentalist powerhouses in order to advance their mutual political goals (such as getting sweet, sweet government cash with no strings or oversight). Mainline churches have long been defenders of the separation between church and state. Thus, they must be marginalized or suborned.

  • CatoRenasci

    @ No Nic: you’re right. No Protestant who takes his or her religion seriously would ever vote for Santorum. Unfortunately, Santorum wants to be the Republican candidate for President of the United States. A majority of Republicans are not Roman Catholic, and a majority of Americans are not Roman Catholic — all heretics or pagans or jews (who aren’t really either, but are just as damned….). Ergo, Santorum is unelectable. Brings you back to the days of yesteryear like 1928 when American voters rejected Al Smith.

  • CatoRenasci

    #65 February 18, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    No Nic commented:

    Methinks he is revealing his true allegiances, however. He is a member of Opus Dei, the fascist-loving lay arm of the Catholic dominionists, who have formed a wicked worldly alliance with evangelical and fundamentalist powerhouses in order to advance their mutual political goals (such as getting sweet, sweet government cash with no strings or oversight). Mainline churches have long been defenders of the separation between church and state. Thus, they must be marginalized or suborned.

    You make my point – that he is an ultramontane who doesn’t believe in individual liberty or the separation of church and state – in a slightly different way. The mainline Protestant churches have many faults – one might even say they have become wicked, but I would not go that far – but they have consistently supported religious liberty and rational separation of church and state at least since the disestablishment of the last churches in New England in the 1st quarter of the 19th century.

  • wanumba

    Sounds more like Santorum when he specifically mentioned schools, then churches was alluding to the Left’s ie: communists/socialists “Long March through the Institutions.”

    The Left being from the Latin “sinister” and the hand and voice of Satan in the world.

  • CatoRenasci

    #65 February 18, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    No Nic commented:

    I’ve noticed that upper middle class and rich prots go mainline, while the poor, working class and increasingly pinched middle classes go either charismatic or evangelical. (Fundamentalist is a mind disease all its own. I’ve seen it make otherwise comfortable middle class people poor, for example, and seems full of “wolves in sheep’s clothing” who seek to dominate others spiritually, mentally, physically.)

    This has been true for a very, very long time. Social class is very often the most important thing that divides various Protestant denominations. Florence King, a wickedly funny writer, wrote a very perceptive, very funny book, WASP, Where is Thy Sting? (New York 1977) which talks about this in hilarious detail in terms which still ring true over 30 years later. You should really run a copy down, you will be amused and (if you’re not a Protestant or WASP) be far better informed.

  • Peter Warner

    Santorum’s quotes are not saying anything that thousands of devoted Christians around the world are not also saying. The conduct of the modern church community has separated from Christ’s teachings and the guidance of the apostles. This is the doing of forces working among us, manipulating our ignorance, and our own weakness toward temptations.

    All of which is plainly evident, even in this discussion. Ask yourself, is the comment you are reading seeking to divide and demean, or uplift?

    Modern media is (for the most part) either ignorant of Scripture, or assisting in misleading society away from Scripture.

    Don’t be misled. Read the Bible yourself.

    Best regards, Peter Warner.

  • wanumba

    #65 February 18, 2012 at 5:28 pm
    No Nic commented:

    I’ve noticed that upper middle class and rich prots go mainline, while the poor, working class and increasingly pinched middle classes go either charismatic or evangelical. (Fundamentalist is a mind disease all its own.
    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    I’ve noticed you have some pretty questionable paranoid issues of your own, seeing fascists and mind diseases.

    What kind of double-talking, dishonest fruitcake one would have to be to agree with your bizarre analysis?

  • wanumba

    #70 February 18, 2012 at 5:54 pm
    Peter Warner commented:

    Modern media is (for the most part) either ignorant of Scripture, or assisting in misleading society away from Scripture.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    Indeed. The media is expressly one of the institutions long since marched through by the Left, in order to control the “narrative.”

    “Divide”, “confuse” and destructive disinformation.

  • Atticus Dogsbody

    @No Nic, 5:20 pm: “The Nicene creed clearly states that other churches are FALSE and their leaders are the FALSE PROPHETS Jesus warned us about.”

    I’d like confirmation from Jesus that the Nicene creed is correct about other churches and their leaders. That’s not gonna happen though, is it?

  • wanumba

    #74 February 19, 2012 at 8:07 pm
    Atticus Dogsbody commented:

    @No Nic, 5:20 pm: “The Nicene creed clearly states that other churches are FALSE and their leaders are the FALSE PROPHETS Jesus warned us about.”

    I’d like confirmation from Jesus that the Nicene creed is correct about other churches and their leaders. That’s not gonna happen though, is it?
    :::::::::::::::::::

    Our Protestant church read the Nicene Creed every Sunday, too. If the church, whatever denomination it is doesn’t preach the essential of the Creed, then it is false. When the Creed was established, it was speaking to the Body of Christ, not to a narrow restriction only to the Pope in Rome, there was no “Catholic Church” or “Protestant Church.”

    PLenty of inidividual Catholic CHurches as run by their priests and congregations are false, as are plenty of individual Protestant CHurches, likewise plenty of both DO preach correctly.
    “Sheep from the goats.”

    No Nic presented a disinformation lie.

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