Sarah Palin: “In a Debate Newt Gingrich Would Clobber Barack Obama” (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, January 28, 2012, 11:51 PM
Sarah Palin told Judge Jeanine Pirro tonight that Newt Gingrich is the best Republican candidate who can articulate solutions the best.
“Newt Gingrich would clobber Obama.”
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MikeO commented:
He certainly didn’t show it in the last one; Santorum out-performed both Newt and Mitt.
Spike commented:
One outta twenty there Mike
James commented:
Newt is for amnesty. I am voting Romney.
Aaron Z. commented:
Well, the problem is that Newt wasn’t able to turn aside Wolf Blitzer the way he did John King. Blitzer hung in there, forcing Gingrich to repeat what he’d said about Romney in his ads, and Romney gave his strongest answer yet on the subject of defending capitalism. Newt ended up just standing there in silence.
Obama will only agree to two debates, maximum, and all the moderators will be running interference for him. The debates will be rigged to make the Republican look angry, crazy, racist, etc. The chastising of the mainstream media worked for Newt in South Carolina, but it won’t play in a general election because two-thirds of the country are liberal or moderate.
I know Rush says that every time we run a moderate like Dole or McCain, we lose, but remember that when Dole ran, Perot was there to split the anti-Clinton vote, and Obama was–in Joe Biden’s words–”the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.” Way too many Americans voted for Obama as an act of racial charity and atonement, and besides, the country was sick of Bush and thought Obama would change everything. McCain probably couldn’t have won no matter what he did. And although I support Palin, her negatives were already sky high after the press got done with her.
In November, none of that will apply. We’ve already sacrificed decades’ worth of wealth to atone for slavery, and what we got for it is a nasty, condescending, incompetent president who takes our money and stuffs it into the pockets of his cronies while lecturing us about how we’re just so disappointing to him.
Obama can be beaten in 2012, but currently the polls show Obama beating Gingrich by about 20 points. Gingrich’s entire political career, right up to his current campaign, is erratic and inconsistent. Sometimes he’s great, and sometimes he’s awful.
It’s not guaranteed that he would “clobber” Obama in the debates, and even if he did, it’s not a sure thing that it would mean victory. The GOP nominee is going to face incredible odds, because the media will pull out all the stops to save their Precious.
It’s not clear that Newt is up to the job. He’s had to withdraw or disavow several political ads, which is not a good sign. He needs to appeal to a broad mass of people, not just conservatives, to get elected.
Estragon commented:
Besides the debates where Newt was able to score an early goal with taking down the questioners, there has been nothing that would indicate he would “mop the floor with Obama” at all.
I don’t know what Sarah Palin or the rest of the Newt fans were doing from the late ’90s to say, 2009 when he finally abandoned support for the individual health care mandate, 2010 when he savaged conservatives who backed Doug Hoffman in NY-23 right up until the day his beloved Dede endorsed the Democrat, or last May when he called the Ryan budget plan “right wing social engineering, or even this month when he attacked capitalism for personal political gain, but I’ve been watching him.
His dagger is crusted thick with blood from the backs of conservatives.
We kicked him out as Speaker for good reasons. Learn them – faster, please.
Andrew X commented:
Hell, Palin would clobber Obama, and woulda paid dearly to see that!
One point that has been made that needs to be repeated is that Obama might agree to two debates, just because he pretty much has to (though maybe even not). Quite frankly, let’s not overstate the impact of “clobbering” Obama in a debate or two. Yes, it would happen and would be fun to see, but I don’t think it is wise to nominate a candidate on that alone. It’s like a football team with a stellar Quarterback/Wide Receiver tandem. It may get you to the playoffs, but if the entire defense sucks, that’s gonna be all she wrote.
I admire Gingrich’s mind in a lot of ways, but he lost a lot of me with this moon base nonsense. It’s a perfect example of a brilliant but totally undisciplined mind. Not only can we not begin to afford it (a fundamental part of his entire philosophy), but it is totally the wrong time to even be talking about such things. (Not to mention that the primary impediment to going to Mars, other than finances, is not technological, but is human physiology. Once man gets there, he will likely be unable to walk, and then will have the whole trip home still. We have not even begun to adress that, and, right now, even thinking about it is akin to buying rare model trains for thousands of dollars while the house is being foreclosed.) Newt just has too many negatives among the millions who do not read Gateway Pundit and the like.
I am flat out miserable with the GOP line-up. All our best are on the bench, and I just don’t know where to go with that.
Weeee….. Romney. Yay.
Whatever.
FurryGuy commented:
Yeah, the GOP Elites bleated loudly because Newt was about to upset their “go along to get along” applecart, so the Beltway Insiders did every Democrat-inspired dirty trick it took to get rid of him.
Is Newt perfect? Hardly, but then no one is perfect. Even Reagan had his failings.
Mark Adams commented:
Of course he would mop the floor with Obama. None of the other candidates have that ability. Romney stumbles over himself (and lies) Santorum can do well but not as much passion. Paul… Forget about it!
Molon Labe commented:
My dog could beat Obama in a debate. He has at least twice the intelligence of McCain. But Obama would lose to Newt clearly. Because prior to the debate Obama would have Newt lobotimized and then to insure he had a fighting chance he make sure he had forty teleprompters.
Then he’d make sure the debate was moderated by Ripper.
But Newt would still beat Obama. Because the second Obama would open his mouth his wife Mooochelle Wookie would scream out he husband made her proud to be an American.
Hopeful commented:
#5– excellent points.
I’m tired of La Palin. She’s just getting stale, looks stale, is exaggerating stupidly with her talk of “Cannibalism”. Who died and made her the judge of everything?
For heavens sake, lady, just shut up.
As for Newt– I loved him in the ’80′s when he was a backbencher giving talks on C-span late at night. In the 90′s he made blunder after blunder. Some of them as stupid and petty as complaining he had to get off the back door of Air-Force one instead of the front one used by the President.
He talks too fast and too often without thinking. He’s impulsive. He just doesn’t know how or when to keep his mouth shut. That stupid blabber about populating the moon in his second term is a good example. It’s too bad when that creates problems for him. But if he is the nominee, just one stupid, petty remark like having to use the back door is all that will stand between us and four more years of the Won.
His negatives are so very high, and he looks angry almost all the time. I don’t see how a man with a frown permanently etched into a face that has a chronic pinched mouth, and who has verbal diarrhea is a good choice. Isn’t it said that the man with the sunniest disposition wins? Newt is the absolute opposite of sunny, in demeanor, in speech and in his habitual facial expressions.
He’s conservative if you overlook his big “ideas” that he throws around seemingly for no other reason than he wants to look smarter than everybody else. When you include these ideas, you really can’t predict what he might do as president.
Finally, Callista! That stiff 1960′s bubble of garish yellow hair! And now we all have had to hear how “artistic” she is! She plays the French Horn! I guess that beats the two bare toned arms we have to hear about now, all right. Gingrich and Callista together are a hostile cartooner’s paradise.
Molon Labe commented:
Its sad to see Americans would forgo space for foodstamps and more crony capitalism. Well as Greece and Italy goes so goes the USA. Romney remains the choice of the mobys, RINOs, and failed Obamaists. Ron Paul has been beamed up to the mothership.
I believe Santorum would mop the floor with the Dear Leader who cannot defend his regime and four year plans.
If Romney trots out I ran the Olympics one more time I’ll just ask if he has ever actually organized and started a business or run one successfully. There is a vast difference between investing in a company and running one.
So in short Romney is a failure.
Molon Labe commented:
#3
What makes you think Romney isn’t for amnesty. He has supported it before. This is what I called limited thinking.
Freedomplow commented:
Newt is being told by his family and handlers to be nice, and smile more.
Our country is in jeopardy Newt.
This is no time to be nice.
The base likes you because you are smart to be angry.
We are angry.
And we want you to fight.
Stop taking advice from your granddaughter who wants you to smile more and start landing some haymakers.
People want to vote for a fighter.
Molon Labe commented:
#12
This commercial is paid by the RINO committee (aka Soros People United) to elect Romney, the man who brought you Obamacare.
Hope and Change in 2012 with Mitt instead of Obama!
Sounds kinda stale don’t you think hopeful?
Hope and Change commented:
I’m so tired of of the mobys and RINOs. They’re stale, redundant, and stupid. Who annointed them?
For heavens sake, RINOs and mobys, just shut up.
As for Romney– He has always been a McCain wannabe, an Obama Lite. AS flip flopper and a loser who decalred himself to be a progressive independent. Fiine let him run as a dhimmie.
The Mobys and RINOs hate Newt and conservatives because he thinks too fast for them and he crushes them in debates withhout thinking or apparent effort. They hate that. He just shuts down his opponents and the MSM. God knows what he’d do to Obama. They really hate him pointing out the possibilities in space exploration because they rather spend trillions on the war and poverty and advocate for free drugs. The fauilures of Obama’s schemes irriatates them no end because they know space has true possibilities rather than their rainbow and unicorn schemes. It’s too bad when that creates problems for the RINOs and Marxists. If he is the nominee, we can count on the same crazed leftists attempting to use the meme that a stupid, petty remark like “57 states, or not being able to visit Vienna because he doesn’t speak Austrian, or seeing a town destroyed by a tornado that killed 10,000 people that never occured” will force him to use the back door or Obama will get four more years.
We can vcount on the Rombots to do this over and over while they discount Romney’s miserable record and countless lies and Kerry like tales.
His negatives are so very high, and he looks angry almost all the time. I don’t see how a man with a frown permanently etched into a face that has a chronic pinched mouth, and who has verbal diarrhea is a good choice. Isn’t it said that the man with the sunniest disposition wins? Newt is the absolute opposite of sunny, in demeanor, in speech and in his habitual facial expressions.
He’s conservative if you overlook his big “ideas” that he throws around seemingly for no other reason than he wants to look smarter than everybody else. When you include these ideas, you really can’t predict what he might do as president.
Finally, Callista! That stiff 1960′s bubble of garish yellow hair! And now we all have had to hear how “artistic” she is! She plays the French Horn! I guess that beats the two bare toned arms we have to hear about now, all right. Gingrich and Callista together are a hostile cartooner’s paradise.
Redwine commented:
Newt spoke at an event in West Palm Beach with Allen West tonight.
Utterly wonderful!
Just imagine a Gingrich/West ticket!
Freedomplow commented:
And its ok to call stupid people stupid.
We all think most people are stupid.
Brilliant speech on space btw.
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Newt-Gingrich-Holds-Rally-Along-Florida39s-quotSpace-Coastquot/10737427532/
Watch the whole thing and learn something.
Little Orenthal commented:
Sarah, have you been drinking drain cleaner again?
I think the mask slipped a tad here. She wants to win a debate, not an election. nice.
4 more years of Obama would be great for her career… She could whine about the injustice on facebook, etc.. Maybe she hopes to get her own show on Fox? An Obama win could make that happen. While she Knows full well, that even if Obama collapses the entire country, Alaska will be fine on its own. Sarah, how about being out of work for a year and paying $4/gallon gas here in CA? yeah thats right, its been $4 for 3 years now. But not a word from the media. The entire neighborhood seems to be home during the day. Unemployment since Obama seized power has tripled. Obama is a destroyer of nations, a parasite sucking the blood from the honest people of America.
We must win or its over. OVER. Sarah go. to. hell.
Gingrich, really? “Capitalism is evil” Gingrich? A ‘real politik Wilsonian’ Gingrich? Free money from freddy and living off the gov’t cheese for his whole life Gingrich? And Sarah thinks he’s the anti-establishment.. ok.
PUT DOWN THE DRAIN CLEANER. Also, stop getting makeup advice from frankenstein movies
Redwine commented:
Andrew (#8) – Don’t get lost over Newt’s moon base thing. It’s very important, especially in a race to beat both the Russians and the Chinese to mine Helium 3: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01/newts-moonbase-could-provide-enough-helium-3-in-one-space-shuttle-load-to-power-entire-us-for-a-year/
PhilipJames commented:
What a deceiving post. In this interview, Judge Pirro was pushing Romney like her life depended on it… or her paycheck.
Where is all of this interview? Why post just a little over 1 minute of what was a 15 minute intervew? Just had to edit it to make a point? How about watching all of it to hear her say good things about Santorum and Paul and even Romney?
Here it is:
http://www.sarahnet.net/sarahnet-news/6191-video-gov-palin-joins-jeanine-pirro-jan-28-2012-interview.html
gus commented:
What scares me and confounds me, is how many of “us”, GP pundit Conservatives, who have picked Gingrich or have picked Romney, and have started feuding like the HATFIELDS and McCOYS.
I’ll vote for whichever one of these two, less than conservative, mainstream Republican candidates survives.
But Holy B’Jesus. Neither Gingrich nor Romney has anything about them to get ANYONE jazzed up. Both are acceptable, both are flawed, both have good points, and both have bad points.
Where has the big TUG of WAR come from here??
Seriously. For every Romneyite, there is a GingrichER and vise versa. Both are flawed, NEITHER is Conservative.
I’m at a loss here.
reformation commented:
OT-
what do you guys think about a possible Newt / Allen West ticket?
Freedomplow commented:
Allen West’s whole speech… He lights it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4RbBetmWKY
Rock90210 commented:
I agree with you Little O. What have all of these Newt worshippers been drinking? Newt not conservative. He’s undisciplined and frankly unprincipalled. Mitt has him beat there by a ton on those two points even if he has changed a few views from the past. And by the way Mitt could have taken the easy pandering way out last Thursday by promising moon rocks and amnesty for illegal immigrants but he didn’t – while Newt did. Mitt pushed back on pandering and saying we need to obey our laws (and that’s alot more than McCain even did). So who’s going to change Washington? It is quite clear to me.
Rock90210 commented:
And the other , but even more major point – is that no sitting Republican wants Newt on the ticket for fear of losing the House and Senate. So what if Newt can win a debate? Romney can too (and frankly won all the earlier ones here as well). That won’t matter much in the general – it needs to be turned around on Obama. Otherwise they will just run against the crazy Newt.
Mitt has to win to keep the House and retake the Senate. Period. Otherwise we are all toast. I have now lost all respect for Sarah unfortunately.
Freedomplow commented:
Allen West on fire…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4RbBetmWKY
Freedomplow commented:
Ann Coulter has gone full RINO.
Andrew X commented:
Redwine, point well taken, and it’s an interesting one.
But the tell is the Mars talk. Frankly, my assement stands…… we DON’T have the money for us to go find on Mars EXACTLY what our Mars rovers have already found.
And I would not be the least suprised if there comes an international consensus that we cannot afford to maintain the International Space Station either. We’ve already blown it on the means to get us there, why not consider that we’ve equally blown our fanincial abilities to keep it. We are one Russian rocket explosion away from possibly having to abandon it….. “temporarily”, of course. Uh huh.
The pains me horribly, I have always thought of myself as a space geek. But this is where our politicians and “ruling elites” have led us.
It’s pathetic.
Mary Sue commented:
I agree 1000% The tug of war is manufactured – albeit somewhat justifiably- by Palin, who somehow sees Gingrich as a flawed proxy for the battle waged against her in 2008. If we are to have that battle, Gingrich is the last person worthy of even the limited benefits such a divisive and self-destructive crusade might bring. I have always defended and respected Palin but I believe her intervention here is misguided.
Extending this grueling primary with these flawed candidates has some benefit in strengthening candidates. It is not worth it, however, if this is going to result in a division that leaves these weak candidates even weaker when one ultimately faces Obama. Palin has done her best though and if Gingrich doesn’t pull out a miracle Tuesday, she ought to leave it alone and let voters decide. Nobody has enough delegates and 1100 needed to win means the contest goes on regardless.
nana commented:
Obama???Mitt?? Newt???, Newt is the better alternative among them three evils. Romneycare is Obamacare and it has to go.
mackykam commented:
Hey, Hopeful or Hopeless #12:
Leave off Callista. I’m sure she won’t tell the world that this is the first time she’s proud of America.
And besides, we don’t know what your drag queen wife looks like! But I’m betting she’s got a face like a toe corn.
nana commented:
I am to the point, whoever Sarah endorsed will get my vote.
Freedomplow commented:
Go to Florida Sarah… Shake up the RINOS…
Bring Breitbart with you.
McCain and Dole lost because they are total RINOS.
Fionnagh commented:
Only Gingrich and Santorum have addressed a looming, imminent, worldwide crisis – the unfettered rise of Islam. Romney skirts around the topic and, IMO, will never tackle it head-on. He most assuredly won’t bring it to the forefront against BHO. Both Gingrich and Santorum would. Since Santorum’s so low in the polls – any poll unless you live in Iowa – that leaves Gingrich to lead the charge. It’s Gingrich who has and will continue to bring the term “Jihad” to the attention of the misinformed general public. In addition to Jihad and sharia, it’s Gingrich who has NO problem discussing BHO’s connection with Alinsky and socialism. It’s Gingrich who’s been putting his head on the block in order to get the bigger message out. He may go down in flames for doing that. If so, I’m going down with him.
As for a Gingrich/West ticket – oh my, dare we dream?? No one can articulate the danger of Islam better than West.
jorgen commented:
All you Romney-fans should ask yourselves: “Do I really want Obama/Romney-care?”
Hammerjack commented:
Gov. Sarah & Judge Jeanine: Two firm, fit, fiery fashionable females with beautiful burnished auburn hair.
So What commented:
Zero has compared himself FDR. Here is a so called president who has only said present many times. He has never accepted any responsbility for anything. He letes others do his work and he takes credit. I don’t see him debating anyone at all. FDR didn’t either.
RedBeard commented:
Even if we take it as a given that Gingrich is a superior debater, a point about which I have some doubts, winning debates does not translate into winning elections.
I want Obama gone. Period. Since there are no Republicans left who I can enthusiastically support, the goal of kicking out Obama will determine who I will choose in the Florida primary.
MaxTruth commented:
Palin seems to be the only passionate Republican leader that is fully behind the Tea Party. Why would any Tea Party supporter even consider voting for Mitt Romney? He is against just about everything we believe the government should be – Constitutional, small, nonintrusive, etc. Romney’s view of government is to manage it while we want it taken apart.
Locutisprime commented:
Giving Romney the nomination is insuring that Obama will get another four years. America had better wake up to the party line fix that is in and do something while they can.
RedBeard commented:
The only reason I might vote for Romney is if I come to the conclusion that he is the candidate most likely to beat Obama in November. It certainly wouldn’t be because I agree with him all the time. He’s a classic RINO.
Bottom line, though, is that the worst RINO is to Obama as a serial jaywalker is to a bank robber.
bg commented:
There are going to be three meaningless debates, so who cares.
Newt uses the language of the left to attack. His new super pac ad is the same as the AFSCME ad against Romney. Newt cares for Newt and would burn down the party for his benefit.
tcircle commented:
Estragon commented:
“Besides the debates where Newt was able to score an early goal with taking down the questioners, there has been nothing that would indicate he would “mop the floor with Obama” at all.”
Sounds like you need estrogen levels are off.
jasper commented:
So what if Gingrich can debate? Obama can read a teleprompter. Both are incompetent in leadership and neither can be trusted. Do not let someone tell you their opinion! Do your own research! The powers that be want Gingrich, Romney, Santorum or Obama to get into the White House. All believe Big Government is the answer. It is a fools choice for the American voters. If one of these four win we Americans lose and Government will get bigger.
Most importantly steer clear of the pundits. Find websites that provide accurate information about candidates. Don’t blow your vote by basing it on opinions of others. Base it on facts. Base it on what you would want. Base it on what would be best for your children.
What if there were selections on the ballot that read “Make my selection same as Palin’s” or “Make my selection same as Lady Gaga’s” you certainly would not want to select these choices! Would you? THINK!
Deborah commented:
It isn’t about whether or not Newt can beat obama in a debate….after all, many voted last time for an orator, a “pop” star…a guy they’d “like to have a beer with.”
This is about honesty, integrity, true conservatism. I don’t want the President to be my friend, I want a strong leader who will fight for freedom and have respect for the Constitution. Newt is none of the above.
Tom63010 commented:
When I consider Romney vs Newt I ask myself, since each has held a pubic office, what did they DO when they were held office? Newt Gingrich fought for Conservative principles and Romney voted for Liberal ideas.
I really get angry with Romney when he acts like he has nothing to do with the campaign.
I also take issue that Bain Capital should be a non-issue. While I agree that there are companies that benefited from their intervention there were others that they raided. I recently commented on Sarah Palin’s Facebook Page and got this response that was enlightening to me:
“One company threatened to sue Bain for “unjust enrichment” after Bain took out huge loans in the company’s name and transferred the money to themselves right before the company went bankrupt.
http://www.romneygekko.com/mitt/ ”
I have come to the belief that Mitt Romney will be “Obama Lite”.
I think while it is true that all rich are and corporations are not evil it is also true that all rich people and corporations should be allowed to financially rape and pillage their fellow citizens. We don’t want our government to do that to it’s citizens why is it OK for our citizens to do that to others?
Jim commented:
Sarah: You must not have watched the most recent Florida debates whee Newt stumbled and stuttered and then blamed his poor performance on the make-up of the crowd. Oh yes, one more thing, Sarah: you are a quitter and irrelevant.
samuel Gonzalez commented:
I think a lot off of my fellow conservatives are debate crazy. I think all four of the remaining GOP candidates can defeat Obama in debates. But, I disagree that Newt is the best of the bunch. I’m saying more on my blog.
wanumba commented:
The GOP establishment is proving it is divorced from the grassroots base.
The grassroots base is being evicerated economically, the GOP elites aren’t feeling it or affected in any measure. They have nice salaries, good book deals, get media gigs … they’re comfortable.
The middle class entrepreneurs which hold the true wealth of this nation, responsible for the high standard of living enjoyed by more people than in any other nation on the planet, are being destroyed, expressly targeted by the Left, but the GOP elites are calling them stupid and every vile derogatory name in the book. The communist Left is calling them stupid and calling them every vile name in the book.
The hating, insulting rhetoric between the GOP elite and the Left is indistinguishable.
*Thanks* We’re being shredded out here, but we’re the stupid ones.
This is on track to a complete disaster. Palin gets it.
Lady Mondegreen commented:
Sarah Palin is out of her depth.
wtd commented:
#4 Aaron Z. :”Well, the problem is that Newt wasn’t able to turn aside Wolf Blitzer the way he did John King. ”
Newt is more than capable. Perhaps it was the silent treatment inflicted on the audience or it was
a response to ‘conservative’ pundits, like Ann Coulter’s apoplectic response to Newt’s going Newtclear on King. The very same Ann Coulter who stated at CPAC:
Lone Ranger commented:
The math is inescapable – only 25% of REPUBLICANS will ever/have ever supported Willard Romney. There is no way a candidate with only 25% of the core Republican voters on his side can defeat a Democratic candidate with 100% of the donks voting for him.
We can all hope that the “ABO” – “Anyone But Obama” movement can line up a lot more votes behind an Obama opponent – but this generic support will go to whomever is the opponent. It makes no sense to add this vote to a candidate who inspires – at best – 25% of his own party.
Obama is a miserable excuse for a President – or even for an American – and should have no chance of being reelected. But – he has the entire weight of the fawning main stream media behind him – and sharpening its knives against whoever will ultimately oppose The One.
Newt has all kind of baggage – but he is the only candidate who can perform the necessary on-stage jujitsu to eviscerate the media jackals, and keep a strong message reverberating about the need to “throw the bums out,” and begin turning the Titanic away from the icebergs.
Willard is just a half-ass version of Obama – and the MSM will obliterate him. If you want Obama, you want the whole deal – not a half-ass approximation. If you want Obama GONE, you want a drastic change and redirection – not merely a weaker version of Obama.
Willard is the wrong guy for this election, against this incumbent, in this current media environment. It is that simple. He’s a fairly accomplished leader and businessman, with many admirable qualities. But – in 2012 – his profile is toxic – and hopeless. His supporters need to wake up, and realize that he is the wrong guy for THIS election. ‘Sorry.
Newt has all sorts of barnacles – but he just happens to have the right combination of strengths, in just the right places, to make him a credible and possibly even compelling alternative to Obama. He is a far from ideal candidate – and he may yet implode. But – he is the last, best great hope to unseat the pathetic pretender who now sits in the Oval Office. Romney cannot do it, Paul cannot do it, and Santorum cannot do it – they all have up-side limitations that simply cannot overcome the mathematics of the game. Newt may ultimately have too many negatives to prevail – but he is the only one with a chance.
The general election competition is going to be about Oratory – selling a vision, and poking holes in the competing vision. There is no one – NO ONE – who can shred Obama’s vision, poke holes in Obama’s oratory, and paint a compelling alternative vision as can Newt Gingrich. And – he can do it over the dead bodies of Obama’s MSM enablers.
Newt can also probably attract to government service the best slate of conservative minds to try to reverse the Titanic’s course – think John Bolton, for starters.
In another scenario, against a different opponent, at a different time – Romney would be a good candidate – maybe even a great candidate. But – he would be toast in 2012, against Obama. That’s a fact.
Ron Paul is a rambling character who is dismissed out of hand by the vast majority – notwithstanding his very loyal following among a fixed minority of voters.
Rick Santorum is not yet ready for prime time – he belongs in the 2016 or 2020 race – along with Christie, Rubio, Ryan – maybe Jeb Bush, Bobby Jindal.
Newt is all we have. So – let’s put our full force of support behind him – to obliterate Obama in a massive show of repudiation of his policies.
Wondering commented:
I agree with the thought of a Newt / West ticket. Wow. Newts interview with Greta was excellent. Newt can clobber obama in debates by using facts. The problem is obama, his base and the media don’t care about facts. They distort, lie and character assassinate anyone opposed to their socialist agenda. It gonna be tough.
Ella commented:
As much as I despise the ugly b*st*rd, get ready for another four years of obama. With this type of viciousness and division in our own party it is inevitable. On the other hand, the left very much deserves more obama destruction of their own lives, the terrible thing is we will be along for the ride.
JenBee commented:
The debates against Obama will be very important because it’s likely to be one of the only chances a Conservative will have almost unfettered access to promote Conservative values to all those liberals and moderates who never watch or read the news except for what the mainstream media feeds them, taken from Democratic talking points. Thus it’s imperative we have someone up there who can very clearly articulate the differences between Conservatism and Socialism and state why Conservative values and ideas are better for the middle class individual. Yes, ALL of our candidates are RINO’s, and they all have many cons… so all that considered equal, I’m going for the person who can best define Conservative values to a whole new generation of voters who have been brainwashed to robotically think ‘Republican=Bad’. Newt is the one candidate who can do that, imo.
retire05 commented:
This morning the headline over at C4P is “Rage Against The Machine.”
OK.
So, all you “Us Against The Man” supporters, grow your hair past your shoulders, dust off your old copy of Rules For Radicals, dig out your old tie-dyed t-shirt and those worn out Birkenstocks, and get ready to paint a new sign that says “Us Against The Man.” What is old is new again. And the LSM watches as its goal of spliting the conservative base right down the middle is being acheived by forcing it to war against itself. Nothing destroys more than in-fighting.
And historians agree:
Douglas won the debate against Lincoln
Nixon won the debate against Kennedy
McCain won the debate against Obama.
And the winners of those elections were??????????????????
Meanwhile, Sarah Palin is now trying to convince us that the very type of person she has been railing against for the last 4 years, the “elite establishment policitian” is no longer to be held in disdain because if anyone thinks that Newt Gingrich, with his two decades as a card carrying member of “The Establishment” is now the “outsider”, there isn’t enough Koolaid to sate your thirst for it.
bigL commented:
whatev we do don’t take any repub out of the SENATE for VP. We need them there. IT is hard enough to get them into the Senate. We need 13 more.
And don’t forget Michele Bachmann. she is running for cong in Minn. and Pelosi is determined to get rid of her…toss her campaign some bucks. Bachmann is a great conservative and we need her. and who knows, Franken may have a hissy-fit and yell and pop his cork.
Also if newt wins he will have a real Cabinet and it wlll be some great conservatives. and I don’t think Newt’s Judge selections will be left-wing turds.
tcircle commented:
retire05 commented:
“Meanwhile, Sarah Palin is now trying to convince us that the very type of person she has been railing against for the last 4 years, the “elite establishment policitian” is no longer to be held in disdain because if anyone thinks that Newt Gingrich, with his two decades as a card carrying member of “The Establishment” is now the “outsider”, there isn’t enough Koolaid to sate your thirst for it.”
Ronald Reagan wasn’t a Washington Insider, but I trust that you’re not trying to compare Romney to President Regan. On the other hand, Jimmy Carter wasn’t a Washington Insider. nor was Barack Obama (134 days in office prior to entering the presidential race)…how’d that work out for you?
wanumba commented:
#54 January 29, 2012 at 7:54 am
Lady Mondegreen commented:
Sarah Palin is out of her depth.
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Perhaps YOU are, and thus are so far behind the curve that Palin doesn’t make sense to you.
I am reading the analysis that the housing market is poised for rebound. On what planet? Think a foreclosed man or woman is gonna qualify for a new mortgage even if it’s a downgrade from a $300,000 house to a $70,000 trailer home? The home prices around us have COLLAPSED and NO BUYERS. There are vacant properties all around us … unsold for 4 years.
Can a man or woman owning a $85,000 double wide afford $60,000 to solarize it? We got the estimates just to see what it woudl cost and couldn’t believe it. Think people at $40,00 a year have the money to up front $60,000 and “get it back thru tax credit?” What bank in their right mind is going to approve a $60,000 solar refit on a house worth $85,000?
THat is IF the bank can SELL it at $85,000 in this market? NO, they CAN’T, but the home owners will be PUNISHED for not being “Smart” enough to solarize but being hit with PUNITIVE “necessarily higher electrical rates.” THey are already struggling to meet expenses, higher electrical rates could push them into default. They will sit in cold homes, reduce to a couple of lightbulbs.
DO you KNOW how many out of work skilled tradespeople we have now? Construction has been DEAD for 4 years .. not just 3, strangled by the Pelosi -Reid Congress.
If you don’t get what Palin is talking about, then you have no idea what happening to the middle class.
SM-AZ commented:
Sounds like Sarah’s got her panties in wad because she’s worried about her pick=Newt…don’t care who Sarah & Jim are voting for…we’re voting for Romney!
Travis commented:
Is the 1/2 term governor still around or is she planning her next reality TV show?
Obamas regulation destroy jobs commented:
I just want Valerie Jarrett and the Obama’s out of our COUNTRY they are communists. Jarrett FIL Vernon Jarrett big time communist. Their blueprint is to let America CRASH…
I don’t care which one gets the repub nomination…OMG just save our COUNTRY!!!
Blueprint for America
Control the MEDIA they must have the media…
Union Control-they are their hammers
Shut down Poland defense shields-check
Stop Space program —check (no knew advancement) train Muslims instead
Shut down immigration-check (he sued two states who enforced the law)
Shut down schools-check import sexual indoctrination, communism
Shut down central power grid ELECTRICITY-check gives them power for government control
Shut down COAL MINES-check EPA is a SCAM for power again government control
Shut down all OIL drilling–sell it to Brazil check
Shut down military contacts-check sold fighter plane to Brazil
Shut down military
Shut down water ways-check (closed down CA valley)
Shut down guns-raised bullet prices check
Shut down farmers–control grain–check food prices rise
Shut down TRUCKERS–check (put regulations on breaks and log books) all
prices of sugar, flour, commodities sky high prices
Shut down pharmaceutical drug companies-huge fees on them all drugs will sky rocket
Shut down guns-check raise price of bullets
Shut down Christianity-check hundreds of policies word GOD gone
Shut down congress-check uses Executive Order
Shut down race relations-check
Shut down middle class -check 231 new regulations
Shut down housing- he sued the banks to give loans then he sued them again
Shut down relations with allies-Israel
Shut down CEOs-communists want the power at the top and despise those who have it
Valerie Jarrett is the puppet master..they are smoothing all of us within so they can TRANSFORM America into another RUSSIA dictatorship…
So Romney or Newt whoever we must get rid of her she is insane with power and uses them to get it..communism is what they want in the next 5 years…crash burn the economic system and they can implement communism…we the government..159 new agencies good grief 159????? 16K new IRS agents……we’ll take care of you they have got the unemployed (3 yrs) hooked on a drug waiting for their next fix (their govt check) communism at its best..
saveus commented:
Do we really want a brilliant, ethically challenged, global warming advocate ( sometimes), Pelosi pal (sometimes), Ryan budget basher, Fannie Mae lobbyist adulterer in the White House?
or do we want a Washington “outsider” capitalist rino?
retire05 commented:
wanumba, I do not know where you live, but the housing market in my area, while not booming, is stable, and there is even some growth. If you want to know the real culprit in why certain areas are still seeing a housing bust, I suggest you read Thomas Sowell’s Housing Boom And Bust. Yes, the GSEs, forced by the CRA, played a large part in the bust, but a lot of the blame falls squarely on those localities that over taxed, over regulated, over zoned so that property values were forced artifically high.
And why would you want solar energy fueling your double wide in the first place? It is cost prohibitive to install, has a high risk of damage from Mother Nature herself, and recoupable savings vs. cost can go as high as twenty years, not counting the maintainence/repair costs that will ensue during that time frame. Propane gas, if you do not have accessability to natural gas, is a much better value. Propane tanks can be bought used (there are fed regulations so they have to be tested for safety), they can be buried to avoid the eyesore some people view them as, and new, modern furnaces are energy efficient. You can also run an air conditioner on propane just as many refrigerators are run on propane. And why would you spend $60K to weatherize your mobile home when it is as easy as falling off a log to do it yourself?
I get what Palin is talking about, which is directly opposite of what she was talking about in ’08. And if you don’t see that, you have no idea of how badly you are being duped.
Zawg commented:
Jennine Pirro is a screeching harridan…she talked over and cut off Sarah constantlly with that supremely galling smirk…very condescending and very Mittenesque…why did she bring Sarah on the show if not to humiliate her (she didn’t)…typical Pirro, very overexposed/underwhelming and full of Herself (with apologies to Hiliary/sarc on)
Jim W commented:
Newt may have an ability in debates, but Obama will make sure there are very few. The clobber part that concerns me is that Newt will get CLOBBERED in an election. There is not a way in the world that my independent friends (and I have checked with about 20) will ever vote for this man. Time to face reality. Without the independent vote, the rest is a pipe dream.
wanumba commented:
#68 January 29, 2012 at 9:54 am
retire05 commented:
wanumba, I do not know where you live, but the housing market in my area, while not booming, is stable, and there is even some growth. If you want to know the real culprit in why certain areas are still seeing a housing bust, I suggest you read Thomas Sowell’s Housing Boom And Bust. Yes, the GSEs, forced by the CRA, played a large part in the bust, but a lot of the blame falls squarely on those localities that over taxed, over regulated, over zoned so that property values were forced artifically high.
And why would you want solar energy fueling your double wide in the first place? It is cost prohibitive to install, has a high risk of damage from Mother Nature herself, and recoupable savings vs. cost can go as high as twenty years, not counting the maintainence/repair costs that will ensue during that time frame. Propane gas, if you do not have accessability to natural gas, is a much better value. Propane tanks can be bought used (there are fed regulations so they have to be tested for safety), they can be buried to avoid the eyesore some people view them as, and new, modern furnaces are energy efficient. You can also run an air conditioner on propane just as many refrigerators are run on propane. And why would you spend $60K to weatherize your mobile home when it is as easy as falling off a log to do it yourself?
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Why would anyone want to solarize? It’s inefficient expensive!
THe Democrats are forcing punitive electrical rates on everyone to make solar more “affordable.” Is it going to happen? NO. But there will be a lot of broken eggs along the way to the utopia omelette. The wealthier stroll around intoning their electrical bill is $5 a month – after paying $100,000 to solarize, and how they got all these “tax credits.” But they had the up front cash or financially scure enough to qualify for the bank loan.
You really think I am arguing that I expect that a double-wide owner has “solar” on the top of his list of “to do?” But the reality is the utilities system is being torqued to “encourage” people to go solar by artificially raising the costs of common energy inputs.
That means the upper middle class and rich will retrofit while the middle and lower classes get the higher electrical, oil and propane costs. Is that fair? No one talks about that, but the middle class is already paying higher costs as their once 300,000 house is now $175,00 and till falling.
How are middle class people going to afford these new higher rates on everything, on top of higher vehicle fuel prices, which blows their household budgets, plus makes EVERYTHING more expensive in the supermarket? Do you have any idea how many people are shivering sitting in 50 and 45 F degree houses right now, trying to preserve the cash to pay the mortgage one more month? How many entire towns are not sending any high school grads to college? They don’t qualify for all these LOANS and GRANTS we keep hearing about?
I live in an area that has a high number of tradespeople … they are highly skilled and OUT OF WORK. We bought 3 years ago… every place we saw that had a sign then has been sitting – vacant still today. I expected to see a lot of people downgrade from $400,000 foreclosures to $90,000 doublewides, but the places sit vacant, with weeds… the people cannot get bank loans for the cheap places. Bad credit. People are TRAPPED.
I do not need to read a BOOK about the reality around town. The Washington Beltway ELite is everything of the stereotype: truly truly OUT OF TOUCH. The Upper GOP won’t get it until they get thrown out of their homes…and then it’ll be, “Well, where we you when we asked for help, but you told us we were stupid?”
Wm T Sherman commented:
This seems to assume that the general election will be decided by debates. Unfortunately, that is not the case.
Dale commented:
Is it just me or is Sarah a little tone deaf lately? Did NEWT honestly clobber Mitt in the last debate????? Everyone KNOWS NEWT LOST!!! Guess her endorsement of Newt will turn out like her endorsement of Christine I’m not a witch, I’m you O’Donnell, and her endorsement of the no-name senator that lost to Lisa Murkowski in Alaska. Sarah is losing relevance, she couldn’t pull a populist majority in her own party so she dropped out of the race she wasn’t running in.
kozanne commented:
I do apologize in advance for going off topic, but if you folks would take just a few minutes out of your day today to pray for Bella Santorum, who is in the hospital. Her mom and dad are with her, and Rick Santorum’s campaign website has released a brief statement and that events scheduled to take place this morning have been cancelled. Rick will return to FL as soon as his family situation stabilizes.
http://www.ricksantorum.com/blog/2011/10/meet-our-daughter-bella
Highly recommend watching this short video
May God bless Bella and the Santorum family.
Conservative to the Core commented:
Perhaps Palin is angling for a brokered convention where she can step in.
Nanna commented:
Zwag#69
I so agree with you about Judge Pirro. I was furious at her condescending manner to Sarah Palin. She was horrifically rude to her, and managed to cut her off in mid sentence at the end, claiming a hard break. She constantly bated her, and then tried (emphasis on tried) to make her look stupid for her answer. Like the question on who could beat Obama, when Sarah Palin said that by the numbers, Newt can beat Obama hands down in a debate. She (Jeanine Pirro) smugly said that By the numbers Romney would win. Fox has now so many lefties, and rinos on their station, that they have lost the thing that made them so popular. They leaned Right before, now they are losing that.
Nanna commented:
*baited not bated
Pete_Bondurant commented:
Gingrich got clobbered on Thursday. Twice Gingrich all but said “uncle” while Romney was pummelling him.
Palin wants to elect a debate team captain. I can ust see it now, Gingrich gets the nomination, everybody eagerly looks forward to the two presidential debates because afterall, he is the greates debater known to man, he then lays an egg like as he did on Thursday and the media declare Obama the winner….then what? Go away Palin, please.
Getting elected is just the first hurdle. One has to be able to govern after that. Now, who do you think would be able to govern? A proven executive (Romney) or two guys who spent about combined 50 years in Congress legislating. Common sense will tell you the former.
Pete_Bondurant commented:
Perino handled Palin fairly. Perino did what Newtons hate, she presented facts.
For what it is worth, Perrino also looked a lot better than Palin did.
reliapundit commented:
jim: please comment on this:
http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=211
Does Sarah Palin Want Obama Re-elected?
1/28/2012
We certainly live in bizarre times and everyone knows that politics makes for strange bedfellows. But the fact that as of late I (the guy who spent over two years being probably her strongest defender) have been one of the very few on the right pointing out the absurdity and hypocrisy of recent Sarah Palin’s public statements, shows exactly how close we indeed may be to the apocalypse.
Palin’s latest Facebook salvo is targeting the Republican “establishment cannibals” for using “Alinsky” tactics against Newt Gingrich in the run up to the Florida primary. Her main objection appears to be that those who have questioned Gingrich’s ties to Ronald Reagan have done so inappropriately and are effectively doing the work of the left.
The layers of silliness here are at least at multiple as those of snow in the frozen Alaskan icecap this time of year.
First, it was Newt Gingrich who raised the issue, constantly tying himself to Reagan and his accomplishments in almost every other bombastic breath. He made this topic an issue. No one else did that.
Second, those who have questioned whether the facts really back up the impression created by Newt that he is the last remaining heir to Reagan are hardly part of any Republican “establishment.” What the heck is the “Republican Establishment” anyway? Who are these people? Not even specifying who you are talking about makes you seen like a tin foil wearing conspiracy theorist.
So, because a few people who actually knew Reagan (unlike Palin who had barely graduated college by the end of the Gipper’s second term) have written articles which would have been largely ignored if they had not been linked at the Drudge Report, this is some how evidence the work of a dark, shadowy “establishment”?
And how in the world is Matt Drudge (who has always been incredibly kind to Palin) part of any establishment? Anyone who has followed him closely (I used to fill in for him on his old radio show and have studied his tendencies extensively from multiple perspectives) knows he isn’t even a political person. He is a brilliant business man, but his incredibly soft treatment of Obama during the 2008 primaries proves that he really couldn’t care less who wins elections from an ideological perspective.
And what about Drudge’s pal Ann Coulter who has also led the charge to tell the truth about Newt? Calling her part of the Republican Establishment is more hilarious than saying that about Drudge. She has made her very commercial career on being anything but“establishment.”
Palin goes on to defend Newt from the specific (and largely politically insignificant) allegation that he exaggerates his Reagan ties with an “argument” so thin it makes her 2008 attempt to explain her foreign policy credentials seem substantive by comparison.
She says that because Nancy Reagan once, while being extremely polite to Newt who was in attendance, sort of (not really if you look closely at the statement) proclaimed that “Ronnie” passed the “torch” to “Newt” and the other House Republicans who led the 1994 take over, that this is somehow proof that Newt is impervious to criticism here. Then she says that because Reagan’s step-son Michael and biggest fan, Rush Limbaugh, like Newt and condemn these “attacks,” that they must not be true (By the way, aren’t Rush and Drudge also allies? How does this fit into the anti-Newt conspiracy?).
Even more laughable than this intellectual house of cards is how Palin simultaneously suggests that going after Newt like this is inappropriate, but that “vetting” Mitt Romney and his finances for as long as possible is good for the cause of beating Obama. Her “thinking” here is that because Democrats will surely use the issue of his wealth against him if he is the nominee, we need to make sure he can withstand the onslaught.
This might make some sense if Romney hadn’t already addressed the issue as much as he reasonably can and if Newt Gingrich hadn’t single-handedly legitimized this line of attack for the media/left, practically serving it up to them on an envy-plated silver (certainly not gold) platter.
Now, to be fair, if there is a “Republican Establishment,” the former presidential nominees would certainly qualify and John McCain and Bob Dole have certainly been outspoken about the obvious electoral dangers of nominating the clearly unelectable Gingrich. But since when is actual knowledge about how the process works a disqualifier for your opinions?
And wait a minute; I thought Palin said people who knew Reagan should believed, so why are the far more numerous former colleagues (not to mention wives!) of Newt somehow discredited in their observations about him? Then, of course, there is the most obvious flaw in this entire theory: When did “Mr. Establishment” Newt Gingrich suddenly somehow become the anti-establishment candidate?
Palin simply isn’t being consistent in any of this, but it isn’t because she is stupid (as I have always said, she is most certainly not dumb). I believe her motivation is actually far more troubling than that.
There is no way that someone whose biggest issues in this cycle have been: combating “crony capitalism,” promoting “life,” beating Obama and overturning Obamacare, could possibly really favor the guy who got paid $1.6 million by Freddie Mac to be an “historian,” has zero chance to win the election, and had been in favor of a federal healthcare mandate for twenty years, especially when Mr. Pro-life (with a special needs child, no less) Rick Santorum is still viably in the race. It just makes absolutely no sense.
This brings me to my most important and surely controversial point regarding Palin’s latest attempt to endorse Newt without actually saying the magic words.
Could someone please tell me what her personal incentive is for President Obama to be defeated?
I would suggest that there is absolutely none.
If Romney beats Obama she is immediately irrelevant. Her entire purpose at this point is to throw bombs at a liberal President with whom she is obviously linked through her 2008 VP run. Not only would there be no one left in power for her to be the brunette Ann Coulter against, but her chapter of American history also becomes instantly ancient.
Even worse than that, unless she decides to go completely rogue and humiliate herself by being Romney’s primary opponent in 2016, she would have no, even theoretical, next political act until 2020 at the very earliest. That will not be nearly enough to sustain her career as a commentator/speaker/author at anything near its current levels.
So the only logical explanation for Palin’s bizarre “endorsement” of Gingrich is that she knows that he can’t win and that she is using him to create this false narrative of an evil “establishment” keeping the noble Tea Party down (explain to me again how Newt is remotely “Tea Party”?), like they somehow did in those Palin-induced Senate losses in Delaware and Nevada in 2010.
I don’t know if she really thinks Newt can win the nomination (which would obviously help her in both the short and long runs), but she clearly sees no downside to creating as much damage to Romney as possible. This whole effort is nothing more than a branding/career move for Sarah Palin.
At one point she might have deserved the benefit of the doubt that she may just be “misguided,” but her clearly cynical presidential “tease” last year ended any ambiguity about her true motives now.
That is what makes this whole thing so incredibly ironic. In so vehemently questioning the credibility of the “establishment,” she has revealed that she has a massive conflict of interest herself and should no longer be trusted on the issue of this presidential primary.
retire05 commented:
wanumba, no, I don’t know how many people are sitting, shivering, in 45 to 50 degree homes. Perhaps you can give me the number. How many towns are not sending even one high school graduate to a university? I am sure you have surveyed the over 310 million people in the U.S. to get an accurate number.
Frankly, I find your class warfare mantra a big archaic. Talk about dragging the ’60′s back to life. The only thing that prevents you from becoming one of those “elite establishment” you rail on is you own limitations. Run for office if you are so dissatisfied with the current crop you now have. I assume you meet the eligiblity requirements.
You talk about the reduction of value in a home from $300K to $175K. Where? That has happened only in certain areas, most prominently in Loonafornia. And why? ZONING LAWS enacted by local authorities like county commissioners.
Here is what you want to ignore: no one, and I do mean NO ONE, forced people to purchase homes they could not afford. No one held a gun to their head and told them if they didn’t sign on the dotted line, they would be shot. No one forced them to purchase a home that was overvalued by 50%. But money was easy, and people do not want to be held responsible for thier own actions. You, like them, have to find someone to demonize to absolve you from your own decisions.
I have a home that is 107 years old. Weatherizing it was not all that hard, or that expensive. Attic insulation is cheap. Some of the things we did when we remodeled a home that did not even have a central HVAC system were so basic and so easy that it boggles the mind.
Yes, people are out of work, especially in the trades. But I, unlike you, have faith that we will eventually bounce back. This is not the FIRST time that the nation has suffered an economic crisis. But blaming “The Man” is not the answer. If you can’t find a job; create one. Example: I know a guy who worked oil fields and was laid off. He could not find a job, so he created one. He now takes items from those who want to sell them, and puts them on EBay. He takes pictures of the items and lists them on Ebay. He charges 40% of the selling price as commission. And he is now making more money, sitting in the comfort of his own home, than he made busting his butt in the oil fields. And he lives in a town of less than 5,000.
And if you are one of those who have to ask the government for help, instead of relying on your own ingenuity and resourcefulness, well………………………………..
Mimi commented:
Two Romney supporters ex-Congressman Norm Coleman and Florida Atty Gen Pam Biondi both have said that Romney does not intend to get rid of ALL of ObamaCare. Yet, Republicans (I hope not Conservatives) continue to support Romeny. Just don’t understand it.
Romney will say repeal Obama will say Mine is like yours.
Romney will say quit spending Obama will say you supported spending of wasteful tarp like me.
Romney-Obama 1 in the same
Pete_Bondurant commented:
Hey Mimi, stop lying. Bondi did not say anything of the sort.
Romney is winning and is going to win because thankfully, the majority of voters do their homework, unlike you who simply repeats the lies of of Jim Hoft and other moronic Newtons.
wanumba commented:
#82 January 29, 2012 at 11:22 am
retire05 commented:
wanumba, no, I don’t know how many people are sitting, shivering, in 45 to 50 degree homes. Perhaps you can give me the number. How many towns are not sending even one high school graduate to a university? I am sure you have surveyed the over 310 million people in the U.S. to get an accurate number.
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Well then, lazy bones, you prefer numbers and charts to getting out and talking to people and counting the for sale signs, counting the commercial property vacancies. How nice you can afford weatherizing. Most people can’t, tax credit or no tax credit. All they are getting is hit with higher prices. We’ve been across this country, observing and cataloguing this collapse over the past 7 years, in towns that are being evicerated.
You can’t even understand the point. Out of touch, and so fast to talking down at me, so fast to resort to the insulting of presuming you are better, the toxic fruit of actual “class warfare mantra.”
You have no idea what’s going on.
The entrepreneurial middle class, that made this country the wealth it is known for is being DESTROYED. ON PURPOSE. The communists HATE independent, self-reliant people. The GOP elites are displaying they are useful idiots.
Self-employed carpenters in the USA afford a three bedroom house, three cars, heating cooling, have indoor plumbing and a big flat screen TV. They OWN their house. THAT is OUR middle class.
Self-employed carpenters in the Third World live in a 9×12 room – the entire family and share one faucet and toilet with ten other families. THey RENT from rich landlord oligarchies. THAT is the Third World middle class. WHEnever they try to invest and make something, they are wrecked.
THe United States miracle was to create the wealth in the middle class to get the vast majority of the people out of that SQUALOR.
The Democrats to impose socialism are crushing the standard of living of the entrepreneurial middle class, forcing them down into the hand to mouth, tenant subservient to rich oligarchical landords.
The GOP elites can’t SEE it. Too sheltered and wealthy now. BUt they rose themselves up to call us stupid. Charming.
Greg commented:
“We kicked him out as Speaker for good reasons. Learn them – faster, please.”
Oh really? You have links to the charges for which he was found guilty of that would counter having been found NOT GUILTY by the IRS and the Ethics panel?
Nanna commented:
People keep wanting to go back on Newt..How about Romney, he voted for Jimmy Carter for crying out loud. He put in Romneycare in Mass.
Michael Reagan says these stories that republicans are continually bringing against Newt are Bogus, and is endorsing Newt. Why are conservatives believing Romney??
Jim commented:
Ziegler’s article nails it! Palin is in everthing only for herself. She is a self-centered ego-maniac
& had no desire to be president, yet she teased her supporters for her own financial gain as long as she half-term governor from a state that ranks 49th in population. She was an embarassment in 2008 and remains as much today. Sarah your 15 minutes of fame are over. Go play with the Caribou.
valerie commented:
What this inevitability nonsense is all about is the money guys backing Romney not only want the Presidency, they want to buy it for cheap, and regardless of the quality of their candidate.
myohmy commented:
Why vote Romney? There is no compelling difference between Obama and Romney. They both govern from the left.
valerie commented:
This is your friendly, neighborhood Liberal telling all you Conservatives to take a second look at Newt Gingrich, because if my opinion of him got changed, you have a route to a win in 2012.
When it was a fad to take psychological tests to determine your place in the political spectrum, I tested center, center, center — always. So, I think my experience may be instructive.
When this campaign began, my only recall of Newt was the shutdown, and a surprisingly positive memory of one of his speeches about education. I knew about the ethics charges and resignation, which I tended to discount because even at the time, I recognized them as over-reaching by the Democrats and an act of revenge, not governance. I did not know he had been cleared.
I went back looking for a video and transcript of that education speech because a good friend and politically active friend in California has been telling me that those damn Republicans want to destroy public education in this country. This just isn’t so, and I wanted her to see this speech, to see how close some of Newt’s ideas were to hers.
I used Google. What I found was a morass of deliberately inaccurate commentary about what Newt said, instead of what he actually said. Among the many search terms I used was the name of Rachel Maddow in this connection, because my friend loves Rachel Maddow. It was very easy to see that the source material had been buried under at least two layers of lying commentary: there was an original layer of lying that did NOT link to the source material, and wave after wave of commentary on the commentary, taking it as fact. It took me two days to figure out how to get down to the source videos, before I found these:
Newt Gingrich on Education Reform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I34twrbPiiI&feature=relmfu
Rev. Al Sharpton on Education Reform
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8hKxBYTj8E
Newt Gingrich is a creative thinker, and willing to turn a problem on it’s side and knock it hard to get a solution. He’s willing to build bridges with people where they agree. He is fair-minded, and intensely interested in, and intent on avoiding, perverse results. He wants what is good for all our children. He is knowledgeable about the system, and it’s flaws and strengths.
I was deeply surprised in further research to find out that this man, whose actions I had previously despised, is in fact the man this country thought it was electing when it put Barack Obama in the office of the Presidency of the US, minus the halo.
You actually have a good potential President, there. All you have to do to place him in that position is to cut through the sh!t.
Greg commented:
Romney’s negative ratings soaring among independents! http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romneys-negative-ratings-soaring-among-independents/2012/01/27/gIQAeVB1VQ_blog.html
The Republican Party needs to be placed on Suicide Watch!
wanumba commented:
#87 January 29, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Nanna commented:
People keep wanting to go back on Newt..How about Romney, he voted for Jimmy Carter for crying out loud. He put in Romneycare in Mass.
Michael Reagan says these stories that republicans are continually bringing against Newt are Bogus, and is endorsing Newt. Why are conservatives believing Romney??
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Yes. Over the past thirty years on home leaves, we drove the USA. In the early 80s, everything was moribund, unemployment was high, all sorts of decay. Over the next twenty years, the Midwest and West and SOuth steadily improved. New roads, new houses, new businesses, old businesses ugraded. VISIBLE improvements. The two most egrecious examples of moribund were upstate New York around Niagra Falls – as wretched as it was in the 1960s and Massachusetts. Massachusetts was not decayed the way Niagra was, but frozen in sameness. The pass the bill to the national taxpayers Big Dig was finishing up, but the state was in stand-still stasis compared to the rest of the country. Boston power is uber centralized, at the expense of the rest of the state.
Romney could have energized the place, but his tenure was indistinguishable from the Democrats. While other states gained people, Massachusetts has been losing population as productive people FLEE. He fit right in there – STATUS QUO.
If Romney had done something exciting in MASS, well then okay. He didn’t. Status quo with a highly socialistic state hasn’t done it any good. It’s still sliding, the state economy shrinking, with invasive social engineering increasing. Look at Mass. They were in recession while the rest of the country was booming and were so self-focused they thought everyone else was in their circumstances. High tax, high prices … only the rich can live there comfortably.
Jim commented:
Anybody who Palin endorses or recommends will NOT get my vote. I cannot vote for someone endorsed by a quitter and a tease.
retire05 commented:
wanumba:
“The United States miracle was to create the wealth in the middle class to get the vast majority out of SQUALOR.”
Well, perhaps you can show me in the U.S. Constitution, or even the Federalist Papers, where that mission statement can be found? You can’t, because it is not there. The mission statement was to provide people with the opportunity to get out of squalor by keeping government off their backs. What people chose to do with their abilities is a personal decision. If you want to lay around watching Oprah all day, that is your choice, but don’t ask me to bail you out when you have no grocery money.
“We’ve been across this country, observing and cataloguing this collapse over the last 7 years”
Then provide us with the results of your extensive research. Back up your claims with more than hyperbole.
Self-employed carpenters, well, some of them OWN their homes, some still owe the bank for those homes. Why don’t you present the percentage of homeowners, like me, who own their homes outright, since you have a propensity for rattling off statistics? How many self-employed carpenters do you know that had saved the $300K you claim houses cost prior to the crash of 2008? Surely you have a stat for that as well.
I am sick of people like you who want to blame some phantom entity for their personal problems. And I am sick of people who love to throw out mythical stats for the purpose of nothing more than bloviating.
I could take your entire post, replace “elite/establishment” with “politburo” and it would read much like Rules for Radicals.”
Ausonius commented:
Perhaps Sarah didn’t read Newt’s explanation as to why he did poor in the most recent debate:
Newt stated to reporters he had not fought Mr. Romney harder in the debate because he could not “debate somebody who won’t tell the truth.” (New York Times, Jan 28, 2012: Gingrich Predicts a ‘Wild and Woolly’ Campaign)
Just a quick survey, how many people believe that the majority of what barry will say in any debate (assuming he even agrees to a debate) won’t be lies?
That being said, how can anyone suppose Newt will do any better if, by his own recent statement, he cannot debate those who “won’t tell the truth?”
All he’s got is his speaking ability, and I’ld bet the farm that he will not get the opportunity everyone is expecting.
Which brings up another point: Newt is a very smart fellow. He has to know that barry won’t agree to some Lincoln-Douglas marathon debate. It strikes me as simply pumping the crowds up by being dishonest, knowing full well what you’re proposing will NEVER happen.
Second, he’s the one who, after loosing Iowa, suggested to Perry and Santorum, that they should step down, implying by not doing so they would be aiding Romney. The same article I refer to above quotes Newt as saying he’s taking this all the way to the convention. So I suppose by this statement, he has no intent on considering stepping down irrespective of what happens between now and then. One could fairly ask if he is not aiding Romney with his cause.
Polls show Santorum actually doing better than Newt against barry in a general election (Real Clear Politics, NBC/WSJ).
Greg commented:
Jim commented:
Anybody who Palin endorses or recommends will NOT get my vote. I cannot vote for someone endorsed by a quitter and a tease.
Your clearly jealous that she has accomplished more in her life than you I see. It shows by your repeated multiple posts trying to say the same thing in different ways. Grow up.
retire05 commented:
“Massachusetts has been losing population as productive people flee.”
According to the U.S. Census Bureau:
MA population – 2000 – 6,349,097
Ma population – 2010 – 6,587,536
A ten year increase of 3.75%
But in some people’s minds, that is a net loss.
Molon Labe commented:
#85
Your argument is correct. Retarded is lying as usual.
According to the 2010 Census the US population grew by 9.7%.
Massachusetts growth or lack thereof does not show the same growth as the rest of the nation for the same ten year period. Prosperity is reflected in growth.
Subpar growth means what?
Those who deliberitely do not provide complete context do so to advance their distorted agenda.
But those who provide half truths, are just as bad as those who lie.
Pathetic.
Molon Labe commented:
This is why Newt will destroy Obama. The truth will set you free. Obama doesn’t know what the truth is.
And Palin is the kind of leader we need. No wonder she makes the Marxists head explode. She is everything they can never hope to be.
Ausonius commented:
#86 Greg:
No links but the story is found (among other places I’m sure) at The Washington Post (1-22-97). I’ll try to look up other stories on it later.
Here is the truth. He was reprimmanded by a House of Representatives vote of 395-28 on one ethics charge, which he admitted wrong doing. Here is a statement he made in January of 1997:
“I did not manage the effort intensely enough to thoroughly direct or review information being submitted on my behalf. In my name and over my signature, inaccurate, incomplete, and unreliable statements were given to the committee, but I did no intend to mislead the committee.”
He paid $300,000 (he was allowed to pay that out of campaign funds, I think), which was to reimburse the Ethics Panel for expenses incurred while investigating the information provided to them by Gingrich, which was found to be wrong.
The HOR forwarded the original ethics complaint regarding the tax exempt entity in question to the IRS, which in 1999 found him not to be in violation of the complaint sent to them; it did not reverse the other complaint he was reprimmanded for.
retire05 commented:
Melon Lobe, where did I say that the 3.75% growth was national? Oh, that’s right, I didn’t.
So let’s compare: what was the growth rate of other states? Was it equal, or less, than MA? How about California? What was the growth rate there?
“Prosperity is reflected in growth.”
Well, then, that settles it. The example we should be looking toward is Texas.
Jim W commented:
The Republicans will not elect any candidate without independents. Have you looked at where independents stand on Newt. Forget it. Time to get real.
wanumba commented:
#95 January 29, 2012 at 1:31 pm
retire05 commented:
wanumba:
“The United States miracle was to create the wealth in the middle class to get the vast majority out of SQUALOR.”
Well, perhaps you can show me in the U.S. Constitution, or even the Federalist Papers, where that mission statement can be found?
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THe Constitution provided the level playing field to allow that. Hullo.
Boy howdy you don’t know anything about this stuff do you? Your questions are nonsense. Go weatherize your 104 year old house.
retire05 commented:
wanumba, as witht the bloviators on this blog, you make claims that you can’t back up. That is the sign of someone with a weak argument.
The U.S. Constitution provided for equal opportunity, not equal outcome. Nowhere in the Constitution is there a mention of the “middle class.” It allows for citizens to go as far as their intellect, ability and ambition can take them. But hey, don’t let lack of knowledge of the U.S. Constitution stand in your way of trying to spin. You are not the first to do that, and you will not be the last.
Don’t need to weatherize my 104 year old home. Did it a few years back. Too bad you didn’t. Guess you are behind the curve.
wanumba commented:
#94 January 29, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Jim commented:
Anybody who Palin endorses or recommends will NOT get my vote. I cannot vote for someone endorsed by a quitter and a tease.
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OH! You like them Governor Quitters a little rough around the edges like Quitter Janet Napolitano who endorses Obama.
DO you realise that if Napolitano had NOT QUIT then this week’s Arizona tarmac kerfluffle never would have happened?
Palin left AK in GOP hands, but (D) Napolitano let (R) Brewer move up to Governor. The Dems figured she’d be a place holder until the general election and they’d plop another DEM in there, but uh OH! They NEVER thought Brewer had the political balls to actually SIGN SB1070, which delivered the election to her for governor.
They told themselves all day long that Brewer is stupid person beneath their intellects. Then she had to go sign the thing, which could EXPOSE their FAST and FURIOUS atrocity operated out of Phoenix.
Democrat PANIC. But it’s always Palin, never Napolitano who left the state in the red, nearly bankrupt and in the opposite party’s hands.
retire05 commented:
wanumba, why do you try to compare apples to oranges? You’re not very good at it.
Napolitano left her office to serve on a federal level. Palin just quit, for one, to take the gig at Fox that Greta van Sustern’s husband negotiated the contract for. And now you’re telling us that Jan Brewer is responsible for the exposure of Fast and Furious? Careful, you are rapidly nearing the “liar” catagory.
And perhaps you can explain how Alaska, under Palin’s leadership, became the biggest leech state in the union? Or the fact that she left office, only to hand it over to a former lobbyist? Oh, you didn’t know that Sean Parnell was a high dollar lobbyist before Palin chose him as a running mate?
Sha Senes commented:
The only people supporting Romney are liberal RINOs and Mormon’s
NO one else.
valerie commented:
#101 January 29, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Ausonius commented:
The facts Greg is pointing out, and that you are trying to avoid, can be found here.
What really happened in the Gingrich ethics case
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/what-really-happened-gingrich-ethics-case/336051
Sha Senes commented:
#94 January 29, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Jim commented:
Anybody who Palin endorses or recommends will NOT get my vote. I cannot vote for someone endorsed by a quitter and a tease.
Gee, ever since Palin “quit” she’s been winning
Seems , you don’t know what quit means and certainly don’t know what winning means
myohmy commented:
2012 is not for the Repubs after all. RINOs got a much weaker candidate.
wanumba commented:
#107 January 29, 2012 at 3:23 pm
retire05 commented:
wanumba, why do you try to compare apples to oranges? You’re not very good at it.
Napolitano left her office to serve on a federal level.
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SHe’s soooooo good at it! CHristmas bomber? Feeling up grannies!!
Thanks for making the case! Don’t want anyone to notice that Napolitano is a QUITTER, and she’s scary in her “promotion.” Janet Reno in a new skin.
wanumba commented:
#105 January 29, 2012 at 3:09 pm
retire05 commented:
wanumba, as witht the bloviators on this blog, you make claims that you can’t back up. That is the sign of someone with a weak argument
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But you lie about your crap.
I grew up IN Massachusetts.
wanumba commented:
#108 January 29, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Sha Senes commented:
The only people supporting Romney are liberal RINOs and Mormon’s
NO one else.
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Add to that:
THe recent Democrat engineered recall in AZ of Russell Pearce the promoter of the immigration enforcement law proved that the Dems can EASILY set Mormons against each other, splitting thier vote. They also know how to gin the DEM/INDY/RINO vote to defeat straight up Repubs.
Real eye-opener how easy it was to set Mormons to in-house fighting.
usamopatriot commented:
Hey “Retard05″
Take your Palin and Newt hatred over to huffpo you ignorant jerk wad. You’ve never researched or read Palin’s book or researched the all out attack on Newt when he was speaker. It’s obvious by your ignorant posts that you’re driven by hatred of these people instead of facts, so just crawl back under your rock with your friends the termites.
retire05 commented:
wamumba:
exactly WHAT do I lie about. You’re problem is you’re too damn easy to dispute. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
“I grew up in Massachusetts.”
Well, that explains a lot. You have the same irritating personality as Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Mitt Romney. What the hell do they put in the water up there that creates so many jerks?
retire05 commented:
usamopatriot:
What would you say if I told you that my distaste for Palin and Newt is only exceeded by my absolute disgust for Mitt Romney?
But feel free to add another non-cognitive post.
wanumba commented:
#116 January 29, 2012 at 5:37 pm
retire05 commented:
wamumba:
exactly WHAT do I lie about. You’re problem is you’re too damn easy to dispute. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
“I grew up in Massachusetts.”
Well, that explains a lot. You have the same irritating personality as Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Mitt Romney. What the hell do they put in the water up there that creates so many jerks?
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Have you ever considered that maybe YOU are the jerk and everyone ese is normal?
What kind of dufus waves stats past people who LIVED there? It’s a little harder to misrepresent the situation when you are LOOKING at it in real life than it is to create the false impressions one can promote off charts and graphs.
Are you sure you weatherized your 104 year old house properly? Is that why you are so grumpy and name-calling all the time when you flounder with your crap arguments?
Molon Labe commented:
#102
Retarded
Retarded you parody yourself. Each comment is better than the last. What a joke. You are either so stupid that you’re IQ cannot be measured or the Queen of all liars. Actually I believe that you hold both titles.
Loved your comment. Here’s your Jessie MacBeth Award.
Molon Labe commented:
Wanumba:
Dealing with Retarded #5 is like dealing with an extremely slow, angry, and violent child. Her answers are incoherent, based on her delusions, and if you refrute her you will be subjected to a constant torrent of abuse. Join the club. You ought to read her comment in 102 when she called growth in Massachusetts as prove of economic growth yet national growth average 9.7 vs 3.6. This in her mind is irrelevant and to boot she then claims she didn’t use the US number, as I said she is incoherent.
But this is the harpy that infects this site. I did think it revealing that she was incubated in Massachusetts the hotbed of trolls, Marxists, and loons.
Molon Labe commented:
I also forgot to mention this harpy claims to be a Texan. Yeah, she’s a Texan via Amherst. In Texas such creatures are known as “damn Yankees.”
bg commented:
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God Bless & Thank You Sarah..
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Beautiful Bella Santorum
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usamopatriot commented:
“Retired05″
I take it you’re a paulbot? Or do you just dislike everybody?
Molon Labe commented:
#60 Once again Retarded demonstrates her ignorance. Yes indeed who did win the senate race between Lincoln and Douglas. What an idiot. If you ever read history you’d wouldn’t make such ridiculous statements.
But you have won fame for your building a fence in the middle of a river. What next a skyscaper in a swamp? An airport on the side of a mountain? A beach resort at the North Pole?
Tell us again oh great historian. What an uneducated tool. My guess is that this harpy is a frustrated 3rd grade teacher.
Molon Labe commented:
#125
Retarded #5 doesn’t hate everybody. Just anyone who points out her errors in fact and flaws in her reasoning. Which just about includes everyone who hasn’t imbibed deeply of the Kool Aid.
wanumba commented:
#121 January 29, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Molon Labe commented:
I also forgot to mention this harpy claims to be a Texan. Yeah, she’s a Texan via Amherst. In Texas such creatures are known as “damn Yankees.”
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Ha ha!