Leader of US Bishops Slams Obama Administration: “First Time in History Goverment Has Forced Organizations to Buy Product That Violates Conscience” (Video)

Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan lashed out at the Obama Administration for forcing religious organizations to go out into the marketplace and buy a product that violates their conscience.

“Almost every employer and insurer in the country to provide sterilization and contraceptives, including some abortion-inducing drugs, in their health plans… Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to go out into the marketplace and buy a product that violates their conscience. This shouldn’t happen in a land where free exercise of religion ranks first in the Bill of Rights.”

The president bragged about the law to a St. Louis audience last year.

The new rules are so strict that most Catholic institutions will not qualify for an exemption.

Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan on HHS Conscience Regulation from Rocco Palmo on Vimeo.

Da Mihi Animus reported:

Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan of New York, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), sharply criticized the decision by the Obama administration in which it “ordered almost every employer and insurer in the country to provide sterilization and contraceptives, including some abortion-inducing drugs, in their health plans.” He made the statement in a web video posted at: http://bcove.me/ob5itz9v. . .

“Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to go out into the marketplace and buy a product that violates their conscience. This shouldn’t happen in a land where free exercise of religion ranks first in the Bill of Rights,” Cardinal-designate Dolan said.

On January 20, Kathleen Sebelius, secretary of the Health and Human Services, announced that non-profit employers will have one year to comply with the new rule.

Cardinal-designate Dolan urged Catholics and the public at large to speak out in protest.

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  • Fionnagh

    Speaking out in protest will accomplish absolutely nothing. Voting BHO out of office, will.

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  • Glenmore

    People who say if Viagra is covered, then birth control should be covered, fail to consider that the former treats something that doesn’t work but is supposed to, while the latter takes something that works like it’s supposed to, and makes it not work. Then there’s the third position that says neither should be MANDATED for treatment, period.

  • Disobey the law and force the federal government to be in a position where they are suing a religious establishment. Since it says that Congress shall make no law it will bring into question of whether the Executive branch can in essence legislate by statutory proxy. I do wonder how well this will be received in the mosque.

  • I think Team Obama has pissed off just about everyone now…

  • James

    I know so many catholics who vote democrat. Its sickening. They go to church evry Sunday and then vote for the pro abortionists, pro gay marriage, anti eligious party. All you can do is shake your head.

  • FurryGuy

    I don’t know of anyone that has religious objections to Viagra, but many do have for contraception and abortion. Currently there is a major tussle going in Washington State because pharmacists who object on religious/moral grounds to filling contraceptive prescriptions are being forced by the state to do it regardless.

  • FurryGuy

    #5 January 21, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    MustComment commented:

    I think Team Obama has pissed off just about everyone now…

    He’s still got the environmental whackos and the permanent welfare class, but Barry may have to throw them under the bus to do a quick pandering job to another constituency he wants to suck up to for a moment.

  • Rachelle

    Will the Keynan muzzie ever tell Muslim schools to put ham sandwiches on the lunch menu?

  • bg

    ++

    stop!!

    look!!

    listen!!

    or not, your choice..

    which brings to mind, freedom is not a privilege,
    it’s a choice, use it well while you still have one..

    bit more here, in connecting links & threads..

    ==

  • bg

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    A Covenant For A New America

    [more @ links/connecting links & in threads]

    ==

  • BurmaShave

    I wonder to what extent this will affect the [generally pro-Democratic] Catholic vote.

    Catholic bishops have been urging Catholics to vote Democratic practically since the Council of Trent; I wonder if they will actually change their tune.

  • dba…vagabond trader

    Can we now quit blaming Jooooz for single handedly electing this commie? Votes have consequences, plenty of dummies who call themselves followers of Christ.

  • squeaky

    bend to obama’s will or suffer the consequences. obama will make people choose between their convictions or their livelihood. what better way to break the spirit. when other facilities are available to perform abortions but the push is to make all facilities offer the procedure..
    http://www.lifenews.com/2011/02/18/obama-admin-weakens-protections-for-pro-life-medical-workers/

  • bg

    ++

    Rachelle #9 January 21, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    no, well, not exactly.. /s/

    Accommodation as an Islamist Political Instrument

    [First, we heard about a large group of Somali Muslim airport cabbies in Minneapolis refusing to provide service to travelers carrying alcohol or using dogs. At first, the airport moved to accommodate, but then the Somalis lost the battle to impose coercive interpretations of sharia (Islamic law) upon airport travelers. We recently have also seen airports, schools and universities agreeing to install foot-washing stations for Muslim airport cabbies and students at a significant cost to taxpayers in the name of special accommodations for Muslims. In Lincoln Park, Michigan, a few Muslim women insisted that a co-ed health club to which they signed up provide them a women’s-only room for exercise. Fitness USA acquiesced under fears of litigation despite the fact that the Muslim women signed up for no such guarantee with their enrollment contract.

    In the past few weeks we’ve seen the Islamist political agenda in the U.S. carry itself further bringing the debate to Carver Elementary School in Oak Park, California. A substitute teacher brought forth a complaint to the district’s school board that a 15 minute break in classroom teaching was carved out for Muslim prayers. The influx of over 100 Somali Muslim students from another failed school brought with it swift efforts by Carver administration to accommodate to their needs. The issue has since carried far beyond San Diego and simple personal accommodation. The debate centers on the limits to which accommodation can impose changes and obligations upon others and on the entire system. Some argue that religious freedom is secondary to classroom instruction time and the strict separation of religion and state. Others have contrarily taken the opportunity and suggested, in all fairness, that public schools have a more global “daily prayer time policy”.]

    btw, that was just a sample..

    ==

  • #8 FurryGuy. You got that right. Talk about sucking up – least we forget the latest suck up job – toward Rev. Al Green (“Iiiii am so in love with you”…). He’ll always have his Motown buddies.

  • valerie

    Your friendly, neighborhood, pro-choice Liberal, here:

    I see no reason to use taxpayer money to pay for abortions, either.

    Under our Constitution, a grant of power to intervene in a decision carries with it the power to intervene either way. A grant of power to prevent an abortion also necessarily carries with it a grant of power to coerce an abortion. The Court, in Roe v. Wade, forced such a decision to be made on a case-by-case basis, by the mother and any advisors of her choice. In doing so, it foreclosed the possibility of a wholesale slaughter of the innocents by the government, as has occurred in China.

    Aside from the moral problem of forcing people to pay for an action that violates their conscience, the follow-up problem is worse: the promulgation of rules that would tend to coerce abortion, for example, by denying subsequent care to children where a diagnosis of an expensive birth defect has been made.

    Please remember the nasty things said about Sarah Palin’s decision to continue the pregnancy that led to the birth of Trig.

  • RedBeard

    I just had an argument with someone who was ranting about how there’s nothing wrong with contraception, and therefore this new rule is fine. I tried to say that I agree that contraception is fine, but that it’s wrong to force those morally opposed to it to have to provide it. No matter how many times I tried to get this dope to focus, he continued to rant on about the merits of contraception, completely missing the point.

    Well, I need to give the guy a break. He’s a liberal, so by definition he is incapable of rational thought.

  • Redlite

    You can not be a Christian and pro abortion at the same time .
    The commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is very clear on this. All life is created by God and to force Church to enable abortion is sickening.

  • Phlogiston

    What will it take for our brave bishops to do something other than talk? How about some civil disobedience and simply refuse to obey this unjust law? How about telling Catholics who run businesses that it that they should do likewise? Of course that might endanger your nice comfy positions, wouldn’t it. Gee whiz bishops, you might even have to go to jail for your faith. Imagine that.

  • bg

    ++

    a tad OT.. but trust me, it’s connected..

    Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as “the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr,” Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or “community of the impoverished,” an organization that seeks to “purify” Islam through violence.

    again, just a sample.. *sigh*

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  • Freddy

    Organizations that are bothered by this new HHS law should refuse to comply.

    There is no Federal government exemption from the first ammendment!

  • wanumba

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::
    #13 January 21, 2012 at 1:28 pm
    dba…vagabond trader commented:
    Can we now quit blaming Jooooz for single handedly electing this commie? Votes have consequences, plenty of dummies who call themselves followers of Christ.
    ::::::::::::::::::

    Exactly. As a minority of a minority, Jews cannot be the ONLY reason in an election. For every Jew who doesn’t obey scripture there are 100 more Gentiles who don’t either, they don’t deserve a pass.

    Remember: EVERY church is made up of three groups:
    1) small group of committed Christians
    2) Larger group of nominal CHristians
    3) The rest are happy pagans.

    It’s pretty easy to calculate the happy pagans and a good chunk of the nominals will NOT be voting any “conscience.” Haven’t developed one adequately as yet, and may never. They will greatly outnumber the real deals.

    As far as any government “forcing” any to do anything, THAT is the fundamental FREEDOM we have as individuals: the power to say NO to evil. Satan cannot MAKE anyone do anything. The pressure may be immense and horrific, but the power stays with the individual to choose.

    This is indeed a spiritual challenge: deny Christ to bow to Caesar or chose Christ.
    The Catholic bishops can urge everyone to protest, but are they going to cave in the end?

  • Moonbat_One

    How does the President have the authority to determine what health insurance can or can’t cover at what rates anyway? I’d take this to court if I had standing.

  • susan dorris

    If the Catholic priests are upset, then they need to quit voting for every Democrat that they meet. They need to make a choice-Christ or Marx.

  • susan dorris

    The Catholic priests need to stop voting for every Democrat who they meet. They always have an uproar about abortion, etc. then at the end of the day, they usually will vote for the Democrat. They need to make a choice-Christ or Marx.

  • Stuart

    I said it before on another thread. It is time for civil disobedience on the part of the churches It is time to say NO! I am sick to death of the churches going along to get along. This Marxist administration means to destroy Christianity, and replace it with, so called, liberalism.

  • Libby McLibtard

    His Excellency Timothy M Dolan is a good friend of mine from his days in Milwaukee. I spoke to him last week. HE is a FANTASATIC MAN.
    For all you GATEWAY PEEPS. 2 years ago, I had Bishop Dolan autograph a CARDINALS baseball cap!!!
    How appropriate.
    Btw. Bishop Dolans brother Robert, attends my church here in Wisconsin, and is a former CONSERVATIVE talk show host here in Milwaukee at WISN radio. For those of you who have heard Mark Belling guest host for RUSH, Bob Dolan worked at the same local station.

  • Chris in KY

    Gee, guess those bishops should have listened to the rest of us when they were pushing so hard to get ObamaCare passed. They were promising this wouldn’t happen. We were promising that Obuthead was lying. Hummm. Guess WE were right.

    As others have said, until the democrat party quits pushing abortions, you can’t be a Christian and a democrat.

  • #25 bing……….

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  • xkaydet65

    Absent abortion, contraception, and the gay agenda, the Catholic Church’s views on Social Justice mirror the Dems more closely than the GOP. Now those BUTs are big, but they do not represent insurmountable obstacles to Catholic voters. Birth control is widespread in Catholic homes, abortion much less so, but it falls in the thoughts of many as not imposing Catholic dogma on the society. Things like unions, immigration,anti discrimination actions, aid for the poor are Catholic themes and Democrat themes. However, Catholics recognize and resent clear discrimination. If leaders like Dolan couch this govt action and others as part of a identifiable trend of anti Catholic discrimination and as Obama’s adhering to anti Catholic bigots, there could be a voter blow back on the Dems. But the Church in America will not do so if it feels the GOP would turn its back on the poor and dispossessed. And the leadership is always reluctant to overtly enter the political cinflict. And then there’s the pedophile problem. So I think the odds of Catholics abandoning the dems in large numbers are poor, but I do not see the Left halting its attack on the Church if Obama is reelected. And FWIW I think that likely.

  • bg

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    so.. are the Muslims Mosques Imams
    voices being silenced or what?? /sarc/

    [scroll thread for more, or not, your choice, use it wisely]

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  • Lady Mondegreen

    On this one, I have to part company with the Church and a great many on this blog. If you provide healthcare you provide healthcare and you don’t cram your religious beliefs down anyone’s throats, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Moslem,,,whatever. If your religion forbids it, don’t use it, but don’t deny it to others.

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  • darcy

    Wanumba @23
    I agree completely with your statements.

    And to Stuart @28
    The church has long ago thrown out the Bible, picking and choosing which parts are “relevant” and generally teaching social justice in its seminaries — with notable exceptions, though they are few.
    So it’s little wonder that the churches have been in partnership with the progressives to undermine Biblical Christianity, and with it our Founding liberties, based as they are on traditional morality and English common law, the pillars of Western civilization — at least here in America. These were thrown under the bus in the drive for the liberal, unattainable, utopian, heaven on earth in the here and now. All these recent outrages by the current administration are merely the fallout from a church that has abandoned her God, and with him, any corrective influence they might have had on a society determined to seek its “happiness” in the things of this world.

    Until the church changes course, there is little if any hope for the West, let alone the U.S.

  • Patty

    Bloomberg give Muslims more right with ground Zero. Justice Department give illegals more rights then Citizens in America.

    Where were the Bishops when Obama care was passed. Planned parenthood and receiving tax payers money for abortions.

    What do these Bishops think when the Tea Party was fighting for our rights and lowering the debt. Obama care is mandated and every American will have to buy insurance. Beside that the Supreme Court must rule on the integrity of Obama care and is it constitutional.

    Now, this is no surprise that Kathleen Sebelius is going to create these measures before the Supreme Court’s decision. Some of these rules will not be part of the Court’s decision unless, Churches take greater action and start to bombard this administration with signatures and calls because if this is mandated and it slips through there may be nothing anyone can do.

    Attorney would be wise and fight this thing to the bitter end. Give Washington a Big Headache but then they may have to sign off on the aspirin.

  • Gus

    Mondregreen, if you weren’t such a retarded buffoon, you might be nearly normal.

  • Gus

    I believe that Muzztard Insurance companies MUST PROVIDE PIGS HEART VALVES to all MUZZTARD heart surgery patients.

  • Robert

    To the Church:

    Ye hast sown thusly, and now shall ye reap.

  • WillofLa

    I’m sick and tired of everyone being afraid of the homosexual lobby! What the hell is wrong with people? Is it just like the fear of the Occupier’s? Is it that we have adopted the politically correct agenda of liberals that say people have the right to protest? Of course, everyone has the right to protest but you violate your right to protest if doing so interfers with, or violates the rights of others to persue the running of their business, or the operation of a church according to our Constitution. It says no law will be made that takes the right to practice your religious beliefs and practices, which to the Catholic church is obstension from sex unless it’s for the intent of conception. Issuing birth control pills, abortion pills, and other kinds of conception prevention is against Catholic church rules of the faith. In other words it violates the practices of the Catholic faith which makes it a violation of their Constitutional rights.

    And if the church doesn’t want to hire a homosexual because it believes that being a homosexual goes against Christian beliefs cannot be forced upon the church by special interest groups because doing so violates the Christian churches practices of their faith, which is a protected right. That means that a homosexual cannot apply for a job at a church that the homosexual knows is doesn’t believe in the practice of homosexuality. If that person does apply for a job at a church knowing that they will not be allowed to apply once the church finds out that the person is a homosexual, and gets fired or rejected, the homosexual cannot sue the church for discremination because there is no discremination when being rejected was a known factor due to the sexual oreintation of the homosexual.

    In other words the government cannot order any church to accept a homosexual’s application or employment if found out, or order the church to accept that they have to provide to their employees insurance a drug that violates the churches stand on contraseption and that violates the churches Constitutional right to hold to those precepts as the practice of that church. If the government does violate the churches right to practice what it believes by law, then the government can be sued by the church for violating it’s Constitutional rights. What Obama is counting on is the church being to afraid to take on the government in court. And if the church is forced to hire homosexuals and refuses it cannot be sued by the government for protecting it’s Constitutional rights. And if it does the church can counter sue the government for violation of it’s Constitutional rights to practice it’s faith in total.

    So the bottom line is the government cannot violate the rights of the church, and the church has the right to protect it’s practices of it’s faith. In other words the government needs to keep it’s damn nose out of the practices of every church other than Muslim Mosque’s because we all know what they are and that is places where violance and attack on this nation is fomented and taught to it’s members. All Mosques need to be shut down and it’s Imman’s need to be deported. The very exitence of Islamic mosques in America are counter to our Constitutional law and the freedoms of the people of this nation it enumerates. Islam is counter to what this nation stands for, and therefore anything that has to pertain to the practices of Islamic beliefs should be disallowed in this country.

  • squeaky

    “..don’t use it, but don’t deny it to others.” current employees who accepted employment knowing this service wasn’t covered?

  • Duke C

    We need a Catholic leader like Bishop Fulton Scheen (Rip) who spoke out against moral depravity. His tapes on the catholic channel are still played today. Instead of the wishy-washy liberal priests of today, we need a fire and dammnation spokesman who can dish it out to the secular vermin that infects our media and government today. Amen.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Call me a cynic, but it seems to me the only reason Cardinal Dolan is saying this is because of the abortion/birth-control aspect. If those two items weren’t part of Obamacare, would he be saying the same things about the government forcing people to buy something against their will? Color me doubtful.

    And I say this being Catholic myself (not a good one, to be sure).

  • Ipso Facto

    Socialism is effectively a religion unto itself and it acknowledges no other religions.

  • Rose

    NO PUBLIC SERVANT IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS SUCH AUTHORITY.

    Alexander Hamilton: No legislative act contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy (agent) is greater than his principal; that the servant is above the master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people; that men, acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid. It is not to be supposed that the Constitution could intend to enable the representatives of the people to substitute their will to that of their constituents. A Constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by judges as fundamental law. If there should happen to be a irreconcilable variance between the two, the Constitution is to be preferred to the statute.

    Frederick Douglass: Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress.

    IT IS NOT THE CONSTITUTION THAT ALLOWS OBAMA THIS TYRANNY – IT IS THE UNWARRANTED AND UNJUST TOLERANCE OF THE CITIZENS WHO EMPOWER HIM.

  • WillofLa

    Our forefathers did not expect for there to be Islamic takeover of this nation when they gave rights and protections according to the Constitution. The references to faith did not ever mean anything other than Christian faith. It was not explained later on that, “Oh, yeah, we do mean every kind of religion in the world when we gave religious freedom to the people of this nation.” No, sorry, they did not mean any other religion other than Christian religions, which were present in Great Britain, just not allowed to be anything equal to the Church of England, which was Prodestant. That is the problem with Great Britain and Ireland where Great Britain is saying that the church that is to hold power over that affairs of the people should be under the Church of England or the Prodestant faith. The Irish say, no because we’re not Prodestant, we’re Catholic and have been for hundreds of years. The Irish are saying that Great Britain is violating the rights to pursue their own faith and not have to be controled by what faith Great Britain says should be Ireland’s religion.

    See, Great Britain does not have a Constitution like ours. For a long time I thought they had the same rights as we have , but that is not true in any way. They do not have the same rights as we do, nor did they adopt our kind of rights for the people after we became a independent nation. The people in Great Britain never did stand up and say they wanted the kind of rights we had. The people have to do what the government tells them they have to do. We aren’t supposed to have to do that. The government of Great Britain is more Socialist than anything else. Not exactly, but close enough to seem like it is.

    Obama wants to make this country like a pure Socialist nation, not even like Great Britain where the people have some rights but not even that much. We have already lost even the rights the British people have, well, almost. The British people don’t have the right to protect themselves with a gun, we do. But other than that we are about on par with how few rights the British people have. They have limited speech like we do. They have limited freedom of movement like us. They are forced to have to pay high taxes that they seem to not have any control over, like us. And they are being forced to accept liberalism’s contention that everyone has the right to dump their unborn down the toilet if they want, like we are now. See?

  • Sasja

    No government should be involved in health care (which has never been a big problem) nor in what coverage insurance companies want to provide. A true free market system takes care of those issues. Far too many people, including Lady Moonbat, not only think a large, bloated, intrusive, federal bureaucracy is okay, but it is perfectly fine for that entity to strip away the rights its people.

  • Rose

    #45 January 21, 2012 at 2:52 pm
    Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    That IS aggravating – but nevertheless, the Good Lord saw to it that SOMETHING stepped on his toes enough for him to say it – and he is RIGHT. Even though he said nothing until it was HIS OWN TOES that were getting stepped on.

    At least it was said. and it is still very right.

  • Rose

    #49 January 21, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    Sasja
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Here is the proof of it:

    Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

    AND NEWT KNOWS IT TOO:

    http://spectator.org/archives/2011/11/28/newts-health-problems

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12/oh-good-grief-newt-praised-romneycare-in-2006-newsletter/

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/98507/newt-gingrich-health-care-comparative-effectiveness-rationing#.Tuir_lS9Gdw.twitter

    http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blogs/in-1996-newt-gingrich-turned-his-back-on-guns-and-voted-for-the?xg_source=activity
    In 1996, Newt Gingrich turned his back on guns and voted for the anti-gun Brady Campaign’s
    “This is the same man who railed against the Obama bailouts of Fannie and Freddie Mac while receiving more than $1.5 million from Fannie Mae as a “consultant”(4) while his firm also raised $37 million to pass healthcare insurance mandates.(5)”

  • the government essentially telling people what their religious beliefs can be. could this be a prelude the government supporting convert or die? don’t give me the business that is so far fetched. three and a half years ago nobody here would have said the government would force people to violate their religious belief.

    notice every democratic party catholic office holder sits with their mouth shut towing the party line in contradiction of their supposed religious beliefs. i guess they are liberals first and catholics first.

  • catholics second

  • Lady Mondegreen

    Gus, if you weren’t such a pathetic and loathsome little man, it might me worth arguing with you. Goodbye

  • I have no sympathy what-so-ever for the US bishops in this…………..They helped lobby for Obamacare……………and now the Alinskyite has double-cross them………he used the church and he doesn’t need the church any more………..54% of catholics voted for Obama knowing his record on partial birth abortion……………..if abortions didnot keep them for not voting for Obama ……….contraceptives surely want……………..just saying

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  • truth teller

    He bows down to Muslims and then pushes his agenda on Christians.

    REVOLT!

  • Rose

    #28 January 21, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    Stuart
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The Tax Exemption is the hook in their mouth, as long as they hang onto the hook, the Marxists have THEM – EN TOTO.

    I believe in the Tax Exemption, it is the next best thing to the GOVT paying a tithe to the CREATOR – NOT to a CHURCH – but to HIM, HIMSELF.

    HOWEVER, I don’t believe in Marxism or allowing MARXISTS to occupy ANY seat of Govt bureaucracy.

    AND THIS IS ONE REASON WHY!

    Samuel Adams: How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!

  • Rose

    Frederick Douglass: Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress.

    The Constitution is not enabling Obama.

    ONLY the TOLERANCE of USA “SUBJECTS” who are graciously submitting to him have empowered him.

  • Tjexcite

    Hmmmm….

    George S asks the GOP about banning contraceptives….
    Obama makes them free for all.

    Yeah no coronation on that one.

  • wanumba

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::
    #35 January 21, 2012 at 2:18 pm
    Lady Mondegreen commented:
    On this one, I have to part company with the Church and a great many on this blog. If you provide healthcare you provide healthcare and you don’t cram your religious beliefs down anyone’s throats, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Moslem,,,whatever. If your religion forbids it, don’t use it, but don’t deny it to others.
    ::::::::::::::::

    Whatever? Sweetheart, since when has “contraception drugs” been “healthcare?” Or “abortion services reimbursement”?

    ANd who’s “denying” anyone ANYTHING when lazy, greedy, freebie-saturated RICH AMericans can just frikkin’ PAY for it themselves out of their own pockets? Everyone I’ve seen in this country seems to have enough disposable income to TATOO themselves up the keister, eat to chunk-a-lunk and maintain MANICURES at LEAST once a week so they look good sitting around watching their 200 channel flat screen TVs.

    It’s all about FREE in the richest country on the planet. LOOKS like wanting all these hedonistic services without the “burden” of babies to “cramp” the self-indulgence.

    DO I sound pissed? I am even more pissed than I conveyed just now. If our frontier women were THIS LAZY and SELF CENTERED, America wouldn’t even EXIT.
    They were AWESOME, and with far far far less and more mor more more more GENUINE hardship, they looked at children as BLESSINGS and WEALTH, and raised them with a sense of DUTY and DESTINY.

    How shocked would those women be to see the sullen, entitlement slugs the Left culture has produced lazing away on what the pioneer women built, harpies who “need” “contraceptives” as “health care” and if they don’t get it “free” paid for by others, they are “denied.”

    We’re in BIG trouble. No country can be sustained by grubby gimme gimme hedonists.

  • wanumba

    arrgh arrgh … yes I mean “exist” but if we don’t get serious about what’s valuable in life – REAL life, then we are indeed headed for the EXIT.

    It should be TERRIFYING to people.

  • Fionnagh

    #35 I, for one, would not deny anyone access to birth control methods. However, as a taxpayer working full-time for the past forty years, I thoroughly resent MY taxes paying for someone else’s birth control choices. The Federal mandate indicates that birth control is to be FREE. Who do you think is going to pay for this latest freebie?

    Further, to quote you, “If you provide healthcare you provide healthcare …” stroll on over to AT today and read a sobering article on healthcare denied to those seventy and older. It is FACT that under Obamacare, “comfort” will be provided to those seventy and older, as opposed to providing actual life-extending treatment.

    Since I’m pushing sixty, I guess that means I can count my lifespan in ten years or less, if Obamacare is not overturned, and/or unless I have absolutely no ailments in the next ten years.

  • Fionnagh

    #62 Will add to your comments, for laughs – true story: my BOSS has monthly appointments to have her eyebrows plucked!!!

  • Rose

    The Democrat Catholics and Christians will get over this, they have chosen Marxism over the Bible and thrown the Bible out on its ear. They’ll throw their personal values over, too.

    There is no other way for them to spread oppression over others – the only attraction of Marxism at all, anyway.

  • Stephana

    Just ignore the law. The Obozo administration ignores plenty of laws. What are they going to do?

  • kato

    Too bad the bishops have so little authority, politcal or moral. Even as churches shut down by the hundreds, even as the critical shortage of priests becomes ever worse, even as the majority of Catholics in the U.S. disregard the Church’s teachings, the bishops still act like their utterances carry some weight.

    And thank God for that. Too many Catholic bishops have been defenders of the welfare state. And too many have seemed incapable of distinguishing between the needy and the parasitical.

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  • wanumba

    Fionnagh

    !!!! Gah!!! Heh.

    But really, isn’t it about lying around and having someone dote, totally focused on you for a half-hour, hour, even if it means paying for the doting?

  • Rose

    #62 January 21, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    wanumba

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    LOL! Reminds me of what God Himself said about those “dainty” women who would not let their delicate slippered feet touch the ground, but what they would do to take care of themselves first if times got rough.

    You said it in modern terms, brilliantly.

  • wanumba

    #68 January 21, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    kato commented:
    Too bad the bishops have so little authority, politcal or moral.
    ::::::::::::::::::::::

    Apply the same groupings I mentioned above to bishops and priests and it makes sense:
    1) small number of Christ-committed priests/bishops
    2) larger number of nominal priests/bishops
    3) the rest are happy pagan priests/bishops

    Part of the nominals and the overwhlemign majority of the pagans will undermine everything the small number of CHrist-committed do.

    But, it’s true that a good, Godly priest or bishop is a total delight, great inspiration and treasure, yes?

  • YourMaster

    vote 0bama out in the next election and this will be receded. *l*
    ….if they are that outraged they better vote his ass out.

  • The Catholic Church can refuse the dictates of Caliph Hussein. Find some courage and just say no. Since when do purported followers of Gd feel the need to accede to everything atheists demand?

  • AnnoyingAgnostic

    I think you can be Christian and still think it is okay for a woman to choose abortion.

    You simply have to believe in eternal life for everyone, not just for a clan.

    The soul of the fetus will simply find another home.

    Many of you eat aborted chickens, right? They’re called eggs.

  • What I love about Dolan is that he’s not afraid to speak up for what’s right.

    I linked you on this.

    http://thelasttradition.blogspot.com/2012/01/feisty-timothy-cardinal-dolan-unloads.html

  • wanumba

    74 January 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm
    S. Wolf commented:
    The Catholic Church can refuse the dictates of Caliph Hussein. Find some courage and just say no. Since when do purported followers of Gd feel the need to accede to everything atheists demand?
    ::::::::::::::::::

    It means willing to give up the investment … lose the job … lose everything worldly … this is indeed spiritual testing. Initially, of course, the ballot box is the correct response, but Obama and the Democrats are not going easily, so they could well hold on, then the hammer really falls.

    Understandably, people are afraid of starving. But the Church’s No. 1 job is to preach the Gospel of everlasting life, forgiveness of sins, so the price of obeying God is eternal life, all wounds healed, all infirmities corrected, restoration to the perfection we were meant to have, truly a better life than we have here on Earth, not a forgotten end.

    Capitulation to evil only produces a horrible existence of self-loathing ending in self-destruction.

  • WillofLa

    We see to many examples around the world that indicate that Socialism does not work. Everytime it is tried, it fails to live up to what all it promises. It always tears down those nations economies because it convinces the people that it takes alot of money to make the country like liberalism says it should be. Until the people realize that what the Socialists are saying are lies, it’s usually to late. To late that is to save the economy from collapsing. The countries we see collapsing in Europe now, have suffered under a Socialist style government, or outright Communist government for the past 60 or 70+ years. The people lost all their rights to oppose any force that took over the government and those who were in control of the government had the military and police forces under their control and were not afraid of using those forces to put down any opposition to the government. This is what the Socialist Democrats, and I call them that on purpose because that’s what they’ve become after 50+ years of real Socialist and Communist taking over the Party. Now, we have one of their puppets in the White House who is openly stepping on our Constitution and claiming that it has no meaning to him as far as what he is determined to do to “transform” this nation into the kind of nation that he, not really he but those who are backing him and are telling him what to do and how to get away with it because they know that in order to avoid a Constitutional crisis, or riots from Blacks and that is what scares White people the most and that is causing what we saw back in the 60’s with Blacks rioting all over the country, and no one wants to bring that back again. Mostly Blacks were unarmed back then, but there are huge arms that Blacks would bring to opposing anyone who would try to bring down Obama. And the reason why is, he is their man, he is the answer to their dreams that Martin Luther talked about, and that is a time when Blacks had everything that was rightfully theirs (Blacks). They believe this is their time and they aren’t about to let that go, and especially to a bunch of White men, conservative Republican’s who are just trying to rein in this out of control government, and they would use guns to stop any effort to get Obama out of office.

    We’re in a serious dilemma that will cause extreme distress in any attempt to bring this nation back from the brink of destruction of what we once knew that this nation was conceived to be. Those of us who are over 55 know what America used to be like when we were a heck of a lot more free than we are now. And on top of that Obama and his ilk know that we watched who and what was taking this nation down the road to ruin. That is one part of the ObamaCare that would do the most damage and that would be to kill us all off who hold the history of this nation in our memories, and could teach those younger than us what they would need to look for as to how to bring this nation back to the America it was created to be.

    That is what the Socialist have been doing for the past 45+ years and that is to produce dumb generations of American’s who have no idea of what this nation is supposed to be other than what they are being taught it’s supposed to be according to the Socialist Communist agenda and the Communist Manifesto being Obama’s guide.

    All you have to do is read it and you will see everything that liberals have done over the past 50+ years and it all lines up perfectly. None of it is according to the Constitution. Just read the Constitution along side the Communist Manifesto and you will see very clearly what liberals have been up to. And Obama is the final nail in the coffin.

  • mpw280

    When will American Catholics quite supporting the socialist aspects of the Dem party while whining about their pro abortion stance? If the Catholic priests and bishops hadn’t been such ardent supporters of the dems over the last 50 years the dems wouldn’t have such a strangle hold on the American Catholic church. You can’t separate the pro abortion aspect of the dems from the socialist aspects and the church has to realize this and stop it’s support of the dem party.
    The fact that abortion kills more hispanic and black babies than anything else is the most glaring racist aspect of the dem party yet it gets completely covered up in the right to choose argument.

  • wanumba

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    #75 January 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    AnnoyingAgnostic commented:
    I think you can be Christian and still think it is okay for a woman to choose abortion.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    No you can’t. You were you the moment that first cell divided up that DNA, what came from your father and mother was then something NEW and ORIGINAL and ALIVE.
    SO what if you didn’t LOOK like much. EVerything YOU are TODAY was SET at that moment.
    You still weren’t complete at age 11 or age 15 or 17, your full adult potential for the whole world to be able to SEE wasn’t until at least 20. T
    There is NO more basis to claim a 3 months fetus isn’t really developed, when an 8 year-old hardly gives a hint of the adult he or she will become as of 21.

    Humans are very complex. We need time to grow it up and out. It is one generation’s duty to the next to provide it the PROTECTION it needs to grow up.

    Our current culture is FAILING PATHETICALLY at this universal duty. Coackroaches are doing a better job at protecting their young than too many modern Americans. How embarrassing is THAT? I

  • AnnoyingAgnostic

    I see you haven’t yet grasped the central concept I presented.

    Your SOUL is you. Where did your soul come from? Where does it go when your body fails?

    Another example: If your soul is in a female body in this life, what is to keep it from a male body for the next life?

  • wanumba

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    #75 January 21, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    AnnoyingAgnostic commented:
    Many of you eat aborted chickens, right? They’re called eggs.
    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    You need to change your nic to IgnorantAgnostic.

    Eggs are NOT “aborted chickens.” The fertilized egg is designed to develop OUTSIDE the hen. Further, our commercial eggs are unfertilized. There is NO “fetus” evah. If not eaten, they will just rot. Chickens will lay those eggs regardless, a curious design, that allows lots of extras for … people … to eat … guilt-free.

    You schooling denied you this information. You should be mad at school that you weren’t told facts that are useful to know in life.

  • Snicker

    Well you got the annoying part right at least.

  • WillofLa

    This latest effort on Obama’s part is nothing more than his laughing at the Constitution. And if you really want to see him laughing at the Constitution read his acceptance speech when he signed the “National Defence Authorization Act” and you will see at every turn he keeps saying that he is going to interpret that particular part of the law, in the way he sees fit in order to make his action more like what he believes should be done, and not what that part of the law says he is to do.

    When Obama uses the office of the Presidency’s Presidential Directive’s or the offices Executive Order’s, he is stepping over what our Constitution says the powers of the Office of the President has, and Obama’s idea of what he thinks he needs to do as what he thinks are the powers of the Office of the President in bypassing Congressional screwtiny, and or actual procedure the President is supposed to follow in order to get things done. Obama doesn’t believe he needs to obey any body of power that the Constitution establishes for the President is supposed to follow, like the Congress. He believes that since it’s a Republican controlled Congress now, he doesn’t have to do what he is supposed to have to do. Obviously that is not true, but he doesn’t care. If he believes that the churches should be paying for abortion pills, or birth control pills by way of increases in that coverage in the churches insurance policies, and coinsiding increase in premiums to the insurance company the church is using. Even a company carries it’s own insurance, and calls it “self insured”. Most churches are like that because it’s cheaper to carry your own insurance. But also to it’s not so much anything about how much a churches insurance costs initially. It has everything to do with a churches belief in what, one: what the Bible says a body of Christian’s are to be, and two: what the rules and precepts of a church have been established when the church was formed, or as it developed over the years of the churches existance.

    The Catholic church is like that. It not only follows the laws of God’s Word, the Holy Bible, but the Catholic church follows it’s own rules and laws that all the members follow themselves to be a Catholic. But there is also something that protects the right to do all those things and that is our nations Constitution. The Constitution clearly states that the government does not have the right to force by law the church to do anything that particular church establishes as one of it’s rules or laws. It’s just a given that everyone knows you can’t do that. You can’t just force the church to do something it’s against all kinds of laws and rules that are against that church from doing. Obama either is stepping on God’s Word, which I wouldn’t doubt, and that he is also stepping on the Constitution as well. Or he is ignorant and doesn’t know he’s not supposed to do what he is ordering all churches to do. I doubt that Obama doesn’t know he’s not supposed to do what he’s doing. He knows he’s stepping all over the churches, and our nations Constitution.

    HE MUST BE STOPPED NO MATTER HOW IT IS DONE!!

  • wanumba

    #81 January 21, 2012 at 4:24 pm
    AnnoyingAgnostic commented:
    I see you haven’t yet grasped the central concept I presented.

    Your SOUL is you. Where did your soul come from? Where does it go when your body fails?

    Another example: If your soul is in a female body in this life, what is to keep it from a male body for the next life?

    :::::::::::::::::::

    “I tell you, my friends do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after killing the body has the power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
    I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before all men will be disowned before the angels of God. ANd anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
    Luke 12:4-10

  • AnnoyingAgnostic

    Per chow.com; “All eggs sold in the United States as food must be refrigerated, a process that halts any growth inside the shell. Also, the interior of any egg intended to be sold as food must be inspected—accomplished by shining a bright light through the shell (called candling)—which highlights any irregularities, such as a developing chick. These regulations hold true whether the eggs are intended for a large chain like Safeway or for the farmers’ market. Eggs with irregularities never make it to retail and are destroyed.

    So, it looks like aborted chicks are just thrown away. My apologies for not knowing this. I will do an extra 100 situps tonight.

    May I presume that we still don’t care about those fertilized chicks’ souls that are thrown away because they will go to another home? Or do you only have sympathies for certain varieties of humans?

  • sfadasdfsd

    CRUSADE and burn alive the heathen from the WH.

  • ahem

    1. Make no mistake: the only outcome of acquiescing to this law is the complete destruction of the Christian church in all its forms.

    2. If you are a Christian, and agree with its position, consider signing the Manhattan Declaration. It is an ecumenical declaration of civil disobedience in the event the government attempts to legislate Christianity out of existence. When it came out in 2009, some Christians derided it as being far too alarmist. Looks pretty prescient right now, doesn’t it?

    “Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family. We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God’s.”

    3.The Left is manifestly trying to destroy the church (Marxism is a competing religion). If this keeps up, we’ll be worshipping at private homes in 10 years.

    4. If you are mystified about why some Catholics vote with Marx, I suggest you watch this video by RealCatholicTV’s Michael Voris. An hour and a quarter, but so worth it. The scales will fall from your eyes.

  • wanumba

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    #86 January 21, 2012 at 4:44 pm
    AnnoyingAgnostic commented:
    Per chow.com; “All eggs sold in the United States as food must be refrigerated, a process that halts any growth inside the shell. Also, the interior of any egg intended to be sold as food must be inspected—accomplished by shining a bright light through the shell (called candling)—which highlights any irregularities, such as a developing chick. These regulations hold true whether the eggs are intended for a large chain like Safeway or for the farmers’ market. Eggs with irregularities never make it to retail and are destroyed.”

    So, it looks like aborted chicks are just thrown away. My apologies for not knowing this. I will do an extra 100 situps tonight.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    My bad it should be caps IGNORANTagnostic.

    NO rooster… no fertilization. The hen is going to lay eggs no matter what. Unfertilized eggs don’t “grow” .. they eventual spoil, doing nothing.. because there is no chick fetus, and never will be.

    The hapless writer of that information piece obviously thought the casual reader knew SOMETHING, but you have proven what you bring knowledge-wise about eggs, chickens, the birds and the bees, was totally overestimated.

    Forget the sissy situps. Push ups – 500.

  • wanumba

    #87 January 21, 2012 at 4:49 pm
    sfadasdfsd commented:
    CRUSADE and burn alive the heathen from the WH.

    :::::::::::::::::::

    FAKE. That’s not what the Crusades were all about, so it’s a propaganda smear to dump that here.

  • wanumba

    #71 January 21, 2012 at 3:47 pm
    Rose commented:
    #62 January 21, 2012 at 3:33 pm
    wanumba
    :::::::::::::::::

    Our female forerunnering pioneers would be absolutely appalled.

  • 88#bing…………

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  • Lady Mondegreen

    #44, Fulton Sheen was an inspiring speaker, a good man and an excellent spokesman for the Catholic point of view… but if he wasn’t queer, I’d be very surprised…God forgive me, but it’s the truth. Take another look at his old TV shows.

  • Bloodless Coup

    CBS News Reports

    Georgia Judge Orders Obama To Attend Ballot Access Hearing –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dpUwroYiqNg

  • Molon Labe

    #35

    Dragon Lady:

    Talk about Erwin Corey reasoning! Wow what do you shoot up that makes you think this way!

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  • Kathleen

    It is time for the Church to excommunicate Sebelius, Pelosie, Gov. Quinn, Biden and any other political leader who professes to be Catholic and supports this law. It is time to for the Pope to step in and make then an example.

  • Molon Labe

    Anyone who obeys the dictates of the WH is a true believer, but not in Christ.

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  • Larkin

    And how many Catholics voted for o in ’08, because of their lib-minded “shepherds”.

  • kay

    @6James commented:

    I know so many catholics who vote democrat. Its sickening. They go to church evry Sunday and then vote for the pro abortionists, pro gay marriage, anti eligious party. All you can do is shake your head.

    I’m a Catholic James and I know your conundrum. I sat in church the other Sunday and listened to the Homily – where the priest takes the readings of the week and melds it into what it means for today’s world. I was SHOCKED at the interventionist tone I was hearing. Interventionist in a democratic type of way. Admittedly Jesus overturned the money changers outside the temple but to take that example and make the case that bankers are bad an equivalent statement or help the least of thy brothers? Am I supposed to give them my house? According to the priest up there that Sunday it sure seemed I wasn’t doing enough. I refused to support the Bishop Catholic Charities drive because of the issues you raise. They use the money for liberal projects. I am more likely now to give the lady on the corner $10 for food than the Catholic church. Sad isn’t it?

  • Lady Mondegreen

    #96, don’t get your knickers in a twist. I am as good a Catholic as anybody here (my bishop, with whom I have lunch regularly seems to think I am, anyway), but I believe in a level playing field and separation of church and state. The church (or synagogue or mosque or temple) can teach whatever it likes but, as an employer, it should be subject to the same secular laws as anyone else.

  • Marie

    I am sorry but I have no sympathy for the Catholic church in this matter. I saw priests in my hometown openly advocating for Obama in 2008 knowing full well his stance on abortion. How dare they complain now. They knew what he was, why so surprised now?

  • wanumba #77

    re Understandably, people are afraid of starving.. Capitulation to evil only produces a horrible existence of self-loathing ending in self-destruction

    True. And capitulation in the small things leads to capitulation in large.

    ‘Hitler wth Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin, 1935

    On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany” and added with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.”

    (Source: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)’

    Nazi photos

    ‘When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion. By 1935 Germany with 65 million people was the place where over 500,000 abortions were being performed each year. Although Hitler and his government encourged Aryan women to produce a lot of children, he left the matter of abortion and all its facets in the hands of a decidely pro- abortion medical establishment. Even in the midst of Nazi propaganda aimed at increasing the Aryan population, scores of Aryan women still chose to abort their unborn children. The medical publication Deutsches Aerzleblatt reported the abortions in Germany each year reached a half-million.

    Further, a Nazi decree of October 19, 1941 established abortion on demand as the official policy of Poland. Hitler, however, expressed dissatisfaction with this policy. Abortion, he believed, should NOT be limited to Poland. He therefore ordered that abortion be expanded to all populations under the control of the “Ministry of the Occupied Territories of the East.”

    On July 22, 1942, the Fuhrer exhibited a highly positive attitude towards abortion as an indispensable method of dealing with the non-German populations in countries under Nazi control. “In view of the large families of the native populations,” he asserted, “it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible.” Hitler also personally announced that he “would personally shoot” any “such idiot” who “tried to put into practice such an order (forbidding abortion) in the occupied Eastern territories.’

    Hitler and Abortion

  • sigh

    Catholic Church support of illegal immigration is why my 10% tithe does not go to my parish.

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  • wanumba

    #103 January 21, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    Lady Mondegreen commented:
    #96, don’t get your knickers in a twist. I am as good a Catholic as anybody here (my bishop, with whom I have lunch regularly seems to think I am, anyway),

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    If you claim “Good Catholic” before you claim “Christian” then “Catholic,” then you put Jesus Christ second.

    I know a number of Christians who are Catholics. They love Christ. Jesus is the one who looks into your heart, not your bishop. Jesus also said there is no one who is good, all have fallen short. So, being a “good Catholic” isn’t going to save anyone on the day of judgment. Being a “good Baptist” don’t count either or “good Methodist.” There are Baptists who say they are “CHristian” and they attend Baptist churches, they put Christ first above any denomination.
    Being a “Good Pharisee” didn’t save any of them, and history has judged them harshly, the models of spiritual failure ever since.

    Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform miracles? Then I will tell them plainly,’I never knew you. Away from me you evildoers!”

  • irishsmile

    As a pro-life Catholic, I am appalled that the Bidens, Kennedys, Pelosi’s and Sebillious’ crowd continue to run around waving their purported Catholicism like a flag. The USCCB issued a ‘guide’ document for Catholics to read prior to voting entitled, “Faithful Citizenship’. The Catholics that I know who have read it have been very confused by it. That document is analagous to the proverbial question of ‘How Many Angels Can Dance on the Head of a Pin’. Chruch teaching is very clear! Anyone who openly scandalizes the church and encourages abortion incurs Latae Sentencaie excommunication.
    Catholics deserve two things from their bishops regarding this matter:
    1.

  • Kathleen

    Totally agree with IrishSmile!!!!