Is Mitt Romney Worse Than McCain?
Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, January 16, 2012, 3:12 PM
We are on a path to nominate someone who campaigned against Reagan, campaigned against the Contract with America, campaigned against those who are pro-Life, campaigned against 2d Amendment rights, campaigned against conservatism, and designed and enacted the precursor to Obamacare from which he will not back away.
Frightening.
Hat Tip Philip
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bg commented:
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Is Mitt Romney Worse Than McCain?
no..
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Blacque Jacques Shellacque commented:
As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t matter.
They BOTH suck, big time.
Marsh626 commented:
I like how everyone ignores that he had to campaign in MASSACHUSETTS…
Obviously, you can’t be too openly conservative in that state if you want to win.
Romney IS a conservative.
Granny commented:
#3 January 16, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Marsh626 commented:
I like how everyone ignores that he had to campaign in MASSACHUSETTS…
Obviously, you can’t be too openly conservative in that state if you want to win.
Romney IS a conservative.
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No, that doesn’t make him a “conservative.” That makes him an unprincipled liar who will do and say anything to get elected. Haven’t we already got one of those in the Whitehouse?
DANEgerus commented:
Romney couldn’t even beat McCain.
Roy Rogers commented:
The REAL question is:
Is Romney worse than Obama?
No Man commented:
Considering the so-called real conservatives attack Mitt by doing their best Harry Reid and Barracks Obama imitations . . .
So long as Mitt campaigns on repealing Obamacare, cutting spending, etc. all that is history.
bigL commented:
Looks like we will HAVE to create Republicans for Obama to stop the Romneyulan express…This is a disaster and he is being pushed like M’cain in the states with open Primary. Once again we are having the Gop candidate chosen for us.
Is there No conservative to visit Scott of Fla and Walker of WI to convince them to run. We only need 4 yrs and then we can all work like heck to help them get re-elctred as GOVs of their respective states, if that is what they want at that time. We need some conservative heavy-weights.
We have to have a choice. Or we might as well pick the devil we know and support Obama. We can work on theSeate and try for some Senators with guts there. We only need 8 to block and 17 to overturn a veto.Since Obama is going to EO everything the 17 only matters for impeach vote.
RedBeard commented:
After watching McCain wreck his own election campaign via his disconnects with reality and his complete lack of any core beliefs, I can’t quite believe Romney is worse.
Romney is to Obama like cold coffee is to sewage. Which would you prefer to drink?
Defeat Obama. Period. Full stop. No ifs, no maybes, no on-the-other-hand.
exceller commented:
candidates always act more conservative during the primary season than what they actually are. Well this is primary season and Romney doesn’t look very conservative to me. to me he looks like an empty suit who is trying to fulfill his longtime dream of holding high office. what a giant mistake Republicans are making.
RedBeard commented:
BigL, please say you are joking. Please.
Roy Rogers commented:
RedBeard commented:
Defeat Obama. Period.
AMEN!!!
Steven commented:
I’m actually pretty confident that he’ll be ok. And he will beat Obama. Honestly, that’s all I care about. I’m happy to put a toaster oven in office. And the others SIMPLY CANNOT WIN! If Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Allen West, Paul Ryan, etc… were running, I’d immediately vote for one of them. But Gingrich AIN’T IT. Santorum has already been blacklisted by the left. It is what it is. Now, keep Romney in check and focus on the prize, people!
Scott M commented:
As has been stated before, unfortunately, we’re in a place where we simply don’t have any grand statesmen to pass the baton to or, in this case, wretch it furiously from the current runner’s hand. What we have is what Buckley would have us do. Elect the best conservative we currently have. The first word of that sentiment is key. Elect, as in, electable. Unfortunately we have a field of weak horses. Sure, they have their strengths; I can’t think of anyone I would rather have on the debate stage against Obama than Gingrich, I really like Paul’s views on auditing the Fed, and I do believe Romney has good business acumen. Unfortunately, these various traits do not exist within a single candidate.
We need to concentrate on electing the best candidate that can win. Anything less is resigning ourselves to the second term of the most inept administration in my lifetime. It’s not an election FOR someone and the current candidates know that. It’s an election AGAINST the incumbent.
Get that right in your head or suffer another four years.
Susan K commented:
At least I believe Romney loves this country. I’m sure obummer doesn’t. We have to get rid of this socialist/commie occupying the White House before he and his regime finishes destroying the country I love.
Edward Cropper commented:
There has only been one national candidate in my lifetime who basically stuck to what he believed.
No craw-fishing, no compromising, no pussy-footing and wiggling. That was Barry Goldwater.
Nixon compromised, Reagan compromised, Dole compromised, McCain compromised, both Bush’s compromised and so has the Republican leadership in congress.
So now Romney is a pariah because he played politics in Ultra -Liberal Massachusetts.
Grow-up people. The main concern any of us should have is getting rid of the Socialist Phony helping destroy what most sane Americans love as a country.
Opus#6@AmericanPerspective commented:
I hope we get a non-Romney candidate.
But either way, NObama 2012!
AuntieMadder commented:
#6 January 16, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Roy Rogers commented:
The REAL question is:
Is Romney worse than Obama?
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Put another way, will Romney be better for America than Obama?
Will he? If you answer “Yes,” then please tell me how/why he will be. Otherwise, I don’t give a damn which of the two win the election.
Gaining a victory for the Republican party for the sake of the RNC winning and nothing more isn’t my concern. To hell with both parties. I want the country to win next time around.
Susan K commented:
I have been voting for over 40 years now. This is the most important presidential race I can remember. I pray every night (especially after watching the news and seeing what our current president has done to hurt our country) that God delivers us from this evil. If we have four more years of this idiot and his posse, we, as a country, will not survive. It is that important. I’d hold my nose and vote for Paul if I had to. We have got to get rid of obummer.
reliapundit commented:
bill jacobson has an irrational and twisted attitude toward mitt.
he wrote:
‘We are on a path to nominate someone who campaigned against Reagan,”
er um… so did ghw bush and dubya bush.
if romney was better than mccain in 2007 and in 2008 – years after romneycare was passed….
… if rush and levin and coulter could endorse him then, then they can now.
and coulter has. ditto ayotte and haley and thune and issa and bolton – all of who have better conservative creds then the once once pro-perry once pro-cain once pro-newt now pro-santorum jacobson.
if jacobson is so smart, then why didn’t he see cain’s 999 plan as the joke it was!?!?
it was such a bad stupid ill-thought-out plan that in 10 days cain had to modify it to a 099 plan.
if cain was smart, then he’d have vetted the plan and seen the problems with it before announcing it.
if jacobson was smart, then he would have seen it.
i saw it at once it was a stupid plan and posted on it. jacobson never did.
but smart bill jacobson says we shouldn’t vote for romney.
i think bill jacobson is a dolt when it comes to politics and should stick to posting jpegs of bumper stickers.
gary gulrud commented:
Worse than McCain. Obviously, yes.
McCain has a twisted sense of right and wrong. Romney is just amoral, naked ambition.
Mark Adams commented:
Mitt is McCain. We already went thru this in 08, did we not get it back THEN?
Big Al commented:
What the hell is this crap? Who is Philipp??
I’ve got news for you Romney haters. All the big guns on talk radio, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Levin, Gallagher and Hannity HATE Romney and have been working to undermine him for months, yet he seems to be gaining momentum. Why? He has great organizing and executive skills and is simply winning on the ground. We need someone who can do this against the Marxist machine. Forget about your ideological purity tests. Romney has made very firm commitments on many conservative planks such as Obamacare and the budget.
I don’t like McCain either but forget about him, he is a distraction.
Roy Rogers commented:
AuntieMadder commented:
Put another way, will Romney be better for America than Obama?
Will he? If you answer “Yes,” then please tell me how/why he will be. Otherwise, I don’t give a damn which of the two win the election.
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If you have to ask…
Want some hope to go with that change?
Roy Rogers commented:
Big Al commented:
We need someone who can do this against the Marxist machine.
AMEN BROTHER!!!
conservativeczar commented:
i will vote ffor a bag of stale crackers before obummer the marxist.
donh commented:
Romney is WORSE than McCain who was capable of winning his home state. Romney will not win Mass. He may not even win NH…Losing every state north east of Indiana. He fulfills EVERY stereotype the Demcrats have been making about Republicans for a generation. Bernie Madoff will have higher favorability come election time as Romney is Ben Affleck in Boiler Room..> http://youtu.be/6VoXMvNrQro
J commented:
I like to think of him as a more modest, humble if you will, teddy kennedy.
S. Wolf commented:
It doesn’t matter. The necessity is to get the House and Senate solidly conservative, whoever the GOP nominee is we have to vote for. The presidency has assumed too much power anyway and the GOP and TEA party need to take that power back.
reliapundit #20
Only leftists call President Bush ‘dubya’.
charlie commented:
Is Mitt Romney Worse Than McCain?
NO WAY
Jim commented:
@Mark Adams, “Mitt is McCain. We already went thru this in 08, did we not get it back THEN?”
And Mitt is Meg Whitman, and Bob Dole, and Carly Fiorina, and every establishment Republican douche. This is all on the establishment GOP. It’s amazing to consider that the establishment GOP is killing all the passion and excitement created by the Tea Party. The same Tea Party who saved the Republican party after 2008 in the elections of 2010. Despite the economy sucking, the world going to hell, and everything else, the establishment Republicans could lose this one.
gosh! commented:
Flip a coin here…….anyone but Obama…………just sayin
Greenstew commented:
yes. We don’t know all the records of Obama because he refuses to release his. So now we have the same arrogance of Romney not showing his records. So where is the difference. This tells me if Romney is president it will be his power grab just like Obama’s power grab.
formwiz commented:
How many years was it Reagan switched from being a Demo (and a New Dealer) before he ran for Governor – 2, 5?
A lot of these “Conservatives” commenting here are Lefties and Libertarians spreading the usual FUD; others really are Conservatives so self-centered they would rather see Barry win if their guy (or girl) isn’t the nominee because they have to have their way.
I agree with Perry more than anyone else, but I could have lived with Herman, Newt (at least until this past week), or even Bachmann. The important thing is getting rid of Barry.
I will have my doubts and be saying marathon Hail Marys as I pull the lever for Romney, but I’ll do it.
A lot of people need to keep on their eyes on the prize.
PodPundit commented:
All you Tea Party Conservatives who believe in limited Constitutional government, private property rights, personal responsibility, individualism, and the rest of our founding principles, hear me now. All those rallies, town hall meetings, organizing, the 2010 elections. That was all an illusion. As Harry Reid has said, “EXTREMISM”
You must embrace the RINOmessiah that is the Willard. He is the half-truth, the half-light, and the half-way. He is the ONE and only that can defeat the Obama by becoming a lite version of the Obama.
The Willard is our only hope. No, he will not reduce the size and scope of government and restore lawful Constitutional governance. What do principles, beliefs, and the truth matter when the Willard has the magnificent locks of hair. That should be all you peasants require. Now let go of your worries, your troubles, and release your burdens. Join with the Willard, as he is the electable and the inevitable.
J. Knight commented:
I don’t care who or what is running against Obama. The Marxist now occupying the White House must…must be voted out. If not, we can kiss everything we know and love goodbye. Is Romney my favorite…no, that would be Marco Rubio and Allen West on a ticket, but that’s not going to happen. So I am preparing myself to take time off work, to spend weekends and weeknights working my butt off to get the commie out. Whatever it takes!
retire05 commented:
I really want someone to tell me how Mitt Romney is any different on the issues that concern conservative voters than Obama is:
same-sex marriage; check. Romney, in spite of a MaSC decision handing that back to the Ma legislature, decided to use a little known law in Massachusetts that allowed him to designate clerks to issue marriage licenses. And so he did, including over 180 licenses to same-sex couples. Romney/Obama
abortion; check. Romney care carries a provision that allows Romney care to pay for an abortion with a simple $50/co-pay. Romney/Obama
taxes; check. Romney raised taxes in Massachusetts but played wordsmith games by calling them “fees.” Romney/Obama
public debt; check. As we watch how Obama has increased the public debt, so too, did Massachusetts residents watch as Romney raised the debt in his state.
budget increases; check. Romney increased the state budget from $23,011,620.00 in January, 2003 to $31,649,416.00 in January, 2007 for a 37.5% increase in spending in just four years. Romney/Obama
unemployment; check. Romney decreased his state’s unemployment by a mere 1% in boom years with a labor force that grew by a mere 16,742. Romney/Obama
We are being force fed a candidate that doesn’t even have his military service to fall back on as a campaign talking point. Romney worse than McCain? To quote a very famous lady “You betcha.”
Libby McLibtard commented:
In case some of you dimwits have forgotten. Reagan was once a Democrat.
Romney is not a Communist.
Obama is.
End of story.
gosh! commented:
#36 bing…………
retire05 commented:
Obama is not a communist. He is a socialist.
Learn the difference.
James commented:
And Ronald Reagan was once a democrat. Nice try. I am voting Romney who I think will end up governing the most conservative of all the current nominees.
Manny commented:
FAR WORSE than McCain.
See MassResistance, The Romney Report: http://massresistance.org/romney/
Also SaveCalifornia’s pro-family report card on the Republican Pres. candidates: http://savecalifornia.com/presidential-election-2012.html
Libby McLibtard commented:
Retire05. Get a grip. 85% of the house and senate in MA were Dems while Romney was in office.
What the hell is wrong with you people??
Mark Adams commented:
@Jim “And Mitt is Meg Whitman, and Bob Dole, and Carly Fiorina,” Lets not forget Lisa Murkowski, too.
retire05 commented:
#41, James, based on what part of his tenure as the Governor of Massachusetts? Or do you not realize that actions (in the form of a record) speaks louder than words?
Libby McLibtard commented:
Retarded05.
Do you know the difference between moron and idiot??
You do?
Which one are you??
song of the south commented:
#34 & #36-that’s the main object.Focus on getting obama and his administration out of the WH.
Reaganite Republican commented:
All I know is Newt Gingrich is a far, far superior candidate
jmho
retire05 commented:
#43, Libby, that lame excuse has been worn out for a long time.
Romney was the fourth in a sucession of Republican governors in Massachusetts. He ended that streak.
And to say that he could not govern as a conservative because he had a strong Democratic house only proves one of two things: a) he was governing as a liberal because down deep that is what he is or b) he was inept at promoting the conservative agenda.
So which was it?
cal rifkin commented:
Do I think Romney will cut spending? Yes, more than likely. /// Do I think Romney will be strongly pro-life? Not really, but pro-life enough. /// How about judges? I think that the right will be on his a$$ about that, and it’ll maybe turn out ok. /// Defense? – OK /// How about Obie care? I don’t see how he can weasel out of getting rid of it. /// Will he have a bunch of Marxists and commie bast@rds hanging around? Unlikely //// Overall, he’s no Mike Pence, but I think he’ll be better than Obamao by a factor of 10,000!!
retire05 commented:
#46, Libby, please take your school yard perjoratives to HuffingtonPost. They are welcomed there. Remember, when you have to resort to insults (name calling) you have already lost the debate.
You have lost the debate.
arf commented:
I go by the dictum attributed to William F. Buckley.
Vote for the most conservative candidate who is electable.
Easy for me to say, as I’m not running, but I was disappointed that the candidates along the lines of Paul Ryan, Mitch Daniels, Tim Pawlenty, dropped out so early, or didn’t even run in the first place.
Seems to me, the early polls for Palin, Cain, Bachman, then Santorum and Gingrich, were all driven by media attention and a small number of ardent fans. The mass of voters were never interested. Not to mention the “wait in line” tendency of the party these days. A decent showing this year puts you ahead in 2016 or 2020.
Greg commented:
All the more reason to identify and elect conservative representatives and senators
SOB commented:
Romney’s 4 years in office:
- Romneycare (after 30+ years of Dems trying to pass it)
- Cap & Tax (Romney bragged: “Massachusetts is the first and only state to set CO2 limits on power plants.”)
- single highhandedly allowed Gay Marriage (while Dems complained they should ignore the completely unconstitutional court hearing Romney cites as the reaason)
- gave Planned Parenthood 5 Billion to build abortion clinics
- gave free abortions through Romneycare (with merely a $50 co-pay)
- forced Catholic hospitals to give out birth control
- Planned Parenthood placed on Oversight Committee
- one of tougher gun laws in country made permanent and vague
- 3/4 of judge appointments Democrat or agenda-driven Independents (Romney bragged: “(I have) not paid a moment’s notice to nominee’s political leanings.”)
- ensuring sanctuary cities get state aid
- Raised taxes from 9.3% to 9.9% overall over his time
- Doubled corporate tax rate
- 100s of new “sin” taxes, consumption taxes and carbon taxes (including increasing gas tax, internet sales tax, tax/fee on hunting licenses bump, etc)
- so much regulation, state only saw 1.4% growth while the Country as a whole witnessed 5.4% over the same time
- MA was 47th in gob creation over his 4 years
- State budget up 37.5%, from $23,011,620,000.00 to $31,649,416,000.00, leaving a Debt per Capita of over $15,000
Mitt Romney – sure he Governed Left of Obama on almost every issue you can find, but he’s also the “real Conservative” in the race… (Well, per our dear Establishment leaders anyway)
jan commented:
why is it the republican party only wants far right conservatives? is there not room for moderates? I don’t feel very welcome in this party, it’s either all the way right or nothing. I think I’ll change to indepenent.
Nobama2012 commented:
Willard might be worse but he will be much better than the current A-hole that inhabits the WH. We need Change.
Rhoda R commented:
I support Perry so long as he is running but will support anyone running against Obama. For many reasons but one hasn’t been addressed: I’m tired of being a racist because I disagree with the President’s policies.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Write-in: West/Palin.
What would the establishment do if the write-in WON?
I think they would give America a middle finger, and say “Nope. Screw you. We and all the lawyers and judges we own are putting a stop to this uppity behavior. You do it our way.”
The government, both parties, would put the kibosh on it, even if it were a landslide. Somehow, they would, no holds barred.
SOB commented:
#43 January 16, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Libby McLibtard commented:
Retire05. Get a grip. 85% of the house and senate in MA were Dems while Romney was in office.
What the hell is wrong with you people??
So what you’re saying is, that if he is elected and the people give him a Pelosi/Reid controlled House and Senate, it is just an obvious expectation that he will once again Govern Left of Obama?
Yeah, uhm, fantastic thinking there…
Taqiyyotomist commented:
We’re going to get Who They Tell Us We’re Going To Get.
Plain and simple.
jhp commented:
“Is Mitt Romney Worse Than McCain?”
Mitt Romney will lose worse than McCain. And then comes 5 more years of whining that if only the GOP would have moved further to the right they’d have won.
jimg commented:
The difference between McCain and Romney?
At least Romney didn’t spend the last 10 years kicking conservatives in the teeth, sucking up to the New York Times and then have the audacity to come begging for votes as if nothing happened.
As bad as Romney is, McCain is worse.
Texas_Treeroach commented:
Is Mitt Romney Worse Than McCain?
ANSWER:
Does it really matter?
Sasja commented:
jan, because moderates are wishy-washy individuals with no core beliefs, are too easily swayed, and will not make a decision until they see what the majority thinks. There are no great moderates in history for a reason.
Mama Grizzly commented:
Huntsman gave a really great departure speech. Link on Drudge Report via Politico.
Did we misjudge him?
Big Al commented:
On paper Gingrich is indeed formidable but he is simply arrogant and worse than that he comes across as arrogant. His intangibles would destroy him. I am sure you remember one of the greatest traits of the gipper was his very disarming personality. Gingrich is “arming” to say the least.
JMHO
Pragmatic commented:
Yes . . .at least McCain served in the military (which is the ONLY good I can say about him).
a former dem commented:
I’m not pro-Romney as very much I’m anti-marxist_Barry.
Barry has to be defeated in november. And solid fiscal conservatives in Congress.
ABO ABO ABO ABO ABO ABO
Not sure who this professor is, but if he hates Romney so much, go work for Obama’s relection.
There are 2 choices, for Barry, against Barry.
NorthernX commented:
Gosh, Republicans.
What would you do if you didn’t have the Liberals to choose your candidate for you (again), huh?
a former dem commented:
Mccain seemed to be essentially campaigning for Barry Soetero in 2008. I remember rallies where people were pleading with him to go harder, and then Mccain says “you have nothing to worry about with a Soetero administration”
Romney doesn’t seem like he’s going to roll over as easily as Mccain. And oh yea, that race card, its not going to work, no matter how much the LSM tries to flash it.
reliapundit commented:
OK. LET’S DO IT JACOBSON’S WAY:
AND THEN IN 2013 WE CAN SWEAR IN PRESIDENT NEWT OR RICK AND HAVE SENATORS ANGLE AND O’DONNELL HOLD THE BIBLE.
#1AMERICAN commented:
Anybody but the POS Hussein mooslum ….time to send the Kenyan fraud packing back where he came from …. we can deal with the repub nominee after the POS is gone
Sandy commented:
Settles it for me Mitt’s my man. A bit of jealousy by the lesser lights is standard operating procedure.
Eric S commented:
Look, I’ve been bitterly against Romney, and the way you put it, I can’t see him being nominated either. So I hope of all hopes for something else.
But this seems inevitable. Somehow we have made our bed, and we better start seeing the silver lining. And maybe a lot what you say: “blueprint of Obamacare, campaigned against Reagan” is to some or a large extent opposition amplified hyperbole. What solace can we take when Romney seems unstoppable? Ok, this skeptic (vs AGW scam) blog takes an uncomplicated, postive, silver lining view of the R nomination:
“I can’t see any outcome other than Romney. Gingrich is fatally flawed…The press has already destroyed all the best candidates.
The good news is that Romney is articulate, and unlike the dithering old guy that ran in 2008 – he should be able to take Obama apart in a debate. “
LL commented:
Romney is not worse than Obama.
Dale commented:
Newt Gingrich is a frumpy old man and how did that work out for McCain against slick, smooth, hip Obama?????? Newt has personal moral baggage, cheating on 2 of his wives, his millions he made from Fannie and Freddie (he’s part of the housing crisis problem if you ask me). Go away Newt!!!!
Sandy commented:
#50 January 16, 2012 at 4:34 pm
cal rifkin commented:
Do I think Romney will cut spending? Yes, more than likely. /// Do I think Romney will be strongly pro-life? Not really, but pro-life enough. /// How about judges? I think that the right will be on his a$$ about that, and it’ll maybe turn out ok. /// Defense? – OK /// How about Obie care? I don’t see how he can weasel out of getting rid of it. /// Will he have a bunch of Marxists and commie bast@rds hanging around? Unlikely //// Overall, he’s no Mike Pence, but I think he’ll be better than Obamao by a factor of 10,000!!
Not much I can add to that except — its good common sense.
lakewriter commented:
I do not support Romney. However – I have not been able to find sources for anything Legal I. contends. What are his sources for those claims?????
Granny commented:
#78 January 16, 2012 at 5:06 pm
lakewriter commented:
I do not support Romney. However – I have not been able to find sources for anything Legal I. contends. What are his sources for those claims?????
__________
Jacobsen of Legal I is a professor of Law at Cornell University in Rhode Island. I do not know whether he lives in RI, which is quite small, or across the border in Massachusetts but either way he couldn’t help but be aware of Mitt Romney’s political history in Massachusetts. Romney absolutely did what LI claims regarding Obamacare.
Alana commented:
Here’s my biggest reason for voting for whoever the Republicans put up, whether it’s Romney or a ham sammich: Supreme Court Justices.
JRidge commented:
The fact is that when the GOP nominates moderate/RINO’s for President they lose. Ford, Bush 41, Dole and McCain. Heck, I even held my nose for 3 of those 4 and they lost anyway. Conservatives didn’t come out to vote for them and they won’t for Mitt Romney. Nominate him at your peril.
Granny commented:
RE # 78 – Here is a link to a statement given by Romney re abortion in 2002. There are other clips linked in the sidebar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4
zooomzooom commented:
#25 January 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Roy Rogers commented:
Big Al commented:
We need someone who can do this against the Marxist machine.
AMEN BROTHER!!!
AND…………………………..
it appears that both the house AND the senate will be owned and operated by (R)’s.
That at least gives us SOMETHING to build on, and momentum for the further right.
I still say,,,,,,,,,with the one lone exception of Ron Paul………ANY of them are preferable to the current Occupant of the White houSe. The one that wun needs to be evicted, post haste.
retire05 commented:
If Romney governed in Massachusetts like Obama governs the U.S., where’s the difference?
Do you think that someone who hangs an (R) behind his name cannot be a liberal? Au contraire. I suggest those who support Romney know he is a boiler plate liberal and either don’t care or support his liberalism.
Terry Gain commented:
#37 January 16, 2012 at 4:23 pm
retire05 commented:
I really want someone to tell me how Mitt Romney is any different on the issues that concern conservative voters than Obama is:
If you need us to educate you as to the difference between the capitalist and the socialist, then you are not educable.
SOB commented:
#62 Jimg commented:
At least Romney didn’t spend the last 10 years kicking conservatives in the teeth, sucking up to the New York Times and then have the audacity to come begging for votes as if nothing happened.
As bad as Romney is, McCain is worse.
At least McCain has voted for, and in turn helped pass, some Conservative Bills. Romney cant even say that.
The real difference is this though – I voted for McCain because at least he was clearly Right of Obama. I honestly can not say Romney is Right of Obama though – there is nothing in his actual record which indicates that is the case other then empty words quoted when trying to get elected (plus, there are just as many anti-Conservative statements when trying to get elected in the past as well)
I wont vote for Romney; I refuse to vote for someone who is Right in only words but Left of Obama in his actions. I don’t want someone who will appoint Liberal Activist Judges because of “diversity” (look it up, that was his word), hire environmental activists to his administration (like he did in MA) and ignore the constitution to single handed enact an extreme Liberal Agenda (like he did in the case of Gay Marriage in MA, ignoring the state constitution)
If the Establishment thinks they know better and wants to push an Anti-Conservative in a new shinny “true Conservative” costume, then they better be able to find a way to get their empty-suit elected without my (and many other) Conservative votes. They are apparently soooooo much smarter then us, and since it was solely our fault we lost 2008 (the whole Palin thing, ya know) its obvious they don’t want my support anyway.
So we will just go with the Establishment plan:
Conservatives stay home on election day. Independents and Liberals will instead choose our President for us between two extreme Leftist track records.
And its a brilliant plan, really…
JRidge commented:
#80 January 16, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Alana commented:
Here’s my biggest reason for voting for whoever the Republicans put up, whether it’s Romney or a ham sammich: Supreme Court Justices.
___________
Republican Presidents have a history of blowing Supreme Court nominees. Reagan nominated O’Connor, Bush 41 nominated Souter, Ford nominated Stevens, Bush tried to put Miers on the bench. I can see Romney doing something similar.
Alana commented:
Jan @55 – I don’t believe you for a minute.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Which candidate is going to clean our public education system of communists and America-haters and Islamophiles, from K through PhD.?
That’s right, NONE.
Which candidate is going to do the same with our hundreds of government agencies?
None.
Which candidate is going to do the same with our nation’s jurisprudence systems?
None.
Conservatives: looking for a Messiah.
We already have one….
…Tim Tebow has been trying to point us to Him.
No conservative, no matter how much so, is going to put a dent in the infestation that has intentionally destroyed our nation. Not possible. Look elsewhere for salvation, because America is terminal.
retire05 commented:
#85, Terry Gain, free market capitalism is not the ONLY conservative tenent. There are others; pro-life, traditional marriage, lower taxes, less governmental regulations, the list goes on.
Now, if you can actually exhibit, via his gubernatorial record, how Romney is less of a liberal than Obama, demonstrate it. Otherwise, you are slamming me for pointing out that there is not a nickel’s worth of difference in the governing style of both men.
Joanne commented:
No wonder the left is pushing for Romney. Too bad Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain dropped out.
SOB commented:
#87 January 16, 2012 at 5:18 pm
JRidge commented:
Republican Presidents have a history of blowing Supreme Court nominees. Reagan nominated O’Connor, Bush 41 nominated Souter, Ford nominated Stevens, Bush tried to put Miers on the bench. I can see Romney doing something similar.
Many of those were because of the pushing of long-time Establishment hack, John Sununu
….yep, you guessed it; the same Sununu who works for Romney now…
Mormon Conservative commented:
You know, at this point, Romney is going to be the nominee. I just hope and pray he is who is says he is “now.” I am nervous about Romney.
The below link from my local conservative blog talks about some interesting things on Mormons, if you’re interested in that sort of thing.
http://www.westernfreepress.com/2012/01/16/why-the-“mormon-moment”-concerns-me/
Rose commented:
Mitt is not even in the same ball park with McCain. McCain is on par with Odrama Queen. But Mitt is way far over the line of Electability.
I used to have about 12 files FULL of stuff on McCain and that computer crashed, and much of that material has been scraped off the internet, now.
One thing where it is easy for those who studied McCain well to know the difference is the clear revengeful anger that overwhelmed McCain’s entire being – how MUCH damage he would have done once he felt “untouchable” after a Presidential Election win – just for revenge at the GOP repeated rejections of him – such as rulings that in SC in 2000, that McCain slandered Bush, but Bush was exonerated of all the charges that McCain made against Bush, by the results of a technical investigation. His desire for vengeance is a very hot thing in him which he doesn’t often THESE DAYS allow others to see.
Mitt isn’t capable of doing THAT kind of damage to America, in spite of what Bain shows he is capable of.
Doesn’t make Mitt Romney fit for office, but it is much more rare to find someone who truly belongs in the category with McCain.
Trouble is, the GOP isn’t really looking for someone who is capable of bringing America BACK from Destruction. They are still willing to settle for an image, and forward movement in the DIM MARXIST MOVEMENT even under their own flag. They would rather be arranging the deck chairs and telling the band which music to play next.
~That is more fun.~
vb commented:
Granny,
I think Cornell is in Ithaca, NY.
SOB,
Robert Bork is also advising Romney.
LibertyAtStake commented:
Personally, I think Mittens is more malleable – meaning more likely to have his feet held to the fire by conservative activists. McCain has more of a stubborn streak. That’s probably what got him through the NVA prison experience – God bless him for that. So, the answer is Mittens “not worse” as a nominee.
Still hope for Newt or Santorum, though.
d(^_^)b
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
“Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”
MikeSopes commented:
Romney may or may not be worse than McCain, but does it really matter? Rick Perry is ten times better than either one.
Granny commented:
#95 January 16, 2012 at 6:15 pm
vb commented:
Granny,
I think Cornell is in Ithaca, NY.
SOB,
Robert Bork is also advising Romney.
__________
You’re right. My apologies . . . his About Me that gives his curriculum vitae speaks almost entirely of Harvard and Rhode Island.
S. Wolf commented:
retire05 #40
And there’s a difference?
‘”We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)’
That sounds like Communism.A Communist is a Socialist is a Nazi..
Patty commented:
I hope that we all will coalescence around our nominee. The debates tonight should be interesting.
I do believe that the candidates can bring up another candidates past but in a more diplomatic way.
Clear explanation,the truth is the most important factor in my opinion. And it can hurt for these gentlemen to act like gentlemen.
I am tired of the bickering, I want their answers and a real plan to our nation’s problems. Time to attack will be when our candidate is finally voted in and Obama is their opponent.
Alana commented:
“Republican Presidents have a history of blowing Supreme Court nominees. Reagan nominated O’Connor, Bush 41 nominated Souter, Ford nominated Stevens, Bush tried to put Miers on the bench. I can see Romney doing something similar.”
JRidge, play the odds.
What are the chances that a Republican president will nominate a lunatic leftist?
What are the chances Obama will?
I rest my case.
Lady Mondegreen commented:
The question is not whether Romney is worse than McCain, but whether he is worse than Obama. I think he is. At least we know where the One stands. Romney is a stealth candidate who, as president, will work against conservatives in the house and senate. As soon as he has the nomination, he will start tacking left and when he’s elected, we’ll all feel like suckers.
Patty commented:
I can’t even imagine what Obama has in store but one thing for sure, the fighting between the Republican candidate doesn’t look great.
I feel that after Huntsman left and endorsed Romney it seemed Hypocritical. And let’s say when our candidate is finally chosen and it is Romney, the others will come out and endorse him?
After all the attacks, doubtful they could embarrass themselves like that. Especially, after all these attack ads.
Alana commented:
Let me put it this way. I have no particular hopes in Romney, and do expect he will act as a stealth candidate, and so forth.
I also tend to look at it like Taqi does, in my worst moments (which in the past few years, have been frequent moments): “Look elsewhere for salvation, because America is terminal.”
So here’s the deal: Do you want us to go to hell in a hand basket faster, or slower?
I vote for slower. Although I can understand the argument for faster. After all, the sooner it’s all total hell, the sooner we can get out of it. Maybe.
Or maybe not, and maybe my children will live far worse lives in a far worse country than even what they face now.
Terry Gain commented:
#90 January 16, 2012 at 5:32 pm
retire05 commented:
#85, Terry Gain, free market capitalism is not the ONLY conservative tenent. There are others; pro-life, traditional marriage, lower taxes, less governmental regulations, the list goes on.
Now, if you can actually exhibit, via his gubernatorial record, how Romney is less of a liberal than Obama, demonstrate it. Otherwise, you are slamming me for pointing out that there is not a nickel’s worth of difference in the governing style of both men.
Firstly, Romney faced 85% liberal opposition in Mass. Secondly, you’ve distorted his record. Thirdly, it’s tenet. Fourthly, come back when you’ve learned Romney’s record rather than the distortion of it and when you know it’s tenet, not tenent.
FurryGuy commented:
What is now being classified as Far Right just a few election cycles ago would have been considered moderate, and what is now Moderate once was RINO. It doesn’t help that a hostile media is making the comparisons and evaluations of what a Conservative or Moderate Republican is.
I personally have been Independent my entire voting life, the character and actual record of the candidate is what gets my vote. Not some letter after their name that ultimately have no meaning. Not what they say they will do just to play politics to get elected.
Patty commented:
If Romney is the candidate there will be one difference, HE WILL WIN.
We have one of the most extraordinary elections and some say it will be a nail bitter. There are a couple of candidates that could chew up Obama and spit him out. McCain was not tough. Disregarding his time in service. Palin was tough.
Obama has been such a socialist and we need to dial it back with more conservative values. But remember one thing in order to win this thing we do need moderates and independents too.
It has been easy for me to decide the best Candidate and by the time it comes to our state the thing will be sowed up, already.
Patty commented:
it has been easy for me to decide the best Candidate
Correction: It HAS NOT been easy for me to decide the best Candidate, I have not. Romney has a better chance to win then McCain in my opinion, though.
retire05 commented:
#99, S. Wolf,
“A Communist is a Socialist is a Nazi”
Actually, prior to 1917, socialism and communism were synonymous. But after 1917, that was no longer applicable. Do you know why? I seriously doubt it, so I will explain it to you:
the avent of Lenin. Lenin added a key element to his brand of “socialism.” Now, it is up to you to learn what that element was, and how it changed basic socialism into Communism. Also, Nazism differed from both socialism and communism as the means of production were not owned by the government. Hitler actually practiced his own form of capitalism whereas many German industrialists became very, VERY wealthy under Nazism.
Please, learn something about a subject before you exhibit how little you know.
retire05 commented:
Patty, Romney will not win against Obama. That, you can take to the bank.
FurryGuy commented:
You might want to read this little tidbit written in 2000 for the Far Left Seattle underground publication, The Stranger, laying out how the GOP electing McCain would be the winner in the national race whereas Bush would lose to Gore:
VOTE FOR BUSH
If 2012 were to be as fair and corruption-free election as possible, then yes, it is a POSSIBILITY, no guarantee, that Romney might prevail. Given the recent history of overt voter intimidation and electoral fraud, it would be a miracle Barry loses the election no matter who is the GOP candidate.
S. Wolf commented:
retire05 #110
Oh.. and you are exhibiting how much you know, I suppose?
‘… The context of Nazism
“True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt’s: “Give back Alsace and Lorraine”. For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?”
Have a look at the quote immediately above and say who wrote it. It is a typical Hitler rant, is it not? Give it to 100 people who know Hitler’s speeches and 100 would identify it as something said by Adolf. The fierce German nationalism and territorial ambition is unmistakeable. And if there is any doubt, have a look at another quote from the same author:
This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom.
That settles it, doesn’t it? Who does not know of Hitler’s glorification of military sacrifice and his aim to establish a “thousand-year Reich”?
But neither quote is in fact from Hitler. Both quotes were written by Friedrich Engels, Karl Marx’s co-author (See here and here). So let that be an introduction to the idea that Hitler not only called himself a socialist but that he WAS in fact a socialist by the standards of his day. Ideas that are now condemned as Rightist were in Hitler’s day perfectly normal ideas among Leftists. And if Friedrich Engels was not a Leftist, I do not know who would be.
But the most spectacular aspect of Nazism was surely its antisemitism. And that had a grounding in Marx himself. The following passage is from Marx but it could just as well have been from Hitler:
“Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew — not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time…. We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development — to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed — has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry”.
Note that Marx wanted to “emancipate” (free) mankind from Jewry (“Judentum” in Marx’s original German), just as Hitler did and that the title of Marx’s essay in German was “Zur Judenfrage”, which — while not necessarily derogatory in itself — is nonetheless exactly the same expression (“Jewish question”) that Hitler used in his famous phrase “Endloesung der Judenfrage” (“Final solution of the Jewish question”). And when Marx speaks of the end of Jewry by saying that Jewish identity must necessarily “dissolve” itself, the word he uses in German is “aufloesen”, which is a close relative of Hitler’s word “Endloesung” (“final solution”). So all the most condemned features of Nazism can be traced back to Marx and Engels, right down to the language used. The thinking of Hitler, Marx and Engels differed mainly in emphasis rather than in content. All three were second-rate German intellectuals of their times. Anybody who doubts that practically all Hitler’s ideas were also to be found in Marx & Engels should spend a little time reading the quotations from Marx & Engels archived here.
Another point:
“Everything must be different!” or “Alles muss anders sein!” was a slogan of the Nazi Party. It is also the heart’s desire of every Leftist since Karl Marx. Nazism was a deeply revolutionary creed, a fact that is always denied by the Left; but it’s true. Hitler and his criminal gang hated the rich, the capitalists, the Jews, the Christian Churches, and “the System”.’
HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
exceller commented:
anyone would be better than Obama but remember that not everyone can beat Obama.
StrangernFiction commented:
Romney = conservatism gets blamed for libtard policies.
Locutisprime commented:
And the band plays on. If Romney (when) gets the nomination, that is as good as conceding the white house to Obama for another four years.
Big Al commented:
#113
Good grief man – I don’t know what you are trying to say but don’t you realize Marx was a Jew?
StrangernFiction commented:
No conservative, no matter how much so, is going to put a dent in the infestation that has intentionally destroyed our nation. Not possible. Look elsewhere for salvation, because America is terminal.
This is the cold hard truth.
retire05 commented:
S. Wolf, you said socialism is communist is nazism
That is, in fact, not true. True socialism, not the “socialism” of of Hitler, is total ownership of all means of production by the government. That is different than Communism, or even Facism.
Now, read what you originalyl said as repeated above. You said basically they are all one and the same. They are not. And it has nothing to do with the distorted way that Hitler used the phrase “socialism” or how some Aussie professor describes it.
I also would dispute that Adolph Hilter was an “intellectual.” He was no more of an intellection than was Stalin or Mao.
Liz commented:
No. Romney is far superior to any candidate we’ve had the last few cycles. Bring in the competence. Puh-LEEEEEZE. Some of us are in serious economic pain from the current experiment in unicorns and fairies.
Molon Labe commented:
Unless Romney can explain his anti Reagan, anti conservative positions I can’t vote support him. I fear that Obama may get through again but I know what to expect with Obama-he will give us the senate and house. I do not know what Romney will do-and he will give us a dhimmirat congress and senate.
Molon Labe commented:
The question as someone asked before is Romney worse than Obama?
Blacque Jacques Shellacque commented:
We already went thru this in 08, did we not get it back THEN?
One thing’s for sure – the GOP still doesn’t get it.
a former dem commented:
I wonder those who won’t for romney,should he be the nominee, why not just go support Obama outright? sitting it out is essentially a vote for Soetero.
I find it so strange that while romney is not a very conservative candidate, he is conservative compared to Obama, and romney is electable; I know many independents like me who will support romney and we support the tea party as well.
Looks like the GOP will screw it up again and then whine and moan for 4 more years for their conservative messaih, and then voice their outrage at who knows how many radical policies Soetero does in the next 4 years, all the while having their righteous conservatism hats on display and saying they won’t vote for anyone who isn’t their conservative messaih.
what a shame. Looks like 4 more years of Soetero, wonder what lefty supreme ct justices will be appointed in the next 4 years?
charlie commented:
Only one worse than McCain and it aint Romney
SOB commented:
#124 January 16, 2012 at 8:27 pm
a former dem commented:
I wonder those who won’t for romney,should he be the nominee, why not just go support Obama outright? sitting it out is essentially a vote for Soetero.
Hardly. A non-vote on one of those two for President, is a vote against both the Establishment and Obama; nothing more.
If you do vote for Romney despite despising him, it merely encourages the Establishment to continue to pay no attention what so ever to the actual people they are supposed to represent.
I will vote against the Establishment and against Obama by punching the ticket for whatever Democrat-leaning 3rd party name has the best change to get 5% and, therefore, national funding for future elections. Would love for the “Green party” to get fed funding as it would be fantastic to have a split Dem vote each and every year moving forward!
Now, the reason is simple.
1) Romney is not even close to someone I can support and is no where near my choice (or even the choice of the people) – he is merely the choice the Establishment has decided to give all their money too in an effort to buy the nomination
2) Romney is going to appoint people to his admin who have consistently hurt the Conservative Movement more then helped (see John Sununu) and likely appoint 3/4 Liberal/Activist-Ind judges again (like he did in MA)
3) Romney is Left of Obama per his Governing Record! In what world is it logical to vote for someone who governed Left of Obama??? I don’t care what he calls himself today – he did it! (and no, “85% Dem Leg” or whatever isn’t an excuse because it merely implies people are going to be fine if he is Left of Obama as President if we give the Dems the house and senate over his tenure.)
4) Romney would destroy the Conservative/GOP brand, just as the last Establishment candidate to get elected did (Bush2) – not that Mitt can even get elected though (he is the least electable candidate -outside Paul- on the ticket, and has never gotten 50% of he vote in any election he has ever ran in! He is consistently a Political Loser who takes all sides of all issue leaving no one trusting what he says, who just happens to have once been handed a Governor seat – nothing more)
5) A GOP House and Senate with an Obama 2nd term means Lame-Duck President who will be hurting the Dem name almost constantly, while having almost no hope of getting anything he wants passed. Sure, he will try to do some unconstitutional stuff thru EO, but the courts will throw that stuff out eventually (and since Kennedy said he wont retire till Obama is gone, so we are set there).
The Country will be better served with 4 more years of Obama hurting the Dem name then 4 years of Romney Governing Left (and/or poorly, as he did both in MA) while further destroying the GOP name and handing everything (including the House & Senate) back to the Dems in 2016
FurryGuy commented:
Yes.
McCain gave us 4 years of Obama, Romney would give us 4 more years, effectively ending the Republic.
S. Wolf commented:
Big Al #117
I am not saying anything.. Marx is saying it.
‘A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT MARX THE ANTISEMITE
(The article below is from Encounter of July 1975, pages 18-23. The authors, W. O. Henderson and W. H. Chaloner, translated and edited a 1971 edition of Engels’ The Condition of the Working Class in England. The article below was part of a “Men and Ideas” series. You can see a photocopy of the original article here. The quotations given are fairly fully footnoted except for the initial selection, which mostly come from Zur Judenfrage. Zur Judenfrage is available in German here and in English here. Online links for most of the quotes can be found via Google once allowance for differences in translation are made. The translations below are generally very elegant. Where Google does not satisfy, most works by Marx and Engels can be found online in order of date at the Marx/Engels library)
Marx/Engels and Racism
By W. H. Chaloner & W. O. Henderson
WHILE Scholars on the Continent have long been aware of the fact that Karl Marx held anti-Semitic views, the same cannot generally be said of their colleagues in England and America.
Marx was a Jew; and when he was growing up in Trier the Jews, though not persecuted, were treated as second-class citizens and excluded from certain professions. No Jew could hold a commission in the Prussian army or practise as a lawyer at the bar. To continue as a member of the legal profession Marx’s father became a Christian and was baptised by a Lutheran army chaplain.
As a boy Marx realised that he was different from his fellows. He had been baptised, but he was “a Jew by race” and suffered from the anti-Semitism prevalent in Germany in his day. His reaction to the situation was an extraordinary one. He ranged himself with the anti-Semites and denounced his own people in a most violent fashion. [1]
His attitude towards the Jews was made clear in two articles which he wrote in 1843 at the age of 25. They were reviews of a book and an article by Bruno Bauer on the Jewish question, and they appeared in the Deutsch-Franzoesische Jahrbuecher (published in Paris in 1844) [2]. Marx regarded capitalism, as operated by the middle classes, as inherently evil; and he argued that Jewish money-making activities lay at the very heart of the obnoxious capitalist system. The following extracts from Marx’s articles indicate his point of view of the Jewish question in his day.
“What is the worldly raison d’etre of Jewry [Judaism]? The practical necessity of Jewry is self-interest.”
“What is the worldly religion of the Jews? It is the petty haggling of the hawker.”
“What is his worldly God?” “It is money.”
“So in Jewry we recognise a contemporary universal anti-social phenomenon, which has reached its present pitch through a process of, historical development in which the Jews have zealously co-operated. And this evil anti-social aspect of Jewry has grown to a stage at which: it must necessarily collapse.”
“The Jews have emancipated themselves in a Jewish fashion. Not only have they mastered the; power of money but – with or without the Jews – money has become a world power. The Jews have emancipated themselves by turning Christians into Jews:”‘… etc.
A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT MARX THE ANTISEMITE
And the fact Marx had two rabbi grandfathers did not make him Jewish. Regardless, there were Jews who colluded with the Nazis, e.g. Soros, and there are many leftist Jews who side with Arabs against Israel, so your point is?
S. Wolf commented:
retire05 #119
You’re confusing yourself. I said there is no difference between Communism and Socialism and Nazism and to all intents and purposes there is not, all are equally deleterious to freedom. Only leftist academics split hairs the way you do. And I never said Hitler was an intellectual, he borrowed and stole and plagiarized what Marx and Engels and Lenin wrote.. but he was a socialist, kiddo..
jorgen commented:
Is Mitt Romney Worse Than McCain?
Yes, lots worse.
bg commented:
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S. Wolf #130 January 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm
i concur.. i mean, what’s in a name,
when the results are the same??
bit more here, in connecting links/threads..
Hitler, The Mufti Of Jerusalem And Modern Islamo Nazism
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bg commented:
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Big Al #117 January 16, 2012 at 7:51 pm
yeah so, Hitler claimed to be Christian..
oh wait, so does Caliph Obama..
much more here & here & here, scroll threads for much more..
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