In the End, Facts Won’t Matter

(Updated)

Guest post by Karen Siegemundtrong

Facts Won’t Matter

In the end, the facts won’t matter. The discussion of who is more vulnerable, who has the most or least baggage in the general election, whose history will hurt him more or less, whether Bain or the Fannie Mae situation will provide more fodder to the Democrats’ political machine won’t matter, even though we like to pretend they will.

The Democrats are already engaged in a scorched-earth slaughter-fest, and the media acts as their advocate and champion; nuances of this or that that we Republicans spend time debating will have no place in the lead-up to the November election. In fact, it’s rather charming to imagine that anyone will care about blind trusts or the differences between consulting and lobbying and who paid what in capital gains taxes and who cheated on his wife.

The media and the Democrats, if you’ll pardon the redundancy, will be creating their own versions of reality, their own sets of “facts” that will have no connection to the truth, and the fraud and slander will be rampant, and loud, and pervasive. Look, if facts mattered, would Obama have won the nomination in 2008, much less the election? With a resume of inconceivable brevity, his only record in the Senate as being the most progressive member, his only real accomplishment in the Illinois Senate being the vetoing of a provision to provide medical care for babies whose attempted abortions failed, his connections with Reverend Wright and the terrorist Bill Ayers and Saul Alinsky.

Barack Obama is a man whose only claim to fame was having “written” two memoirs before the age of 40. Facts played no role at all. Not to Democrat voters when they picked him over the actually qualified Hillary, and not when the nation’s voters elected him over the actually qualified John McCain. So facts don’t matter. Not in the public’s mind, and not when the media is a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

So all this chatter about Newt and Mitt and who is vulnerable and so on -a waste of time, a waste of breath, a waste of keystrokes. Because the Democrats will make up whatever they want, and will lie and distort and do the usual full control of the discourse so that there is not a person alive whose actual record, history, life overall can withstand the smarm from the Left.

What will make a difference? Seizing the discourse back. And this can be done two ways, and only the candidate who excels at these will kick this guy out of our White House. First, the Republican nominee must never kowtow to the slings and arrows of the Democrats, and must instead turn the tables at every opportunity.

Only the candidate who speaks the truth fearlessly and clearly about the current President and the damage he has done will be able to beat him. The lies coming out of the Press Machine are stunning in their falsity: only the nominee who relentlessly and with simplicity and passion reminds the America people of the actual damage that Barack Obama has done to each of us and the nation generally will spur the people to vote to get rid of him on November 6. The nominee must also eloquently and passionately remind us of the greatness of this nation, and revive in us the wellspring of inspiration and excitement that had always been a part of the United States since its founding, and even before.

The candidate who can make us believe in ourselves again, who can incite our imaginations and our feeling that yes, there CAN be a New Morning in America, will win the general election in November. Only the person who enables us to envision ourselves the way we want to be will unseat the whiny and destructive child acting as our President. The real question isn’t whose actual background can withstand competition with a Democrat, but who can actually stand up and seize the discourse and unite American to get us back on the track that we need to be on.

Only a candidate who can clearly articulate our concerns and our hopes and dreams and visions can beat this Liar-in Chief, and ONLY a candidate who will eloquently take on the disastrous actions and policies of this POTUS will be able to beat him. The facts won’t matter. The passion for America will.

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  • Mr. Happyface

    I disagree.

  • Ruebacca

    then we have rached the end.

  • Nobama2012

    The end is near.

  • Warthog

    Same as it ever was,
    Same as it ever was,
    Same as it ever was!

    Say, I coud make a song out of that.

  • Tyranny’s Bain
  • Multitude

    Fact: 52% of Americans agreed with this statement in the 2008 U.S. Presidential election.

  • Liz

    Facts matter. Otherwise Gingrich, Perry, or Cain would still be ahead.

  • Whose facts ?

  • Tiburon

    This could be Gateway Pundits motto…

  • Remco Kimber

    No,
    No,
    No,

    to Romney,

    I live in Massachusetts and am aware of this guy’s duplicity,

  • I thought you had changed your web cite name. For a minute

  • Tjexcite

    2+2=5
    2+2=5
    2+2=5

  • Sickofobama

    Jim Hoft: So TRUE!

    You have “Republicans” who will vote for the guy whose healthcare and MANDATE plan was the blueprint for Obamacare. But they are okay with that because he is the liberal “Republican” like John McShame was.

    As long as it isn’t Gingrich because Romneycare is supposedly pure.

    I will stand on principal and cast my vote for the person who DID NOT SIGN THE ROMNEYCARE BILL!

    The Establishment Republicans are not fighting the real enemy in this country – Barack Hussein Obama – because he is black and are letting him get away with murder, theft, destruction of America, and what honor the Founders left us.

    They can all go to hell! I’ve had it with the GOP because they are the real problem.

  • valerie

    In the end, we will all be dead. That fact does not release us from our responsibility to ourselves and our families, right now.

    God gave us this beautiful Earth, and these marvelous bodies, and he delegated both to us during our lives. He also gave us a lot of instructions and made us a lot of promises about the wonderful results we could achieve, if we live according to His laws, and treat one another right.

    Our ancestors thought it over, and based on those teachings and human experience and their own reasoning, gave us a mechanism for organizing ourselves and regulating our relationships amongst ourselves.

    We have had such sensational results that we think of our country and our people as “blessed.”

    And yet, all along the way, there have been nights when people went to bed wondering if they would have a country the next morning. Our national anthem recounts one such episode. We know what we have is precious, we worry about losing it, and our patriotic songs are filled with prayers for wisdom, self control, and guidance.

    This is my watch. I’ll do my bit as best I can.

  • Kate

    Facts always matter. The problem is the number of fools who ignore the facts to support their ideology. Doesn’t mean the facts aren’t important.

  • Jim, did they give you general anesthesia for your knee surgery? Didn’t they tell you shouldn’t drive or blog after surgery?

  • JAH666

    He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.

    “What is truth, Winston? If I say I float, then I float. There is no immutable truth.”

  • arnonerik

    Facts always matter and one of the facts is that money generally dominates. This means that our weakest candidate, Romney, will win enough primaries to get the nomination. Unfortunately, he can’t outspend Obama or hold the base.

  • Tyranny’s Bain

    #17 January 31, 2012 at 2:29 pm
    JAH666 commented:

    “What is truth, Winston? If I say I float, then I float. There is no immutable truth.”

    How Orwellian.

  • Dems motto: Don’t CONFUSE me with the facts…

  • #14, Valerie, may I use your comment? I like to choose comments from around the web and share them on my fb, with all due recognition to the poster of course. Beautiful comment… I know for me personally, there are times when I get into a despair attitude, it is only human… but thanks to your hopeful comment, I’m not in one today. 😀

  • Gary

    To people saying that Romneycare was the blueprint for Obamacare, are you ever going to get tired of perpetuating a lie?
    This universal healthcare idea has been around since Woodrow Wilson 100 years ago. The legislation for it has been written time and again, and most recently, sat in a drawer in the form of Hillarycare for almost 20 years before Barack Obama got the updated version passed.

    Yes, we’re all aware that Romneycare advisors helped with the language of Obamacare, but the plan was already in place and they’ve been trying to get it for years, long before Romney was even a governor. The blueprint was written long, long ago, not in the final hours that Romney’s advisers put in their two cents worth.

    Further on the point:
    Romneycare covers only a small % of Mass. residents who weren’t covered, it was voted on openly by the authority granted under the 10th amendment to the Constitution, and was very popular when it was passed, and it can be voted out at any time the people stop liking it.
    Obamacare affects 100% of everybdoy in America, was passed through lots and lots of backroom bribes and arm-twisting, had no Constitutional basis, was opposed by 2/3 of the country when it was passed, and once implemented, will never be repealable.

    Some of you may not understand the significance of these differences, but I think others are just disingenuously perpetuating what you know not to be true just to save Newt “I support an individual mandate” Gingrich.

  • bg

    ++

    January 31, 2012

    Thomas Sowell

    Mitt Romney’s fraudulent attacks on Newt Gingrich.

    [But the Wall Street Journal of January 28, 2012, reported that these records — 1,280 pages of them — are already publicly available online. Although Speaker Gingrich decided not to take on the task of fighting the charge from his political enemies in 1997, the Internal Revenue Service conducted its own investigation which, two years later, exonerated Gingrich from the charges. His resignation was not due to those charges and occurred much later.

    Do the Romney camp and the Republican establishment not know this,
    a dozen years later? Or are they far less concerned with whether the
    charges will stand up than they are about smearing Gingrich on the eve
    of the Florida primaries?]

    January 31, 2012

    Rush Limbaugh

    [I’ve tried to highlight it over and over again repeatedly as necessary, as needed. In addition to the effort we all are engaged in to defeat Obama, the Republican Party is hell-bent on making sure that the Tea Party (i.e., conservatives) do not conquer this party and end up controlling it or running it. Now, Sowell is of the belief that the real purpose of Romney’s assault on Gingrich is to just take out the conservative wing of this party and defeat it and send it packing. That it is the establishment, the RINOs, the Teddy Roosevelt wing, the Rockefeller wing, whatever — the moderate Republicans — who don’t have a taste, don’t have any ability to get down and dirty muddy and actually do what it takes to win.]

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  • Taqiyyotomist

    Here’s another fact that won’t matter:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jon-corzine-raised-500000-obama_620781.html

    At least, not in this life.

  • Gary

    As to the subject matter:

    The problem is that the facts are, for the most part, unknown. Facts in Washington are mired in a enormous swamp of lies and half-truths. We little people will never ever know who aligned with whom to accomplish what. We only know what trickles out by the Rep and Dem strategists, and we can only guess how much of that is true. So talk of facts don’t matter.

    Remember how Mitt pounded on Newt for lobbying Freddie Mac, then Newt pounded on Mitt for actually owning shares of Freddie Mac in his portfolio, then Mitt pointed out that his shares were in a blind trust and that Newt also had shares of Freddie Mac? And then Newt’s response, “Oh ok”.

    Aren’t you sickened by both of them? Does anybody honestly think either one is being perfectly straight with us?

    But now 1/2 the people here want Gingrich, and the other half want Romney.
    So as far as that goes, Jim Hoft is right. Facts don’t matter.

  • bg

    ++

    May 17, 2011

    Michael Steele Defends Newt Gingrich On Ryan
    Plan, Suggests GOP Critics Are Being Hypocritical

    [Indeed, before Ryan’s plan was the GOP budget, when it was his “Roadmap,” only 13 House [Republicans signed on. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Majority Leader Cantor (R-VA) “and others [in the GOP caucus] are not showing much eagerness to take up the roadmap’s specifics,” the National Review reported in January. Cantor, “like the others, is not championing the roadmap as the House GOP budget strategy.” Of course, the roadmap became the basis of the GOP budget strategy. This morning, Cantor said in a radio interview that Gingrich’s criticism of the Ryan Plan is wrong and that he is guilty of “tremendous misspeak.” Potential presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty also “explicitly declined to support” Roadmap.]

    via TPMDC

    May 26, 2011

    Cain Breaks From GOP Script, Praises
    Ryan Plan As ‘Voucher’ Program (video)

    “I support Ryan’s plan 100 percent. We don’t need to come up with another
    plan,” Cain responded. “The people who are backing away from Ryan’s plan
    — which is very well thought out, he’s already had it scored — they simply
    lack courage, Gretchen. I don’t know any other way to put it. They lack
    courage.

    November 5, 2011

    Cain, Gingrich Debate Lincoln-Douglas Style

    [The debate is divided into three parts, with each part focusing on
    one entitlement program – Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.]

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  • bg

    ++

    re: #27 January 31, 2012 at 2:51 pm bg

    re: #86 January 31, 2012 at 11:10 am bg

    re: Michael Steele Defends Newt Gingrich On Ryan
    Plan, Suggests GOP Critics Are Being Hypocritical

    [And keep in mind about the Ryan budget, a lot of the people that are
    sort of running around and trying to stir up a little cock fight about what
    Newt Gingrich said, a year a go were saying that the Ryan plan was not
    their plan. That it was Paul Ryan’s plan, not their plan. … What people
    don’t endorse today, they’ll endorse tomorrow.]

    re: Cain Breaks From GOP Script, Praises
    Ryan Plan As ‘Voucher’ Program (video)

    [“Secondly, nobody’s talking about the fact that the centerpiece
    of Ryan’s plan is a voucher
    . Now, a lot of people don’t like to use
    that term because it has a negative connotation. That is what we
    need.”]

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  • Gary

    bg
    Did Newt not run an ad calling Mitt “anti-immigrant”? Was he not running an outright lie and at the same time pandering to a minority voting block?
    How anybody says one is more honest than the other is beyond me.
    They’ve both run lies and they’ve both pretended that their PACs run the ads without any input from them whatsoever.
    Who doesn’t realize this?

  • Aaron Z.

    Which facts won’t matter?

  • Gary

    summing up bg#27

    I guess that means Newt Gingrich lacks courage.

  • Gregor

    Gary, don’t you have a Romney campaign event to attend? I believe he’s texting you. Please take your absurd talking points (lies) elsewhere and leave the rest of us in reality.

  • Sasja

    It’s politics.

  • bg

    ++

    Taqiyyotomist #25 January 31, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    posted about that awhile back, so did GP..

    the MSM et al.. the usual crickets.. 🙁

    ==

  • Nick

    How is a state run health care system the same as a national system? If people do not like a state that leans socialist they can always move to a state that does not. In a national sytem you don’t have that choice. You are stuck. Are conservatives for state rights or not? If Obama used Romney’s health care plan as the blueprint for his, he is a bigger idiot than I first thought. It has shown not to be self sustaining. Romney did not bankrupt a country. He simply showed the rest of the states that it is not a good idea.

    One more quick thing. Why do people say that Romney can’t be elected because of some wacky beliefs of his faith. All organized religions have wacky beliefs. I am a Catholic and I am told that I must believe that a mere mortal (priest) can wave his hand over some bread and it magically becomes the literal body and blood of Jesus Crist. Then we feast on this body. An outsider might think this is strange yet the Kennedy’s proved that even Catholics can be elected president. Remember all religions were started by a flawed humans.

  • Jim W

    Loser style comment. Depends on the facts you want to acknowledge and the one you want to ignore.

  • texas

    In the End, Facts Won’t Matter…….sigh…we tried.

    Linkin Park – In The End (Video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yw1Tgj9-VU&ob=av2e

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #31 January 31, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    no, just the opposite..

    look up the definition of comprehension, oh wait..

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  • Sasja

    Sickofobama. I suggest you read Valerie’s comment. It is her watch, but it is also our watch. We must all do the best we can. This means you as well.

    So draw on your anger, your frustration, roll up your sleeves, and let’s chart a course to get our great nation back to its founding principles. We owe this to our children and grandchildren, and for all those who follow. We owe it to those who have fought and died on foreign battlefields defending our liberties.

    I don’t want to leave this world knowing I did nothing to stop the tide of marxism.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #29 January 31, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    yeah right, you know that it had barely hit the airwaves before
    Gingrich pulled it due to Mitts “you endorse me i’ll endorse you”
    pol-pal Rubio cried aloud about it..

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  • wanumba

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    #5 January 31, 2012 at 2:02 pm
    Tyranny’s Bain commented:
    My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Yes! THANK YOU!!

    We have our cell phone buzzing and lighting tonight full of SMS messages of riots and protestors, as I write this, reports of being killed, every death a guarantee of escalation and future violence. We are waiting for the message that our kids’ school will be cancelled tomorrow. It was closed today and everyone sent home at noon so families could get their kids home before the violence erupted. We do not know if school will be open tomorrow. We do not know if we send our kids to school whether we will be able to get them home. This is the fifth day of violence!!

    Any one of you reading this worried about that tomorrow? NO!! Then straighten up!! Stand firm!! Put your petition to the Lord. If there are so many lies, then the ONLY correct act is to ask the Lord to give the truth. God knows the TRUTH. He will reply and counsel you if you ASK!!! DO what HE says, and don’t worry about things you can’t control.

    The liars and scoundrals are DOOMED. So what if we don’t see it on this earth? They will be held accountable. Be at peace. The ONLY correct action is to hold to TRUTH. FEW people will, so it’s LONELY!!! But it’s the ONLY right thing to do.

    The worst thing to do is quit before you’ve seen what GOD can do.

  • Facts. Pesky things.

    ‘… He’s not a conservative. There have been a lot of conservatives who’ve talked a good game during the primaries and then have let us down in D.C., but if Mitt Romney becomes the nominee and gets elected, some people seem to be hoping that he’ll be the first Republican moderate to go to D.C. and turn into a fire-breathing conservative. Based on his record, if Mitt Romney is nominated, he will be the least conservative candidate since Nixon.

    Moreover, keep in mind that in 1994, when Mitt Romney was 47 years old, he was telling people that, “I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush” and the Contract with America was “not a good idea.” Eight years later in 2002, when he was 55 years old, Mitt Romney was saying, “I think people recognize that I’m not a partisan Republican, that I’m someone who is moderate, and that my views are progressive.” Oh, joy! So he was a progressive, like Hillary Clinton! After four years of governing as a barely right of center moderate and coming up with Romneycare, a piece of signature legislation that any liberal Democrat would be proud of, Mitt Romney supposedly became a conservative — precisely at the same moment he started running for President. What a stunning coincidence!

    He’s also an extremely nasty campaigner — a little like Barney Frank, without the modicum of vicious charm that endears him to liberals. Want to know why this campaign has been so divisive? That’s easy: Mitt Romney embraced win-at-all-costs character assassination and negative advertising as the primary tactic of his campaign and the other candidates had to respond to it. Since he’s proven too unlikable to be pulled up very much, Mitt’s strategy has been to pull the other candidates down, even if it leads to a mud fight that lessens anyone’s chances of winning in a general election.

    Additionally, as Mike Huckabee has noted, “[Romney] looks like the guy who fires you, not the guy who hires you” — and by the way, he does. This, along with the incredibly effective Bain ads that helped sink Mitt in South Carolina are why he’s had to release pictures of himself awkwardly doing laundry — because his campaign believes it allows normal human beings to be able to relate to him better. Is that a good sign? That our “super electable” GOP candidate feels compelled to release pictures of himself standing in front of a washing machine to reassure people that he’s more like them? Of course, it won’t work because Mitt Romney may be the first politician I’ve ever seen who has the ability to NEVER appear to be completely sincere about anything. Combine that with his campaign’s smug “Megan McCainesque” sense of entitlement and Mitt Romney would be going into the 2012 campaign with a likability deficit even compared to Barack Obama, who has nauseated the entire country with his radicalism, incompetence, and Barney the Dinosaur style sloganeering. What it all comes down to is that when people see a pampered, prissy, fake, spiteful son of a governor who’s being served the GOP nomination on a silver platter because he kissed the right establishment behinds, benefitted from an enormous media double standard, and has more money than everyone else, well, let’s just say that’s exactly the sort of person who inspired someone to come up with the word schadenfreude.’

    Five Reasons So Many Grassroots Conservatives Don’t Like Mitt Romney

  • More Liberty

    They don’t matter now. People appear to be more concerned with what candidates and politicians say – not what they do.

    Rombama, Newt or Sanaterium are not Constitutional conservatives thay respect individual liberty or personal freedom. They, like the liberals, want to control and have power.

  • Ghost

    #14 Valerie is the best comment I ever read.

  • Adirondack Patriot

    In the end, their facts won’t matter. The only facts that matter is: I am an American and I will succeed and thrive. I will find other Americans who also want to succeed and make them my allies. I will find a way to free myself from the entanglement of government, no matter what it takes.

    Only my facts matter, not the politicians.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #40 January 31, 2012 at 3:16 pm bg

    “he felt it was inaccurate”, who is he, Iglesias or Streisand?? /s/

    bit more here..

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  • Gary

    Cain: “people who are backing away from Ryan’s plan …. simply lack courage”

    Gingrich: “Ryan plan….. right-wing social engineering”

    What did I miss?

  • Gary

    Gregor

    Don’t you have a Newt rally to attend?

    Oh, sorry. I guess you can’t technically call it a “rally” when the guy is plummeting in the polls.

  • Frank H

    If I thought it would actually get to him, I would write Romney the following:

    Dear Mitt,

    You had an opportunity to convince me that you are conservative, even vaguely conservative, and thereby gain my full support. Instead, you chose to trash conservatives and conservatism and now you’ve earned my anger. You will likely have my vote on Nov. 6, but on Nov. 7 I will be your adversary and I will be fighting to replace the Republican Party with a party that has a spine and actually represents the interests of the people instead of the Washington Elite.

    Regrets,

    Frank H

  • bg

    ++

    valerie #14 January 31, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    thank you..

    there is a God, and we are the people, Amen..

    ==

  • Toddski

    Gateway has really gone off the rails……What does this even mean??

  • Toddski

    Marco Rubio just came out and said, the “Florida Primary Winner Will Be The Nominee Of Our Party”

  • jd

    of course facts matter.

    then again, this is why this administration rectifies history.

    that’s how we are supassing our chocolate ration.

  • wanumba

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    #51 January 31, 2012 at 3:36 pm
    Toddski commented:
    Gateway has really gone off the rails……What does this even mean??
    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    It means Jim Hoft is undergoing knee surgery and it’s a physical stress and a bummer.

    He’ll be more chipper later.

  • Gary

    BTW, are you disputing the point that the socialist healthcare plan was written decades before Obama or Romney were even on the scene?

    Rush himself said that this healthcare bill was just too big to be written in that short amount of time. It’s obviously been sitting in a drawer waiting for the right opportunity. Obamacare is a Hillarycare revamp, which was a takeoff from the Johnson admin, which came from the FDR plan, which was modeled after the Wilson plan. It was fleshed out long before Romney’s advisers came along, and would have been finalized and passed with or without them. I’ve listed out the difference in the two plans as I see it, and reasonable people cand decide.

    And by the way, Rush supported Romney in 2008. Is Rush a RINO? Supporting Romney at this point just makes sense. Supportiing Gingrich at this point just doesn’t. It’s no longer about who’s conservative, because there’s only one conservative left in the race and he’s polling around 10%. Do you want to back the guy who’s almost certain to win or the guy who’s almost certain to blow it?

    Well, never mind. It doesn’t matter what you want. Most people will reach the same conclusion I did and that will be apparent tonight. I’ll be back tomorrow to read all the grumbling about poor old conservative cap-and-trade, global-warming, Freddie Mac lobbying (oh sorry, historian) wife-cheating Newt.

  • Gary

    Frank H #49

    Same here.
    This is absolutely a nose-holding vote for me too. I’m no fan of Romney. I’ve been on this site for a couple of years now, and if anybody can dig up anything I said in support of Romney earlier than December, I’ll be amazed to see it.
    We had a great chance to rally around a conservative, but unfortunately, we all picked different conservatives and then we cheered as the other guys’ conservatives were picked off. Now we’re left with these two soup sandwiches.
    I’ve explained why I picked Romney enough times today, so I won’t repeat it.
    But just to sum up, same here.

  • bg

    ++

    Gary #23 January 31, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    [To people saying that Romneycare was the blueprint for
    Obamacare, are you ever going to get tired of perpetuating
    a lie?]

    btw, i stood up for Romney regarding that point, not anymore.. 🙁

    [Newt “I support an individual mandate” Gingrich]

    #27 January 31, 2012 at 2:51 pm bg

    [And keep in mind about the Ryan budget, a lot of the people that are
    sort of running around and trying to stir up a little cock fight about
    what Newt Gingrich said, a year ago were saying that the Ryan plan
    was not their plan
    . That it was Paul Ryan’s plan, not their plan. …]

    [“I support Ryan’s plan 100 percent. We don’t need to come up with
    another plan,” Cain responded. “The people who are backing away from
    Ryan’s plan — which is very well thought out, he’s already had it scored
    — they simply lack courage, Gretchen. I don’t know any other way to put
    it. They lack courage.”
    ]

    Paul Ryan admits there’s an “individual mandate” in his budget plan

    Gingrich: I oppose Paul Ryan’s Medicare reform
    but support a “variation” of the individual mandate

    ==

  • Molon Labe

    BG

    Thought you might be interested in this article from Rightwing News regarding Romney’s character.

    I would urge all here to read it to reflect on what kind of conservative Mitt Romney is.

    Over the last few weeks or so, various elements of the mainstream media have reported that, aside from gay marriage, Romney continues to support much of the gay agenda. He does not talk about his positions on gay issues but if questioned, he invariably comes down on the liberal side. Indeed, Romney has come out in support of allowing gays to serve openly in the military, “anti-discrimination” laws, domestic partnerships and gay adoption rights. Of course, all of these positions come at the expense of the constitutional rights of others, military morale, and what’s best for children, but Romney does not appear to care, yet he continues to portray himself as a social conservative.

    For those familiar with Romney’s gubernatorial record, these stances are not shocking. He has always been a strong advocate for the homosexual agenda but many conservative groups, writers, and even talk show hosts have declined to write or talk about it for reasons that are mystifying. Indeed, Massachusetts pro-family leader Amy Contrada has written a 1,000-page book – Mitt Romney’s Deception –documenting in incredible detail the hundreds of actions and policies pursued by Governor Romney in support of the homosexual agenda. The book is a plethora of shocking information yet very few conservative writers will review the book.

    Contrada’s book makes clear beyond any doubt that Romney initiated what was perhaps the most aggressive effort in American history to advance gay rights. He appointed gay judges, issued gay proclamations, gave a “parents of the year” award to a gay couple, funded gay school programs, promoted gay pride parades, gay proms, and much more. Additionally, Governor Romney aggressively and unilaterally implemented the Goodridge gay marriage decision even though the court never ordered him to do so. Moreover, he personally issued special “one-day” permits for 189 same sex couples to marry. So much for opposing gay marriage “at every opportunity” as his campaign claims he did.

    Romney’s consultants are thrilled that much of this has been ignored by the media but with Romney on the verge of winning the GOP nomination, isn’t it about time all aspects of his record are analyzed? After all, his actual record will be far more indicative of how he will govern as President than are poll-driven campaign sound bites.

    The Romney’s campaign has boasted of how he was a proponent of abstinence education while Governor, but when one researches his record, his abstinence program was watered down to the point of being useless, was placed in only a small fraction of schools and, as one Romney staff member stated, “did not replace comprehensive sex education.” In other words, they kept the Planned
    Parenthood “have-sex-with-anyone-for-any-reason” sex ed program intact. By this time, Romney knew he was running for President so it’s likely his phony abstinence program was designed to give him fodder for future campaign speeches.

    However, something else has come to light that’s even more revealing regarding Romney’s weak abstinence record, and that’s his support for the AIDS Action Committee (AAC). Despite its charitable sounding name, the AAC is an extremely radical homosexual group that aggressively opposes abstinence education and promotes a total hedonistic homosexual lifestyle including “transgenderism,” sadomasochistic behavior and group sex. It opposes any moral limits on sexual behavior, no matter how risky or unhealthy. And it’s no secret – they’re very boastful about their views.

    One might say, ok, well, so what, what’s does some wacked out gay group in Boston have to do with Mitt Romney? Well, according to financial records released while governor, Romney personally gave $10,000 to this group in 2004.

    In contrast, Romney gave $2,500 in 2003 to the Best Friends Foundation, an organization operated by Bill Bennett’s wife that promotes abstinence among teenage girls. So a radical hedonistic anti-abstinence gay group gets $10,000 from Romney but an abstinence group run by conservatives receives a quarter of that amount. Hmm…

    One of the AAC’s more infamous publications is The Little Black Book, Queer in the 21st Century, which was published, as the booklet itself states, with assistance from Romney’s Department of Public Health. The booklet promotes the most perverse behavior, including “water sports,” “rimming” and “fisting.” It also lists local gay bars. Incredibly, this filth was distributed to public schools. In 2005, when some parents discovered the booklet was passed out at Brookline High, all hell broke loose. Apparently, some parents thought teaching their kids how to urinate on one another wasn’t a good idea. The controversy was covered by the Boston Globe and Romney was questioned by a reporter about it. He had little choice but to denounce The Little Black Book as “graphic pornographic material” that didn’t belong in the public schools.

    However, a year earlier, Romney’s own Department of Public Health assisted AAC with the publication of the booklet. Moreover, the AAC has always used graphic material in its publications, even during the time period it received $10,000 from Romney. It’s what AAC is known for. It is hard to believe Romney didn’t know this. Romney apologists will argue that AAC also worked to prevent AIDS, but it hard to see how a group that promotes such risky behaviors can do any good preventing AIDS. AAC’s support of the lets-have-sex-with-as-many-partners-as-possible lifestyle and its advocacy of group sex, bathhouses, and opposition to abstinence programs make them the poster group for everything that created the AIDS epidemic.

    However, in retrospect, Romney did support some of AAC’s policies. Romney had no problem with condom distribution in the public schools, another AAC goal, despite the message such a program sends to children. When asked about distributing condoms in schools, he replied, “if a community feels that condom distribution is a helpful thing, then that community should be able to do that. And if another community feels that’s something they don’t support, then they should have the right to do that, as well.” That’s real leadership for you.

    The AAC contribution raises many troubling questions. Most importantly, why kind of moral compass does Romney possess if he’s willing to give $10,000 to a group that openly supports the most hedonistic and unsafe homosexual behaviors? How can Romney be a faithful Mormon and still support AAC? Is this Romney’s idea of gay “rights?” Lastly, if Romney thinks the AAC approach is the way AIDS should be fought, what will he do when he has control of the Federal Department of Health and Human Services?

  • bg

    ++

    re: #57 January 31, 2012 at 4:00 pm bg

    oh yeah, Gingrich was in agreement re: Ryan Plan solutions via the Cain
    Gingrich Lincoln Douglas style debate, you should listen to it, might learn
    something, might not, but hey, we can’t all be geniuses because we say
    so.. /s/

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  • Mary

    Valerie and Frank H….excellent.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #57 (et al) January 31, 2012 at 4:00 pm bg

    Gingrich: Ryan’s Medicare proposal is ‘too big a jump’ 1

    MR. GREGORY: What about entitlements? The Medicare trust fund, in stories that have come out over the weekend, is now going to be depleted by 2024 , five years earlier than predicted. Do you think that Republicans ought to buck the public opposition and really move forward to completely change Medicare , turn it into a voucher program where you give seniors…

    REP. GINGRICH: Right.

    MR. GREGORY: …some premium support and — so that they can go out and buy private insurance?

    REP. GINGRICH: I don’t think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left- wing social engineering . I don’t think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate. I think we need a national conversation to get to a better Medicare system with more choices for seniors. But there are specific things you can do . At the Center for Health Transformation , which I helped found, we published a book called ” Stop Paying the Crooks .” We thought that was a clear enough, simple enough idea, even for Washington . We — between Medicare and Medicaid , we pay between $70 billion and $120 billion a year to crooks. And IBM has agreed to help solve it, American Express has agreed to help solve it, Visa ‘s agreed to help solve it. You can’t get anybody in this town to look at it. That’s, that’s almost $1 trillion over a decade. So there are things you can do to improve Medicare .

    MR. GREGORY: But not what Paul Ryan is suggesting, which is completely changing Medicare .

    REP. GINGRICH: I, I think that, I think, I think that that is too big a jump. I think what you want to have is a system where people voluntarily migrate to better outcomes, better solutions, better options, not one where you suddenly impose upon the — I don’t want to — I’m against Obamacare , which is imposing radical change , and I would be against a conservative imposing radical change .

    MR. GREGORY: Let me ask you about the issue of taxes. You’ve been clear so far in your campaign. You want to reduce the corporate tax rate, reduce other taxes, make permanent the Bush era tax cuts . You won’t raise taxes? You won’t consider it as part of a balanced budget at any point, raising taxes ?

    REP. GINGRICH: No.

    MR. GREGORY: Under no circumstances?

    REP. GINGRICH: I, I believe this is a country which has overspent, it’s not undertaxed. And I believe every time you raise taxes, the politicians use that as an excuse to avoid facing the real decisions we’re, we’re confronting. We have a moment in history where we can get our house in order if we have the courage to stick to the job. I mean, I helped balance the budget for four straight years. We did it by cutting taxes and bringing the unemployment rate down to below 4 percent. The number one job in America today is to get people back to work because America only works when Americans are working.

    MR. GREGORY: But serious bipartisan figures who have looked at this said you can’t simply have a conversation about bringing the deficit into balance, the budget into balance, without looking at revenue increases.

    REP. GINGRICH: Look, serious bipartisan figures are operating within the Washington consensus , which is wrong. You can, in fact, fundamentally rethink the federal government . Let me give you an example. IBM and Dell , and the other high-tech companies came together,

    issued a report: If the federal government was simply run as effectively as a multinational corporation, it’s worth $125 billion a year. I just put on the table for you not paying crooks, which is worth between $70 billion and $120 billion a year. None of these serious bipartisan figures rethink the federal government . They fight over the current shape of the federal government.

    to be continued..

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  • daryl

    Florida Primary Election Map – Political Currents – MiamiHerald.com

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/30/2616078/florida-primary-election-map.html

  • Skinner

    Time to smack Obama hard.

    Romney will be our man.

    Get out of the fetal position, grow a pair and get behind the movement to unseat this socialist pos we have running us into despair.

    I come from a country lost to the communist hoards and ruled by one man ever since seizing power. We had NO vote to replace him, ever.

    Time to vote this son of a Kenyan Marxist out for good.

    .

  • bg

    ++

    #61 January 31, 2012 at 4:15 pm bg continued.

    Gingrich: All have a responsibility to pay for health care

    MR. GREGORY: All right, let me ask you about another hot-button issue in the Republican primary , of course, and that’s health care . Mitt Romney having to defend his proponent — that he was a proponent of universal health care in Massachusetts , and specifically around this idea of the individual mandate where you make Americans buy insurance if they don’t have it. Now, I know you’ve got big difference with what you call Obamacare . But back in 1993 on this program this is what you said about the individual mandate. Watch.

    REP. GINGRICH: I am for people, individuals — exactly like automobile insurance — individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance . And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance .

    MR. GREGORY: What you advocate there is precisely what President Obama did with his healthcare legislation, is it not?

    REP. GINGRICH: No, it’s not precisely what he did. In, in the first place , Obama basically is trying to replace the entire insurance system, creating state exchanges, building a Washington – based model, creating a federal system . I believe all of us — and this is going to be a big debate — I believe all of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care . I think the idea that…

    MR. GREGORY: You agree with Mitt Romney on this point.

    REP. GINGRICH: Well, I agree that all of us have a responsibility to pay — help pay for health care . And, and I think that there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy. I’ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement that you either have health insurance or you post a bond…

    MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.

    REP. GINGRICH: …or in some way you indicate you’re going to be held accountable.

    MR. GREGORY: But that is the individual mandate, is it not?

    REP. GINGRICH: It’s a variation on it.

    MR. GREGORY: OK.

    REP. GINGRICH: But it’s a system…

    MR. GREGORY: And so you won’t use that issue against Mitt Romney .

    REP. GINGRICH: No. But it’s a system which allows people to have a range of choices which are designed by the economy. But I think setting the precedent — you know, there are an amazing number of people who think that they ought to be given health care . And, and so a large number of the uninsured earn $75,000 or more a year, don’t buy any health insurance because they want to buy a second house or a better car or go on vacation. And then you and I and everybody else ends up picking up for them. I don’t think having a free rider system in health is any more appropriate than having a free rider system in any other part of our society.

    <ok, there you go.. un-altered, bo opinion attached,
    just what wqs spoken in it's entirely "in context"..

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  • Obama2012

    The truth is that which serves Pharaoh.

    God gave me free will that I mortgaged to Obama and his regime.

    I discarded my conscience that God gave me to use and not surrender.

  • bg

    ++

    oh yes, lets press on with the NWO back-up plan
    via passing Obama’s Torch on to Romney.. gah!!

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  • Greg

    In the end, the fact that when Romney loses the election and Republican’s who chose him are responsible for Obama getting a second term, they will deny responsibility and blame someone or something else. Clearly, we must now acknowledge that a large majority of Americans on the left and the right can easily be mentally manipulated and fooled into believing that a sow’s ear is a silk purse.

  • bg

    ++

    Molon Labe #58 January 31, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    you forgot to include a link, and there are several, but here is
    the first that popped up when i googled some of the info you
    provided..

    Romney Contributed $10,000 to Radical Gay Group In 2004

    NWO here we come, and we’ve only just begun, first we’ll go full throttle
    into perverse, then before we know what hit US, the Islamists in waiting
    will rise up and engineer our course to warp speed in reverse.. *sigh*

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  • valerie

    Breathtaking. Mary Katharine Ham and Chris Matthews.

    Chris never heard or saw any of the “Bushhitler” stuff. According to him, that kind of thing only started with Obama. I kid you not, near the end of clip.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/tea-party-vs-occupy-violence-throwdown-conservative-queen-mary-katharine-ham-flusters-objective-chris-matthews-with-facts/

  • In the end, facts won’t matter?…That’s weird…

    I was told that in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make…

    cnredd
    Political Wrinkles
    http://politicalwrinkles.com

  • bg

    ++

    in the end, there is always a beginning.. 🙁

    “what the fascist left have been aiming for is to “equate” good with evil..
    that’s the only way they can appease their conscience in the face of the
    harsh reality they are trying to escape from because it does not fit in with
    their ideological utopian matrix.. if there is no good vs evil, then all is good
    even if [the] all is evil..” – bg

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  • valerie #14

    Good words.

  • socalmike

    All of the GOP candidates suck. Deal with it. But they don’t suck as bad as the guy sitting in the White House.

  • Sasja

    I think the whole damned problem is pols thinking they should even be involved in the health care industry.

    Why do people think that just because they elect some jackass to Congress that guy knows better than the individual as to what type of health insurance they need? I am totally disgusted with the American people and their acceptance of the premise that “government” should be involved at all.

  • Aaron Z.

    In the end, the fact that when Romney loses the election and Republican’s who chose him are responsible for Obama getting a second term, they will deny responsibility and blame someone or something else.

    Actually, Romney polls much better than any other Republican against Obama. Yesterday Gallup even had him beating Obama. So it’s not at all clear that he’s going to lose.

    After our summer of $5 to $6 a gallon gas, and when fuel oil hits the highest price in history this winter, and when people are still out of work, it’s going to make Obama’s argument that he deserves a second term seem genuinely insane.

    Plus, this is the first election since 2002 in which the GOP isn’t hobbled by McCain-Feingold. You’re going to see an avalanche of savage ads pointing out all of Obama’s failures on the economic front, as well as ads about Eric Holder. For the first time since 2002, Republicans will have as much money for ads as the Dems.

    Your pessimism is completely premature.

  • valerie #69

    re Chris never heard or saw any of the “Bushhitler” stuff

    ‘A protester with a sign saying “Kill Bush” and advocating that the White House be bombed, at the March 18, 2007 anti-war rally in San Francisco.
    (Source: zombietime)

    “Save Mother Earth, Kill Bush” says this sign from a November 20, 2003 protest.
    (Source: Innovative Minds.)

    A recommendation that Bush should hang, from an October 27, 2007 protest in Los Angeles.
    (Source: Ringo’s Pictures.)

    “Bush is the disease, Death is the cure,” says this protester at an anti-war rally in San Francisco.
    (Source: People’s Cube.)

    “I’m here to kill Bush (shoot me)” reads this protest sign (location unknown).

    Two different pictures of the same sign saying “Bush — the only dope worth shooting,” at the March 15, 2008 anti-war rally in Los Angeles.
    (Source: photo on the left from Ringo’s Pictures
    ; photo on the right reposted on michellemalkin.com.)’ Etc.

    Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years

    Facts the left ignores.

  • bg

    ++

    valerie #69 January 31, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    August 14, 2009

    Bush as Hitler, Swastika-Mania: A Retrospective

    August 19, 2009

    Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years

    Rep. Emanuel Cleaver Admits he Was Never Spit on..

    wait, the Goracle internet & airwaves are next
    in line to undergo Goebbelization.. /truth sarc/

    ==

  • valerie

    #22 January 31, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    TeachX3 commented:

    Sure, and thanks for asking, first.

  • retire05

    bg has provide the transcript between Gingrich and David Gregory.

    Now, Gingrich equates having health insurance to having auto insurance, although if I choose not to own a vehicle, I am not required by STATE law to carry auto insurance. I can still drive, providing I have a legal driver’s license, and I am driving a vehicle that is insured by someone else.

    Gingrich also supports a voucher system whereas those who cannot afford health insurance will be given a “government subsidity.” The problem with that senario, like all other ideas where the government hands out subsidities or benefits to certain people is that the government has no money of its own, and consequently must take from one person to give to another. The person who is responsible, and carries insurance will wind up paying for the irresponsible person who does not, depending on the income of the irresponsible person.

    Sorry folks, that is redistribution of wealth, pure and simple.

    Gingrich goes on to say that ALL of us have a responsibility to pay for health care. The problem is that his idea will be work out about as well as all of us having a responsibility to buy our own food, yet, there are those irresponsible ones who don’t buy food because WE provide the tax base where they are giving “vouchers” for food, i.e. food stamps.

    What Gingrich said, to anyone who was listening was “Hey, you should be forced to carry health insurance, but it you are too lazy to do what it takes to be able to afford it, the government, on the tax payer’s dime, will provide it to you. And the poor schlep who is responsible and does carry health insurance can pay for himself and the person who doesn’t do what is required to be able to afford it through taxation (government subsidities).”

    Sounds like a hellofa plan to me. It is already to the point where you can screw up your life, not get an education, screw your brains out and have 3 kids, and the taxpayer will supply you with a home, utilities, free food, free cell phones with over 100 minutes a month, free cable, and now, free health insurance.

    Why should anyone ever want to bust their tail at some hard job 8-10 hours a day when they can just live off the government?

  • bg

    ++

    Aaron Z. #76 January 31, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    disclaimer: i am not a believer in polls..

    however, just to prove my own point that polls were fixed to myself.. i
    kept track via posting the RCP stats for weeks.. everything seemed on
    up & up, well, that is until about 2 days before the IOWA primary when
    Gingrich’s numbers started dropping and Romney’s started climbing, in
    the end it was an approx 20 point change, for all intent and purpose..
    OVERNIGHT..

    now, here’s the latest via RCP dated 1/31/12..

    National

    30.3 Gingrich +2.5
    27.8 Romney
    16.8 Santorum
    12.5 Paul

    Florida

    41.8 Romney +13.0
    28.8 Gingrich
    13.0 Santorum
    10.3 Paul

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  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #80 January 31, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    bottom line: “mandates” vouchers”

    it’s the RYAN PLAN that everyone was all heads over heels about..

    traitors to the left of US, hypocrites to the right..

    here comes Newt Gingrich again putting up a fight!!

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  • Joey C.

    Jim,

    We don’t need alot to work with! LOL

  • bg

    ++

    Joey C. #83 January 31, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    ROTF 😆 MBO!!

    comic relief much appreciated , thanks..

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  • Larry Sheldon

    What did the now departed item say?

  • squeaky

    valerie #69
    in addition to matthews…..
    [[DNC Spokesman Claims Democrats Never Used ‘Extreme Rhetoric’ Against Bush..]] it’s bad enough to have a lost day or even a lost week but i apparently had a lost 11 [and counting] years. i recognize the “my way or the highway” train of thought.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dnc-spokesman-claims-democrats-never-used-extreme-rhetoric-against-bush_620771.html

  • retire05

    bg, spin it any way you want. Vouchers, or subsidities, or what ever you want to call them, are still a redistribution of wealth system where some pay for the rest. And I am against any more systems like that.

    You want health insurance? Buy it. But don’t expect to fund it.

    And I am still waiting on you to give me the date Sean Parnell was sworn in as Lt. Governor of Alaska since he quit his lobbying job on January 3, 2006.

  • retire05

    Ooops,

    But don’t expect ME to fund it.

  • bg

    ++’

    retire05 #87 January 31, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    hah, you detested Cain yet praised
    Perry who supported HillaryCare..

    you’re either a hypocrite, or Obama signs
    your pay check, oh wait..what’s the diff??

    [now you go ahead and biotch cry about my linking to
    my own posts, newsflash, that’s where the links are..]

    ==

  • retire05

    bg, explain something to those of us who are obviously not as smart as you are: what part of the letter sent to Hillary about Hillary care said he supported a plan that was not yet designed?

    You are such a liar. You are now claiming that in April, Perry supported a plan that was not released for six months after that.

    And I didn’t (don’t) detest Cain. He was wrong for the office of presidency as he was clueless about a lot of things, including “wet foot, dry foot.” End of story.

    Now, how about giving the date that Sean Parnell was sworn in as Lt. Governor of Alaska? Or does the cat have your tongue on that issue?

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #87 January 31, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    you tell me..

    but don’t expect me to respond to any more of your bait
    and switch “i think i’m the cats meow” stupid questions..

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  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #90 January 31, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    give it up 0linsky..

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  • retire05

    bg, you don’t answer questions. You just respond with snarky remarks.

    The reason you won’t give the date Parnell was sworn in, after you showed that he left the lobbying firm on January 3, 2006 is because you know I just handed your ass to you.

  • retire05

    “and often experience lack of services.”

    Would someone please explain to bg what that means when you live in a rural area? She’s too clueless to understand it’s meaning.

  • Tyranny’s Bain

    Guest post by Karen Siegemundtrong

    Only a candidate who can clearly articulate our concerns and our hopes and dreams and visions can beat this Liar-in Chief, and ONLY a candidate who will eloquently take on the disastrous actions and policies of this POTUS will be able to beat him. The facts won’t matter. The passion for America will.

    Great article!

  • bg

    ++

    retire05

    like i said, sad..

    carry On..

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  • retire05

    bg, still dodging the questions, I see.

    You are so tranparent, it’s not even funny anymore.

    I handed your ass to you over Parnell, and you know it. And you have no answers how Perry could support a Hillary health care plan in April when it was not released until almost October.

    Normal people would be ashamed to be such a dupe, but you’re not. You don’t have the brains to be ashamed. So you just continue to show what a harpy you are.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #93 January 31, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Not Only Did Rick Perry Support Hillarycare…

    there you go you self descript ass handler you..

    fini..

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  • GrandmaC

    I completely agree with this blog!! BTW – this was not written by Jim. Please read the byline people.

    Guest post by Karen Siegemundtrong

    Tyranny’s Bain – AMEN to you sir.

  • retire05

    bg, so you found some unknown blogger, who no one ever heard of before, that makes a comment about something he is totally uninformed on, and I am supposed to take that as proof of what? That you are scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to keep from admitting I handed your ass to you over Parnell?

    The only thing you are good for is providing comic relief.

  • Mimi

    So Paul or Santorum should be the candidate. Again as I state every time Newt-Mitt-McCain-Obama supported indiv mandate, TARP and climate chg. As a conservative in my fifties this will be the first time I’m considering a write in if Newt or Mitt get the nomination. As a matter of fact all the women in our church group are discussing this. We held our nose and voted McCain last time only because of Palin but no more nose holding.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #100 January 31, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    you are pathetic, but alas i digress.. *sigh*

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  • bg

    ++

    re: retire05 #100 January 31, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    re: #98 January 31, 2012 at 7:04 pm bg

    [Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.]

    you handed my ass to me, indeed..

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  • retire05

    bg, why don’t you just put your big girl panties on and answer the questions I put to you? Are you afraid of embarrasing yourself? If so, it’s too late for that.

    Now, try being honest for one time since you showed up here.

  • retire05

    bg, are you deliberately trying to be obtuse? You know what I was talking about. I handed your ass to you over Sean Parnell. Now you are trying to make apples out of oranges.

    What a weasel you are. A dishonest weasel, at that.

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  • reta.. er.. ire05 #106 and up the page

    namecalling again, eh? Well, I suppose I shouldn’t be :shock:ed, not at you. Cyberbullying is your nature, between the senile dementia and the drinking it’s a wonder you know your own name.

  • retire05

    S. Wolf, are you chiming in because bg doesn’t have the cajones to defend herself? Or is this just more of your tag team tactics that you and she use against people that make you look like the mental midgets you are?

    BTW, I don’t drink anything alcoholic. Never have. But I am sure you have killed your fair share of brain cells. Perhaps that explains your association with bg.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05

    yep, i’m all of those things and a bag of chips..

    ask S. Wolf, he’ll vouch for me.. 😆

    carry on..

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  • bg

    ++

    re: #110 January 31, 2012 at 8:04 pm bg\

    carry on..

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  • Molon Labe

    #109

    Retarded, of course I don’t drink she snorted!

  • bg

    ++

    re: #110 January 31, 2012 at 8:04 pm bg

    btw S. Wolf, you are a he, no??

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  • bg
  • Amjean

    Romney’s win, supported by the grey haired women “Oh, Romney is so good looking” and
    the grey haired men “see how rich he is” and the hispanics “he won’t take away our government
    goodies (which means a variety of things too lengthy to state here) was not unexpected.

    However, it is sad to know the ignorance of the voter.

  • Patty

    I can’t believe that facts don’t matter. Obama has screwed around with our economy, health, debt, borders, friends, well, name it and he is divided us like no other president in history.

    The next election is a referendum on his bankrupting of a nation. He has lost money and that money is ours not his to lose on Companies that have failed and 5 trillion in debt. Obama has been more of a pest than a president.

    I seriously, believe that Obama has a childhood memory or emotional situation that has made him into a bully of sorts. His reactions to everything is it is someone else fault.

    He doesn’t talk about the facts about failures but about Congress or the Republican Party hate middle class. Why? the guy has emotional problems. He is one sicko. Maybe I am crazy but he is playing mind games. He can’t say he is sorry.

    TARMAC proved this, he can apologize to our enemies but then treat Governor Brewer with hostility. Smiles about his improper behavior. Sick do this sort of thing. Those with no conscience or moral values. I can’t take criticism. Even when the other person has serious questions he will go back to himself and why they are trying to hurt him.

    Chavez is another one, Obama posed with him, with Chavez book. Obama treats enemies with kid gloves and tries to appease them with his words. Really? Obama won’t be hard to beat because all the candidate needs to know his Obama’s vulnerabilities, trust he has a great many. It has taken 3 years for me to see it, hopefully, Obama opponent will too.

  • retire05

    bg, do you think you can present a cogent thought without linking back to your previous statements or linking to a YouTube video? Or would a rational, independent thought in your head die from loneliness?

    Poor girl, you really thought you had me on Sean Parnell. Too bad you jumped the gun and didn’t bother to check out the dates your Wiki article presented. It’s your own fault I handed you your ass. But then, that’s like shooting fish in a barrel anyway.

  • Patty

    In a proper presentation with directness and common sense the facts will be stated with precise accuracy. Obama will be squirming.

    Obama doesn’t want Americans to know the real facts. That our economy won’t recovery fully if then until 2018. So, he WILL IGNORE THE FACTS.

    NOT his opponent. The republican party has his record and it speaks to us with utter failure.

  • Patty

    Facts and they are alarming.

    How Long Until Unemployment Falls?

    Some unemployment will always exist in the economy. Even in good economic conditions it takes time for workers to move between expanding and contracting businesses. Economists estimate that the “natural rate of unemployment” in the U.S. economy is 5.2 percent.[2]

    The Heritage Foundation used data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics[3] to calculate how long, given certain levels of job creation, it would take unemployment to return to its natural rate.[4] These estimates are not a prediction of how quickly unemployment will fall; instead, they illustrate what different rates of monthly job creation imply about the speed of the labor market recovery.

    Even with strong economic growth, it will take time for unemployment to return to normal levels. If employers add an average of 260,000 net jobs per month—the rate the payroll survey showed during the late 1990s tech bubble[5]—then unemployment will not return to its natural rate until August 2014.

    If employers add 216,000 net new jobs per month—the rate the household survey showed in 1997, the year of the greatest job growth in the tech bubble[6]—unemployment will return to its natural rate in October 2015.

    Slow Recovery Likely

    These are optimistic assumptions. The late 1990s was a period of unusually strong economic growth. During the 2003–2007 expansion, employers added an average of 176,000 jobs per month.[7] If the recovery takes that more recent pace, unemployment will not return to normal rates until January 2018. Matching the rate of job growth in the recovery from the last recession would mean Americans would wait seven years for unemployment to recover.[8]

    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/high-unemployment-remains-in-a-weak-economic-recovery Graph also more on site.

    The challenge is to give the facts on how Obama’s ideas and downgrade and trillions in spending are part of the reason for slow recovery. Even I, see that if Obama is re-elected our turn is coming. We all will be hurting and that is a fact we nor the nominee can ignore.

  • Patty

    Because of Obama the next president face unrepresented challenges nearly incomparable to repair. But can you imagine the damage if he has 8 years.

    Because of his ego, I do believe and this is not that unimaginable to believe, Obama doesn’t want to be out done by his predecessor.

    I do believe that is a fact. Obama has emotional problems and he is spreading his emotions on all of us. This may be far fetched to some and ridiculous to others but there isn’t a better answer, unless someone else can give me one.

  • bg

    ++

    barring a very possible miracle of sorts, should the RNC carry through
    with it’s selection of Romney and nominate him, i implore you to just
    keep one pertinent factor in mind when pulling that lever for Romney..

    that way it will more or less give one a distorted sense comfort
    when he too fails to support ‘we the people’ v ‘they the elite’..

    ROMNEY IS A LIAR AND HE HAS PROVED HIMSELF TO BE A LIAR OVER AND
    OVER AGAIN.. NOTHING TO DO WITH GINGRICH, GINGRICH DIDN’T FORCE
    ROMNEY TO LIE.. ROMNEY NOT ONLY VOLUNTEERED TO LIE BUT SPENT 17
    MILLION IN FLORIDA ALONE BACKING UP HIS LIES..

    and we have to trust that man compared to the
    LIAR we know.. what a pathetically sick country
    we have become.. *sigh*

    ==

  • WillofLa

    As far as nothing mattering when it comes to the facts, we know that those little things really bother liberals. And when it comes to that, that is all we have to combat them with. But what is more important is showing the American people that we do have the facts and it will make a difference to them as far as who they pick. But how do we get the facts to the American people when the liberal media won’t put anything out other than what the Democrats tell them to. Boy, I’ll tell ya one thing, it’s good that I’m not a representative like some who don’t listen to the Pary bosses in the Congress or Senate, I’m not doing what they all have agreed to do, you know, RINO stuff because I’m going to do what the Constitution says do. They wouldn’t like me very much and that would be bad in that they wouldn’t give me a heads up if the Democrats were coming for me and try and stop me in some dark ally somewhere. I have much experience in this area of not going “with the flow”? No, I used to tell the people around me whenever they would say that crap, “Hey man, just go with the flow.”, or “”Don’t rock the boat.”. I’d tell them, “Oh don’t worry, I’m not going to rock the boat. I’m going to make so many waves I’m going to sink the damn boat!!” Then everybody would start moving away from me. Needless to say I didn’t have many friends who understood the reason to make waves and not go along with the status quo. I hated that crap when I used to work.

    There’s got to be some way to make the media take a step back. There’s got to be some way to make the liberal media take their hands off the reins for a second, that’s all we need. And then pitch that wagon over until it bites the dust in a crash!! Why can’t we threaten to take somebodies broadcast license away if they don’t run some article? Let’s us makes some threats for a change. Let’s us start some crap like the liberals do. Let’s us do some pay back for a change!

  • bg

    ++

    Orlando Florida – January 31, 2012

    Newt Gingrich: “We are Going to Contest Everyplace”

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  • reta.. er.. ire05 #109

    re But I am sure you have killed your fair share of brain cells

    Oh, yes, by the time I was seven I’d done killed more of my brain cells with soda pop and jelly beans than you have now. bg can defend herself without my help lest you forget she was doing it just fine long ere I found my way here..

    bg #113

    Yup I’m a he last I checked but an old he. I first voted in ’72, no not 1872. 🙂

  • bg

    ++

    S. Wolf #124 January 31, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    8)

    well, you know there’s no need for me to
    check, but think i’m a tad older than you..

    😀

    ==

  • bg #123

    A great speech by Mr. Gingrich..

    ‘GINGRICH: Now, you’ll notice that a number of folks are holding up a sign about 46 states to go.

    We did this in part for the elite media, because, you know, the same people who said I was dead in June and July and said I was gone after Iowa, who seemed totally quiet the night of the South Carolina victory, are now going to be back saying, “What’s he going to do? What’s he going to do? What’s he going to do?” So I just want to reassure them tonight: We are going to contest every place, and we are going to win, and we will be in Tampa as the nominee in August.

    Now, you might ask — in the face of a 5-1 onslaught — how can that be true? And I’ll give you the answer. It was stated at a historic moment in 1863, in dedicating our first national military cemetery by the president of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, who said we have government of the people, by the people, for the people. And we’re going to have people power defeat money power in the next six months.

    So let me talk briefly about what this is going to be about. This is the most important election of your lifetime.

    If — if Barack Obama gets re-elected, it will be a disaster for the United States of America. Make no bones about it. If he can have a record this bad, unemployment this bad, deficits this bad, policies this bad, gasoline prices this high, and still get re-elected, you can’t imagine how radical he’ll be in his second term.

    So designing and putting together a people’s campaign, not a Republican campaign, not an establishment campaign, not a Wall Street- funded campaign, a people’s campaign, and saying to every American of every background and every ethnic group and every community: We have a better future for you and your family. It’s a future of jobs, it’s a future of lower gasoline prices, it’s a future of a balanced budget, it’s a future of a smaller Washington, it’s a future of more power back home to you and your family and your neighborhood. This is a future we ask you to join us in imposing on the establishment in Washington and imposing it on both parties.

    My commitment is to unleash the spirit of the American people, to find new and innovative and positive things, to do them seven days a week, to do them relentlessly, to do them without stop, to make sure that we have fundamentally gotten America back on the right track.

    And I pledge to each and every one of you personally: If you will reach out across the country, if you will use Facebook and YouTube and Twitter and phone calls and even visits, if you will tell all of your friends in the other 46 states that there is a chance to nominate a conservative who knows what he’s doing, who has done it before, and who has the courage and determination to get it done, I promise you that if I become your president, I pledge to you my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor. This is about America.’

    TRANSCRIPT: Newt Gingrich’s Speech Following Second Place Finish in Florida Primary

    Romney? Romney who? Go Newt.

  • bg #125

    A tad, I’ll grant you that. 🙂

  • wanumba

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    “Barack Obama is a man whose only claim to fame was having “written” two memoirs before the age of 40. Facts played no role at all. Not to Democrat voters when they picked him over the actually qualified Hillary, and not when the nation’s voters elected him over the actually qualified John McCain. So facts don’t matter. Not in the public’s mind, and not when the media is a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.”

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    With all due respect, Hillary isn’t qualified for anything. Her resume was “SPOUSE of POTUS.”

    Her Sec State tenure has been a Red Eye flight around the world.

    The ONLY candidate with executive experience in that election was Sarah Palin. It was two junior senators, one plagerizing senator and one two-faced senator.

    Palin’s absence from this piece is thus noticeable.

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