Utility Company Turns Off Power To Couple Who Removed Their Smart Meter
Posted by Gateway Guest Blogger on Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 4:40 PM
Posted By The P/Oed Patriot
Through Demand Response technology and Real Time Pricing, the Smart Grid threatens to give the utility company, and the government, the ability to not only track your movements through your energy usage, but give them power over that usage as well.
But there are those that are fighting back against this encroachment of Big Government and Big Business into their private lives…. and losing.
According to an article on Stop Smart meters.org a couple in California removed the Smart Meter from their home, only to have the utility company, PG&E, turn off their power:
“Monise and Peter Sheehan made every effort to get PG&E to work with them to eliminate the terrible ringing that had plagued their house ever since the meter went in. PG&E refused to fix the problem, and the Sheehans took reasonable action to replace their meter with an accurate analog model. They got home last night and their home was dark and cold.”
The couple was interviewed by their local news station, KION Fox 35. Mr. Sheehann says they were only trying to protect themselves:
“It’s Freezing, I have to spend the night in a cold house. I don’t think it’s right or fair. We have done nothing wrong. All we did was try to protect ourselves.”
You can see that video Here.
Mr. Sheehan is apart of a growing movement that is battling against Smart Meters and the violation of privacy, and the possible danger to individual health, that they represent. But this is a battle that must be won.
Because if a person is not safe from ‘prying eyes’ and unwanted manipulation in their own home..
Then where are they safe?
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Stop The Meter commented:
If you read the article on the website and listen to the video, it would seem that PG&E has an opt out plan but have refused to put these people on it or given them the run around at least. So I guess they got desperate, if the Utility won’t work with you, then all that is left is to take matters into your own hands. Who wouldn’t do the same?
vangrungy commented:
what contract? smart meters did not require a signature.. they were installed without a consent agreement..
(if I’m wrong factually, tell me, otherwise the smart meters are impositions)
tahDeetz commented:
Hey Eubulides,
Unfortunately for the Sheehans, there is no competition for PG&E in California.
Sooooo, there’s that.
tD
Gregor commented:
Eubulides, are you really that stupid or just a normal liberal who tends to make yourself look stupid by arguing no matter how wrong you are? You do know what a “contract” is, don’t you?
Smart Meters are not installed in response to a “contract.” They are forced upon you, regardless of your wishes. There is no … “two way agreement.”
But I suspect you already know this.
marjorie commented:
I goyt stuck with one of those “smart” meters in an old apartment of mine. It was a small two bedroom apartment. This so called :smart” meter when read claimed I used 5010 kilowatt hrs . No way possible
WillofLa commented:
A few weeks ago, and I think it was this site where I saw the article, or it may have been somewhere else, there was a letter that was drawn up by a attorney that you could copy and send to your local power company that said you did not give the power company permission to install a smart meter on your house. The Federal program right now is voluntary. You can elect to have one, or not, but you have to notify the power company in writing that you don’t. You cannot wait until it’s installed and then try to get the power company to take it off. The program doesn’t work that way.
Right now the government isn’t trying to outright pry on you, it’s giving the naive a opportunity to save the planet by having their power monitored by the power company to see if they are using their power efficiently. That’s the lie that these power companies who join in on the program that the government is offering. Right now it’s voluntary for everyone concerned as to whether they want to install it, on the part of the power companies, and to accept having it installed by the consumer, on the part of the individual who doesn’t want the government prying into what they are doing in their house. This meter can be monitored and governed by the power company and it can be turned down by the power company if they determine you are using to much power, to do whatever it is that you are doing. They have computers that can monitor the power surge like as in you are using a power saw, or a box fan. They can tell by several ways that you may not be aware of. I can’t tell you all the details but there is enough on the internet about these meters for you to learn what they do.
Try to find this letter you can send to your power company. But I think it’s only good if you learn that you particular company is about to install them. I know for a fact that they can’t just show up one day and take your old meter off the house and put this one on. They could get sued for violating your privacy due to the fact that they would have to prove in court that the meter doesn’t do what the customer is claiming it does, which it does do, it spies on your usage and everything about it.
Protect yourself from this New World Order device, and that’s what it is. In order for the powers that be to control you there are some things they must have full control over. One of course is your health care, the other is your energy usage, fully, all energy, gasoline to electricity, from cell phone to the clothes you buy, from the food you feed your kids in like the lunches you send to school with them, to how long you are on your computer, from how long you stand in the shower, to how many times you flush your toilet!
Do you want that? I don’t and this smart meter is one of the first steps. It will all be promoted for “safety, security, efficientcy. And what did Ben Franklin say? “If you give up your freedom for security, you will have neither!!”
Texas_Treeroach commented:
In this post and others on GP, Eubulides (#1) continues to be the voice of the New Order.
Pay attention to what he has to say.
It’s coming.
Johnny "Stanford" Davis commented:
Texas Traitor #8 doesn’t support capitalism or contracts. He agrees with Occupy Wall Street that crackheads and bums deserve everyone else to be their slaves and give them free stuff.
Johnny "Stanford" Davis commented:
Hey #4 and #3… A smart reader just reads how much energy you use. You didn’t mention why it would cause any problems.
Craig commented:
True cost of smart meters might include privacy and health (Video)
http://digitaljournal.com/article/296780
NeoKong commented:
Prediction:
They will put the damn meter back on their house and like it or else they live in the stone age.
vangrungy commented:
Why don’t individuals own their power meters?
what’s the difference between the corporation owning it and the individual owning it?
If the individual owned their meter, the same regulations and inspections would still apply, but there would be no question about individual choice when it comes to the TYPE of meter being used..
the government sides with fascism when it allows the power company to impose the style of meter affixed to your domicile..
jharp commented:
Hmmm. You guys don’t want the….the…the government to help?
Hilarious. Who you gonna call?
Fen commented:
This is what Tar & Feathers is for.
KR commented:
Here in San Diego County, SDG&E has installed smart meters (elect. & gas) on our home. Although we are not billed directly we do pay for them through our monthly bills over time. I believe SDG&E views the meters as their property, but the users pay the expense.
tahDeetz commented:
All of a sudden, this prog Eubulides, thinks PG&E is all bunnies & puppies.
#Change.
PG&E is quasi-government entity enjoying a utility MONOPOLY in California.
Hey, here’s another prog pushing a monopolistic corporation.
Whooda Thunkit?!
IOW, the Sheehan’s are denied the CHOICE of choosing another electric utility.
tD
mack commented:
The couple should have called police and filed a report, then call their district and state reps to complain, then call a lawyer. Make the utility company cite the state or federal statute that mandates a smart meter, or that says power co can deny power to people with analog meters. This all assumes they were current on their bill and followed the proper legal procedures for removing the smart meter.
DavidD commented:
“Because if a person is not safe from ‘prying eyes’ and unwanted manipulation in their own home..
Then where are they safe?”
They’re safe in what USED to be the constitutional republic of the United States–and will be again, once BHO and his cronies are run out of office.
Molon Labe commented:
#19 & 20
Great comments. They stand in stark contrast to those of You Biddy, the Stalinist worshipper of all things the State controls.
Molon Labe commented:
#11
You Biddy confirms for us he is that or aspires to be that lowest form of life, a lawyer. I’d give odds he can’t pass the bar. I predict a long and unsuccessful career as a paralegal at a third rate ambulance chasing firm. As for your knowledge of contracts, I know more about quantum physics than you do the law.
Bill commented:
Do any of you know what their original contract said? It’s possible (and likely) that it allowed for the imposition of the Smart Meter. I’m not taking sides in this debate, but find it hilarious how people are pretending to know what is/isn’t in the contract.
That part isn’t a conservative/liberal debate — it’s a rule of law debate.
JA commented:
I’ve been receiving “report cards” about my energy use, comparing my usage to my neighbors’ usage, trying to guilt me into using less energy. What the hell? Why should they care if I’m paying for it?
In Illinois, we have toll transponders, which allow you to drive through the tolling areas without having to stop and save 1/2 the price of the toll. I have heard that soon, you will be issued tickets based on the time it took you to travel from one toll booth to the next one. If you get there too fast, you were speeding and you’ll be fined. Like sheep, we allow ourselves to fall into the government’s trap – for expediency and for economy. But are we really just giving away our freedom instead?
Capt.America commented:
ATTENTION: Reasonable Thinking People
I am a supervisor in one of the three large electrical utilities in California. Please, do not fall into the trap and sound like all of the liberals we oppose. I am an employee who works with SmartMeters every day on the job, and I’ve had to deal with people who “oppose them”. Most of these people are tin-foil hat folks that are honestly, full of hate or have a beef, or are stealing power.
First, the SmartMeter operates with RF energy less than the average cell phone. Second, the SmartMeter operates approximately 90 seconds in a 24 hour period – that means less RF energy than a being on your cell phone for 1.5 minutes. Third, the idea that the government tracks when you are away and when you are home using your energy bill is ludicrous on it’s face given the variations on how people use their appliances and when.
Lastly, you sign a contract with your power company that allows them to put whatever meter they want to on your home and you must provide their employees safe access to the meter. If you fail to do either of these things, the company can in turn not provide you power.
Please, be sensible about this. As conservatives and right thinking Americans let’s not talk and act like our liberal opponents. Get the facts, get educated. Best to all!
jharp commented:
#19 December 13, 2011 at 6:23 pm
mack commented:
“The couple should have called police and filed a report, then call their district and state reps to complain,”
Hmmm. Government bad. Can’t do anything right. Must be stopped.
Until conservatives need them. Then government is good.
Hilarious.
tahDeetz commented:
One question…
Do the Shaheen’s have the choice of another electricity utility?
If not, all other arguments are moot.
tD
jharp commented:
#27 December 13, 2011 at 7:09 pm
tahDeetz commented:
One question…
Do the Shaheen’s have the choice of another electricity utility?
Can’t speak for the Shaheens but where I live the answer is no. I am served by a monopoly. And my high school economics teacher was right. Monopolies do bad things to consumers.
It’s kinda sorta why we formed governments way back when. To protect ourselves from monopolies.
Pretty damn funny seeing you right wingers whining about a big evil business hurting you and wanting the big evil government to save you.
Stop the Meters commented:
Capt America you have no idea what you are talking about. The first six standards for the Smart Grid have already been agreed on by the Industry and the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Among those are the standards for the information to be collected through the Smart Grid. That information includes tracking your CO2 production, your Ice Cube Production (Because Ice Cube Makers use a ton of energy) Your TV, Internet and Water use including hot an cold water and your trash. The document that contains this information is called Priority Action Plan 10 or PAP-10. This will all be possible through Demand Response Appliances, which once installed, will transmit the time, length and function of each appliance. It will also allow the consumer to program the appliance to run at off peak times (Because your electricity price will vary by the hour if not the minute based upon demand, its known as real time pricing.) but it will also allow the utility to control those same appliances. Under the Smart Grid EVs (electric Vehicles) are even considered demand Response Appliances. This is not tin foil hat theories, you just are too arrogant to see what is going to happen. Look it up and educate your self….
jharp commented:
Stop the Meters commented
So why not simply buy your own generator and quit doing business with your local utility?
How about that? Put your money where your mouth is.
Or would you rather rely on the nanny state to protect you from big bad mean monopolies?
Militant Conservative commented:
#1 December 13, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Eubulides commented:
Can’t Understand Normal Thinking
So intelligent but no sense of morality in you.
Yup, you a godless lawyer.
Stop the Meters commented:
No Jharp it boils down to a right to privacy in your own home. The utility company does not have the right to collect this information. They know this, in the document that list the comments from the 300 + utilities of the North American Energy Standards Board (NAESB) who wrote PAP-10 they discuss this very fact. They know they have to somehow get you to sign something, or as Congress was trying to do by creating a law, or press a button online that says you accept, which will allow them to collect all of this personal information on you. What is happening is that this is all under the table or hidden in thousands of pages of documents so that you have no idea what is going on.
What the Government should do is enforce my right to privacy instead of working hand and hand with the utilities in trying to destroy it.
Jhand get your head out of your rear end and look it up instead of trying to come up with some pathetic witty comment that just make you look dumber than you already do…twit.
jharp commented:
“No Jharp it boils down to a right to privacy in your own home. The utility company does not have the right to collect this information.”
No one is forcing you to do business with the utility company. Buy yourself a generator and tell them to get their meters off of your property and quit yer whining. And quit relying on the nanny state to watch out for you. Be a man. Take responsibility.
Molon Labe commented:
#25
These meters are the result of a decision by the Claifornia legislature. Why are utilities gathering individual power usage data? How does it aid them? Why do these meters have the ability to regulate power consumption? This is BS and I am sure there will be a large scale incidence of vandalism akin to traffic cameras. I guess the utilties there are going to have to have their crews working full time to repauir these meters. So many vandals.
Stop the Meters commented:
Jharp no one is forcing you to be a jerk… but voila your still doing it.
I shouldn’t have to go buy a generator to protect my rights should I?
Small Constitutional Government does not mean NO GOVERNMENT and there is a time when a Constitutional Government has to protect those rights. Or do you just believe that if big business or big government trample your rights you solve it by running away with your tail between your legs?
If you would bother to follow the link in the article to Stop Smart Meters.org you will find they are LEFT WINGERS who support the Occupy movement but Surprise! They are against the Smart grid and Smart meters in particular for the same reasons I am.
Jharp thank you for proving what we already know, you like to argue for the sake of the argument because you think you are being cute when you try to ridicule what you consider ‘Right Wingers’.
Hate is blind and ignorant no matter what the object of the hate is….and you are a perfect example of hateful ignorance…
Greg Zotta commented:
Is America getting close to being a Police State? Everyday, the American People are being attacked by all sides limiting our freedom. There are many things on the horizon that our Government wants to impose on the People in order to CONTROL THEM.
The Smart Grid will be used to CONTROL your thermostat and appliances. Obamacare will CONTROL your lifestyle, what you do and what you eat. Starting in 2011, all new cars (eventually all cars) will be mandated to have in them the “black box” to CONTROL your freedom of movement. It will show where you go, your speed, whether you are wearing your seatbelt etc.
The Indiana Supreme Court ruled in a 3-2 decision the following: “In sum, we hold that in Indiana the right to reasonably resist an unlawful police entry into a home is no longer recognized under Indiana law.” Indiana Supreme Court Justice Steven David said, “We believe however that a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence. Nowadays, an aggrieved arrestee has means unavailable at common law for redress against unlawful police action. Further, we note that a warrant is not necessary for every entry into a home. For example, officers may enter the home if they are in ―hot pursuit of the arrestee or if exigent circumstances justified the entry.”
Some people may have heard about the FEMA Camps meant to round up the People around the country. Officials call the controversy about them “Conspiracy Theories;” something that will never happen. Nevertheless, it did. The United States had internment camps in the past. Today, Senator John McCain, along with several other Senators is sponsoring The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081. The bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”
Who would be considered an enemy belligerent? Could an enemy belligerent be a Tea Party Protester? Possibly; because in April 2010 the Government did a security exercise at Fort Knox and sent out the following message regarding it: “Friday, 23 April 2010, and identifies the terrorist threat adversaries as “Local Militia Groups / Anti-Government Protesters / TEA Party.”
Democrat Senator Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey sponsored Senate Bill 34 Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2011. It gives the Attorney General, currently the biased Eric Holder the authority to deny the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to individuals whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities. Who in Eric Holder’s mind may these people be? Could it be Tea Party Patriots?
In the 2008 Presidential election the Obama Regime set up “Truth Squads,” made up of people in POWER, like prosecutors and sheriffs to intimidate people from using their First Amendment right of Free Speech to criticize the candidacy of Barack Hussein Obama. During that election cycle the police were also given a directive to take caution when stopping vehicles displaying the Gadsden Flag, Tea Party stickers, or Ron Paul stickers. Now in 2011, the Obama Regime has a “Truth Czar,” who calls himself the terminator. His job will be to scour the internet and the Media looking for people criticizing Obama. When he finds them will they be considered “enemy belligerents?”
More and more everyday American citizens are loosing their freedoms and most of them do not even know it. Wake up America!
The Senate just passed on a vote of 93 to 7 SB 1867, which give the Government the power of indefinite detention against American citizens for perceived offenses. Sounds like some of the things this country fought a revolutionary war over.
The Founding Fathers gave many reasons for declaring their independence from King George and Great Britain. Some of them are the following: For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefit of trial by jury. For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses. He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection, and waging war against us. The Declaration of Independence also states:
…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,…
…when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security…
Molon Labe commented:
#28 & 29
JHarp you are a moron of the fiurst degree. Who made the utilities a monopoly? Is your education so bad you do not understand this. Are you so stupid that you do not realize the government regulates the pricing power of the utilities? Are you so dull that you don’t understand that the government hates competition and will do anything it can to stop it?
What a cretin. Shouldn’t you be posting at the DU or Kos Kiddies where progressives gather to whine?
Molon Labe commented:
#37
Great post. Makes JHarp, You Biddy and JS Davis sound like the Marxists they are. Keep it up.
Patty commented:
Communism has arrive and it is alive and well. This among many reasons to get Obama and the liberals sent packing come Nov. 2012. Can’t wait, they think that this is their time as Obama is the Socialist in Charge and is spreading the wealth. Sounds horrible but I guarantee that their is nothing this couple can do to stop it.
Patty commented:
Here I believe you have to sign up for these meters. They tweak your meter to turn down slightly your usage so they say to give you a reduction on your monthly bill. We are taking pictures of our meter to make sure nothing is done to it. I would suggest that you do too.
And if the Utility company sends you are letter about this, don’t sign or accept anything. Read carefully.
Blacque Jacques Shellacque commented:
They’re safe in what USED to be the constitutional republic of the United States–and will be again, once BHO and his cronies are run out of office.
That’s not going to be of much help to California for two reasons: 1) Leftists are solidly in charge, and the only way they might be dislodged is a spectacular fall. 2) The electorate here (yours truly excluded) inexplicably keeps on voting for the same kind of people that set the stage for the current predicament.
Molon Labe commented:
Someone tell me how the government can mandate these meters. First they gave us toilets that don’t work, then they took away my light bulbs and replaced them with poisioned ones and now they wish to control my electricial use. I lived overseas for many years and this is far worse than most police states. I can only hope when the revolution comes it adheres to the principles a certain Italian laid down centuries ago.
Patty commented:
If there is only one electric company (monopoly) in your area you will abide by their rules. These families who are protesting have really one option. Fans in the summer manually controlled and fire in the winter. Candles for lighting, back to the Western times, I suppose.
This is what communism is all about. Isn’t it? No more freedoms and you do as I say, not as I do.
As I see it the damage is done, meters are changed and who will pay to change them back.
dunce commented:
These meters were designed not to simply read the amount of electricity you have used but to control how much you use. When there is more demand than than they can generate they will cut the power power to some users.They can do this without the smart meters but they have to cut the power to areas ,not individuals. One of obama chief advisers is a SCE former CEO Does anybody believe that this administration would not use voter registration in choosing who to shut off during shortages or that political enemies would not suffer outages at critical times.
Patty commented:
Molon Labe
What about Mandated health care. And the cars we drive, water supplies, solar power. And someone said to paint roofs white, they can and will mandate everything. This is why 61% of Americans a scared of big government. Poll was out today. Who in America would want more, welfare, free housing folks, food stamp recipients. And why is this happening with meters, so Obama can give more to those who don’t pay taxes.
There is less money for the poor, not enough in budget. So, he has to take from those who work hard and love their cozy little homes. He doesn’t care, he has more than many.
Little dictator.
jharp commented:
#36 December 13, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Stop the Meters commented:
“Jharp no one is forcing you to be a jerk… but voila your still doing it.
I shouldn’t have to go buy a generator to protect my rights should I? ”
No. You shouldn’t. And no one is forcing you to and that is a beautiful thing. This country was founded without electric utilities and it is high time we got back what our founders intended.
Patty commented:
dunce
Big Brother sorta, give to your friends and take from your enemies? Hummm, but who knows, we must get rid of the Socialist come November. Someone has to be better than all of this.
Too many people, get rid of them, abortions, too many cars get rid of them, electric. Now, there is the answer: OBAMA WANTS TO STORE UP ENERGY FOR HIS ELECTRIC CAR COMPANIES.
jharp commented:
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#38 December 13, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Molon Labe commented:
#28 & 29
“JHarp you are a moron of the fiurst degree. Who made the utilities a monopoly? Is your education so bad you do not understand this. Are you so stupid that you do not realize the government regulates the pricing power of the utilities?”
Let me try here. God made the utilities and God made them monopolies? Or maybe it is because of the enormous start up costs? And yes I know the government you hate regulates the utilities. So you have 2 choices. Make your own electricity and shut up. Or rely on the nanny state to protect you form the big mean monopoly.
Just wondering. Do you blockheads hold the same animosity toward the other monopolies that rule your life?
Capt.America commented:
@Stop The Meters
I find it kind of funny that you tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about yet you say nothing to refute what I said. SmartMeters is my business, and I fully understand them from conception to installation. I know what they are capable of, how they are used, and what they will be used for in the future.
If the government, as you are suggesting, has the ability to turn off the power to your home, what makes you think they are going to care about turning off your coffee maker? Please, be reasonable.
The people who are afraid of this technology are simply uneducated about the reality of the SmartGrid and the SmartMeter. They are the same people who said the internet was going to kill us all and that the world was flat.
There are FAR more dangerous things that big brother is out there doing to take away your liberty than to know when you wash your clothes.
Kermit the Frog commented:
The only reason this is an issue is that the watermelons are making it impossible for utilities to provide cheap energy. Left to their own, power companies would prefer to expand capacity and sell you as much juice as you want.
As it is, to avoid brownouts and the third-world status it exposes, the Big Lie is created to regulate consumption and force certain appliances to only work off-peak (such as water heaters).
jharp commented:
Kermit the Frog commented:
“The only reason this is an issue is that the watermelons are making it impossible for utilities to provide cheap energy. Left to their own, power companies would prefer to expand capacity and sell you as much juice as you want.”
And the the highest possible price. And if they end up owning your home because you can’t pay your bill that just adds to their profits. And that college education for the kids….. well everyone knows the job creating utilities need your college savings to create more jobs. Get the government out of the way. They are only impeding utility company profits.
Stop the Meters commented:
Ironically Capt America you haven’t said anything to refute what I said.
If a quasi government owned utility can, through demand response appliances, know when you come home, what appliance you use and when you use it, become familiar with your personal habits, like when you use your hot tub and even have the power to control these appliances without your permission I would say that is a HUGE deal. You seem ok with it because it puts food on your table… so no wonder you would come on here and try to call people like me, crazy. I have nothing to lose, you on the other hand have everything to lose.
First the reason they want to have control of your appliances as well as your EV originally was because they wanted a Carbon Credit program. If you do not have enough Carbon Credits then you don’t get to make your coffee. But since that was shot down in Congress there is a new plan called Renewable Energy Credits. At the moment this is only in some states on a voluntary basis, but once Demand Response Technology and the Smart Grid are complete they have every intention of making it mandatory. If they can Mandate your health care they can Mandate Renewable Energy Credits in order to help control your CO2 output. This is all possible because the EPA now has the power tor REGULATE Carbon… see how this all falls into place yet? Or are th dollar signs blinding you to what the hell is going on?
Did you miss the article on here that says the Obama can’t reach his Green House Gas Reduction Goals without the Smart Grid? It was in an NIST Document.. you know that agency connected to the Executive Branch.
Look up The Apollo Alliance New Apollo Program. This is the blueprint that they are following and which the Smart Grid plays a central part.
Capt America the Smart Grid maybe your business, but so is propaganda in order for you to keep your job.
Stop the Meters commented:
Capt America…
Add on top of that the IRS, through the Smart Grid will be able to tell EVERYTHING you have plugged into a wall outlet. So… lets say you own alot more TVs Computers, Hot Tubs, EV’ s than your salary allows you dont think the IRS is going to come knocking on your door and wonder why you live beyond your means? Hell police will be able to tell if you have grow lamps in your home for growing pot….without ever stepping foot inside. Somehow this is all good? Really?
You can’t see a HUGE Problem with this?
tahDeetz commented:
Hey jfart,
PG&E is a monopoly because the government of California allows it. California wants it that way so that PG&E meters are mandatory for all serfs, errrr, customers.
tD
Stop the Meters commented:
To give a more clear answer Capt the Smart Grid is all about forced energy Conservation through Demand Response and Higher Prices in order to reduce Green House Gases. In The Government, in order to get the utilities on board, they told them that they will have the chance to charge for electricity etc based upon demand, which means they make MORE MONEY. So in other words people like you are selling the consumers’ right to privacy out for a profit. Heck you may even believe in Global Warming and think your saving the planet… any other reason given by people like you is propaganda that is meant to make people fell good about giving up their rights. Period. Is that clear enough?
Molon Labe commented:
#46
Patty I’m with you. Our freedoms are being stolen from us day by day. This is not the American I knew or my parents knew. It is closer to some monster-mutant from Eastern Europe. Keep it up and don’t let the trolls get away with their lies. Resist! Get people in your area out to vote. Get your family out. Get everyone out to destroy these Marxists.
Stop the Meters commented:
Forgive the typos.. my fingers can’t keep up with my thoughts. Would fix the mistakes if I could, but you get the gist of it.
Molon Labe commented:
#47
JHARP I agree with you for once. Our founding fathers at Salem burned people like you. Time to start doing the same to the ignorant, mentally defective and socially abnormal who preach destructive moral doctrines. Marxists have no placein this nation. Have you considered somewhere more to your liking like Cuba or Somilia?
Can you demonstrate your ignorance for us again about the glories of a government mandated program administered by their monopoly allies? This is what were up against folks, the stupid, the ill educated, the arrogant who wallow in their self esteem and ignorance.
Molon Labe commented:
JFART:
Are you really this stupid or do you have to work at it?
jharp commented:
tahDeetz commented:
“Hey jfart,
PG&E is a monopoly because the government of California allows it.”
What are you? In the 7th grade? Making fart jokes? Give me a break.
You’re not saying the government of California should step in and keep the job creating utilities from their God given right to be a monopoly are you?
There is no law against starting your own utility in California. Go down to the hardware, buy yourself a generator and you’re in business. Capitalism rules!
And for the other dumb ass who referred to it. P G & E is owned by it’s shareholders. If you don’t like their behaviour become a shareholder. Then you get a vote. Until then. Quit yer whining.
You are standing in the way of profits.
Ben Pennington commented:
Ok, I have worked for my local power company for just a little over 20 years and our power systems just installed these smart meters on most of the homes in our town. Why do you think that power companies are installing these meters all across the country? It’s a matter of cost and it’s also a matter of convenience and these meters also give the customers a way to look at their own usage on a day to day basis.
With these new meters you don’t have to send out a fleet of personnel to read your electric and water meters every month. Just think of all the money saved on gas and fewer people are required to be in charge of reading these meters.
There are also many people who do not pay their bill on time every month which required a power company employee to drive to the non-paying customer’s location and manually cut off the electricity and when the customer decided to pay their bill someone had to be dispatched to drive back to the customer’s location to turn the electricity back on.
Many of the new smart meters can be turned off and on remotely which again saves man hours and wear and tear on vehicles. Just tonight a few minutes until 8 pm a non-paying customer decided that they wanted to pay their bill so I get called to drive out to their house and turn their electricity back on. If this had been a regular situation with a “Smart Meter” I would not have had to of driven the 5+ miles to their house to perform this task. I’m just glad it was only 5 miles away instead of 15+ miles like it could have been.
I don’t know why people get all kooky about having their electric and water meters remotely read from the office. I suppose it’s because you have a few conspiracy nuts dreaming up things to be afraid of. Why should anyone care that their electricity usage is collected? It’s been collected on a monthly basis for 100 years now just like your telephone usage and propane and natural gas usage and pretty much every other service that you pay for.
The company I work for is working on making it possible for every customer to read their own electric and water usage on a daily basis. I don’t particularly care to see mine. I’m just happy to pay my bill when it comes in the mail and no we don’t get any discount.
jharp commented:
#59 December 13, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Molon Labe commented:
“#47
JHARP I agree with you for once. Our founding fathers at Salem burned people like you. Time to start doing the same to the ignorant, mentally defective and socially abnormal who preach destructive moral doctrines. Marxists have no placein this nation.”
I’m sorry. It is YOU who is whining about utility profits and YOU who is trying to get the heavy hand of government out of the utilities profits.
Seriously. Go buy yourself a generator and quit whining about the government not coddling you.
Molon Labe commented:
#50
Capt Disaster:
BS. Try telling us why these meters need to tell the utilities what appliances we are using or why they can control useage levels? But you can’t respond because you are just another hand puppet. There is no reason for these meters which is why they do not exist outside of California. Isn’t that starnge? I mean they being so harmless and all and sooo effective. Wonder why First Energy, PP&L, FPL, SE Energy, Con Edison, Boston Ed, haven’t picked these up.
Well Marxists haven’t been able to extend their tenacles this far yet. And they certainly won’t make it into Texas as long as true Texans are alive. It takes a heap of queers and transgendered types and they’ve all gone to Claifornia, the land of fruits and nuts and soon to be a colony of Mexico. They deserve you.
Evil Otto commented:
It’s kinda sorta why we formed governments way back when. To protect ourselves from monopolies.
Really? That’s why you think we formed governments, to protect ourselves from monopolies? Mind if I ask for some documentation on that one?
Molon Labe commented:
#61
JFART
Indeed you are a dullard contradicting yourself throughout your comments. Well an inability to made a consistent coherent argument is a sign of brain damage. Tell us do you really get frsutrated having to chew your restraints every morning? Such arrogance coupled with ignorance is usually found only among lawyers, and cab drivers. I doubt your appearance would let you be a lawyer and I’m sure your personal hygiene would prevent you from earning a living driving a cab.
You must be an English teacher!
Gateway Guest Blogger commented:
After reading these comments it appears I am going to have to prove that the Smart Grid “Conspiracy” is actually not a conspiracy.
Starting tomorrow I will be releasing an article, or articles over several days depending on how much detail is needed, showing the actual information that will be collected through the Smart Grid. In the article I will have screen shots and links to the actual documents that will prove without a doubt that the Smart Grid is apart of a larger plan to control your Carbon Footprint or at the very least a large threat to your privacy.
I didn’t think I would have to do it, but after reading all of these comments it’s obvious it’s needed.
The P/Oed Patriot
gus commented:
Imagine EUBLITARD our LIBTARD buddy, when the first black mother of 7, violates her contractual agreement to PAY her BILL and gets her power shut off.
I’ll wait.
jharp commented:
#65 December 13, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Evil Otto commented:
It’s kinda sorta why we formed governments way back when. To protect ourselves from monopolies.
Really? That’s why you think we formed governments, to protect ourselves from monopolies? Mind if I ask for some documentation on that one?
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Yes that is a key reason. And don’t mind at all if you ask. However you can do your own homework. And you know as well as I that that is an critical role of government.
Do you mind if I ask just who do you think it is that should protect consumers from monopolies? Jackass.
God you people are stupid.
jharp commented:
#66 December 13, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Molon Labe commented:
#61
JFART
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Grow up jackass. Fart jokes went out of fashion in the 6th grade.
God you people are stupid.
randyinrocklin commented:
Capt America,
I am a conservative and I agree with your assessment regarding the smart meters. They have “fine tuned” their rate schedule to compensate for extraordinary demand. We have to educate the people on how energy is produced and distributed to the public. They don’t realize when they turn on their air conditioners when everybody else turning on their a/c’s on hot days they spiking demand, but the enviro’s are stopping energy production at ever level and every step of he way. We need to get government out of the way and let the “free spirit” of our people to produce the things that make us great. We are a proud nation and we should repudiate the policies of Obama.
gus commented:
Randy, Many many many restrictions on my LIBERTY are as a result of the GLOBAL WARMING SCAM. It’s a chain of lies and Govt. intrusion. Everything from the amount of water I can use in my toilet to the light bulbs I can use.
WHERE, my friend, DOES IT STOP???
gus commented:
Randy, the GOVT (Obama’s idiots) created CASH FOR CLUNKERS. Why? Global Warming, amongst other reasons. They DESTROYED a viable car that a poor poor poooooor person, could have bought they gave up to $4500 for the car they destroyed. And the after market PARTS INDUSTRY suffered. Along the way, the guy who got $4500, may have bought a $15000 car and owed $10500 on it.
Let’s do the math.
$24,000 = cost of the Government program @ car.
$10,500 = remaining cost to consumer for $15.000 car.
total cost per $15,000 car?
$34,500. Plus the used car.
Get the picture?
Nick commented:
This is a complete non-issue. Don’t remove your meter and your power will not be turned off. It is not some government conspiracy. Energy efficiency is something all Americans have to think about when our systems are pushed to the max in various parts of the country. Its not about the boogey man trying to spy on you as a private citizen. It appears to me that a lot of people are scared of their own shadows.
BTW, someone said above that they are only used in California. I have one in NC. Perfectly fine with it. No big deal. If they want to know when watching TV then fine. Its not like with Netflix, cable, etc they don’t know what I watch already as a record is kept.
One question to all of you. If you are so concerned about “the man” knowing what power you use then what are you doing on the internet since the internet is something that has unlimited tracking ability. Every move you make is recorded by IP Addresses on various website tracking tools. You are so concerned about energy efficiency, big business, and big government over a power meter, but right now sitting on a computer….hmmmm…logic isn’t a strong point is it?
Nick commented:
#74 if you can’t see that global warming is real then there is no hope for you. I know this is unpopular among conservatives, but the truth is the truth. Even conservative scientist are backing the data now.
Rock commented:
jharp,
It’s kinda sorta why we formed governments way back when. To protect ourselves from monopolies.
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And here I was under the impression the Boston Tea Party and resulting history was about unreasonable taxes by a all powerful government. But then I enjoyed an education not influenced by socialist trained hacks.
Rock commented:
Nick #75,
74 if you can’t see that global warming is real,
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Yet just today scientist admit they can’t predict hurricanes for a given year, and yet we are suppose to believe they have their fingers on the pulse of the world for the next 100 years. More than likely global warming (excuse me global change,must be PC in these matters) support pays better than opposition to said lie. The world changes it always has and always will and little man does will alter that much, just some folks look to get rich perpetrating the hoax. Al Gore is a snake oil salesman on a global scale.
jharp commented:
#76 December 13, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Rock commented:
“And here I was under the impression the Boston Tea Party and resulting history was about unreasonable taxes by a all powerful government. But then I enjoyed an education not influenced by socialist trained hacks.”
Wrong again dumb ass. The Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation. Where did you go to school again son?
God you people are stupid.
Rock commented:
Name calling over a play on words really. Taxation without representation is unreasonable, but as a good little elitist you already knew that. PS those Alinsky Rules for radicals have been overused, so please stop with the childish name calling, it only identifies you for what you are.
jharp commented:
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#79 December 14, 2011 at 12:26 am
Rock commented:
“but as a good little elitist you already knew that. PS those Alinsky Rules for radicals have been overused, so please stop with the childish name calling”
Hmmmm. Childish name calling? Really? Like calling someone an elitist?
God you people are stupid.
Rock commented:
Stupid, might be someone coming to a site, and trying win converts over with name calling and insults.
By the way, glad you acknowledged ‘way back when’ was over government taxation and not monopolization by industry.
And lastly are you trying to tell me elitist are not proud to be elitist?
Rock commented:
A tad premature there, but hey whatever blows wind up your skirt.
Mr. Widemouth commented:
Smart Meters – something to be afraid of? http://www.squidoo.com/beware-of-smart-meters
Molon Labe commented:
#79
JFART
You are really stupid, no retarded. Stupid implies a lack of knowledge but its clear that you lack the necessary attributes to think. What a clown you are, where did you go to school Romper Room? Seldom have I seen such an example of ad hominem name calling, intellectual and moral bankruptcy. You are the three year old who brays and screams because everyone ignores his playing in his own vomit. What an go you must have. It must bend light and have its own gravitational field.
Worry not little man. As you can witness from the comments here the readers recognize you for the failure you are. A burger flipper who just didn’t make it and never will. A loser living in a cheap rented room without any prospects. You realize of course that being singularly stupid, historically arrogant, and uniquely moronic isn’t a way to go through life unless you wish to emuilate Obama, which apparently you do.
Hope there is an affirmative action program that exists for you little man. Cuase the world treats cretins like you as I would deal with something I stepped in on a hot summer’s day, very sticky, very smelly, very loathsome.
So bray on losser. We all have your number.
Andreas K. commented:
It can’t track your movements. You’d have to carry a GPS system for that.
As for tracking the internet… the “whistleblowing” site you link claims it does that, but shows zero proof. I’d curious how that would work. Looking at how the smartmeter works, I conclude that this claim is utter bullsh*t, apparently written by someone who thinks the internet is magic.
And the TV licence use is pretty much standard in many countries. It’s a way for the government to make money, nothing else.
Greg commented:
Much ado about nothing…..Complainers are wearing tin foil hats or stealing power….Meters can read power, smart meters can read power on a real time basis rather than monthly. Utility company meter readers job go away but that is what technology is all about. Real time info is very useful for load management during curtailment due to weather, the power company with real time data can add or reduce load much more accurately. The alternative is to have a dta deficient technician operate a manual dump switch
nickel commented:
Welcome to the 21st century of World on a Wire like utility company stooges filling this comment page with propaganda about the Smart Meters being just another energy saving tool. The bottom line is the Smart Meters allow them to raise their rates for electricity on a dynamic basis, which means whenever they think they can justify it to themselves that they should charge more. With the exception of a dozen percent or so of the population that are technology buffs, the majority of the electricity users will NOT change their usage and just be charged more MONEY for the same amount of electricity. This will allow the electric utilities to significantly improve their ability to TAKE MORE OF YOUR MONEY ON A MONTHLY BASIS and to give part of it to their friends in the Fascist State and Local Governments. STOP THE SMART METERS NOW.
Soapbox Jill commented:
I am sick in my own home since the 3rd set of transmitting meters went into our neighborhood. Some people get sick right away, others take time to reach their threshold, and still others are lucky and don’t feel sick.
I have to spend lots of time away from my own home. Is this America anymore?