Sen. Tom Coburn: I Will Have Difficulty Supporting Newt Gingrich as President of the United States (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, December 4, 2011, 10:18 AM
Oklahoma conservative Senator Tom Coburn told Chris Wallace today that he would have difficulty supporting Newt Gingrich as President.
“I just found his leadership lacking.”
The Hill has more.
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bobbymike commented:
You know we really don’t need this. I would support a chicken over Obama, his second term WILL DESTROY AMERICA!!!!!!!!!
But “I find his leadership lacking” so wont support Gingrich come on man!
What is wrong with this country? America is now at a point where politicians have reached the zenith of “arrogance and incompetence”
THAT is a deadly combination. They are too stupid to know when they are wrong, scary.
Obamas regulation destroy jobs commented:
Isn’t he one of the super committee members that did nothing?? WOW..why doesn’t HE do something about all the illegals in Oklahoma spreading HIV? And why doesn’t he do something about HOLDER???
vityas commented:
“But mine is so much better,” Tom went on to say. “And besides, I enjoy Barack so we don’t need a Republican in the White House at this time. Let’s just let things stay where they are for another four years. What’s the harm?”
Spartan commented:
No offense Senator, your leadership has been a bit lacking as well. I live in Oklahoma and quite honestly I found it a bit over-reaching when you made so many attempts to suck up to the Presdident over the Healthcare debates and during the State of the Union.
http://newsok.com/u.s.-sen.-tom-coburn-barack-obama-form-unlikely-friendship/article/3351361
So before tagging someone as lacking in leadership,,,,,,try looking in the mirror first. And link is probably why you wouldn’t go into detail about the issue??
Spartan commented:
And one more thing Senator. One MUST BE a leader in order to see it in others!! Jerk!!!
Sickofobama commented:
Coburn lost his conservative credentials when he said the Piglosi is nice and that we shouldn’t take what she is doing to us personal.
He’s a RINO and The Hill today said he has a “warm relationship” with Obama.
Isn’t that special?
goforit commented:
Ok, Tom, lets compare YOUR leadership to Newts.
He is at least trying to lead from the front and you? from an arm chair to Chris Wallace on a Sunday talk show.
@#1 December 4, 2011 at 10:23 am
bobbymike commented:
You know we really don’t need this. I would support a chicken over Obama, his second term WILL DESTROY AMERICA!!!!!!!!!
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A chicken, a bucket of sand with a stick in it. I would support nearly ANYONE over Oblahblah.
We are actually lucky he’s on vacation for 17 days. and HOPEfully he’ll be quiet during that time and not screw up anything else.
Sickofobama commented:
And one more thing: The more the current crop of wussies in the Republican Party in office say things against Gingrich the more I will be for him.
I will not vote for Romneycare.
exceller commented:
I’m so sick of hearing who these people won’t support. tell me who you will support. Who is the great leader you are holding out for? rOmney? don’t make me puke.
ss252 commented:
Is this the same waffffffffffler that hasnt done shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit except lip service on how “conservative ” he is,
I am not a huge NEWT fan, but if I step back a bit and listen to the man? He obviously is the most qualified at this point…
Add a few real conservatives into his Cabinet, win the Senate and at least we have a shot Mr Coburn……You sir have laid down over and over after talking tough..
Valerie commented:
Yah, he was really helpful for Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, and Rick Perry, too. uh, oops.
FU#K OBAMA commented:
Coburn = RINO…. look at his voting record.
RedGrandma commented:
Clarification, Senator Coburn, please. Do you mean you won’t support him in the primary? Fair enough. Each of us is entitled to support the Republican who we believe will best lead us out of the Obama evil swamp. …Or do you mean you won’t even support him in the general? Then why not just come clean and admit that you really are an Obama stoking Democrat and stop lying to you constituents with your claim to be a conservative Republican.
G-d I hate politicians. They are the scum of the earth.
Moreliberty commented:
I agree with this dude. Gingrich and Romney are really no different than Obama. You “conservatives” are fooling yourselves if you think otherwise.
David commented:
Gingrich and Romney are only slightly better than Obama but at least Romney would beat Obama
Valerie commented:
#15 December 4, 2011 at 10:55 am
Moreliberty commented:
Barack Obama presided over The Stimulus, which aside from being disastrous public policy, was also used as a means of enriching his fellow-travelers.
Can you say “Teapot Dome”?
He’s into income redistribution, all right, but not like his black supporters (who have been reamed by his economic policies) thought, that is from rich to poor, but from the whole country to his buddies.
So, did Coburn or his family profit from The Stimulus as well? Is his interest in undercutting the latest Republican front-runner a venal interest?
Bill Mitchell commented:
You know what I REALLY enjoy? When our supposed Conservative “Leaders” give Democrats all the talking points they could ever hope for for the General.
I mean seriously Coburn, is this kind of commentary necessary considering Newt is now the prohibitive favorite? If Newt is nominated there is a 100% chance this idiocy will appear in an Obama ad.
Dittogirl commented:
My In-Laws who are very liberal absolutely HATE Gingrich…along with Coburn now???
Makes me want him to be the nominee even more now that Cain is out. It would be an honor to piss off so many people at one time..
Spider commented:
Don’t know much about this guy. Now I know I don’t like him.
bg commented:
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Ginger White: “Cain is not fit to be President”
Tom Coburn: “I Will Have Difficulty Supporting
Newt Gingrich as President of United States”
sort of have the same ring to them.. /s/
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jorgen commented:
One RINO complaining about another RINO. However, the latter RINO is 1000+ times better than Obama.
bg commented:
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Dittogirl #19 December 4, 2011 at 11:12 am
re: [Makes me want him to be the
nominee even more now that Cain
is out.
Amen to that!!
re: [It would be an honor to piss off so many people at one time..]
rotf
mbo!!
[disclaimer: if not Gingrich, then Romney]
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Swifty commented:
Obama has severely lowered the bar on leadership where even Meghan McCain qualifies to be a better leader than Obama.
Johnny commented:
To bad he isnt up for election in 2012. He would loose.
Michael commented:
Newt has his problems, but not having the ability to leads is wrong. I remember his leadership of the House, and if it wasn’t for his personal life, America would not have had the prosperity it had back then. No, I don’t mean that Newt did it all alone, he definately had plenty of help, such as President Reagan & his Administration. So, for Coburn to feel the way he does is quite distrubing, the only thing I can figure on why he feel’s that way is because, of Jealousy possibly? Coburn need’s to get his act together and face the FACT, that Newt hasa very good chance to be President, so he really needs to face it like a man, and get on board. NEWT, PRESIDENT 2012.
Johnny commented:
Tom Coburn Helped Cover Up John Ensign Affair: Senate Ethics Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/tom-coburn-john-ensign_n_861287.html?
Gride commented:
Sounds like it is more of a personal problem he has with Newt.
Amjean commented:
Unnecessary rhetoric at this time.
Johnny commented:
#28 Gride,
I think you are right on. This isnt the first time he has gone after Newt. Search “Coburn Newt” and you’ll see.
Conservative to the Core commented:
“We know who it is who will be our nominee.”
~Georgette Mossbacher
Billy commented:
Coburn is a Marxist socialist.
martha commented:
In Nov 2008, after Obama got elected I thought that by the time 2012 rolls around Elmer Fudd could run for President and Fudd would win.
I’m going to vote for whomever is the Republican nominee, though I would like it to be either Bachman or Santorum.
first and foremost is to get Obama and his czars and cabinet out of office. The country depends on it.
I wish the Republicans would stop with the circular firing squad however.
Paul_In_Houston commented:
So, Tom:
On election day, instead of voting against a second term for Obama, are you just going to throw a tantrum and hold your breath until you turn blue?
Is that your definition of leadership?
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Highlander commented:
So, what are you going to do, support Obama Tom? If you do, you can kiss your seat goodbye …
Johnny commented:
Didnt know much about the guy until now. Boy has he opened up a can of worms.
“The hard right says I’m a RINO now,” Coburn says – Tea Party group organized a protest against Coburn.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/07/24/tom-coburn-tea-party-turncoat.html
Skip commented:
Colburn is a RINO. I don’t believe he cares if Obama wins a second term. This is the big difference between the Republican and Democratic parties.
The Democrats will support their own agaist all odds…the Republicans, not so much.
Rose commented:
I find the concept of supporting Newt to be utterly intolerable, same as Odrama Queen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2Uh6TKqnk
Newt Gingrich John Kerry Global Warming debate 2007
12/2/2011 Michael Savage cites this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeRbLzbo6mo
http://polipundit.com/?p=34670
Nutty Newt nuggets
http://emergingcorruption.com/2011/11/newt-worthy-or-not/
Newt-worthy or Not?
November 8, 2011 By Scott Rohter
I’m shocked that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the only govt entities vat-soaking in Democrats who are paying Newt astronomical amounts of TAX PAYER DOLLARS for his ideas speeches.
kato commented:
So sad. We’ve got the worst president ever in the White House, and the Clueless Party offers us a gaggle of mediocrities and crackpots.
The debates have been painful to watch, and they’ve only allowed the fraud at 1600 to appear to be presidential in comparison. The candidates have allowed themselves to become sidetracked by peripheral issues or their own crazy pet projects that have zero — repeat: zero — chance of being passed into law. In the meantime, another clueless idiot, Olympia Snowe, is still burbling about that other non-starter, a balanced-budget amendment.
Gingrich may be a smart boy, but he’s certainly not a wise man. He’s got some quirk in that encyclopedic brain of his that makes him unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Would he be worse than Obama? Obviously not. But if I’m forced to vote for him in 2012, it will be with great reluctance and with continued pessimism about the direction of this country.
Well, at least Herman Cain is out, a poser who turned into an embarrassment. Conservatives should be angry that a guy who seemed to have never read the front section of a newspaper decided that he should be their spokesman and representative. Good riddance.
Multitude commented:
The Coburn Rule
Thanks to the Oklahoma Senator, independent thinking Republicans have now been given full latitude to embrace whomever they feel would be a good candidate, including third party candidates in Presidential elections, without the legitimacy of the “a vote for the non-RINO is a vote for the enemy” claim.
It took Nixon to go to China, and it took RINO Coburn to validate the deontological legitimacy of supporting whomever, regardless of potential consequence. We now can know this principal as the Coburn Rule, is if its good enough for RINO elites, it’s good enough for the rest of us private sector working servants to the political class.
Rose commented:
#7 December 4, 2011 at 10:34 am
Sickofobama
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TOM COBURN isn’t Conservative in your book because he said Pelosi is nice – (And Tom has done a few other things lately that someone should slap the back of his head for) – but he ain’t good enough for you – BUT NEWT WHO SAT ON THE COUCH with her for Al Gore’s Global Warming dim HOAX for tax payer bleeding, who debates John Kerry TO THE LEFT OF KERRY while praising Kerry’s BOOK, AND A TON OF OTHER THINGS – and you THINK he is better than Odrama Queen – AN IOTA?????
Sorry, folks, I watched Newt’s entire performance the night he sat and laughed for 45 minutes MINIMUM AIR TIME at Sean WHILE NEWT WAS AGREEING WITH ALAN COLMES IN SUPPORT OF SHAMNESTY and told Sean to FORGET about Border Security because it just was not attainable. He should be pragmatic like NEWT and SUPPORT SHAMNESTY!
And laughed and chuckled NON-STOP for 45 bloody minutes.
Sean was a much higher-rated show in those days and I don’t imagine I am the only Conservative who saw that , just like I am not the only one to see the Couch Commercial with Pelosi, or the ad he made with Hillary.
Now there is a list of TONS MORE of Newt actions that are utterly dispicable.
You can support Newt all you want to.
I put Newt to the LEFT of Ford/Dole/McCain – right up there with Cater and Clinton – HE SHOWS US ON VIDEO THAT HE IS *LEFT OF JOHN KERRY and the GOP can go fly a KITE if they don’t have the CHARACTER required to sink Newt BEFORE the Primary.
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2Uh6TKqnk
Newt Gingrich John Kerry Global Warming debate 2007
Johnny commented:
Gingrich warned FM & FM about the housing bubble and advised them that their lending practices were “insane.”
Benson II commented:
Looks like Coburn went to Newt Gingrich/2012 read Newt’s 21st Century Contract with America and totally freaked.
“Implementing this will put more common sense conservative principles back in the Federal government than any Rino or liberal Democrat could handle, I could be out of a job. Please don’t let Gingrich abolish the EPA, please don’t let Gingrich make Judges who legislate from the bench accountable and out of a job. Please don’t let Gingrich give the power of education back to the states.Please don’t let Gingrich eliminate all of Obama’s Czars. Please, please, please don’t listen to Gingrich. All this common sense listen to the people crap he wants is giving me a headache.” Your friend Senator Coburn.
Rose commented:
Coburn is HARD HARD HARD RIGHT of NEWT!
And you better check the RECORD if you don’t believe THAT.
Coburn has done enough to have lost the Tea Party, and is a Hard Right man.
NEWT is HARD LEFT of Hanoi John Kerry. And that is NOT rhetoric. It is Hard FACT!
The COUNTERFEIT (R) by Newt’s name isn’t going to impress ME at all.
And his high praises of Calista – well, look what you guys think of Ginger White and tell me why you think more of Calista. Just because she MARRIED the man whose marriage she helped break up?
Don’t get me wrong, if it had not been her, it could have been any one of a thousand others, obviously.
I can just see you guys if Monica had replaced Hillary!
The (R) doesn’t make that sort of thing get swallowed.
LRod commented:
Ditto
Sickofobama commented:
ROSE:
Does Gingrich have a warm relationship with Obama?
Are you for Romneycare or Paul?
Gingrich is the last person I thought I could go for but he is more conservative than Tom Coburn who has shown his true colors since Obama got in office.
LRod commented:
Ditto not to Rose, but to Coburn.
donh commented:
This is like a 3 dollar bill calling a $3 coin a fake. The coin is at least made of metal and has scrap value.
LIndensant commented:
Rose, it’s your right to not approve of Gingrich. However, its patently ridiculous to say he’s “hard left” of Kerry.
Coburn has been disappointing at times, lets not put him up in a pedestal.
Rose commented:
You wanna compare Coburn to Newt? OK.
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/284472/newt-gingrich-said-iwhati
In 2008, Newt hailed John McCain’s efforts in the crafting of the TARP legislation
In December 2008, he criticized the RNC for its ad attacking Obama’s connections to Rod Blagojevich, calling it “a destructive distraction.”
Newt has done a rave review for Amazon.com of Sen. Chuck Schumer’s “Positively American.”
http://emergingcorruption.com/2011/11/newt-worthy-or-not/
1979 Voted to create the Department of Education, under President Jimmy Carter
1990 Becomes member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
1993 Voted for NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement
1994 Supported the WTO, the World Trade Organization. Voted for GATT, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade that subjected Americans to the international authority of the WTO
1995 Delivers speech to the Center for Strategic and International Affairs in which he blames the US Constitution for making America’s role in leading the world more difficult! Read his full quote in accompanying article, “The American challenge in leading the world is
compounded by our Constitution…”.
2009-2010 Travels around the country with Al Sharpton and Arne Duncan to promote President Obama’s new educational policies: i.e. increased local control of schools with increased Federal subsidies and regulations from Washington. (Sounds like quite a contradiction to me.)
2010 Supported ultra-liberal, pro-abortion, pro-union, establishment candidate Dede Scozzafava in New York’s 23rd Congressional District in a special election, over conservative candidate Doug Hoffman.
That don’t scratch the surface. But it looks like a FABULOUS DIM CANDIDATE for the Democrats or for the Communist Party with Dennis Kucinich. EITHER ONE.
Robert commented:
Coburn and the rest of the establishment Republicans show such lousy leadership that he has no business questioning anyone else’s leadership qualities. Why don’t they advocate real spending cuts instead of merely (barely if at all) reducing the rate of increase in spending?
By not continually and publicly supporting the message of reduced spending, they leave the opening for the Democrats and media to paint their occasional meager efforts as supporting the rich.
James commented:
The GOP eating its own. Nice way to keep your eye on the ball Senator Colburn, which is to kick out obama, the worst president in american history. This is why republicans are so frustrated with the GOP leaders and why their called the stupid party.
John Galt commented:
Coburn is an undependable conservative. He allied himself with the gang of six to increase taxes in the Debt ceiling debate.
He has also proposed doing away with the mortgage interest rate tax deduction, endangering the vote of 52 million house owners and giving Obama the Presidency again. But it is always only about Coburn.
Coburn is a walking tick bomb that has narrow views and professes holly than thou attitude. The Republican party doesn’t need intestine fights; and Coburn is always ready for one.
Go away Coburn.
midusdew commented:
After the what Issa says Holder ouster is up to White House.
Flat out Insanity!
Congress, the Rebublicans are not doing anything. In-fact they are enabling the destruction of the Constitution and the rule of law.
ie. The National Defense Authorization Act: “Subtitle D—Detainee Matters SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AU- THORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE. (a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the author- ity of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered per- †S 1867 ES 427 1 sons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition
2 under the law of war. 3 (b) COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under 4 this section is any person as follows: >>>>>13 who has committed a belligerent act <<<<<<<
This is OUTRAGEOUS! We need to vote everyone of them out And need to find new leadership other wise the next election cycle if there is one will be the last nail in our coffin.
annonymous commented:
Treason. The man expresses a line of thinking that is pre-toddler. He’s missing the most basic, obvious, big picture, step one issue, which is the need to make sure Obama does not get elected to a second term. What an absolute a$$.
samuel gonzalez commented:
I think GOP voters that are jumping on the Gingrich bandwagon are making a huge mistake. Yes, the guy is brilliant but he’s also a ticking time bomb that can go off at any minute. And I’m not just talking about the baggage he brings in his personal life, although it really gonna hurt him in a general election. Newt just lacks laser beam focus and he has the need to prove how smart he is by half and it got him in trouble in the past. Another, factor that many don’t point out is that Newt with his big ideas has a strong inclination to be a “big government” Republican and that’s exactly what the country doesn’t need.
the real wow commented:
Spare us “conservative” “leaders” like Coburn. Someone should tell him that the better part of valor sometimes is to just plain shut up!!
bigL commented:
Oh gee well, I m really influenced.Not Another ass-hat heard from. Buh Bye Coburn, time to have a challenger, be primaried. Not because of newt, but because you are a squish gop. Out!
Don ROGERS commented:
right…like obama has soooooooo much leadership Qualities..what was his record in senate?…for the short time it lasted?…community organizer in office…lord help us
Don Rogers commented:
right…like obamas record in senate is what?…present?for what little time he was in there…a community organizer in office as a president…omg…we need a leader..who does he surrounds himself with?…communists…socialists…check the records…i have
Nancy commented:
To me, this is just evidence that the ruling class in both parties has little to no understanding of the crisis America is in today. If the Republican nominee turns out to be somebody they don’t like, a second Obama term won’t matter in the long term, right?
Like Rush says, to them it is all business as usual, and the people are worrying about unimportant things. They don’t believe America is in trouble. They’re doing all right in Washington, aren’t they?
workingclass artist commented:
OUCH! that’ll will leave a mark on Ol’ Newt.
workingclass artist commented:
““By now we should not be shocked at anything the Liberal MSM is going to uncover about our GOP candidates. It is us that must be prepared. It is us that must take a stand. But it is also us that must have the discernment to know who we will select. We all know that Romney is not a conservative and is favored by the MSM, DC insiders and Republican Liberals. We also know he is a trained seal and will do what he has to do to win the GOP nomination. Gingrich, as intelligent and knowledgeable as he is, has many flaws including being sold on his own intrinsic worth. We must ask ourselves, is Gingrich ready to embrace the common folk, or is he just another elitist who believes he knows better and will rape the land. Could Perry the governor, with the highest job creation record in the country, overcome his ‘brain freeze’ and be our next president? We must focus on Obama the bully, the whiner, the ineffective leader and the world class liar as he campaigns throughout the states begging to be reelected. We must not let the MSM win!”
read the full article at:
http://texasgopvote.com/2012-republican-primary/now-we-know-gop-presidential-candidates-are-flawedwho-your-pick-003593#.Ttub1EZIEUs.twitter
workingclass artist commented:
Newt in 07: I ‘strongly support’ carbon caps
“Two years before policital unpopularity forced Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., to abandon cap-and-trade legislation regulate carbon emissions, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., praised the idea of “mandatory carbon caps” combined with tax incentives, and said that then-President Bush should have led the charge to implement such a policy.
“I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there’s a package there that’s very, very good,” Gingrich said during a PBS interview on February 15, 2007. “And frankly, it’s something I would strongly support.”
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/newt-07-i-strongly-support-carbon-caps/23
Multitude commented:
The one thing that seems to come across is that there simply aren’t any worthwhile Republicans, particularly in the Senate, but also in the pathetic field of losers we have running in the primary.
Without question, eight years of Bush and corruptocrat RINOs got us Obama. RINOS pushing McCain got us Obama. Even after the 2010 election, we’ve seen that the Republicans have zero capacity to reform and listen to our message. Apparently reform isn’t in the cards, since Republican elites are convinced they can keep catering to the elites, perpetuating their version of the borrowing and redistributing of the nation’s wealth.
Newt and Romney are the best Republicans have to offer? No thank you then.
bg commented:
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eh, they helped sink the Santa Maria, now they’re
sailing the Nina vs the Pinta for the “leadership”..
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StrangernFiction commented:
Tom Coburn questioning someone’s leadership. That is funny.
Valerie commented:
#61 December 4, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Nancy commented:
From what I hear from people who live in the DC area, business is fine. That’s because most of the money in the country is being diverted through DC, of course, and spilling into the metropolitan area. Dealing with the government is the only kind of business that is growing right now.
Valerie commented:
Axelrod Bimbo alert!
Parade Magazine has an article today about “Mitt Romney, Family Man” and how his wife convinced him to run for the presidency.
Voluminous accusations of sexual impropriety, with or without attendant facts in 3, 2, 1….
Valerie commented:
And here we have Doonesbury accusing Rick Perry of doing what Obama did to us with The Stimulus.
http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/archive/2011/12/04
I’ll say this for Perry: he didn’t run his state’s economy into the ground.
bg commented:
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Valerie #70 December 4, 2011 at 3:36 pm
hah, with all that STIMULUS, not to mention
PAY to PLAY, how could he?? /s
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bg commented:
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re: #71 December 4, 2011 at 4:12 pm bg
seems to me Obama came along just
in time to put the B$G back in Texas..
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daryl commented:
Just keep on keeping on.
CT commented:
I’ll be voting for Gingrich when I get the opportunity. People like you in the Republican Party is why I never contribute to the RNC.
daryl commented:
I’ll just say this. None of your picks have played well in Vegas. Cain did do very well in ‘the first to quit category’.
Who’s next to get the ‘kiss of death’?
Jesusland commented:
Coming from him, an endorsement as far as I’m concerned.
conservativeBC commented:
A lot of people feel that way… It also explains this
Cain Supporters Flocking to Bachmann
http://thebachmanncometh.blogspot.com/2011/12/cain-supporters-coming-over-to-bachmann.htmlA lot of people feel that way that is why
squeaky commented:
i wonder if this guy posts here? eerily familiar.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2011/12/04/msnbc-mocks-cain-announcement-derisive-laughter-bizarre-charade-fr
workingclass artist commented:
About that Huckabee Forum last nigh…Interesting review…
” As I once pointed out elsewhere, American attitudes toward the division of power between state and federal government track a famous line from Thomas Jefferson’s’ First Inaugural Address: “We are all republicans,” he said, holding out an olive branch to the other party, “we are all federalists.”
But as he himself demonstrated in office, when it comes to limits on federal power, we are all hypocrites. The basic view of “states’ rights” is that they extend to any policy that the speaker thinks will go his or her way at the state level. Policies become law at the federal level become, ipso facto, “national problems.” Certainly this mode of thinking seems to have affected some of the Republican presidential candidates.
The only two who seem to have given serious thought to the division of authority between the states and the federal government are Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) and Gov. Rick Perry, also of Texas. As for the rest, some show interest in federalism as a slogan, and a surprising number show no interest in it at all….”
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/leading-gop-candidates-dont-want-to-return-power-to-the-st
workingclass artist commented:
” As someone who has spent his political career in Washington, Gingrich clearly wants to do big things once he gets his hands on the levers of federal power. What, he was asked, about his proposal to empower local citizen boards to decide whether long-time undocumented residents of a community should be deported or allowed to remain? Why shouldn’t the states be making that decision?
Gingrich’s answer ought to chill “Tenthers” in the unseen audience. “The Tenth Amendment actually talks about the states and the citizens,” Gingrich said (check the text, he’s got the wording about right). Thus, the implication is, the federal government can reach over the head of the states and empower boards in cities and towns—presumably made up of appointees by President Gingrich, not Governor Whoever—to carry out important federal programs. I’m about as nationalist as they come, but even I never considered the Tenth Amendment as a source of federal power before….
Bachmann truly seemed not to have given a thought to federalism before Saturday night. Why, Pruitt asked, had she previously said that states could not constitutionally have individual mandate programs either? “It goes back to that liberty interest that each of us has and there can be reasonable difference about that.” Could states—as Oklahoma and Virginia have done—pass statutes blocking the ACA? “The federal government Obamacare bill will trump the state statutes,” she replied. “It is the law of the land right now.”
As for immigration, she said, under Article I § 8 of the Constitution “a specific enumerated power is the government needs to deal with the border.” (I’m still scratching my head about which “specific” textual power she means.) “It’s not the states’ role.” Cuccinelli asked about S.B. 197, which would use the commerce power to override state tort laws and court procedures in medical malpractice cases. “I support tort reform absolutely.” Asked which Supreme Court decision (“other than Roe v. Wade”) of the past 50 years she most dislikes, she answered Kelo v. City of New London—a case that, however unpopular, left the issue of eminent domain to the states rather than federalizing it….”
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/leading-gop-candidates-dont-want-to-return-power-to-the-st
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/leading-gop-candidates-dont-want-to-return-power-to-the-s
sablegsd commented:
I am sick of this jerk flopping on his back and pissing on himself to ingratiate himself with libs. OK, vote him out! NV, get your hand off the slot machine and get rid of dingy Harry. Hank Johnson? Oy Vey! boxer, feinstein, waters, rangal,OUT!
Molon Labe commented:
#61
Pathetic as always. You spend most of your comments extrolling the Federal government’s power yet here you pretend to be in favor of the tenth amendment. In your confusion over your lying, you seek to promote then attack the tenth amendment.
Get with it moron what is your stance on the tenth amendment?
Molon Labe commented:
#80
Clearly the Working Class Ass didn’t even bother to watch the devbate or he would have seen Ron Paul reamed for his double talk gearding the Constitution and government over reach. He admitted he couldn’t repeal those Federal programs that were unConstitutional nbor did he even intend to abolish the Federal Reserve Board.
Seems like the Working Class Ass can’t get rid of his filters nor be bothered to post an honest comment. An idea for you, why not just write for Newsweek> They need your insight and accuracy.
Rose commented:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2Uh6TKqnk
Newt Gingrich John Kerry Global Warming debate 2007
7:10 minutes – Kerry highly praises NEWT for being LEFT of Kerry at 5-5:15-ish…
Newt had challenged Kerry to a “Lincoln Douglas” style debate on Global Warming
in 2007
Kerry shows up as Douglas…
Newt shows up as John Wilkes Booth – OPENS the debate by holding up KERRY’S BOOK AND PRAISING KERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Disarms EVERYTHING Kerry had planned to say about Newt!
I never knew about this all these years I hated that Newt was laughing for 45 AIR TIME MINUTES at Sean Hannity over Border Security ads he, NEWT, sided ALAN COLMES IN HEARTY “PRAGMATIC SUPPORT” for McCain Kennedy SHAMNESTY – FORTY FIVE AIR TIME MINUTES.
You do what you think is right. “Folks ought to do what they want.”
If this donkey is the leader you want – vote for him.
Eric S commented:
Newt thinks too much?
Maybe we don’t need a cerebral nature, but someone who sticks to principle. Overthinking may lead to overruling key tried & tested conservative principles.
workingclass artist commented:
@#84
Clearly Moron Labe didn’t read the link. The critic is citing the simple fact that during the forum the only 2 candidates who clearly gave serious thought to the10th were the two from Texas. Paul & Perry. In that he’s correct.
Paul is a foreign policy isolationist loon but he’s still a dedicated states rights advocate.
Perry has also been a states rights advocate for years.
I saw the Huckabee Forum. Newt would expand federal power it’s his thang.
workingclass artist commented:
@#86
Newt thinks principles are useful political slogans but impractical in the daily application to life’s little problems.
bigL commented:
Maybe these guys will go in as one thang and come out as another, “or they’ll never
eat lunch again thi this town!”
Like Rush said Bachmann will fight FOR the USA everyday she is in office. She would have a great cabinet.
Also she will take the fight to Obama and criticize his past and demand answers. I believe that and that I do not believe that Romey will fight hard at all.
Alas on Saturday Gingrich said he would not run a negative campaign…Why the heck NOT, the country is sliding into the abyss and Obama keeps insulting americans and trying to get assaulted, getting some one to swing on him; he is riding the citizens of the USA. Looking for an excuse to crack down.
Demand answers, run ads on REv Wright and Ayres.
mcc commented:
More Newt: Here he’s testifying before Congress in ’09:
Newt battles Rep. Waxman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44fPSn7VxKs&feature=related
Newt rips Gore’s “facts” apart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7VUg7nG3lw&feature=related
Molon Labe commented:
#87
Working Class Ass vomits:
Anyone who watched POerry and Paul’s ridiculous and laughable gymnastics regarding the 10th Amendment realizes that they have no faith in it. Perry danced the two step quoting the 10th while ignoring the fact that it hasn’t been used in over 70 years. Paul was doing his best Jerry Lewis imitation telling us he wouldn’t eliminate unconstitutional programs, even the Federal Reserve.
But it takes something like the Working Class AQss, who didn’t even bother to watch the forum, to vomit forth so many distortions and misinformation.
Have you ever considered a career selling male enhancement pills? Sounds like for forte.
Pathetic as always. I much prefer it when you dazzle us with its impossible to build a fence along the Rio Grande and that Bachman would give land away to Mexico. So amusing. Makes wonder what brand of Kool Aide you drink.
Molon Labe commented:
Coburn is just a rino, greedy, stupid, and lazy. This makes him a great dhimmierat.
Questionman commented:
No comparison really. G.W. was the worst ever. President Obama is light years ahead on every single issue.
Either suck it or refute it haters.
Bloomberg’s Al Hunt asked Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) — who represented the GOP on the fiscal supercommittee that failed to craft a deficit reduction package — to explain this viewpoint, considering that more jobs were created under the Clinton administration and its higher taxes on the rich than were created following the Bush tax cuts. Upton admitted that “I don’t know specifically the answer to that question,” nonsensically pointing to Friday’s jobs report instead of trying to argue the premise of Hunt’s question:
GOP are losers and liars.
If they think an inanimate object can do a better job than Obama, it shows how brain-dead they have become!
workingclass artist commented:
@#96 Moron Labe
“Pathetic as always. I much prefer it when you dazzle us with its impossible to build a fence along the Rio Grande and that Bachman would give land away to Mexico…”
Perry installed Webcams on the border…And yeah there’s a 1200 mile river there. Citizens can log onto the live feed.
http://www.blueservo.net/
mcc commented:
PAUL KRUGMAN: I think the model is something like Clinton who, in fact, mostly was just riding on a successful economy that was successful mostly for reasons that had nothing much to do with him.
[...]
Counter to the totally incorrect conventional wisdom fostered by dishonest media members across the fruited plain, the Gross Domestic Product grew by 2.7 percent in the second quarter of 1991 followed by 1.7 percent in the third quarter and 1.6 percent in the fourth quarter.
As such, before the first primary in New Hampshire, the economy was already growing.
But that was just the beginning, for the economy was actually starting to boom before Election Day, as the GDP grew by 4.5 percent in the first quarter of 1992, 4.3 percent in the second quarter, 4.2 percent in the third quarter, and 4.3 percent in the fourth quarter.
What this means is the economy had been growing for seven straight quarters by the time Clinton took office, with the previous four quarters experiencing what most economists consider boom-like in terms of GDP.
Now throw in Intel expanding computer chips to a 586 platform, as well as a little invention called the router which allowed us mere mortals to log onto the Internet, and the resulting technological boom provided economic stimulus like nothing most Americans alive at the time had ever witnessed.
Add it all up, and Mr. Krugman was 100 percent right for a change.
Someone pass the smelling salts.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/23/krugman-shocker-1990s-economic-boom-had-nothing-much-do-clinton#ixzz1fflXHYkr
bg commented:
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mcc #97 December 5, 2011 at 9:06 am
we have more or less known that for some time now, but now that
a deranged DEM, who accidentally speaks the truth every so often
said it, it’s what, not a fairy tale, but real?? gah!!
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bg commented:
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re: mcc #97 December 5, 2011 at 9:06 am
September 07, 2011
For Middle Class Texans, Perry’s “Miracle” Is Just A Tall Tale
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bg commented:
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re: #100 December 5, 2011 at 11:43 am bg
[While Perry might like to talk about the "Texas miracle," the reality is it’s just another Texas Tall Tale. When he talks about the Texas economy, just remember that growth has been driven by factors he didn’t control - like rising oil prices and increased military spending. And those jobs he claims to have created are low wage jobs. In fact, Texas ties for the highest percentage of minimum wage jobs in the nation. When Americans look at restoring middle class security and the jobs of the future, this is hardly a miracle, it’s a recipe for more of the same.]
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mcc commented:
Yep, bg #100,101 — Perry came to my mind, too, with the statement about Clinton riding an economy that was successful for reasons having little to do with him. Glad you followed up with that.
mcc commented:
Re #102 – Emphasize this, too: And those jobs he claims to have created are low wage jobs.
workingclass artist commented:
@#100
The Texas Economy is FACT & the state is projected to stay at the top for the next 5 years.
Gov. Perry has been a strong conservative leader in Texas. He will be a Strong Conservative leader as President.
Read the whole thing.
Republican Raul Torres is the state representative for District 33 in Corpus Christi.
“CORPUS CHRISTI — Before the Texas Legislature convened in Austin last January, I joined nearly 80 other conservative state lawmakers, Gov. Rick Perry and Comptroller Susan Combs in signing the Texas Conservative Coalition’s “Pledge with Texans,” a conservative reform agenda for the 82nd Legislature.
Throughout the 140-day regular session and a special session that followed, my co-signers and I remained true to the tenets of the pledge, passing bills supporting its every plank, upholding conservative principles and laying the foundation for our long-term goals for Texas. Many of the measures we sponsored and supported have now been signed into law.
The five planks of the pledge obligated signers to advance, support and vote for legislation to (1.) balance the budget without raising taxes; (2.) limit federal intrusion; (3.) improve election integrity; (4.) cut taxes and encourage the free market; and (5.) secure the Texas border. In committing to the pledge, we promised to support and advance all of its planks during the 82nd Legislature and agreed to have our voting records reviewed and compiled into a score card to be made public at the end of the session.
Our most important accomplishment was balancing the state budget without raising taxes….
Our most important accomplishment was balancing the state budget without raising taxes.We also passed numerous other measures that will generate savings for the state, such as Senate Bill 7, which will improve the efficiency and quality of health care in Texas by reforming the way health and human services programs and agencies deliver service. Another bill signed into law increases school districts’ flexibility over their work forces and payrolls so that quality instruction can be prioritized over non-classroom expenditures.
My conservative colleagues and I also took strong steps to limit federal intrusion into state policy matters. In addition to saving on health care costs, SB 7 also proposed that Texas join an interstate health care compact, giving member states flexibility in spending federal funds on health care apportioned under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Another measure signed by the governor, HCR 18, calls on the Congress to pass a balanced-budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
We improved election integrity by passing SB 14, the Voter I.D. bill. This will require individuals to show photo identification before voting.
In efforts to secure the Texas border, we devoted $87.8 million in the next two-year state budget to fund border and homeland security initiatives, including more than $50 million in capital equipment items such as border security vehicles and fiber optic scopes to help law enforcement agents do their jobs.
Finally, we encouraged the free market by passing HB 274, a “Loser Pays” lawsuit reform measure that improves the Texas civil justice system so that courts can award equitable and just costs and reasonable and necessary attorney fees to the prevailing party when a cases is found to be frivolous.
Effective state leadership takes courage, commitment and political will. With more than 30 freshman members this past session, Texas voters spoke loud and clear about the leadership they expected, and I believe we delivered.
Effective state leadership takes courage, commitment and political will. With more than 30 freshman members this past session, Texas voters spoke loud and clear about the leadership they expected, and I believe we delivered.”
http://www.caller.com/news/2011/dec/04/what-we-conservatives-achieved-in-austin/
workingclass artist commented:
More and more letters like this will appear as more people begin to pay attention to the race.
“Perry is different. He’ll look you straight in the eye and tell you when he disagrees with you. That means he can be trusted to keep his promises when he agrees with you.
Perry agrees that a balanced budget is important for our economy. And Perry agrees that a balanced budget is important for our national security. Perry can be trusted to balance our budget….
Perry is different. Perry can be trusted to keep his promises. Perry says what he means and means what he says. Perry says he’ll balance the budget, and he means it!”
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/296362/you-can-trust-perry?SESSd43cee76df6bf625beeb77e4b6bcb3fd=google
workingclass artist commented:
@#103 mcc (emphasize lies & distortions)
“Re #102 – Emphasize this, too: And those jobs he claims to have created are low wage jobs.”
Taken from the democrat playbook. In a robust economy like Texas there are jobs at every income level &every occupation.
“Not to rehash the entire Texas Governor’s race, but one of liberal trial lawyer Bill White’s main stump speech points was that Texas leads in minimum wage jobs but not high paying jobs. Maybe the statement was marginally, technically true. Who knows. Texas does have a lot of minimum wage jobs. That’s not really a controversial statement to make. But, on Bill White’s claim that Texas wasn’t creating higher wage jobs, the evidence really says otherwise:
Critically, as Texas grew its middle-income jobs by 16%, one of the highest rates in the nation, California, at 2.1% growth, ranked near the bottom. US growth was 5.3%
http://www.willisms.com/archives/2010/11/trivia_tidbit_o_893.html
3 out of Every 4 Net New Private Sector Jobs in the Past 5 Years Were Created in Texas
source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics, September Data
http://texanomics.blogspot.com/
workingclass artist commented:
Texas Debt:
Per capita state government debt in Texas ranks 2nd best in the nation (an improvement from 6th best when Governor Perry took over).
→ Interest on Texas’ debt as a percentage of its direct spending ranks as the third lowest in the nation.
→ Taking the $37.71 billion in Texas debt and dividing it by the Texas Gross State Product of $1.332 trillion, Texas’ debt as a percentage of the annual Texas economy is only 2.83%, while the nation’s debt is just below 100% of the nation’s annual economy. Some sources actually peg the Texas figure at 1.05%, and the debt to personal income ratio at 1.4%.
Meanwhile, the national debt has grown and is growing at a frightening clip.
From the authoritative source on Texas debt, the Texas Bond Review Board:
Texas had a total of $37.71 billion in state debt outstanding. Texas’ general obligation debt is split rated at Aaa/AA+/AAA by the three credit rating agencies, Moody’s Investors Service, Standard & Poor’s and Fitch Ratings.
Interestingly, if you compare some of the debt figures in Texas to the seven AAA rated states, Texas seems to beat those states pretty easily: (Chart at link)
While Moody’s and Fitch both give Texas an AAA rating, one explanation about S&P’s rating I’ve heard from smart people who follow this stuff closely is that Texas actually didn’t have enough of a history of having and thus paying back debt to warrant more than a AA rating from S&P until recently, when S&P upgraded Texas to AA+ status.
Moreover, as I’ve noted before, the vast majority of debt in Texas is voter-approved.
The attacks just keep coming, though. Indeed, others have incorrectly suggested that Texas is actively going deeper (“AS WE SPEAK!!! OMG!!!”) into debt because of some routine cash-flow management tools that have been in practice for nearly a quarter of a century:
The state’s recent sale of Tax and Revenue Anticipation Notes (TRANs) is a cash-flow management tool that dates back to 1987. These notes are sold every fiscal year to manage cash flow and to provide up-front payments to public schools. They are repaid within the fiscal year with tax revenue that comes in after the upfront school payments are made. Texas earned the highest possible ratings in anticipation of this offering, receiving a rating of SP-1+ by Standard & Poor’s, MIG 1 by Moody’s Investors Service and F1+ by Fitch Inc. Texas’ net interest rate of .27 percent is down from last year’s rate of .34 percent, representing the state’s lowest net rate ever for these notes….
Context matters. Texas’ state government debt situation is among the best in the country, almost no matter which way you slice it. The national debt crisis, meanwhile, threatens the very fabric of our society and undermines the future of this nation. It’s one thing for liberals to disingenuously attack the Texas model, as that is what they do, but it is beyond the pale for so-called conservatives, using misleading or out-of-context stats, to attack the prime example of conservative governance and success in the nation.”
more data at link. http://www.willisms.com/archives/2011/09/texas_debt_vers.html
workingclass artist commented:
@#101
Texas Growth is driven by two factors…Business growth because of conservative business & family friendly practices & migration.
FACTS DON’T LIE & NEITHER DO MIGRATION MAPS.
“Let’s compare domestic migration patterns from some major counties in America, courtesy of a really, really cool interactive tool from Forbes.
First, your big blue cities….”
The result of all of this domestic migration?
Texas is adding four new Congressional seats.
Michigan and Illinois are losing one seat each. New York is losing two seats. California is not gaining a seat for the first time since it became a state.
Graphs at link.
http://www.willisms.com/archives/2011/11/americans_votin.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_c