‘Mischief Maker’ Ron Paul’s Rise in Polls Comes From Democrats & Independents
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:30 AM
Mischief maker and anti-Israel politician Ron Paul has seen a spike in popularity in recent polls. But thorough analysis of his supporters reveals that only half of his support is from Republicans the rest is from democrats and independents.
Byron York reported at The Examiner:
Ron Paul is surging in the Republican presidential race. Just not among Republicans.
The Texas congressman is leading some polls in Iowa and is in a tie for second in New Hampshire. A candidacy once dismissed as sideshow is now being taken very seriously; the front page of Monday’s Des Moines Register featured a huge spread under the headline “COULD RON PAUL WIN?”
Given Paul’s views on the Fed, the gold standard and social issues, not to mention his isolationist foreign policy, the polls have left some politicos wondering whether Republican voters have somehow swerved off the rails. But there’s another question that should be asked first: Who are Ron Paul’s supporters? Are they, in fact, Republicans?
In an analysis accompanying his most recent survey in Iowa, pollster Scott Rasmussen noted, “Romney leads, with Gingrich in second, among those who consider themselves Republicans. Paul has a wide lead among non-Republicans who are likely to participate in the caucus.”
The same is true in New Hampshire. A poll released Monday by the Boston Globe and the University of New Hampshire shows Paul leading among Democrats and independents who plan to vote in the January 10 primary. But among Republicans, Paul is a distant third — 33 points behind leader Mitt Romney.
In South Carolina, “Paul’s support is higher among those who usually don’t vote in GOP primary elections,” notes David Woodard, who runs the Palmetto Poll at Clemson University.
In a hotly-contested Republican race, it appears that only about half of Paul’s supporters are Republicans. In Iowa, according to Rasmussen, just 51 percent of Paul supporters consider themselves Republicans. In New Hampshire, the number is 56 percent, according to Andrew Smith, head of the University of New Hampshire poll.
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FurryGuy commented:
Well, DUH! This is SOP for the Left to delegitimize elections.
donh commented:
When its Ron Paul pulling in democrats its mischief making….When its left of center liberal big government Repblicans like Romney and Gingrish its good strategy big tent politics..after all true true purist perfection conservatism is toooo polarizing and those people can’t win. So it all comes down to which democrats/independats are being drawn into the republican vote…We only welcome global fascist big government democrats/independants…not the small government isolationist democrats/independants.
Swifty commented:
Ron Paul in 2009–‘I Wouldn’t Risk American Lives’ to End the Holocaust
http://biggovernment.com/jsshapiro/2011/12/26/exclusive-ron-paul-in-2009-i-wouldnt-risk-american-lives-to-end-the-holocaust/
Conservative to the Core commented:
Virginia is an open primary. Operation Chaos is a go.
rampart ranger commented:
I would trust Obama with the security of the US before I would trust this bat-brain. He’s out of his gourd.
DANEgerus commented:
Ron Paul is a senile anti-Semite who is being used as a tool to smear all Republicans… again.
RCL commented:
The GOP should have tossed the wacky little jerk out of the Party years ago. He is an anti-semitic one-trick-pony whose silence condones the dishonest, uncivil behavior of his fanatic horde of geeks and nerds. He’s in it for the earmarks and the Money Bombs. His hypocrisy is boundless.
It will be wonderful if his tactics destroy the Iowa Caucus. It’s a stupid system that should be replaced by a real election. This year the same nitwits who planned this fiasco are going to tell us how meaningless it is when the tinfoil Messiah rolls up a 20%+ vote.
avery commented:
We have an Open Primary,the Democrats will be voteing in the Republican Primary for “Romney” here in Ga.
ahem commented:
I’ll bet it’s those same little ‘mischief makers’ who forced McCain on us.
RCL commented:
Open primaries are a means the RINOs use to water down the conservatives. One more reason we lose when the GOP wins.
ivykid commented:
Next year voters will have to decide whether they believe that we can use our military to fight our way to being safe no matter what the cost is, or whether the fact that we are headed toward bankruptcy will harm our way of life more than the outcome of wars in the middle east that have been going on since they called the area Babylon. Ron Paul stands for a nonintervention strategy and building up our domestic severity over aiding foreign countries with money we are borrowing.
paz commented:
Good! The armchair commandos who have no idea how to pay for more Unconstitutional wars will end up voting for Dr. Ron Paul, as will many Dumbocrats and Indepdendents… RP will win in a landslide against Obowelma.
greenfairie commented:
I think this is another Operation Chaos.
atticcellar commented:
Ron Paul is the only conservative on the ballot. The others are all big government rhinos. Paid off by the huge mega banks through contributions and bribes. Ron Paul is the only one calling for the enforcement of the War Powers Act which is the law of the land but not enforced for over a decade. The tools that have been in power have been beating the war drum for over a decade killing over a million people who have done no harm to the US. Should it be any surprise that those from all parties that are willing to see the truth are supporters of Dr Paul.. End the illegal wars, End the wars… Ron Paul.. 2012
amdg commented:
> half of his support is from Republicans the rest is from democrats and independents.
Seems to me like a perfect candidate… GO Ron, GO!
More Liberty commented:
You NeoCons are morons and hypocrites. Your racism and lust for perpetual war, like the idiot Dems during the 60s, and your lust for big government will be your downfall.
When the approved Republican, who usually is far from a constitutional conservative, wants to raise the debt limit you don’t care. When idiot Republicans vote to bailout their buddies, like the Dems, you don’t care (TARP). When a moron pushes for an unconstitutional mandate (Romney & Gingrich) you don’t care. It is because you are partisan hacks that could careless as long as a (R) is screwing over the American people.
There really is almost no difference between the last few Republican Presidential nominees and actual democrats. More war, more debt, larger government, more bailouts, less border enforcement and less individual liberty.
wanumba commented:
This just happened in the recall here in AZ… the recall got a 1/3 mix trio of Dems/Independents/Jerk Republicans to tear out a Republican just after he COMFORTABLY won relection inthe general election.
The Libs are all shouting the incumbent was taken out by a “majority” but it’s a bald-faced lie. They didn’t get enough of any one party to overturn the results of the egenral election, so they used recall with a lower turn-out, combined the Indepent with the Dems and turncoat Repub (RINOs) to SQUEAK BY a smaller majority in an election that had 2/3 the turnout of the general election.
It was a majority of the RECALL, a three-way combo of the minority of THREE groups, but NOT AT ALL of the results of the GENERAL ELECTION.
This proves the suspicion ALL along that Ron Paul is a Democrat TOOL used to damage the GOP.
RedBeard commented:
More Liberty posted this vomit: “You NeoCons are morons and hypocrites. Your racism and lust for perpetual war, like the idiot Dems during the 60s, and your lust for big government will be your downfall.”
Wow. So much hate, so much ignorance, so much projection, all in one short paragraph. You have done your master Ron’s bidding well, Young Paulian. Now go forth and speak untruths across the land, and make enemies wherever you go.
bg commented:
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Will Ron Paul kill the caucuses?
Will Ron Paul kill the caucuses?
public polling shows that Paul’s lead is built in
large part with the support of non-Republicans
“They’ll all go back and vote for Obama,”
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bg commented:
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uh, even the newscasters are caling him “Libertarian
Ron Paul who is running in the Republican race, etc..
prove to me how Ron Paul is a “conservative”??
thank you..
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atticcellar commented:
PEACE!! FREEDOM!! LIBERTY!! It’s a Ron Paul revolution!! 2012
bg commented:
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atticcellar #21 December 27, 2011 at 12:38 pm
aka: HOPE & CHANGE!
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deathstar commented:
Ron Paul is a closet Islamist who wants to destroy America.
atticcellar commented:
BG #20 Open your eyes for you are blinded
End the foreign privately owned Federal Reserve Bank = Conservative
Shut down all unnecessary Federal government departments = Conservative
Enforce the War Powers Act “constitutionally passed law of the land = Conservative
Restore sound money as directed by the Constitution = Conservative
End all foreign aid = Conservative
Everything Ron Paul stands for is = Conservative
bg commented:
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RCP December 27, 2011
National
27.6 Gingrich +2.8
24.8 Romney
12.2 Paul
6.6 Perry
6.4 Bachmann
3.6 Santorum
2.0 Huntsman
Iowa
22.3 Paul +1.3
21.0 Romney
14.7 Gingrich
12.0 Perry
8.7 Bachmann
7.7 Santorum
4.0 Huntsman
New Hampshire
35.7 Romney +17.0
18.7 Gingrich
18.0 Paul
11.3 Huntsman
3.3 Bachmann
3.0 Santorum
2.0 Perry
South Carolina
37.0 Gingrich +16.0
21.0 Romney
8.7 Paul
6.7 Bachmann
5.7 Perry
2.7 Santorum
3.3 Huntsman
Florida
43.0 Gingrich +18.2
24.8 Romney
6.3 Paul
4.0 Perry
4.0 Bachmann
2.8 Huntsman
1.8 Santorum
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bg commented:
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atticcellar #24 December 27, 2011 at 12:46 pm
“conservative” my arse..
“in context” = collapse of the US..
Obama & Paul = two sides of the same coin..
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#1AMERICAN commented:
ron paul is nothing more than hot air spewing BS….
squeaky commented:
[Now CNN has magically obtained the sealed records of Newt Gingrich ’s first divorce. Here’s the wonderful story of how this Yuletide journalistic miracle came to pass:...]
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48386
Jayne on Left Coast commented:
A 75 year old,DC insider,who ran on term limits, I guess for other Congress critters not him. I would never vote for any one that old, and the fact that he is a demented anti-Semite he will never get my vote.
bg commented:
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via The Motley Fool
The difference between conservatism and libertarianism
This is inspired by the rich cornucopia of vocal Ron Paul supporters here
on CAPS, and the estimable William F. Buckley, Jr., whose death we mark
as sadder for us than for him.
The difference between libertarians and conservatives is not at all found
in any domestic policy, least of all economic policy. It is that conservatives
have discovered the joys and welfares of aggressive national defense.
An example:
We all know that liberals (as such are called in the U.S.) were in charge
of U.S. policy, both foreign and domestic, for all of the 1930′s and 40′s.
So when and how the U.S. entered World War II was according to liberal
policy. For a fun thought exercise, imagine if libertarians were in charge
of U.S. policy in the 1930′s and 40′s. We would have entered the war at
the same time, but with more materiel and supplies because of the
Great Depression ending much sooner and being much less severe.
Now imagine that conservatives were in charge during the 30′s and
40′s. Same economic policy as the libertarians, and the U.S. enters
the war with the same abundance of materiel and supplies, but there
is a difference: those tanks are rolling over the corpses of Himmler,
Goehring, and Hitler in 1934, and Hideki Tojo and the rest of that
gang in 1937, because we showed up early in both cases and beat
the traffic.
May you be inspired by WFB’s memory to be better writers
than you are, and may you give up your idiotic liberal ideas.
says it all & it’s NOT PAUL..
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bg commented:
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squeaky #28 December 27, 2011 at 1:01 pm
i’ll give a damn when they show US Obama’s BC, School
Records, Medical Records & Senate Records for starters..
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RedBeard commented:
AtticCellar telling someone ELSE to open her eyes is really quite amusing.
Ron Paul is correct and conservative on many issues, mostly domestic. And the rest of the time, he’s crazy as a bedbug. That makes the package intolerable and dangerous.
Sorry, but I’m not voting for someone who can (and often does) flip out at any moment.
bg commented:
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btw, i didn’t realize “conservatives” wanted to “legalize” drugs,
thought that was a Soros aka dhimmicrat progressives quest..
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WillofLa commented:
I have been listening to Rush with Mark Belling sitting in and he explained it very well that Iowa has a open primary. I didn’t know that. Or I had heard it before but didn’t pay attention to it because I didn’t know what that meant. But I do now. It means that if Democrats, Communists, or anyone who wants to mess the primary up, can, and have. I see now how McCain got picked as our candidate now.
If our primaries were strictly Republican, like I believe they used to be before we had all these stupid primaries that were created by Democrats, and again we find that Democrats have been meddling with this nations election process for quite some time. They’ve done it because they figured out a way to scuttle conservatism in this country and we’ve done nothing about it to put an end to Democrat meddling once and for all. Like making these states that don’t have I.D. voting should have been forced to do that with threats to make it a Federal law if they didn’t. That way Democrats would be forced to hold honest elections and I can guarantee you that there wouldn’t be no where as many Democrats messing this country up as there are now in both Houses. Reid would be gone and Pelosi would be nothing, she never would have been speaker of the House in Congress.
So one of the things this President needs to do is they need to understand how this country got messed up to begin with and that is the Socialist Democrats have cheated their way to be in control of the country. That’s how they’ve stayed in power and that is by cheating and also being in control of the very law enforcement authorities who would be stopping them from cheating through organizations like ACORN, and the law suets from the ACLU. All the illegal law suets against Tom DeLay would have never happened. The October Surprise of ’08 would have never happened because Barney Frank would have never been elected if Mass. had a balanced districts and I.D. voting, if that’s what they have. I’m guessing because all these states that I’m seeing that keep being able to keep Democrats in office and they seem to be undefeatable have open voting, hold open primaries, and all sorts of irregularities that no one on our side has forced law enforcement to make arrests of the people who are guilty of voting violations….Democrats!
And, yes, the Republican’s have had a few voting irregularities to, but it’s the Democrats who’ve made a science out of it in order to stay in power so under the control of the Communist Party, have stayed in control and have had a direct hand in causing all the problems this country presently has, and is in. It’s them, not us. It has always been them, and not us. If we ever expect to regain control and start to get things straightened out, then we are going to have to make it impossible for Democrats to regain control ever again. They can still be a Party but I want them reduced down to parity with the Republican Party has been beaten down to. And we don’t have to beat them down. All we have to do is make them honest in how they do everything they do. Make it so they can’t cheat, and force them to be totally transparent in their dealings, like campaign contributions.
The American people deserve to know what big banks and foreign international investment corporations are donating to the Democrats so we can disallow that money and their candidate has to be honest about why they are running. And when the people hear that the Democrat candidate is a Socialist and really not a Democrat then the Democrats will get the votes they deserve, less than 1% they deserve. Want to know who the 1% really are? Socialist and Communist who are trying to take our country away from us. There never would have been a Obama even in office anywhere besides getting to the White House if we can correct the problems the Democrats have caused, like open primaries, and open voting. Close those things and America will return to the nation it should be.
bg commented:
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Ron Paul wants to legalize crystal meth..
Ron Paul wants to legalize drugs, including heroin..
“Just because I favor the legalization of drugs doesn’t mean I’m
in favor of using them. As a physician, I know they’re bad stuff.”
“i wouldn’t vote yes on a Pork bill, but i will
Pork the bill knowing damn well others will”
Ron Paul has a recurring pattern, sort of like Perry’s..
is something wrong with the political water in TX?
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bg commented:
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atticcellar #21 December 27, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Ron Paul Supports Occupy Wall Street, says it’s a ‘Healthy Movement’
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bg commented:
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Ron Paul & Barack Obama
9/11 was AmeriKKKa’s fault!!
more here..
[scrol thread for more]
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atticcellar commented:
BG is a neocon corporatist!
USA holds more of its citizens in prisons than any other nation on earth.. The majority of these prisoners are non violent petty drug offenders.. Dr Paul’s stand.. Let people decide what they do with their bodies. Throwing these people in prison (at my expense!) does not deter drug abuse nor does it even prevent these very people from using drugs as drugs are prolific in the prisons.. These prisons have become huge corporate for profit entities using the population as slave labor harming the labor market in the civilian population. RON PAUL IS A CONSERVITIVE AS HE WANTS TO GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF PEOPLES BUISNESS.. End corporate and public welfare = conservative.. LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PERSUIT OF HAPPIENESS = CONSERVITE..
All other candidates “republicats” are corporatist liberal big government traitors..
RON PAUL… 2012
retire05 commented:
I am constantly amazed at how people support Ron Paul, and become dedicated Paulbots, but have never met the man. But I have and most of the contact with him has been, shall I say, less than pleasant.
I was a precinct chair for his campaign, cutting my political teeth by getting involved. At the time, Paul was running for Congress in my district. But it didn’t take those of us who helped him cross the goal line to realize the man was NOT a man of his word. He promised us that he would only serve two terms, to return to Lake Jackson and his medical practice. Well, that promise went by the wayside with Paul giving us the excuse that term limits had been rejected by Congress so he saw no reason to stick to his original promise. Now, most of us understood that Paul had given US a promise with no caveat depending on the actions of the Congress. i.e. he lied.
Then there was the “rejection of pork” issue. Oh, he made a big splash about how he refused Congressional junkets, but those of us who followed the actions of the Congress, and the bills they passed, quickly learned Paul’s tactics of inserting pork for his district into a bill that he knew had solid support and would pass, only to give his symbolic vote against the bill so that he could say he voted against his own requested pork. And what does it say about a man when Republicans in his old district were more than pleased to see him replaced, by a Democrat (Hinojosa) no less?
Ron Paul is of the belief that if we just legalize drugs, there would be no drug related crimes. Of course, he has no answer for the ever growing power of the Mexican drug cartels who would become even more ferocious, more blood thirsty, more violent as they saw a brand new open and free market for their products. With Paul, the victim is the criminal who is only a criminal because his crime activity is illegal. But I promise you, it is the lure of legalized drugs that garner him some of his support.
Then the whole 9-11 truther thing. Paul was on the Alex Jones show again recently, yet he denied being a truther. Paul denies a lot of things, but never provides explainations for his actions, like going on Alex Jones’ show. Jones is a piece of work who thinks we are being clone by aliens, that FDR planned Pearl Harbor, etc. He is just as nutty as Paul, if not more so.
The Paul letters: having been on the receiving end of those letters, I can say with certainty that everything being said about them is true. But Paul, who now claims he did not write them, and was unaware of their content, has never said WHO did write them. But it matters not; they went out in his name, and it was he, and his family, along with Rockwell, that profited from them.
In 2004, I was selected as a delegate to the Texas GOP convention. I had just contacted Ron Paul’s D.C. office to gain some information on a bill that I was unable to locate. A very nice young man, I believe his name was Justin, if memory serves me right, was quite helpful and really a pleasure to deal with. At Dr. Paul’s hospitality suite at the TxGOP convention, I went up to him to thank him for the help given me by his aide. Paul was rude, saying “That’s what I pay him for and if he doesn’t follow orders, he’s fired.” He then turned to another aide saying, quite rudely “Get me a bottle of water. NOW!”. I advised Dr. Paul he was rude without warrent, and promply left.
The Paulbots need to realize that there are things they disagree with Paul on and it doesn’t matter the issue, Paul is who he is and they will not be able to pick and choose the issues once he is the POTUS. They also need to realize that the crazy old uncle doesn’t get any younger or any less crazy as time goes on.
Paul also claims that is our (U.S.) involvement in the Middle East that caused 9-11. Someone needs to tie him to a chair in Allen West’s office and let West give him a crash course in Islamic aggression from Charles Martel to 9-11 because it is obvious Ron Paul has never read a world history book.
bg commented:
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atticcellar #39 December 27, 2011 at 1:57 pm
not that it matters one iota what you or
i are or are not, you’re not even close..
however, like i keep telling you:
Obama & Paul
-Ron Paul and Barack Obama will not
stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
-Ron Paul and Barack Obama blame the
USA for terrorist attacks against Americans.
-Ron Paul and Barack Obama believe the USA has a history of
being an evil bully in the world and not a force for good in the world.
-Ron Paul and Barack Obama have an
insane following and a cult of personality.
-Ron Paul and Barack Obama believe insane leftist
Dennis Kucinich is qualified to serve in the government.
-Ron Paul and Barack Obama despise conservative Christians.
= two sides of the same coin..
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bg commented:
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In this 2009 video, Ron Paul accuses Israel of creating Hamas
Ron Paul, Howard Gutman and George Soros
At the beginning of this month, US Ambassador to Belgium Howard
Gutman, an Obama bundler, accused Israel of creating anti-Semitism.
George Soros said the same thing in 1999 and in 2003. And now Ron
Paul.
links @ link..
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atticcellar commented:
Republicats Bush/Obama = attack counties that have not violated US
Ron Paul = Require congress to abide by the War Powers Act or get out!
Republicats Bush/Obama = Hand out corporate welfare to banks and huge, to big to fail corporations (IE; theirs contributors) and voting base.
Ron Paul = End entitlement programs of corporations and lazy welfare recipients.
Republicats Bush/Obama = It’s governments business who you are in a relationship (IE; gay/straight)
Ron Paul = It’s none of the governments business.
Republicats Bush/Obama = oppressive, war mongering, anti freedom and liberty corporatist.
Ron Paul = Patriot for Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as laid forth in the Constitution..
Republicats Bush/Obama = steal my money and give it to foreign countries including tyrants and militarist around the globe.
Ron Paul = End all foreign aid!
VOTE FOR FREEDOM.. Ron Paul.. 2012
bg commented:
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donh #2 December 27, 2011 at 10:37 am
key words:
ONLY ABOUT HALF OF (if that much) ARE REPUBLICANS..
don’t believe the “rep vs non rep ratio” being pulled into any
of the others tents are quite equal to approx half non reps..
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Redwine commented:
atticellar, like all Paulbots, is completely deranged.
Crazy Uncle Ron is pushing the game to get Dear Leader reelected.
Totally sick.
bg commented:
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atticcellar #43 December 27, 2011 at 2:36 pm
rhetorical koolaid, oh wait, that was
almost as redundant as your post..
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retire05 commented:
atticceller, you write like the typical Paulbot who doesn’t have a clue what you are talking about and are simply parrotting the words of others.
The U.S. has the right, yes, the RIGHT, to take military actions against those hostile nations that would destroy our national security. It is part of that whole “protect and defend” oath that Ron Paul could not take honestly, as he would not do it. You are so simple as to not understand that part of national security is thwarting an attack, and not waiting until 3,000 Americans are dead before we take action.
Homosexuality? You do understand that Ron Paul will NOT shake the hand of anyone he thinks “might” be gay, don’t you? Or is that part of the Ron Paul persona you were unaware of?
Steal your money and give it to foreign nations? I doubt you have a job providing a pay check to steal from.
You are like every other Paulbot I have ever spoken to who has never met the man, and has no clue as to just how crazy he is. You will continue to defend what Paul calls his “Austrianism” but can you provide any example of Austrian ecomonics every applied to the U.S. government in the last 100 years because Ron Paul damn sure can’t.
Ron Paul supporters can be best described this way:
military avoiding, drug using, anti-war zealots who belong in a cult, not a political party and who have absolutely no understanding of the U.S. Constitution they claim they, and Paul, supports.
atticcellar commented:
Atticcellar = Patriotic, Self Employed Honorably Discharged Veteran!!
I could care less if Ron Paul would shake the hand of a homosexual or any other person for that matter.. I DO CARE that Ron Paul wants to get the government out of peoples buisness (gay,straight,black,white or purple)..
I am all for the defense of the nation when the nation comes under attack!
Once the military action commences I am for following the laws requiring congress to declare the war within the time frame as prescribed by law (as per the constitutionally passed War Powers Act) and defeat the Nation or nations that have attacked the US.
I am against open ended military aggression designed to overthrow the governments of nations that have not attacked us driving my beloved country, which is already endebted to the international banksters to the tune of trillions and trillions of dollars with intrest accuring daily..
I am for Ron Paul… Patriot.. Defender of the Constitution..
Ron Paul… 2012
retire05 commented:
Ron Paul, defender of the Constitution?
Tell that to someone who doesn’t know him, hasn’t worked with him, and has not witnessed his descent into insanity.
You cannot name one instance when Ron Paul, though all his years in Congress, has been even slightly effective. And you ignore his dishonesty about pork, term limits and a miriad of other issues.
Paul is a 1938 isolationist, although he wordsmiths by saying he is a “non-interventionalist”. Same damn difference. He abhors Israel, and would not lift one finger to save them from radical Islamists. He claims the actions of radical Muslims are our fault. He is no different than the apologist we have currently in the Oval Office. Paul also has a nasty habit of starting lies, dreamed up by Alex Jones, about other politicians who realize what a crackpot he really is.
No self respecting veteran would/could support Ron Paul. None.
atticcellar commented:
#49 retire; Is that why Ron get more contribution from both veterans and active duty military than any other candidate?
Patty commented:
Read this yesterday and the whole thing creeps me out. What will happen in the future? I fear it will be despicable. Unlike even the last presidential election.
Rush said some time ago it isn’t going to be pretty but keep the faith.
Patty commented:
Paul: “Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel”
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/27/paul-hamas-was-encouraged-and-really-started-by-israel/
retire05 commented:
atticceller, yes, I know that Dr. Paul claims to receive more donations from active/retired military than anyone else, but where is his proof? Can you provide a link, other than Ron Paul’s own site, that substantiates that claim? Where are all these veterans you claim support that lunatic making commercials supporting him for president? Or have they all been abducted by Alex Jones’ aliens?
I suggest you read the recent articles by Eric Dondero, a man who is now being lied about by the Paul campaign, who finds that being lied about is his reward for years of loyal service as a true believer in Ron Paul until the truth about Dr. Paul became so obvious even he could not avoid it.
I suggest you spend 10 minutes a day for a month on Lew Rockwell’s website if you want to see where Ron Paul is coming from. There is not a penny’s worth of difference between Ron Paul and Rockwell who has been Paul’s good friend for well over two decades.
You do not want to see the truth about Ron Paul. You are simply like the lemmings, following your person Pied Piper and I truely feel sorry for you.
Patty commented:
Republicans want to stay as far away from this crack pot as possible. And yes, he is an isolationist. Scary man and we just seem to have a few top candidate leftovers. God Help us.
atticcellar commented:
Gotta luv the donate to ron paul banner on the top of this page!!
atticcellar commented:
Just do a google search.. This is information as provided by the candidates. If you have ever donated to a political campaign you will know that the out of control big government requires questions about the employment and many other items of personal information that is none of their business.. Just one of the thousands of links to globalist owned main stream media with independent verification of Dr Paul’s claims regarding military contributions..
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1
retire05 commented:
atticceller, according to the U.S. Federal Election commission, the donations are listed by branch, not by rank or position.
So I ask you again; where are all the soldiers that have come out in support of Ron Paul? Where are the ads with Medal of Honor winners, telling the nation we should support Ron Paul? Do you think that the grunts, the ones who actually do the fighting, are going to support someone like Ron Paul who has come out in support of Bradley Manning?
You’re delusional, and hopeless.
Anyone who is active, or retired military, that supports Ron Paul disgraces the uniform they wore.
Patty commented:
Ex-aide calls Rep. Ron Paul’s foreign policy views ‘pure lunacy’
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/201373-ex-aide-ron-paul-anti-afghanistan-war-anti-israel-uncomfortable-around-gays
Patty commented:
Dondero writes that Paul does not believe Israel should exist, that the United States should not have gotten involved in World War II, that the government might have known beforehand about the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and that he planned to vote against the war in Afghanistan before changing his mind for political reasons.
Paul’s campaign pushed back strongly in an email circulated to reporters. Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton described Dondero as “a disgruntled former staffer who was fired for performance issues. He has zero credibility and should not be taken seriously.”
But the piece is getting widely circulated on conservative blogs and websites and could pose a challenge to Paul’s campaign as it seeks to win Iowa’s Jan. 3 caucuses.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/201373-ex-aide-ron-paul-anti-afghanistan-war-anti-israel-uncomfortable-around-gays
read more @ link
donh commented:
Still nobody has answered the reasonable question of why it is OK for Romney or Newt to be liberal democrats posing in Republican name…but its not OK for Ron Paul to be a democrat….At least Paul is honest about it, and he isn’t spreading false expectations by promising policies he has no intention of executing.
atticcellar commented:
retire; as you acknowlge Ron Paul has recieved more military contributions than any other candidate.. What differnce is the rank. I am sorry the rules don’t require this information as you seem to think that the members that donated to Paul shouldn’t count. Services represented are present on the link in my previous post. You are in denial. You will not even accept your own MSM’s findings. YOU DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH!!.. Ron Paul.. Patiot.. Veteran.. And defender of the Constitution.. 2012
paz commented:
Obama, Romney, Reid, Gingrich, Bachmann, Pelosi, and everyone but Dr. Ron Paul are on the same coin. That coin? Slaves to their federal reserve masters. For a group that spies its low tax, cut spending opinions, you’d think they’d flock to Ron Paul instead of the phonies.
retire05 commented:
atticcellar, do you really think those who provide the boots on the ground are going to support someone who thinks that Bradley Manning is a victim? I can promise you, they are not. That doesn’t mean that those who work for the military, even as private contractors, do not donate to Paul. If they are private contractors, they list their employer as U.S. (Army, Navy, AF, Marines) but it doesn’t mean they are the heart, and soul of the military.
And NO, I do not accept what the MSM says, nor the findings of Politifact, an Annenburg group (I suggest you research the connection between Obama, William Ayers and Annenburg). Politifact has spun things to benefit anyone who is a liberal. But Ron Paul is neither, not Republican, not Democrat. He only runs as a Republican because he lost his election running as a Libertarian.
donh, it is not allright for Romney (or Gingrich, since you mention him) to be “liberal Democrats posing in Republican name” as you put it. I am not a supporter of Romney, in any way or fashion. I think he is an opportunistic liar. Gingrich represents Big Goverment, yet he is more acceptable than Romney.
Patty I know Dondero. He is a nice guy, and was a loyal supporter of Ron Paul until Paul became so crazy that he could no longer take it. Now Paul’s campaign is lying about Dondero. Dondero was not fired. He worked for Ron Paul campaigns from 1987 and was a Paul’s senior aide until 2003. It doesn’t take 16 years to find out that someone has “performance issues” as the Paul campaign is now spinning it. He was Paul’s national campaign organizer in ’91-’92, and Paul’s SENIOR aide from 1997 to 2003, but now the Paulbots are claiming he was a “disgruntled” employer who Paul fired. That is a load of bull. Just another one of Ron Paul’s lies.
donh commented:
Well #65 how many of Romney votes are malicious democrats trying to back door Obamunist policy by registering as Republican ? Why get behind another ” Scott Brown ” ideological pervert when the conservatives in Mass are seeking to fire Brown even if it means electing OWS patron saint Elizabeth Warren. If the Republican party is going to committ suicide with far left of center liberlal candidates, I would rather go down with Paul .
retire05 commented:
donh, are you trying to be King of The Strawman Argument? I am NOT a Romney supporter, so I don’t know why you continue with your argument that has no bearing on Ron Paul and his insanity. I also am not a supporter of Scott Brown and advised those who were when he was running for Kennedy’s seat that they were going to be sorely disappointed in him if they thought he was the conservative answer they were looking for.
Now, the only people I know of who support Romney are the NY/DC beltway elites who think they are so much smarter than those of us in flyover country. But does it really matter who the Republican party commits suicide with; Paul or Romney? Either one will set the conservative movement back before the days of Buckley.
bg commented:
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who will get more donations
Obama or Paul
two sides of the same coin..
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bg commented:
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oops re: #68 December 27, 2011 at 5:46 pm bg
forgot flash-forward link..
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bg commented:
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Ron Paul $32,089
wow, i’m so impressed..
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Jon commented:
Sounds like you anti-Paul bobbleheads are going to be the best thing to happen for Obama in 2012. Choose your fake Republican neocons for all we care. Just don’t cry and blame us when Obama gets a second term after the GOP runs against him with the wrong candidate.
Furthermore, with all the mostly ludicrous anti-Ron Paul “material” you come up with it makes look worse than those who suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Some people say that if Ron Paul doesn’t become the pick it’ll be the end of this nation. I’m not sure about that. But i know one thing…it’ll be the end of the GOP.
A Conservative Teacher commented:
Careful, the tin-foil hatters go for blood if you go after their Savior old hope-and-change Paul.
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Jon #71 December 27, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Obama / Paul samo samo..
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paz commented:
Obama/Paul the same? Really?
Obama licks his chops at ANY chance to make the government bigger and spend more of OUR money.
Ron Paul wants to get rid of every useful gov’t department and NOT spend our money.
paz commented:
err useless* departments.
Ron Paul wants to REDUCE the size of the federal government since the current size is unconstitutional, therefore illegal.
I hear the “conservative” pundits talk a lot about the founding fathers and “record spending” but they’re all bought and paid for to give the appropriate message.
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Jon #71 December 27, 2011 at 7:12 pm
ludicrous (anti-) Ron Paul “material”
i agree..
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atticcellar commented:
retire05; You are absolutely right. Paul is not a rebuplicrat. He is an independent running on the republican ticket. He was forced into this due to the fact the MSM would not allow him to participate in the debates unless he belonged to one of the two parties that their masters own.. He has had to run under the Republican party or he would have no gotten any air time. They still have tried to give him as little time as possible.. This seems to have backfired on them as the public is waking up to the fact that the game has been fixed.. Ron Paul, the father of the Tea Party.. The real Tea Party.. Ron Paul.. 2012
J. Craig commented:
Ron Paul is the sanest politician this side of Jessie Jackson. 99% support Ron Paul along with StormFront! Ron Paul in 2012 for a McCain-Obama prosperity, freedom and liberty!
atticcellar commented:
#72 an oxymoron “conservative teacher” give me, give me, I’m important, I’m a teacher, more important than you non teachers, give me free health care, give me a free pension and social security and maybe even another government job as a cherry on top.. My 100,000 dollar per year package is not enough. After all, I baby sit your children all day and teach them lots of stuff they don’t need to know and will never use. On top of it you expect me to work 8 months out of the year (too bad the rest of you have to work all year, pay for your benefits and my benefits too, SUCKERS) We must raise your taxes as I don’t get enough, after all, I am Important, I am a teacher. I really am important.
bg commented:
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paz #74 December 27, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Ron Paul is to the left of Obama on
foreign and some domestic policy..
Ron Paul lies..
bit more here & here & here & here..
i’m sure he’s love to put a few Constitutional amendments back in the
box, not to mention hand US over the the IslaMarxists as Obama is
doing, and there’s no reason to doubt he wouldn’t, he’s been doing it
for at least a decade now..
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Dan Johnson commented:
All these posts attacking ron paul’s message will seem empty when our economy heads off the cliff. In a couple more days we will borrow another 1.5 trillion dollars…wheeee!
Dan Johnson commented:
Also, Ron Paul is mostly right about American foriegn policy. Take the attack-iran to keep them from developing a nuke. In order to remove the threat we would have to prevent them from having any nuclear power what so ever since the tech to develop a crude nuke is fairly easy- its the enriched uranium that is hard to come by and can be dual used for power.
I disagree about not covertly intervening. Future wars/conflicts will involve, cia-spec ops with bags of money supported by drone operators in nevada.
I think the older crowd wants to relive the battle of the bulge/cold war and doesnt realize that like imperial england the polotics of war has changed.
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Dan Johnson #81 December 27, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Obama, Paul, no matter which idiot inherits
the throne, welcome to the NWO.. *sigh*
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retire05 commented:
You notice that not ONE of the Paulbots admit to having met Ron Paul. They simply listen to what he says, and turn a blind eye to what he actually does. If Ron Paul is so great, and can influence so many people, why has he been an abstract failure as a Congressman?
And of course they ignore the $28 MILLION he got in pork for his Texas district in just 2008. Ron Paul, savior, giving the little people their money back, by spending it the way HE thinks it should be spent. And when Republicans were asked to pledge to not submit any pork requests, Ron Paul refused to pledge not to spend our money the way HE thinks it should be spent. He was one of only two Congressmen who refused.
Ron Paul patriot? No, Ron Paul, poseur.
atticcellar commented:
retire; You should retire, You are obsessed with making claims about Dr Paul without providing any proof. It is Ron’s responsibility to get as much of money stolen from his constituents back to his state. If not it will mean money stole from his state will be destined for another state. You say its pork.. Like you say “let’s see the links” showing exactly what you are calling pork.. You are just a liar spreading hate filled misinformation.. Ron Paul… Father of the Tea Party.. 2012
Dan Johnson commented:
Personally, I think our national obsession over the election of one person to one office shows how much power we’ve given up. We should be more passionate about the election of our local officials than one national office.
Patty commented:
#65 December 27, 2011 at 5:05 pm
retire05 commented:
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From, Obama to Paul? I was surprised that Obama was elected. I pray for no more surprises.
Bert commented:
I’ve voted Republican in every election since 1984. I support Ron Paul.
atticcellar commented:
retire.. Now I get you.. Paul fired you and you are disgruntled.. That is the reason for the smears.. You are sour grapes.. Go Ron.. 2012
bg commented:
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Ron Paul is a LIBERTARIAN, not a Republican, go ahead, ask him..
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atticcellar commented:
BG; #90; Who cares.. It’s his conservative policies that matter..
retire05 commented:
atticceller, I was never a paid aide to Ron Paul. It didn’t take me long (one year) to learn just how deranged Paul is by being a volunteer.
Now, as to my providing a link for Paul’s pork projects, why don’t you just wander on over to CAGW.org and check it out. You do know how to do internet research, don’t you? Or have they not taught you that at the Ron Paul School of Propaganda?
How is taking money from taxpayers, only to give it back to them in programs that you deem suitable, being a Constitutionalist? How about not taking the money from the taxpayer in the first place, and fighting for lower tax rates? Because Paul likes to see his name attached to the pork so he can go back to Lake Jackson and brag how he brought the bacon home. Too bad most of his constituents can’t afford the eggs to go with that bacon because Paul has failed to do his job as a Congressman.
Ron Paul will lose the presidental primary, and he has already said he will retire at the end of this Congressional term (yea). The day he retires will be the only day he has ever done anything that I agree with. But hey, you continue to buy into his lies and obfuscations. It’s what he lives for. And maybe, just maybe, he can get a joint gig with Alex Jones.
Ah, nevermind, Paul made enough money off his racist letters that he should be able to live quite well.
Molon Labe commented:
I think I shall never see a sight as ugly as a Ronbot. No siree, I know I will never hear a comment as vapid as a Ronbot extrolling Ron’s insanity. I hope I will never see another Ronbot once this crazed man is placed in restraints. No finer sight I could ever hope to see, yes siree!
Craig commented:
BG, you are America ennemy No. 1
Get out of your transe! You wicked old lady!
Craig commented:
Anticellar, you are the only SANE person on this blog.
I beleive Ron Paul fired Retarded 05 because he is probably the guy who wrote the racist news letters…lol
Westie commented:
Wow, if only the nasty Repub’s (Lefty disruptors?) would train the venom on the Obama Left instead of piling on Paul, Perry, Palin, Bachmann, etc., etc., we’d actually start to remove the progs on both side of the aisle. This hatred will do more to push the Tea Party away from both parties as a Gringrich or Romney are little more than a brace of Progressives with Big Government love!
The result is going to be a third party run or possibly two third party runs and a guaranteed 2nd term for BHO.
RedBeard commented:
These Ron Paul threads are fun. They attract robotic Paulian minions like a picnic attracts ants. Well, except that the ants have a purpose in the universal order of things.
RedBeard commented:
Westie, you want to remove the distractions and get on with defeating Obama? Then get rid of Ron Paul. He’s the biggest distraction of all. The noise coming from him and his legion of cult-like devotees drowns out the legitimate campaigning and corrupts the message.
Not A Rawn PAwLLLL Cultist commented:
I agree with #23.
Why do people let annoying agressive cultists badger them into supporting their guru?
We saw this with OBama and now we are seeing it with Ron Paul. It’s really scik,
voiceofseven commented:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty
from a Democratic Homosexual Christian that will be voting for RON instead of Barry_ put that on CNN tonight and see if it flys
Julian Alien commented:
Wow, I checked out this site and I read the comments and I decided that this is where the stupid people hang.Those Ron Paul guys are making you look even dumber than you make yourselves look,if that is possible.Read a book.Eat some veggies,or get out of your parents home and try living on your own for awhile,downtown,get nitty gritty with the townsfolk.Harden up softies,you know.
sibbo commented:
Oh media… implying that somehow across the board bipartisan support from the American people is a bad thing XD
Hardcore neocons don’t win elections, independents and cross overs do…