Governor Rick Perry Unveils 20% Flat Tax Plan


Governor Rick Perry unveiled his 20% flat tax and spending plan tonight. The plan will give individuals the option of paying a 20% flat-rate income tax. It will also cap federal spending at 18% of GDP. Another selling point – the simple 20% flat tax will allow Americans to file their taxes on a postcard, saving up to $483 billion in compliance costs.
Sounds good.

Steve Forbes was impressed. He endorsed the plan on Monday.

The National Journal reported:

Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry unveiled a sweeping economic agenda Monday, highlighted by a plan to level a voluntary 20 percent “flat tax” on all taxpayers who will accept it in place of what they’re paying now.

The plan, outlined in a Wall Street Journal op-ed column a day before the Texas governor was set to announce it in South Carolina, also calls for capping federal spending at 18 percent of the country’s GDP while allowing younger earners to privatize their Social Security accounts — a controversial proposal that echoes President George W. Bush’s failed 2005 attempt to overhaul the retirement program.

But the most significant feature of Perry’s plan is his call for a flat tax rate of 20 percent. Taxpayers who don’t want to pay a 20 percent flat income tax, he said, can keep their current rate.Current marginal income tax rates range from 10 percent to 35 percent, depending on taxpayers’ income.

Perry offers several proposals that appear designed to sweeten the offer — and to counter criticism that the flat tax is regressive, taking a proportionally bigger bite from smaller incomes. His plan would preserve popular deductions for mortgage interest and donations to charity for households earning less than $500,000 a year. It would increase the standard deduction to $12,500.

But Perry would eliminate other tax breaks. He argues that a streamed-down tax code (so simple, he says taxpayers can file on a postcard), along with spending cuts and entitlement changes, will stimulate the economy.

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  • Patty

    Perry can come up with all the whistles and games but that doesn’t make him a great debater.

    He will be eating Obama’s dust in a debate.

    Yes, Obama. Warts and all.

    see where Forbes endorsed Perry. Sounds good but I think Perry will have a big problem debating Obama.

  • bg

    ++

    WSJ AUGUST 19, 2011

    Perry’s Texas Tax Plan Runs Into Criticism

    [For instance, the tax initially wasn’t levied on businesses with total
    revenue of less than $300,000. But at the request of Mr. Perry, that
    threshold was raised to $1 million through 2014. That has lowered
    taxes for 40,000 small businesses, Ms. Nashed said. The governor’s
    philosophy is that “there’s no such thing as a tax that doesn’t tax
    enough,” she said.

    [..]

    As a result, Texas relies heavily on its sales tax, through which
    poorer families pay a larger share of their income, though the
    state does exempt groceries, medications and some other items.

    The poorest 20% of Texans paid an average of 6% of their income in
    sales tax, while the top fifth—households with an income of roughly
    more than $126,000—paid 1.3%, according to an analysis from the
    office of the Texas Comptroller, the independently elected steward
    of the state’s finances.

    “Texas is not a low-tax state if you’re low-income,” Mr. McCown said.]

    ==

  • Molon Labe

    Without a Constitutional Amendment this solves zero. Those who don’t pay will not opt for it. Most of the middle class will be squeezed. The rich get a tax break. A flat 15% sales tax is what is needed. No deductions.

    No taxes on divideneds under 10,000 total, then 15% rate kicks in. No estate taxes on estates of under 5 million. End of all fees, and federal special taxes.

    This is a sales pitch, nothing more.

  • Molon Labe

    BG-Texas also has a lower parasite population than most other states.

  • Estragon

    Nearly half of Americans with income pay no tax on it beyond payroll taxes (which carry their own expected benefits). Everyone except the truly poor should have some skin in the game.

    So this “flat tax” isn’t very flat if it allows people to continue paying nothing while reaping benefits. And the fact it can be filed on a postcard doesn’t help if you still have to pay an accountant to figure out whether the current system or the flat tax is better in your situation.

    Forbes’ original Flat Tax proposal was a lot closer to what we need.

    Any reform plan needs to end the practice of rebating tax credits to those who paid no tax. The limit of your refund should be the withholding tax you paid. Allow credits to carry forward for businesses, but the tax system should not be operating as another welfare system, which it does with the EITC and other credits which allow people to get back more than they paid.

  • AZDesertDweller

    Forbes wrote the plan. It was 17% when he was running.

  • Now if he can just get through a debate without having a series of mini-seizures…

  • Diamond Girl

    This will go ‘Nowhere’ fast!

  • Barb

    All Texans pay a 8.5% state sales tax, we do not have a state tax. Any one will win over BO! We have NOT seen what our taxes will be if OB wins a second term… TRY maybe 70%-80% federal tax on us with all the trillions he is spending or maybe our country will just collapse and we will have nothing.

  • Rob

    Wow… no Perry fans here…. Perry 2012. The system as it is, is imploding. Vote Dem for more pain or Romney for RINO squish… jUst GOP in charge of big government.

    Debates? REally? It won’t matter one bit. The MSM will shape whatever happens. STRAW MAN argument. It matters not who the GOP nominates against the President. Just like with McCain, they will build ’em up, and once a RINO is picked, they will eviscerate him. Might as well pick a conservative and focus on a larger House majority; taking the Senate, and installing a true conservative in the WH what opposes what we have now.

  • bg

    ++

    an interesting read, well, except for the personal opinion descripts..

    [In 1996, Steve Forbes, multimillionaire son of magazine publisher Malcolm Forbes, entered the Republican presidential contest. In circumstances that could be a template for Cain’s campaign, the political neophyte challenged a vulnerable Democratic incumbent whose party had suffered steep losses in the preceding midterm elections.

    Like his predecessors, Forbes billed himself as a common-sensical outsider and offered a simple, compelling prescription for the nation’s woes. He sought to scrap the Internal Revenue Service, eliminate the complex federal Tax Code and replace it with a flat 17 percent tax on income. Except for personal allowances, which would exempt low-income taxpayers from any obligation, all economic activity would be treated equally. A simple postcard would replace all tax forms.]

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  • apodoca

    If 10% is good enough for God, it had better be good enough for the government, of which we want less and not more.

  • bg
  • bg

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    re: #13 October 25, 2011 at 1:51 am bg

    Good Enough For The Federal Government ..

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  • Sandy

    Debating is just rope-a-dope. Those who can look sincere while talking gobble-di-gook usually come out on top. But Perry is a successful governor at a time when most states are failing — so when he speaks I listen.

  • Perry just made a great case for 9,9,9.

    20 percent across the board is too much.

    Rich O.K. With it but the general population is

    Not. Perry has just flushed himself. Sorry Jim

    He’s a terd.

    Powder is dry

  • Ed Wallis

    Another Perry FAIL. Sounds good until you realize he allows anyone who prefers to “opt out” (sound familiar?!?) and stay on the current tax code…YOU KNOW…like th 47% of us who CURRENTLY PAY NO FEDERAL TAXES.

  • For all his faults and recent misbehavior, best plan yet imho

  • #18

    Are you Ronnie Reagan? Cuz Michael would

    Never go for this. True conservatives keep taxes

    Low. Near 1/4 of all I earn goes to the Fed,

    I think not. Perry is done, gig him with a fork.

    Powder is dry

  • workingclass artist

    Perry’s plan better than Cain’s nein nein nein which will never get passed in Congress. It’s a transitional tax (reform) plan which will boost the economy, addresses SS# option for the youngsters & identifies the elephant of spending.
    Perry will most likely introduce a spending cuts package next…

    Perry has stared down the legislature to cut spending and balanced the state budget 6 times, the last session preserving the rainy day fund from depletion. The rainy day fund will be back up to $7 Billion by 2013 due to sales tax receipts moving back to 2008 levels this year.

    Newt will complete the Cain takedown in the 2 man debate in Texas.

    Gig Em’
    Perry 2012

  • Mark S.

    Definite fail on this one…. so you can continue to pay an “income tax” on what you’re paying now… or you can pay 20% with the primary identical key deductions…

    47% (or whatever number it is at the moment) who pay 0%… have the chance to pay 20%? Yeah, right .. like that’s GOING to really improve anything

    I don’t remember if Forbes plan allowed people to choose whether or not to continue on their current level (in other words 0%’ers paid 0% still), but for some reason I don’t seem to remember there being an “opt out” option… I do remember that the 17% number was still considered extremely high at the time and one of the big reasons it fell flat… and now Perry wants it to be 20%?

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  • Crushed by his own advisors.

    Joe schmo citizen will not vote for Perry due to

    This. Class envy and warfare is too well entrenched.

    This 20% will end his campaign. Remember the man

    In the WH changes from time to time.

    Limited government, not bigger and well funded.

    Rip apart much of what is government.

    I want more of my money to stay with me and

    Less of the 800 lb gorilla that is Washington.

    Powder is dry

  • sandbox

    Perry’s previous writing/speeches on social security system–that it’s a Ponzi scheme and it should become a state program–have made him, IMO, unelectable. It’s too bad, because he has alot of other good qualities.

  • Dave

    Do some of you really believe that Cain invented the flat tax? Perry had a “dream team” working on this plan. Forbes did not write it. Sarah Palin did not invent drilling. And social security is a ponzi scheme. You may not like what he says but he speaks the truth.

  • Spider

    Perry, Cain, and distant third, Mittens.

    The republican debates have been ridiculus.

    Perry will be ready for Obama.

    He will force O to talk about all the untouchable topics from the last 4 years.

    It will be a beautiful thing to watch O sputtering on about his trip to Pok-ee-stan, the great ‘Christian’ Rev Wright, and all those Hyde park chums: Rezko, Ayers, Daley, Jarret, et al.

  • Spider

    Perry is also mostly inoculated against O

    All the non-conservative things Perry has been acused of are Big time Democratic gotta haves

    So they will not be debate or campaign issues against Perry, cause Obama is a champion of all of them: soft on immigration, mandated vaccinations, Islamic love in the schools, etc.

  • I need to see the details of the “opt out” business. It can’t be as simple and self-defeating as it seems from that short blurb.

    But it does seem that reports of Perry’s death have been greatly exaggerated.

  • daryl

    If this is what you want to see the morning after the 2012 election, nominate Cain.

    President Map – Election Results 2008

    Obama 365

    (mc)Cain 173

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html

  • Jenny

    Go back and look at videos on youtube of obama’s performances during the 2008 debates. He does not do well. Why does he have to have a teleprompter if he’s so great?

    The other issue is compare health care costs in TX vs MA or any other state, really. Why isn’t the Perry team more vocal about how low health care costs are in his state? What did he do to make them lower? THIS is what the people want – lower health care costs and insurance rates for all; the Republican ideas of tort reform, competition across state lines weren’t a part of the discussion or were shot down during the health care debates.

    2012 will be painful for a lot of families dealing with higher premiums through their workplaces and no choices but higher deductibles no option for copays (At least 3 different insurance companies are doing this). IMO it’s a part of the plan to force people off their insurance and into government run insurance. This is a pain point Perry can effectively capitalize on. I wish he would do it.

    And where does Herman Cain stand on global warming? If he supports Romney, then I’m assuming he believes in the fairy tale too.

  • Spider

    Perry on CNBC right now getting interviewed by liberal shill John Harewood

    He is doing great!

    Talking about his tax plan and cutting spending

    Harewood and the punk Sorkin are trying to spin it away.

    But is was a nicely planted conservative flag.

  • Spider

    Joe Kernan is piling on

    Perry haters will be hard to turn

    No problem, keep teh Won

  • Mark1957

    Perry is truely gifted at speaking out of both sides of his arse, first there was the Texas Dream Act, then he called social security a ponzi scheme, ( which it is ), but then says that States should run the ponzi scheme. Now we have not one tax code but two! You can have a flat tax, or choose door number two and keep the old 86 thousand page system. Call me cynical but i’m tired of career politicians who will say and do anything for a vote.

  • Spider

    Next segment of CNBC is continuing to try and bash Perry – Faber, Quintanella, and loud mouth Cramer. Trying to make him out to be a ‘birther’; he’s not falling for their BS.

    Keep it up cause the sound bites they’re showing of Perry are actually quite articulate.

    The MSM will tell us who the nominee should be by the inverse amount of hatred and invective then direct at them.

  • Spider

    This election will be the final downfall of the Lame Stream Media

    They used up all their ‘gravitas’ in 2008

    They will be exposed as the propaganda arm of the Democratic party this time

    American’s can be fooled once, but not a second time.

  • bg

    ++

    Dear Perry supporters..

    albeit Cain, win or lose..

    ala McCain v Obama intimidation tactics don’t work anymore..

    ==

  • Spider

    Perry said his grades were on the front page of the paper…..

    Our esteemed professor, emeritus, constitutional, 57 state, presidential scholar?

    Not so much.

    P.s. They’re saying Mittens was an A student. Yea!

  • Peggy R

    20% is still psychologically too high, especially for families. 15% is a good number. 10% even better. And all income levels must pay that flat rate. Santorum is right that a tax scheme must be beneficial to families and not discourage marriage and having children. I don’t want to perpetuate all the deductions, so a flat tax must be do-able for families, too.

  • Liz

    Why not 10%? Perry is a big spender with a flat forehead.

  • Ron Paul 2012 ?

  • the only tax plan i’m for is one that puts LESS money inthe hands of the politicans and keeps MORE in the paychecks of the american worker. if we don’t take back the rifgt to fruits of our labor from the politicans we are headed to complete tyranny.

  • FedUp

    Perry or Romney??? We’ve had enough RINO’s and Cain ain’t gonna fly. At least Perry has a track record – BO – not so much until now. Romney? He’s been campaigning for so long he’s turning into BO!

  • One question: Why all the vitriolic internecine warfare? It does nothing but provide talking points for the lefties.

    We need to save that anger for the real enemy, Barack Obama.

  • Ripped

    This is complete BS…”Taxpayers who don’t want to pay a 20 percent flat income tax, he said, can keep their current rate.”

    Perry is a buffoon to even consider this, this makes Barry’s feeble attempt at another failed mortgage bailout seem intelligent.

    Ron Paul is the only one worthy of our trust. Ron Paul 2012, because honesty, integrity and principles are more than just buzzwords.

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  • bg

    ++

    Spider #37 October 25, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Perry

    [But a D in Principles of Economics? Supporters who tout Texas’
    jobs numbers
    could nominate Perry for Most Improved. But critics
    who cite the state’s first-place spot (tied with Mississippi) for the
    highest percentage of workers who earn minimum wage or less
    might give the governor a failing grade.

    “If you want to grade the governor on jobs and the economy,
    it’s an A-plus,” said Mark Miner, Perry’s spokesperson.]

    Romney

    [Romney attended Stanford University for one year and then moved to France to serve as a Mormon missionary for 30 months. When he returned to the USA, Ann had started attending Brigham Young University and Romney decided to join her there. He graduated from BYU in 1971, where he studied English and earned a Bachelor of Arts degree. Then, at his father’s urging, Romney decided to pursue a joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration degree at Harvard. In 1975, he graduated cum laude from the school and was named a Baker Scholar for being in the top five percent of his class.]

    ==

  • daryl

    Only for those too ignorant to see what nominating [mc] Cain will result in #36.
    Posting a catchy video clip on youtube ain’t gonna cut it, and that’s a fact that doesn’t need a link. thankye, thankyeverymuch.

  • bg

    ++

    Ripped #44 October 25, 2011 at 9:42 am

    re: because honesty, integrity and principles
    are more than just buzzwords.

    [Congressman Ron Paul has made a handy video to put forth his lies,
    distortions, and ignorance on the subject of secession. Let’s see what
    he has to say.

    [Rick Perry] was restating a principle that was long held, at least in
    the original time of our country, and that is, that there was a right of
    secession.

    One searches in vain for any evidence to support this assertion. It’s not in the Federalist Papers. It’s not even in the Anti-Federalist Papers. It’s not in the debates at the Constitutional Convention, or at the ratification conventions. In fact, the word “secession” does not appear in these places because secession was an idea developed by southern intellectuals in the three decades or so prior to the Civil War. Yes, the founders spoke at length about revolution, but revolution is categorically different from secession. Revolution is an inalienable individual right: it is the right of the people to throw off government that systematically violates their liberties. Secession, on the other hand, is a purported right of sovereignties—of collective entities (i.e., states).]

    ==

  • daryl

    You’re reaching now! The old boarding house reach.

  • daryl

    Some would even call it grasping straws. but going down for the third, fourth time I guess you’ll grasp at anyhing that floats.
    ppsssshhhhhhhhh. but don’t bet it will stay afloat.

  • workingclass artist

    “Update: The Club for Growth likes the Perry plan — a lot. They also take a swipe at Romney:

    “Rick Perry’s plan for tax reform would be massively pro-growth,” said Club for Growth President Chris Chocola. “A Flat Tax like the one proposed by Perry would unleash years of economic growth if it is passed into law. Furthermore, eliminating the tax on dividends and capital gains would immediately add trillions of dollars in new wealth to the economy, benefiting all Americans. Perry clearly understands that revitalizing the economy should start with a complete overhaul of a tax code that has nearly choked economic growth to death. Conservatives looking for a champion to carry the banner of a pro-growth tax reform will surely rally behind this bold proposal.”

    “I continue to be disappointed that Governor Romney has yet to embrace a flat or fair tax,” added Club for Growth President Chris Chocola. “He would be wise to avoid using class warfare when comparing his current proposals to those of Governor Perry or Herman Cain. The Club for Growth is looking for bold leadership on tax reform from the Republican nominee – not demagoguery or platitudes.”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/25/conference-call-perrys-economic-plan/

  • bg

    ++

    daryl #47 October 25, 2011 at 9:56 am

    didn’t post a catchy video in #36 October 25, 2011 at 8:27 am bg

    oh wait..

    there ya go..

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  • daryl

    At this time in ’07 Ron Paul was in the lead by double digits and had several millions in his election fund. pshhhhh. He’ll not get that much altitude this trip.

  • daryl

    I don’t use you links anymore, but thankye, thankyeverymuch.

  • workingclass artist

    @#44

    Ron Paul is a disaster….but go ahead and send him your money.

    Ron Paul will never recover from his Iran should have a bomb comment….he will retire after spending his campaign money. He’ll sell books and maybe serve BBQ to his acolytes who wander over to worship at his feet.
    Sheeeesh!

  • bg
  • daryl

    For those suffering incomprehensibilities I was referring to (mc) Cains little youtube shoestring video. Bet that cost him a hefty chunk of his two or three hundred thousand dollar war-chest.
    Stars like that Block character don’t work cheap and unless he rolled it himself(highly possible from the looks of it) ol’ Cain had to spring for a pack of smokeswhich are not cheap any more either.

  • bg

    ++

    daryl #54 October 25, 2011 at 10:13 am

    not my link per se, but hey, i don’t give
    a bats guano what you do or don’t do..

    as a matter of fact, for some strange reason i feel i should
    thank you, as irony would have it, it feels like “closure”..

    ==

  • daryl

    I don’t normally use a word like incomprehensibilities because terms like “can’t get it through their overly thick occipital regions and there I go again. Should have just said ‘thick skulls’.

  • daryl

    glad I could be of some help. also glad you realised you were way too far into the deeeeeep end. you did relise that too didn’t you, ’cause if not you may think you’re better when in all reality you’re way worse. a little prayer please, for her eyes finally having opening yall. chuckle…..
    hey i could be rotflmao

    it’s funny but for some reason i don’t believe a damned thing you say. wonder why that is.

  • daryl

    sorry.. still can’t use your links after one of them almost broke down my firewall last week. Thanks to Norton for that “Internet Security”.

  • bg

    ++

    daryl #61 October 25, 2011 at 10:40 am

    rotflmbo!!

    that’s some bulls hit daryl..

    been posting at GP for years, never been so falsely accused by
    the most negative of opposition lies.. ergo, good luck with that..

    ==

  • daryl

    Just saying what happened dear.
    But
    Feel free to disbelieve me just as I do you. Seems fair to me.

  • daryl

    And it’s highly probable as old as some of those links are. days,weeks,months and in some cases, years.
    they’ve had plenty of time to gain a virus since you last acceseed them. just saying.

  • bg

    ++

    daryl

    not going to work daryl..

    anyone with half a brain can read your progressive
    posts building up to your outright stupid accusation..

    desperate is as desperate does.. *sigh*

    ==

  • bg
  • Gary

    yeah something doesn’t make sense here. If he leaves it as an option, then it isn’t flat.

    BTW, I have to set the record straight:
    Perry is not a bad debater, he just plays one on TV.

  • Gary

    I do have to add that criticism of any plan for taxing the poor 6% of their money (as mentioned in a post above) is not a valid conservative criticism. That’s a liberal one. We need everybody to have skin in the game, even the poor, and even a paltry 6%.
    I don’t care if it causes them “hardship”.
    If they don’t have one penny of their own money in the game, but stand to gain a lot of other people’s dollars, then they shouldn’t be voting for representatives who ultimately say who has money taken away and who has it gifted to them.
    Where is the fairness in having poor people pay no tax or having a “refund” gifted to them and giving them equal say over a vast wealth of tax revenue that they didn’t contribute to?

    I would like to see legislation that tracks the amount of welfare individuals and joint filing couples take in, and if they’re net tax payout is exceeded or equaled by their welfare gains, “no vote for you”.
    Then the country would turn around in a couple of election cycles.

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  • workingclass artist

    Rush likes Perry’s plan.

    The optional part of the plan is smart politically because it neutralizes the democrats usual argument against a flat tax as being a tax against the poor & middle class.
    Perry is smart to focus on releasing capital for investment and job creation.

    “What I care about is them having the dollars to invest in their companies. To go out and maybe start a business because they got the confidence again because they actually get to keep more of what they work for. If that’s what comes, I’ll take that criticism. Because what I’m interested in is getting Americans working…” – Gov. Perry
    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/25/10-questions-for-rick-perry/

  • daryl

    Didn’t wait a week unless there’s only four days in yours. Norton Utilities
    only called my attention to it when it reported it on it’s weekly log.
    NOT “chasing your tail” dear. I’ve much better stuff to chase than someone parked in front of a keyboard for days and nights on end. Ever think about getting a real job or are you satisfied with your lot in life?
    Air must be thin up there on your lofty perch is all I can figure. Are you suffering from low
    oxygen supply to the knot you call a brain or do you go paranoid like this often?

  • daryl

    I asked you to please NOT call me a liar once, now you’ve done it again. No ‘conservative’ I know acts the way you act.

  • workingclass artist

    It’s fabulous…I like it.It’s a good plan” – Rush Limbaugh on Gov. Perry’s tax plan.

  • workingclass artist

    Its a good plan…like Perry’s energy + jobs security plan it has great components for reform.

    “Overall, while the tax plan has some excellent components and some ok ones, the spending plan is phenomenal. It is truly heartwarming to see the RSC’s Cut, Cap, and balance plan – a pipe dream of a few conservatives in Congress – actually become major national policy. I would just caution that a spending goal of 18% of GDP would require the elimination of several more cabinet-level departments…”
    http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/10/25/a-conservative-look-at-perrys-economic-plan/

  • workingclass artist

    Paul Burka has major egg on his face this morning.

  • daryl

    Listening to Rush as we speak workingclass.
    Doubt our nemesis heard it so it won’t be believed.
    I think Perry ought to approach Newt and talk some kind of teamwork deal. Think that’s too far out of the question for those two to bring it home?

  • daryl

    Also workingclass, what’s your take on this Newt- Cain, so called Lincoln/Douglas debate they’ve cooked up for the 5th of November? Just something to make Cain look better, or serious stuff

  • Gary

    but don’t you agree that making it optional is self-nullifying?
    The part conservatives don’t like most about our current tax system is that it lets almost half of would-be taxpayers off the hook altogether.
    Why would any of them opt to pay 20% when they currently get it all refunded and then some?
    Doesn’t make sense. More details please.

  • bg

    ++

    LOL..

    like it’s a secret that Rush is backing
    Perry, told you that from the get go..

    but regardless of the fix for Perry being
    in (in ruins hopefully) and at any rate..

    And Now We Know Why Rick Perry Is Freaking Out

    [Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s has shaken up his presidential campaign,
    released an unrealistic tax plan, and flirted with birtherism — and
    now we know why. He has completely collapsed in the polls.

    A new New York Times/CBS News national poll has Perry in fifth place
    in the race for the Republican nomination with the support of just six
    percent of likely GOP voters.

    He polls behind former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, who’s
    campaign was left for dead earlier this year — and behind Rep. Ron
    Paul, whose libertarian views are anathema to most of the country.]

    ==

  • daryl

    Polls Schmoles
    Why do the low iq element hang on like a drowning person to their pooooollss. don’t you know that for each one you classify as ‘positive’ there’s another that’s ‘negative’.
    It’s similar to a border collie keeping the sheep in rtheir respective herds.

    Misleading Polls from the Pope Civitas Institute « Democracy North Carolina Blog

    http://www.democracy-nc.org/news/blog/2011/02/03/misleading-polls-from-the-pope-civitas-institute/

  • daryl

    giggle, chuckle,snicker (trying to stay off the floor) Poor devil just has five employees on his campaign team. Palin has more than that and didn’t even run.
    Hear where half of Bachmanns campaign teamquit and went to work
    for ol’ Rick? giggle How much did you send him, hmmmm??

    Sell more books. Fleece ’em while they’re hot for me.

    NBC Portrays Herman Cain’s Presidential Run as Money-Making Scheme

    http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2011/20111021032500.aspx

  • GREAT Plan Perry has, I LOVE it.

  • bg

    ++

    daryl #80 October 25, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    your point being what, they have a
    different, albeit slanted, opinion??

    daryl #81 October 25, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    NBC Portrays Herman Cain’s Presidential
    Run as Money-Making Scheme

    not that it was/is, duh..

    you totally misrepresented what the article is about..

    it’s about exposing media bias..

    proving Cain did absolutely nothing of the sort..

    and may i add, most especially vs Rick Perry’s shenanigans

    btw: DID YOU READ THE LINKS ADDRESS??

    damn liberals and their freakin’ comprehension problems, gah!!

    ==

  • daryl

    “you totally misrepresented what the article is about.. it’s about exposing media bias..”

    “damn liberals and their freakin’ comprehension problems, gah!!”

    Never stopped you from posting liberal links against Perry and you damned well know if it served your purpose did it?
    How’s it feel, dearie?

  • daryl

    NBC’s Isikoff Warns Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan May Mean ‘More Pain’ for ‘Struggling Families’

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2011/10/16/nbcs-isikoff-warns-cains-9-9-9-plan-may-mean-more-pain-struggling-fam

  • bg

    ++

    ps: re: #83 October 25, 2011 at 1:38 pm bg

    via your link: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: February 3, 2011

    HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HERMAN CAIN!! (_fitb_)

    via my link:

    [Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s has shaken up his presidential campaign,
    released an unrealistic tax plan, and flirted with birtherism — and
    now we know why. He has completely collapsed in the polls.

    A new New York Times/CBS News national poll has Perry in fifth place
    in the race for the Republican nomination with the support of just six
    percent of likely GOP voters.

    He polls behind former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, who’s
    campaign was left for dead earlier this year — and behind Rep. Ron
    Paul, whose libertarian views are anathema to most of the country.]

    ==

  • daryl

    Just samples of what the leftist media has in store for “cornbread”.

  • republicans are a cult believing in a generic God. they worship wealth and power, and us commoners will suffer even more if one of these nut case, religious fanantic,loons become president. thank God palin is finished,a evil despecable woman who fleeced her flock for all she could get to live a life of luxury. did jesus take from the poor to give to the rich? who on this board are rich, i wonder. watch out obama is a decent man who did not VOTE for war in iraq ,that bankrupted our country. thati s why i trust him.

  • daryl

    “A new New York Times/CBS News national poll”

    What do you expect from them, they’re liberals.
    It’s OK for you to use your liberal links but I’m a liberal if I do?
    I don’t play by your rules

  • bg

    ++

    daryl #85 October 25, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Paul Ryan

    Arthur Laffer

    Stephen Moore

    Herman Cain 9-9-9

    again, your point??

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    daryl & francesca..

    have fun with each other & who knows, maybe workingclass artist
    & you know who else will join in & you all can have a verbal tryst..

    /larc sarc/

    ==

  • Spider

    Oh please troll, can you move on, we have work to do.

  • workingclass artist

    @#77 Daryl

    Newt will destroy Cain by showing up Cain’s obvious lack of knowledge in governance. The nuts & bolts of legislation and how this relates to the executive.
    Cain is running on a populist platform as the anti-politician but the problem with that is how can Cain expect to accomplish anything if he doesn’t understand the nuts & bolts of pushing through legislation. Cain is a typical autocrat like Perot was. Romney is a legislative laydown.

    The only 2 contenders with the cojones to take on congress for reforms would be either Perry or Gingrich. The problem with Gingrich is he isn’t exactly reliable and can be a bit politically bi-polar. He has a twisted history with conservatives and Boehner led the effort to oust his obnoxious ass from his speaker’s position way back when.

    I think Perry has a better chance of achieving the reforms, the tax plan and the energy plan. He can sell it to congressional leadership.
    Newt will take him down with a polite smirk on his face.

  • daryl

    Old “sybil” is like Puff the magic dragon. Crawls off to the cave.
    But she can’t disrupt the main board if she’s distracted with her own bs.

  • workingclass artist

    “Together with his already announced energy plan, Rick Perry’s flat tax plan is a solid and serious effort that’s bold yet well within the GOP mainstream. It avoids gimmickry, deals with the mess that is our current tax code and introduces Social Security reform that could see to that program’s future viability. Overall it is a very pro-growth plan that rolls back much of the damage President Obama has done. Time will tell whether Perry’s plan changes the game or not.”

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/25/perrys-cut-balance-and-grow-plan-the-details/

    One big difference between Perry’s plan and Ginriche’s plan is the treatment of short term capital gains. Newt exempts them and Perry doesn’t.
    With Perry’s plan it assures market stability & corporate long term planning. The rate is a little high but perhaps needed since it might discourage speculation….which Gingrich ignores.

  • bg

    ++

    re: daryl #80 October 25, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Civitas Institute; February 3, 2011

    re: #86 October 25, 2011 at 1:48 pm bg

    correct poll link: October 20, 2011

    Civitas Poll: Cain Leads Obama in N.C.

    [Raleigh, N.C. – A new poll by the Civitas Institute shows Republican
    presidential candidate Herman Cain leading Democratic incumbent
    Barack Obama by five percent among North Carolina voters.

    Cain is the choice of 46 percent of North Carolina voters if the election
    for President of the United States was today and the candidates were
    Herman Cain the Republican, and Barack Obama the Democrat. Forty-
    one percent said they would vote for Obama, and 10 percent said they
    are undecided.

    Cain has the support of 81 percent of Republicans along with 50 percent
    of unaffiliated voters. Democratic voters would vote for Obama by a 68
    percent to 19 percent margin.

    “Just as is happening nationally, we are seeing a swell of support for
    Herman Cain in North Carolina,” said Civitas Institute President Francis
    De Luca.]

    ==

  • daryl

    I’m staying with Perry too workingclass.
    And I like the Perot analogy of Cain except Cain has no funding.. Unless Newt decides to play patty-cake with Cain I don’t think there will be much of a debate either.

  • daryl

    Just “vetting” your sources’cause you won’t.

  • daryl

    And North Carolina voted Obama in ’08. Cain can’t take it back in my oh so humble opinion because he can’t raise the campaign money.

  • bg

    ++

    daryl #97 October 25, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    again, anti-Palin, anti-Cain, anti-Bachmann and BIG MONEY TALKS, no
    concern whatsoever about content of a candidates character, Perry’s
    being a LIAR..

    and if any of you Perrynoids are TEA
    Party, then i’m the Queen of Sheba..

    ==

  • workingclass artist

    “My take on the plan: it’s excellent. It addresses the key political weaknesses of a mandatory flat tax, while still moving us meaningfully in that direction. While it maintains certain popular deductions, it recognizes the importance of a transitional phase between our current system and a flat tax. And Perry appears to be off to a promising start on Medicare reform.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/25/how-rick-perrys-flat-tax-plan-would-accelerate-health-reform/

  • workingclass artist

    @bg

    It’s not as if any serious conservative actually gives a flying monkey what you think of the rest of us since your posts reveal your…ummm….derangement.

    I would suggest a good therapist and perhaps a change in medication….especially since Perry will likely turn it around and win the GOP nomination.

  • bg

    ++

    daryl #98 October 25, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Just “vetting” your sources’cause you won’t.

    OH REALLY, IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL THE FOLLOWING??

    ++

    #96 October 25, 2011 at 2:13 pm bg

    re: daryl #80 October 25, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Civitas Institute; February 3, 2011

    HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HERMAN CAIN!!

    re: #86 October 25, 2011 at 1:48 pm bg

    correct poll link: October 20, 2011

    Civitas Poll: Cain Leads Obama in N.C.

    [Raleigh, N.C. – A new poll by the Civitas Institute shows Republican
    presidential candidate Herman Cain leading Democratic incumbent
    Barack Obama by five percent among North Carolina voters.

    Cain is the choice of 46 percent of North Carolina voters if the election
    for President of the United States was today and the candidates were
    Herman Cain the Republican, and Barack Obama the Democrat. Forty-
    one percent said they would vote for Obama, and 10 percent said they
    are undecided.

    Cain has the support of 81 percent of Republicans along with 50 percent
    of unaffiliated voters. Democratic voters would vote for Obama by a 68
    percent to 19 percent margin.

    “Just as is happening nationally, we are seeing a swell of support for
    Herman Cain in North Carolina,” said Civitas Institute President Francis
    De Luca.]

    ==

    STUPID IS AS STUPID CLAIMS..

    ==

  • daryl

    Anti-shmanti
    I just have someone I’d rather see in the White House than anyone you would like to see there and you took it on yourself to straighten me out because I don’t agree with you.
    Had you never started your vendetta against Rick Perry I’d not have given your ignorant links a second glance. You’re tolerated, not liked. Big difference.

  • bg

    ++

    like i said..

    perry on..

    ==

  • daryl

    “HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HERMAN CAIN!!”

    Wasn’t mean’t to, ignoramous. Pull your undies out, take a deep breath and read the article my link took you to.
    Had I just said civitas inc. wasn’t a very trustworthy polling company according to some you would have wet yourself squeeling for a link. Give you a damned link and you wet yourself anyway.
    Remember the song I dedicated to you? It still applies.

  • Spider

    k, dropping off this thread

    Very informative discussion

    My ranks: Perry,….. Cain,…………………………………………………….Romney

  • Meg

    Unemployment is low in Texas. Perry helped create a lot of jobs. He just forgot to tell you that most of the jobs went to illegals. Been to Texas lately. It is like being in another country.

  • James

    well that plan seems good on paper, but what forces the upper 10% that own the majority of the money to pay 20% taxes on their money. Wait a second they can keep their original taxation amount. Maybe its just me but maybe some people of america should come up with a tax plan instead of people in government that dont pay them in the first place get over the top benefits and then wanna try and say whats good for the country.

  • bg

    ++

    daryl #106 October 25, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    who do you think you’re kidding??

    it was quite SPECIFIC about the issue, and if they are
    that bad, why aren’t there HUNDREDS OF EXAMPLES??

    ie: where’s one about the 10/20/11
    Herman Cain Poll?? didn’t think so..

    oh forget you, you’re as lacking in character
    as your posts are of substance.. pathetic..

    ==

  • daryl

    “oh forget you, you’re as lacking in character
    as your posts are of substance.. pathetic..”

    ‘So K iggynoramos. I’ve got my sanity. Something you never had or lost somewhere along your way. You’re certifiably nuts.
    I’m gonna give you the last word only because I have to walk my dog. Priorities rate right up there with me. And you aren’t even on the list.

  • workingclass artist

    “I was thrilled as I looked closely into the details of Perry’s tax plan” – Mark Levin radio

    He then went into all the things the plan has that will promote job growth, repeal regulations instituted by Obama, cut spending back to 18% of GDP and shrink the federal government.

    Cain’s 999 plan isn’t plausible and he would have known that if he had political experience in office…nobody wants a VAT or a national sales tax and become “Italy or Greece” on this side of the atlantic.

    Link to the plan Cut Balance & Grow
    http://www.rickperry.org/cut-balance-and-grow-html/

    The sample tax return form is great.

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