Awful… Obama Declares End to War in Iraq – Refuses to Say “Victory” (Video)

As a candidate Barack Obama consistently called Iraq the wrong war, a failed mission. Obama opposed the surge. He refused to admit that the Bush Surge was a massive success of historical proportions.

Now that the mission is over Barack Obama announced today that he will withdraw troops from Iraq. He spoke for six minutes. The troops will be home for the holidays. Obama told America the war in Iraq was over.
But, he refused to say it was a victory for America.


Barack Obama dishonors the troops by not recognizing their tremendous accomplishments.
Shame on him.

For the record… The war was won back in 2008.

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  • Andrea Mitchell

    The word “victory” will not pass the lips of a leftist until the USA and its exceptional characteristic of limiting the power (at least on paper) of the created government has passed from the scene.

    And in fairness how could victory ever be claimed in this amorphous war on terror?

    The enemy is of course Islam but no nominal leader in the West will ever dare state the obvious.

  • Maria

    He is doing this because he knows he will lose the election. So he has to keep the left happy by withdrawing. This will be the downfall of Iraq to Iranian hands. Just watch and see.

  • ohio
  • Ria

    The troops are leaving because the Iraqi government refuses to grant them immunity. Iraqis want the troops out. This is not victory because the Iraqi government threw us out. No thanks from the ingrateful bunch. Let them fight their own war when the country plunge into unrest.


    that is because nobody can be victorious against his mooslime people

  • Adirondack Patriot

    Because victory will only come when he is out of office.

  • J

    I don’t know that they’re ungrateful. Maybe they feel that they’re now ready to take on the challenges themselves. If so, I wish them luck.

  • squeaky

    i’m sure the weak kneed resident in the whitehouse didn’t exactly inspire confidence in the U.S. the lessons of vietnam aren’t lost on the iraqis. i wouldn’t think a successful iraq would fit their story line anyway.

  • More Liberty

    Um…this was all signed in the Status Of Forces Agreement (SOFA) and signed by Bush in December 2008.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Obama Declares End to War in Iraq – Refuses to Say “Victory”

    I don’t have a problem with this. After all, once U.S. forces have left Iraq and it becomes an extension of Iran due to U.S inaction, it won’t look like there was a victory at all.

  • Robert

    He won’t declare “victory” you moron because the victory was already more or less declared in the Bush years (see for details. You are a twit who just wants something to complain about. This monstrosity has been a drain and waste on taxpayers money. Enough is enough. Forget them, this country wasn’t even worth invading if you ask me.

  • pink tie Republican

    What “victory” are you talking about?

  • Mike

    What victory? Are you f’ing kidding me. The destruction of a WMD using, al-Qaida supporting dictatorship and the birth of a democracy in the heart of the middle east. Piss on the un-American dick heads who opposed the liberation of Iraq. (Yeah, that includes you queer Paulians).

  • pink tie Republican

    Tell me about victory a year from now when the Iranians control Iraq. How many dead and wounded and how many trillions will have been wasted?

  • Voice of Reason

    Is this Team Obama’s crisis issue of the day? Well, we cannot stay there forever and leaving Vietnam turned out okay after all when we left. I remember people saying how the commies would take over etc. It didn’t happen.

  • Mike

    [[Tell me about victory a year from now when the Iranians control Iraq. How many dead and wounded and how many trillions will have been wasted?]]

    You do realise that Iraqis despise Iranians and have the best non-Israli military in the middle east?

  • ocrick

    Victory? what? Victory for Halliburton and the Leaches who Thieved Billions in War Profits.

    Victory for the Troops who had arms, legs, genitals and brains blown to bits?

    Victory for the Dead Soldiers who didn’t “have the Army you want” Rummy -2004

    Victory for $5.00 gas and $2 Trillion WASTED?

    Abu Ghraib torture nobody but soldiers were prosecuted for?

    Phony Christian, Chicken Hawk Neocons are Pathetic.

  • Mike

    [[As a candidate Barack Obama consistently called Iraq the wrong war, a failed mission.]]

    Amazing that a black who owes his own freedom to a war of liberation would deny the same consideartion to the Iraqis. Just a bunch of sand monkies eh Barah?

  • Carbon Pootprint

    What #7 said and do we really want President Goldman Sachs with the pistol grip ears (that I’m sure the bankers never had to make use of seeing how he’s so willing) saying victory? Everything he backs or touches turns to chit.

    one day closer to the a-hole leaving office YIP YIP YIPPIE!!!!!
    cue music

  • Mike

    [[Victory? what?}]]

    For 30 million liberated Iraqis and all Americans who do not have to worry about Saddams WMD in the hands of al-Qaida.

    Phoney American, coward, racist, liberals and Ron Paul bots are a disgrace to America.

  • Timwi

    This woman abandoned her four children to come and be a fleabagger!

  • ocrick

    Mike, Saddam and al quaida were mortal enemies, pinhead

  • StrangernFiction

    No thanks from the ingrateful bunch.

    What did you expect? THEY ARE MUSLIMS.

  • theBuckWheat

    VICTORY as a Fast and Furious distraction.

  • Mike


    So were Stalin and Hitler. You have got to stop spouting Ron F’ing Paul talking points and start thinking for yourself, moron.

  • GUS

    ocdickless is a fruitcake. Don’t expect her to think.

  • Joe College

    Comment #9 about the Status of Forces Agreement signed by President Bush is true..

    “…all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011…”

    Did Obama credit Bush in his speech?

  • pink tie Republican


    Sunni Iraqis may hate the Iranians but the majority Shia love the Iranians, who are also Shia. After the civil war, when the Sunnis are wiped out, the Shia will take over with Iran in control. Every vet I have talked to who came back from there knows this.

    True conservatives know Bush was a total disaster for the US and conservatism.

  • progressoverpeace

    Refuses to Say “Victory”

    Barky mentioned “victory”. He just pronounced it Vice-to-rhy.

    Reading TOTUS can be pretty demanding for a Hah-vahd grad … and they still haven’t put the phonetic transliteration up on TOTUS for Barky, so it’s easy to miss the words he doesn’t recognize.

  • Mike

    [[Sunni Iraqis may hate the Iranians but the majority Shia love the Iranians, who are also Shia. After the civil war, when the Sunnis are wiped out, the Shia will take over with Iran in control.]]

    You may have missed that small event called the Iran-Iraq war where 1.5 million Iraqis and Iranians killed each other. Shia Iranians and Shia Iraqis hate each other because of the war, because of Irans bombing of Iraq post liberation from saddam and last but not least because Iranian Shia are Persian and Iraqi Shia are Arab. Like Ron F’ing Paul you dont have a clue about the real world.

    [[Every vet I have talked to who came back from there knows this.]]

    I dont believe you because evry vets I have talked to thinks thats BS.

  • progressoverpeace

    pink tie Republican commented:

    er the civil war, when the Sunnis are wiped out, the Shia will take over with Iran in control.

    The sunnis are ready and figure that they’ll end up on the winning end (since they’ve won Iraq from the shiites already. Of course, the shiites are equally convinced that they can win Iraq (and the oil fields, which are all that matter in Iraq) and are as happy to get it on as the sunnis are.

    In the end, the only group that will truly suffer and be done away with is the one group that was a true ally to the US – the Kurds. Whether the sunnis or shiites win Iraq, the Kurds are looking at very bad times to come. Too much oil up north to keep the arabs away. And our only actual ally out there will be left isolated and caught between the insane Iraqi sunnis, the nutcase Iraqi shiites and the progressively more insane Turks (who have still never paid for having tried to screw the US over so bad on the eve of the friggin invasion).

  • Johnny “Stanford” Davis

    Why are you so concerned about Obama saying the word “victory”? I guess you would like to see a press conference where he just says “Victory!” then leaves. Or even say, “It wasn’t a victory,” because then he would be saying “victory”, which not doing is what you are criticizing him for.

    Anyway, do you think the war was a victory? If it wasn’t would you still want him to say the word “victory”? (I mean, if it wasn’t he would be right to say “It wasn’t a victory,” but I guess the question is, would you want him to claim it was a victory?)

    I mean, if he did say it was a victory, a victory that happened under his presidency, that would then be something that could be used to solidify his foriegn policy credentials, and you obviously don’t support anything that would help Obama, so, in your interests, its actually good that he isn’t taking credit for victory.

  • Johnny “Stanford” Davis

    Mr. Hoft’s loyal followers have turned on him. Most of the commentors agree that it wasn’t a victory and that Obama isn’t wrong, starting from the first:

    Andrea Mitchell: in fairness how could victory ever be claimed in this amorphous war on terror?

    Ria: This is not victory because the Iraqi government threw us out.

    #10: once U.S. forces have left Iraq and it becomes an extension of Iran due to U.S inaction, it won’t look like there was a victory at all.

    Pink Tie Republican: What “victory” are you talking about?

    Ocrich: Victory? what? Victory for Halliburton and the Leaches who Thieved Billions in War Profits.

    Victory for the Troops who had arms, legs, genitals and brains blown to bits?

    Victory for the Dead Soldiers who didn’t “have the Army you want” Rummy -2004

    Victory for $5.00 gas and $2 Trillion WASTED?

  • karra

    Poor chap – he doesn’t look well…

    In fact, he has looked quite unwell for some time now – perhaps the stress of organizing the decline of America as we knew it.

  • pink tie Republican


    Please do not lump me in with that skeezer Andrea Mitchell. I loathe Obama and know just what he is trying to do, but I am more disappointed in Bush because he fooled me when he said he was a conservative. Obama, I know what he is, he never fooled me.

  • hermie

    This is another part of his ploy to spend more money on ‘stimulus’ by claiming a ‘peace dividend’ when the troops come back. By not having troops there he will claim that the government will have plenty to spend, so Congress should pass his ‘jobs bill’.

  • big L

    Site is filled with trolls. I can get this twaddle from anywhere.

  • Conservative to the Core

    What happend to the victory declared years and years and years ago?

  • Mn Jim

    obama was born and raised Muslim. Do you expect him to declare victory against his people?

  • Island Girl

    Whoah – lots of unfinished business on this post.

    Whatever – the past cannot be erased.

  • Patty

    Obama is playing to his left base.

    Parents of those who have lost sons and daughters and those who are wounded, is this Victory.

    If there was no decision made by both Iraq and America to leave troops to continue training the we leave. Also, American Embassy is still there, rather costly.

    Iraq war left many scars and many lessons. So did the Vietnam War.

  • Patty

    Endgame: Obama announces all troops to leave Iraq by the end of the year

    Update: Yep: “President Obama’s speech formally declaring that the last 43,000 U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year was designed to mask an unpleasant truth: the troops aren’t being withdrawn because the U.S. wants them out. They’re leaving because the Iraqi government refused to let them stay.”

  • Patty

    Is it the troops he is snubbing, turning his nose up too or is it President George W. Bush.

  • bg


    Thank You US/UK & Coalition Troops!!

    Thank You General Petreaus et al!!

    Thank You President Bush et al!!

    Thank You PM Maliki et al!!

    Thank You Americans & Iraqis All!!

    God Bless America & Iraq
    with many more to follow!!


  • bg
  • bg


    re: #45 October 21, 2011 at 4:39 pm bg

    actually President Bush conferred & agreed with the Iraqi
    Parliaments decision.. that oil thievin’ devil that he is.. /s/


  • The greatest victory for the U.S. will be when he boards Air Force One for his flight back to Chicago in January 2013.

  • mg4us

    Very strange announcement of a complete withdrawl.

    Why did he make it and why now?

    What was the urgency. . he had an announcement yesterday that Gaddafi was killed. . .

    Could it be to deflect MSM and have them make this the TOP Story rather than his spending bill being rejected in the Senate after his failed bus tour?

    And why all troops out of iraq? Let’s see, we still have troops in Korea and in Germany but in Iraq. .everybody home by end of year. .

    President Zero is a Big Nothing. .a Loser!!!

  • bg


    we already have a Victory in Iraq Day.. 8)

    November 22nd 2008, 3rd year celebration coming up!! 🙂

    oh btw,


    /Ogasmic egO sarc/


  • James

    How much longer is obama gonna be riding on President George W. Bush’s coat tails. This is the time frame already established by President Bush. Just like catching up to bin laden was from the tough intelligence work done by Bush.

  • bg


    re: #44 October 21, 2011 at 4:31 pm bg

    and a special sincere THANK YOU
    to all of the TROOPS FAMILIES..

    God Bless You All!!


  • Voice of Reason

    Great! Troops are coming home. Well done. Obama just following through with what Bush set up prior to leaving office. Now, what he should do is advise anyone that they mess with Iraq, then they mess with the USA. Send a message like Reagan would do. I’m okay with not saying victory. So what?

  • mike

    [[Mr. Hoft’s loyal followers have turned on him. Most of the commentors agree that it wasn’t a victory and that Obama isn’t wrong, starting from the first]]

    Not really John, its just the anti-american, pseudo-conservative ron paul bots.

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  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Most of the commentors agree that it wasn’t a victory and that Obama isn’t wrong,…

    Actually, on the military front, we did win. However, in the absence of a decisive victory, as in WW2, what was won has to be kept, and it looks like Iraq is slated to eventually fall under the sphere of its authoritarian neighbor.

    You can say he’s not “wrong” for being unwilling to declare victory, but he’ll be a scumbag nonetheless if he allows Iraq to turn into an Iranian satellite unopposed before he’s booted out of office.

  • Captain Chaos

    How odd that a third-rate country is making desicions for the gutless-wonder of a President we have.

  • Valerie

    Bunch of people hanging around today who have no f’n clue what happened in Iraq. Yes, is was a victory, a huge victory, to take this country that collapsed, and help them form a viable country from the mess, with the added burden of a history where they’d had 40 years of oppression followed by invasion by our forces, and then an ungodly attempt by Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq to form the Caliphate.

    Our young people in the weird clothes, speaking the wrong language, from a country they had been told was the source of all evil in the world — won over the hearts and minds of a people who thought they were supposed to be their enemy. They freed 35 million people from a regime that had killed half a million people, most of them the good, strong adults of the country.

    We showed them what freedom is. We did not dictate their Constitution: we polled the country and helped them set up a process so that they could get a document that embodied that precious thing, the knowledgeable consent of the governed.

    We showed them what freedom of speech means. Our soldiers stood by quietly when one local cleric had a US flag painted on the ground in front of a mosque, where the worshipers could walk on it. And, walk on it they did. But they also internalized the lesson: you have freedom of speech, and political protest. Some freedoms include the right to do things that are not really such a great idea.

    Our military men won over the tribes in Anbar by recognizing how much they had in common with those brave people, and those people also grew to hate the barbarous Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq, for their freakish viciousness. They said: “Those are not Muslims.”

    The people in Iraq learned to discern the difference between our military and the freaky Islamist hirabists. They make common cause with us, volunteering in droves for their own military and police despite horrific bombings of the lines of applicants.

    Their goal, like ours was sovereignty. Sovereignty means they run their own country.

    Iraq for Iraqis, all Iraqis. For Sunni, Shia, Christians, Jews, Kurds, etc., — that is how their politicians promised it. And we promised to leave, when they said it was time.

    Our military did this, and they did it without the UN, and without the State Department. They grew their own anthropologists.

    This. Is. Victory.

    God bless Iraq, I hope they make good use of it.

  • Valerie

    You are reading The Gateway Pundit, and that slogan, “where hope finally made a comeback” is all about that young woman with the purple finger on the right. There’s a story behind every one of the other photos in that banner, too.

  • mg4us

    President Zero was kikked out. . Hillary too. . .

    Iraqis saw how Obama and his merry band of incompetent marxist fools treated our Pals in Egypt and Tunisia.

    They see how Obama and his pals are totally impotent with regard to Iran

    They see that to keep peace with Iran, Obama is a nothing and must go!

    They see Obama has lost the support of the tax paying American patriot (besides last November, they were beaten bad in special election NY9!!!)

    They see Obama for what he is. . a big nothing. . a Zero

    Way to go Big Loser Obama. . .President Zero

    At least his buddy and Farakahn pal Gaddafi will support him. . oops. . never mind. . Gaddafi is dead!

  • Ozark Lee

    Say a prayer for the Kurds – they will be hit from all three fronts and likely wiped out.


  • bg
  • bg


    Ozark Lee #60 October 21, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    got a link.. /s/


  • bg


    Turkey, Iran to Cooperate Against Kurdish Rebels

    [Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi met with his Turkish counterpart, Ahmet Davutoglu, on Friday in Ankara, where the two announced plans to collaborate against the rebel Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) and its Iranian wing, the Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK).

    Salehi said the two groups are “common problems” for both countries and they need to cooperate more seriously against them. Iran also has a large Kurdish minority.

    Davutoglu said Turkey and Iran, from now on, will work together until what he called this terrorist threat is eliminated. It was not immediately clear what joint action the two countries are planning to take against the rebels.

    Turkey launched the offensive against the Kurdish militants after a series of PKK attacks Wednesday killed 24 soldiers. Turkey says the massive air and ground operations are mainly taking place on the Turkish side of the border with Iraq, in Turkey’s Cukurca region.

    But in a statement posted on its website, the military said some
    operations are taking place in “a few” areas of northern Iraq.]


  • BS-meter

    #15 October 21, 2011 at 2:28 pm
    Voice of Reason commented:
    Is this Team Obama’s crisis issue of the day? Well, we cannot stay there forever and leaving Vietnam turned out okay after all when we left. I remember people saying how the commies would take over etc. It didn’t happen.

    When you make a statement like the above, one thing comes to mind: It is better to remain silent and let the world think you’re a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

    Either you were never there, and/or you’ve never read of the real aftermath. Regardless, what a stupid comment.

    USMC, RVN 68-69

  • mg4us

    An interesting read on President Zero. .the Liar-in-theif and his radical ways by Forbes!

  • Larry Sheldon

    So who is going to have to give up an airplane to get all those folks home?

    (Frankly, I can’t imagine Mooch allowing “those kinds of people” on her airplane.)

  • Island Girl

    #57 Valerie – I would not want to lose a sock for any Iraqui much less an arm ,leg or life. Nor do I want it for any other person .

    I am very sorrowful for those who did.

  • Molon Labe

    I see the mad cricket is braying about how saddam was an enemy of al queda. Well once again I was not disappointed to see the moonbat rant and rave. Saddam supported every terrorist group under the sun. Not only financially, but training and arming them.

    Its sad to see such a demented uindividual vomiting this nonsense when he could be usefully exposing himself to underage children at one of these demonstrations. Cricket seems like one of these losers, only sightly more sane.

    As for Obama, within five years Iraq will be under Irans domination. Wityhin 5 years of that the Gulf will go. Thanks to all these cretins like the mad cricket who told us the Sghah had to go.

    Obama is scum. But whats worse are the idiots who voted him in.

  • Molon Labe


    You are a blue monkey standing on a soap box and trying to tell us black is white, and truth is a lie. Please return to the Minsitry of Truth.
    How wouold you understand the concept of victory over evil when you can’t recognize it. How dare you lecture us when you are a messenger of evil?

    I loved your examples. So none of this could be attributed to WWII either. Not one soldier was maimed or crippled for life. Not one cent was spent.

    You are an idiot or worse a proponent of evil. You cannot abide the word victory for it demeans all you believe in and that Obama stands for. Itsyour kind that sold millions into slavery in Vietnam. Cowards who wouldn’t risk their skin for anything but braying about rights they wouldn’t defend to all and sundry, if you could stand the smell.

    Go back to your parents basement. You are much better when you ask, “do you want fries with that?” than displaying an ignorance that is so gigantic that it has its own gravitation sphere.

    You never served, never sacrificed, believe in nothing, accomplished nothing, yet you presume to lecture people who know the difference between a terrorist and a clown like you.

  • Molon Labe


    If anyone wants to know what victory was achieved then you have never been in Iraq. You’ve never seen villages wiped out, or entire populations moved and dumped into a desert to die. You never seen people terrorized by the knock on the door in the middle of the night. You have never seen a government that enforced its will through sanctioned rape squads nor the summary executin of anyone opposing the regime.

    But the usual idiot know better. They lecture us about the evils of corproations while they follow Nazi billionaire Soros. They lecture us about “victory” when they have no concept of what it is. They know the cost of everything but the value of nothing. These are the people who cannot grasp why Iwo Jima will remain a part of our history and tradition. They hate everything about America and its values.

    The only thing I do not understand is why they remain here.

    But these people serve as a warning to all here of politicians who talk about bipartisanship and compromise. Would you compromise with the devil? Work together with a rapist? Believe that you can have a mutual accommodatiuon with an abortionist? Then vote for one of the girlie men candidates like Perry, Romney or even Bush. We must not risk our troops if we do not fight to win. The ROE are a joke and our politicians are evil men who sacrificed our troops while telling us about how wonderful Muslims are. They are a cancer. If you are ever in a Muslim controlled area you will see their tolerance anmd compassion.

  • bg


    Island Girl #67 October 21, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    our beloved troops, like numerous others before them, lost their lives
    and limbs for US, however, as with any other war, this time the Iraqis
    benefited as well..


  • Molon Labe

    Obama has wasted more money money laundering paybacks to his cronies than the 800 billion the war cost. But what the hell Obama wants to enrich the Wall Street crowd, they fianced his way into office along with his Muslim buddies. This is his payback to his Muslim masters. Take a bow Barrracky.

  • Obamas regulation destroy jobs

    How will we get the troops home? #66 We can ask Michoole if we can borrow her plane Air Force One. She and the whole lot are so,so disgusting–they have always treated our military like dirt! From the shout outs when 13 were gun down, from waiting 9 months to, send more backup, then the wait on the IRANIAN young protest for help–shutting down Poland’s defense shields,making deals with Russia to shut down our space program and train mooslims instead–and sending guns to Mexico to kill our Americans and suing one of our own states Arizona-and passing the dream act–the back door deals with all of these green jobs, billions of dollars–hiding in the dark–we have been disgraced…oh and giving our gulf shores away along with our rigs-to EPA attacking our truckers, our farmers, fishermen, on& on–he is the most disgusting human being and ALL of the demorats who voted for this..I never knew that there was so many people who hated America while they sucked all the freedom we fought for–and they burn the flag, insult Americans..makes me sick. He started this at wall street-he did it. He is a power dog all of them–its never enough–letting illegals dump on every American is an insult. There is no accountability to respecting our laws. Its shameful.

  • Voice of Reason

    Hey BS, is Vietnam been taken over by Communist China? Did Pol Pot take over and ruin the country? Do we need to go back and is Vietnam a threat to us? How is Vietnam today soldier?

  • This is similar to how we “lost” the Vietnam War after we had already won it. Before I arrived, we had already annihilated the Viet Cong and a large number of North Vietnamese units. It happened during the TET Offensive in 1968. The “Viet Cong” units we monitored and engaged by the time I got there and the ones being engaged by the South Vietnamese were actually North Vietnamese Regulars filling the ranks of what had been wiped out Viet Cong units, with some conscripts from the local area as well. General Giap later admitted that they were ready to sue for peace after TET, but when Walter Cronkite and the rest of the anti-US press MISREPORTED the outcome as a victory for THEM and began to turn the sentiment of the American people against us, they were inspired to continue to fight on. They were still taking heavy losses when the Democrats withdrew all American military personnel and pulled the plug on support, including FOOD, AMMUNITION, SUPPLIES, SPARE PARTS, EVERYTHING, and left the South Vietnamese and Cambodians essentially defenseless.

    In the case of Iraq, we never finished wiping out the breeding grounds and suppliers of the jihadiis, we just took out a few of their leaders and a lot of their low level “drones”. Political Correctness forced us to fight the war like wiping out only the top of an ant hill. They just keep growing more from babies and swarming up out of the ground if you don’t take them out all the way to the source.

    Personally, I’m just happy our son-in-law is on his way home and will be back with us next Wednesday. They are planning a big celebration at Fort Riley, Kansas when his unit arrives. I hope the last American out is safely across the border before the Iranians and AQ and all the other jihadiis come out of hiding and take the place over. Will this all have been for nothing? I pray not.

    Oh, and if “Reverend” Phelps and his band of perverts show up to “protest”, they might want to be careful about how close they get. Some of those big trucks and tanks can be difficult to steer in tight spots, and it would be a shame if one of the “protesters” became “tread grease” for a tank or a “hood ornament” or a “bumper sticker” on one of those big rigs. 🙄

  • #74, why don’t you go see for yourself what life in Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos are like today and report back to Jim so he can write it up.

    What point are you trying to make?


    Bad press, including major mockery of the play to his Leftist base by comedian Jon Stewart, led to President Obama’s abandoning his proposal to require veterans to carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540 billion annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries to military personnel received during their tours on active duty. The President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the opposition to his proposal.

    “Look, it’s an all volunteer force,” Obama complained. “Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn’t compute..”

    “I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country,” Obama continued. “I wasn’t asking for blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I’d have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation’s deficit..I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans.”

    REMEMBER THIS STATEMENT….”Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice?”

    Now, can someone explain how he ever gets another vote from an active duty, retired, or reserve or national guard member or a member of their family?

    I defer to a few individuals who also differed in opinion with Obama:

    “…just one moment, one explosion, or one bullet separates Veterans Day from Memorial Day.” — Pete Hegseth,”

    “The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars to be treated and appreciated by their nation.” – George Washington

    “Any nation that does not honor its heroes will not long endure.” – Abraham Lincoln

  • bg


    Voice of Reason #74 October 21, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    just a sample:

    50 Years of Vietnamese Communist Crimes

    John F Kennedy and Vietnam

    Khmer Rouge rule of Cambodia

    Vietnam and the Media

    [“Illusionary events reported by the press as well as real events
    within the press corps were more decisive than the clash of arms
    or the contention of ideologies. For the first time in modern history,
    the outcome of a war was determined not on the battlefield but
    on the printed page, and above all, on the television screen. ”


    “Never before Vietnam had the collective policy of the media sought
    by graphic and unremitting distortion, the victory of the enemies of
    the correspondents own side.”


    Senator Margaret Chase Smith, “The press has become more
    sympathetic to the enemy than to our own national interest.”
    (Congressional Record, June 16, 1971)]

    “Winter Soldier”

    [Enemy documents from 1971 show that Vietnamese communists guided
    the American antiwar movement via meetings between the communist
    delegations to the Paris Peace talks and American antiwar activists. John
    Kerry and the VVAW were working toward the exact goals set forth in
    the communist directives.]


  • bg


    re: #79 October 22, 2011 at 11:15 am bg

    Vietnam War Myths

    [Myth: The Tet Offensive Was a Communist Victory

    The 1968 Tet offensive was a total and complete miltary disaster for
    the North Vietnamese Communists no matter how you look at it. If
    you measure victory by territory gained or enemy killed, the North
    Vietnamese Army and the Viet Cong failed dismally in their attacks.

    The NVA and VC had counted on a “People’s Uprising” to carry them to
    victory, however there was no such uprising. They did exactly what the
    American military wanted them to do. They massed in large formations
    that were incredibly vulnerable to the awesome fire support the U.S.
    Military was able to bring to bear on them in a coordinated and
    devastating manner.

    The NVA and VC attacked only ARVN installations with the exception of
    the US Embassy in Saigon. Despite reports to the contrary by all major
    television news networks and the print media, the VC sapper team of
    15 men never entered the chancery building and all 15 VC were dead
    within 6 hours of the attack. They caused no damage to any property
    and managed to kill 4 US Army MPs, and one Marine guard. The South
    Vietnamese Police tasked with guarding the Embassy fled at the first
    sound of gunfire.]

    Communism in Asia

    [Tragically, in Vietnam, the brave American effort was betrayed at home. South Vietnam could have been defended indefinitely, but the “anti-war” protesters won the day, and Congress abandoned South Vietnam and Cambodia to communist tyranny and democide after 1973. This abandonment – celebrated by the left to this day – is one of the great crimes of the west of the modern age. The anti-Vietnam War protesters should be ashamed of what they did.]

    Vietnam War

    [U.S. Withdrawal

    Serious negotiations to end the war began after U.S. President Lyndon Johnson’s decision not to seek reelection in 1968. Contacts between North Vietnam and the United States in Paris in 1968 were expanded in 1969 to include South Vietnam and the NLF. The United States, under the leadership of President Richard M. Nixon, altered its tactics to combine U.S. troop withdrawals with intensified bombing and the invasion of Communist sanctuaries in Cambodia (1970).]

    Kerry Honored by Vietnamese Communists

    [In the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum (formerly known
    as the “War Crimes Museum”) in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), a photograph of
    John Kerry hangs in a room dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped
    the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War. The photograph shows
    Senator Kerry being greeted by the General Secretary of the Communist
    Party of Vietnam, Comrade Do Muoi.


  • bg


    re: #79 October 22, 2011 at 11:15 am bg
    &: 80 October 22, 2011 at 11:27 am bg

    you may be wondering what Iraq has to
    do with Vietnam, well i’ll tell you, again..

    Ayman al-Zawahiri’s letter to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

    [My answer is, firstly: Things may develop faster than we imagine. The
    aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam-and how they
    ran and left their agents-is noteworthy.


    However, despite all of this, I say to you: that we are in a battle, and
    that more than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the
    media. And that we are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and
    minds of our Umma.]

    Osama bin Laden states he not only studied, but
    learned how to defeat US via the Vietnam War..

    more here..


  • bg


    Opaobie #75 October 22, 2011 at 12:17 am
    Opaobie #76 October 22, 2011 at 12:19 am
    Opaobie #77 October 22, 2011 at 1:26 am


    what makes Obama tick (or the crux of the matter so to speak)..

    [In fact, Hitler did strengthen the German establishment, but not
    exactlyin the way the bankers and businessmen had wanted; and
    now, fifty years later, it is clear who was using whom. [.] someone
    who leaves the established order in place
    . [by Barack Obama,
    March 10, 1983]

    [more @ link & connecting links & threads]


  • Molon Labe


    Yeah I’ve been to Vietnam where life is so bad that gifts like a barbie doll I brought for the children of an old friend was carefully saved because it would be sold. To provide food for a month. Life is so great there that everyone reminds any American how good things were when the Americans were there and the whispers of how bad they are now.

    By wonderful do you mean that they aren’t eating the bark off of trees and each other like in North Korea. Did you ever see anyone flee to a communist country skippy?

    And if you had half an education when Saigon fell, Cambodia and Laos went too. And the Soviets went on the march throughout the world in Somilia, Aden, Nicargua, El Salvador, Mozambique, Angola, Rhodesia, Bennin, Togo, Guatemala, Bolivar, Peru.

    Yeah when the chicken Dhimmies cut the ground out from under our allies they caused millions to die. Idiots like you never learn because they lack the education, the wisdom, and the education, but mainly because they lack the intelligence.

    So Skippy we have another Jimmy Carter or Chamberlain telling us about the victory he has obtained.

    In five years millions more will die in the Middle East and it will because of Obama and his merry band of cretins.

  • Molon Labe

    Sorry the prior post was intended for the voice of reason, or voice of Joh Kerry. What an ass.

  • Tim

    I am a conservative.But I 100% the presidents decision to end this war.While I supported President Bush and his decision to go to Iraq,enough is enough.I give president Obama credit for ending this never ending war.

  • Marine Mom

    I just want to say “THANK YOU” to all the men and women who so selfishly gave their time, their freedom, and some their lives during this “war on ???” You have all served your country proud.

    Win, lose, Victory or Defeat, who cares… I’m proud of all of you who did your job to your finest ability – lived in deplorable conditions overseas, got spit on and shot at… all so we can bitch on this site and voice our opinions. I salute all of you who give us our freedom… It may not be the best of times, and I for one have hit the bottom after losing my job and then my home… but I have not lost my pride in what all of our military have given up (and it’s more than a house or a job)…

    For those of you who served so proudly let me be the first to say…

    “Welcome Home”

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