Ugh. Romney Says Perry Is Unelectable – He’s Not Moderate Enough
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, September 22, 2011, 6:01 AM
Texas Governor Rick Perry (R) and Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney stand next to each other onstage during a photo opportunity before the Reagan Centennial GOP presidential primary debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California September 7, 2011. (Reuters)
Mitt Romney blasted Governor Rick Perry in an interview with USA Today. The former Massachusetts governor says Perry is unelectable – He’s just not moderate enough.
USA Today reported:
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney questioned Wednesday whether Texas Gov. Rick Perry could be elected to the White House, given his stances on Social Security and other issues, and he expressed skepticism that his rival had the experience to govern effectively if he did win.
Romney’s caustic critique in a phone interview with USA TODAY previewed likely confrontations tonight between the two leading contenders for the Republican presidential nomination at a Republican debate in Orlando.
“My life experience has been in the private sector and has been in turning things around that are in trouble, whether that was a business or the Olympics or in a state,” he said. “Gov. Perry came into a state that was doing just fine.”
…Does that blunt talk make Perry unelectable?
Romney called it “a very disconcerting approach,” then argued that the views Perry outlined in a book he published last year, suggesting that Social Security was unconstitutional, are ones he won’t be able to easily disavow.
“Given the fact that the book is so recently published and he reiterated his position with television interviews, I think his position is now cast in concrete,” said Romney — who has been criticized for changing positions over the years on such issues as abortion rights.
The Perry camp shot back after Romney released questions he said the Texas governor should answer on Social Security, including details of how a pension system run by states rather than the federal government might work.
“Mr. Romney is again sounding like a Democrat, distorting the truth and trying to scare senior citizens,” Perry communications director Ray Sullivan responded in a statement. “Rick Perry and other conservatives are courageous enough to be honest about federal spending and entitlements, whether Mr. Romney and the liberals like it or not.”
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workingclass artist commented:
So Sayeth Obamalite
Perry nailed it on Hannity last night when he said Romney was Obamalite.
Gig Em’
Perry 2012
JimmyT commented:
The more this guy talks, the less I like him. Mitt doesn’t get it. It’s the lsm’s job to tell us who, and who isn’t, electable.
conservative musician commented:
Why would you tear down a fellow conservative in public? Stand on why your Ideas are better than your opponent. Don’t fall for the trap that you have to fight each other at every debate. Talk about Issues and substance. No one even compares their current ideas to what is currently going on in the white house. Focus on that instead of your neighbor. God help us if this is the best we can produce.
Missy8s commented:
Wishy washy “moderates” are the ones who actually got us into this whole mess.
We need a president that will take a stand to end the fiscal madness not another “go along to get along” buffoon like a Romney or a McCain.
If you cannot stand firmly on constitutional principals and proven economic FACTS you should never be elected to any office, let alone president.
No more spineless boobs.
Step up to defend the constitution or step out of the way!!!
Hank commented:
Perry: First politician in memory to accurately describe Soc Sec as a legalized Ponzi scheme.
Romney: If he is not the quentessentail R I N O,no one is.
Bye Bye Mitt….
MariaA commented:
Romney is becoming more unlikable and oleaginous by the minute. He is looking more and more like the proverbial used car salesman.
Sam Stone commented:
I hope for a Dem challenger in the primary. I think any moderate Obama opponent would beat Obama in a landslide.
Rick commented:
It is my understanding that Mr. Romney socialized medicine in his state before Obama came up with his healthcare plan and about destroyed their medical care system.
He also ordered his county clerks to issue marriage licenses to homosexuals or be fired, in direct violation of their state law.
Mr. Romney is a RINO, in my opinion, and should not even be considered by the Republican party.
Fen commented:
Bullocks. McCain spent his entire political career “positioning” himself as a moderate, stabbing conservatives in the back to become the “Maverick Moderate.”
Final Score: Obama 365, McCain 173
Missy8s commented:
Speaking of manipulators, the Paulyannas are at it again…
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/americas-newsroom/index.html
Bill Mitchell commented:
Lord I hate watching Republicans getting in these types of spitball fights. How about just saying, “ok, here are my ideas, here are his ideas, pick the one whose ideas sound most like your ideas…”
Now after the Primaries are over, no matter who gets the nomination, the other one will be talking about how great the nominee is. It just adds to the “all politics is bs” theme.
olm commented:
I can’t stand either Mitt or Perry.
If it comes down to this, well, I’ll hold my nose and vote but it will be against Obama, just like last time.
Well, last time I voted for Palin.
Bill Mitchell commented:
My problem with Romney is that in many ways, he actually reminds me of Clinton in that you get the feeling that everything he says isn’t really what he believes but what some internal polling told him to say.
With Perry I get the feeling that what he says (for better or worse) is really what he personally believes. I found him very sincere and likeable in his Hannity interview.
StrangernFiction commented:
If want someone to reach across the aisle and work with communists Mitt is your man.
Valerie commented:
OT — I suppose somebody could have asked them about the Solyndra scandal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/solyndra-employees-company-suffered-from-mismanagement-heavy-spending/2011/09/20/gIQAMHC3lK_print.html
“On Friday, company executives are scheduled to appear before a House committee investigating how Solyndra obtained its loan and whether the Obama White House rushed its approval for political reasons. Chief Executive Officer Brian Harrison and Chief Financial Officer Bill Stover were supposed to face a grilling about the company’s spending and collapse, but they announced Tuesday that they would assert their Fifth Amendment rights because of a criminal probe of the company by the Justice Department.”
H/T Pajamas Media
There was so much that went wrong with The Stimulus, and this is part of it. For me, the Solyndra scandal is structurally reminiscent of Climategate: At one time, the argument appeared to be about a theory (economics for Solyndra, climatology for Climategate) and then it suddenly devolved into a discussion of corruption.
When the Federal government signals that it will pay money for grant applications and other forms of funding directed to a certain subject matter, those applications will be made. This has nothing to do with any kind of desirable outcome, other than assuring that money will be spent.
ahem commented:
Every time I look at Romney, I want to heave.
WTFPRESIDENT commented:
I was going to comment, but #1 and #2 said what I was going to say…
aprilnovember811 commented:
Sounds like he’s been talking to Rove. No Mitt, that’s wrong. Obamacare, Romneycare. What’s the difference?
The more I see and here of Mitt Romney, the more I’m turned off by him. He seems like a nice man, but, I don’t want moderate. I want someone who will lead, and stick to the law. By that I mean United States Constitution. I will not vote moderate. If you want that, become a Democrat. If you want marxist vote for a liar, and a Kenyan, Obama.
Obama In Kenya: I Am So Proud To Come Back Home
http://youtu.be/87pXa2pK6sg
#1AMERICAN commented:
mitt is NOT the man to be the repub nominee…might be a good business man but is a demoturd in sheeps clothing
wolf commented:
Read today”s AmericanThinker.com column on Perry’s Solyndra and pay to play background.
Several weeks ago I asked whether anyone saw a smarmy guy in Perry.
I am asking the same question again: Does Perry come across as smarmy?
And I live in NJ, where I have a little man governor in giant fat suit who thinks bluster and blubber go together. Christy: A true RINO who stuck a muslim sharia advocate onto the state supreme court.
Still, all told, Christy is still better than Corzine, and he doesn’t visit truck stops for sex, as McGreevy did. Least not yet. Hey, it’s Jersey. One never knows!
tom beebe st louis commented:
Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It
totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only $30K over your working life, that’s close to $220,500. If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer’s contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the govt. pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working you’d have $892,919.98.
If you took out only 3% per year, you’d receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years (until you’re 95 if you retire at age 65) and that’s with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit!
If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you’d have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month. The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madhoff ever had.
Dan commented:
Thank God that Sarah is coming in soon to save us from these two numbskulls.
Just-Saying commented:
Arguably, Romney’s unelectable: he’s too moderate.
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donh commented:
Myth Romney is a metrosexual fascist.
gary gulrud commented:
WaPo June 20, 2011: “Gallup reported that 22% of Americans would not support their party’s nominee for president if that nominee was a Mormon.”
Something like 10% of Repugnants and a quarter of Indies approve of the job Urkel is doing.
Romney might actually carry MA, NH, ME, UT, ID, and a handful of others in Nov.
But I’ll write in a conservative.
aprilnovember811 commented:
#3, I agree with you. It’s a turn off and it looks petty and jealous. It diminishes him. I don’t believe Romney is electable over Perry. A pet rock is electable over Obama. A pet rock will sit there and mind it’s own business, and not be in my face, in my cereal, in my lightbulb, in my coal mine, in my oil rig, in my toilet. Actually, flushing Obama down the toilet is a good idea.
Read this article, it’s a great article. Perry is a leader, like Palin is a leader. Lead, and people will follow. Romney follows, Karl Rove, the chubby 13 year old, and the old dinosaur media. I want no one from the North, and no one from the West. They do the most damage to the country. As does anyone who is Muslim from the MIddle East or Africa. Yes, Obama you were born of African soil, like auntie and uncle, and your philosophy is that of Kenya or Indonesia. We know the truth, even though you and others FOX included keep repeating the lie.
“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” ~Lenin He is one of your heroes isn’t he Barry.
Palin, Perry, and the Rolling Stones – I wanted to post it because you would have to pay $8.95 to read the whole thing. It’s worth $8.95, but since Obama is stealing everyone’s right to earn a living, I’m not sure everyone has $8.95. If we tell him and the other commies we have it, they might come for that too. Not with weapons of course, since they gave all of those to the drug cartels to kill people in Mexico and America, but with their votes and a pen. That’s how the white collar thieves do it.
Enjoy.
PALIN, PERRY, AND THE ROLLING STONES
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Thursday, 18 August 2011
On June 12, 1964, at Big Reggie’s Danceland Ballroom in Excelsior, Minnesota (on Lake Minnetonka west of Minneapolis), The Rolling Stones gave a performance during their first American tour. They were little-known back then (everyone was into Beatlemania), they were drunk, played poorly, and got booed off the stage by the audience of 300.
The next morning, Mick Jagger went into Bacon’s Drug Store to fill a prescription. Standing in front of him was a local character named Jimmy Hutmaker, Excelsior’s retarded town mascot whom everyone befriended. Jimmy wanted his usual morning pick-me-up, a cherry coke – but the fellow who manned the soda fountain said they were out of cherry syrup, so he gave Jimmy a regular coke.
Whereupon Jimmy turned to Mick, shrugged his shoulders, and said, “You can’t always get what you want.”
Jagger never forgot what “Mr. Jimmy” said, and used it to create an achingly extraordinary rock and roll masterpiece (with the beginning and closing chorus sung by the London Bach Choir):
Oh, you can’t always get what you want
Oh, you can’t always get what you want
Oh, you can’t always get what you want
But if you try sometimes, you just might find
You get what you need
The song has been haunting me for the last several days. I have listened to it a score of times (the link is to the original 1968 recording which was used as a soundtrack for the House television series), during breaks reading a particular book.
And thus I have arrived at a conclusion: However much we want Sarah Palin, what we need is Rick Perry.
Last week’s HFR (8/12) discussed the odds of a Hillary candidacy and Zero being LBJ Redux, a Wisconsin lady infuriating the left nationwide, the massive threat of Dem vote fraud in 2012, the absurdity of the left’s smear on Rick Perry being “pro-Sharia” and why Ismailism is a peaceful form of Islam, why Chris Christie by contrast is a sharia apologist, Ron Paul’s Hate America & Israel foreign policy on full display, the phony protests in Chinese Turkestan, and that China’s debt problems are worse than Portugal’s.
As of now, this HFR has received a record number of comments on the Forum, well over 200 – with all but a small fraction ignoring everything else except Rick Perry, devolving into a debate between pro- and anti-Perry TTPers.
I’m not about to try and settle this – and no matter who’s right, the debate has been very informative. I’ll just suggest certain considerations for the debate in hopes they may be taken into account as the debate continues, as it no doubt will.
First, every election we always hear that this one is “the most important of our lifetimes” – but in 2012, it is in fact true. This is the Big One. America is right now on the brink of full-on economic collapse and a full-on 1984 Fascist Dictatorship thanks to an almost fatal error electing Zero. Zero’s re-election would remove the “almost.”
Second, the ABO – Anyone But Obama – argument is silly. The monumental damage Zero has done has momentum, inertia. It will keep going even without him. It will take a counterforce to slow it down to where capitalist repair mechanisms can exceed the rate of damage. The absolute minimum, then, for a Republican nominee is someone who can supply at least this counterforce.
Third, the Buckley argument is the opposite of silly. Bill Buckley averred that he would always support the most conservative electable candidate in a race – and expected everyone to note the qualifier. There may be exceptions to this, but 2012 is not one of them.
Fourth, for such a conservative electable candidate to effectively supply the sufficient counterforce, he or she must target not only the active damage of the Dems, but the passive damage of the Rinos whose SOP is chronic wimping out to Dem intimidation.
Fifth, the most dynamic game-changing force in US politics today is the Tea Parties. All of the above requires a nominee who has their enthusiastic support, and who can focus their efforts into successful victories for the White House, Senate, and House – and a successful seizure of the machinery of the Republican Party itself.
Sixth, if you want perfection, die and go to heaven, as that’s the only place you’ll find it. If you want a Messiah, pray for the Second Coming, but don’t demand it of a Republican presidential candidate. If you want miracles, pray that the Almighty will perform them, but don’t expect them to be performed by a human being, POTUS or no.
Seventh, in 2012, the Dems are going to conduct the most immoral electoral campaign in American history – and do it with over a billion dollars. The smears, the lies, the politics of personal destruction, the cheating and vote fraud will be nuclear.
We are fighting to get the government out of our lives – they are fighting for their survival as the only existence they know is as moochers and parasites. And the only morality they know is: the end justifies the means. Anything goes. There are no rules and no laws that apply to them.
Which means we must have a candidate capable of standing up to this, who will be as cold-blooded cutthroat as they are, and can raise the hundreds of millions to do so.
Bottom line: this is as serious as it gets, life or death for America, millions of Americans consigned to poverty, tyranny, and the clear possibility of massive bloodshed, or not. So we need to choose our horse in the race with ruthless realism.
Let’s start winnowing out the unelectable folks no matter how nice they are or how principled or ego-driven who have no chance whatever of winning the Pub primaries much less the general: Gingrich, Santorum, Cain, McCotter, Huntsman, and Paul. They may stay in to get their points across in the debates, but that’s it.
Of the declared candidates, that leaves Bachmann, Romney, and Perry. The least electable is Bachmann. She’s wonderfully pro-American, her many fans adore her with good reason. But that’s not good enough. She’s not cutthroat enough and she can’t raise enough money.
Which is why so many of her supporters are switching to Perry, and her paid-for Ames victory didn’t amount to a bale of hay.
So we’re left with Romney and Perry. This is not a fair fight. But politics never is. Our guy is going to be up against a Dem who will try to knee him in the groin and gouge his eyes out. Who do you want in the ring against him? Rick, who jogs with a .380 Ruger, plugs a coyote with it and laughs, “Now he’s mulch” – or Mitt, whose response to queries on Romneycare, will be as one wag puts it, to “rope-a-dope himself to the mat”?
What’s funny is that it’s taken the Rino Establishment all of five days (it’s Thursday and Perry declared last Saturday) to figure out that Perry is going eat Romney for a breakfast snack and are already frantically searching for a replacement – someone, anyone who can stop Perry.
So suddenly there’s this flurry of desperate “leaks” about Paul Ryan or Chris Christie running, which the non-candidates have to wearily shoot down.
The fact is, both the Dems and the Rinos are afraid of Perry. They are afraid of him. That’s who we need, someone they are scared of. Is there anyone else?
Did I hear someone say Sarah?
Yes, the only two folks who strike fear into Dem and Rino hearts alike are Palin and Perry. So let me tell you what she’s going to do.
Palin is a huntress. She is now watching her quarries, Perry and Zero, watching and waiting. She knows Perry will be hit with a tsunami of smears, lies, distortions, the full monty of personal destruction. She’s been hit with it, stood right up to it, and is still standing. Can Perry? Will he still be standing after the tsunami washes over him or will he be swept away?
That’s what Palin is waiting to see. If he’s still standing and fighting back as hard as ever, then she endorses and campaigns for him. If he’s swept away, she declares her candidacy.
This will not take long. The Dems and Rinos are going for a quick knockout. The deluge has already started, e.g., ridiculing Texas jobs (which means ridiculing Texas, how smart is that?)[1] or accusing him of executing an innocent man.[2]
Next up – watch for it – will be rumors and reports that he’s a closet homosexual. They’ve already begun circulating a rumor about him and some unnamed veterinarian in Dallas. This is drivel, of course. Perry is a man’s man, and a real woman’s man too. The contrast between his true masculinity and Zero’s metrosexuality is so overt that the Dems will do anything to demean it.
Yet what about all the criticism of Perry from our side, which are genuine concerns such as requiring HPV vaccinations and accusations of crony capitalism regarding wind energy or toll roads?
These and others raise legitimate questions, and the debate among them on the Forum will continue. I, for example, don’t understand how Perry can think warmism is a “phony mess” yet be all for some expensive renewable energy program. For me, though, his contempt for the EPA and ethanol subsidies plus being a total drill-baby-drill guy way overcomes this.
And that’s really the issue. Whenever we have to make an important real world decision, it’s always weighing the assets against the liabilities. It’s never all of the former and none of the latter. For me, Perry’s assets – particularly for the fight we’re in – overwhelm his liabilities.
We need a president who wants to turn the terrorist enemies of America into mulch, who’s a climate skeptic’s dream, who says, “Mr. Obama talks a lot about jobs, but the only job he really cares about is the one he’s got,” whose electoral strategy is “to keep your boot on your opponent’s neck until after the election and all the votes are counted.”
We need a president who tells the press in interviews and writes in print that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are “bankrupt,” that they are “Ponzi schemes.” Who writes that two “great milestones on the road to serfdom” for America were the passage of the 16th and 17th Amendments.
You can find these statements in his book, Fed Up! Our Fight To Save America From Washington. It’s the book I mentioned above that I’ve been reading. His main theme, his main vehicle to reclaim our country from the federalies, is the 10th Amendment. States can do all kinds of things that Washington cannot is one primary lesson he draws from it.
The lesson I draw from his is that a lot of things he has done as governor that are questionable would be unconstitutional anathema to him as president. I cannot encourage you more to read his book, read his passion for the 10th Amendment, then judge for yourself.
We’re in the fight of our lives, folks – a street fight for our lives with no rules. The only thing that matters is who wins as that’s the way the enemy plays. If we don’t have a go-for-the-jugular ruthless street fighter on our side, we lose.
I don’t see anyone else but Perry or Palin – and if Perry is still standing by the end of September (the latest Palin has said she would get in), it’s him with Palin behind him.
You don’t always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need.
retire05 commented:
The problem Mitt Romney has is the same one that John McCain had; the loser in the last primary should be the next in line.
Now, I have no doubt that Mitt Romney is a good man who loves his wife and sons and would be better than the Marxist we currently have sitting in the Oval Office. But he is also trying to run from Romneycare, a system that had increased the debt in his state, punished businesses with rules that cost more than they are worth, decreased the availability of prompt health care in Massachussets and his defense that Romneycare was constitutional based on the state constitution makes you wonder just what the heck is in the Massachussets constitution.
Romney has also said that if he were president, he would issue Obamacare waivers to every state in the nation. But what if California didn’t want a waiver? Would the rest of the nation’s taxpayers be required to pick up the tab? Would California’s ability to throw even more people into the Medicare/Medicaid system destroy that system for current seniors who rely on it?
Romney needs to distance himself from Romneycare. Not double down on it.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/22/romney_health_plan_a_bust_for_massachussetts_111436.html
lemonaide commented:
I’ll vote for ANYONE who runs against Obama, but if it’s Romney I’m not sure we’ll really be much better off. As someone said, the more he talks the less I like him.
Amjean commented:
I wish this site would quit “shilling” for Perry.
srk commented:
perry 2012…nuff said
Valerie commented:
Texas has a right-to-work law, so this kind of mess does not happen.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-pensions-gannon-20110922,0,913026.story
Texas does have unions, but membership (payment of dues) is voluntary, and the members therefore have the ability to control their own representatives.
Perhaps this is what Romney means by a Texan being “unelectable.”
listingstarboard commented:
MSM and Cocktail Party Republicans seem to be successfully destroying Rick Perry.
Perfected democrat commented:
#21, tom’s comment, everything in one concise statement that everyone needs to know; too bad only the choir here will see it….
Bob Z commented:
They said the same thing about President Reagan.
daryl commented:
Texas (Partially) Explained – Page 1 – Cal Thomas – Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2011/09/22/texas_partially_explained
Texas (Partially) Explained – Page 2 – Cal Thomas – Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2011/09/22/texas_partially_explained/page/2
donh commented:
Obama is desparate to crown Myth Romney as his opponent so his minions can detail the racist history of the Mormon Church in the general election. Romney also plays right into Obama’s stereotype of the Republican party being all about protecting the richest 1% CEOS from tax hikes. It is very quiet now, but once Romney is the nominee it will be all RACISM RACISM RACISM….and his Tar Baby comment. ..and Romney will help himself lose by moderation in response to all out race/class war… http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/31/politics/main1851199
Militant Conservative commented:
I’ll take a conservative cowboy over a city slicker
Any day.
Mitt, America want a bold leader, that leave you out.
JDF commented:
Perry is a New World Order Demotard in disguise.
Check this out…
From The Drudge Report
81 percent of the new jobs in Texas went to immigrants.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/study-most-new-texas-jobs-went-immigrants
MamaGrizzly commented:
People: please reread the article. I am a journalist. They are spinning this story. Just actually read what Romney said. It’s nothing that isn’t out there in broad daylight. He is not being spiteful. He has a disagreement with Perry over Perry’s stated position on Social Security.
The Perry handlers are spouting spin as well.
——
My take on this is that all is still being orchestrated to give us a trojan horse candidate with Perry. I don’t trust Perry. It just smacks of show biz.
Finncrisp commented:
The moderate comment is a real buzz kill for Mitt. Do not frankly understand why in the present political climate ANY moderate is acceptable. The Dems are expelling thiers at record numbers to move their party into the Marxist column, and the tea party is sending them packing on the Republican side as well to move that party to the right. Just because independents out number both parties indivuidually, does not mean they are moderates? Who in the hell is polling for him?
retire05 commented:
Let us not forget that Social Security was a scam from day one. There was a reason the retirement age was set at 65. The average life expectancy of a white male was 58, 60 for a white woman, and under 50 for a black male. Most people were expected to die before they could ever collect. So a man, and his wife, who paid into the system for 20 years were expected to die before they collected a dime and they money would have simply gone back into the system to cover those who were lucky enough to live long enough to collect.
But that premise went out the window with the very first person who received a Social Security check.
Some say that SS is working, but just needs a little “tweeking.” But good policies and plans don’t need tweeking. That is what makes them good. Now, Obama is reducing payroll taxes, which denies Social Security much needed funding, instead of lowering the action income tax. The SSA actually is currently paying out more than it is taking in. SS is now operating much like the rest of our nation, on a deficit.
Like a lot of plans started under the New Deal (paying farmers for NOT growing crops and keeping the costs of food elevated more than it should be due to competition), Social Security should probably be phased out gradually. Offer those who are over a certain age a scheduled buy out, by where they would take the money they have paid in to invest as they see fit. Allow younger people to opt-out, or opt-in, as they see fit.
But the leviathan in the room is not so much Social Security, but the other entitlement programs that no one really wants to talk about; welfare. Dependency breeds more dependency, and welfare should also be phased out. There is nothing in the Constitution that supports the federal government proving housing for citizens.
Gary commented:
Come on. Perry and Romney are the same guy with different accents.
Yes Perry called SS a ponzi scheme, but when pushed on it in the debate, he backed off it.
That’s how he’ll govern.
As for Romneycare and Obamacare, it used to be called Hillarycare right after Clinton was elected, and Perry was a big fan:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/30/rick-perrys-camp-defends-1993-hillarycare-praise/
You lot can delude yourselves that you have found your new Reagan in Perry, but you’re going to wake up with a headache and 20 bucks on the nightstand the morning after election.
Bachmann is Reagan. Palin is Reagan. Perromney is not Reagan.
Patty commented:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/new-hampshie-poll-romney-41-paul-14-huntsman-10-perry-8_594037.html
Candidates are all over the place. Each one has their pros and cons. The media has made this two candidate race.
It seems the straw polls have had a different candidate winning. Paul has won, Bachman a won and Romney has won one. It is all over the map.
Gov. of Florida says who ever win the straw poll will be president.
All that concerns me is that WE DEFEAT OBAMA. I hope that the candidates will stop pickering about small issues and start telling us about how they will help America NOW.
And what they will do to take this inexperience head on. Tell America the problems Obama has created and his policies that will strangle America’s economy. HE NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT. STOP FIGHTING AMONG ONE ANOTHER AND START FOCUSING ON THIS NATION.
Mikey commented:
Rick Perry 2012. Git er done, there Governor.
Valerie commented:
#29 September 22, 2011 at 10:35 am
Amjean commented:
I don’t think the owner of this site is shilling for Perry. And, he doesn’t control the commenters, other than to pull those comments that violate the site policy against nastiness.
The comment -Ugh- at the top of this article is fair, because Romney is doing something distasteful to those who want to elect a Republican — actively supporting what will undoubtedly be a theme of the Democratic party come election time. Giving the Democrats something to quote later is not helpful.
Perry’s criticism of Romney’s healthcare law, is also carried on this site, and not in kindly terms. “Dropping a bomb” on a fellow party member is also commentary, a way of saying that the statement is extreme.
For me, the coverage here simply reflects the reality that Perry has been able to generate some favorable publicity by 1) getting attention with a crisp statement and 2) following up with sweet reason. If he can keep this up, he will stand a very good chance of winning the election.
I think he has good training for the job of POTUS, because he got elected three times to the governorship of the State of Texas. Texas is a big state, populous, and hell-bent on controlling its government. A Texas governor gets early — and frequent — schooling in the scope and limits of a governor’s action.
For me, the Gardasil and Trans-Texas corridor defeats speak well for him. They show he’s open to big ideas, that he has the drive to push for what he thinks will be good for his state, and that he may have learned the painful lesson that it’s not enough to desire what is good, in order to get approval, you have to also go about it in the right way.
If you are referring to the commenters and their battle over their favorites, yes, we have shills, if that’s what you want to call them.
MamaGrizzly commented:
Uhm . . . Romney NEVER SAID Perry isn’t moderate enough to win. IT’S NOT THERE.
And “caustic comment?” Pullleeeze.
Read what they are quoting Romney as saying. There is not a smidgen of “caustic” in it.
Unlike PERRY, if you watch his debates. Perry is snide and likes to manipulate. He bitched about Mitt Romney’s “acreage” just like Charlie Rangle. Just like a Dem. Perry can say whatever he wants to get elected, then change it once there. Romney has a track record you can actually research. After researching, if you still don’t agree with his platform, fine. But stop being tossed around by media writers. They will now start putting more and more negative lies out about Romney. Either Hillary or Obama can wax Perry in a debate, and they know it.
A friend of mine who has incredible gifts at people reading, took one look (less than 5 seconds) at Obama at the height of the 2008 campaign, before knowing anything about him, and said Obama was the most dangerous man he’d ever seen. My friend took a look at Perry and said Perry lies and enjoys the fact that he CAN lie and trick people, and that Perry is not who he’s pretending to be.
Anecdotal? Yes. But my friend has never been wrong about anyone.
retire05 commented:
Gary, Perry’s letter to Clinton was to request that the TASK FORCE, which was to design Hillarycare, give consideration to America’s farmers, many of whom had no access to immediate health care at the time.
Now, since the letter was written in April, long before the actual Hillarycare plan was revealed, perhaps you would like to explain to us how Perry knew what the plan would actually entail, since even Hillary did not know the details at the time?
MamaGrizzly commented:
(Romney) “expressed skepticism that his rival had the experience to govern effectively if he (Perry) did win.”
I don’t think Perry can govern effectively either.
Perry is Perot–sent to divide the Republican party. Watch, and you’ll see it yourself. And he defers to Obama. Watch the debates again and take all personal emotion out of it. Just listen to the answers.
Is ANYONE who loves Perry the least bit skeptical or suspicious of him? I mean, I think Romney would be a good president, but I don’t think he’s some kind of uber-human.
I will stand by this, that Perry is a trojan horse candidate. Looks SO GOOD on the outside, but look out . . .
retire05 commented:
MamaGrizzly, your friend is no Nostrodamus. Anyone with two grey cells bumping together knew that Obama was dangerous.
But you can take this to the bank: Rick Perry is solid in his beliefs, be they about his faith, or the way he governs. He also, unlike Romney, can admit to his mistakes.
vineyard commented:
#39 MamaGrizzley is right. This blog has twisted the story. Perry can call things like he sees them and that is somehow the noble cowboy thing to do. Mitt just has to sit back and smile and never call someone on their record? Give me a break.
Perry-ites are thin skinned and emotional, just like their candidate. Or wait, maybe that’s Obama.
And as much as I detest Perry, I still won’t write someone in, at voting time. It’s GOP or bust. Not even Perry is as bad as the big zero.
MamaGrizzly commented:
“Rick, who jogs with a .380 Ruger, plugs a coyote with it and laughs, “Now he’s mulch” ”
Kind of why I think Perry is a sh*t-head. And I come from a hunting family. Blech.
Valerie commented:
#38 September 22, 2011 at 10:48 am
JDF commented:
So most of the new job positions in Texas were filled by people, including American citizens, who moved there?
LOL. No surprise, there. Texas has maintained better employment figures through this latest crisis, than most other states. I lived in Houston during the oil boom before the last housing crisis (1970s and 1980s). During my commute, every day, the highway was crammed with cars that had Michigan plates.
Ambitious and desperate people follow the jobs. That means that the unemployment figures of other states are eased, when jobs are filled in Texas.
MamaGrizzly commented:
And then poster #26 ends with:
“You don’t always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need.”
from Mick Jagger, of the Rolling Stones, who drugged and raped Mackenzie Phillips when she was a teenager. Guess she was “mulch.”
MamaGrizzly commented:
I don’t like Perry or his people.
Patty commented:
Candidate all have baggage. But one thing is for sure, Obama was really trying to go middle of the road during the campaign. We see what he has done. So, far left his neck is crooked.
Speaking of Crooked, where was the research of his prior qualifications as a Senator or President.
I can’t trust articles like this one nor could I trust anyone who says someone isn’t moderate, or moderate enough.
Whether Romney wins or whoever, we better make DARN sure we can Trust them and their actions of the past are ALL checked out. WE MUST DEFEAT OBAMA.
We need someone we can trust and this thing boils down to Past actions of each candidate and
MamaGrizzly commented:
Actually, retire05, at the time of the early election season, in 2007, Obama was practically quoting Reagan and JFK in his speeches. Which is why he fooled a lot of people.
My friend just LOOKED at Obama–did not listen to a single word–and made the assessment.
retire05, you are just like all the other Perry supporters. It’s all in the archives–ugly, mean-spirited, rude etc. People are starting to REALLY not like you.
And your insults on people who still like Palin are really gross.
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retire05 is a troll
MamaGrizzly commented:
Patty said:
“I can’t trust articles like this one nor could I trust anyone who says someone isn’t moderate, or moderate enough.”
Agree, Patty, but Romney NEVER SAID IT. It’s just something they wrote in the story. The writers wrote it, but Romney actually never said anything even close.
The media will puff Perry. They will try to get rid of Romney, because the electorate favor him against Obama, and because he can win against Hillary. Perry can’t.
Doug Edelman commented:
One would hope THIS would about cook Romney’s goose with the conservatives of America! CATCH ON, PEOPLE! RObamneyCare Romney is NO CONSERVATIVE!
MamaGrizzly commented:
“But you can take this to the bank: Rick Perry is solid in his beliefs, be they about his faith, or the way he governs. He also, unlike Romney, can admit to his mistakes.”
LOL retire05. Romney also admits to mistakes and frankly says he has changed his position on issues upon further thought. If you look at MA health care law, it’s what MA wanted. MA is a liberal bastion and a wreck. Romney doesn’t say it was a mistake, because it wasn’t in his opinion. But he’s totally against any federal mandates.
This whole Perry thing is a bunch of carnival smoke and mirrors. His faith. His guns. His “conservatism.”
Whatever.
Patty commented:
Obama wasn’t a candidate he was the messiah. Everything he said was a lie, well, that may not be true, he has done what the left wanted in many instances.
Our values have been compromised with Obama.
retire05 commented:
LOL. MamaGrizzly is now claiming that “people” are starting to REALLY not like me. I guess MamaGrizzly thinks she is now in a position to speak not only for herself, but others, as well.
News flash, you don’t have to like me. You neither pick up my tax tab or pay my bills so I am really not concerned with the fact that you don’t like me, MamaGrizzly.
You really should be an equal opportunity hater. Why don’t you dig into Romney’s history with Bain Capital that used Soros styled hostile takeover practices?
Mats commented:
After Odumbo, ANYONE is electable.
retire05 commented:
MamaGrizzly, there is not a dimes worth of difference in oppressive government. It makes no matter to citizens whether the federal goverment is forcing them to purchase a product they don’t want and feel they may not need, and the state government doing that to you.
Just out of curiosity, what state are you from?
daryl commented:
“retire05 is a troll”
So am I. I went trolling for Perry hating dingbats at Gateway blog and had theree on my line at one time.
Just say PALIN AIN”T RUNNIN’ and they will jump in the boat with you.
Patty commented:
When push comes to shove….WE MUST DEFEAT OBAMA.
Independents ARE now leaving Obama in droves. It is ours to win. We can afford to blow it this time around.
Too many of our values have been compromised and too much money has been lost and too many people have been concerned about their interests and not the interest of America.
Whichever of the candidate you believe has our best interests at heart will win.
Our candidate needs the independents or they won’t win.
workingclass artist commented:
@#38 JDF
Texas has a robust economy. Immigration law enforcement is federal & so is border security. So your point is that in Texas people work and pay taxes whether they are legal residents or illegal residents & Gov. Perry is to be faulted for this?
These stats are common in robust economies as immigration history shows in many regions since the first immigrant waves.
Border Security is federal. This has been an ongoing problem made worse in the Obama economy.
Texas has over 5000 people moving here a month.
Texas doesn’t have a state income tax…Texas relies sales taxes & property taxes. So everybody in Texas pays taxes.
So help me out here….Texas and any other border state is wrong to employ people when Immigration enforcement and reform is federal and tied up in Congress along with weak border security? Maybe you are saying that Gov. Perry & Texas is at fault for making the best out of a difficult situation that has helped the Texas economy weather the recession and we should be more like bankrupted California. These people work and open businesses and become Texans. Most immigrants are legally sponsored to be here through church and family networks.
My question to you is this…If we are to have effective border security ( And that does not include the ludicrous idea of building a wall in the middle of the Rio Grande River or damming it as it enters New Mexico as one of two major waterways ) Who in this primary race has as much knowledge to effectively secure the border and have a consistent immigration reform policy that won’t wreck the American Economy then the longest serving Border State Governor?
Texas exports billions in trade to Mexico. All the border states do. Do you really think wrecking the economy from Florida to California is a viable GOP strategy?
Gov. Perry has made it pretty clear.
1. Immigration Reform and effective enforcement cannot happen until there is Border Security. That is the priority and migration south will likely result when it does.
2. Illegal Undocumented Workers will be documented under a Guest Worker Program and they will be taxed. Grafters and Forgers will be prosecuted. Guest Workers who want to be US citizens will have to meet the criteria & will have to stand in line. Those that don’t will have to leave when their worker status is up.
3. Immigration reform will have to be legislated in Congress (hopefully under a congress with more conservatives) These laws have been mucked up by liberals for decades and will have to comply with the constitution.
workingclass artist commented:
@348 Mamagrizzly
“(Romney) “expressed skepticism that his rival had the experience to govern effectively if he (Perry) did win.”
I don’t think Perry can govern effectively either.
Perry is Perot–sent to divide the Republican party. Watch, and you’ll see it yourself. And he defers to Obama. Watch the debates again and take all personal emotion out of it. Just listen to the answers.”
OK….you have officially Nuked the Fridge…..You are delusional and highly entertaining.
But go ahead and troll for either one-term Obamalite or a half term non-candidate political celebrity on the payroll of Bhopal Coale….or Supa Anti-Fed Loon Ron Paul.
Valerie commented:
#46 September 22, 2011 at 11:08 am
MamaGrizzly commented:
“….My friend took a look at Perry and said Perry lies and enjoys the fact that he CAN lie and trick people, and that Perry is not who he’s pretending to be.”
You have a point there, and the question is how that particular character trait will play out. People who enjoy politicking also enjoy placing their words just so, in order to be persuasive. Bill Clinton called him “a good-looking rascal.” I think he was referring to that same trait, and he should know.
I figure the best I am going to get out of any of the Repub candidates is 60% of what I want, because I am a liberal. I am looking, however, at a shambling disaster of an administration, should BO get another 4 years. The big middle of this country turned away from Jimmy Carter, and I hope the Repubs will pick a good candidate for the rest of us, because the Dems have re-created one of their biggest electoral mistakes.
daryl commented:
#46 mammygrz
“A friend of mine who has incredible gifts at people reading, took one look (less than 5 seconds) at Obama at the height of the 2008 campaign, before knowing anything about him, and said Obama was the most dangerous man he’d ever seen. My friend took a look at Perry and said Perry lies and enjoys the fact that he CAN lie and trick people, and that Perry is not who he’s pretending to be.
Anecdotal? Yes. But my friend has never been wrong about anyone.”
Funniest damned thing I’ve heard in days…………
You ARE sh*!!ing US aren’t you??? Or maybe just yourself………………..
Your friend must have missed obama at the ’04 dim convention giving the key note speech.Most of us drew the same conclusion then, in much less than five seconds.
StrangernFiction commented:
Thanks for posting that piece april.
We’re in the fight of our lives, folks – a street fight for our lives with no rules. The only thing that matters is who wins as that’s the way the enemy plays. If we don’t have a go-for-the-jugular ruthless street fighter on our side, we lose.
Bears repeating and applies across the board. Do Boehner and McConnell fit the bill?
workingclass artist commented:
@ #62 mamagrizzly
“LOL retire05. Romney also admits to mistakes and frankly says he has changed his position on issues upon further thought. If you look at MA health care law, it’s what MA wanted. MA is a liberal bastion and a wreck. Romney doesn’t say it was a mistake, because it wasn’t in his opinion. But he’s totally against any federal mandates.”
AYFM?
This is laughable…Mitt Romney the Stalwart Opposition in a Liberal State…Romneycare…Mitt was Pro-Choice 2002 before he was Pro-Life 2005…And Mitt was Pro-Gay Marriage 2004 but that’s OK cause he’s just that way for Massachusetts?
He is Obamalite…And that is what makes him unelectable in both the GOP primary even if he tries to buy it & the general against Obama.
kato commented:
Perry has shown me two things: 1) He’s a loudmouth blowhard, and 2) like most blowhards, he’s not very intelligent.
For all the people on this website who are outraged at Chicago politics, let me suggest to you that Perry’s time in Austin has been worthy of the Chicago Seal of Approval.
jony101 commented:
we dont want moderate, mccain was moderate (bordering on communism), Sarah Palin is right of moderate. We want hot or cold, we wont settle for lukewarm, we want fire, the eye of the tiger, we want victory.
Patrick Henry said ‘give us victory or give us death” he wasn’t going to settle for a ceasefire or tie. We are tire of girlymen, yesmen, men wearing earrings and mandresses.
workingclass artist commented:
@#73 Kato
Do you live in Austin?
daryl commented:
#73
No need to back up your bulls**t allegations kjo. We’ll just consider the source.
tommy mc donnell commented:
i don’t like perry he is a colonizer. but i think mitt is unelectable.
Jim commented:
I for one am sick of moderates (along with libs). Stick it to ‘em Perry!
Liz commented:
If Perry’s views didn’t bother me, the fact his governing syle is far from conservative and his flirtation (I’m being kind) with corruption would definitely deter me. Romney is right.
Sehe s commented:
The RINOS (liberals in the GOP) and liberals not in the GOP ALWAYS play the same game.
They did it to Reagan
“And since G.O.P. Front Runner Ronald Reagan relies upon a base of support that is on the far right wing of the Republican Party, some experts have long declared that if he wins the nomination, the G.O.P. would simply be repeating the suicidal Goldwater campaign. Ex-President Gerald Ford left no doubt about his views when he warned last month: “A very conservative Republican cannot win in a national election.”
And liberal POLLSTERS INCLUDING GALLUP play their games each time Their fake poll results LIE and they lied about Reagan
“National opinion polls continue to show Carter leading Reagan by an apparently comfortable margin of about 25%. They also show that more moderate Republicans like Ford would run better against the President. This suggests that Reagan is not the strongest G.O.P. choice for the November election and that he clearly faces an uphill battle.”"
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921912,00.html#ixzz1YhiAF7PX
Reagan DID win and Americans were shown to BE CONSERVATIVE even though the polls increasing said they weren’t
BTW Reagan was not for gay “rights” , fake science, socialised medicine, big government or starting wars.
Liz commented:
Perry doesn’t qualify as a moderate. The forced injections of young girls by executive fiat is……more akin to a dictatorship. Ughhhh… Double UGHH.
Liz commented:
Why did Perry vote Carter over Reagan? Not intuitive, this guy. He is the ultimate flip-flopper. And I know there are many out there. But Perry flops on stuff that MATTERS.
Liz commented:
There are jobs in Texas. We almost moved there this summer ’cause we got employed there. Problem was, Perry hiked the property taxes up to nearly the highest in the nation, put in ALL these toll roads……we can’t afford to live that way. Not in what should be the wild, FREE west.
daryl commented:
Liz
A Rick Perry hater boarded a plane in Dallas and was seated next to a little boy from Texas who was reading a book about the Boy Scouts. Ever the nosy busybody the Perry hater struck up a conversation with the little boy. “Do you want to talk, she asked? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger .”
The little boy, who had just started to read his book, replied to the stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”
” Oh, I don’t know. How about why anyone would believe Rick Perry would make a good Pre”sident “,said the busybody, and smiled smugly.OK, that might be interesting, but first let me ask you a question”, said the boy. “Did you know that deer, horses, and cows all eat grass. But a deer digests it and excretes tiny pellets, while cows pass flat patties, and the horse produces clumps. Can you tell me why that is?
Without her computer which was stored in the overhead to google the answer the bb was at a complete loss, and said, “Hmmm, good question, but I don’t know the answer.”To which the little boy replies,”Then do you really feel qualified to discuss presidential politics, when you don’t know jack about sh*t?”
And then he went back to reading his book.
daryl commented:
liz = bg
daryl commented:
As for your almost moving here, I’m glad you changed your mind when you decided there wasn’t enough freebies.. Texas doesn’t need you diluting our conservative vote.
retire05 commented:
Liz, perhaps you would like to tell us what state you were going to move from. That way, we could compare a couple of things: values of homes based on same square footage, ad valorum tax bases, and how taxes are levied.
You also don’t seem to know how ad valorum taxes are levied in Texas. Glad you didn’t move here. We already have enough uninformed people in Texas. We call them “Demcrats.”
bg commented:
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what would one call this??
Perry Wanted a Bi-National Plan That Would Include Mexico
[President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues. At the same time we must continue to deepen our economic ties, expanding opportunities for Mexican and U.S. companies to do business on both sides of the border. The outlook is promising, even if the road to prosperity is a long one. We share a bond as neighbors, and we find our culture north of the Rio Grande to be increasingly defined by the strong traits of people of Hispanic descent. Texas has long enjoyed a unique identity, an identity forged by an independent spirit, and the convergence of many different peoples. We must welcome change in the 21st Century as we have in every century before it.]
how about this??
“I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s
health care system are most commendable.” – RP
a bit more of much more here & here, and we didn’t even touch
on his penchant for “open borders or Dream Act he signed on to..
may i suggest Perry supporters immediately stop bashing Obama,
as it seems quite obvious to me that Perry relishes eating peas..
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retire05 commented:
bg, posting the same, tired spin that bg has become infamous for.
Patty commented:
We certainly want the very best candidate to run against Obama. Obama, today, would lose against a republican candidate. His job approvals are horrible and the crimes and scandals of this administration should be disgust at the debates.
It is still early, but if any candidate can answer questions intelligently and keeps the momentum going he or she will win the hearts and minds of America.
Obama has never been a moderate. He is a true blue liberal. CONSERVATIVE ISN’T A MODERATE, FOR SURE. Or is that true. Perry isn’t as far right as we may think.
Even though Romney has run before one thing for sure, he doesn’t give up.
Romney care has hurt Romney. Ponzi Scheme has hurt Perry, I don’t think so, but it may for some voters. Vaccine comment was explained and may hurt him. But in my opinion both have explained themselves.
The real Candidate is one who will hit Obama hard and will get him out of office because there are too many things that just don’t jive with American Values and our Love for Country. Too soon to predict any candidate but one thing for sure who ever hits Obama hard with facts and Obama own words will come out the real winner.
bg commented:
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Governors Report Card: How Romney,
Huntsman, Perry Changed Health Care
["Our plan was a state solution to a state problem. [Obama's] is a
power grab by the federal government to put in a place a one-size-
fits-all plan,” Romney said at a speech at the University of Michigan
Cardiovascular Center in May. Whether or not Romney’s plan is right
for the country as a whole, it has achieved some of its goals within
Massachusetts.
In the first three years after Romney signed the health care law, the
percentage of people without health insurance dropped from 9 percent
in 2001 through 2005 to 5 percent by 2009. Massachusetts now has
the lowest percentage of the population without health insurance in
the country.
Conversely, Texas has the highest percentage of uninsured people. In
the Lone Star state, about one out of every four Texans does not have
health insurance. During Perry’s 10 years as governor, the uninsured
rate has risen slightly from 22 percent in 2000 to 26 percent in 2009.
Levitt said Texas’ high rate of uninsured people is in part because the
state has a large number of retail and service jobs that typically do
not provide insurance. Massachusetts, on the other hand, has a lot
of high-tech employment and jobs that come with insurance packages.]
scroll for more @ link (or not)..
[please ignore my opinions & click on letters highlighted blue, thanks..
]
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Patty commented:
Romney is wrong. IT IS A PONZI SCHEME. AND PERRY IS RIGHT.
IT IS COLLAPSING SOCIAL SECURITY ISN’T A BANK FOR GOVERNMENT. IT HAS TURNED INTO THAT BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT.
workingclass artist commented:
@#88 BG and sock puppets
That was a feasibility study to see If Mexico could pay 1/2 of the costs of their illegals living in the border colonias that the Federal Govt. won’t allow Texas to deport and forces Texas to school.
So your issue is Perry trying to see if Mexico could foot the bill instead of the burden being on Texas Taxpayers?
Next
Patty commented:
Government needs to keep their hands out of our money, period. Perry sees it happening and he and Paul Ryan know it.
Romney shouldn’t keep hitting Perry with the Ponzi Scheme thing. OBAMA IS THE REAL PERSON THEY MUST CONCENTRATE ON.
THIS IS GETTING OLD ALREADY. Please start talking the FAILURES OF OBAMA AND HOW YOU WILL FIX IT.
daryl commented:
bg said
“please ignore my opinions & click on letters highlighted blue, thanks”
Don’t worry yourself.
It’s not hard to ignore any or all of it. We already know that it’s something bashing Rick Perry.
workingclass artist commented:
@#90 Patty
Romney has lost every election campaign but one (his single term as Gov. of Mass)….Not a WINNER
Perry has won every election campaign he as entered and is the only candidate to beat both a Rove and an Axelrod Campaign….WINNER
daryl commented:
You don’t know what you’re talking about in saying Perry raised property taxes. They are set locally. Next!
TEXAS
Sales Taxes
State Sales Tax: 6.25% (non-prepared food, prescription and non-prescription drugs exempt); local option taxes can raise the rate to 8.25%.
Gasoline Tax: 20 cents/gallon
Diesel Fuel Tax: 20 cents/gallon
Cigarette Tax: $1.41 cents/pack of 20
Personal Income Taxes
No state personal income tax
Retirement Income: Not taxed.
Property Taxes
Property tax is imposed by local taxing units.Click here for details. For homeowners 65 and older, $10,000 (in addition to the regular $15,000 homestead exemption) of the property’s assessed value is exempt from school taxes and $3,000 is exempt from other local taxes. Once an over-65 homeowner qualifies for an over-65 homestead exemption for school taxes, that owner gets a tax ceiling for that home on school taxes. If the homeowner improves the home (other than normal repairs or maintenance), the tax ceiling is adjusted for the new additions. School district taxes are frozen for seniors (65 and older) and disabled persons at the level imposed on the residence the first year that the taxpayer qualified for the residence exemption. Counties, cities, towns, and junior college districts are permitted to establish a tax freeze on homesteads of those age 65 and older or disabled. For more information on exemptions, click here.
Inheritance and Estate Taxes
There is no inheritance and the estate tax is limited and related to federal estate tax collection.
For further information, visit the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts site or call the appropriate office using telephone numbers found on the site..
JDF commented:
Both Perry and Romney are progressives. Only Perry is pretending that he is a hard liner while Romney is openly a RINO.
daryl commented:
bg says
“click here, click there, scroll, here,here,here, and here.
ergo, et al, and sometimes y
So there. bring it. whatever.”
Don’t ask what she means by it all. You’ll only get more of the same. But hey! it makes her feel good about herself.
daryl commented:
Yeah #98
But either one of them beats obama by 200%.
Patty commented:
btw, BASHING OBAMA? Please! There are so many actual facts right on here and in the media that Obama has said and done. Holder needs to be mentioned and all the scandals and crimes.
Bashing Obama? Omg, it is hard to see that each candidate has so much to work with just ripe for the picking.
The guy needs to be out of Office and the prime target is to get there with facts. This is one of the most important elections in our nations history. We are being WEENIENIZED.
Holder gets his way all the Gitmo detainees and Illegals will be free.
Obama and partners who have no business mind just lost 500 billion in Solyndra and actually it will be proven 1 million. And there are so many other facts Candidates need to be speaking about. Damage that Obama has created with REGULATIONS.
And the media spin needs to be corrected every time the lie about Obama.
Obama care, repeal and let’s start talking about the job loss.
Ponzi scheme, vaccines, Romney care….we need to take the bull by the horn and stop the insanity WE NEED TO DEFEAT OBAMA AND START RESEARCHING HIS FAILURES NOW.
Patty commented:
one “TRILLION” IN SOLYDRA!!
CORRECTION
exceller commented:
Romney came in third losing to McCain and Huckabee last time, and Perry who has never lost is the unelectable one? lol
sorry Mittens, we’re all stocked up on Obamalites
Ladue Pundit commented:
retire05,
Your remarks about social security are true. Being self employed, all of my income is subject to 15.3% self-employment tax before income taxes are assessed. Schedule C filers DO NOT get pay stub tax holidays, because people who don’t pay into the “system” fixed it that way (i.e., congress).
The system has had major expenses for disability payouts in the last 6 years. People in their 20′s can get on the dole for life and never work again because “they are depressed” or something.
I think Perry should ask the SS cheerleaders at the debate tonight just how they plan to keep the checks going out, with 20% effective unemployment and a shrinking base of suckers like me.
Patty commented:
I believe once president any candidate will move to one side or the other but my hope is their decisions will benefit our American Values.
Stop spending
Repeal Obama care
Keep Gitmo open but Obama plans to get us out of all wars, then they will close gitmo.
Illegals having rights MUST STOP UNTIL THEY BECOME LEGAL CITIZEN.
I BELIEVE TAX REPRIEVE FOR BUSINESSES UNTIL WE CAN GET THEM TO START HIRING.
SOUNDS CRAZY MAYBE.
International relations with Israel need improving.
all candidates have more to work with and read what Issa has said about Obama and the many scandals.
Acorn needs to be put in its place, they have received more tax payer money.
Black Panthers case. Holder stopped it.
Just a world of things for them to debate.
We all are having our privacy slip away. From the food we eat to the car we drive.
speaking of Driving. LET’S TALK DRILLING AND STOP LETTING OTHER NATIONS DRILL ALL AROUND US.
Obama and his many manipulations of our government. Big government and Big brother are taking us over and we must WIN in November to stop this insanity.
StrangernFiction commented:
Both Perry and Romney are progressives. Only Perry is pretending that he is a hard liner while Romney is openly a RINO.
Yeah, that Romney is a real straight shooter.
bg commented:
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Ugh.
Ugh.
Ugh.
Ugh.
Ugh.
a “globalist” is a “globalist” is a “globalist”
if nothing else, Rick Perry is a “globalist”..
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daryl commented:
No place for grunts and groans bg.
Thought I had connected to the Harlequin Romance paperback website and some hackneyed heroine was renting her garments at the thought of her lost love.
You’re going to have to do better than ungh,ungh, ugh, ungh to attract the attention you’re seeking.
Ron commented:
I wonder what the former half term governor of alaska will say in the debate tonight? That’s right, she won’t be in the debate tonight because she’s not a candidate. Read over at HA earlier that she was “flirting” with the idea of a Third Party run. The smarmy look on her mug in the photograph in that article made my skin crawl. For someone who is supposed to be so f******brilliant she has to be smart enough to know that a Third Party run is a guaranteed second term for Obama. I truly don’t think she gives a r@t$@$$ about that though. The slogan on the side of her bus should be “Sarah First”. I have more respect for Lisa Ann than half governor Queen Sarah the Quitbull in Lipstick. A porn actress has more credibility than this twit. At least she doesn’t claim a life of victimhood led her to her calling like the “Golden Calf” of Alaska does. Palin and her freaky @$$ cult followers are about as clueless as she is in their adoration of her. If you clowns want what’s best for the country than start thinking with your heads instead of your bleeding hearts. Palin got the sh!tend of the stick in ’08, big f******deal, President Bush got the Sh!tend of the stick for 8 years and didn’t quit like she did after 2 1/2. You nista’s got pawned.
vityas commented:
I liked Romney better than McCain but because he was a Mormon and people wouldn’t elect him then because of strange religious beliefs that I can’t begin to understand since I’m not a Christian and don’t know the specifics of what bugged people, we got stuck with cabbage head. Now we need an actual man and mr. plastic will not do.
Of course between cabbage head and Romney, I like Romney. We’ll kick the can down the road again and hope to survive until Sarah gets elected.
bg commented:
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The message is simple: educacion es
el futuro, y si se puede. – Rick Perry
Plumbing the rest of the Perry record
[Perry, in a speech in Mexico in 2007, said he supports completely open borders, calling for the “free flow of individuals between these two countries who want to work and want to be an asset to our country and to Mexico.”]
much more here..
what’s the difference between Perry & Obama’s view re: borders??
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bg commented:
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vityas #110 September 22, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Amen..
albeit between the perception shaping polls, the MSM & GP posts,
who could even guess there are other candidates in the running,
not to mention plenty of time for even more to join in..
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bg commented:
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OT..
special delivery for daryl..
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daryl commented:
Your hero isn’t fareing too well over at HuffPo either, bg. While You’re here bashing Perry, they’re over there shredding and trying to strip her of her last shred of decency.
Rumoring of a d-i-v-o-r-c-e
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/15/joe-mcginniss-sarah-palin-rogue-book_n_964091.html
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daryl #114 September 22, 2011 at 2:28 pm
ROTFLMBO!!
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daryl commented:
I’ll say it again……
SARAH PALIN AIN’T RUNNIN’ !!!!!!
bg commented:
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ps re: daryl #114 September 22, 2011 at 2:28 pm
and no one knows whether or not she’ll be running, go figure..
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daryl commented:
You really should get up off the floor and stop laughing your ignorant a$$ off, because I nor anyone who really gives a crap for Palin really doesn’t see all that much that’s funny about what the bastard McGinnis is trying to do to her.
It’s damned sure no laughing matter. Fine supporter you are.
bg commented:
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daryl #118 September 22, 2011 at 2:37 pm
like i said..
carry on w/out me, i’ve had more than enough of you & your asinine ilk..
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daryl commented:
See if this induces laughter to the point your A$$ falls off while rolling on the floor.
Todd Palin Divorce: Rogue Rumor, or are Tell-All Books the Final Straw? – Entertainment & Stars
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/218424/20110922/todd-palin-divorce-sarah-palin-book-the-rogue-searching-for-the-real-sarah-palin-levi-johnston-brist.htm
daryl commented:
asinine ilk it is then bg. better than ignorance to the point of stupidity.
BUT SHE STILL AIN’T RUNNING.
Who (besides you and your ignorant bunch of cheerleaders)will vote for her after this finally leaks out.
bg commented:
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btw..
any DATA posted w/out a link to back it up is USELESS, duh fuhs..
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bg commented:
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daryl #120 September 22, 2011 at 2:45 pm
maybe the term HOCKEY STICK will resonate
with you, perhaps not, also not my problem..
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MamaGrizzly commented:
daryl, another liberal poster stumping for Perry, pretending to be a conservative:
slams and slimes Liz #83 for no reason whatsoever.
The problem with retire05-workingclassartist-daryl is that they are posers.
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That’s an interesting point, Liz. We’re not hearing about the property tax hikes OR toll roads.
MamaGrizzly commented:
daryl #120 is ACTUALLY PUSHING the JOE MCGINNISS BOOK?????? as some proof against the Palins?
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-!
From the link dear little daryl directs us to:
“Todd Palin spoke against the book — and McGinniss — on his Facebook page: “This is a man who has been relentlessly stalking my family to the point of moving in right next door to us to harass us and spy on us to satisfy his creepy obsession with my wife,” Todd Palin said in the statement. “His book is full of disgusting lies, innuendo, and smears….Even The New York Times called this book ‘dated, petty,’ and that it ‘chases caustic, unsubstantiated gossip.’”
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You can go to daryl’s link and read it yourself.
Hey daryl, you piece of lying liberal slime–oops–boy did you mess up.
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There are many legitimate posters here. Militant Conservative, for example, has kind of a hot temper, and I don’t agree with him a lot of times, but he is totally on the level.
These newcomers like retire05, daryl, workingclass, are just fakers.
MamaGrizzly commented:
http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/09/22/explosive-email-shows-anti-palin-author-mcginniss-random-house-likely-published-literary-hoax/
Craig commented:
Perry not a globalist scum? You got to be kidding me.
Study: Most new Texas jobs went to immigrants
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/study-most-new-texas-jobs-went-immigrants
Extracts:
“Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal),” says the report from the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates reduced levels of both legal and illegal immigration. The report estimates that about 40 percent of the new jobs were taken by illegal immigrants, while 40 percent were taken by legal immigrants. The vast majority of both groups, legal and illegal, were not American citizens. Native-born Americans filled just 20 percent of the new jobs in Texas.”
daryl commented:
mammygrits got her undies in a wad cause I linked to a damned book?
Aren’t you all just getting into a little bit of plain hysterical histrionic fits? And I thought grizzlies were meaner’n sh*t. What are you whimpering like a bunch of whipped pups for?
I didn’t write the damned book! I personally think it’s a bunch of lies. But It’s out there. I can’t UN out there it.
if it’s ok for you twits to bash Perry with whatever is on the web, lefty or not, why isn’t it ok to “vet” Palin the same way you all want to vet Perry.
Bunch of old hypocritical, whining, biddies whose candidate’s a$$ is on the griddle and you go berserk.
daryl commented:
As for you Craig, whether you know it or not old bg has worn that link out. Why don’t you just stick it in your ear.
daryl commented:
“Hey daryl, you piece of lying liberal slime–oops–boy did you mess up.”
That the best you got, whining, whimpering mammygrizzly?
Three or four more adjectives to bolster your noun would have really hurt. I mean I’m a sensitive guy and you could really present your posts more forcefully if you’d just try. D-
Craig commented:
“As for you Craig, whether you know it or not old bg has worn that link out. Why don’t you just stick it in your ear.” Daryl (#130)
Well I guess you didn’t read it enough. We should give the link to this article every 10 posts so it can get thru your dumb ears and thick head. Bg is right on this one: Perry is Globalist scum.
daryl commented:
Bg is right on this one: Perry is Globalist scum.
Wouldn’t want to be you once he’s nominated. Secret Service takes foreign threats pretty seriously.
Hell, ol’ Rick would probably take care of any threat you might present himself.
Craig commented:
ONE QUESTION TO YOU PEOPLE.
If you wouldn’t be such blood thirsty warmonger neocons, would you vote for Ron Paul on his economic policies, or constitutional integrity policies, or his freedoms and rights policies, or all the rest of his policies? I know you hate his foreign policies, but besides that policy, would you vote for him on the rest of his policies?
Craig commented:
“Hell, ol’ Rick would probably take care of any threat you might present himself.”Daryl (# 133)
I’m sure of that. He will bring your Police State to the highest level ever. This is what Globalists do. No Free Speach. Every Free Speach that disagree with him would be considered a THREAT. You’ve got that one right Daryl.
Come’on Perry, come get me in Canada, I’m very afraid, I’m hiding under my bed… lol
retire05 commented:
Craig, I will be more than happy to answer your question.
As a former precinct chair for Ron Paul’s earlier campaigns, my answer would be a resounding
“NO”.
MamaGrizzly commented:
Oh boy. daryl-retire05-workingclassartist is really on a roll. Not.
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mammygrits (“mammygrits” is it now? a bit racist, are we?)
got her undies in a wad (oh daryl, that is SO classy)
cause I linked to a damned book? (YOU were linking to it to “prove” something against the Palins)
Aren’t you all just getting into a little bit of plain hysterical histrionic fits? (that’s what you say about everyone and anyone who disputes your adoration of Perry)
And I thought grizzlies were meaner’n sh*t. (oh, I’m SO hurt. NOT)
What are you whimpering like a bunch of whipped pups for? (No one is “whimpering” but you. And BTW, you’re the one who is getting “whipped” for your disgusting and atrocious behavior and name-calling)
I didn’t write the damned book! I personally think it’s a bunch of lies. But It’s out there. I can’t UN out there it. (True, but YOU are claiming it as true about the Palins, which is really laughable)
if it’s ok for you twits to bash Perry with whatever is on the web, lefty or not, why isn’t it ok to “vet” Palin the same way you all want to vet Perry. (so, now we’re all twits . . . yawn . . . did you ever grow up past the 5th grade? I mean seriously. Vet away on ALL the candidates, daryl. Let’s have you start with Perry . . . crickets . . . )
Bunch of old hypocritical, whining, biddies whose candidate’s a$$ is on the griddle and you go berserk. (more potty mouth from daryl–no substance, just name-calling)
Has anyone here been to liberal rallies? daryl, retire05, workingclass SOUND EXACTLY LIKE THE LIBS do
hmmmmm . . .
MamaGrizzly commented:
That was just too funny–oooooh Perry’s gonna get us. Craig, this troll fest of Ron Paul/Perry supporters are pretty stupid.
But I agree that if Perry is in thick with the globalists, that is totally not good.
Craig commented:
Retire 00 is a woman who is stck on perry’s hair.
Craig commented:
I meant “STUCKED” on Perry’s hair
Molon Labe commented:
I can’t stand Romney but why would anyone vote for Perry?
MamaGrizzly commented:
Craig, I wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul for a number of reasons–he is delusional for one.
Like a broken clock, which is right twice a day, sometimes Paul says something true. But policy-wise, he’s just not right in the head.
Molon Labe commented:
You can always tell a Ronulian, they’re the ones in strait jackets.
daryl commented:
Guess ol’ mamayogi told me off resoundingly didn’t she.
I just have one thing to say to that. Yall can dish it out but you damned sure can’t take it!
Gimme a SHE
Gimme an AIN”T
Gimme a RUNNING
Gimme a ‘CAUSE
Gimme a SHE’S
Gimme a GOT
Gimme a TOO
Gimme a DAMNED
Gimme a MANY
Gimme an ISSUES
Militant Conservative commented:
WOW, all intelligence has left the thread.
Why would anyone listen to a socialist Quebecer?
It can’t vote, it doesn’t care about you. It wants what you have.
It is an outsider looking in. It hates you.
So Craig, remember your first BJ?…………….
Did you spit or swallow?
MamaGrizzly commented:
Okay–that’s IT for you, Militant Conservative.
I guess you are one with retire05-daryl-workingclassartist-etc.
YOU ARE HORRIBLE. Blech.
What a waste of time you are.
bg commented:
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MamaGrizzly #146 September 22, 2011 at 5:05 pm
caught on long ago, glad to have my suspect confirmed..
also know who else M C might be.. but alas, i truly don’t care what
), go fig..
names anyone poses by, as i try to stick to dealing with what they
post, which more times than not, says a lot more about the person
posting than anything else at any rate.. heck, they’ve even posed
as me (prob praying for my demise at the same time
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daryl commented:
My God! Why would anyone want to pose as your ignorant a$$?
#119 bg
That’s bg. Starts the s**t then skedaddles. Comes skulking back to have the last word.
Patty commented:
We need a person who is TOUGH and will tell America how they feel. We don’t need anymore pansies wastes. We have one in Office now.
Tough and a Patriot. One who knows where we have come from and exactly where this nation should be going. THE OPPOSITE OF OBAMA. WE MUST WIN THIS THING!
RedBeard commented:
One huge question involves what the Paulians are going to do after their guy gets trounced in the primaries.
Will they go to work for Obama’s campaign, echoing faux conservative Craig’s loopy pronouncements?
Will they try to sow discontent and convince Republicans to stay away from the polls, in much the same way as malcontents did in helping to torpedo McCain’s chances?
Or will we not know what they will do until they return to the Mother Ship and get further instructions?
Molon Labe commented:
They’ll beam up to the Mother ship and work for Farakhan.
Ryan D. commented:
New poster here. I read through this thread, and I am curious and a bit perplexed by the term “globalist,” and in particular, why posters are accusing Perry of being one. What does it mean to be a globalist, why is being one such a bad thing? Before anyone attacks me, I am simply seeking clarification, and am NOT at all arguing being one is a good thing, especially since I don’t even known what the term means in the context above. Also, being as specific as possible, why do some on here believe Perry is in fact one himself? Is this term more economic i(i.e., outsourcing is ultimately good for the economy and should not be discouraged, etc.), political (pro U.N. sentiments), or military/ national security (coalitions and treaties versus going it alone) in nature? Thanks in advance for answering my questions.
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Ryan D. #153 September 23, 2011 at 4:01 am
welcome.. and the first thing i would advise you to do
is scan the archives to help catch you up so to speak,
the next thing would be for you to do some extensive
research on Gov. Perry..
at any pace, here you go..
“globalist”
A national geopolitical policy in which the entire world is
regarded as the appropriate sphere for a state’s influence.
Perry is for “open borders”, etc..
more at link & in thread..
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