Rick Perry Tells New Hampshire Audience He’s Against a Border Fence

This won’t go over well with the conservative base.
Governor Rick Perry told a New Hampshire audience that he does not favor a fence along the Mexican border.

It’s not the first time that Perry has spoken out against a border fence. He suggested in 2009 that drones fly above the border to detect illegals crossing into the country.

The AP reported, via Free Republic:

He may have been 2,000 miles from the border, but Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry’s immigration record in Texas quickly became the focus in New Hampshire Saturday afternoon.

Speaking to hundreds of Granite State voters at a private reception, the Texas governor was asked whether he supported a fence along the Mexican border.

“No, I don’t support a fence on the border,” he said. “The fact is, it’s 1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso. Two things: How long you think it would take to build that? And then if you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good.”

The answer produced an angry shout from at least one audience member. And it exposed an ongoing rift with some conservative voters over Perry’s immigration record.

Tea party activists in Texas have been particularly upset by his steady opposition to the fence. He also signed a law giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition for Texas universities. And Texas tea party groups sent Perry an open letter this year expressing disappointment over his failure to get a bill passed that would have outlawed “sanctuary cities,” municipalities that protect illegal immigrants.

Perry has surged to the lead in national polls since joining the presidential race just three weeks ago. But New Hampshire Republicans are just getting to know him.

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  • aprilnovember811

    I’m alright with his explanation. He explained this on the Mark Levin Show, and if there are other ways to accomplish the same thing, I’m ok with it.

  • jainphx

    He’s is showing me a side I didn’t know of. I’m very concerned when he makes statements that sound like Janet Napolitano. I will wait and see! I still back Palin, who made just a fabulous speech today in Iowa. I stood up and cheered at most of it. Run Sarah run.

  • dwd

    Opposing a fence, granting illegals in-state tuition… he’s going to have to say what his plan for dealing with illegal immigration is. It’s not enough to answer the question “no I don’t support a fence” — he needs to say what he does support and would plan to do. All that law-abiding, legal citizens–and legal immigrants, for that matter–want is for people to follow the rules and not cheat, and not be rewarded for cheating. What’s your plan, Perry?

  • Robb

    A real screw up. Kinda like a new Corporal at his first NCO meeting.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Add another negative to the ever-growing list against him.

    Personally, I don’t want a fence per se either.

    I want a giant, electrified moat with laser-wielding sharks and tens of thousands of naval blockade mines in it. Nothing but the best for me.

  • vero

    This does make me go hmmmmmmmmm – Will have to revisit this after the debate – I was and still am a fan of Rick’s but I dunno about this , well, actually I do.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    If Perry isn’t for building some sort of barrier to entry, what exactly then does he have in mind? He’d better not try to resurrect that “virtual fence” crap.

  • AuntieMadder

    He suggested in 2009 that drones fly above the border to detect illegals crossing into the country.

    Unless the drones are armed, what purpose does he think that would serve?

  • mcc

    I’d like to know if he made that comment without coming up with an alternate, feasible plan to provide border security.

    Coupled with this:

    Texas tea party groups sent Perry an open letter this year expressing disappointment over his failure to get a bill passed that would have outlawed “sanctuary cities,” municipalities that protect illegal immigrants.

    and some other things, I’ve got problems with him.

  • BN_TX

    Considering he supports in-state tuition for children of illegal aliens, is this REALLY a surprise to anyone?

  • Vote for Pedro !!!!!!!! Oops I mean Perry, vote for Perry !

  • Taqiyyotomist

    In other news, it’s Labor Day weekend, and my town of South Haven, MI is CHOCK FULL of Union Tubbies.

    Damn, these people are fat and angry. What the hell are they angry about? They eat eight steaks a day, and are probably on the clock even when vacationing here, treating us all like peasant servants.

    And I’m sure they HATE my shirt. ABSOLUTE HATRED shows in their glares when I smile and say “How are ya!”.

    http://www.pfiwestern.com/pfi/western.wear/itemdetl.html?item=7-130368%20DARKNT

    The American Flag is like a cross to these Satanic vampires. This shirt pretty much (as the left likes to put it when you show them something they would rather not see) SHOVES IT DOWN THEIR THROATS.

    And that’s gotta be hard after eating all eight of their daily Kobe Beef steaks.

    I’ll keep shoving it, you lazy, communist MFers.

  • Bill Mitchell

    I completely agree with Perry on this. A fence is ridiculous. You only need to breach it in one spot and it becomes useless.

    What we need is a guest worker visa for manual labor like the ones we have for high tech labor (h1-b). We have the demand and they have the supply for this unskilled labor so instead of stopping them from coming here, we need to find a legal method whereby they can come to work (not for citizenship) and then go home when the visa expires.

    What I like about Perry is that he is pragmatic and not a pure ideologue.

  • Bill Mitchell

    No offense, but anyone who seriously thinks a fence will work is dreaming.

  • retire05

    OK, how about some answers from you nay-sayers? How do you fence miles of mountain range? Do you put a fence in the middle of the Rio Grande (the boundry line between Mexico and Texas runs along the middle of the river). Do you put the fence on the U.S. side of the Rio Grande giving the Mexicans the entire river and cutting the water supply off to Texas ranchers who depend on that water for their herds?

    Or do you fence part of it, as Perry has suggested, creating corridors where illegals have to enter and putting the boots on the ground to apprehend them?

    So give us your ideas.

  • There are better alternatives to a physical fence that can accomplish the same goal of stopping the flow of Illegals and drugs across the border, so let’s see what he proposes during the campaign and then what he actually supports IF he wins. The best alternative is to turn OFF the MAGNET that draws them here. That will be the test of whether he really has OUR best interests in mind or is just another “amnesty by another name” shill.

  • MrGoodWench

    And then if you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good.”
    +++++++
    So how high is the wall around the White House ?
    Why don’t we hear about people entering the White House by using ladders taller than that wall ?

  • Bill Mitchell

    I doubt there is anyone in this forum who has not been served in some way by an illegal alien, whether in a restaurant kitchen, or in the construction of their home or mowing of their yard. These unskilled laborers serve an important role here and to our economy. If we didn’t have the demand they would not provide the supply.

    So, the problem is not that they are here, but that they are here illegally and thus must resort to identity theft and other criminal activity to work. The answer is to provide a legal means by which they can live here and work TEMPORARILY without a path to citizenship any faster than anyone else using legal means.

  • Barb

    Perry is right. The border fence doesn’t stop the illegals, they cut holes in it or destroy it in many different ways. I live in Texas and have seen this first hand. Perry sent the Texas Rangers to help protect the border when all the crime and shooting was happening; I don’t know if they are still there or not.. Just stop the employers from hiring them, we have the laws on the books.

  • bg

    ++

    ht Brittanicus

    RECOVERY ACT

    Obama is not the only one screwing US.. *sigh*

    ==

  • bg
  • Bill Mitchell

    MrGoodWench

    Dude, ur kidding right? Comparing the fence around the White House to a fence 1,200 miles long is just silly.

    These workers are here and they are going to stay here. Make a way for them to be here legally without providing actual citizenship and you will solve the problem. If you can’t cure the cold, treat the symptoms.

  • MrGoodWench

    Bill Mitchell commented:1
    I doubt there is anyone in this forum who has not been served in some way by an illegal alien,
    +++++++++
    I’d like the names of teens who were sold booze by Obama’s illegal muslim Druncle !

  • retire05

    #17, the fence at the White House had been breached. But there are snipers who are constantly manning the White House roof, there is LE officers who constantly patrol the White House. If the border was manned like the White House security is, we would not be seeing illegals coming across.

    The answer is to make coming here so unattractive that they won’t come. If they can’t get a job, or as in the case of California, and a number of other blue states, can’t go on welfare, there is no reason for them to come in the first place. How about we start enforcing the laws aready on the books before we start talking about shooting illegals from a drone?

  • retire05

    Barb, yes, the Ranger Recon Squads are still on the border, and unlike the Border Patrol, they fired back at Mexicans shooting at them from the Mexican side.

  • MrGoodWench

    Bill Mitchell commented:

    Dude, ur kidding right? Comparing the fence around the White House to a fence 1,200 miles long is just silly.
    ++++
    So WHY DON’T people jump the WH fence using a taller ladder ?

  • bg

    ++

    Plumbing the rest of the Perry record

    [“The Gardasil debacle is just one of many concerns a wide range of grass-roots conservative activists have about Perry’s record as governor. He’s soft on illegal immigration despite a few recent nods to border enforcement. He’s prone to crony capitalism. And as the vaccine mandate scandal shows, he demonstrated Nanny State tendencies that are anathema to Tea Party core principles.]

    much more @ link..

    ==

  • Peter of Castelnau

    Texas knows how pointless a physical fence is.

    A well-executed program incorporating drones and patrols is the way to go.

    (Build a 15 foot fence, and the first Mexican to show up on the South side is carrying a 16 foot ladder) etc, etc, etc.

  • retire05

    bg, outside of Malkin, your links are far left. Do you ever go to conservative websites, besides this one?

  • RedBeard

    I admit that I like the symbolic statement that a fence would make. But in terms of actually curtailing illegal immigration, the two most productive things would be to strictly enforce laws against hiring illegals (and to fine the employers severely if they knowingly hire illegals), and to cut off all welfare and all benefits for those who don’t belong here. Without jobs and/or welfare and benifits, there is little reason or ability for illegals to come here.

  • beachlady

    I’m not a big fan of a fence either. However, I would like the US Army to be deployed to protect the border. Inform the Mexican Government that anyone trying to cross gets one warning shot, then shot to kill. Harsh, but we are being invaded and it’s about time everyone realized that.

  • Rock

    Fence or no fence, I don’t know, but just what is his position on illegals, the signals kind of suggest he looks to woo the Hispanic vote, another troubling aspect to the man. I’ve had my doubts, this does not help.

  • Gman

    No offense, but anyone who seriously thinks a fence will work is dreaming.

    Yeah no kidding. Like who needs those fences around prisons….they don’t work at all.

  • zooomzooom

    No border fence = no Rick Perry.

    See. That was easy.

  • #1AMERICAN

    he is pro illegals

    he is pro mooslums

    enough reasons not to vote for him

  • retire05

    Rock, answer this: you have a state that is now a minority majority state and your connection to Hispanics goes back before you were even a state. You have kids that have been here since they were pre-schoolers and have gone through the public school system required because of Plyler. What do you do? Do you allow them, as 10 other states did in 2001, to complete their education becoming productive taxpayers who are on a path to citizenship (illegal children can apply for citizenship when they become 18. It is no guarantee they will get it, but they are not going to be deported, and that is the hard fact about it) or do you drive them into the gangs and have them turn to a life of crime?

    What is your solution?

  • tommy mc donnell

    perry seems like another republican that campaigns as a conservative but governs as a rino.

    #36 what would you do submit to the left’s colonization plans and be conquered?

  • bg

    ++

    #5: TX Gov. supported DREAM Act

    [“Perry’s speeches would lead you to believe that he’s a border hawk
    and he’s really fired up about this issue, that the border’s under control
    and we’ve countered illegal immigration. But he wants to have it both
    ways,” Emanuelson said.

    “On the one hand, he’s trying to make the case that we’re Texas, we’re
    trong and independent. And on the other, he’s saying we can’t take care
    of ourselves because the federal government isn’t taking care of us.”]

    ==

  • retire05

    Colonlization plans? Not in my state. We are cling to our guns and our Bibles in spite of Obama.

    But you only seem to have questions and no answers.

  • Ginger

    bg..#27

    Perry “crony capitalism”…hmmmmmm

    I’m pro-business governor.

    Perry is pro-Merck, pro-Boeing, etc, and pro-dozens of businesses that donate to his campaigns and hire…….. drum roll…….his aides as LOBBYIST.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • retire05

    Yeah, Ginger, that $5,000.00 donation from Merck made all the difference in the world when it came to Perry’s campaign, didn’t it?

  • AuntieMadder

    I can’t believe people are saying that a border fence would be useless because it could be breached while, as it is, the entire border is breached.

  • retire05

    Ginger, why did Palin run with a lobbyist as her running mate in Alaska?

  • MrGoodWench

    retire05
    So lemme get this straight .
    Taxpayers paying for illegals to go to college AFTER PAYING FOR ILLEGALS TO GET FREE SCHOOL EDUCATION = ‘completing their education’
    That must be the latest human right/Constitutional obligation of US taxpayers, ILLEGALS are entitled to I’m guessing ,
    because illegals already have a right to WIC, food stamps, welfare, free school, free housing, free medical, free “tax refunds”, free public transportation, free rioting, free public defenders, free jails, free rehabs, as well as driving and voting rights.

  • retire05

    AuntieMadder, answer my questions: how do you fence mountain ranges and rivers?

  • noislamocommie

    People who wrote their business plans around an illegal workforce will support Perry. They have always been there to finance his career. Guest worker plans don’t work,they are always advocated by those who cannot comprehend the blood spilled for this nation and how these people are completely throwing away the nation for the next generation.There is NO EVIDENCE OF IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT ON ANY FRONT WHATSOEVER. Guest Worker plans will be the same mess. LEARN TO HIRE AMERICANS OR LOSE THIS NATION….THAT SIMPLE.

  • retire05

    MrGoodWench, and you answer is? More gangs, less doctors, lawyers, accountants, nurses?

  • daryl

    The same people who were bashing Perry for the proposed highway along the I-35 corridor from Laredo to the Oklahoma border and all of the private land that would require gobbling up thru eminent domain forget that in order to build this “fence” along the Mexican border land will need to be procured thru the same process from El Paso, Texas to Brownsville, Texas along and north of the Rio Grande River which serves as part of the border between the United States and Mexico. The official river border measurement ranges from 889 miles (1,431 km) to 1,248 miles (2,008 km), depending on how the river is measured. Property along the length of the river is privately owned and in order to build the fence enough of it would be condemned through this same imenent domain process for a fence right of way, including a passable roadway on both sides.
    This goes over like a turd in the punch bowl to these land owners as it should because if and when a fence might be built it WILL NOT be built as the river flows but as the crow flies, splitting and cutting off land south of a fence not used in its construction from remaining land north of a fence, thereby creating a no mans land between the fence and north side of the river.
    The Feds won’t fund it, Texas can’t afford to build it with state funds and Texas taxpayers shouldn’t be expected to pony up for it.
    All of you that are screaming for a fence can write your Senators and Congressman, volunteering for your taxes to be raised to fund a fence with Federal funds if you like but as for me I can see Perry’s point.

  • retire05

    noislamcommie, I suggest you research the history of Tyson Foods and who they supported.

  • jony101

    that illegal alien lover just lost the election. Bush also was a big illegal alien lover, obama is the king of the illegal alien lovers(possible illegal alien himself), no one sees that unemployment is never going to be fixed until immigration legal/illegal is brought under control.
    I was born in Mexico and I’m also against building a fence, I prefer a wall be built (like the great wall of china) and have the captured illegal aliens build it while being process for deportation. A wall not only will help the US economy but will also help mexico, the only reason narco trafficers exist is because they can easily move there drugs into the US through the porous border. A wall will stop that in a heartbeat, flying drugs over is too expensive.
    What else do you expect from a gun carrying ex-democrat, they are the most dangerous. His true colors are beginning to come through, better now than a month before the election.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #29 September 3, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    you mean like U.S. should follow Texas and pass the DREAM
    Act
    via Does GOP want Perry’s DREAM act too?.. that one??

    GMAFB crybaby!!

    as if so called conservative links are written in stone..

    all that aside, surely someone of your self impressed
    intelligence can discern fact from fiction, can’t you??

    ==

  • PaulaC

    Governor Perry is right. A fence along the border is nonsense. Those of us in Texas know how useless it would be.

  • Got Billy Ayers on Speed Dial

    You can DO both. The Wall and the Predators.

    What’s the point of the Preds anyway? We have helos in the air all the time along the border.

  • KOW

    I am a fan of the fence, but it is a false sense of security, but it should be one layer of the security.

    We would be better off as a country if we did other things to discourage illegals from coming in, that in the long run would do much a much better job of keeping illegals away.

    No jobs, no fake SS#, no drivers licenses, no tuition, deportation, no anchor baby, I am sure there are more. We have heard how some are heading home to find jobs because the jobs are scarce, well, lets make all things tougher, then they wont come i the first place.

    You wont need a fence then. If you have a fence, it still has to be manned.

  • noislamocommie

    @50 Exactly. A wall where possible and with good design will give at least operational control. The corruption and cronyism behind illegal immigration is unbelievable. Everyone’s on the take. In Tx. most of the crime occurs against hispanics themselves in the child-sex slave trade never mind cops getting run over or shot in the back.There is no way to vet these folks but the biz community blocks any enforcement. I was in Austin tracking enforcement bills. Perry stopped an E-Verify bill too.
    He is financed by the INSTITUTION OF CHEAP LABOR.
    There is a lawsuit to overturn instate tuition & grant monies in TX also. So far it is doing very well…..stay tuned.

  • noislamocommie

    jony101 LOL…just read a posting that called Perry an “alien-hugger”.

  • MrGoodWench

    retire05 commented:
    MrGoodWench, and you answer is? More gangs, less doctors, lawyers, accountants, nurses?
    ++++
    You really think all those illegal gang bangers will enroll for free in some college/university to get degrees in
    ” hispanic studies”
    or
    ” latino activism”
    or
    ” community relations”
    and become doctors and engineers ?
    Do you even live in the real world ?

  • retire05

    I am still waiting for all the engineers on this site (bg?) to tell us how you build a fence over mountain ranges and in the middle of a river.

  • MDd

    Totally agree w/ Perry on a fence, considering what the cost would be, and how ineffective it would be, given our totally incompetent gubmint. In state tuition for illegals bothers me. Yes in TX the number of illegals are only second to CA, so I see this as pandering to the Hispanic vote. What would he do as Pres? Enforce our immigration laws? I’d settle for that. If he pushes further, better. What I think he believes in is 1) no amnesty, and 2) a guest worker program. The latter so we’ll know who’s here, they’ll be documented making it harder to dip into the Fed trough, and yes, they’d be paying taxes.

  • retire05

    MrGoodWench, yeah, I live in the real world. It’s called “TEXAS.”

    Now, if you are all for using eminant domain to take land away from Texas ranchers to build a fence, just say so. If you know how to build a fence over mountain ranges, tell us. We wait for your solution.

    And they don’t get “free” tuition. They get “in-state” tuition. But I am sure you are familiar with the tuition schedule at Texas universities, right?

  • ar05075

    HERMAN CAIN 2012

  • tommy mc donnell

    to all the people that think we need to bring more people here from foreign countries to work, do we have an unemployment problem in america?

  • Got Billy Ayers on Speed Dial

    Anyone who doesn’t believe the fence would a huge deterrent needs to consider the fence in San Diego.

    Predators mean nothing on the ground. We currently have infrared cameras mounted on helicopters flying along the border. How much more does Predators have to offer?

  • I’m with mrgoodwrench and noislamocommie
    easy solution to all this really: adopt Mexico’s immigration policy. In a nutshell:

    step 1) Take AWAY all FREE stuff the illegals get. PERIOD.
    step 2) ENFORCE ALL BORDERS of America. PERIOD. this means ALL borders. NO MORE ILLEGAL crossings allowed. PERIOD.
    If they are SHOT on SITE coming across. So BE IT.

    Then, give them a form to pick one:
    1) last free item: ticket back to Mexico
    – or –
    2) (since USA is much nicer than Mexico) LEGAL registation for them to become legal USA citizenship THUS paying taxes as an American citizen renouncing Mexican citizenship (they will STILL not be entitled to any FREE stuff)

    … simple, really

    Perry is NOT the answer.
    …. I’d still vote for him over Oblablabla
    …. I’d vote for a blind, alcoholic monkey over O any damn day

  • MrGoodWench

    retire05 commented:
    MrGoodWench, yeah, I live in the real world. It’s called “TEXAS.”
    ++++++
    So how many mehican gang bangers in TX have “educated” themselves to become doctors , engineers and CPAs?
    Since there must be quite a few super genius engineers among those bangers , maybe they will come up with a design for the border fence , because we certainly don’t have competant engineers among the American citizens.

  • #54 September 3, 2011 at 5:51 pm
    KOW commented:

    “We would be better off as a country if we did other things to discourage illegals from coming in, that in the long run would do much a much better job of keeping illegals away.”
    ——-

    EXACTLY

  • retire05

    MrGoodWench, are you trying to be obtuse or are you just stupid?

  • MrGoodWench

    retire05 commented:
    MrGoodWench, are you trying to be obtuse or are you just stupid?
    +++
    So how many mehican gang bangers have become doctors and engineers in TX ?

  • Iconoclast

    Whether a fence or troops, I want that border closed except for controlled entry points. I don’t want illegals or diaperhead jihadis strolling across. I want draconian penalties for anyone hiring, providing housing or otherwise encouraging the illegals. I want legislation specifying that the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply to any child whose parents are not legally in the country and legislation prohibiting any benefits or privileges to any person who can not prove lawful residency – including voting. Let ’em vote in Mexico, Kenya, Albania or wherever they came from illegally. I want every one of the illegals deported, no matter how long they have been here or where they are from. And finally, I want English recognized as the official language of this nation.

    Fortuitously, our Founding Fathers voted to adopt the the eagle rather than the turkey for our national symbol while rejecting German in favor of English as our official language. Like the rest of their work, excellent decisions.

    I am – SICK – of having illiterate, diseased peasants jump the borders and steal our resources. I am – SICK – of dealing with people who not only do not speak our language, but make no effort to learn it nor to adapt to our culture. This is not limited to Latinos – there are plenty of Asians, SW Asian, African & European illegals as well. We are – NOT – the world’s welfare office and it long past time to put an end to this, and the rest of the “progressive” nonsense.

    Proudly an – AMERICAN – nationalist? Yep.

  • jainphx

    Gee what a change! Here we have retire05 demanding answers to his questions, when he flat out refuse to answer any asked of him. Fences serve there purpose just ask Israel. You build a fence and then sit back, well of course it’s not good, but you patrol the fence with foot patrols and cameras, you have built a stop.

    Please explain how Texas still has sanctuary cities? Explain how Texas still has in state tuition for illegals? Isn’t Perry in charge of a Republican controlled legislature. Are you saying he could not control how his party voted on these issue? Then what good is he. Also lets look at what he told Palin in private, he said he would not run (sound familiar) and then stabbed her in the back.

  • Rock

    #36 September 3, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    retire05 commented:
    but they are not going to be deported, and that is the hard fact about it
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    The only reason they don’t get deported is if weak knee bureaucrats fail to do their job. Maybe you have a problem with kicking them out, I do not. Throw them out and let them reenter legally. At this point it should be clear a very vocal portion of Mexican illegals could care less about the States, and I’m tired of paying the bill for their activities here. The choice seems pretty clear become a minority in your own nation or fight for to protect our way of life. I make no apologies for demanding our Government defends America and her way of life over the P/C believe that for some anal reason we owe anyone a free ticket to come here then demand we accept their bogus demands of equal share of the wealth.

  • bg

    ++

    Ginger #40 September 3, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    i’m not saying this is a bad thing, all polis need backing..

    Rick Perry’s California connections

    [The Texas governor and soon-to-be presidential candidate [-] has been
    quite successful in collecting campaign cash from groups of conservative
    Californians – as well as several major corporations based in the state.
    Among the largest donors going back to when he first ran in 2000: Dawn
    Arnall, wife of billionaire banker Roland Arnall, Richard Hall, a Tustin
    developer, Alex Spanos, owner of the San Diego Chargers, and Elliott
    Broidy, the Republican fundraiser who pleaded guilty to charges that he
    bribed NY pension officials.]

    but as far as being honest & transparent, perhaps not so great..

    not to mention this & a bit more troubling this.. also haven’t seen an
    attempt by any Perry supporters in here to debunk any of it, all they
    seem capable of is calling info links liberal and making ad hom attacks..

    and btw, if don’t like the links, Google for your own,
    there seems to be plenty available at the moment..

    ==

  • Conservative Ken

    So what if a fence can be breached. Is the anti fence crowd telling me that a fence wont be patrolled? A breach in the fence means a predictable point of entry a location where wild coyote’s can be dropped off. Pat Buchanan was absolutely right about this.

  • jainphx

    Has anyone seen the report where the Mexican military crossed over into Arizona and fired on hunters. I don’t know, would a patrolled fence have stopped this? And if you think this is a one time occurance, well you would be wrong. Where is the out cry from Washington? Where is the warning to the Mexican “government” Why is Obama quite on this, could it be he’s afraid the weapons would be part of fast and furious? Where is Perry on this, and don’t tell me Texas hasn’t had similar happenings.

  • Rock

    #60 September 3, 2011 at 6:00 pm
    retire05 commented:
    If you know how to build a fence over mountain ranges, tell us.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………

    China managed to do it, as have Athens, the Roman Empire, Denmark and Korea. Now there is a shovel ready job for you. Stop with the excuses already.

  • Multitude

    I’ve been skeptical of Perry regarding the indications of his underlying “institutionally Liberal, socially conservative” big government proto-fascism ever since I spent time reading through his background with Gore (another large government, “save the po’ folk from themselves thru Gawd and Jebus” first generation progressives).

    We made a serious mistake in Iowa in 2008, of which I’m still sensitive of. Iowa is not a bible thumping fundamentalist state, contrary to our mistake with Huckabee. The western half of the state is profoundly northern European (Norwegian, Swedish, German) immigrants into farm communities, which are of the Lutheran type “quiet church” orientation. Our county was one of many who supported a Huckabee who advertised himself in our state as a flat-taxer, a small government type. That he was a person of faith was actually secondary to his message about his self control and victories over his weight at the time. While we should have seen the underlying “born-again” revivalism underpinning this message, we were just eager to have a candidate with a pulse who wanted a smaller government.

    Perry is an even worse mistake. I made the mistake of asking questions some weeks ago on Ace of Spades, which apparently is a Perry blog, and was assaulted through delusional conspiratorial fanaticism as a Democratic plant and sockpuppet who was probably paid to instigate questions regarding the Great Texas Leader (hardly, but hopefully most here know me by now). Perry has problems he must address in order to attract a socially liberal, fiscally conservative base, which is not just the libertarians, but most of your business and corporate types (of which I correspond). I will not back someone who hangs with people who are closet Klan, nor will I back another big government type who wants to use the state to save me from sin.

    No immigration policy, even one that strongly encourages fresh blood (which this nation needs and I’m strongly in support of) can succeed without a capacity to actually exercise and control that policy. Any idiot knows we start with the control of the border, unless that idiot actually desires the social strife that comes with the refusal to exercise control.

  • Bill Mitchell

    Good God people. You are comparing fences around prisons and the White House to a fence 1200 miles long?

    Ok, for the sake of argument, let’s post a guard tower with a guard every hundred feet, like in a prison. That would require only 63,360 guards to cover the entire border fence as securely as a prison. Assuming an average salary of $50,000 a year, this would require a budget of over $3 billion – and that’s just for salaries.

    Perry is right. It would never work.

  • Conservative Ken

    74

    We are not talking about a privacy fence, but a patrolled fence barrier. Patrol it like we mean it. That means live ammo and the right to shoot. Mexican Military and drug lords would think twice.

  • Bob Z

    “And then if you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good.”

    Good point. I’d still vote for Perry

  • Conservative Ken

    77 Bill

    So, how much are we paying for the illegals that have already come across that lovely open border? How much are they paying in taxes?

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Remote-controlled (or autonomous) drones with armament works for me. Upon detection of crossers a UAV is sent to cut them off and one warning is given to turn around; refusal to comply results in a hail of bullets.

  • retire05

    Rock, how long did it take to build the Great Wall of China?

  • MrGoodWench

    I was reading a very detailed e-mail back and forth between Pam Geller and a Perrybot about Perry’s coochie cooing with Aga Khan’s islamic indoctrination cirriculum in TX schools.
    Perrybots are in attack mode at this stage of his campaign, and they are ready to take on anyone who dares to make his record a matter of discussion.
    I wonder why ? He doesn’t have anything to hide now does he ?

  • bg

    ++

    Texas Governor Wages Own Battle Along Border

    [The federal government claims the southwest border is more secure than it’s ever been. There are more agents and barriers, more choppers, drones, sensors and hi-tech cameras than ever before.

    Yet, state officials in Texas maintain the illegal flow of people and drugs is worse than ever — proof, they say, the border is out of control. To back up his rhetoric, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has declared his own war on the traffickers.]

    [pardon the left wing source, ergo, either discern the best
    you can, don’t watch/read it, or debunk it, simple as that]

    re: #51 September 3, 2011 at 5:45 pm bg

    More than 200 march for DREAM Act wow.. /s/

    ==

  • daryl

    #80 asks
    How much are they paying in taxes?

    8.75 cents sales tax on every dollar they spend in Texas except for some foods and medicines.

  • Craig

    Ron Paul: Rick Perry is The Globalist Choice for 2012 – 1/2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgZ-gQ2sac&feature=related

    Ron Paul: Rick Perry is The Globalist Choice for 2012 – 2/2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfp0698dJqw

  • MrGoodWench

    Bill Mitchell commented:
    Good God people. You are comparing fences around prisons and the White House to a fence 1200 miles long?
    +++++++
    The whole multi trillion dollar global -warming+climate change+man-made global warming+hockey stick temperatures graph+ green tech industry is based on
    GROWTH RINGS OF 3 TREES and NO RAW DATA .
    So yes, what is true of a fence around a prison can be true for a fence along the mexican border.

  • Multitude

    and in answer to Bill Mitchell’s comments on the impossibility of the fence:

    Bill, you need to get out and travel. Every successful (and even unsuccessful ones) control their borders. The level of control obviously corresponds to to the threat; traveling from Germany to Switzerland usually suffers minimal restraint and controls are usually directed toward human ones at major crossing points. Australia, where I was this week, has a natural border with its oceans and subsequently has to exercise controls through other systems. Interestingly, it is currently embroiled in controversy as its liberal government had enabled a policy of throwing illegals to other nations to live out their lives in detention camps, rather than deal with the issue domestically. Outsourcing the processing of illegals is reprehensible when you’re well are that they’ll be beaten, raped, etc. in some nations you’re shipping them to.

    Israel’s well known for a rather effective fence, though it may be expensive for the U.S. to implement. Pragmatic solutions use a mixture of defenses and appropriate the right level of control to the level of threat. Consider it a public works project that would generate jobs and you’d think most fiscal liberals like Perry would sign on. But I’d have to believe Perry’s backers require a disparity in labor cost, desiring the exploitative wages they can command with a undocumented workforce. Administrative and policy controls alone are not effective with a threat like Mexico, where ATF-supported drug cartels are encroaching on our border and the educational and economic gap between countries is too significant for parity in policy-based control administration.

    Signs that say “Don’t break the law: Respect our border please” aren’t going to cut it. Controls against employers are naive and easily skirted, particularly in cash economies (which most rural counties are). Effective border management is practiced globally. If Texans aren’t intelligent enough to figure it out, perhaps we can bring in Indians who can teach them a lesson or two.

  • Rock

    #77 September 3, 2011 at 6:34 pm
    Bill Mitchell commented:

    Good God people. You are comparing fences around prisons and the White House to a fence 1200 miles long?
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    Well I guess you have never been to Korea and seen the border there, or maybe the divide between East and West Germany escaped your notice. Enough with the bogus excuses, we went to the moon and yet we can not protect our own borders from killers, drug dealers, and terrorist. Get over yourself defend the nation not some Politically Correct bogus argument.

  • [email protected]

    Everyone wants to blame the illegals for coming here but if no one hired them they wouldn’t come. Remember capitalism, supply and demand and all that? It is OUR fault they are here. But blame isn’t important. What is important is solving the problem.

    The way to do that us with a blue collar version of the H1-B visa. We need them here, we just don’t need them illegally or with a shortened path to citizenship. Oh and by the way, if you are here on this work visa and you have kids, they are NOT US citizens.

    This problem is easy to solve with no fences and no guards and no guns.

  • decentAmerican

    You Perry supporters don’t seem to be getting it….it’s not just about the FENCE….you say that he is being pragmatic, yet do you comment about his stance on in-state tuition for children of illegals. Do you understand that it ALL represents his weakness on illegal immigration?

    So, a very qualified law abiding but poor AMERICAN student from another state who wants to attend a Texas college would have to pay thousands more than a child of CRIMINALS. This is fair to you? It is just like granting amnesty…..the illegals immigrants take the spots, the tax money, and the jobs from the AMERICAN citizens, and you are OK with this?

    the people who wil suffer from such things the most are minorities, that woudl be BLACK AMIERICANS AND LATINO AMERICANS. So, Perry supporters (and liberal nutjobs too)….why do you hate minorities so much to make it harder for them to attend univeristies and get jobs?

    We need be tough on illegals. We need to courage.

    SARAH/MARCO 2012

  • Patty

    It has been much longer a problem with Illegals than it would be having a fence built. While the fence is being built use drones and some even after. About the ladder business, yes, right on that one but if Mexico could get a handle on this and registered those who have purchase them, OMG, they can’t get a handle on Cartels.

    We need a president that will use all the assets awarded to him or her. We are slowly bringing home troops and they need jobs, retire police would be great also. We need All Governor on the borders to be on the same page. Contributions for an Arizona fence is a creative idea.

    Speaking of Ideas WHAT ARE PERRY’S. Will he have an answer and the idea that we will pay for tuition for Illegals? For a lack of a better one “SUCKS.” If Perry is the Republican Presidential Candidate up against Obama he has my vote and I will grit my teeth.

  • Blackwater

    Think ObamaCare is Bad? Rick “Open Borders” Perry Wanted a Bi-National Plan That Would Include Mexico

    http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/think-obamacare-is-bad-rick-open-borders-perry-wanted-a-bi-national-plan-that-would-include-mexico/

    CRONY CAPITALIST: Just one of many pay for play deals:

    For $500,000! Rick Perry Backs AT&T Merger Plan With T-Mobile

    http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/09/01/for-500000-rick-perry-backs-att-merger-plan-with-t-mobile/

    Rick Perry Teamed Up With Democrat Governor’s Association To Pressure Congress For TARP

    http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/rick-perry-teamed-up-with-democrat-governors-association-to-pressure-congress-for-tarp/

    Rick Perry isn’t much of an upgrade from Barack Obama once you study his record.

  • jainphx

    Hey Columbus: How long will it take us to get to the western passage? I don’t know! well lets not go then.

  • daryl

    [pardon the left wing source, ergo, either discern the best
    you can, don’t watch/read it, or debunk it, simple as that]

    NOT that simple!

    quoting NPR (National Public Radio) and the federal government which was under complete dim control when your source was current.
    may as well quote Obama, Reed and Pelosi.

  • Patty

    Perry has lost a few notches in my opinion. And I just can’t wait for the debates.

    When he opens his my another no so great thing falls out.

  • R.I.N.O

  • Ginger

    Finger in the chest…walk away with smirky a$$ attitude, avoiding the question. Drew dog that sucker every step! Perry needs to stay in Texas and leave the rest of America alone. He is corrupted!

  • MrGoodWench

    If Senor Perry bin lyin is the Republican candidate,
    I will write in Sarah Palin.
    I don’t want another Obama , this one with a TX accent

  • retire05

    Blackwater, the website “thespeechatimeforchoosing” is a Palin supporting website. Are you trying to tell us that the information there is not biased?

  • Craig

    Beachlady (#31) “I would like the US Army to be deployed to protect the border..”

    Yep! Ron Paul says to stop protecting the borders of Irak and Afghanistan, bring the troops home and let them protect our borders.

  • Rock

    #82 September 3, 2011 at 6:41 pm
    retire05 commented:

    Rock, how long did it take to build the Great Wall of China?
    …………………………………………………………………………………….

    In truth centuries, with hand labor only, as I noted above (#89) more recent efforts where made and successful, again no more excuses it can be done. The Feds built the Interstate system in part for national defense, a fence would not be nearly as hard.

  • jainphx

    Oh my the supporter of the crazy old man has shown up.

  • Valerie

    His reasoning is sound. He also supports a guest worker program, which is the feature that Ted Kennedy left out of our current immigration laws, mainly at the behest of unions. A guest worker program is NOT a route to citizenship, and it is NOT amnesty. It is, however, the major part of the solution to our illegal alien problem.

  • Rock

    #100 September 3, 2011 at 7:04 pm
    retire05 commented:

    Blackwater, the website “thespeechatimeforchoosing” is a Palin supporting website. Are you trying to tell us that the information there is not biased?
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    Are you suggesting you are not.

  • daryl

    I will write in Sarah Palin.

    Be no need of that if she would commit. But then she would have to win it.

  • kato

    “No, I don’t support a fence on the border,” he said. “The fact is, it’s 1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso. Two things: How long you think it would take to build that? And then if you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good.”

    He’s absolutely right. If only it were just ladders. The explosives business will also get real good as will the inflatable raft business.

    A fence will stop the small straggling groups, perhaps, but lead them into the clutches of organized criminals who will have no problem circumventing a man-made barrier.

    The Bush administration pissed away billions of taxpayer dollars in the cause of Homeland Security. Please don’t defend every big boondoggle as a necessary security measure. Illegals are going to get in, whether there is a fence or not. The question is how do we deal with these people once they’re here. And that’s where the real government failure lies. Even Republicans have been shy about facing the problem, and Democrats positively relish the presence of illegals, who, like the blacks, are useful tools.

  • daryl

    Funny Blackwater didn’t answer that one himself. I figured it was bj. She linked it before.

  • TimDC

    Bend over, stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye. What was he thinking making such a statement?!?!?!?

  • Nanna1

    THE AP LEFT OUT HIS LAST COMMENT ON THE FENCE~~!!

    He said he would support strategic fencing, and the National Guard on the border to keep illegals and drug cartels out!!
    They left it out for the very reason I see here. Immediatly everyone believed it!! They are running scared from Perry!!

    CHECK AROUND!!!

  • Craig

    Rick Perry bans guns! (From prayer festival)
    The Texas governor denies the rights of Christians to protect themselves while worshiping
    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/07/14/perry_gun_ban

  • Robb

    05, LTC. OK, no fence but would you object to troops on the border with orders to lock and load?

    Do we defend or nor?

    Robb
    US Army CID Ret

  • Rock

    Whats amazing here is how many people are of the believe the fence would not work, or maybe are afraid it will. I have patrolled border fences in Europe, and Asia, while not full prove they do provide a dramatic effect. We are a nation that went to the moon, yet some here would have us believe a fence is beyond our abilities. Why the resistance to protect our borders, other than financial or political gain, says all I need to know about those who resist.

  • pjean

    I live in Minnesota. When it comes to issues of the border, I’m willing to have an open mind to the solutions that are coming from those who LIVE on the border. I’m getting tired of these conservative “purity” tests. Even Reagan thought such tests were destructive.

  • mcc

    Merck=Perry’s Gardasil Problem:

    Merck conducted a stealth marketing campaign that involved, in part, funding for Women In Government, a group that included legislators who introduced bills supporting mandatory vaccination. The effort backfired after publicity arose (read here). Perry had some connections of his own. One of Merck’s three lobbyists in Texas at the time was his former chief of staff. And the mother-in-law of a subsequent chief of staff was a state legislator and state director for Women in Government.

    As recently as early last year, Perry continued to maintain he made the right choice. But since his earlier position threatens to undermine his appeal with social conservatives, he is now recanting. The other day he essentially disavowed his once-adamant view.

    http://www.pharmalot.com/2011/08/rick-perry-and-the-gardasil-controversy-take-two/

    And then there’s this:

    Like Gov. Rick Perry, I’d like to see challenger Bill White’s income tax returns…[…]But…Perry is today hiding financial records that are much more recent and more relevant to Texas taxpayers.

    He’s refusing to tell us to whom he is giving millions of dollars of our money.

    The article goes on to give a number they’ve uncovered (note this one: Gradalis, Inc – “Gardasil” transposed)

    http://www.chron.com/news/casey/article/Rick-Casey-The-finance-records-Perry-is-hiding-1699282.php

  • retire05

    From the Univision (Spanish) Channel interview with Sarah Palin:

    Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?
    I don’t know. I don’t know. That’s a good question.

    As Governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they should all be deported?
    There is no way that in the U.S. we would round up every illegal immigrant – there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants – not only economicially is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

    Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?
    No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. They’ve got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be the first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

    To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
    I do, because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. Is is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

    So Palin supported a path to citizenship for illegals already here. No surprise. She was the running mate of the man who wrote the Shamnesty Bill with Ted Kennedy. Funny, she was talking to a Spanish channel and never mentioned building a wall. She also didn’t think the illegals should be deported.

    And the Palin supporters are bashing Perry for not thinking that a wall, which the illegals dig tunnels under in California, will not work but Palin wants to give them a path to citizenship?

  • Keep in mind the “Border” he’s talking about, unlike the Arizona border, runs down the center of the Rio Grande river.

    Where do you build the fence?

    You’d have to build it on our side of the river …….. and that would cut our side off from the river.

  • Rock

    Oops full prove should have been full proof. #113

  • Patty

    When these politicians open their mouth crap falls out. Love Bachman but she doesn’t get the littlest facts straight..and they are silly things. Now, Perry. Dear God we need help.

  • BS61

    Have not watched the video yet, but who am I gonna vote for now?!

  • retire05

    Robb, we Texans have been begging, BEGGING, for troops on our border. To no avail. Currently that is a total of about 650 Border Patrol agents covering the entire southern border. If every one of them were in Texas, that about one every two miles.

    When Obama agreed to put the NG on the southern border, Perry asked for about 1,200 NG. We got less than 250. While Arizona, New Mexico and California got more than we did with our long, long border with Mexico.

    Troops on our southern border? Damn straight.

  • Dan

    He is a tea party/conservative fraud. OK for Governor, NO WAY FOR PRESIDENT.

  • Rock

    #121 September 3, 2011 at 7:38 pm
    retire05 commented:
    Troops on our southern border? Damn straight.
    ……………………………………………………………………………

    Well damn we finally agree on something, now I think I go have dinner.

  • Grasshopper

    I agree that drones are better if they are going to target the illegals crossing the border and drop bombs on them. Snipers along the border would be good to have, too. They probably wouldn’t have to pick off too many of these criminals who are invading our country before the illegal aliens would decide not to cross our border illegally to sell their drugs, terrorize Americans, steal our resources, and suck the life out of our country.

  • retire05

    #111, Craig, that ruling had nothing to do with Perry. It is a Reliant Stadium rule, not a state law. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your hate.

  • Dan

    116, nice try loser. She was defending McCain’s positions as VP. I see you on every website attacking Sarah Palin while saying nothing about Perrys million dollar giveaways to campaign contributors. I gave you 3 specific examples last time, and you said nothing and ignored it. You are not an honest person.

    Perry is the one who wants bi national healthcare with Mexico. He said it! He is the one who said he shares Vicente Fox’s vision of an open border. He is the one who gave 25 million to Red McCombs for an F1 racetrack.

  • retire05

    Grasshopper, what a humanist you are. You just want to kill them all. Hell, why not just drop bombs on Mexico and Honduras and be done with it?

    You’re disgusting.

  • BS61

    @13 Bill Mitchell

    WTF?! The three H1B workers that I trained to replace myself in IT support?!!

  • retire05

    Dan, if you had two functioning grey cells, you would research the bi-national health care. Many LEGAL Texans go to Mexico for health care but the insurance companies won’t pay for it, nor will they pay for the perscriptions that Texans get in Mexico which is cheaper than the U.S., but I bet you are all for getting Rxs from Canada, aren’t you?

  • Barb

    I would be very careful about getting my info from left web sites like Salon.com.
    Perry is very pro 2nd Amendment and has a concealed weapon permit.
    I would be more worried about the Bill H.R.1388 which was passed in 2009.

    http://www.usacarry.com/forums/politics/7430-give-bill-h-r-1388-a.html

    to #25 retire05:
    Special thanks for the info.

  • darcy

    Perry’s toast. He already has far too many demerits: He’s flippant regarding NY state’s homosexual marriage law then tries to redeem himself with some weak-sounding effort to sound ‘Federalist’; He’s susceptible to big-business/big donor — in this case the pharma industry — manipulation as manifested by his signing an executive order to mandate Gardasil for public school girls against the wishes of the majority of Texas legislators and despite the appalling stats on Gardasil’s very negative affects, such as 68 deaths and 18,000 complications; and then there’s the issue of the Trans-Texas corridor.

    In short, he’s a crony of big-government intervention when, if he were a true conservative, he would stand against state encroachment. He talked big about that at his ‘unveiling’ at the RedState gathering, that government should be “inconsequential” in our lives. But his record reveals a very different instinct. He has been, I understand, a member of the Bilderberger group, and that in itself should give us more than pause in considering him as POTUS.

    And so on and so forth.

  • retire05

    #126, Dan, I see how you roll. It was OK for Palin to pander to the Hispanics when she was running with Mr. Shamnesty, but now she’s changed her tune?

    How long do you intend to misrepresent what Perry has done and what he has said? Why don’t you hold Palin to the same standard of being responsible for what she DID say?

  • retire05

    Darcy, NO, PERRY WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE BILDERBERGER. There are no “members”, there is only attendees by invite, which included John Bolton and Margaret Thatcher.

    He gave a speech there.

  • mcc

    Re #115 — You decide how this might weaken RP —

    Last Sunday the Dallas Morning News reported that the state’s Emerging Technologies Fund, which is controlled by the governor, has awarded more than $16 million to start-up companies whose investors have given hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions to Perry. According to the Morning News:

    ThromboVision Inc., a Houston company, won a grant for $1.5 million. Investor Charles W. Tate has given more than $424,000 to Perry.

    Terrabon Inc., also of Houston, was awarded $2.75 million. Investors include Perry friend Phil Adams, who has given the governor at least $314,000.

    Gradalis Inc. of Carrolton received $1.75 million. Its investors include Dr. James Leininger, who has given more than $264,000 to Perry.

    Carbon Nanotechnologies Inc. of Houston was awarded $975,000 from the fund. Investors included William A. McMinn, who has given $152,000 to Perry.

    There were more.

    http://www.chron.com/news/casey/article/Rick-Casey-The-finance-records-Perry-is-hiding-1699282.php

  • BS61

    #18 September 3, 2011 at 4:58 pm
    Bill Mitchell commented:

    So, the problem is not that they are here, but that they are here illegally and thus must resort to identity theft and other criminal activity to work.

    Bill – Go to Mexico and try to do the same thing! And since when does anyone resort to crime? We’d like to uphold the rule of law here in the US, unlike other countries!

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  • daryl

    134
    hint
    Dallas Morning News & Houston Chronicle
    The two biggest liberal rags in the whole state. Austin-American-Stateman #3

  • Noislamocommie

    hello Retire05,
    illegals can access grant money for both private and public universities via the Texas Educational Opportunity Grant Program. Private College tuition in Harris County is accessed under the Tuition Equalization Program.Study lawsuit IRCOT v. Texas,Susan Combs, Chancellor Lone Star College System. TX and NM. Provide access to grant monies not just instate tuition to illegals.It is in violation of FED LAW to give illegals instate tuition when US residents do not receive the same benefits.The law is CLEAR AS A BELL on this.That did not stop the Perry agenda over the wishes of we the people! I think we should imprison and tax all the people that provided jobs to illegals since they created this nightmare for the USA. If they want this labor so bad PACK YOUR BAGS and go to these countries!

  • Molon Labe

    Perry is a RINO a Bushie. He is against Arizona tough stance on illegal aliens as he gives them a free pass. He refuses to sign NRA pledges to support the 2nd amendment. He is a big spender tripling the debt during his term. He is lax on abortion. He in short is a walking talking parody of a conservative in the same way Bush was.

    If the GOP runs a RINO like Perry mark my words the public will regret it. Outsiders do not know what Perry really is. He is an opportunist rather than a conservative. He is no more consverative than Christuie.

  • USMC Thomas

    Illegal immigrants shouldn’t be allowed to attend Texas universities, if allowed, no Perry for me.

  • Craig

    Retired05, #125 “…that ruling had nothing to do with Perry. It is a Reliant Stadium rule…”

    Did you read the whole thing? Here is the conclusion of the article:

    “As you can see the governor’s office is assigning blame for this travesty to the event organizers, who are passing the buck to the operators of the stadium. What ever happened to personal responsibility? If guns are banned at Reliant Stadium (which is owned by Harris County, making it basically a public park), why not hold the event somewhere that respects the wishes of our Founders? If Rick Perry won’t even allow guns at his prayer festival, which will be attended by Good Christian Texans, what will he do with our guns if elected president?”

  • mcc

    #137 daryl — Did they print the truth?

    Isn’t that our goal? Well, maybe not yours…

  • Re immigration control: In defense of the border fence – and other measures – here’s what Hong Kong did about the Vietnam “boat people” fyi.

    http://wp.me/pRtNi-5jB

    I think if you merely told the Americans living along the border that they could put up any fence they could muster, you’d see one built in no time. The problem is THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT for breaking the law. On the contrary, there is reward – Medicaid, instate tuition, food stamps, subsidized housing…. etc….

  • BS61

    Rock –

    You don’t comment often, but you do always Rock!

  • retire05

    Craig, the federal goverment is responsible for letting illegal immigrants enter our nation. You are a U.S citizen, therefore you are responsible for the federal goverment and support illegal immigration.

    See how that works?

  • retire05

    Oh, and the prayer rally was not organized by Perry. But Sarah Palin supports a path to citizenship for illegal aliens.

  • Noislamocommie

    Rest assured they are attending and taxpayers are forcibly subsidizing it. reading legal briefs today. most people do not have a clue.These community colleges were actively recruiting them…showing them how to lap up the gravy train. Just like businesses were giving seminars on how to get more H-1B s to avoid getting caught bypassing hiring Americans. TREASON is rampant. We must have a moral leader to get out of this hole.

  • Noislamocommie

    exactly Sibyl. it must be made a FELONY to enter illegally. HMMMMM…wonder why that hasn’t been done yet?

  • retire05

    noislamocommie, and just who would that “moral” leader be?

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Everyone wants to blame the illegals for coming here but if no one hired them they wouldn’t come.

    Don’t count on it.

    If you were a peasant where would you choose to live – in poverty in a Third World country, or living in “poverty” in the U.S.?

  • Craig

    “See how that works?” Retire05 ” #141

    What are you talking about? I was referring to Perry and the gun ban. Why did you change the subject?
    As far as the federal government controlling immigration, I know that, you think I’m stupid or what? . By the way, what ever happened to Perry wanting Texas to secede? Another “flipflop” by the worst cadidate for presidency that USA ever had? He makes Obama/Soetoro look good!

  • Craig

    Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:

    – Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.

    – Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

    – No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.

    – No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

    – End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.

    – Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

  • retire05

    Craig, the City of Houston and the Reliant Center, has the right to install rules that protect those who attend functions there, no matter what that function is. Do you disagree with that?

    As to you not getting my example: if we are a nation of “we the people” and you are one of the people, are you not just as responsible for illegal immgration as everyone who is part of “we the people?”

    And you know damn well that Perry never said he wanted to secede (quite the opposite, which either you know, are lying about or are just plain brain dead and believe anything you read). I don’t understand why you keep parrotting lies. If you don’t like Perry, don’t vote for him in the primaries. But spreading falsehoods makes you look small and vindictive.

  • retire05

    Paul? Ron Paul the racist?

  • Craig

    Now don’t tell me that Ron Paul is a crazy old men. He has the best 6 points on how to stop illegal immigration”. See my post # 152

  • retire05

    Craig, if Paul doesn’t want the taxpayers to pay for the education of illegal children, how does he propose overturning Plyler?

  • BS61

    #139 September 3, 2011 at 8:09 pm
    Molon Labe commented:
    Perry is a RINO a Bushie.

    Thanks, I’ll research him some more. I was for him since Karl Rove, Dana Perino and Krauthammer seemed to be slamming him. I don’t need any more compassionate conservatives, I need ruthlless conservatives!

  • Craig

    “…the Reliant Center, has the right to install rules that protect those who attend functions there, no matter what that function is. Do you disagree with that?” Retire05 #153

    Sure I do.

    “What ever happened to personal responsibility? If guns are banned at Reliant Stadium (which is owned by Harris County, making it basically a public park), why not hold the event somewhere that respects the wishes of our Founders? If Rick Perry won’t even allow guns at his prayer festival, which will be attended by Good Christian Texans, what will he do with our guns if elected president?”

    Perry is unable to take responsabilities.

    Oh, by the way, I am Canadian. We can see the forest, since we don’t have our eyes stuck on one tree, like you do. If you people elect this phony Perry, you will be the laugh of the whole wide world. Everyone laughed at you for electing Obama, now imagine Perry electing . He is 1,000 times worse than the big “O” (zero).

  • orlando

    Ane the next front runner is???????????????????????

  • Craig

    Oupst… sorry! I thought you said : Do you agree with that? Of course I do. But I just realized you asked me: “Do you disagree with that? Of course not.

  • Craig

    #159

    It’s Ron Paul!

  • retire05

    Craig, as a Canadian, why don’t you mind your own business and let Americans decide who they want? Or do you feel like you have the right to inject yourself into American politics?

    Seems Canada has some major problems of its own. Like giving national health care to illegals, and please, don’t tell me there are no illegals in Canada.

  • BS61

    #151 September 3, 2011 at 8:37 pm
    Craig commented:

    Another “flipflop” by the worst cadidate for presidency that USA ever had? He makes Obama/Soetoro look good!

    Are you serious?! Nobody could make Obama look good! I’ll be voting for whatever bilderberger RINO Republican that is in the race, since as someone here put it so well before, the Republican’s have us creaping to socialism, while the Dem’s have us leaping to socialism. Vote R!

  • Craig

    “…if Paul doesn’t want the taxpayers to pay for the education of illegal children, how does he propose overturning Plyler?…” (#156)

    Ron Paul’s presidency will be a revolution in your country. I don’t know how he will do everything, but he will try to abolish everything that is not constitutional in your country, starting with the Private Federal Reserve.

  • Mike W

    The best example of a wall/fence in modern time that worked to keep people in was the Berlin wall. That wall/fence had to be manned 24/7 with patrols as well as towers along with every kind of sensor. Still people were able to escape East Germany. I agree with Perry on that it will take eyes as well as boots on the ground to keep our border safe. Also a good example of a wall/fence that was useless was the wall/fence Egypt built to keep the Palestinians out. The Palestinians had tunnels under it everywhere. Any kind of border security will take a lot of people to make it work.

  • BS61

    #158 September 3, 2011 at 8:57 pm
    Craig commented:

    Oh, by the way, I am Canadian. We can see the forest, since we don’t have our eyes stuck on one tree, like you do. If you people elect this phony Perry, you will be the laugh of the whole wide world. Everyone laughed at you for electing Obama, now imagine Perry electing . He is 1,000 times worse than the big “O” (zero).

    Hi Craig, So who do the Canadian’s think that we should support?

  • Conservative Ken

    Gee,just when I thought we American’s were having a nice dinnertime family argument.

  • Craig

    BS61 (#164)

    In your country, you have the illusion of choices. Both parties are owned by the globalists. Both parties are socialists. There is only one man that stands out: Ron Paul the incorruptible. Search his records.

  • retire05

    Craig, President’s don’t have the ability to overturn SCOTUS rulings.

    You should be more worried about the amnesty that Canada seems to be handing out to illegals, especially those from the Middle East.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #146 September 3, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    links please,

    and i’m still waiting for answers to your why Palin picked a lobbyist
    as a running mate?
    , as well as my why don’t Texans like Perry??

    ==

  • retire05

    Craig, I know you have never even met Ron Paul, and you seem to only know his recent history. I know Ron Paul, was the precinct chair for his first two campaigns when he was my representative. Thank God he no longer is. He is crazy as a sh!t house rat now. Didn’t used to be that way. But his racist statements were a real turn off.

  • Craig

    To BS61, #166

    We Canadians are all behind Ron Paul. We want you to succeed since you are our friends, allies and first commercial partners. If you go down, we will follow.

  • Iconoclast

    @ retire05, comment 127:
    “You just want to kill them all.”

    Uh, no . . . he didn’t say that. He said warn them & – then – shoot. Just as one does with any other criminal.

    When people are told to stop or be shot, with incoming landing ahead of them, only the idiots or the committed keep going. In this instance, the committed would be the drug runners or koranimals . . . and any reduction in their numbers is a net gain for civilization. Not to mention there are too damn many idiots in this world for them to be missed, either – for example, in this country, they are known as ‘progressives.’

  • Craig

    “Craig, President’s don’t have the ability to overturn SCOTUS rulings.” Retire05

    Neither do they have the abilty to overturn the Constitution. But they do it all the time. They cannot make it into a law, they just make it a rule… or signs executive orders.

  • Craig

    #171 retire05

    Ron Paul’s racist statements???????????? ROTFLMAO

    I now Ron Paul by heart. I followed this man since the beginning. He is your only choice if you want to keep your country.

  • retire05

    Craig, most Canadians, and your goverment, are basically statists. Why would we care about anything you have to say?

    Take care of cleaning up your own nation. You have no right to criticize mine.

  • Craig

    I meant “I know… not “I now”… sorry, I’m French! (#175)

  • Sandy

    I agree with Perry. What good is a fence if no one is on guard making sure that no one climbs that fence?

  • Iconoclast

    @ BS61, comment #157

    “I don’t need any more compassionate conservatives, I need ruthlless [sic] conservatives!”

    I don’t know if “ruthless” would be my ideal, but certainly no squishy RINOs who play nice-nice with the leftist ‘progressive’ fifth columnists rather than figuratively feeding them their teeth and kicking them to the curb (OK, I admit, *literally* would be even more satisfying).

  • Craig

    “Take care of cleaning up your own nation” (Retire07)

    Our nation is just fine. We are in the top 5 countries who are doing well financially. We have a great PM, Stephen Harper who never bought the Global Warming fraud. He lowered ou taxes. Canada never started a war…. we have no enemies. It is a fantastic country…. the second biggest in the world and a lot of natural ressources.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #116 September 3, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    from the English About.com

    [Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?

    I don’t know, I don’t know. That’s a good question.

    As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

    There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

    Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

    No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They’ve got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

    To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

    I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.]

    what is wrong with that??

    that’s the way it has worked for decades now..

    where is the “gotcha”, did she sign on to, or endorse the DREAM ACT??

    ==

  • AuntieMadder

    @ #45: I don’t know. But fencing flatlands, or flatter lands, is doable. Fenced, those flat or flatter lands would require fewer border security patrolmen/patrolwomen. Officers no longer needed in those areas could be put on patrol in the mountainous and wet areas.

    Are the borders of most countries walled or fenced? That’s not a rhetorical question. I’m serious in asking because I don’t know the answer.

  • Sandy

    retire 05 I’ve got your back — Rick Perry is da man.

  • AuntieMadder

    @ #180: It’s with some shame and embarrassment that I acknowledge Canada has shown to have bigger cajones when it comes to fending off creeping Sharia.

  • Craig

    Anyway, Retire 05, if you loose your country, which you will if you elect slick Perry, you will be welcome to Canada, we like Americans.

  • Incursions happen all the time. The border is Texas’s stepchild. They are highly Democratic areas which leave little sympathy for Republicans. It shouldn’t be this way, but it is.

    http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_18805052?source=most_viewed

  • bg

    ++

    Craig #180 September 3, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    lol, who are you kidding, we’re circling round the same sink hole..

    ==

  • retire05

    bg, are you now supporting Palin because she said she thought we should give a path to citizenship for illegals? Does your hypocracy know no bounds?

  • Sandy

    So we have millions of Americans out of work and politicians are wringing their hands about Illegals? It would seem as though the Unions should stand with Americans because Illegals will work for less than those in a Union. That is if union leaders actually cared about that.

  • StrangernFiction

    I don’t give a f_ck how they seal the border. JUST DO IT!

  • AuntieMadder #182

    No, not most. Here are some..

    ‘Baghdad Wall Adhamiya, Iraq Under construction 5 Civil pacification
    Belfast Peace Lines United Kingdom (Northern Ireland) 1970s -early 0.5 (average) Civil pacification
    Botswana/Zimbabwe Botswana and Zimbabwe 2003 500 Anti-illegal immigration
    Brunei/Limbang Brunei and Limbang 2005 20 Anti-illegal immigration
    Ceuta border fence Spain 2001 8 Anti-illegal immigration
    China/Hong Kong China 1960s -early 32 Internal barrier
    China/Macau China 1870 0.34 Internal barrier
    China/North Korea China and North Korea Under construction 1,416 Anti-illegal immigration
    Egypt-Gaza barrier Egypt 1979, subterranean barrier under construction 3.1 Anti-terrorism and anti-illegal immigration
    Malaysia-Thailand border Thailand and Malaysia Proposed 650 Anti-terrorism
    Melilla border fence Spain 1998 11 Anti-illegal immigration
    Indo-Bangladeshi barrier India Under construction 3,268 Anti-illegal immigration
    Indo-Burma barrier India Under construction 1,624 Anti-drug smuggling and anti-terrorism
    Indian Kashmir barrier India 2004 550 Anti-terrorism (disputed territory)
    Iran-Pakistan barrier Iran and Pakistan Under construction 700 Anti-drug smuggling
    Israeli West Bank barrier Israel – West Bank Under construction 703 Anti-terrorism (disputed territory)
    Kazakh-Uzbekistan barrier Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan 2006 45 Anti-drug smuggling
    Korean Wall North Korea and South Korea 1953 248 Conflict zone
    Kruger National Park South Africa and Mozambique 1975 120 Anti-illegal immigration
    Kuwait-Iraq barrier Kuwait and Iraq 1991 193 Conflict zone
    Pakistan-Afghanistan barrier Pakistan Proposed 2,400 Anti-terrorism
    Russia/Chechnya Chechnya (Russia) Proposed 700 Anti-terrorism (disputed territory)
    Saudi-Yemen barrier Saudi Arabia and Yemen 2004 75 Anti-illegal immigration
    Sharm el-Sheikh Egypt 2005 20 Anti-terrorism
    Turkmen-Uzbekistan barrier Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan 2001 1,700 Anti-illegal immigration
    United Arab Emirates-Oman barrier United Arab Emirates and Oman Under construction 410 Anti-illegal immigration
    United Nations Buffer Zone in Cyprus Cyprus and Northern Cyprus 1974 300 Conflict zone
    United States–Mexico barrier United States Under construction 3,360 Anti-illegal immigration and drug smuggling
    Uzbek-Afghanistan barrier Uzbekistan and Afghanistan 2001 209 Anti-illegal immigration
    Uzbek-Kyrgyzstan barrier Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan 1999 870 Conflict zone
    Western Sahara, Berm of Morocco 1987 2,700 Conflict zone (disputed territory)’

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110131192315AA8pLtm

  • retire05

    Craig, since you have been following Ron Paul for so long, explain this:

    http://reason.com/archieves/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter

    And these:

    http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-revealed

    He latter claimed he didn’t write them, but when I was getting them, there was nothing to indicate he was not the author, and he damn sure didn’t mind taking the money they generated.

    Yeah, Ron Paul, bigot, for President! NOT!

  • Sandy

    Retire 05 — #188 Well said. Its about time we had a President who has experience governing. Or are we looking for a Messiah-ess this time around?

  • bg

    ++

    mcnorman #186 September 3, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    they aren’t the only ones..

    more here & here (scroll threads for more)..

    ==

  • jainphx

    Ladies and gentlemen witness the Retire05 and Craig show, both are loyalist to their candidate. One problem Paul is bat shiite crazy and Perry is being dissected before our very eyes. Nothing I have read today here and on other sites, gives me any confidence in Perry. The things I’ve learned today prompt me to search out more on his career. If just half is true, then he’s not the person I want as our candidate.

  • retire05

    #193, Sandy, there is no getting around the fact that Sarah Palin accepted the VP slot with the candidate that was the most pro-illegal, amnesty supporting Republican this side of Lindsay Graham. If the Palin supporters are going to claim that Perry is no conservative because he has supported legislation that gives kids brought to the U.S as small children the ability to get a college education (which Oklahoma and New Mexico, Utah and Washington state also did at the same time) then they need to beat up on Palin for deserting her conservative values by running with a pro-illegal, pro-amnesty candidate who actually wrote the Shamnesty Bill.

    But they won’t because they have double standards.

  • M1

    The wolf suit is coming off the sheep I see. Just like Allen West.
    It’s all an illusion with these a-holes.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #188 September 3, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    your lack of comprehension skills does not make me a hypocrite..

    that said.. i’m only bothering with you and your nonsense because i’m
    taking the opportunity to again ask you for proof of your absurd, not
    to mention repetitive, claim
    ..

    ==

  • retire05

    jainphy, the difference between Craig and me is that I have a vote and the right to campaign for the candidate of my choice. Craig, as a Canadian, doesn’t have any say in the matter, and considering how far left Canada has gone with its Human Rights commission, I would say his nation has more problems than he is willing to admit.

  • retire05

    bg, Google Sean Parnell. Tell me what you come up with.

  • jainphx

    bg==== he only asks questions, he never answers any.

  • retire05

    Well, let me then answer for bg.

    Sean Parnell was a lobbyist for the largest lobbying firm in the U.S. He did not quit his job until January 3, 2006, the day before he was sworn in as Lt. Governor of Alaska, after Palin had asked him to be her running mate.

    Parnell was also one of the lawyers who represented Exxon in the Exxon-Valdez oil spill. He was/is a proponent of big oil, the very people Palin acts like she hates, yet she got the legal hack who fought for Exxon to run with her.

    When are the Palinistas going to demand that Palin answer for that?

  • jainphx

    I have to say that Sarah made me applaud today, and with Sarah, she is the most vetted political figure in history. We now see the vetting of Perry starting, and I’m not sure he can stand up to it. I for one can’t trust a person who says he wont run and then, well we know for sure hes a liar. If by some chance he is our candidate, I will vote for him, but all the while holding my nose.

  • Ginger

    Obama sticker in urinal draws criticism and laughs. This is a good one! haha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bB4kHb4UVQ&feature=player_embedded

  • retire05

    jainphx, do you trust someone who won’t even finish out one term as governor? Do you trust someone who chose a lobbyist and legal hack who represented Exxon when the Valdez spilled oil all over the seas near Alaska to be her running mate?

    If you are going to have standards, apply them equally.

  • jainphx

    Retire 05=== SO what, she made the oil industry pay Alaska so much more than the political machine before her, and people received 1300 per person in royalties. If having him as running mate gave the people this, well so much to Sarah’s credit. Now quit with the trivial bullcrap and answer the questions asked of you!

  • jainphx

    Oh crap you know and the whole world knows that story, give it a rest already. Answer the questions asked of you.

  • retire05

    jainphx, OK, so Palin basically socialized the oil industry in Alaska. Seems she has a lot in common with Maxine Waters. You would be one of the first ones gritching if the David Dewhurst was a former lobbyist.

    And what question was that? I don’t want to go through these posts all over again.

  • Craig

    Retire05… watch this video:

    Ron Paul addresses charges of racism on CNN
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKBlk1Vpeuw

  • retire05

    jainphx, as long as people are trying to claim that Palin has no warts, I will not give it a rest. She doesn’t walk on water.

  • jainphx

    Ginger=== very funny! I bet I could find in 10 minutes some that would want to do that to him in person.LOL

  • bg
  • retire05

    Craig, I don’t give a damn what Paul claims now. I got the newsletters. They were horrible. And he can deny them all he wants, but he put his name on them, they belong to him.

  • jainphx

    Don’t give it a rest, your just making your self look foolish. Why aren’t you answering the questions, are you afraid that the answers will shed bad light on Perry.

  • retire05

    bg, hell, the woman didn’t even know how many illegals were in her state. And you want to defend that?

    Run from it all you want, but she agreed to be the VP pick for the most pro-illegal, pro-amnesty Republican in Washington, D.C.

  • retire05

    jainphx, ask the question again. I will answer it.

  • jainphx

    Look retire 05 after all comes out in the wash, we will have to join forces. Obama has to go, but you seem to be saying anyone put Palin, and thats not conservative. I ask you now for the umteenth time will you vote for Palin if shes the nominee?

  • jainphx

    bg’s questions, she has outlined so many, but you avoid her.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #210 September 3, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    one of those warts couldn’t possibly be the absurd, not to
    mention repetitive, claim
    that you pulled out of “Utopia”
    now would it?? /s/

    ==

  • Rcl

    Have you guys slamming Perry ever seen The Fence? There are single sections which are breeched by a ladder just as Rick says.

    Here’s a link to the real working FENCE. It’s two fences of steel plate with a wide No-Man’s-Land between. There are all-weather roads built on the outside and inside and in between. There a high intensity street lamps in the No-Man’s-Land. The estimated cost to fence the border is $50,000,000,000. Of course it would end up several multiples more.
    A wonderful guy, my ex-congressman, dad to my current rep, Duncan Hunter thought this up. It works like a charm in San Diego but it would be totally unnecessary if the Feds had THE WILL TO DO THEIR JOB!!!

    The 10th Amendment and the shrinking of Federal power is the most important issue. Only Sarah and Rick put that at the front of their campaigns. You Tom Tancredo Patriots actually are insisting on a 100 or 200 billion dollar boondoggle forced down on the border states and billed to every citizen. It’s F’g Stupid!!!

    This is a matter of WILL not MONEY. When the Fed wants to control the border it will be controlled. Put the 1000 Guard troops in Texas Rick has asked for and another 1000 along the rest of the border. Fly the Predators that are sitting in Kansas instead of spending billions on the Bush / Boeing failed “Virtual Border”. Most importantly fire all the administrators at ICE and change the ROE and the prosecutors GW used to stop interdicting illegals. Perry will take care of that.

    For all your huffing and puffing the governor’s right. You’re wrong.

  • retire05

    jainphx, if Palin is the nominee, yes, I will vote for her. I will even campaign for her. I dislike Obama that much.

  • retire05

    Rcl, if a fence is the answer, why don’t we just build fences around Iraq and Afghanistan?

  • Druid

    Rick Perry is a conservative?

    I did not know that.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #215 September 3, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    TW, you’re so desperate to play your bait & switch games, not to
    mention put your words in others mouths.. then proceed to conjur
    up questions about something they never said, that you’re missing
    your own, obvious to all but you, abnegation..

    ==

  • Craig

    #213 September 3, 2011 at 10:25 pm
    retire05 commented:
    “Craig, I don’t give a damn what Paul claims now. I got the newsletters. They were horrible. And he can deny them all he wants, but he put his name on them, they belong to him.”

    Keep being so gullible! You are a dead brainwashed zombie who is afraid of facts and truth. And this is why you will vote for the biggest liar America ever had. You don’t even have the courage to watch the video. NO ONE… NO ONE who knows Ron Paul, would believe all that propaganda. Black people likes him and will vote for him. If there was ever a man who wasn’t racist, it’s Ron Paul.

    So vote for Perry and let your country go to hell in a hand basket. This is what you want? This is what you’ll get. Sorry for you and your country, but you’ve been warned.

  • bg

    ++

    Rcl #220 September 3, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    woah, that’s a mighty big brush you’re painting with..

    kind of makes you look small..

    ==

  • retire05

    Craig, what percentage of blacks in Paul’s district voted for him?

    Paul put his name on those letters and he owns them. I don’t give a damn what he now claims. Did you even read them? Do you agree with what was written? They were his, and if he was letting someone else write letters that went out in his name, the buck stops with him.

    So now, tell me again what percentage of blacks in Paul’s district voted for him.

  • Craig

    @ Retire07

    Listen to the video, he will tell you… or is that to hard for you to do? I’m not going to make it easy for your intellectual laziness I’m not going to tell you. You want to know? Listen to the video.

  • retire05

    Craig, you mind is sealed. Either Paul wrote those news letters or Lew Rockwell did. So why doesn’t Paul just fess up to who wrote them. Are you in the habit of letting people put your name on things you have no connection with? That is what you are claiming Paul did.

    He sent the damn letters out. They came from him.

    Paul can claim he has the black vote. He doesn’t, at least not in Lake Jackson.

  • bg
  • retire05

    bg, Israel also mans its fence. Are you supporting mandatory military service for Americans like Israel has so we can man the fence you so desparately want?

  • bg

    ++

    aah, i knew it..

    the “victim – victorious” act has officially made it’s entrance onto the GP
    12 election stage, expect more of the same, nay, endless posts between
    Craig & retire05 (or whatever alias).. heck, if posts could build a wall, the
    two of them would have it up and at ’em in no time at all.. 😀

    ==

  • Craig

    @retire05

    Ron Paul was a busy working physician at the time… he sent nothing personally, he didn’t even know who was part of his group.

    Here is another video that will bug your weak mind (if you have the courage to face the truth):

    Even Black people like Ron Paul!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez7J6Dqr-tQ

  • retire05

    bg, answer the question; do you support mandatory military service for Americans to man the border fence?

  • bg

    ++

    re: retire05 #231 September 3, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    told ya.. *sigh*

    ==

  • retire05

    Craig, how about that black support you claim Paul has? Got those figures yet?

  • retire05

    bg, grow up and quit linking to former GP threads. Jeeze, how old are you anyway?

  • MrGoodWench

    retire05 commented:

    Sean Parnell was a lobbyist for the largest lobbying firm in the U.S. He did not quit his job until January 3, 2006, the day before he was sworn in as Lt. Governor of Alaska, after Palin had asked him to be her running mate.
    Parnell was also one of the lawyers who represented Exxon in the Exxon-Valdez oil spill. He was/is a proponent of big oil, the very people Palin acts like she hates, yet she got the legal hack who fought for Exxon to run with her.
    When are the Palinistas going to demand that Palin answer for that?
    ++++++++++
    Questions :
    1. Is it illegal/criminal to be a lobbyist ?
    2. Is it illegal/criminal to represent Exxon as a lawyer ?
    3. Is Exxon( Mobil) a criminal enterprise ?
    4. What gives you the idea that Palin hates BIG OIL since she is for drilling for oil in our own country ?
    Its Obama’s worshippers who hate BIG OIL IIRC 😀

  • retire05

    MrGoodWench, conservatives constantly complain about K Street. Are you saying that K Street meets with your approval?

    And why didn’t Palin sue the federal government to be able to drill in ANWAR when her own citizens wanted drilling there?

  • retire05

    Good night, all. We will take up the battle on another day.

  • Craig

    #236 September 3, 2011 at 11:23 pm
    retire05 commented:
    “Craig, how about that black support you claim Paul has? Got those figures yet?”

    YES I do. Find them, make a personnal effort, it’s not hard you will see. B ut I know you won’t, so why bother giving them to you?

  • Multitude

    What an interesting thread today. Stepping back (and still having nobody to vote for), it’s evident that:

    1. The Perry people are well organized and coming out with knives in the blogosphere. It’s not a bad tactic; important as some of us observed with the utter failure of Fred Thompson in ’08 and Herman Cain in ’12. But Perry’s hires have the undesirable stench of the “upper lower class” thugs of the Sturmabteilung (wiki that). When challenged on their capacity to relate to minorities, women, gays, they regress and start screaming accusations of commies everywhere. Funny how certain types just don’t evolve over time.

    2. Perry’s a repackaged Bush + McCain with a Huckabee Fundamentalist/Tent Revivalist populist twist: I work in global capital and I’m quite aware of the perceived need to eliminate overpriced middle class American labor with global sourcing. Bush and McCain were trained on this Ivy League doxology, instrumental to globalist economic programs of the Chicago School that continue to sustain the American gentried elites, while feeding the lower classes their social program redistribution. Profit expectations require America’s middle class just has to die now. The elites can’t continue to borrow to pay the bottom 50%, while exempting the middle class from the confiscation necessary to pay these loans back. Perry’s of the same pedigree – his position on illegal immigration proves it – but he’s got the capacity to pretend to be a middle class fundamentalist (which is what all the elites think the middle class is), providing necessary populist street credentials. Perry is a repackaged Bush globalist that focus groups think has the bible thumping populist goodness to trick the middle class fools into voting for right-globalism again. We’re left with right-globalism and left-globalism (Soros and other anti-U.S. elites) in this option.

    To have a chance, Tea Party has to vote for a misfit; someone outside the system. Look for them by how much the right fat-cat elites scream. Romney was their non-populist pedigree and he’s pissed that some are backing Perry, but as the expression goes, “Romney couldn’t seal the deal.” We have a battle amongst the elites.

    Palin, Paul and Bachmann are filthy, disgusting middle class inbreds. The attended state schools, of all things, and come from inferior breeding. So please, keep it to Romney vs. Perry. All other options sustain the dream of a middle class that hasn’t realized the world’s elites need for it to die now.

  • Rock

    As I said yesterday, why tie Palin up in the Oval Office? She would be far more effective roaming the country and getting the Conservative vote out to throw out all these Progressive weasels that are State Governors, State Attorney Generals, State Judges, and any of the other snakes that push the Progressive cause. We have seen how a small group of Tea Party representatives have been able at the very least push WTF buttons causing some rather hateful and decidedly less than Presidential responses. I see a Republican President facing the same kind of push back in D.C.. Let Palin tear them apart at the local level, she at the very least is effective in generating the grass root level of activism needed to flush the Progressive dirt bags from their hiding places, or maybe as the Head of the Justice Department under a Republican President who would turn her loose as WTF has with Holder. Her power as a power broker would be far more effective than as President.

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #237 September 3, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    been asking one honest question for
    at least 2 days now, still no answer..

    do you have an answer, nah, didn’t think so, nay, knew so..

    you not only consistently ask dishonest questions, but also demand
    answers to impossible questions you literally make up out of thin air..

    talk about others needing meds, choohoo, your train
    left the station a long time ago w/out you didn’t it..

    as for my other queries..

    tsk tsk, there you went again..

    ==

  • Multitude

    btw, it’s interesting how Perry’s already implicated in SEC investigations per his proclivity of taking jet-riding deals with donors. I’m really worried about the RNC as it just seems impotent. They thought McCain was competitive, and now they’ve advanced Romney and Perry as their champions.

    Both are damaged, unelectable goods. It’s almost as if the RNC wants to re-elect Obama.

  • MrGoodWench

    retire05 commented:
    MrGoodWench, conservatives constantly complain about K Street. Are you saying that K Street meets with your approval?

    And why didn’t Palin sue the federal government to be able to drill in ANWAR when her own citizens wanted drilling there?
    +++++++++
    Conservatives complain about THE INFLUENCE OF K STREET ON POLITICIANS. Not the lobbyists, but the politicians who are influenced by them , to such an extent that politicians forget what and whose interests they are supposed to represent.
    As for suing the Fed government, I’m not sure what the precedent is . All I know is Hussein and Holder do that to states who want to live with American laws . If Alaskan people want to drill in ANWR, maybe MurCow can help them, she is competent enough to represent her state I’m sure !

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #239 September 3, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Sean R. Parnell (born November 19, 1962) is an American Republican politician who is the tenth and current Governor of Alaska. He succeeded Sarah Palin following her resignation, and was sworn in at the Governor’s Picnic in Fairbanks on July 26, 2009. Parnell was elected to a full term as Governor in November 2010, becoming the first unelected Alaska Governor to be later elected in his own right.

    In 2006, Sarah Palin was elected governor of Alaska. Running on a clean-government platform, Palin defeated incumbent Governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary election in August She then went on to win the general election in November, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles 48.3% to 40.9%. Her running mate was State Senator Sean Parnell.

    [standard disclaimer: source Wikipedia]

    to be continued..

    ==

    hmm, don’t see any scandal oil associated with him.. on the other hand,
    the Democratic Party not only has plenty to go around, but enough to burn the house down</a…

  • bg

    ++

    retire05 #239 September 3, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Sean R. Parnell (born November 19, 1962) is an American Republican politician who is the tenth and current Governor of Alaska. He succeeded Sarah Palin following her resignation, and was sworn in at the Governor’s Picnic in Fairbanks on July 26, 2009. Parnell was elected to a full term as Governor in November 2010, becoming the first unelected Alaska Governor to be later elected in his own right.

    In 2006, Sarah Palin was elected governor of Alaska. Running on a clean-government platform, Palin defeated incumbent Governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary election in August She then went on to win the general election in November, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles 48.3% to 40.9%. Her running mate was State Senator Sean Parnell.

    [standard disclaimer: source Wikipedia]

    to be continued..

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    oops, please disregard:

    #247 September 4, 2011 at 12:09 am bg

    thank you..

    ==

  • Freedomplow

    Rick Perry: “Strategic Fencing” and National Guard Troops to Prevent Illegal Immigration…

    New source: Thanks to recon for noting that AP deleted the salient portion of Perry’s answer.
    http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/03/rick-perry-no-border-fence/

    You will have to watch the debate to learn more.

  • MrGoodWench

    “strategic fencing” ,
    its been soooooooo successful before 😉
    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2612742/posts
    Wonder if Perry has some very salivating contractors lined up…waiting to ‘ invest ‘ in
    ‘strategic fencing’

  • bg

    ++

    re: #248 September 4, 2011 at 12:09 am bg continued..

    just a sample:

    Billion-Dollar Scandal Not Ready for Prime Time

    [Connections to the halls of power can make any story front-page news.
    Fannie Mae and Enron had no shortage of those. They employed two of
    the most generous campaign contributors in the nation. The media tried
    to link the leadership at Enron to the Bush administration and to several
    key figures in Congress. On the other hand, the broadcast media had
    nothing to say about the unambiguous connections between Fannie Mae
    board members and the Clinton administration.]

    if you haven’t read this yet,i highly recommend you do, of course
    i also recommend doing do with an ounce of belief & a pound of
    discernment par the course so to speak..

    Governor Rick Perry, T. Boone Pickens,
    and the Enron Legacy of Windpower

    [But then the governor launched into his Texas-is-great stump speech
    that included kudos to windpower, a new large industry (no) thanks to
    a legislative mandate requiring that Texas electricity retailers purchase
    qualifying renewable energy. (Wind is the most economical of the
    qualifiers.) The 1999 mandate, enacted with the crucial help of Enron
    lobbyists, was increased in 2002 with a powerful wind lobby at work.
    And so at the point of a gun, Texas became the leading wind-power
    state in the country, passing California along the way.]

    Rick Perry hires HNTB lobbyist as chief of staff

    [Gov. Rick Perry announced this afternoon that he’s hired lobbyist
    Ray Sullivan as his chief of staff, replacing Jay Kimbrough, who will
    stay with Perry as a senior adviser.

    Sullivan has worked on previous Perry campaigns. He has also been a
    lobbyist. His clients this year have included Banc Pass Inc., Compass
    Environmental Inc., Exelon Power Texas, Global Options Inc., HNTB
    Corp., Redflex Traffic Systems Inc. and Silver Eagle Distributors.]

    there’s more, like Franklin Raines et al Burning down
    the house
    , but that too can wait until another day.. 😉

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    oh btw, wasn’t Perry willing to spend
    about $200 billion on that corridor??

    ==

  • jainphx

    Rock please stop with the “she would be a better at the power broker garbage” it’s a sneaky way of dissing her. If she has the power, than by gosh we need her at the top, not “leading from behind” Your intentions might be admirable, but that line is insulting.

  • man_in_tx

    As a counter-balance to all the bleeding-heart pro-illegal, pro-Perry propaganda and poppycock that “retire05” and some others have been spewing on this thread, I will say that I, too, live in Texas (and have for well over 10 years) — and I am COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF A FENCE.

    Moreover, Perry makes my skin crawl. I know from having lived under his leadership that he is weak on many things. I will still vote for him…. for GOVERNOR, but… NOT FOR PRESIDENT, unless — of course — the RNC and Fox News and the NYT force him down my throat. I cannot vote for Obama. However, if give the chance to vote in the Texas Republican primary, I will not be voting for “Governor Goodhair.”

    Meanwhile… my answers? Palin, Bachmann, Cain — or, Palin, Cain, Bachmann. Palin first, in any event.

  • AuntieMadder

    @ #191 S. Wolf: Thank you.

  • Multitude

    #255… why Palin/Bachmann/Cain? not one of those three have been cleared by the global capital RNC elites, and as such, do not stand a chance in hell at succeeding in their election chances.

    why can’t you embrace either Romney, the “progressive global capitalist in non-denominational boring clothing” or Perry, the “bible thumping, white sheet wearing, negro-hanging evangelical progressive capitalist” packages? you’ve got two very nice options there. imagine subprime is all gone and your credit cards are reloaded, ready to spend. are you feeling happy now? we know McCain was a dud, even with that renegade ingrate Palin mixed in (oh, the Horror!). but what would it take for you to sign on for an RNC blessed candidate like Perry or Romney?

  • bg

    ++

    jainphx #74 September 3, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    sorry i overlooked your post..

    via mcnorman #186 September 3, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    and a bit more here.. 😉

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    Multitude #245 September 4, 2011 at 12:01 am

    oh, you mean to tell me you didn’t notice they wanted him elected the
    first time round?? ‘i’m serious’, because i damn well noticed the fix was
    in from the get go.. also swear McCain nearly had a heart attack when
    she turned it into a real honest race.. talk is cheap, which is why Palin
    will never say anything against McCain the way he has against her, no
    no no, she’ll just do what comes naturally and get even, righteously..

    ==

  • Estragon

    A border fence makes great sense in higher traffic areas – it has worked well at San Diego, for example. So for example El Paso would probably be a good candidate. But as Perry pointed out, the fences at such places are effective because they limit the choices and channel the traffic into narrower areas more easily policed.

    Fences along hundreds of miles of rural land cost tons but are easily breached in one way or another. It’s one of those ideas that sounds good at first, but upon any serious thought the defects in the scheme become apparent.

  • Jane

    I was at that reception for Perry yesterday. First of all, i never heard tha “angry shout” that keeps getting repeated, and I was about 15′ from Perry.

    Secondly, Perry said in the 1200 mile border the only thing that will work is having border guards.

    I heard no negatve reaction at all. It seems like the press is desparately trying to create a story here.

  • RedBeard

    Interesting. Nearly 300 posts, in a thread closely resembling some of the better saloon brawls I’ve seen. I’ll bet the lefties are really enjoying our internecine warfare. [insert rolling eyes here]

  • daryl

    “I heard no negatve reaction at all. It seems like the press is desparately trying to create a story here.”

    (Create a story) Out of every bad thing said by liberal journalists, dug up out of her stash of liberal links by bj that date back as long as “google” has been on the web.
    She’s like an old mama coyote bringing home partially digested road kill to her pups which she regurgitates and they lap it up willingly.
    I wouldn’t keep trying to bite him too hard or attack his dog bg, cause you know how he handles coyotes who try that.

  • BS61

    #168 September 3, 2011 at 9:10 pm
    Craig commented:

    In your country, you have the illusion of choices. Both parties are owned by the globalists. Both parties are socialists. There is only one man that stands out: Ron Paul the incorruptible. Search his records.

    Craig, We have no illusions here and I agree that I would love to see Ron Paul cut everything! Unfortunately his foreign policy and his supporters anti-jew comments on message boards, do nothing to help him.

    Let’s hope that Rand Paul will have the best message!

    BS61

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  • BS61

    #179 September 3, 2011 at 9:27 pm
    Iconoclast commented:

    I don’t know if “ruthless” would be my ideal, but certainly no squishy RINOs who play nice-nice with the leftist ‘progressive’ fifth columnists rather than figuratively feeding them their teeth and kicking them to the curb (OK, I admit, *literally* would be even more satisfying).

    Iconoclast – I totally agree! No more squishy candidates!

  • greg

    Social Network Feelgood Feedback…………….Bill Mitchell #77 above asserted that it would take 63,000 guards to cover 1200 miles of border at one/one hundred feet. Simple math right supported by the following 190 posters. WRONG, that would provide one eight hour shift only. To cover the other three shifts and holidays/vacations and that one shift would require 252,000 plus personnel

  • Sandy

    I’m OK with Perry’s opposition to the border fence. Have any of you checked out how many underground tunnels the illegals have been digging to bypass the border patrols. There are some that have been discovered that have underground lighting, electricity, air conditioning etc. that are being built and funded by the drug cartels. They leave out far into the US, and far away from the border. So would that mean that we would need to not only build a high fence, but extend it hundreds of feet under ground as well? That’s not practical.

  • POkNoo

    lol, that dude is SO full of himself, I am surprised his head doesnt implode.

    http://www.being-anon.eu.tc

  • retire05

    During the only debate we have had so far, the one that Bret Briar hosted, I don’t recall “the fence” being one of the issues discussed. Yes, the candidates were asked about how they would deal with immigration, but not what they would do about “the fence.” I also don’t remember “the fence” being a big issue when Sarah Palin was running for VP with Shamnesty McCain.

    Now, the Palin supporters can excuse her lack of attention to the fence, and the fact that she told Univision that she believed in a path to citizenship for illegals, but that leaves us one of two conclusions: she was either pandering to Hispanics for votes and choosing to abandon her conservative creds by supporting citizenship for law breakers in order to get elected, or she lied.

    No one on this thread has even mentioned the time Perry met Obama at the airport, and tried to hand Obama a letter requesting boots on the ground on the border, which Obama waved off to Valerie Jarrett.

    What other candidate has had to address “the fence?” Are we to believe that the other states do not have an illegal problem?

  • daryl

    ** NO BORDER WALL **

    http://www.no-border-wall.com/

  • BS61

    #259 September 4, 2011 at 1:48 am
    bg commented

    talk is cheap, which is why Palin will never say anything against McCain the way he has against her

    bg, I guess that I want some cheap talk now – someone who stands up for us and is not afraid to stand up against the establishment.

  • bg

    ++

    BS61 #272 September 4, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    then you have been totally deaf to Palins speaking out against
    the establishment and courageously standing up for us.. perhaps
    if i labeled it “rich” talk, you’d get what i meant by talk is cheap
    in the context of my Palin re: McCain comment??

    ==

  • Rock

    #254 September 4, 2011 at 1:06 am
    jainphx commented:

    Rock please stop with the “she would be a better at the power broker garbage
    ………………………………………………………………………………………….

    jainphx, no dissing intended, we are in this mess because the Right failed to recognize the groundwork the Left put in place before going public with their Socialist BS. No matter how Conservative a President we get, without the support of like minded bureaucracy to aid the implementation of his or her agenda it is a up hill battle. We desperately need someone who can rally the voters to the cause, can you think of anyone who is more effective and loved by Conservatives than Palin. I want to beat this Progressive disease into the ground, to put the fear of God and Country in their hearts. I want to see the day the LSM and Hollywood is fearful of promoting their Lefty agenda, and I want to see Progressives too fearful of the Right to ever utter one word again about Political Correctness and Social Engineering. The media will attempt to destroy a Republican President, while they expend their energy there, Palin can kick the support of Socialism out from under their Commie butts. A president is far too restricted in what they can do at the local level. WTF was a community organizer, Palin would out shine him as a National Organizer, I want the biggest bang for my buck and Palin would deliver not restrained by Congress and the Media. Believe me I have all the respect in the world for Palin and see her as Americas savoir in the fight against Socialism.

  • BS61

    bg #273 – Perhaps I’m still kinda mad at Palin for stumping for RINO McCain in my hot as hell state. I wish that she would have stood up for the actual Tea Party candidate running against McCain, but she did not.

  • Rock

    #275 September 4, 2011 at 1:14 pm
    BS61
    stumping for RINO McCain
    …………………………………………………..

    Yea that was a disappointment, hopefully it was nothing more than an ill advised shout out to him for putting her in the National spotlight.

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  • bg

    ++

    BS61 #275 September 4, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    oh i understand, and can’t says i blame you..

    however.. i am certain she has learned much more
    since then, and will hopefully, like i said, get even..

    as far as JD is concerned, i like him, but i don’t live in AZ, so i must ask, if
    McCain is so detested, why wasn’t JD elected (yes, same could be asked
    a several others ie: Kerry), and why did he lose the first time?? thanks..

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    re: #278

    asked a = asked of

    ==

  • Militant Conservative

    Micro chip all caught illegals like the dogs they are.

    Virtual fence, high tech security. With a little explosives.

    Helps fertilize the barren areas of the south.

    Chip congress and senate too.

  • MN8

    I can’t believe the responses on here that favor Rick Perry.

    In 1936, Communist International stated that “Dictatorship can be established only by a victory of socialism in different countries or groups of countries, after which there would be federal unions of the various groupings of these socialist countries, and the third stage would be an amalgamation of these regional federal unions into a world union of socialist nations.”

    What followed after that was “a victory of socialism in different countries” in Europe.

    After that, those countries under “free trade” agreements, also known as a “common” market, eventually became a European political Union.

    Followed by an African Union, a South American Union and a Mediterranean Union, ect.

    Rick Perry’s record with the Trans-Texas corridor shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that his presidency will aid and abet further consolidation of the North American region.

    Wake up people!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.fina-nafi.org

  • MJ

    They should make Sheriff Joe the Head chief on ALL American borders. Problem solved forever.
    A fence does not work.
    We have spent tons of $$ on fences, it does not work.

  • FeFe

    Drones are an option after you control the flow and violence. Perry is getting ahead of himself and betting on people not knowing how successful our walls were in Iraq in stemming the flow of terrorists and smugglers. Our military got guidance from Israel, for their wall has proved a liberator from terror, so this may well be the reason so little is said about it.

    Building Iraq border walls was spearheaded by General Patraeus who took command in Iraq in 2007, and now goes on to Director of the CIA.

    “But now that the CIA’s drone strikes are effectively the main U.S. counterterrorism effort, increasingly indistinct from a military operation, it’s perhaps natural that Mr. Petraeus will run the CIA. Out of uniform and in the shadows, he’ll still play a leading role shaping American strategy in a sprawling war that has defined him and which he himself has largely defined. At Langley, Petraeus will surely become a cipher and a proxy for a new security debate: the efficacy and wisdom of the new U.S. shadow wars.”

    But make no mistake, Mexico is considered a serious threat to America by our military. ‘Top Secret America’: A look at the military’s Joint Special Operations Command:

    “Mexico is at the top of its wish list. … But JSOC’s National Capital task force is not just sitting idly by, waiting to be useful to its southern neighbors. It is creating targeting packages for U.S. domestic agencies that have sought its help, including the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, the second-largest federal law enforcement agency and the latest to make a big play for a larger U.S. counterterrorism role.”

    And remember that CNN junkie, FOX banning, liberal in the military, but not a kool-aid drinker to his demise, and JSOC’s daddy Brig. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal?

    “…the organization is busy with its new 30,000-square-foot office building turned command center. Unlike previous offices, it is not in some obscure part of the world. It sits across the highway from the Pentagon in pristine suburban splendor, just a five-minute drive from McChrystal’s civilian office and the former general’s favorite beer-call restaurants.”

    I for one am not going to let Americans, civilian or military, be used as collateral damage in the pursuit of greater military equipment. Americans are more important than institutions. Build.The.Wall.

  • BS61

    #278 September 4, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    bg commented:

    as far as JD is concerned, i like him, but i don’t live in AZ, so i must ask, if
    McCain is so detested, why wasn’t JD elected (yes, same could be asked
    a several others ie: Kerry), and why did he lose the first time??

    Gosh bg, JD Hayworh was not the Tea Party candidate, Deakin was!

  • BS61

    #283 FeFe – You are right, the border let’s in way more than Mexican’s!

    In 2009, according to Homeland Security documents obtained by ABC 15, ICE officials detained 45,279 undocumented immigrants classified as OTM. While the vast majority were from other Central American countries like El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, officials also arrested 10 undocumented immigrants from Iran, 10 from Iraq, six from Lebanon and 19 from Pakistan

    Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/other/terrorists-crossing-az-border-into-u.s.%3F#ixzz1X21vFHH6

  • bg

    ++

    BS61 #284 September 4, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    oh stop whining & get a grip, what am i, a crystal ball..

    like i’m supposed know all about YOUR state??

    sorry, never heard of Deakin, not even going
    to google the name i care so much, sue me..

    besides, i’ve a hard enough time trying to keep
    up with my own states crapolashovelers, gah!!

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    re: #286 September 4, 2011 at 7:45 pm bg

    re: BS61 #284 September 4, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    my apologies, i missed your mentioning
    Tea Party & assumed it was Hayworth..

    i am not up on the TEA candidates, too busy fighting the
    fake Tea Partiers, RINO Republicans, and Dhimmmi Dems..

    ==

  • BS61

    #276 September 4, 2011 at 1:28 pm
    Rock commented:

    Yea that was a disappointment, hopefully it was nothing more than an ill advised shout out to him for putting her in the National spotlight.

    I hope that you are right!

  • BS61

    #286 September 4, 2011 at 7:45 pm
    bg commented:
    ++

    BS61 #284 September 4, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    oh stop whining & get a grip, what am i, a crystal ball..

    like i’m supposed know all about YOUR state??

    sorry, never heard of Deakin, not even going
    to google the name i care so much, sue me..

    besides, i’ve a hard enough time trying to keep
    up with my own states crapolashovelers, gah!!

    Totally understand bg – the guy was a vet and in the 912 group and very nervous during the debate!

  • bg

    ++

    BS61 #289 September 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    i unequivocally support all 3, TEA Party, 9/12ers,
    VETERANS (have quite a few in my own family)..

    Thank You J D.. 🙂

    Godspeed & better luck next time!!

    ==

  • BS61

    @290 bg

    Sounds like you have a great family!

    Thanks for the link!

  • Patty

    AP has become even more Liberal and nonfactual. Apparently, the debates will answer all of our concerns.

    But Perry will amaze. And btw, I don’t have a favorite candidate.

  • Jim

    No fence=No Perry, no way! Perry would be no different than another 4 years of Obozo, both are just complete liars albeit one is an illegal alien. Both are globalist stooges

    Ron Paul 2012 or bust, no more compromises!

  • bg
  • bg

    ++

    BS61 #291 September 4, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    oh you’re quite welcome..

    thank you, and i bet you do too.. 🙂

    ==