HOUSE DELAYS DEBT VOTE – Bret Baier Explains Next Steps (Video)

The House Rules Committee will meet and pass same day rule tonight – Another debate and vote tomorrow!

Bret Baier explained the next steps in the process.
There will be a new bill and debate tomorrow.

House Speaker John Boehner announced that there would be not debt vote tonight. The Republican leader could not get enough votes for his latest debt plan to pass.
FOX News reported:

House Republican leaders delayed a final vote on Speaker John Boehner’s deficit-reduction bill Thursday evening as Democrats warned the speaker that he was wasting his time.

Republican leaders said there will still be a vote on the controversial plan Thursday night but they needed more time to round up enough support.

Boehner, vowing to deliver the bill to the Senate, worked to corral the support of reluctant conservatives. The House first approved what’s known as the “rule” for the bill in a 238-186 vote, in a boost of confidence for the speaker.

Jennifer Rubin has the scoop on what went on behind the scene tonight – “Buckets of crazy.”

#1 July 28, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Speaking Clearly commented:

They don’t have enough Tea Party votes. They’re tweaking it.

I agree with Rand Paul in this case….tweak it to become Cut Cap and Balance…and they’ll have the votes in the House.
#2 July 28, 2011 at 10:02 pm
No Man commented:

Shut it down.

It’s us or the government.

We can live without it.

It can’t live without us.
#3 July 28, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Mahdi Al-Dajjal commented:

Boehner & Cantor are alone behind locked doors in the Speaker’s Office huddling together under Boehner’s desk trying to figure out just WHERE they went wrong! They haven’t got a clue…
#4 July 28, 2011 at 10:08 pm
MDd commented:

“….tweak it to become Cut Cap and Balance”

How do you do that? Anyway, I think Boner has blown it. After Reid tabled CC&B, Boner should have stood pat, and asked Harry for his plan. By continuing to bid himself down rather than bidding against a competitor, he’s destroyed the brand. If he doesn’t get his latest and greatest passed, he’s now marginalized. If he squeaks it by, then it loses in the Senate, he’ll not only have marginalized himself but the GOP.
#5 July 28, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Rose commented:

I pray with all my heart that they FAIL to HIKE the Debt Ceiling, and that NOTHING works for them in their personal lives until they SLASH govt spending in HONEST ways.
Flush the Marxist extravagant waste and destruction.
#6 July 28, 2011 at 10:10 pm
donh commented:

Mr Boehner best reflect upon the following Gospel of Luke

4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee ASS behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

You cannot serve two masters Mr Speaker . Serve the people and not the big spenders who play a false God.
#8 July 28, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Rose commented:

#2 – BRILLIANT! AGREED! From your mouth to God’s Ears! AMEN!
#9 July 28, 2011 at 10:15 pm
gus commented:

Boehner HAS NOT blown ANYTHING. YET.

Despite the moronic bloviations of OLD FART. Boehner needs to UNDERSTAND, that the so called TEA PARTY candidates are not f#$king around.
#10 July 28, 2011 at 10:15 pm
succotash commented:

I just heard on local news ABC that O was going to raise the debt ceiling by using the 14th ammendment..can he legally do that?
#11 July 28, 2011 at 10:18 pm
No Man commented:

Not likely.

The next sentence after the one about “not question the debts” says the Congress has the authority.

This is a step to absolute tyranny.
#12 July 28, 2011 at 10:19 pm
wolf t commented:

Boehner lied about the size of the original cuts in the budget bill last March. Why should anyone believe him now? He’s a nobody without the Tea party republicans. He should stop giving orders and prepare to take them from the conservative wing of the party!

If the government shuts down Obama will have to make a decision, his first. The people will see the sky won’t fall, the seas won’t rise and the sun will still rise in the east and set in the west.
#13 July 28, 2011 at 10:21 pm
StrangernFiction commented:

Repubicans: We are only one branch of the Federal Government, we can only get what we can get.

‘rats: We will give you nothing.

Repubicans: OK
#14 July 28, 2011 at 10:22 pm
bg commented:

++

this rant is spot on great!!

How dare the millionaires in Congress speak of “shared sacrifice”

[For people like Reid to even suggest that is is a “shared sacrifice”
is beyond insult to the majority of the American people–the 80%
of us who earn less than $100,000 a year.

Hell yes this is a class war. I hope that the people in the USA wake up
to the fact that we are the majority. We can turn our backs on BOTH
parties and elect Independents in 2012. We control 80% of the vote.

That’s right. 20% of Americans earn more than $100,000 a year. 80% of
us don’t and we are the ones in control of the votes. Let’s start working
now to put candidates in office who will represent the majority. Let’s
start putting candidates in office who are less concerned with their own
personal wealth and more concerned with the well-being of the majority
of the American people.

My God! We have 13 members of Congress who place bets against the
country they were elected to support. What more proof do the American
people need before they realize that Congress does NOT represent the
majority?]

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#15 July 28, 2011 at 10:25 pm
ron8072 commented:

#2 No Man. Well said, Here, Here. CC&B is the answer, not nearly strong enough, but the best we have so far. bummer and his ilk have only objections and threats. This is no game, so I won’t say “Hold the Line” as if it were a football game. I will say “Remember the stakes, Stand Firm”. The future of our country depends on it. If you fail, we all pay. Dearly.
#16 July 28, 2011 at 10:29 pm
MVH commented:

The “intransigence” of those Representatives that don’t want to get their “a** in line” should clear up for ~~the Cry-baby Orange Guy~~ Boehner that they know who put them in office.

They didn’t see the TEA Party parade coming and run in front of it and act like they were there all along like Johnny B and other GOP barnacles. Those Reps were there from the beginning! Boehner et. al. should be glad that the TEA Party joined in with the Republicans.

Don’t forget what that elitist ex Senate Majority leader and current DC lobbyist Trent Lott said about the TEA Partiers: “As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them…”

Looks like it ain’t turning out like Trent said it would.
#17 July 28, 2011 at 10:30 pm
driguana commented:

This is all getting very confusing. No one on any of the “news” programs has talked about what happens if the Boehner bill fails in the House. They only talk about if it passes in the House and then goes and fails in the Senate. What happens if it fails in the House? Does the Senate then have to come up with a bill? If there is no bill coming from the Republicans in the House, what happens? Couldn’t it be a positive thing if no bill is passed in the House? Wouldn’t that then force the president and the Dems to have to put a bill on the table…somebody’s table? Help!!!
#18 July 28, 2011 at 10:31 pm
gus commented:

bg, STRANGER and Wolf.

Boehner is a good man. He is a product of the SYSTEM. NO TEA PARTY. We have PELOSI as Speaker. Boehner has risen thru the ranks by playing…”the game”. The game/games ARE OVER.
This shiit is serious now.
Obama has f#$ked up LARGER and FASTER than nearly IMAGINABLE. PELOSI and REID filled in the blanks and paid off the CONSTITUENCIES. All designed to keep THEMSELVES in POWER.

It’s hard NOT to CONSIDER that Cloward-Piven, may not be far from the TRUTH.
#19 July 28, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Redwine commented:

If Boehner gets his way, and enough GOP House members cave, he will carry the realization of the worst case scenario on his shoulders. Comrade Dear Leader stacked the deck. With scofflaw Holder as AG and 2 perjurious toadies installed in the SCOTUS, not to mention an entire shadow government and well-stocked federal agencies with their own SWAT teams, he can run circles around Congress and invoke the 14th Amendment as it was not intended to be, and get away with not being impeachable.

GOP Conservatives!!! Please, for the sake of the Republic, please stand strong!!!
#20 July 28, 2011 at 10:37 pm
gus commented:

We still haven’t seen Ofuktards plan??

Do we have to PASS THE BILL to see what’s IN THE BILL?? Again??
#21 July 28, 2011 at 10:37 pm
bg commented:

++

lets not lose sight of the goal..

this is not about in fighting between Dems or Reps, this is not about
publicly aired disputes between Dems or Reps, and this is not about
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, or Boehner.. it’s also not about the Tea Party..

THIS IS ABOUT WE THE PEOPLE’S FUTURE..

THIS IS ABOUT AMERICA’S FUTURE GENERATIONS LIVING IN FREEDOM..

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL..

Obama, the Dem leadership, and the Rino’s are evidently united..

leaving the rest of US, aka: the majority to either stand tall or fall..

the choice is ours to make, do we make it..

or do we let them make it for US knowing that
they will only dig a deeper hole to bury US in..

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#22 July 28, 2011 at 10:40 pm
gus commented:

REDWINE!! Bingo. How about John McCain? Heard his latest nonsense??
#23 July 28, 2011 at 10:42 pm
donh commented:

It is better a stalemate be kicked in by Obama siezing dictatorial powers than having Republicans cave . Cowardice enables Obama’s criminal profligate spending to continue under the cover of sound moral authority granted by congressional law. If Obama takes such a path to force our nation into more debt without the legal consent of the governed, it is sure to trigger a big bond sell off, and a credit downgrade. Obama will have to pay much higher interest rayes on existing debt if he asserts dictatorial powers to borrow above the debt ceiling. Things will really spiral out of control fast, and the Lord will not spare Washington DC the misery to be reaped for what these evil politicians have sewn .
#24 July 28, 2011 at 10:43 pm
gus commented:

#21 bg. STANDING OVATION.
#25 July 28, 2011 at 10:52 pm
gus commented:

donh. What on earth makes ANYONE THINK, that the Fuktard in Chief, DOESN’T WANT THIS TO BE A CRISIS??

Never let a CRISIS go to waste.
#26 July 28, 2011 at 10:53 pm
American Patriot commented:

#4 MDd….

I totally agree with your viewpoint. Boehner already sent a bill up to Reid (CCB), and if he refused to bring it up for a vote in the Senate, then why should Boehner feel compelled to send Reid something else? At that point, the dems owned the problem, the ball was in their court. Boehner should have told Dingy and the ManChild to present their own bill, then gone on every news outlet and told the nation the Repubs were trying, but the dems were standing in the way! How hard can that be?
#27 July 28, 2011 at 10:56 pm
tommy mc donnell commented:

i think no matter what they come up with in the end the american politicans will win and the american citizens will lose. lets face it the vast majority of them couldn’t care less about what the majority of the american people want. they are career politicans in government for their own benefit.
#28 July 28, 2011 at 10:56 pm
bg commented:

++

gus #18

re: [This shiit is serious now.]

more like a matter of life & death..

i’ve been posting warnings ad nauseum since 9/11, at warp speed
repetition since the first time ever i heard the name Barack Hussein
Obama.. and/but i am elated so many others are finally waking up..

only problem is, i predicted it may be too late, as the longer it takes US,
the stronger Obama et al grow.. aah, we shall see, i’m hoping, praying
and banking on my being WRONG as WRONG can be!!

God Bless This Country, Land Of The Free!!

Stand Beside US & Guide US, Amen..

==
#29 July 28, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Mutnodjmet commented:

One DEBT to Rule Them All!!! Hold them back! Do not give in to fear! Stand to your posts! FIGHT!
#30 July 28, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Redwine commented:

OMG, gus (@22), yes! The establishment GOP is a major part of the problem. How much they understand the extent of the damage they do is debatable. Throughout the 2008 campaign, I had a terrible feeling that McRINO’s place was to get Dear Leader elected. He kept letting slip by so many opportunities to lay Hussein’s background and intentions bare. He stayed quiet pretty much till now. His current attacks on the Tea Party are, in essence, an attack on those who wish to preserve the Republic and its founding documents. The GOP is wading in perilous waters.
#31 July 28, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Old Dude commented:

I wonder what Reid and Co. would do if the House passed Reid’s bill but only raised the debt ceiling just enough (say about $1.8T) to take us until fall of next year? They could say they compromised with the Democrats. They could say they gave them almost everything they asked for. They could say they even gave Obama almost all of the ceiling increase he wanted. Let the Democrats vote it down and the only reason for it would have to be that it didn’t take Obama past election day like he wanted.

Would Obama veto such a bill knowing that the whole country could see this as pure election year politics on his part for personal gain?
#33 July 28, 2011 at 11:08 pm
gus commented:

bg. You have a lot to say, and I applaud your Patriotism. If it interests you, I met with U.S SEN. Ron Johnson at his office Monday. And Rep Paul Ryan. I was in D.C. for a few days.
My Mother was being buried WITH my Father at Arlington National Cemetery.
#34 July 28, 2011 at 11:15 pm
bg commented:

+

gus #24

thank you..

gus #33

so sorry to hear about your dear Mother..

my sincere condolences to you & your family on your loss..

and may your dear Mother RIP in Gods hands..

==
#35 July 28, 2011 at 11:17 pm
succotash commented:

Gus I am very sorry for your loss.
#36 July 28, 2011 at 11:21 pm
StrangernFiction commented:

It is better a stalemate be kicked in by Obama siezing dictatorial powers than having Republicans cave.

Agreed, and Barky and the ‘rats are very capable of self-destructing if they are pushed. But you have to push them.
#37 July 28, 2011 at 11:24 pm
StrangernFiction commented:

#34 #35

Ditto
#38 July 28, 2011 at 11:27 pm
lizzy84 commented:

Dear Gus,
It is for US now…’ to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from our honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.’

God Save the Republic and bless you, dear patriot.
#39 July 28, 2011 at 11:28 pm
bg commented:

++

been 3 years and still no budget, last budget
Congress passed was Bush’s under Obama..

THE SCENT OF OBAMA’S INELIGIBILITY
IS GETTING STRONGER & STRONGER..

AND THE CORRUPTION OF THE POWERS THAT BE IN CONGRESS, NO
MATTER HOW THEY TRY TO HIDE THE BILLS THEY PASS, HAS BECOME
AS AUDACIOUSLY TRANSPARENT AS THE PRESENTS SUIT..

AS FOR THE MEDIA, THEY LIE!! WHAT ELSE IS NEWS??

==
#40 July 28, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Rock commented:

The Tea Party newcomers have done what they where sent there for, the Repukes establishment caved, we just need more Tea Party types that can force the establishment to stick to their guns, that or Primary the old coots out, at this rate we get nothing but grief.
Piglosi is correct we do want to destroy her and WTF push for Socialism, of course she will never admit that is the reason. I’d call her a sl#t but they are at least honest about their jobs, Piglosi not so much.
#41 July 28, 2011 at 11:35 pm
bg commented:

++

disclaimer re: #39

re: [been 3 years and still no budget,]

that’s i’ve been reading anyways..

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#42 July 28, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Molon Labe commented:

#6

That was brillant but I think its clear who Boehner will serve. Its sad to see a replay of the Obama care disaster except this time its Boehner buying the votes. This isn’t about the welfare of the American people anymore.

Its about two mafia factions dividing the loot and dividing future spoils. Its sickening. The system is so far gone I’d rather tear it down and start anew.

It must have term limits; judgement for punishment of members of the House and Senate by a permanent outside body; the same for the president; a flat tax; limits on the courts; limitations on the government regarding freedom to contract and association; an end to racial preferences; a limitation on the use of military power by the president; a balanced budget amendment. An end to the revolving door between the private and public sectors.
#43 July 28, 2011 at 11:38 pm
C-Christian Soldier commented:

in this case Coulter is wrong!
but-just found out that Bill Maher (sp) is a friend of hers…geeeeeez Ann!

stand firm House Freshmen-
We are with you!!!
C-CS
#44 July 28, 2011 at 11:41 pm
bg commented:

++

Obama’s 2012 Budget

oh my, gotta love the blame Bush chart..

do try and stay awake so you can see
what your lying ears are hearing..

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#45 July 28, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Rock commented:

Gus. prayers for you and your family. God bless your father and mother for their sacrifices. HOOAH!
#46 July 28, 2011 at 11:50 pm
gus commented:

Hey!! THANKS ALL FOR THE CONDOLENSCES AND KIND WORDS.
Mom died the day after my BELOVED GREEN BAY PACKERS won the SUPER BOWL.
My grief is now JOY. Mom is home.
#47 July 28, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Speaking Clearly commented:

Rush is saying that this chess game is leading the GOP into a Democrat Harry Reid trap.

In other words…all of this compromising on a debt ceiling increase the old GOP is trying to do, beyond the already passed Cut Cap and Balance, will end up being passed by the Senate in another form, and sent back to the House to reconcile the diffenences…

…then Boehner will be left holding an ugly Pig in his hands….The GOP would then have the pressure to pass the pig-of-a-Bill….and if they don’t, then supposedly the GOP would be blamed for default.

Interesting….but who knows.

I find it a stretch that the GOP will be blamed by the American people, no matter what the outcome at this point.

I think there are still enough Americans left, that understand the lies, fearmongering, and trickery, that the Dems are playing….to realize that the Dems only want to raise Taxes, and they are never as transparent about anything they try to ram through.

The Dem strategy: Doubt…Uncertainty…Fearmongering….Trickery….Granny will not get her SS check if the debt ceiling isn’t raised…The Stock Market will crash….Interest Rates will go up if you don’t let us spend past next year’s elections.

If the GOP does cave…and the debt ceiling is raised…and magically The Great Collapse is averted…I believe it will be a contrived outcome….and there would have never been a Collapse in the first place…if the GOP were to have stopped with just the Cut Cap and Balance Bill.

I actually agree with Shaun Hannity on this one….who says the GOP should have stopped with CCB and tossed the football to the Dems….and I disagree with Ann Coulter…who believes America will blame the Tea Party if National Parks are closed by Obama.
#48 July 29, 2011 at 12:04 am
Redwine commented:

gus – Sorry to hear of your loss.
#49 July 29, 2011 at 12:32 am
Estragon commented:

Actually, the Boehner plan is pretty darned close to the compromise deal he and Reid took to Obama that Obama turned down.

I don’t know if Rush knows anything about chess – never saw his name on the rating lists. But if Boehner 1.2 fails, the initiative passes to the Democrats. We are too close to the deadline to start over. They will pass the Reid version and the House either accepts it or we are the ones who caused the default.

Now, I admire all the nice sounding rhetoric, but I wonder who appreciates what default really means? Take Italy, which has NOT defaulted OR “de facto defaulted” by cutting any other payments due. Their 10 year notes just jumped to 5.77% yield. Right now our comparable paper is paying 2.29%.

So if our default – technical or de facto – only forces our rating down to Italy’s, which has not defaulted in any way yet, we will be paying nearly $500 billion MORE in interest every year. Our total interest will be close to $750 billion, every year. That’s JUST interest, no paying down the debt.

You think we’re in a deep hole now, try doing that to our interest rate.

I don’t mind the tough talk and waving the Gadsden Flag around but for crying out loud, people, invest $5 in a calculator if you can’t do the math.
#50 July 29, 2011 at 12:58 am
bg commented:

++

too many people seem be assuming that Boehner’s plan was a shoo in..

[The Republican-controlled House defied a presidential veto threat Tuesday night in approving a bill to amend the Constitution to require a balanced federal budget. But Speaker John A. Boehner acknowledged that a backup plan is needed, and a Senate GOP leader said he expects such an alternative to win his chamber’s approval.]

okay, so what as the sense of passing the House Bill in the first place??

not to mention all these other bills.. uh, plans, WRF ever..

hah, like i said, there’s a bridge back on the selling bloc..

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#51 July 29, 2011 at 1:01 am
Pat the First commented:

Boehner sure look very tired in that picture. I wonder when it was taken.
#52 July 29, 2011 at 1:06 am
gus commented:

I’m not waving the Gadsden flag at all. What YOU are talking about Estragon, is that we MUST borrow MORE in order to keep from having our INTEREST RATES rise.

the TITANITC is on a collision course with the BOTTOM of the Atlantic. We can avoid THIS ICEBERG, but we MUST, chart a course that STOPS COLLISIONS.

The LIBTARDS can own this too. Estragon. IF, we (I’m no Republican), but if WE, do not FORCE a CHANGE OF COURSE.

It is CERTAIN. LIBTARDS WILL SINK US ANYWAY.
#53 July 29, 2011 at 1:19 am
Speaking Clearly commented:

No matter what happens….Obama and the Democrats are going to continue lying to the American people, and not be transparent about the truth. This is why the GOP needs to hold better press conferences and show the American people the truth about the fearmongering.

In other words…Obama could bounce checks in the case of no deal…and he will lie and blame the GOP….

….Obama could also, in the case of no deal, step up to the podium with a cape on, and claim that He, “As President” has single-handedly decided to raise the debt limit by Executive Order, and was forced to do this by the evil GOP, in order to save Granny’s Social Security Check…

…Obama could also end up getting a “Compromise” on his desk to sign…and he will lie again…and take credit for the whole thing.

Remember that the stock market crash in the fall of 2008, resulted in STIMULUS being passed, and all the fearmongering has left us in worse debt, and the stock market has rebounded.

In my opionion, both the Democrats and the Republicans are governing, based on fear-of-wrath, of a naive, and uneducated Citizenry, who will believe the lies and fearmongering of the Democrats….instead of governing based on the Truth, and trusting in the American people.

I think all the pundits like OReilly, who are saying the Tea Party will be blamed, and implode, if the debt ceiling isn’t raised, should be ashamed of themselves. OReilly doesn’t stand for anything but himself.

The Tea Party is what is saving America.

Most Americans don’t understand that when Washington says they are cutting the budget, what they aren’t telling Americans, is that they are only cutting the amount of increase, from the baseline, of inflationary spending.

The only way to truly slash the Budget is to go back to what the Budget was 10 years ago.

If this means gutting, repealing, and closing down some government agencies…..so be it.

Why are so many in the Tea Party holding their ground right now, when they could just wait until after the 2012 elections, when they control both Houses and the Oval Office????

Because why should we make it that much harder to balance our Budget, and get out of Debt, on a new President, when we can stop Obama’s credit card binge now.

I think the Tea Party and Conservatives will take control of both Houses, and the Oval Office, regardless of what happens with this Debt crisis. The American people can see that every decision that Barack Obama has made since in office, has not been in the best interests of the United States.

Does America want 4 more Years of this Nightmare? I think not.
#54 July 29, 2011 at 1:28 am
Redwine commented:

Rubin’s wrong about Coulter. She’s a faux conservative (much like O’Reilly). Coulter has been strongly pushing for another faux conservative, Christie the Dhimmi, to enter the race (all but scuttled now).
#55 July 29, 2011 at 1:30 am
Redwine commented:

Excellent analysis, Speaking Clearly (@53). I concur.
#57 July 29, 2011 at 1:54 am
Sandy commented:

It seems that if Congress fails to get this done then after August 2nd Obama will be in charge of what happens. I would rather see them make some kind of deal then let Obama have this kind of power.

Pray God Congress stays in charge of the purse.
#58 July 29, 2011 at 1:54 am
Speaking Clearly commented:

And if our Credit Rating is downgraded, by the crooked Rating agencies that helped to get us into this mess in the first place….I call that Credit and Market manipulation of the highest order.

If The United State of America has enough money to cover our debts…then there is NO reason why these Credit Rating Groups should downgrade our AAA status in the first place.

We have been told by numerous Congress Members that we DO have enough revenues to cover our debts, and then some.

So what is going to happen to us if the Democrats and Obama are allowed to keeping spending us over a cliff??? Where does it end???

How is compromising with the Democrats, and raising the ceiling going to avert a crisis, if we wait until after the elections to stop our spending spree???

So in other words….the GOP are supposed to let Obama keep spending, to avert a COLLAPSE….then magically the sky stops falling….then vote out Obama in the 2012 elections….and then start reigning in the Budget and Spending when it is up to a 20 Trillion Dollar Deficit.

At what point do the Democrats understand that The United States will have to file Bankruptsy, which is Collapse, when it becomes impossible to pay down our debts???

We already have the unchecked Federal Reserve making our dollar worth basically nothing….and now we are supposed to be at the mercy of these Credit Reporting Groups???

In my opinion, our AAA Credit Rating should stay in place due to Capping our Spending now, and paying our debts with the tax revenues currently in place. If we drastically cut our Budgets, of worthless Government agencies, and ObamaCare, that should logically prove the numbers for the almighty Credit Agencies to believe in the good faith of America.

So our Stock Market and Goverment is being ran by fear, instead of facts. Fear from powerful Groups.

This doesn’t sound like a Republic to me.
#59 July 29, 2011 at 2:16 am
Got Billy Ayers on Speed Dial commented:

Jennifer Rubin? Sheesh. I’m tired of Rubin bashing TEA party republicans. She is part of the problem.

As for Ann Coulter, or is it Ann ‘Bill Maher’ Coulter? Ann lost all credibility with me when she stuck up for Bill Maher in his slanderous attacks on Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin. She was hyperventilating on Hannity.
#60 July 29, 2011 at 2:31 am
Atlas Shrugged commented:

Gus, you’re right. How ridiculous is it that they’re trying to convince us that we have to BORROW MORE to keep our interest rate down? The sheer idiocy of that boggles the mind…

We keep our interest rates down by RESTORING CONFIDENCE in America. Plain and simple. We aren’t going to restore confidence in anything but stupidity if we allow them to kick this can down the road.
#62 July 29, 2011 at 3:12 am
Roy Beans commented:

In less than 1 minute the dilemma we are all facing is made plain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63vyrsCGyGE&feature=player_embedded

What interest me the most is not the conclusion in this video but rather how desperate is our situation. A sane budget would have little if any deficit spending. Even if you gave in to remove the Bush tax cuts (which would inevitably reduce GDP) and remove the speeded up oil drilling cost write offs and corporate jet owners speeded up replacement and maintenance tax write off that the Democrats instituted but now think is in bad taste; you would still barely touch the deficit. The linear thinking Democrats think they could raise up to 250 billion a year with these measures but that would be only 15% of the yearly deficit. The balance would compound year after year, not to mention the probable reduction in GDP as people scurry to hide their income.
Even with these taxes raised, a balanced budget would not be covering the all of the entitlement programs let alone zero defense, zero transportation, education (no loss there), day to day government operations, parks, research, department of agriculture, commerce, energy, homeland security, interior, justice, fema, food and drug, forest service, National institute of health, NOAA, and on and on and on.

One more factor: this year the latest Social Security report stated that we are injecting about 140 billion from the Social Security trust fund which includes interest payment and principle. This money gets paid to Social Security from general revenues (taxes) as payments on the bonds. (there is no pool of money just a “bond” promise to pay from the treasury). Medicare is the same thing. Both of these programs are beginning a rapidly climbing exponential curve that by 2025 is out of control.

Conclusion: taxes will go up out of sheer panic, entitlements will get cut, there is going to be a lot of blaming, yelling and screaming.
If we do not have the political will to cut spending everywhere. Then our only other plan is to print the money. Every day from here on out we will be entertained by the conjecture that we could print the deficit and remove the interest payment.

This is the real crisis, the debt ceiling is just the illustration of where we are.
#63 July 29, 2011 at 6:00 am
Ohio Granny commented:

Shut it down. Agree with #2. When people see it is NOT the end of the world, and maybe, just maybe, the S&P will be thrilled with no new debt, no new spending.

What happens when you max out your credit cards or file Chapter 11? You stop spending. This could be the only right move.

Let the talking heads explode. Even Laura Ingraham was freaking out. Shepherd Smith was nearly fainting into the arms of Juan Williams.

Do we have any adults in Congress? Boehner needs to grow a pair and just say NO. It doesn’t matter what the short term polls say. What matters is we stop Obama and Geitner from having access to more and more money.

Sometimes, doing nothing is the best course of action.
#64 July 29, 2011 at 6:01 am
Tom63010 commented:

I have seen this act before. Do you ever see the Democrats act this way? As much as can’t stand how Liberals destroy this country economically and spiritually I must say tactically they now how to accomplish their mission. For the first part of this excursion we had Boehner on Laura Ingraham then Rush Limbaugh, then finally Sean Hannity. At the time all three listened and were cordial. Then Sean and Rush announced they didn’t like it. The next day Boehner only went on Laura’s show. Now the TEA Party Caucus for the most part has stuck to their guns and are not going to vote for it. Now they are being demonized by the Commander and Chief of the RINOs none other than John McCain. ALL THE WHILE HARRY REID AND BARACK OBAMA DECLARE THAT THE BILL WILL NOT PASS THE SENATE AND THE PRESIDENT WOULD VETO IT! Rush has always said and I agree that the problem with Republicans is we tend to eat our own.
#65 July 29, 2011 at 6:06 am
Militant Conservative commented:

And I’m getting rich off of the politics!

Bring it on! I wish for sanity for America. I have

Prepared for chaos, looks like I’m gonna get rich.

Suckers!

Powder is dry
#66 July 29, 2011 at 7:28 am
Auntie Em commented:

Well, it may not matter, but for the first time in my adult life I am proud to be a Hobbitt! *I am looking right into ur beady little rat eyes, McCain.*

#HobbittPower

I am proud of the job our Tea Party Patriots are doing in Washington. If we don’t stand strong now, nothing will ever change.

God bless you all.
#67 July 29, 2011 at 7:34 am
tommy mc donnell commented:

is there a single politican in washington who is willing to admit that what they have been doing over the last twenty years is wrong? this debt crisis is a creation of their policies. yet when the american people ask them to change their policies they respond by calling them hobbits and other names. like a bunch of lemmings they seem to want to continue to do the same thing. does anyone else believe that this might be the most incompetent group of people in the history of our government. why do we believe that they can solve this problem when it is their beliefs and policies that caused it? lets face we have an incompentent aristocracy running the country.
#68 July 29, 2011 at 7:43 am
Gary commented:

BG, Gus, Stranger, etc
I’m glad I checked in this morning.
I went to sleep last night thinking this was on its way to the Senate.
And I was starting to think that I was the only person in world who still thought it was a tremendous cave.
It’s hard for our side with all the media against us and now Fox News getting farther left every day. When you have guys like Krauthammer spouting conventional “wisdom” and a string of Republicans on Fox explaining why they have to have this version passed, then they bring on one or two obscure holdouts and grill them with a “what’s your problem?” tone, it seems like we don’t have a friend in prime time.

I wish Rush were on in the evening. O’Reilly’s ratings would drop hard.
#70 July 29, 2011 at 7:48 am
Gary commented:

Sorry, I have just a bit left on this.

We elected Conservatives last year to replace not only Democrats but RINOs, and the mantra was putting an end to the “way things are done in Washington”. Now the talking heads are slamming the holdouts for being unreasonable and not going along to get along.

With pundits like Karl Rove, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer (who worked for Walter Mondale), etc, who needs the shrill left?

I wish I were a new congressman in the room when Boehner said “get your a$$ in line”
#71 July 29, 2011 at 8:40 am
bg commented:

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it’s time we SACRIFICED & let Obama
do something HE PROMISED to do..

namely,

NOT PASS A HOUSE CUT, CAP, AND BALANCED BUDGET..

ONLY YOU CAN BURY US OR SAVE US HEIR BARRY..

GO AHEAD HUSSEIN, TRY AND FLUSH AMERICA/NS DOWN THE DRAIN!!

/for the red white & blue sarc/

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#72 July 29, 2011 at 8:50 am
bg commented:

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Speaking Clearly #58

[So in other words….the GOP are supposed to let Obama keep
spending, to avert a COLLAPSE….then magically the sky stops
falling….then vote out Obama in the 2012 elections….and then
start reigning in the Budget and Spending when it is up to a 20
Trillion Dollar Deficit.]

yes, i mean, no, COLLAPSE is the plan.. /serious sarc/

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#73 July 29, 2011 at 8:54 am
bg commented:

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re: #72

shovel ready jobs creation..

spend more = collapse faster = bury sooner

/coward driven O’sarc/

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#74 July 29, 2011 at 8:56 am
Gary commented:

Redwine
You’re right about Ann Coulter. It took me a long time to reach that conclusion, though. She has been such a standout conservative in the past. The fact is, she’s just loud and in-your-face to liberals, but that isn’t a testament to how conservative she is, just how strongly she feels about her (moderate) conservative views.

Her big push for Christie has been shameless in recent months. I know she means for it to look that way, but I wonder what her deal is. He has such a record or moderate to RINO statements. But he mouths off at the teachers’ union and suddenly he’s Reagan.

I said it the other day, we have to stop jumping on conservative hero bandwagons like Christie and West. They’re going to let you down every time. The power is in the movement, and the movement, and the movement is the people, not the person.

Before Ann Coulter even spoke last night, I knew she would be in favor of Boehner’s bill. She is like all the other “finger in the air” conservatives, trying to figure out which way it’s going to go in advance and leaping to be out in front of it so she can have her views validated. Can’t blame her. It works for Krauthammer (who worked for Mondale).
#75 July 29, 2011 at 9:03 am
bg commented:

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Gary #74

“The power is in the movement .. and the
movement is the people, not the person.”

Amen!!

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#76 July 29, 2011 at 9:05 am
bg commented:

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re: #75

re” Amen!!

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#78 July 29, 2011 at 9:24 am
Jerry C commented:

@ #62 Roy Beans-Amen.

Hyper. Inflationary. Depression. Great. Depression. 2^.

Revelation 6:5-6
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

It will cost a day’s wages to buy one meal for one person. Got Jesus?
#80 July 29, 2011 at 6:47 pm
bg commented:

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oops:link for #14

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