Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik Blames AZ “Prejudice & Bigotry” for Shooting (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:51 PM
What a jerk.
Pima County AZ Sheriff Clarence Dupnik blamed the “prejudice and vitriol” in Arizona for the shooting today.
For the record: The shooter and the victims were white.
Here was Sheriff Putnik.
“But again I’d just like to say that when you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain people’s mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I believe has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”
What a complete jerk.
Today’s shooting had absolutely nothing to do with racism and bigotry.
This is the same sheriff who vowed not to enforce Arizona’s new immigration law.
Of course, the AP published this partisan sheriff’s comments.
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Mad Hatter commented:
This is the same Sheriff that refused to do his sworn duty.
Pima County, AZ (KTNV) – Some new concerns are being raised about Arizona’s tough new illegal immigration law. Some think it could hurt the state’s economy and one top law enforcement official says the bill is stupid.
The law is sparking heated debates on whether or not what the state of Arizona is doing is right or taking us back to the time of the civil rights movement.
“I think the law, as I have said is unwise. It’s stupid and racist,”‘ said Sheriff of Pima County Clarence Dupnik.
http://www.ktnv.com/story/12394196/pima-county-arizona-sheriff-calls-new-immigration-law-stupid?redirected=true
Arizona, you need to vote this guy out when he’s up for reelection.
Swifty commented:
Is that lack of enforcement of the border from illegal aliens by the federal government where it’s so unsafe the local populace needs to take their own measures to protect themselves?
I heard him say that and I don’t know exactly what he’s trying to get at.
apodoca commented:
Morons to the Left of us!
mek commented:
He doesn’t say racism in that video.
Henry Hawkins commented:
What is lower than co-opting a tragedy to further your own political agenda?
Gman commented:
Of course. He’s a democrat
Tom Langford commented:
People subject to tyranny. People complain, leaders don’t listen. Democrats in power last year declared war on the people. Vitriol is to blame?
Speak Truth commented:
Madhatter — the sheriff did not use the word, “racist” — he said, “prejudice” –either tell the truth or keep quiet
Anthony Mator commented:
America has no shame. The blood is still wet, and the politicians are already using this psychotic massacre to score political points.
The next time a Democrat scolds me for blaming Islamic terrorism on Islam, I will remind him of this moment.
Obvious Hack Is Obvious commented:
They keep saying this is a GOP area, but every elected official, including Sheriff Dupnik, is a Democrat. This guy is a total political hack. He has been making his name opposing the Arizona immigration law. And now he uses murders committed by a leftwing madman to attack free speech and to tar his political opponents. Total hack.
AuntieMadder commented:
Speak Truth commented:
Madhatter — the sheriff did not use the word, “racist” — he said, “prejudice” –either tell the truth or keep quiet
Well, he either used the word “racist” in the KTNV news interview that Madhatter copied and pasted in his/her comment or the KTNV news writer lied. Either learn to read or keep quiet.
Mad Hatter commented:
Speak Truth, where did I say he used the word racist? Point that out to me? Either get your facts straight or keep quiet.
donh commented:
How cruel to come out and condemn the people of Arizona of BIGOTRY when they have just been traumatized. This is twisting the knife . No wonder Sherrif Dipstick is Janet Napolitano’s favorite sargent…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYpADZiv00
greenfairie commented:
First there was Wellstone’s funeral. Now we have Dupnik’s news conference.
Sheesh! commented:
Don’t usually read Daily Kos, but stumbled across this when I was trying to figure out what the heck “Conscience Dreaming” was. Interesting:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2011/1/8/175144/6567
and get this amazon review about the book Conscience Dreaming:
At the time I read this book for the first time – I have particularly appreciate the section that deals with working with nightmares and the simple and true statement that “nightmares are unfinished dreams”. The book provides practical methods that work with “finishing the dreams” and effectively stopping the nightmares – and it works. Sometimes, though, the appearance of a nightmare may call for some active action in one’s daily life, instead of just “finishing the dream” and this book does further provided methods for getting insights into the messages that dreams are attempting to communicate.
This books is a rich resource of techniques and numerous case histories to inspire you not only to explore your dreams but to embark on wild and wonderful advetures, beyond anything you may have thought about before.
http://www.amazon.com/Conscious-Dreaming-Spiritual-Path-Everyday/dp/051788710X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1294539440&sr=1-1
Jack commented:
He is a democrat and against the AZ immigration law. His blaming this on the “vitriol” from talk radio and “some” TV shows is politicizing the tragedy and disgusting. Reading between the lines we all know who he is referring to. This is going to be the mantra of the left and media for a while so be prepared. We are a make believe target and they have us in their crosshairs. They are in danger of lighting a fuse they won’t be able to put out. Compare a Tea Party protest against a left protest any day and see who is inciting violence.
regularguy commented:
And this crap doesn’t just stop with this hack Sheriff:
“During his campaign effort to unseat Giffords in November, Republican challenger Jesse Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle. Kelly is a former Marine who served in Iraq and was pictured on his website in military gear holding his automatic weapon and promoting the event. ”
This swill I just pulled from an Associated Press article just written and released by TERRY TANG, AMANDA LEE MYERS and DAVID ESPO, Associated Press off Drudge, to insinuate that Jesse Kelly somehow as instigating gun violence of this heinous sort. These so-called journalists should should have their credentials burned for this low-grade crap. It’s entirely shameless.
Mad Hatter commented:
Now Communist Jane Fonda is blaming everyone but the gunman.
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/08/jane-fonda-is-nuts/
stealth commented:
while his self described freind lay critically injured in intensive care this caring lunatic liberal
so called sheriff practically blamed the shooting on talk radio and some tv pundits. hmm
wonder if hes talking about msnbc////pretty sure the shooter talked about consciousness and not believing in god. sounds to me like he was a disenfranchised liberal who shot up some of his own people for not being dreamy and liberal enough
Buffalobob commented:
Dupnic is a classic liberal. He also doesn’t see any problem with the Mexico boarder. Please keep him away from the crime scene and the shooters house.
Henry Hawkins commented:
@15 – It’s ‘Conscious’ Dreaming, not Conscience Dreaming (for the benefit of those who might go googling on it).
geniuses commented:
you people are so ridiculous.
Whats shameless is that politicians, radio hosts and television hacks all say things like “put them in your cross hairs” “lock and load” “shoot a fully loaded m-16 rifle.” Then you pretend this kind of rhetoric has nothing to do with the fact that people who oppose conservative values keep getting targeted and attacked. This poor woman was meeting her community, it wasn’t a rally it wasn’t anything, and this person injured and killed over 15 people. Then there was the doctor who performed abortions that was murdered.
Notice how there aren’t progressive, liberal people murdering gun rights activists or people who are anti gay marriage? It’s because the language being used on the 2 sides of the aisle are completely different.
The left calls the right wrong, misguided, even stupid, idiotic or racist. The right says lock and load, put them in your cross hairs, take them out.
Words have power, and it just goes to show (yet again) that the way we discuss politics in this country needs to change. Disagree with eachother, think the other guy is stupid, but that doesn’t mean they deserve to die.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
#19, yeah.
It’s going to be the meme on every single MSM outlet all next MONTH.
They’ll all be on the same page by tomorrow morning.
Marcus Pierce commented:
All you need to be is familiar with history (obviously Sheriff Putnik has very little knowledge of) to know these types of incidents are the result of big government. He is right about one thing: anger toward a big government that refuses to do the will of the people. How about it Sheriff? Let’s reduce the size of government to the point that it only does what our founders set forth, not what you think it should be doing. Maybe you could just shut up and start enforcing immigration law Sheriff. And while you are at it make sure you do your part to lock up or execute everyone involved in this horrific crime.
My prayers are with the Congresswoman Giffords and the rest of the victims.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
“Notice how there aren’t progressive, liberal people murdering gun rights activists or people who are anti gay marriage?”
Are you kidding? Have you any idea the violence perpetrated by the gays and advocated by the gays on this issue? No, you don’t.
God, GP today. It seems like the trolls have opted to use the Cloward-Piven Strategy in their actual posting. Overload the system with an impossible number of idiotic, easily (but time-consumingly) disprovable nonsense and inversions of reality. I could do this all day and night, and the idiotic lies and pure stupidity coming from the trolls just continues.
Cloward-Piven sure gets some milage.
Mac commented:
I was born and raised in Tucson. Clarence Dupnik is not an anomaly and Tucson is a bastion of liberalism. They’ve gone so far as to post signs in parks saying firearms are not allowed. Duh! As if gang bangers and cartel members are gonna behave. I wish I was kidding.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
And, funny how being “anti-government” was ALL THE MOTHERF*&^ING RAGE for the eight whole years of the Bush administration.
It was a moral duty to the lefties to be anti-government.
Now it’s bad, though, and should be dealt with.
In 2012, it will again be the “IN” THING, what gets you invited to lefty orgies.
Contessa61 commented:
…and Pelosi said this was Bush’s fault.
Chisum commented:
The left calls the right wrong, misguided, even stupid, idiotic or racist. The right says lock and load, put them in your cross hairs, take them out.
Words have power, and it just goes to show (yet again) that the way we discuss politics in this country needs to change. Disagree with eachother, think the other guy is stupid, but that doesn’t mean they deserve to die.
Geniuses @ 25,
How do you feel about a politician who tells his supporters :
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”
and
‘ARGUE AND GET IN THEIR FACE’
????????????
Shall we play “Who’s the Genius”?
GLM In Ohio commented:
During his campaign effort to unseat Giffords in November, Republican challenger Jesse Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle…..”
Interesting. I suppose it would have been better if they had shot it with a half-full magazine, or maybe tried to shoot it empty? These media hacks are so pathetic. They will use any phrase or terminology they can think of to make guns seem more menacing. Fully loaded … LOL.
Jack commented:
Hey genius,
Give me a specific example of someone on the right who said anyone from the left deserves to die. OK you can use me as an example. I think the the guy who shot these people deserves to die.
John Smisu commented:
Are you kidding me? I hate to inform you people (especially as a minority myself) but, bigotry and prejudice are not limited to race. That is called RACISM. I think it’s clear –from reading his YouTube– that the shooter had negative feelings toward non-native, non-English speakers. But the issue of hate mongering motivating people on the cusp of breakdown to take that step from self-destruction to public destruction, is not an abstract idea. I’m an immigrant, a minority, and an active Republican, and to me, we are all guilty here. This climate is our fault. We may be able to exercise common sense and restraint, but we should also employ responsibility for those who cannot; if it is our hand that guides these actions, or eyes and ears that turn away until something this severe happens. Because of the anonymity, the safe place that idiotic little message boards like this provide, this will only get worse. Don’t you get it? It’s not about why. It’s about the loss of life, in a public place, a place of implicit security. Civil servants, a child, dead. I love America, it may be the only thing I love. But this kind of discourse, is not us expressing our Constitutional rights, it’s us seeking our own rightness. We are fueling the fire. As long as we argue, and talk about what we believe, and what we think is right, or wrong, we will continue to sidestep into tragedy; we are destined never to move forward.
rbosque commented:
This loser is a career-minded opportunist and liar; no wonder he’s a Democrat.
jimg commented:
Hey Genius?
This sound familiar?
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.
Better get on it.
MochaLite commented:
I know he’s a Democrat and was opposed to the immigration law, but we’ve got to cut him some slack today. He lost a good friend, has another good friend in critical condition, and had to stand over the bodies of four other murdered innocents, including a 9-year-old. It’s no wonder he’s speaking out of pain.
Mad Hatter commented:
#25,
If we are to take what you say to heart, then MTV needs to stop showing rap videos that glorify violence, degrading of women, and very seldom contain over 50 vulgar words in each “song”.
We also better stop the selling of video games, especially Grand Theft Auto that glorifies murdering someone, and making it the cool thing to do.
We also better stop having movies that show the killings of people. Movies like Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction, No Country For Old Men, and then the movie that showed the Assassination of President Bush, Death of a President. But the left called that “art”.
Images have power. Correct?
It all boils down to personal responsibility, something that is absent in your post.
John Lee Pettimoore III commented:
@32 Chisum
You left out “punish our enemies”, uttered by the same politician.
Chisum commented:
Thank you, John Lee.
I’ll bet “genius” doesn’t know who that politician is.
rbosque commented:
Sorry John, we’re not “all guilty”. You sound like a Democrat if you’re naive to fall for that left-wing tripe I have a bridge to sell you. The shooter is a crazed liberal indoctrinated by maniacal conspiracy theories from school and Youtube, nothing else.
geniuses commented:
Regarding the bring a gun to a knife fight, it’s a metaphor. There isn’t a knife fight occurring, he didn’t say go find a knife fight, he didn’t say go start a fight. He said IF they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. If you guys had any sort of decent education you’d understand the difference between that and someone saying “put them in your crosshairs” or “lock and reload.” One is a statement made about a hypothetical situation, the other is instruction.
Mad Hatter commented:
geniuses,
Who left you in charge of what is, and what isn’t a metaphor? Who left you in charge of what is, and what isn’t instructions? Typical Alinsky child, think they know more than anyone else.
geniuses commented:
#39
I appreciate the fact that your post makes real points that are a real part of the discussion that needs to be had.
I agree with you that MTV, movies, television and the media as a whole all have negative messaging many, many times. I agree that people need to be personally responsible, and that parents need to teach their children what is right and wrong.
However, MTV is not run by elected officials, and is not political commentary. Rap songs and violent video games do not instruct people to go out and shoot a fully loaded m-16. No Country For Old Men does not star Bill Clinton or George Bush, Rachel Maddow or Bill O’Reilly.
If the people we look to for leadership whether in government or in the political business as a whole, such as talk show host and radio personalities are the ones spewing the hate, it’s a significantly bigger deal than if Kanye West is being degrading.
John Lee Pettimoore III commented:
I consider them both instructions with metaphorical language. As for a “decent” education, knowledge without wisdom is like a sack of books on the back of mule.
Mad Hatter commented:
One point you leave out, MTV has A LOT of influence over their young viewers. They have an agenda of what is, and what isn’t cool, and sadly, kids believe what they see on TV.
Chisum commented:
geniuses,
Riiiight!
How about “get in their face” and “punish your enemies”? Can’t wait to hear your next explanation for those “metaphors”. Bwahahahaha
Seriously, are you mentally handicapped?
John Lee Pettimoore III commented:
And credentials from an elite university and wisdom do not necessarily arrive at the same time.
geniuses commented:
No person or group gets to determine what is or isnt a metaphor. In what way is “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” not metaphorical, hypothetical, and not instructional?
On the flipside, in what way are “lock and reload” or “put them in your cross hairs” not instructional?
If people would just get a halfway decent education they’d understand the venom and manipulation being spewed all over them.
geniuses commented:
Which part of “get in their face” and “punish your enemies” says murder?
learn to read.
Puggg commented:
Troll 45: Daily Kos had a map with targets, Gabrielle Giffords posed for a photo with a machine gun, and words or ideas don’t have any power on their own — Only people with power or people who can acquire power can (sanely) translate (sane) ideas into reality, which of course is not germane to this suspect in question, because he is not sane.
And I suspect you’ve never listened to any rap music.
I suspect the reason about “negative messaging” is that you’re projecting — You must have such a weak constitution and insecure existence that you can’t avoid “negative messaging” without translating it into malevolent reality, and you assume everyone else is like that.
Henry Hawkins commented:
@#43 Of course it’s a metaphor – to a sane person. Perhaps not to crazy person who is suggestible. Makes no difference though.
What are we supposed to do, outlaw any speech that might possibly in some way impel some nutjob somewhere to go out and kill somebody? Outlawed in movies, TV, radio, print, books, public speech, private speech, etc. That’s the alternative.
Bobbi commented:
My cindolences to Rep Gifford and her family. Looks like she will make it though. Personally, if you look at the killer, Jared Loughner’s video on YouTube, where he dresses as a Muslim sneaking through the desert, and burning the American flag, it seems to me the real target of the assassination was Judge Roll. Even though Roll allowed a trial for the immigrants to sue Roger Barnett fir 32 million, he eventually diissed the notion that illegals have Constitutional rights. MSM is tying to say that Roll got death threats, Frim right wingers, but given the verdict, that’s highly unlikely. Additionally, US Fed Marshall David Gonzalez advised Roll not to press charges.
Hmmmm…
martin commented:
To all of you, may your lives be long and blessed.
Mad Hatter commented:
geniuses,
Just because someone doesn’t agree with you, or how you interpret things doesn’t mean they’re not educated. Please don’t act like you’re educationally superior to people, we get enough of that from the snot nose left in the media.
Sheesh! commented:
Manchurian Candidate? I found some musings about this being a modern day case of MKULTRA. I doubt it, but it’s an interesting to read about none the less.
I will say there are a lot of things that seem fishy about this shooting like the youtube posts, the timing and the manner in which it is being reported. It sure will be interesting to learn what other facts are released.
Here is some information about MKULTRA that is interesting to learn about.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
digitalpic commented:
He inserts his political views into everything. Isn’t he slightly overstepping his job description. He also threw in his thoughts about a couple talk show hosts and a tv broadcast. Hmmmm wonder who he is talking about RL and GB initials maybe?
Chisum commented:
I understand perfectly, genius. If BO says it then it’s a metaphor. If Palin says it then it’s an incitement.
Don’t make assumptions about the level of education of others. You may make an ass of yourself.
Sneering condescension much?
Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas commented:
I think that Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is absolutely right about what he said regarding the hatred and the anger that is being spewed by extremists on talk radio and on television. This is a main reason why I think that No Labels is so badly needed right now:
http://nolabels.org/home/
http://www.facebook.com/NoLabels
Mitch Dworkin, M.Ed.
Dallas, Texas
http://mitchdworkin.com/
Objective Political Research & Analysis
John Lee Pettimoore III commented:
geniuses
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. Albert Einstein
Edouard commented:
#43
Come again? Conservatives “instructed” other conservatives in some public forum to shoot political opponents?
Care to provide just one — JUST ONE — specific and indisputably sourced example of such an “instruction”, “genius”?
Your example had better be a completely unambiguous instruction and not a metaphor, since you are purporting that conservatives don’t use metaphors when using gun-related language.
Also please do bear in mind that some of us have probably had more “education” than you have.
x10 commented:
Edouard your name is Edouard you definitely have no education whatsoever.
x112 commented:
Sarah Palin is a pig with lipstick on her.
Puggg commented:
Objectivist Troll 60: You should sign up first. Maybe then you wouldn’t be hurling “extremists” around vis-a-vis one end of the political spectrum.
Then again, “No Labels,” as Rush rightly (IMHO) states, is nothing more than a scam by several unemployed Democrat strategists to concoct the reality using polls of dubious methodology and quack conclusions disguised as research papers that Michael Bloomberg can actually become President, so that this cons Bloomberg into running and dumping a fraction of his billions on these self-same strategists.
Bloomberg can’t win, because Giuliani is more credible than Bloomy on the national stage, yet his Republican Party candidacy was a joke. So a 3rd Party Bloomy run would be even more of a joke.
x001 commented:
Glen Beck is the devil incarnate
x111 commented:
why would democrats want bloomberg in the race? hed take more votes from obama than which ever crazy pants the repubs nominate
x019 commented:
Obama isnt actually a citizen so this is a stupid thread
Chisum commented:
#60 January 8, 2011 at 9:17 pm (Edit)
Mitch Dworkin – Dallas, Texas commented:
I think that Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is absolutely right about what he said regarding the hatred and the anger that is being spewed by extremists on talk radio and on television. This is a main reason why I think that No Labels is so badly needed right now:
============================================================
Mitch @ #60,
Really? I don’t think Mrs. Clinton agrees with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0
x019 commented:
orly tatz for president!
x019 commented:
clinton has a snook in her snatch!
Edouard commented:
#63 January 8, 2011 at 9:21 pm
x10 commented:
“Edouard your name is Edouard you definitely have no education whatsoever.”
What the hell do you mean by that?
Puggg commented:
67: Bloomy only gets 0.1% of the vote if he actually runs as an Indy. It’s not that he’ll take Obama votes, because he will get very few himself. It’s all a matter of making Bloomy THINK he can win, so that he’ll run and spend money.
x111 commented:
pugg making him think he can win does what exactly for “democratic strategists”
are you assuming he’d only hire libs?
He’d have to be an idiot to not hire karl rove. Or Jeb Bush
x10 commented:
Edouard your name sounds like retard so you cant be smart
CALL MAMA PALIN I SAID A BAD WORD
Sickofants commented:
I cannot wait to hear the response from Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, et al… this incident is not an example of anything other than a freaking moron rampage. Insanity needs no motivation to become violent… It has triggers inherent.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
The day after JFK was shot, his brother and the entire news media said EXACTLY THE SAME THING. It was all about Prejudice, racism, and rightwinger Republicans. All lies, of course, but it worked, and it was arguably the watershed which led the black Americans back into the loving embrace of their former slaveholders.
They know what works. They’ll do it again if they can make it work again.
—
Re: x019
Like I said in another (?) thread. Cloward-Piven as applied to internet forum trolling. Just overload the system.
Chisum commented:
Oh look,
The number troll is the so erudite troll “geniuses”. What do the numbers portray? You age, iq, penis size, number of brain cells?
Wow, you are soooo smart!
Taqiyyotomist commented:
Just ignore those posts, I recommend. This is intentional and seems to be concerted.
x19 commented:
How do black people swinging to support dems mean theyre supporting their former slave owners?
The south is a bastion of the right, not the left.
in case you didnt know it was the confederate army that fought against The greatest president of all time Abe Lincoln who was a republican at the time and said no to slavery. He was from illinois and so is obama so it was meant to be!
valerie commented:
Ok, so what happened today? Why have so many dumbsh!ts decided to open their yaps trying to blame this crime on people who had nothing whatever to do with it?
Has there been a collective stupid pill distributed among the chattering class?
Puggg commented:
74: You mean Karl Roverrated? George W. Bush won two national elections in spite of Roverrated’s advice, not because of his. 2006 proved that Rove can’t strategize his way out of a paper bag. So it would be fine by me if Bloomberg hires him.
77: Until the June before the assassination, black voters and black leaders were fuming at the Kennedys for for not pushing civil rights, calling the Kennedys, esp. JFK, white elitists who came from too much money, the son of a Nazi sympathizer (Joe Sr).
Chisum commented:
Eduourd demanded that ‘geniuses’ back up his rhetoric and since ‘geniuses’ couldn’t do that he morphed into the numbers troll. So tell me genius/x019….is 19 your IQ? Is x01 your penis size?
John Lee Pettimoore III commented:
Actually geniuses is using the wrong terminology. The metaphorical phrase was “reload” meaning start over and try again, not “lock and reload”. “Lock and reload” will not be found anywhere in weapon terminology because it is mechanically backward. Obviously geniuses can read but his comprehension may be a little lacking. Perhaps he needs some remedial education.
Froz commented:
Is this a second amendment remedy?
Taqiyyotomist commented:
x19, etc.
I can’t do it. I can’t go on, trying to answer these de-educated fools, any longer.
My stamina has its limits, when it comes to idiot questions and idiot statements. I wish we could sue the Federal Dept. of Education for what they’ve done to this nation, as evidenced by the completely logicless and truthless comments by folks like this. I cannot undo what has been done to your mind, x19. I give up, and will ignore your posts, and others by folks like you, from here on. You cannot be fixed.
bg commented:
++
anyone watching any of the shows these pe(_o_)ple are making such
outrageous, not to mention unsubstantiated, statements on?? oh wait,
FoxNews.. yeah, i can see the audiences fists flying from here.. not to
mention hear their fits of laughter..
aah, where have all the flowers gone..
==
Slappy commented:
geniuses (#43): “Regarding the bring a gun to a knife fight, it’s a metaphor. There isn’t a knife fight occurring, he didn’t say go find a knife fight, he didn’t say go start a fight. He said IF they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. If you guys had any sort of decent education you’d understand the difference between that and someone saying “put them in your crosshairs” or “lock and reload.” One is a statement made about a hypothetical situation, the other is instruction.”
Is that right? You’re just another arrogant jerk tossing out provably false comments like “If you guys had any sort of decent education,” while acting like your flawed “reasoning” is impeccable. Perhaps if you actually took advantage of “any sort of decent education,” you’d understand how idiotic it is to make sweeping generalizations against others in order to denigrate them and their background simply because they have a different political ideology than you. I’ve taught undergraduates with a superiority complex similar to the one you’re displaying here, but they’re too young to see their ignorance so I understand and excuse it (for now). But what’s your excuse? Are you also in your early twenties? Or do you simply like to toss out mind-numb generalizations to make yourself feel better?
Your laughable rationalization about one comment being a metaphor and one not being one is idiotic beyond belief and makes us all question the quality of your education. Most clear-thinking and unbiased people see both comments as being symbolic, with both sides simply trying to further their agenda. Or are you claiming Palin wanted conservatives to actually go out and shoot the targeted Democrat candidates? Puh-lease. Both political parties have used rhetoric like “put them in your crosshairs” as well as targeting imagery in ads (e.g., see http://tinyurl.com/3y4y3d6). So why do you have to attempt to mislead everyone with your absurd “reasoning” above? Do you not see the ongoing angry rhetoric directed at conservatives by liberals? For example, go to any Left-wing blog or read comments by liberals on political articles on the New York Times Web site. The hatred for conservatives, including the celebrating of their personal and physical struggles (and even wishing them ill will), is easy to see on a regular basis…if you WANT to see it. Here’s one relatively recent one involving a Left-wing Democratic candidate in NH wishing Sarah Palin had died in a plane crash: http://tinyurl.com/2eolhcw. Was this just a “hypothetical situation”? Oh, that’s right, you simply ignore any contrary evidence that is inconvenient to your ignorant point of view and your desire to denigrate conservatives and elevate liberals. What’s it say about your “decent education” that you behave in such an intellectually dishonest way?
Why an individual who is so sure of their moral and intellectual superiority, including a (false) belief in having a superior educational background, would resort to ridiculously sophomoric rationalizations like you’ve done here (i.e., “hypothetical situation” vs. “instruction”) is beyond me. But then again, I’ve come to expect this type of behavior from your ilk.
John Smisu commented:
The fact that you say I “sound like a democrat” is proof of my point. Why do you seek to separate us? We are all Americans. We all have pride in our country, and only want the best for it and us. I’ll concede that, there will never be a time when we agree what that is. However, to degrade this into a finger pointing game, is utterly futile. Also, it’s dangerous to make statements like that in the first place. Do you really think, when the vast majority of pundits and citizens fall into the sphere of only 2 major affiliations, that within said affiliation we would all agree? That is NOT America. The issue is this: When did something so basic and innate as disagreement between people, become something so severe, that we can’t even agree to grieve for the same reasons? That we take something like this, as a rationale for an even more steadfast entrenchment in our battle lines?
Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas commented:
My response to:
#69 January 8, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Chisum commented:
Mitch @ #60,
Really? I don’t think Mrs. Clinton agrees with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0 (0:16)
I completely agree with Hillary Clinton saying in this YouTube video which you referenced that “we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.” However it should be obvious to any sane person that we do NOT debate or disagree with guns and violence! I, along with No Labels, am for debating and disagreeing with any administration in a civilized and serious manner just like how Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill were able to debate, disagree, and compromise with each other back in the 1980′s to the point where there were truly bipartisan bill signing ceremonies at the end of the day:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/27/AR2006012701429.html
When Partisan Venom Didn’t Rule
By David S. Broder
Sunday, January 29, 2006
“House Speaker Thomas “Tip” O’Neill with President Ronald Reagan at a bill signing in 1983. (Barry Thumma – AP)”
This is what No Labels is all about and it is what they are trying to help make happen again right now:
http://nolabels.org/home/
http://www.facebook.com/NoLabels
Mitch Dworkin, M.Ed.
Dallas, Texas
http://mitchdworkin.com/
Objective Political Research & Analysis
Mocon commented:
Has everyone noticed how many libs are on all of the forums today? Seems odd how they all say the same thing too. I guess I didn’t get the memo?
bg commented:
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x19 #80
re: [How do black people swinging to support dems
mean theyre supporting their former slave owners?]
start here, and just keep scrolling & clicking on connecting links, if you run
out of info and cannot research via google on your own, then come back &
i’ll supply some more..
enjoy!!
bonus links:
Black Republicans Now & During
the Reconstruction of America
KKK Lynchings
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bg commented:
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Mitch Dworkin – Dallas, Texas #91
can you please tell me why the left is so venomous??
thanks..
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UpNorth commented:
What a bunch of vitriol on this site. You all just proved the sheriff right.
DomesticGoddess commented:
Hey despicable “Sheriff”: THE REPUBLICAN DIED. Explain how that fits your premise of “partisan politics” getting out of hand: i.e. “The tea baggers and Palin incited this.”
bg commented:
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No Labels
right, uh, left, er, forward!!
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bg commented:
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UpNorth #95
that’s a matter of opinion, namely, yours..
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Disgusted commented:
#16 “Compare a Tea Party protest against a left protest any day and see who is inciting violence” … what the hell are you talking about? Left protest? Are we talking about the 60s with the Black Panthers? Or maybe we’re going farther back in time to Eugene Debs at the turn of the other last Century. OMG! All the violent nut jobs are currently on your side of the aisle and are shooting moose in Alaska & Congresswomen in Arizona.
#25 calls for people in the right’s media machine to be responsible. Your response … attack the messenger.
#16 “They are in danger of lighting a fuse they won’t be able to put out.” The fuse was lit today … and it was NOT by the left. You can all live in your fantasy world of the good guys and bad guys. But look at the facts (I know its hard to really do that)….
While there is no evidence at this point to suggest that the shooting was politically motivated, there was an anti-Giffords event was held in June with the billing: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from… office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”
Rep. Giffords was also on Sarah Palin’s “target list.”
Plus, a gun was dropped at a Giffords event in 2009, and her office was vandalized in March.
Who would want to politically run in opposition against the Right Wing in the future when they are literally gunning for you? Welcome to the New American Fascist Society … when the opposition uses fear to suppress the challenger’s voice… that’s fascism. Plain and simple. The GOP and the hate machine lives on fear. The machine rails against reason, intelligent discourse, and compromise. Obama has been vilified as a “fascist” but its not possible to be on the “left” and a “fascist” at the same time just to be literally correct. “Commie Pinko” … hey, that fits for the left. But the marching brown shirts who will stripe the country of its rights (all in the name of protection and “freedom”) are currently goosing stepping down your aisle. Trust me … I and people like me are not going to let that EVER HAPPEN.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
#16 have you forgotten about the sometimes twice-weekly anti-war protests that were a staple of the Bush years?
zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/
Start there for a rather large clue. These “antiwar” peaceniks were nothing if not violence-prone. Where were you for those 8 years, under a rock?
Slappy commented:
UpNorth (#95): What a bunch of vitriol on this site. You all just proved the sheriff right.
Did we? Thanks for the lecture, Mr. Voice of Reason. We are all so lucky to have this pointed out by such a sanctimonious individual like yourself. You must have missed the real “vitriol” being spouted on various Left-wing blogs today. See, what many of us have seen today is widespread shock and grief by all initially, then the Left — against all the evidence — attempted to depict the suspect as undoubtedly a Right-winger in an attempt to slander all conservatives to gain a political advantage, which understandably has resulted in the push back by the Right later in the day to correct the record. So, to treat the heated rhetoric as either solely on the Right or equal on both sides is absurd. But obviously being someone from the Left, you simply ignore the reality and go right along with the Left’s propaganda. Thanks for your meaningless “observation” and input anyway.
bg commented:
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i respectfully disagree..
the Politicians work for US, not the other way around..
fact is they need to do “what is right” vs compromise :aka: settling on
endless future failures for the sake of their political careers vs “we the
people’s” Republic..
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Taqiyyotomist commented:
99 have you seen the DailyKos article “targetting” this BlueDog in the same election?
Have you seen all the
screw it I’m done with you thickheaded no-minds.
Bill Emerson commented:
Sounds to me like everything he said was the truth. The truth hurts. Glad he had the intestinal fortitude to tell it like it is.
bg commented:
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ooh, looky, what do we have here.. latest influx of distraction by the
numbers action trolls posing as leftists, rightists & forwardists, go fig..
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Bill Emerson commented:
Sounds to me like everything he said was the truth. The truth hurts. Glad he had the intestinal fortitude to tell it like it is.
Disgusted commented:
Wow BG! I never thought about government action and decision-making in that way. No compromise. Zero communication. Holy cow! Just ignore 50% of the country’s opinion. Brilliant! That would be … fascism. Oh right … I did mention that before didn’t I? Right … the goose-stepping-brown-shirts thing!
I may disagree with Taqiyyotomist on many things … but he is right about one thing. “Screw it I’m done with you thickheaded no-minds.”
wanumba commented:
Just wait. The Sheriff will be explaining to CAIR tomorrow what he meant by “the Mecca of prejudice and bigotry.”
DomesticGoddess commented:
Hey “Disgusted” – A REPUBLICAN JUDGE DIED TODAY, NOT A DEM CONGRESSWOMAN. SPLANE WHY THE RIGHT WOULD TAKE OUT A REPUBLICAN JUDGE.
Slappy commented:
Disgusted (#99): “…what the hell are you talking about? Left protest? Are we talking about the 60s with the Black Panthers? Or maybe we’re going farther back in time to Eugene Debs at the turn of the other last Century. OMG! All the violent nut jobs are currently on your side of the aisle and are shooting moose in Alaska & Congresswomen in Arizona.”
Why don’t you go to the Left-wing protests at the next WTO meeting and come back here and report on what you see? Just be careful when the tear gas and billy clubs start flying.
So, let me get this straight. A guy who today was called a Left-wing liberal on Twitter by his acquaintances, supports the burning of the American flag, and is an avowed atheist is on the Right side of the aisle?!? I guess it’s really easy to “win” an argument when you simply ignore the evidence, right?
Disgusted (#99): “While there is no evidence at this point to suggest that the shooting was politically motivated, there was an anti-Giffords event was held in June with the billing: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from… office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.””
Accepting your ridiculous claim, I guess somebody forgot to tell the suspect that it’s over two months after the election, huh? I guess that “cause” of today’s tragic incident is better than the ones in which only two days ago on the Daily Kos a poster named BoyBlue, who had been a loyal supporter of Giffords, wrote that Giffords was “dead” to him. Or that Rep. Giffords went against Left-wing wishes and actually enthusiastically participated in the reading of the U.S. Constitution on the House floor this past week. Take a look at the suspect’s views on the Constitution to see what he probably thought of her doing that.
Disgusted (#99): “Rep. Giffords was also on Sarah Palin’s “target list.””M
And, because she was a Blue Dog Democrat, she was also on the Daily Kos “target lists” in the recent past for not always acting according to the wishes of liberals.
Disgusted (#99): Plus, a gun was dropped at a Giffords event in 2009, and her office was vandalized in March.
What’s that even mean? Why couldn’t liberals upset by her Right-leaning stance on border security, among other issues, be to blame for those incidents? For someone who disingenuously wrote that, “While there is no evidence at this point to suggest that the shooting was politically motivated,” you seem to be acting like you’re pretty sure that today’s tragedy was “politically motivated”…and it’s conservatives’ fault.
Disgusted (#99): Who would want to politically run in opposition against the Right Wing in the future when they are literally gunning for you? Welcome to the New American Fascist Society … when the opposition uses fear to suppress the challenger’s voice… that’s fascism. Plain and simple. The GOP and the hate machine lives on fear. The machine rails against reason, intelligent discourse, and compromise. Obama has been vilified as a “fascist” but its not possible to be on the “left” and a “fascist” at the same time just to be literally correct. “Commie Pinko” … hey, that fits for the left. But the marching brown shirts who will stripe the country of its rights (all in the name of protection and “freedom”) are currently goosing stepping down your aisle. Trust me … I and people like me are not going to let that EVER HAPPEN.
Not taking your medication? Jeez. Talk about an angry rant based on nothing but hate and fear. But you’re not the first liberal to engage in projection. Seriously. Look what you just wrote. It’s all hate and fear AGAINST conservatives, while you’re trying to claim that conservatives are the ones using hate and fear. Unbelievable. Do you not see this? Worst of all, at the end, you included a subtle threat against conservatives. What the hell is wrong with you?
bg commented:
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unbalanced people??
vitriol??
try just about every MSNBC host saying something outrageous every
day, headed by the other King O, not to mention other bias stations..
also not to mention a few Democrats (ie: Grayson),
some of whom are (thankfully) no longer with US..
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bg commented:
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Disgusted #108
how do you get “no communication” out of
no compromising on “doing the right thing”??
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wanumba commented:
#107 January 8, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Bill Emerson commented:
Sounds to me like everything he said was the truth. The truth hurts. Glad he had the intestinal fortitude to tell it like it is.
…………………………………
Arizona’s more multicultural and multilingual than most US states, bar none, been that way for a very long time, too. The kind of red-neck town we have around here that upper class Liberals in their homogenous suburbs mock and sniff at has a thriving after-work sports leagues of Whites, Apaches, Blacks and Hispanics. Half the town, white or otherwise, is employed at the Indian-owned casino on the reservation. Being racist around here doesn’t get anyone very far.
A few hours away, Tuscon is the home of the Univeristy of Arizona behemouth, a sprawling Logan’s Run total lifestyle artifice of Leftist multiculturalist exclusivity. We have more Arizonan Native Indians on our High School and town league teams than they have on any of theirs.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
I wonder, Slappy. Do you think that sometime, Disgusted will eventually reason his way through your impeccable comments, and that he will see his error, and that he will come back on and say “My gosh. I hadn’t considered those points. You’re right! I was wrong, and in error, and I apologize.”
Ever?
Me neither. Other than giving yourself a typing workout, you’re probably wasting your time.
I’m beginning to realize what futility really is, just today.
POT KILLS commented:
Drug test his ass.
Antimedia commented:
#25 geniuses, curious to know how you explain the fact that Jared Loughner was a gay leftist who posted on Daily Kos.
Smashicus commented:
It’s becoming more and more obvious that the people we have to worry about are the ones saying that some speech is dangerous and must be curtailed. These are the fascists, beware!
Slappy commented:
Taqiyyotomist (#115),
Sadly, I think you are correct. We both know it is futile to engage in these online debates, but we also know we can’t let the false and misleading claims of liberals trying to demean ALL conservatives go unchallenged. The whole situation is frustrating, especially when there was no need to try to turn today’s tragedy into a partisan issue, but what are you going to do. It happened with 9/11, too, though that at least didn’t happen for a few weeks. As soon as I saw the news of the shooting, I had a feeling that the debate would turn out this way by the end of today.
Martin Plunkett commented:
Exactly where is the reference to racism in the video? Anyone care to note the exact time where he mentions the term because I certainly couldn’t find it. Of course, all staunch defenders of the precise, educated, intelligent use of the English language (the first language of our nation) would know that prejudice/bigotry and racism are not synonyms. Neither prejudice nor bigotry strictly refer to specifically racial prejudice; the fact that (so far as we know) this is strictly white-on-white crime is irrelevant to the matter at hand. Ironically, prejudice refers to prejudgment or action based on insufficient information; bigotry refers to the unreasoning, intolerant adherence to a particular belief. Thus demonizing a sheriff based on a misconstruction of the language he actually used (again, our proper English language) would certainly qualify as prejudice, and might possibly qualify as bigotry.
Geraldo is vile commented:
Pot heads are the problem.
Allan in Tucson commented:
The shooting was about a mile from my house. Now I’m waiting for the “Impeach Dupnik” movement to jell so I can join in.
#38, Dupnik may be speaking out of pain, but his attitude is nothing new. He and Jon Justice, a local conservative talk show guy, got into it last summer during an interview when Dupnik said his deputies would not be enforcing SB-1070 because he thought the law was racist and didn’t like it!
Larry commented:
This man Clarence Dupnik reminds me about everything that is good and decent in America. What an inspiration to see a man with courage in the face of evil, not afraid to speak the truth. God bless you Sheriff Dupnik you are a light in the world. Thank You
POT did this commented:
Never underestimate the dark side of the pot.
Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas commented:
My response to:
#94 January 8, 2011 at 10:02 pm bg commented:
Mitch Dworkin – Dallas, Texas #91
can you please tell me why the left is so venomous??
thanks..
You asked a very good question! I think that both fringe liberals and fringe conservatives are so venomous mainly because they are going way too far trying to push their respective ideologies. To them, “This is an ideological war” which Ed Schultz admitted last Wednesday on his MSNBC show. I think that they are also venomous for ratings (for their own personal and financial gain) because their venom is the political “red meat” that both the far left wing base and the far right wing base want to hear. Both Ed Schultz on the fringe left and Rush Limbaugh on the fringe right in my opinion are guilty of partisan venom when they referred to people who disagree with them as being “bastards.”
Credible documentation of this (and much more partisan venom coming from both sides) is available upon request at no charge:
http://mitchdworkin.com/contact-me/
No Labels is here to try and put an end to all of this partisan nonsense and I am proud to help them do it with my professional services. No Labels will be the adults and grown-ups in the room who will represent most of the country in our political discourse who are sick and tired of the poisonous venom that is coming from both partisan sides:
http://nolabels.org/home/
http://www.facebook.com/NoLabels
Mitch Dworkin, M.Ed.
Dallas, Texas
http://www.mitchdworkin.com
Objective Political Research & Analysis
vote for pedro commented:
John Smisu commented:
So, is your definition of racism-bigotry and predjudice are not limited to race?
The only thing clear is the dude was insane. His negative feelings had no consistency or focus.
What common sense is there in “employ[ing] responsibility for those who cannot?” No one guided the murderer’s actions. He did it himself. Did you know him? I didn’t. How are we all to blame if he withdrew from society?
I don’t get it, especially the “it’s not about why” statement. If it’s not about “why”, what’s the purpose of your remark.
Agruing(can we substitue the word “debating?), talk[ing] about what we believe/think is right or wrong is somehow not part of expressing our Constituitional right of free speech. How do we ever move forward if we can’t debate why we think our positions/policies are the proper ones? It seems you’re the one sidestepping, i.e., avoiding issues you deem unworthy of discourse. Passionate debate is welcome, violence is not. You’re conflating the two.
The very first thing you did was separate yourself, and I quote, “I’m an immigrant, a minority, and an active Republican”. Why did you feel the need to identify/qualify who you are based on citizenship status, race and political affiliation? It’s one of the classic characteristics of a moby.
Right, because you blamed all of us, well, except the shooter, and I quote you once again, “we should also employ responsibility for those who cannot; if it is our hand that guides these actions, or eyes and ears that turn away until something this severe happens.” And you even have the audacity to finish with the phrase “battle lines”, after chiding everyone about the rhetoric “fueling the fire.” Simply amazing.
vote for pedro commented:
Way to go, Mitch! I especially like the “at no charge” tease, and the “my professional services” that followed. Nice touch! I can hear the, “sell the middle” pitch at all the No Labels meetings. This tragic event must be a bonanza for you. I won’t give you the satisfaction of clicking on the link, but my guess is if you’ve an embedded video—IT’S GONNA GO VIRAL I TELLS YA!!! Keep selling it, Mitch. The rents due!
JPeden commented:
geniuses:
Words have power, and it just goes to show (yet again) that the way we discuss politics in this country needs to change. Disagree with eachother, think the other guy is stupid, but that doesn’t mean they deserve to die.
But before you and your p.c. Progressive groupthinkers get around to telling us which words and numbers you would prohibit “for our own good” because of their alleged naked “power”, you’d best explain to yourselves how you know that you are not being manipulated by yet other “powerful words” which then dictate what you think, say, and do, even about your own choices as to which “powerful words”, etc., to ban.
In other words, yon Progressive geniuses, your mechanistic claim as to how people respond to words refutes any idea that you can determine the “correct” ones, unless all this means is that you and your p.c. cohorts could get yourselves into a position from where you would then force people to make only the “correct” noises.
And I gather y’all geniuses therefore have no idea what the First Amendment means, either – hey, just like that Low-T Ezra Klien metro – because you can’t even comprehend what free thought and speech is, since you don’t have the capacity for it in the first place! Which would also explain the fact that Progressives, as an obvious dead end hominid sub species, appear to be unable to make any progress in thinking logically or scientifically beyond, say, the age of 2; and, likewise, which they never tire of proving so insistently.
Astounded-LOOK AT URSELVES! commented:
These comments serve as evidence of the bigotry Dupnik and others have spoken of.
Can you hear the hate and animosity of each comment listed on this webpage?
Is it really necessary to engage in name calling? Have we lost our ability as Americans to engage in CIVIL discussion? Can we just all agree to disagree?
We as Americans have become so consumed with our own “left” or “right” wing philosophies that we have lost sight on the importance of collaboration in leading this country out of the unfortunate state we’re in.
Rather than participating in unproductive, uncivil discourse, why not make the most of this unspeakable incident and ask ourselves, what can we learn from this unfortunate event?
vote for pedro commented:
Irrelevance factor-10
Mock value-10
Concern level-11(Spinal Tap reference)
Moniker Reality Measurement-10
A truly amazing score considering its brevity![golf clap]
Keith commented:
Because Republicans and the Bush Administration in particular didn’t shamelessly co-opt and exploit 9/11 to their own ends and benefit… you’re kidding, right?
vote for pedro commented:
Pot did this, has had the most persuasive comment so far. C’mon folks, you can do better!
vote for pedro commented:
Irrelevance factor-9
Mock value-9
Concern level-2(I just don’t feel your passion)
Moniker Reality Measurement-1(try something more convincing, like Iknowimright or republicansarenazis)
David J Casper commented:
Maybe Blame Should be placed on Michael Moore for 9/11?
Rappers with abuse lyrics should be blamed for Women’s Abuse?
Blogging should be banned when the Left doesn’t approve?
Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck, never promoted shooting anyone they disagreed with to my knowledge.
Comments from the “Sheriff” make FREE THINKERS wonder about FREEDOM.
Does this guy want to enforce Putin’s Repression or run the U.S. like Venezuela?
Gman commented:
I know most of you are bashing the sheriff, but is it not possible that more reasonalble gun laws (that allow the right to own a gun, but not carry a extended clip 9mm Glock), along with less extreme rhetoric (that does not promote targeting politician, or putting them in your gun sight) would have prevented some of these injuries, and saved the lives of Americans today?
Mapkik commented:
So Mitch you promote no labels. But you call Joe Miller a “Tea Party Kook” so.. that’s a label. And for me to point out the obvious that you are a liar and a hypocrite, are labels to, but factual in nature.
So here is the problems when the left can no longer debate an issue, to pose an intellectual counter, they resort to lies slander and character assassination.
Mitch it is your own words that testify against you, you have attached your own label, I only took the time to read it.
vote for pedro commented:
David, it’s just politics. The November elections were brutal for the dims, and they’re really, really angry. They actually blame Fox New, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Gov. Palin, etc. for losing BIG! It’s can never be their policies/positions, because, darn it—they’re right, period.
The RAICST meme didn’t work, and the CLASS WARFARE didn’t work, so they need something to galvanize their passion. Unfortunately, they’ll try and use this tragedy as a rallying point, which is quite perverse. Republicans trot out their boogeymen as well, and point to random events as a sign of liberal caused ruination. It’s part of American culture, and for better or worse, we just have to accept the fact that one event doesn’t reflect poorly on anyone except the person who committed the act.
bg commented:
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Gman #140
even if you took every sane persons gun away, it would not stop
the insane and/or criminal elements from getting a hold of almost
any weapon they wanted and use it to mow down the unarmed..
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vote for pedro commented:
Criminals don’t obey laws, period! How would your “less extreme rhetoric” work at preventing injuries or saving lives? The guy was insane! He was a loser and a nobody, who wanted recognition. He couldn’t go on American Idol, so he chose to target a public official. You’re looking for a reason for his madness. The reason is he’s f#cking crazy!
Diane Valencen commented:
Mister Hoft Sheriff Dupnik didn’t say anything about race at all. What you are doing is using code to keep your sheep like followers focused on their religious and pseudopatriotic mantras of race culture, guns and religion. How terribly disrespectful in such a tragic time for your nation. People can harbor a prejudice against virtually any aspect of the human condition not only race. Arizona is populated with a number of bigots some are liberal but I would hazard to bet that many more are conservatives who have stereotypical views and simmering hatreds of undocumented immigrants, blacks, lesbians, gay men and those with a liberal or progressive worldview.
Political prejudice exists on both sides Mr Hoft; sadly in current times it is the conservatives who are more willing to succumb to the voices in their head and those coming from Limbaugh and Palin and others and take up arms against a sea of perceived troubles. No amount of evidence about the shooter’s motivation will allow you as a conservative to some portion of the blame for this tragedy as I as a liberal would take some responsibility for the violence by progressives protesting the G-20 summit several years ago. Violence is violence; it must be claimed when it is political and must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms.
vote for pedro commented:
Yet again, Criane shows up to write her typical nonsense. The only political connection to this tragedy is the psycho shot a politician. That’s it. He craved attention(like you do), and could find no other way, in his warped mind, to acheive that recognition, but to gun down a public figure in a public place.
His ramblings were incoherent. He mixed a bunch of terms and phrases together to make it sound like he had an idea/philosophy, but nothing consistent or focused.
You probably have two loving, caring, supportive parents. But when you brought home your first flannel-shirted, militant feminist wearing comfortable shoes, mom and dad couldn’t understand, and may have disapproved of you keeping company with such a person. That didn’t make them bigots or homophobes. Not everyone has an opinion on every issue, or an agenda in mind due to the locale.
Call home, Diane. Your parents miss you.
Chisum commented:
Oh brother. I smell another hit piece coming from the keyboard of the execrable Diane Valencen. Type away hairbag. You lost your credibility with the last hit piece you did.
Elisabeth Rift commented:
I am a Dane and choked by the assassinations i Arizona, Saterday. We don’t understand your had feeling towards your fellow Americans???
Christina Taylor Greene, born sep. 11, 2001, is dead! She was political curious and wanted to hear and see her state’s leader Giffords. How do you imagine Christinas school friends will react to her death? Which kind of political moral will her generation be left with?
Greatings and hope in spite…
From a Danish old woman, Elisabeth Rift
Elisabeth Rift commented:
Sorry, I meant …hard feelings…
vote for pedro commented:
I feel sorry for her parents. She probably gave them the Six Flags Magic Mountain Guilt Rollercoster ride of their lives.
I’ll bet she had at least two older brothers that played sports, most likely football(“Violent ground acquisition games such as football is in fact a crypto-fascist metaphor for nuclear war”). Mommy and Daddy went to every Friday night game, and she felt awkward in comparison. She didn’t like her brother’s friends ogling her horrorshow groodies.
While at college, her classes in Wymyns Studies prepared her for the lifelong fight against the American White Patriarchy™. Her ability to recognize this injustice is remarkably uncanny, as I’m sure her professors have told her.
Dean commented:
FOR YOU DUMBASS LIBERALS, here is the defination of Prejudice: Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.
vote for pedro commented:
Ms. Rift, how did you feel about Theo Van Gogh’s murder? Do you harbor any ill feelings toward the murderer, or the Danish muslim population as a whole? Did you all collectively agree with each other, or was there animosity between Danes regarding your country’s immigration policy? What does the future hold for the next generation of Danes regarding the senseless death of Theo Van Gogh?
Elisabeth Rift commented:
“We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list,” Ms. Giffords said last March. “But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve got to realize there’s consequences to that.”
From New York Times, 9 Jan. 2011.
Mrs. Giffords is a brave woman, and I do hope she will recover!
Elisabeth Rift, Denmark
ps. You Americans can do it better – if you decide.
Dean commented:
ABE LINCOLN IS FROM KENTUCKY NOT ILLINOIS READ HIS BIOGRAPHY AND OBAMA IS NOT FROM ILLINOIS EITHER, HE IS FROM KENYA
vote for pedro commented:
We already have—it’s called the death penalty. Hopefully, the Arizonans will decide to use it in this case.
Elisabeth Rift commented:
Dear Pedro! The murder of Theo Van Gogh happend in Holland, I live in Denmark – you may know the country which have a news paper that printed the catoons of Muhammad.
In Denmark we do have a polarized situation due to our immigrants – you have too.
We have had no killings, no harassments of any sort – but we are only 6 mill. inhabitants.
Elisabeth Rift
Diane Valencen commented:
This isn’t about me. It’s about a current running through a segment of America’s population. The people least equipped to process information because of their preconceived notions about a wide range of issues are being manipulated by their love of guns and religion and the weakest minded among them are acting out violently. This is a tragedy and relying on closely held beliefs to make this not about the vitriol being blared at you daily is just plain crazy. One of your own here ends every post “Keep your powder dry.” Why is that? Is the threat of gun violence all that the Right has left other than Sarah Palin? You are, white conservatives, on hard times I understand with gay rights on the march, a burgeoning Latino and black middle class on the cusp of a youthful majority in a few decades and your unskilled rural and exurban millions taking the hardest economic hit they’ve felt since the Great Depression. But is violence and violent speech mingled with politics really the answer?
Chisum commented:
See, I told you Diane Valencen was execrable.
Why don’t you head back to your satanic website and pound out another inaccurate diatribe. Leave the discussions to the adults.
Diane Valencen commented:
Dean you took the conservative way looking for an answer that fits your worldview. Priceless. The full definition of the word prejudice from Merriam Webster isn’t simply about race at all:
Definition of PREJUDICE
1: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one’s rights; especially : detriment to one’s legal rights or claims
2a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
This should add some clarity even as you resort to ad hominem in your rebuttal.
Chisum commented:
Pedro, did you see the comments I linked to yesterday for Byzibody Bob? There is something seriously weird about that guy.
Diane Valencen commented:
Chisum why don’t you try to see the error of your ways? I’m evil? To be detested? Really? Is it because I merely disagree with you politically and socially or is there something deeper in your sack of bigotry? What I write is what I see. If you can’t be honest enough to realize that your are a dying species well I’m sorry I can’t help you.
Chisum commented:
Diane,
You can’t help others unless and until you help yourself.
You can start by becoming at the very least a two-dimensional person. Your world view is stunted. You speak in sweeping generalizations and with sneering condescension. Every one of your statements begin with an assumption. Always an incorrect assumption.
It is imposible to carry on a conversation with you because I have to continually correct your assumptions before responding to you. Do you realize how tiresome that becomes?
You see everything through the prism of race. Why? Or sexuality. Again…why?
I’m truly sorry for you. But I still find you execrable because you enjoy smearing people.
vote for pedro commented:
This isn’t about me.
It’s always about you, Diane. You are your cause/agenda. It’s indistinguishable. It permeates through every word that you write.
Violence has been a part of mankind(sorry about not using a more gender neutral term) since the beginning of our existence. Politics is just another excuse for this nutjobs bad behavior. The fact that you can divine all this meaning about the socio-economical state of America by one event of a disturbed individual, is an indication that your emotions control your thought process.
vote for pedro commented:
Yeah, that was the thread with Proud American regarding the START treaty. Yesterday I told him that I hoped there was no need to read the employee manual to his co-workers when he mentioned he had to leave to get to his job. I’m sure he has his checklist: paper hat, company shirt, name tag, etc.
Chisum commented:
Pedro,
I saw your comment. Too true. But there is something wrong with him. Those comments were weird.
Diane Valencen commented:
Chisum I see America for what it is. September 11th 2001 was defining moment for many conservatives. The anthrax letters which everyone was certain was al Qaeda inspired turned out to be sent by a disgruntled researcher from Fort Detrick. I understand your fear because the country your parents were born in is gone. That unearned privilege you once had has been replaced by federal laws that no longer allow you to push others aside as you climb the ladder of success. And yet you have more rights and more opportunities than your parents ever had.
You can pretend to be so intelligent that you cannot possibly carry on a conversation with me and that’s fine. What I would ask you is to turn away from the love of guns and the fallacy of man based religion and reach out to a little Reason just this once and maybe you’ll see your world with a new clarity. I don’t care what you think of me I’ll be fine and this isn’t about me what I care about is America the only nation that can send the entire planet economically and militarily to Davy Jones’ Locker.
vote for pedro commented:
Chisum,
Probably stands too close to the deep fryer at work.
vote for pedro commented:
I have to admit, Diane, you’ve made me curious. What federal laws are you referring to? Why do you think Chisum has received preferential treatment, and not ascended through hard work and perserverance? Do you believe you have risen on your own merits, or have been prevented from attaining your goals through discriminatory acts of others?
Chisum commented:
Diane Valencen,
To my point:
Your use of assumptions:
My parents were born in this country.
That I am or consider myself privileged.
My successes were unearned.
I pushed others aside in order to achieve success.
I love guns.
This is very tiresome for me. It shows that you are not nearly as intelligent as you believe. It proves that you are emotionally stunted. It also highlights how intellectually dishonest you are, particularly with yourself.
See. I haven’t even begun rebutting your points and already I am bored with you.
All of these character flaws are nothing as compared with the sheer nastiness you exhibit toward others all the while you express your faux concern for mankind. But only certain members of mankind.
Again, I pity you.
Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas commented:
My response to:
#132 January 9, 2011 at 1:51 am
vote for pedro commented:
“This tragic event must be a bonanza for you.”
Take a look at my comments #60 and #91, this event is a complete tragedy to me!
I said in #60 that “I think that Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is absolutely right about what he said regarding the hatred and the anger that is being spewed by extremists on talk radio and on television” and I also said in #91 that “it should be obvious to any sane person that we do NOT debate or disagree with guns and violence! I, along with No Labels, am for debating and disagreeing with any administration in a civilized and serious manner just like how Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill were able to debate, disagree, and compromise with each other back in the 1980′s to the point where there were truly bipartisan bill signing ceremonies at the end of the day:”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/27/AR2006012701429.html
When Partisan Venom Didn’t Rule
By David S. Broder
Sunday, January 29, 2006
“House Speaker Thomas “Tip” O’Neill with President Ronald Reagan at a bill signing in 1983. (Barry Thumma – AP)”
This is what No Labels is really all about and it is what I am trying to help them make happen again right now:
http://nolabels.org/home/
http://www.facebook.com/NoLabels
Just like how you (and many other people) would donate your time and services to a cause that you think you think is worthy of your support, why cannot I do the same thing with No Labels whose message I think is worthy of my support? The bipartisan message of No Labels would definitely help to avoid tragic events like this in my opinion!
Mitch Dworkin, M.Ed.
Dallas, Texas
http://mitchdworkin.com/
Objective Political Research & Analysis
vote for pedro commented:
Chisum,
She only has one boilerplate list from which to choose. If you don’t fit into her delusional construct, her arguments crumble. Her thoughts are doctrinaire, no amount of reasoning can be allowed into her closed mind—it is verboten! None shal pass!!!
Chisum commented:
Pedro,
It’s really rather sad. What a waste.
vote for pedro commented:
Mitch, the guy was bonkers! There’s nothing you or I could’ve done to stop him from committing this act. He withdrew from society. How were you going to reach him? Did you have the frequency his brain was tuned in to?What if he was wearing his AFDB? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar(unless you’re Bill Clinton).
Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas commented:
Re #174: “Mitch, the guy was bonkers! There’s nothing you or I could’ve done to stop him from committing this act.”
You may be right about that but it is very clear to me that the less references there are to guns and violence and the less hatred and name calling that there is in our political discourse, then the less chances there should be of more tragic events like this happening in the future. That is only common sense in my opinion!
Mitch Dworkin, M.Ed.
Dallas, Texas
http://mitchdworkin.com/
Objective Political Research & Analysis
Elisabeth Rift commented:
No man is an island – bonkers included!
Elisabeth Rift, DK
vote for pedro commented:
Mitch, references to guns, violence, hatred and name calling are not limited to politics. It’s part of our culture, all of it. If you feel the way you do, are you willing to call for the President and congressmen to refrain from demonizing oil company, wall street, and other busness leaders as greedy and selfish fatcats? Do you feel that union officials should bus crowds of their rank and file to business executive’s homes to terrify their families? Are you willing to denounce the President when he says greedy doctors are amputating limbs or extracting tonsils needlessly for profit?
For a nominal fee, I’m sure you can stoke fear in the meaty 60% middle, and persuade them that their concern should be the 20% fringe on either side. I don’t possess the hubris in thinking I can change a disturbed mind, as I’m not a professional in the field of psychiatry. My guess is you’ll avoid answering the questions I posed above, and provide yet another litany of milquetoast semantics.
The guy was mentally ill, nothing more, nothing less!
vote for pedro commented:
So what is your solution? Jail Sarah Palin? Her book wasn’t on his list? There’s no evidence Sarah Palin was anyway involved in Ms. Giffords death? David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam Killer, claimed his neighbor’s dog told him to murder. Should the neighbor’s dog have been put to sleep. I don’t see a remedy in you remarks.
Arizona has a solution, as I said before, hopefully they’ll use it.
GrayRider commented:
Have you seen the shooter’s favorite video on his YouTube account titled: “America: Your Last Memory in a Terrorist Country”? It looks to be self produced. It’s hardly the work of a Tea Partier or Conservative. Here it is if you can stomach it:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw
wanumba commented:
#167 January 9, 2011 at 5:53 am
Diane Valencen commented:
Chisum I see America for what it is. September 11th 2001 was defining moment for many conservatives. The anthrax letters which everyone was certain was al Qaeda inspired turned out to be sent by a disgruntled researcher from Fort Detrick.
…..
Who was exonerated. Next.
Militant Conservative commented:
#175 January 9, 2011 at 7:17 am
Mitch Dworkin – Dallas, Texas commented:
DUNCE. go to the crime statistics from the BATFE.
More guns sold last year than prior years and crime and murders have gone down. GEE, tis is after the `1994 gun ban sunsetted. HMMMMMM.
MORE GUNES = LESS CRIME.
Too bad more people don’t rely on themselves (carry a firearm) instead they rely on the cops or a stranger to get thier sorry butts out of trouble. I’m self reliant. powder is dry.
Conservative Mom commented:
MadHatter, liked your comments about video games and rap “music.” You are right on in my humble opinion. The friggin’ too big government should put a ban on this type of stuff instead of going after talk radio, the right to own a gun and whatever freedom this Obama administration is doing it’s best to take from us.
And no, Dupnik had no right to air his political views no matter how angry he was. That was not the forum to denigrate Arizona and free speech because of some mentally ill young man.
Ed Stewart commented:
Arizona suffered two terrible tragedies yesterday. The first, of course, was the shooting of Congresswoman Giffords and other fine citizens of that State. The second tragedy was a stupid, biased, past-his-prime sheriff intimating that radio (obviously talk radio) could have been responsible for this tragedy. He further insulted most Americans by stating the attitudes of people who listen to these terrible radio programs are attempting to tear down the government and the country. Well, sir, as a conservative who believes the only vehicle I have for hearing the truth is talk radio, I am insulted by your accusation. Every conservative peer of mine that I know is attempting to save this country by limiting government’s influence over virtually every aspect of our lives.
Militant Conservative commented:
#171 January 9, 2011 at 6:30 am
Mitch Dworkin – Dallas, Texas commented:
Compromise is when you do not have the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing. The LOONY LEFT got us to the point we are now. The REPUBLICAN’s that just got into office got there due to America seeing for the first time the Affirmative action president for what WE HERE knew him to be. A SOCIALIST.
NO LABLES is just the recent incarnation of the socialist left trying to hide again. NOPE labels are good and accurate. This is more of the same PC bull. Trying to manipulate the conversation by censorship of OUR RIGHT to speak. Sorry, words mean things, I say what I wish especially if it is the truth. Liberals however have to lie about thier agenda for common sense tells you thier ideas just don’t work.
powder is dry
Antimedia commented:
Diane Valencen commented:
“What I write is what I see.”
Then she wrote this:
“No amount of evidence about the shooter’s motivation will allow you as a conservative to some portion of the blame for this tragedy as I as a liberal would take some responsibility for the violence by progressives protesting the G-20 summit several years ago. Violence is violence; it must be claimed when it is political and must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms.”
Diane, IF there was a political motive to Jared’s rampage, he articulated it on his diary at Daily Kos where he wrote that Congresswoman Giffords was “dead” to him just two days before he attempted to kill her. Jared was a far left gay man who couldn’t handle the fact that Giffords voted against making Nancy Pelosi the minority leader.
So, given your statements above, will you assume responsibility for his crime as you claim that you would for the G-20 summit? Or is what you see and write about only those things that already agree with your worldview?
BTW, every leader on both sides of the aisle has condemned Jared’s actions, including the Tea Party and the Tea Party Express leadership.
So what do you see, Diane? Because you are clearly missing some of the picture.
Antimedia commented:
Mitch Dworkin – Dallas, Texas commented:
“You may be right about that but it is very clear to me that the less references there are to guns and violence and the less hatred and name calling that there is in our political discourse, then the less chances there should be of more tragic events like this happening in the future. That is only common sense in my opinion!”
You are entitled to your opinion, but how does it explain all the assassins over the years? Sirhan Sirhan, Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, John Wilkes Boothe, Charles J. Guiteau and Leon Frank Czolgosz? All these men were political assassins (just as Jared Loughner is) and all killed because they violently disagreed with the views of the individual they shot.
All likely had pathologies that drove them to kill, what we would call today mental illness.
Do you really think that if we simply stopped talking about guns and violence and expressing hatred and name calling in our discourse that anything would have changed? Are you at all familiar with the vitriol that was heaped on George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and John Adams by those who disagreed with them? Yet no one tried to assassinate them. How does your theory explain that?
vote for pedro commented:
Folks, for a nominal fee, Mitch will tell you his politically reasonable views. If you act now, he’ll include his gun-free, violentless, eco-friendly, non-partisan, pan-tolerant newsletter. His milquetoast semantics are sure to enhance your circadian rhythm, help you lose body fat, improve your sex life, and give you fresh breath. If ordered in the next ten minutes you’ll get his Sell the Middle brochure on political ambiguity. Void where prohibited—sorry South Carolina!
Chisum commented:
Pedro,
Dang, that was AWESOME!
I particularly liked the SC touch at the end.
LMAO
Ronda commented:
Megan was just interviewing the Sheriff and she asked him if he had proof to back up his statement, blaming the Tea Party and Sarah Palin, and he said NO HE NO PROOF THIS WAS HIS OPINION AND MEGAN CONFRONTED HIM ASKING HIM IF AS SHERIFF SHOULD HE BE EXPRESSING HIS OPINION INSTEAD OF REPORTIN THE FACTS OF EVIDENCE.
THIS MAN MUST GO.
HE SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. The words that this man has said is pathetic and sick. As Sheriff his job is to investigate the case and report the facts but that is not what this man is doing.
Megan called him out and showed him more respect than he deserved. This man is WRONG for doing this. Question is WHY???? Why would this man do this? During the interview he talked about the political state of this country back in the 60′s. This man is sick and he should no longer wear the badge because he is using the people that put him in office at a time that they need a leader and not a HATEFUL, PATHETIC EXCUSE OF A MAN.
Ronda commented:
Larry, you might want to hold off on your love fest for the Sheriff. He just admitted on national tv that his comments aren’t based on facts. His comments are based on his opinion so if you want to admire a man who is campaigning while the citizens of his district are dying and suffering the ultimate loss.
I hope all of the liberal, Obama loving networks have the guts to apologize to the tea party and Sarah Palin for taking the words of this man as reporting the facts but instead is spewing his political views. What kind of man does this?
JPeden commented:
#136 January 9, 2011 at 2:33 am
Keith commented:
Because Republicans and the Bush Administration in particular didn’t shamelessly co-opt and exploit 9/11 to their own ends and benefit… you’re kidding, right?
What a riot, Keith! “et tu quoque” = You’ve just admitted, but still have only tried to justify, the fact that the Proggs, enc., are working frenetically to shamelessly pin this delusion-driven murder on the tea-partiers for their own ends and benefit, simply by claiming that Bush also did the same abjectly evil thing! Get it?
You’ve confessed to the admittedly disgusting Progg m.o., ~”as evil as Bush’s”, while actually not proving anything validly evil about Bush’s response in regard to the Muslim Islamofascist attack, except via your own delusional projection above!
Or maybe you can tell everyone where Bush put the oil you projecting Proggs say he was after for himself? And where Bush’s “Dictatorship” went?
Wise up, Keith, you are talking about Bush as though you think he is you! Then take a look at Obama. He’s where your “Bush” went.
Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas commented:
My response to:
#178 January 9, 2011 at 8:26 am
vote for pedro commented:
“If you feel the way you do, are you willing to call for the President and congressmen to refrain from demonizing oil company, wall street, and other business leaders as greedy and selfish fat cats? Do you feel that union officials should bus crowds of their rank and file to business executive’s homes to terrify their families? Are you willing to denounce the President when he says greedy doctors are amputating limbs or extracting tonsils needlessly for profit?… My guess is you’ll avoid answering the questions I posed above, and provide yet another litany of milquetoast semantics.”
I do not avoid answering questions. I am all for honest debate, disagreement, and hopefully eventual compromises on controversial issues. The President and congressmen demonizing an oil company (especially BP), Wall Street, and other business leaders as greedy and selfish fat cats are not calling for them to be shot or for violence to be done to them. As far as I am aware of, no sitting President or sitting members of Congress in both parties have ever called for using “Second Amendment Remedies” if they do not like the political decisions that are made (although I would be very interesting in hearing what Rep. Michele Bachmann’s definition of an “orderly revolution” is which is what she said to Sean Hannity at about 2 minutes into this YouTube video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGn1ruk7Xcs
(PT. 2/2) Michele Bachmann: “We’re at the Point of Revolution…an Orderly Revolution” (8:57)
Addicted2News | March 26, 2009
“(3/25/09) Bachmann notes during Hannity interview”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGn1ruk7Xcs
So YES, I am willing to condemn ANY threatening language and behavior that is coming from ANYBODY regardless of who they are. I do NOT believe in any kind of vigilantism from any person for any cause, period. Every issue in my opinion has to be dealt with in a lawful manner (such as going to the police or to the courts to settle disputes and by voting for candidates at the ballot box who agree with what you want to do). That is where I draw the line. If you quote me any violent rhetoric coming from Obama or from any Democrat, then I will immediately condemn it. I will also apply the exact same standard to any Republicans who do the same thing. I call it right down the middle how I really see it just like how a truly honest baseball umpire will do regardless of which team is up at bat!
Mitch Dworkin, M.Ed.
Dallas, Texas
http://mitchdworkin.com/
Objective Political Research & Analysis
http://nolabels.org/home/
http://www.facebook.com/NoLabels
Antimedia commented:
Um Mitch – did you condemn this?
‘ “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said.’
And so apparently you don’t mind name calling after all, so long as there is no violent rhetoric attached to it.
JPeden commented:
#158 January 9, 2011 at 5:19 am
Diane Valencen commented:
This isn’t about me. It’s about a current running through a segment of America’s population. The people least equipped to process information because of their preconceived notions about a wide range of issues are being manipulated by their love of guns and religion and the weakest minded among them are acting out violently.
[h/t Barack Obama!]
What old and dried out fantasyland drivel, Dianne! And it is about you, because you’ve just postulated, or probably only mouthed, a mechanism about how words work – about how people understand words and create thoughts, perhaps leading to actions – which can be easily applied to you, since you are the one who claims to know that this is how words work! Therefore, this mechanism or schema must apply to you, too!
After all, Diane, above you are merely parrotting Barack Obama’s own absurd confabulations as to how to explain and deal with the “bitter clingers”, enough of whom I know quite well according to Obama’s demographic definition, but who don’t act anything like Obama’s arrogant and vile claims postulate, especially as compared to Obama himself! He’s obviously the one with the problems, not the people I know!
Some people might even call Obama’s convenient fantasizing, gross epistemic closure, and even a delusional excape from reality. [But what else is new about Progressivism's latte' Communism?]
So, Dianne, exactly how do you know that it is not instead you who has the delusional “preconceived notions” fed to you, say, by a groupist and controllist Progressive machine, which then manipulate you propagandistically toward the violent acts necessary to achieve speech and thought control – which would obviously also involve the control of everyone’s acts – so that they would be the “correct” ones? [For example, so as to achieve "equality" and "justice" according to the other "correct" words and conditions.]
Dianne, by this time there is only one reason left which explains why you “choose”, or always only gravitate toward, thought control over free thought and America’s Constitution: you simply don’t have the capacity for free thought nor the desire for Liberthy; therefore, you must support the obvious regressive “throw back” system, Totalitarianism.
Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas commented:
My response to:
#196 January 9, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Antimedia commented:
Um Mitch – did you condemn this?
‘ “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said.’
The answer is YES, I do condemn it!
I will also condemn any other examples like this whether it is from a Democrat or whether it is from a Republican (such as Sharron Angle’s “Second Amendment Remedies”). I will always condemn ANY threatening language and behavior that is coming from ANYBODY regardless of who they are and regardless of their party affiliation. I do NOT believe in any kind of vigilantism from any person for any cause, period!
Mitch Dworkin, M.Ed.
Dallas, Texas
http://mitchdworkin.com/
Objective Political Research & Analysis
http://nolabels.org/home/
http://www.facebook.com/NoLabels
vote for pedro commented:
Typical! Isn’t the whole point that if the President, or any political leader for that matter, begins demonizing his idealogical adversaries, that the rhetoric escalates, and eventually someone is hurt. Your child wasn’t in the house alone with the rent-a-mob SEIU members outside, so meh, no harm no foul. The President doesn’t need to call for anyone to be harmed, he has people to do that for him. Do you actually know any doctors who’ve amputated feet, or extacted tonsils for profit? Of course not, these are strawman arguments, but you know that already. That’s how the game is played.
I’d link to Legal Insurrection for the extensive list of irresponsible statements by your political brethren, but I know you’ve already read them. Mitch, we pretty much know where you’re coming from based on you political affiliations of the past, and the examples you selectively given above.
You couldn’t bring yourself to criticize a democrat because you might need a job in the future, right? Your only interests are money and furthering your political career. Gotta keep them options open, right Mitch? Hey, it’s only logical. You can’t help anyone if you’re irrelevant. Your intention is clear—pay me!
My guess is, come election season, you’ll be trying to hitch your wagon to the next rising democratic star. And you’re in luck, it’s only a couple of months away. And better yet, it’s a presidential election year. You’ll quitely resign, and if asked, No Labels wasn’t heading in the right direction or some nonsense.
Got any “No Label” coffee mugs, ball caps, or better yet, hemp t-shirts. I hear all the college kids are wearing them.
Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas commented:
My response to:
#200 January 10, 2011 at 4:33 am
vote for pedro commented:
“You couldn’t bring yourself to criticize a democrat because you might need a job in the future, right? Your only interests are money and furthering your political career. Gotta keep them options open, right Mitch? Hey, it’s only logical. You can’t help anyone if you’re irrelevant. Your intention is clear—pay me!”
You need to do your homework before you make such totally false accusations about me. I am one of the most serious and credible Obama critics who you will ever find (if you had ever bothered to look at my website, then you would have found this out):
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/18932
The roots of Obama’s problems, 1: He can’t win the message war in an even fight
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on September 26, 2010 – 2:22am
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/18933
The roots of Obama’s problems, 2: He is seen by many as being a weak leader
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on September 26, 2010 – 6:23am.
I also used my professional services to try and help Sharron Angle defeat Harry Reid. I did this 23 minute Podcast interview with Craig Edwards of conservative Solid Principles website explaining and credibly documenting that I wanted Harry Reid to lose because he lied to the country and he intentionally played the race card by secretly trying to rig the 2008 Democratic primary in Obama’s favor from behind the scenes:
http://www.solidprinciples.com/index.php/podcast/episode-34/
Solid Principles Podcast: Episode 34
“Not So Wild About Harry: We speak to Political Analyst Mitch Dworkin on Sen. Harry Reid, and his overlooked involvement in the 2008 Democratic Presidential Nomination of then Senator Barack Obama.”
I even talked with Ted Angle (Sharron’s husband) and Angle’s Deputy Campaign Manager Jordan Gehrke and told them how they could have won but they did not listen. Once you listen to my Podcast interview, then you will see that there would probably have been a 98% chance or better than Harry Reid would have lost his race. And I did all of this work for free because I adhere to a strong code of honesty and ethics!
I have also exposed and credibly documented more pro-Obama media bias from the liberal media than most other political analysts have:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15744
VIDEO: Dan Abrams asked about Hillary’s primary loss “Is it the media’s fault?”
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 9, 2008 – 5:58pm.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15744#comment-309677
There is NO question in my opinion of anti-Hillary media bias…
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on June 9, 2008 – 6:07pm.
And yes, I will criticize the fringe right when I think they are wrong:
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/18935
Unless stopped, the tea party could take over the GOP now & the country in 2012!
Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on September 30, 2010 – 1:45pm.
As I said, I call it right down the middle how I really see it just like how a truly honest baseball umpire will do regardless of which team is up at bat. So please do your homework before you formally accuse people of outright lies!
Mitch Dworkin, M.Ed.
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MR. A commented:
MY DEEPEST PRAYERS TO THE VICTUMS FAMILIES -its imposible to think or even immagine what pain they are going through only if you have been there….. now will the stupid opportunist morons get off the band wagon to get attention for their benefits for example the sheriff who made un- factual comments the police is suppose to stick to the facts only not incorporate their stupid and moron believes, in an investigation – is this the type of cop we have in our country representing law inforcement this moron should be fired no questions asked, poor citizens of arizona ,real high iq? we are in very big danger, SOMETIMES ITS BETTER TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUTT SO PEOPLE WILL NOT CONFIRME YOUR AN IDIOT SHERIFF,. WAKE UP AMERICA , and the politician from ( ill ) that now wants to introduce a proposal to limit expressions of speech and signs …. and naturally some news jurnalist that made outrageous coments ….. get your heads out of your ( you know what ). AND GET BACK TO WORK
THAT ,S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PAY YOU FOR- TO WORK NOT TO WASTE TIME.
( HOW CONVIENIENT WE SWAY THE ATTENTION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO THIS INCIDENT SO WE WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES OF OUR COUNTRY IN WASHINGTON – UNEMPLOYMENT – OBAMA CARE – THE ECONOMY – AND MENY OTHER FRAUDULENT BILLS THEY PASS UNDER OUR NOSES WHEN WE LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
REPUBLICANS BE WARE DONT FALL YOUR ATTENTION FROM WHAT WE VOTED YOU TO DO IN OFFICE OR THE SAME PEOPLE WILL TAKE YOU OUT OF THE GAME JUST AS WE PUT YOU IN @ THIS TIME )
REMEMBER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE KEEPING SCORE DONT – F%%)%$%$ UP
OR DO ASIMULATION OF WORK – THAT DOESNT WORK ANYMORE.
DW commented:
Arizona’s Pima Country Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said during a press conference,”…this is not the nice United States that we grew up with” ….and went on to blame politics for this unspeakable event. Immediately following the media on the left started politicizing this matter and say conservatives are basically accessories to a crime! Exploiting this left narrative is Sheriff Dupnik – who, born in 1936 and a veteran of over 50 years in local law enforcement would think he could recognize a violent senseless act. He must have slept through WWII to the assassinations of JFK to attempts on Pres. Reagan and so on. In Sheriff Dupnik’s own backyard South Tucson has higher crime rate than those of Camden, New Jersey, which is the United States’s most dangerous city on Morgan Quitno’s statistics. South Tucson (as a standalone city) has more than four times the United States average in larceny theft and aggravated assault. The Sherriff has the nerve to say this incredible tragedy is somehow politically motivated! Where is his responsibility in this matter? What part of the “nice” United States did he grow up in? There are insane people and countless tragedies that have occurred in his lifetime alone. You would think after 50 years in law enforcement he could recognize a mentally unstable, crazy idiot when he sees one. Apparently he hasn’t looked in the mirror lately.
vote for pedro commented:
You skipped right past the meat of my comment. Just can’t manage to type it in a comment section. Simply amazing. I r digital troglodyte. Me like sloganeering and easy to understand bumpersticker to decorate pickup truck and cover rust spots.
So your choice was Hillary, and I think she would have made a better president than B+arry. Can’t get over the race card being played on your campaign? It was truly a sight to behold. You always run the risk of falling out of favor when identity politics are employed. B+arry’s race trumped Hillary’s gender. Hubris has a way of catching up to a person who feels entitled to something they think they’ve earned. BTW, I don’t see a nanometer’s difference between Hillary and B+arry in their POV, so meh.
Politics hasn’t become any more coarse since its inception, and you know it. It’s always been this way, and it will remain so. Ever hear of Eric Burns? I know you have. He covered this exact topic in Infamous Scribblers: The Founding Fathers and the Rowdy Beginnings of American Journalism. The only difference between now and in the past is a twenty-four hour news cycle, texting and the internet. This technology has provided an opportunity for anyone to share their opinion(s) in real-time. But the one caveat is that pesky digital footprint. The one you chose to avoid in this blog comment section.
Sell the middle, Mitch, because, as Willie Sutton said, “That’s where the money’s at!” Good luck with your endeavors. I’m sure your efforts will help a worthy Democrat beat…er, whip…er, defeat doesn’t connote violent imagery…so defeat it is…those crazies in the Tea Party. You’ll have saved this nation!!![Hail to the chief plays in the background]
stealth commented:
knock knock………whos there?——–uh crazyliberal crazy liberal who?
crazyliberal who got shot in knee by another crazy liberal in tuscon then
goes to mental hospital for threatening to kill tea party activist. lol