Foleygate: Page Problems
** Problem 1:
Passionate America releases the identity of the Former Page IM’er and we later find out that…
Via Drudge– The Page was 18 when the dirty instant messages were being passed. Creepy but not illegal.
Why didn’t ABC check this out?
Actually – He was 17 for a month and then 18. Not, as Michelle Malkin notes, what we were made to believe.
** Problem 2:
Strata Sphere reported tonight on an interview from CNN with a former Congressional page who said that he was exchanging messages with Representative Foley.
Tyson via Ms Underestimated
From CNN Situation Room Archives October 4, 2006, archives:
TODD (voice-over): Tyson Vivyan says when he was a page in 1996 and 1997, Congressman Mark Foley didn’t speak to him. But Vivyan says shortly after he left Capitol Hill, the congressman initiated contact with instant messages.
Vivyan says he was 17 at the time, a minor.
TYSON VIVYAN, FORMER CONGRESSIONAL PAGE: The conversation turned sexual almost immediately.
TODD: It went on for years, according to Vivyan — e-mails, brief phone conversations, instant messages. Vivyan tells CNN on one occasion, after his tenure as a page, when he was about 19, he returned to Washington and was invited to Foley’s house. He says he brought another former page with him to make sure things didn’t get out of hand.
VIVYAN: He ordered pizza for us. He offered us beer, but we were minors at the time and we both declined.
TODD: The other former page who went with Vivyan that night, Josh Abrons, tells CNN he doesn’t recall alcohol being present. Vivyan and Abrons both say nothing inappropriate happened. But Abrons also says Foley had exchanged instant messages with him after he left the page program, but while he was still a minor. Abrons says he initiated contact with Foley, but only to talk about politics. He says Foley did talk politics. And…
JOSH ABRONS, FORMER CONGRESSIONAL PAGE: He did make explicit references. He talked about anatomy, his own and other people’s. He did enjoy talking about sex frequently and he did ask if I was attracted to him physically.
TODD: Neither Abrons nor Vivyan could provide copies of their alleged communications with Foley from that time. Vivyan showed us correspondence he said he had with Foley later. Abrons and Vivyan say they made it clear they were not interested in physical relationships with Foley.
But, there seems to be a serious problem with this story as AJ Strata explains:
I was watching Tyson Vivyan, a Page who has come forward to claim Foley was stalking him ten years ago in 1995-96, give his story on Nancy Grace show on CNN. The man sounds very reasonable and admits he did not say anything about Foley in the decade since his encounters – but his story has one glaring problem. He claims he was Instant Messaging with Foley in 1996-97, before Instant Messaging was as ubiquitous as it is now. Most people forget the first web browser – Mosiac – only came out in 1990-91. The Wikipedia history notes that until 1996 only AOL users had a form of IM. This date is confirmed at other sites which discuss the history of the technology. And I can tell you know government computers had AOL at that time. The Government still pretty much owned the internet.
For the record Mr. Vivyan was on FOX News last night and said the same thing although FOX has no archives availble. That didn’t sound quite right then, either.
Ms Underestimated has the video of Vivyan on FOX.
AllahPundit has it, too.
Ross: I’m not familiar with CREW. I have since seen they have posted some of those original emails on their website. I don’t think they have the ones that really are in contingent.
O’Reilly: We are trying to figure out who is driving this. Who went to the St. Petersburg Times and Miami Herald. FOX News in Washington got ahold of some teh emails. The emails we got ahold of were innocuous, They weren’t any smoking gun. But, we now believe and the WSJ as well, that a George Soros funded group drove this story. That could be an interesting wrinkle here.
Ross: I think certainly if that were true it would be interesting. I think though what put this over the edge was when the former pages uh (Ross stutters) immodestly let me say, saw our initial report last week and they thought Foley was covering up that they thougth it was more than just being overly friendly.
O’Reily: That’s always what happens.
Ross: And, I think you know that it’s any doubt that anyone who saw those emails would act quickly and they all didn’t.
How likely is it that the former pages just plunked this information into ABC’s hands after ther story broke?
What is it about “those IMs were in no one’s possession except for the group of former pages” that makes me go “hmmm???” Only the pages had copies of the 3-year-old IMs? George Soros is driving C.R.E.W. I think what Passionate America & I did to investigate this is forcing the hand of others. We just wanted the truth to come out.
** Problem 4:
If the FBI is serious about their investigation here is a little help …Michael Rogers… the supposed “Republican” and the famed gay outer. Will sends this from The Hill tonight written by Alexander Bolton who previously wrote for The Nation:
The same source, who acted as an intermediary between the aide-turned-whistleblower and several news outlets, says the person who shared the documents is no longer employed in the House.
But the whistleblower was a paid GOP staffer when the documents were first given to the media.
The source bolstered the claim by sharing un-redacted e-mails in which the former page first alerted his congressional sponsor’s office of Foley’s attentions. The copies of these e-mails, now available to the public, have the names of senders and recipients blotted out.
These revelations mean that Republicans who are calling for probes to discover what Democratic leaders and staff knew about Foley’s improper exchanges with under-age pages will likely be unable to show that the opposition party orchestrated the scandal now roiling the GOP just a month away from the midterm elections…
…The first Web report of the relatively tame e-mails appears to have prompted someone to share the explicit IM messages. After ABC News obtained those messages, in which Foley discussed sexual acts with the second former page, a scandal mushroomed on Capitol Hill, and Foley resigned.
The source who provided the e-mails that ABC News first reported on its blog, denied sharing the more explicit IMs.
So while the primary source of the e-mails which kicked off the scandal was a House GOP aide, the trigger of the news coverage was the weblog.
The creator of stopsexpreditors.blogspot.com is unknown. An interview request e-mailed to the site was not returned.
Michael Rogers left a trail of information these past three years that lead right to his door. (See previous posts)
Aravosis said he obtained the latest information about the five-term congressman from Foley’s former chief of staff, Kirk Fordham.
Fordham, who is gay, headed up fund-raising efforts for Foley’s aborted Senate campaign and is now the finance director for one of the remaining GOP primary candidates in that race: Mel Martinez, George W. Bush’s former Housing & Urban Development secretary. Martinez has come out in favor of the Federal Marriage Amendment.
Fordham denied ever speaking with Aravosis.
Again, that was in July 2004. Fordham and Aravosis will most likely have some explaining to do.
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