PENTAGON: Recruiting Centers to Remain Unarmed, Unguarded; Recruiters Told to Not Wear Uniforms

Army chief of staff Gen. Ray Odierno said on Friday he has no plans to arm recruiters or add security patrols to military recruitment centers in the wake of the Islamist terror attacks on unarmed, unguarded military offices in Chattanooga, Tennessee on Thursday. Odierno basically said he doesn’t trust his troops to handle their weapons properly.

Also on Friday, the Marine Corps ordered recruiters to not wear their uniforms at work for ‘force protection.’

Thomas J. Sullivan
Gunnery Sgt. Thomas J. Sullivan, one four Marines killed in Islamist terror attack in Chattanooga, Thursday, July 16, 2015. Photo: Screen grab.

Odierno made his comments at a breakfast with reporters, according to the AP.

“”Security at military recruiting and reserve centers will be reviewed in the aftermath of the deadly shooting in Tennessee, but it’s too early to say whether the facilities should have security guards or other increased protection, the Army’s top officer said Friday.

“A day after a gunman shot and killed four Marines and wounded three other people in Chattanooga, Gen. Ray Odierno, chief of staff of the Army, told reporters that arming troops in those offices could cause more problems than it might solve.

“”I think we have to be careful about over-arming ourselves, and I’m not talking about where you end up attacking each other,” Odierno said during a morning breakfast. Instead, he said, it’s more about “accidental discharges and everything else that goes along with having weapons that are loaded that causes injuries.””

…”In the wake of previous shootings at military facilities, the services have reviewed and strengthened security precautions at the centers. But most of those involve safety precautions and the need to be aware and watchful of surroundings.

“Odierno said that there are currently no plans to have security personnel posted at recruiting centers, but added that there will be a review. He said a notice went out Thursday to all Army locations reminding them of protection measures.”

On Friday evening ABC News Pentagon reporter Luis Martinez reported on Twitter the Marine Corps ordered recruiters to not wear their uniforms at work.

“Marine Corps Recruiting Command has instructed Marine recruiters to not wear uniforms at work, part of force protection since Chattanooga”

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  • Patty

    this has the fingerprints of Obama all over it. he is doing the same thing to our Police.

  • thehozer

    This guy is one of those military higher up yes men. Obama speaks and he says yes.

  • Servo1969

    Well, there you have it. Tuck your tails between your legs and cower, boys. Right here in your own country. F- me to tears.

  • Dr. Karl Stalin

    Soon they will remove the flag.

  • clevonlittle

    instead of ordering his command to bear sidearms , he orders them out of uniform………….wonderfully high spot in any future Progressive administration of your choosing , general . the left needs more people in the military just like you .

  • clevonlittle

    did you notice that Admiral Kirby is now out of uniform , and the spokesman at State ? He carries water very well………………….

  • clevonlittle

    much the same as redacting ” terrorism ” , and ” jihad ” , from Homeland Security publications………I completely agree with Servo1969’s last sentiment……..

  • mcnutt

    These are military members. No uniforms and no weapon on premise is really ignorant. Did your marching orders come from the White House?

  • Pauli

    By the time obama gets thru with this country it will rank with Costa Rica as a world power. Just as planned.

  • Getaclue

    Does anyone know if a legally registered gun owner with a conceal carry permit could stand outside these recruitment centers armed to protect our military?!
    FFS….this is suicidal. …the American people need to stand up and unite. ..our we will be sheeps to the slaughter!

  • Phoenix_Damaged

    Better to turn into chameleons in hopes that our military isn’t recognized as — well — military. Heaven forbid that we should offend our enemies. We don’t want to give anyone the idea that our military is meant to represent and protect our sovereignty and nationhood. We don’t want any conflict right now; after all, we’re in the middle of a big give-away to Iran AND maintaining our open-border policy.
    If something doesn’t change, we are sunk.

  • Dantes

    Pathetic. This is obviously one of Obama’s handpicked desk jockeys who share his vision of the utter destruction of the armed services from within.

  • Patty

    this is an insult to our Military and this nation and my hope is that Trump will pick up on this article and run fast with it and at lightening speed. We need his comment. This is perfect for him. He shoots from the hip.

  • ratizbad

    Long shirts and a derringer or small pistol in pocket will help a little bit.Hussein has put communist leaders in our military…Jihad here we come!.Time to put Hussein Out.Wake up Military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Yet another reason I take deep and pervasive SHAME in being American…courtesy of LBJ, Carter, Clinton and Obama.

    …and all of them are Democrats. No surprise here!

  • Anyone with an IQ over 70 (the clinical standard for mental retardation) KNOWS the order came from O-blowhole…

  • Sailor12

    Unbelievable! We stand no chance, given our leadership. Imagine; cowering, renouncing the uniform and being ordered to be victims! It is outrageously insulting and embarrassing. A decent military commander would resign, rather than being compelled by the President to make his troops targets, IN OUR OWN COUNTRY! Odierno is a shameful man!

  • Servo1969

    Well, g-damn. We certainly wouldn’t want anyone to see actual Marines walking around in Marine uniforms in our Marine recruiting stations! That might hurt someone’s feelings!

    Hell, next week were having a super prissy Pentagon panel to discuss putting away all those insulting American flags! And that afternoon we’re going to have a “No More Uniforms” parade down Main St.! Pres. Obama gets to ride on the Princess Float! And Gen. Odierno… is in charge of confetti!!!

  • Pat Loudoun

    This is what a two term president can accomplish, especially with the politicians also known at the joint chiefs and other “senior” commanders.

    He’s turned career military men into simpering little Marcottes. Perhaps they could emulate Samurai rather than order Honorable Service Men and Women to leave their uniforms home.

  • Sailor12

    Good comment below. Why not remove the flag from the Recruitment center and pamphlets with “patriotic” photographs; and those slogans/posters “Be the best you can be”! Why, that’s provocative and an insult to our Muslim citizens/Muslim illegals….

  • Odierno is not a man; he’s a coward who should die a coward’s death, preferably at his own free hand.

    He is a disgrace to all who have worn the uniform.

  • diver_girl_64

    WTF????? They can be trusted to be locked and loaded when out on patrol but can’t be trusted to safely handle theirs rifles and/or handguns otherwise? Cops are trusted, MPs are trusted. If you have that little faith in their firearms training, sounds like the training needs to be improved.

  • ridgerunner

    Keeping a posse outside would take care of it.

  • Makes you wonder if Obama and Odierno are ‘buffing’ each other…

  • The enemy can sick their own lollipops…

  • Guest

    General Odierno is a member of the 0bama perfumed prince’s wusses that he has appointed to make the military weak and sell them out. No warrior type, more of the limp wrist type. Gov of Arkansas told the NG bureau to post armed guards.

  • yennikcm

    Want them to hide, and throw things at the attackers? Like the Border Patrol? BEEESSS

  • Patty

    Terror Immigration to America Must Stop

    If we really want to stop terrorism, the place to start is the airport.

    Tennessee is to Muslim refugees as New York is to Muslim hijacked planes. Chattanooga, the site of the latest Muslim terror attack against America, is a “preferred community” for resettlement along with Knoxville and Nashville.

    Nashville was designated a “Gateway City” for Iraqis. Hundreds of Somali Muslims were dumped in Shelbyville and the Murfreesboro Mega-Mosque became national news because of its terror ties.

    Over the last decade, middle Tennessee’s Muslim population tripled. The rise of Islam in Tennessee as Muslims from terror zones like Iraq and Somalia flooded its towns and cities brought hate and violence.

    In Memphis, Imam Yasir Qadhi was caught on tape calling Jews and Christians filthy and declaring that Muslims can take their lives and property. Last year the FBI warned of an ISIS threat in Memphis.

    This year it was Chattanooga’s turn.
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259501/terror-immigration-america-must-stop-daniel-greenfield

  • ridgerunner

    Soldiers have second amendment rights too. Tell Obama to pound sand.

  • Brewskie

    Why doesn’t he just post a sign that says “Free Target Practice Inside!!!”?

  • Patty
  • toad

    Nope. The American people would prevent that.

  • Amedicinewoman

    Well at least we won’t mistake the general for a man. If he was Japanese he would have fell on his own sword first!

  • maybetoday777

    “No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”
    What they are doing is binding the strong man. What’s more pathetic is unsaved, hellbound devils know more about Scripture than you people. That’s what pathetic.

  • SineWaveII

    Way to go General. Nice job of telegraphing your intent to the enemy. If you’re too much of a wuss to take any action you should keep your fat mouth shut. Now there will likely be more attacks.
    And what does uniforms have to do with it you moron?

  • Amedicinewoman

    Truthfully,my spouse got out in 2012, said it was sheyote then and was getting disgusting by the day. He intended to pull full 30, 27 was all he could deal with. And told his sons stay out while Obama is in charge.

  • SineWaveII

    They already are.

  • Servo1969

    I’m of the mind that when someone like Cruz gets in the White House one his first duties should be to have his people dig through the last 8 years of military promotion records.

    If someone’s career was ended for saying they would never fire on American citizens they should be recommissioned with all back-pay including any denied promotions.

    If there is so much as a single record of an officer saying they would fire they should be relieved of duty immediately and drummed out of the military.

    A fish rots from the head down.

  • Mike in Illinois

    I BLAME JOHN BOEHNER!!
    He has 100% authority AND the VOTES to stop this. KILL THE MONEY FLOW BOEHNER.
    You see, the CONGRESS sets the RULES for the militia. Period. No ambiguity. NO wiggle room. SO SET THE RULES BOEHNER!

  • LouAnnWatson

    brilliant…just like a typical obama installed ass kisser

  • Mike in Illinois

    Tweet Trump, Tweet!
    #ObamaDisarmsSoldiers

  • Mike in Illinois

    No, it is not ignorant. It IS just plain old STUPID.

  • Mike in Illinois

    Well, supposed to anyway…..

  • Mike in Illinois

    A point of the second amendment is so that such training isn’t needed at all, this because the general population is already “trained” upon answering the call to organize the militia.
    I hate Democrats for ruining plain common sense.

  • Mike in Illinois

    As long as they have a right to be there and it is not posted “gun free zone”, they certainly could. But examine your premise please. Where is government empowered to “register” gun owners in the first place? Are free speakers registered? Church goers? Writers? Assemblers? Petitioners?
    We have got to stop all this madness, this blatant abject idiocy!

  • Mike in Illinois

    I can think of one man in particular who should be not only reinstated but honored ……..I wonder who can come up with who I am thinking about…..One man who lost it all – because he refused to bow, refused to compromise his principals, refused to stand down his defense of our Constitution.
    Anyone know to whom I refer?

  • Goose

    I’ve said it before, I have to say it again 1000 times over again-
    my biggest disappointment with this ongoing destruction of America is the absolute dereliction of duty by the Pentagon Top Brass.

    hasn’t anybody else noticed? NOT ONE! resignation in protest, NOT ONE!
    utterly disgraceful and leads me to wonder, do Americans deserve America anymore?

  • ridgerunner

    Folks, I think we are too PC in all of this. We need to be calling for jail time – Bergdahl forsook his post and so has Obama. He has also used the IRS to go after citizens that have political positions with which he disagrees. The point is that we are not playing hard enough. Obama needs to fear (FEAR) that Republicans are going to try to throw his butt in jail after he leaves office – forget the politics of impeachment. Let him think about the reality of incarceration. If some of you can think of a better description for the charges, I am all about it – but forget impeachment which throws a President out of office. Obama is close enough to the end of his term that we can throw some fear into him if we put a President in office that promises to make sure that laws were followed while Obama was in office.

  • Goose

    Terry Lakin

  • Getaclue

    Oh I agree wholeheartedly. ..it’s complete madness. …I have several members in my family that are in the military. ..and I hate seeing our boys picked off because of feked up political correctness.
    We should not have to register (a way to track us) anything.

  • Goose

    he’s not incompetent, he’s not timid… he’s one of Them

  • diver_girl_64

    Unfortunately, in many states, CCW isn’t allowed and so most people DON’T get any training. I can understand not arming civilians who have no training (especially gun safety) but the assumption is that the military is (should be) properly trained.

  • Yup, some are already trying.

  • Patty

    Veteran Stands On Bridge For Four Hours To Honor Chattanooga Victims

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-17-at-6.51.34-PM-550×310.png

    Every year, Ben Kinsey waves an American flag on a South
    Carolina bridge for 11 hours to honor victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist
    attacks.

    On Thursday, the veteran was seen standing alone on the bridge once again, but he was two months early.

    This time he was honoring the four U.S. Marines killed by a gunman who attacked two military facilities in Chattanooga, Tenn.

    South Carolina resident Noah Smith was driving home from work when he
    spotted Kinsey on the I-20 overpass and snapped a photo. Afterward, he
    shared the man’s story on Facebook, and it quickly went viral.

    Keep reading… http://www.cbsnews.com/news/veteran-stands-on-bridge-for-4-hours-with-american-flag-to-honor-chattanooga-victims/

    God love this great veteran and God bless him and America!!

  • Patty

    Tweet Of The Day — Valerie Jarrett Comments On Obama Going To Visit Prison

    You shall know Obama, and Obama shall make you free — @vj44

    #NotACult

    President Obama [email protected] Jul 14

    America is home to 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of the world’s prisoners.

  • Redwine123

    the Marine Corps ordered recruiters to not wear their uniforms at work for ‘force protection.’
    This is how the enemy wins. They make you bend to fear them and, being fearful, accommodate them.

  • bindare

    I wonder if the General would demonstrate how safe it is by sitting in a big city recruitment office with no added security or weapon, close to the door or picture window for 2 or 3 weeks.

  • Sniffy Pop

    I called it earlier today. I knew Barry was going to fight this one.

    WTF how obvious can you make it that you loath and despise real men and women since you were never even able to have a real job!

  • navydave

    It takes honor to fall on your sword, something I feel is now completely lacking in Wash DC.

  • Oklahoma Lady

    Thanks Obama for neutering military higher-ups, I pray for the safety of our enlisted personnel.

  • Oklahoma Lady

    All of us should be screaming in protest about gun-free military recruitment centers and bases, those poor dead Marines were our good guys! It’s up to ALL of us to raise holy hell and defend those, who defend us.

  • Oklahoma Lady

    The shamefull, original DOD order came from GHWB and has been renewed ever since. I’d love to blame O-blowhole exclusively, but can’t. See the article in American Thinker.

  • Oklahoma Lady

    As did Governor Fallin of Oklahoma.

  • cindy

    I think it’s about time for our Military to get a huge Pay Raise with double-up Life Insurance Policy for their Family’s when Murdered by an Islamist and hold their country of origin too pay the Tab.

  • Avspatti

    But….but… pensions!

  • Avspatti

    Nashville is my home city. Born and raised there, and lots of family still there.

  • Avspatti

    They are afraid to lose their pensions and other benefits.

  • authemis

    i think its time our military march on washington

  • Avspatti

    Really? When will they start some action?

  • Avspatti

    Yes, but it had a strong exception clause which has been totally ignored.

  • jilliejoel

    Petraeus?

  • Dodd Flea

    The Republicans are just as bad. https://youtu.be/e6KKjKwB_mY

  • 1azuce

    obama only uses Marines to hold his umbrella.

  • Darrell Standing

    http://lowres.jantoo.com/military-recruited-recruits-defense_recruitment-armed_force-recruitment-45900225_low.jpg

    So much for “these colors don’t run” … I guess that was the old-not-so-progressive-U.S. … welcome to Barry’s world … where we put targets on our military … keep them unarmed … and every day is casual Friday!!! Sheesh!!!

  • Goose

    but.. But… Our Country!

    (I know what you’re saying, I understand)

  • Rose

    Compounding the TREASON and the CURSES.
    I call for the curses to be reversed back on the heads of those who send them, for God to protect these military personnel and for the curse to fall only on those who send it out, that they fall into their own traps and snares and pits, and be revealed before the world for the EVIL aggressors they are. And to suffer the full consequences they planned to afflict others. By the Blood of the Lamb, in the Name of Jesus.

  • Paul Cameron

    Hitler couldn’t have picked a better bunch of fruits…

  • Paul Cameron

    Remember this when in your Fema camp… infidel if you have a head left, lol

  • Kruton

    This bum is a lousy general in every way ! A. Burnside laughs at this clown!

  • tommy mc donnell

    it looks like duty, honor, country have gone out the window in favor of my career, my career, my career.

  • rostee67

    Still flying your confederate flag I see. As a retired US Military 22 years with 3 tours, I think you should stop running off at the mouth about patriotism, because you are a DISGRACE! You apparently “Never Served” but you sure whine/cry like a baby enough and are a TRUE RACIST, but you already knew that…didn’t you! Stop embarrassing the party and our country.

  • Chris Sky

    The Conservative understand that evil ALWAYS exists and evil will ALWAYS be armed… The Conservative knows that the best defence against this, is to arm your self and be ready to defend those you care about.

    The Liberal BELIEVES that a “gun free zone” sign, “changing your clothes” a “rape whistle” and a cell phone are your best “defence” when confrtoned with Evil…. and the bodies keep piling up in “gun free zones”

    Nuf said.

  • mg4us

    Was this General an Obama pick?

    Not arming because of accidental discharge? Before they banned military from carrying, what were the ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE statistics? Home many Marines died from it here in the US????

    This is BS.

    Clinton took way the arms and OBAMA enforces it. . makes out soldiers sitting ducks. . .

    Amazing how local law enforcement HAS NO PROBLEM with accidental discharge. .

    Maybe the only accidental discharge Gen Ray Odierno has is in his pants. .like the tingle Chris Matthews gets (and wets) when he sees Obama!!!!!

  • Tyrannocankles rex

    Obozo boot-lickers!

  • Tyrannocankles rex

    Obama. Worst President ever.

  • glenn47

    This Army Chief of Staff is an idiot and should be removed. Doesn’t trust them to handle their guns? Well, I guess that means he is a crappy trainer/leader.
    I may not wear my uniform, but I will dang sure wear my gun.
    These officers putting their men in danger repeatedly are being paid by the White House with our tax money.

  • glenn47

    Yep, lots and lots of tax money is being spent to pay these jerks off. Sure isn’t any Patton, Eisenhower, or Schwartzkopf in the whole lot of them

  • glenn47

    Correction….I think that should say, LACK of leadership. He is here for destruction.

  • glenn47

    Jarret has worked very hard thinning out our military and anyone who would remove BO?
    He has broken every rule and law to allow for impeachment and here we sit like a frog in the warming water, no one with the nads to remove him.
    Look what they impeached Nixon on, basically nothing in comparison.

  • glenn47

    They knew about Patraeus affair for almost two years but kept quiet to use later and get him to leave with out telling the whole truth.

  • Hy Feiber

    REVOLT! Disarm the Secret Service!

  • fedupMan

    Who ordered this? DA prez???????????

  • glenn47

    This is kind of off this subject, but important. Reading up on some foreign papers where the illegals are entering Sicily and Italy and raping and pilfering the countries. Taking everything from the people, Cars, livestock, food, and raping the women.
    This is the country BO is building for us, and there will soon be a major gun removal from everyone.
    But to disarm our military,,when he swore to uphold our Constitution and to protect our country. Time for bodily removal.

  • Hy Feiber

    I call on all military personnel to Commit Civil Disobedience!

    No more acquiescence to Executive Treason!

    There must be Pushback!

  • glenn47

    The orders came down from and instigated by those that have their own protection.

  • glenn47

    That is why they were removed, those removed where the ones that told him no when asked if they would draw down on Americans. The ones that had the nads to remove him, per his breaking his oath he took to protect us.

  • Hy Feiber

    We are witnessing the Total Subjugation of the American People, by a Cissy with a big mouth.

    The military sell-outs do his bidding.

    Un F-in believable.

    A bad D movie.

  • glenn47

    Sort of like when they telegraphed to the world about Seal Team Six.

  • Squid Overlord

    So now terrorists know our military are in civilian clothes and shoot into recruiting offices anyway. Now what?

  • SineWaveII

    Exactly

  • Lulu

    I would do everything I could to keep my kids out of the military if they were of age and advise my friends with kids of service age to do the same — it is beyond tragic that American service members are being put at risk not just here but across the world by bureaucrat policies and the anti-American people in this administration

  • Paddy Bauler

    What an asshat. We’re not talking rocket launchers. Sidearms!! The same ones many Americans carry daily we no problems, including mine.

  • authemis

    sounds like accessory after the fact. I would slap him with charges if i were in charge.

  • Evil Otto

    “”I think we have to be careful about over-arming ourselves, and I’m not talking about where you end up attacking each other,” Odierno said during a morning breakfast. Instead, he said, it’s more about “accidental discharges and everything else that goes along with having weapons that are loaded that causes injuries.””

    What? WHAT?!?

    I’m speechless.

  • Evil Otto

    Whatever.

  • nadadhimmi

    Obama is providing a captive, disarmed, target rich environment for his moslem terrorist buddies to kill the “infidels”. Obama not only disarms them, he specifies their location. ISIS called for moslems to kill American soldiers in America because they know Obama would help them do it.

  • haypa2

    NO one will know they are military sitting in a recruiter’s office in civilian clothes.

  • MikeO

    Chesty Puller is spinning in his grave! ARM THEM!

  • MikeO

    A natural extension of the logic of the folks who blamed Pamela Geller for the Garland shootings.

  • TigerJohn

    Remind me again, just why do they call them the “Armed Forces”?

  • DesertCobra

    There was a death at Camp Lejeune NC within the past year or so due to an accidental discharge by an armed sentry at the main gate. Unfortunately, these things happen. Training can mitigate those types of events though, and recruiters should be armed since there is now obviously a target on their backs. This isn’t the first attack to happen at an Armed Forces Recruiting Center. The recruiting center in Little Rock, Arkansas was attacked in 2009 by another radical Muslim. Time to arm these men and women for their own protection.

  • Thegoldman

    Hay a$$holes there is a sign that says…

    Army…

    Air Force…

    Navy…

    Marines…

    Thats what makes it a target…

    Those are the words…

    THAT’S THEY LOOK FOR…

    This is America…

    Not Britton…

  • HotHunt

    This ruling by the Pentagon’s top brass, has got Obama’s limp-wristed, weak-kneed, lily-livered rules of engagement fingerprints all over it. These men are highly trained to handle and shoot weapons. The rare accidental “injuries” would be far smaller than the chance these Islamic radical terrorists are going to be gunning for our military, especially at a soft target like a recruitment center in a strip mall.

    Does Odierno really think that this terrorist would not have shot five Marines to death if they didn’t have their uniforms on at their desks? This jihadist sat in his car outside the recruitment office and shot it up at random, hoping to kill as many as possible, which he did. He didn’t care about them having uniforms on. And how successful is their recruiting going to be without their uniforms on? Their sharp uniforms are what make the soldier in the eyes of the civilian public.

    This is the dumbest thing I have heard of from the military since they started allowing gays and trannies to serve in the force. Odierno must be hanging on for his retirement check, because in my opinion, from serving in the Air Force 40 years ago, the military would not their soldiers, recruiters or otherwise, to be placed in harm’s way without weaponry to protect themselves from the enemy. Our problem now is, the enemy is in the White House and he has cleaned out the Pentagon of anybody with some huevos to do what is “right”, not what is poilitcally correct.

    Another sad day for our military under this anti-American, anti-miliary regime.

  • jilliejoel

    Sounds about right. Raw deal to say the least.

  • William L. Finucan

    Well then a “volunteer” escort on site made up of veterans with CCW would work….

  • vnamvet1969

    This is complete crap. Since when does the military shed their uniforms for fear of being targeted by Islamic psychopaths? The uniform is part of the job and service personnel take great pride in wearing it. Let them carry guns and stop this insanity.

  • Mike in Illinois

    Nope. Cheating on your wife is a Clinton-like action, and certainly not to be honored.

  • Thegoldman

    Hay a$$ holes there is a sign that says…

    Army…

    Air Force…

    Navy…

    Marines…

    Thats what makes it a target…

    Those are the words…

    THAT’S THEY LOOK FOR…

    This is America…

    Not Britton…

  • Mike in Illinois

    It is the CCW “allowance” that sees a lack of “training”. You really don’t see it do ya? You can “see” not arming civilians? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Of course you are, you are a gun controller. You are taking the “only ones” attitude.
    Listen, please, to this.
    In order that all people be familiar, practiced and trained in the use of arms, so that, as a society, the people are able to effectively defend themselves their country and their property, the right of the people to keep and bear arms from birth to death cannot ever be abridged, infringed or impaired.
    People need “trained” today BECAUSE the right to keep and bear arms HAS BEEN infringed. See, BECAUSE the rights have been infringed, they are not well regulated, they are not practiced, they are not familiar.

    Care to disagree?

  • Mike in Illinois

    It was just a few weeks ago that I, along with my entire family, stood right in one of these recruiting offices…..supporting my eldest shipping off to basic training. I said something to the recruiter several times about that gun free zone sticker that was present on the door. This incident hit me hard on that note. It IS a bit different when a member of your own family is military.

    We have to stop this madness!

  • Mike in Illinois

    Indeed. One thing I have ZERO reservations about…..Trump would issue a FULL pardon to him. As it should be.

  • kinninigan

    Meanwhile 15 yr old drug dealers here in Philly are walking around with 45 cal handguns and AK-47’s. I am glad I got out of the Army in 2000, this not allowing recruiters to have guns is pathetic…most soldiers are better trained then cops with firearms!

  • Hy Feiber

    Odierno IS Obama.

  • Hy Feiber

    You’d have to be a masochist to join the military under cissy boy.

  • Anthony Hoeppner

    They’re doing it in GA. I don’t see why it can’t be done across the country.

  • Waiting for the days when we have a real president again.
    Real leadership — would be the chief holding his umbrella for the Marine during rain showers!!

  • diver_girl_64

    No, you misunderstood what I meant. I completely concur with the fact that the 2nd Amendment gives everyone the right to keep and bear arms and that right should not be infringed. But, the fact of the matter is that many states have made it so difficult to acquire firearms to the point that the burden is on the individual to go through the hoops. My state passed a new round of gun laws that made the acquisition of my latest (a Glock 42) take two months and hundreds of dollars in fees from fingerprinting to taking it home with me. In that process, the only thing that saved me the $150 gun safety course was the fact that I had firearms prior to the new laws but I still had to provide detailed info on one of my current firearms to prove it (the beginnings of gun registration). All that to purchase a new one, NOT to get a CCW (virtually impossible in my state).
    All I meant was that I meant by my post is that the hoops that people now have to jump through makes it prohibitive to even get the safety training let alone the firearm and rounds to get the requisite practice time to safely and accurately use a firearm.

  • KWB

    THIS IS PURE BULLCRAP AND ABSOLUTELY INSANE ……..GO OUT AND TRY TO RECRUIT YOUNG PEOPLE INTO OUR BRANCHES OF THE MILITARY ………BUT “LOSE” YOUR PRIDE AND STRENGTH AND BRAVERY IN YOUR MILITARY ORGANIZATION, UNIT, ABILITY, SECURITY OR PRIDE ……………..

    WHAT A F***ING JOKE OUR COUNTRY, OUR PENTAGON, OUR MILITARY LEADERS AND OUR POLITICIANS ARE ……….AND THEY HAVE “ALL” JUST MADE OUR MILITARY THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD ……………..WHO IN THE HELL IS GOING TO FEAR, RESPECT OR WANT TO ENLIST IN A MILITARY WHO IS “UNABLE” TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, AND “NOW” CAN NO LONGER HAVE THE PRIDE IN THEIR UNIFORMS TO WEAR THEM IN PUBLIC!!!!!

    OUR GENERALS, OUR PENTAGON, AND ANYONE WHO PERMITS THEM TO CARRY OUT THIS ORDER IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY. AND “OUR” COUNTRY SHOULD GIVE EVERY MEMBER OF OUR MILITARY FORCES AN OPTION TO RECEIVE AN “IMMEDIATE” HONORABLE DISCHARGE WITH “IMMEDIATE” “FULL” PENSION BENEFITS FROM THE HONORABLE MILITARY THEY HAD BEEN SERVING IN TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE “NEW” DISGRACEFUL MILITARY THE PENTAGON WANTS TO BUILD!!!

  • KWB

    TEXAS Governor Greg Abbott has already signed the order for “ALL” TEXAS National Guard Recruiting Offices and Bases to be armed and protected; and has not wasted any time. Some United States Senators and Congressman have said they are going to try to pass law for our Federal Military Recruiting Offices and Bases to be armed and protected; but how long does that take, and how often are they successful, and how often are they just playing politics. Obama could have done the same thing as Abbott – used his Executive Order to put this in place “TODAY”

  • Mike in Illinois

    No, the second amendment doesn’t “give” anyone anything. It is nothing more than a recognition. an admission, of an inherent right that already exists – prior to the formation of government, one that is out of reach of government machination.

    States didn’t make it difficult any more than a gun shoots a person. People created the hoops, because they didn’t adhere to the Constitution. Interestingly, that is exactly why the NRA angle of “state preemption” is so very dangerous, for it enables MORE of those “hoops” to be created.

    It seems you “meant” what I am trying to tell you. Infringing on the right has created a militia that is not well regulated.

    The key is to challenge the premise. Government just claims the authority to make these laws, yet never explains, demonstrates, that it HAS this authority. We have the highest law in the land on our side, plainly stated. There is no tenth amendment issue here. NO “STATES RIGHTS” issue at all. Instead of arguing about WHICH restriction can be applied, we have to challenge the authority to impose restrictions THEMSELVES. The BEST way to do that is to refuse to consent.

    Search out the three percent movement. Adopt this – I Will Not Comply.
    III

  • B White Eagle

    A hide and seek solution is no solution at all!!! Arm our people to make them Victors instead of Victims!!!

  • Brian
  • AFANG1

    My wife and I are on active duty. We disagree with this policy. We really think that we should be able to carry a side arm to keep ourselves and our family safe.
    Most of our friends in the military feel the same way.
    The root of this policy I really believe is a desire to not inflame “radical” sensibilities among Muslims in this country. I really think our leaders recognize that Islam is not really a peaceful religion.
    Rather than confront this issue, it is easier to make us not wear our uniform.

  • Bob McMahan

    Actually, I believe has proven to be a capable officer. But, he is working for a dork, and that cannot be fun for him. Negligent discharges can be a problem. Training can help with that. Troops get way too little time with pistols, indeed they get way too little time with their long guns.

  • jarhedbtdt

    Odierno… this coming from a guy that has security 24/7.. what a tool. Obama ‘yes boy’. I’d rather have 500 ‘negligent discharges’ (no such thing as accidental there Ray) than see one more drop of American blood spilled on AMERICAN soil!!!

  • jarhedbtdt

    To add to it, there should be a sign or at very least some ‘fine print’ telling these young Americans joining that “once your done serving our great nation, YOU will be placed on a terror watch list”. Maybe if Ms. Napolitano and the rest weren’t so focused on watching vets that served honorably, they just MIGHT have more resources to watch the ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS! Let little rock, ft. Hood, and Chattanooga be used as a source of WAKE UP AMERICA instead of hide and cower.. unreal.. wanted change? You got it!

  • David

    This is, of course, the same kind of politically correct nonsense that general officers spew when covering their asses. Reminds me of Beirut when the guards were told to have their weapons unloaded. So, the terrorist truck bomber was able to speed bye before they could lock and load.
    This is why you need experienced troops. I imagine that the combat experienced troops at recruiting stations would be carrying now. I would be. This would give the top brass deniability.

  • jarhedbtdt

    Amen dave! I just said b4 it was taken down that I’d rather have 500 negligent discharges (no such thing as accidental when handling firearms/Lib must have been ‘offended’) than see one more drop of American blood spilled on AMERICAN soil!!! Odierno, this is all coming from guy who has security (like obama/napolitano/rice etc..etc.) 24/7/365. Nothing more than obama “yes sir, right away sir..” pathetic..

  • Getaclue

    Thank you for your family’s service. ..prayers for their safety.
    We must stop it.

  • BlueMax372

    He left a few years ago and the lights have been out since.

  • jarhedbtdt

    You wanted change folks? Well, YOU GOT IT!!! Recruiters now cowering (ordered of course) due to WEAKNESS provided by our ahhmm..’leadership’. Working recruiters “on the bag” meaning on production in hiding. Where’s the clause telling future enlisted they will b on watch list once they leave; honorably I might add. If the ‘guvmit’ spent time tracking people that TRAVEL AND COMMUNICATE with rogue nation’s instead of honorable vets, we just might have more resources to STOP these things.. I must have ‘offended’ a Libs delicate nature as my FIRST post on this was IMMEDIATELY taken down.. we wouldn’t want truth to be heard no would we.. Pathetic.. here’s your “change” folks!!! ‘Leadership’ that couldn’t bench press a q-tip!! Cmon ’17! Media is the enemy’s greatest enabler..

  • jarhedbtdt

    Ms Taylor’s sensibilities MUST be hurt… You people are all the same. HIDE truth and become ‘offended’ to FACTS… I see comments dropping faster than your dear ldrs approval rating.. Media… you are complicit in allowing Americans who served HONORABLY to be heard.. Cash your check, turn on ‘E’ to check on Bruce/Caitlyn. Home of the ‘free’ my Scottish arse.. Your diligence in hiding and removing valid comments assures THIS Marine you do NOTHING but enable those that attempt to hurt good Americans.. There is a special place for folks that suppress our EARNED 1st amendment right.. not that YOU ms. TAYLOR ever earned anything but a job to suppress Americans weighing in on your awesome work.. Pathetic liberal scum

  • jarhedbtdt

    12 comments from MARINES were removed from this site in last 30 minutes. Why? Because we happen to know a few things that others don’t, orders we must ‘deal with’ from people not qualified to run a soda stand… Such as, If you join the military, you will be placed on watch list for serving HONORABLY… Ms. Taylor apparently doesn’t want that to get out; not that SHE’S on one. Marines cowering due to orders given from people who couldn’t bench press a q-tip. 1st Amendment freedom? Not on this site… Each post removed is an indictment of the media’s manipulation of TRUTH in reporting the facts. Each screen shot of these posts are evidence for a future court date with this site, it’s monitors, and supervisors. Instead of allowing people to speak freely (without profanity or threats)and voice concerns; their posts are IMMEDIATELY removed.. Hillarious! My fellow recruiters are watching this baffoonery with me and present witness to this criminal action you and your ilk are perpetrating. Keep deleting Kristinn, your doing great! ADVICE TO READERS; AVOID THIS SITE IF YOU WANT REAL FACTS AND OPINIONS…

  • Brent Blosser

    Maybe police officers should stop carrying sidearms then because of the chance of accidental discharge?

  • Getaclue
  • FruitLoops

    So now he tells them NOT to wear their uniform which makes them look like any one else so now they spray bullets at anyone thats even around the centers and now invite even more civilian “targets” to be included should they attack again.be vigilant people if you’re out and about a center now.You just MIGHT be a marine in disguise.

  • FruitLoops

    Check your facts it was in fact bush that put that order into place not clinton.Not that it matters .Its an assinine law either way

  • *Off topic

    Hey Darrell. Thanks for the follow!! I would do the same with yours if it were possible. Lol. [can’t due to how disqus has their privacy set-up]. 🙁

    Had problems the other day with trying to sign-in on my other account. (that’s why for creating this second one). Shortly later I found something went in and disabled a lot of stuff in my security settings — and it started working again, go figure. Thought it was disqus at fault, but wasn’t.

  • Lise

    Is there anyone who knows about this General Robert B Steven is active in the arm remain to? Would be so grateful if someone could give me an answer

  • dan

    For the safety of the troops we do not want them to wear their uniforms…we want the Marine Corp Recruiters to wear dresses and heels to work so that they can blend in with the civilian population…for their own safety, …….this was stated for the next 2 months while Jaded Hem 15 is being conducted as a PC influenced Gen. Ray Odierno, chief of staff of the Army might have stated….imho

  • toledofan

    Unbelievable isn’t it, but, I guess after almost seven years of this administration, looking the other way, capitulating to the terrorists, and doing nothing to make anyone angry has been the new normal. It’s really sad that so much blood has been spilt in the past for our freedoms and in a short span of less than 7 years our military leaders has been made into a bunch of wimps because of a leadership vacuum in the White House.

  • Mike in Illinois

    Thanks for that and I will tell my Son when I see him soon. I told him over and over before he left – Never Forget what you are going to fight to protect and defend. I asked him to talk to his squad and get a feel for how many even know their rights, much less that their true duty is to defend them. It will be interesting to see what he has learned, and what knowledge he has shared. Lets just say my kids get more education at home than they ever did at school 😉

  • ArmyVet

    If our trained army personnel are such a big threat to have accidental discharges of their weapons, YOU have not done your job General!

  • Highly_Amuzed

    How so? Be specific.

  • Highly_Amuzed

    Obama broke every rule? REALLY??
    Name them and give specific references please.

  • Highly_Amuzed

    Trump shoots from the hip because he cannot shoot any other way!
    He is a blithering idiot!

  • Highly_Amuzed

    Typical uninformed racist! No surprise there!

  • Highly_Amuzed

    Actually Soldiers are government property and ONLY have whatever rights their command specifically gives them! Once they have been commissioned as soldiers, they are no longer citizens until they are discharged!

  • Highly_Amuzed

    You are dead WRONG! YOU are the blowhole!

  • Highly_Amuzed

    Why do you think so? Did your mommy tell you that?

  • Highly_Amuzed

    Tim the clueless, doesn’t comprehend that George H W Bush is the one who made that decision!
    Dumb as dumb is …

  • Highly_Amuzed

    Thank George H W Bush! He is the one who did that! Not Obama!

  • Tyrannocankles rex

    You did. Only the worst president ever would have an asstroll like you defending him.

  • barbarakelly

    If any more of our men get killed at one of these post or centers. Then as a nation we have to rid ourselves of the mess that obama has put us in . It is he who has told the commanders what he wants. WE on the otherhand need to tell our leaders to stop him at all cost —that means impeachment or have him thrown in jail for treason. Then watch him take as many of his cohorts as possible. We have to fight any way we can.!!!!

  • Getaclue

    Excellent… providing them with knowledge is paramount nowadays.. especially since the Pentagon wants recruiters to just close the blinds.. and will not arm them.
    We cannot win against people that refuse to recognize our laws.. we must know them, and the time may come when the American people must enforce them if the government is no longer for the Constitution.

  • Mike in Illinois

    That time approaches, for sure. It is my hope that most entering the military today come from families that taught their kids the truth, cuz Lord knows schools haven’t done so.

  • Tom Cox

    Actually, Officers are commissioned and can resign or asked to resign their Commissions. Enlisted military are property of the War Department.

  • Daniel Jester

    in a related story….terrorists laughing their asses off at u.s. government’s stupidity.

  • ThePleiades

    Are you living in the same country as the rest of us sir ?????
    We don’t have enough room on this board to list all the laws this man has broken. Keep sucking on that Kool Aid straw.

  • DNavyBrat

    Well, my dad recruiting duty during A time of war or conflict and was always with his side arm during that time.. Korea, Vietnam, Gulf…our Military should always be able to be armed and ready to protect…just like our Law Enforcement Officers! They’re trained and at the ready!

  • DNavyBrat

    You check your facts. ..it was Clinton, not Bush

  • FruitLoops

    I believe Clinton started the order but it wasnt implemented until Bush got in office.But, it doesnt really matter either way.Thats not the point here. Its a crappy order that can be done away by ANY sitting president with the stroke of a pen but none since, democrat OR republican would do it.

  • C-Ann-C

    LOL!!! I can’t come up with anything better than that, Servo! You made my day! Concur exactly! I wore the Army uniform for 25 years of my life not to have this “Ayotalla-bama” ruin my country and see my military comrades come under attack by this hater of our military men and women!! Bravo for that superior comment!

  • daves

    “There have been a number of erroneous reports recently that attribute decisions to Marine Corps Recruiting Command leadership directing recruiters to take off their uniform in the performance of their duties,” it said. “At no time was there an order or directive for Marines to remove their uniform. There was a time on Thursday, however, where Marines in the vicinity of Chattanooga were told to close two small recruiting offices, change into civilian clothes, and go to their homes to wait for further instruction. This guidance was disseminated when there was an active and unknown threat to service members and civilians alike. The Marines of MCRC will always be in uniform when on duty.”

  • daves

    You really shouldn’t believe everything you read.

  • pmxpilot

    We live in the land of the free because of the brave… in uniform!

  • pmxpilot

    They should have included “…with loaded arms!”