RAND PAUL Shocker: I’m Not Sure There Was Ever a Bill! I Was Told It Was Online at 1:36 AM. We Voted at 1:39 AM” (Video)

SHOCK ADMISSION–
It’s worse than we thought…
Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) told Sean Hannity tonight,

“You know we have ten years notice on this fiscal deadline. And you know when they decided to address it? Ten years, one hour, and thirty-six minutes is when they finally decided to come up with a bill. They bring the bill to the floor. Which, I never saw the bill. I’m not sure there was ever a bill printed. But, I was told it was somewhere online at 1:36 AM and we voted at 1:39 AM. This is no way to run a government.

The senate never saw the bill and only had three minutes to make up their mind to vote on a bill they never saw!

Rand Paul was one of five Republicans to vote against the bill.

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  • Multitude

    So let’s return John Boehner for two more years of this extreme incompetence. That’ll definitely ensure in 2014, what little is left of the Republican party will be obliterated.

    As Obama has almost certainly said to Boehner: “This is the image of a boot stomping on your face forever.”

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  • bigkahuna

    These bastards need to be put in jail for this reckless behavior. We puit these SOB’s in office to be responsible. They are worse than 3rd graders.

    This shiite should be illegal. I also say every day they dont balance a budget they dont get paid and lose a month of pension.

  • American Woman

    Both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party are dead. Progressives and wannabes are working overtime to destrouy us.

    Ron Paul should have stepped aside 4 years ago and allowed his son the limelight, because Rand Paul has taken a stand on everything from airplane security to fiscal solvency and never steps down.

    People are beginning to mention Rubio, Ryan, and Jeb Bush for 2016. Same old, same old, but Rand Paul would change the whole dynamic.

  • lynno

    Its time to visit the WE THE PEOPLE capital, it is time this administration and congress meet the 53% of the great U.S.A. We are not their servants, our hand is not open to receive what you sharltons have to give. Our hands will be closed around signs,banners and the American Flag.Obama’s bantor about how he wants to save the middle class is all BS. We are the 53% with money and jobs that have been working our a$$ off making and playing the game of life in a honest way. When you are watching their dishonest gaming playing with smug faces makes me want to puke. The liar,bait and switch Obama is a teflon man,everything just slides off him.

  • Oliver

    OT: BREAKING NEWS
    Breaking News: Obama Warned To Prepare For Hillary Clinton Death

    A startling Foreign Military Intelligence (GRU) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that President Obama was informed by White House medical personal shortly after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s [photo top right] return to the United States that her health prognosis was “grim” as her likelihood of survival was “diminishing by the hour.”

    As we had previously reported in our 30 December report, Clinton Injured, US Navy Seal Killed In Secret US Mission To Iran, Secretary Clinton was severely injured over a fortnight ago when her US military C-12 Huron aircraft crash landed at Iran’s Ahwaz International Airport during a US secret mission to that Persian Gulf nation where she was reported to be “unconscious” and “bleeding profusely.”

    US mainstream propaganda news sources have, so far, denied the truth of this incident and as late as 28 December were reporting that Secretary Clinton would be returning to work this past week after her having suffered a bout of the flu and a concussion.

    Within hours of the GRU releasing their information on the Iranian air crash of the US military C-12 Huron, however, these same American media propaganda news sources began reporting that Secretary Clinton was hospitalized for what they described as a blood clot on her brain near her skull.

    Further confirmation of true facts relating to Secretary Clinton were, also, released by the Israeli MOSSAD linked news site DEBKA, who in their 31 December article titled, Hillary Clinton In Hospital Amid Speculation Of Plane Accident In Iran, wrote:

    “…around Tehran and the Gulf Emirates, debkafile was already picking up insistent rumors claiming that Clinton was seriously injured while on a secret mission in the region in the first week of December. Some claimed that in the same incident, Americans in her party – advisers and security personnel – were either injured or killed. Those rumors did not say what her secret mission was. However, the episode described occurred shortly after Dec. 1, when, as debkafile reported at the time, Obama administration officials and senior representatives of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei launched secret talks on Iran’s nuclear program.”

    Curious to note, GRU analysts say in this report, is that Obama has not acknowledged to the American people the grave nature of Secretary Clinton’s condition, despite his appearing before the American propaganda press establishment at least three times since these events occurred.

    Obama’s failure to acknowledge Secretary Clinton’s grave health situation was brought into stark relieve the other day when her daughter, Chelsea, was spotted leaving the hospital where her mother is being cared for and described as “visibly anguished”.

    Russian medical experts quoted in this GRU report state that Secretary Clinton has “more than likely” suffered what they call a Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) as a result of the plane crash and that they say is the “only reasonable explanation” for a blood clot appearing in the location between the skull and the brain.

    Interesting to note is that Obama has already selected Secretary Clinton’s replacement, and who is reported to be the present US Senator to Massachusetts, John Kerry.

    Critical to note, Russian medical experts further state in this report, is that the timeline from when Secretary Clinton was first severely injured, to when the news of her true condition was first released, suggest a “planned effort” on the part of the Obama regime to manage the true facts surrounding her health, and here eventual death, or recovery.

    To if Secretary Clinton is able to fully recover, the GRU says, is “within the realm of possibility” as modern medical advances treating TBI’s has advanced significantly, and no better care for such head injuries exists in the world outside of the US military medical establishment who have treated hundreds of thousands of similar cases over that nations over decade of war.

    What remains unknown, and which this report does not speculate upon, is to why the American people are still not allowed to know why Secretary Clinton was sent to Iran to begin with, and why the true state of her health is still being kept secret?

    http://www.eutimes.net/2013/01/obama-warned-to-prepare-for-hillary-clinton-death/

  • Fu#k Obama

    What’s Rand going to say next…..

    That next. Is Rand is going to ask if the Illinois gun ban bill that immediately started working its way through the Senate after Sandy Hook is just a coincidence?

    So you think that Obama is using Illinois to cause ‘A Reich Stag Event’ with his union thugs to ban all firearms under a declared national emergency?

    Nah….. neither do I

  • http://www.traditionalamericanmovement.com Ron8072

    Those idiots will not listen until we march on them en masse. The longer we wait, the worse it will become. Traditional Americans need to rise up in protest. Protesting the actions of the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of our representative republic. Traditional America has had enough!

  • Adi

    Just like stimulus 1, Obamacare and nuke treaty. Let’s face it: there’s no Congress anymore.

  • egd

    Sounds like the bill failed to meet the Bicameralism and Presentment requirement.

    Good grounds to challenge whether it is constitutionally enacted.

  • Jack

    Don’t expect the repubics to vote against any anti-gun bills that are sure to be making their way to our esteemed leaders who deserve our undying respect and admiration. The repubics make me almost as sick as the dems.

  • shadow

    it is time this administration and congress meet the 53% of the great U.S.A.

    Sorry, that ship sailed two months ago. Your side lost. Better luck next time.

  • shadow

    I’m Not Sure There Was Ever a Bill!

    Kentucky needs to find itself a senator who knows what is going on.

  • Sam Stone

    Taxes due by the American worker must be paid into an escrow account of your choice. Whether a bank, credit union or Simmons Bank, deposit all taxes due in lieu of payment to the IRS. No more spending.

    ObamaCare was passed in the exact same manner. Exactly. Enough is enough.

    No more.

  • Sam Stone

    Reading the first few comments, I agree but look at it this way. As an alcoholic or drug addict, these legislooters need their fix. And as any addict they need to hit rock bottom to begin to see the light. Until we hit rock bottom, which is not far, will ‘the people’ wake the hell up.

    If I am wrong, I will be glad I am prepared.

  • lynno

    Hey Mr. Shadow,you are one those 47%ers sitting in your moms basement on disability due to your unemployment ran out, isn’ your hand tired when it is held out open for so long. Your Mom is calling your dinner is ready,moocher. Oh wait you probalbly bought dinner tonght with yoour food stamp card.. Your welcome from a taxpayer.

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  • obaMAO

    “…had three minutes to make up their mind to vote on a bill they never saw…”

    The answer would seem simple to those who understand some really basic shiite – do you agree/disagree with this? I haven’t had a chance to read it yet…

    No time for that, do you agree/disagree with this?

    Well, then the answer is not no, but ef no.

  • dudley

    Listen to shadow. “Your side lost.” There’s only one side, pal.

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    #5 & #8 … Most of the people who would want to march on washington, are too busy working two jobs. However, I’m in the St. Louis area and I have a vehicle that I would be willing to load to the max with people all sharing in the cost to go. This needs to be done, but it needs to be national with big names behind it…

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  • dudley

    Oh, so Shadow knew there was a bill before Rand Paul, eh? The article makes a valid point. You are speaking out of your rear end.

  • Joshua Fears

    #4… I’m pretty sure you mean the Democratic Party. The Democrat Party isn’t the name of the party. Maybe if you want to be taken seriously, you’ll learn the names of the two major parties in the U.S. political system. It’s really not that hard. There are only 2.
    I can send you flash cards if you want.

  • myohmy

    What a sad sad state of this country has become.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    But, I was told it was somewhere online at 1:36 AM and we voted at 1:39 AM.

    Assuming this description is accurate, any senator that had the gall to vote yes on something they never read should be thrown out on their ear. This goes double for anyone that calls or considers themselves to be conservative.

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  • Look-Out

    Agree with the others who say there should be a MASSIVE, well-planned march on Washington.

    This CANNOT go on. Those jerks need to see and hear from We the People.

    Demanding THEY NOT GET PAID sounds awfully good too.

    Maybe it should take place over several days, weeks: individual Americans register/sign a petition at the capitol (then leave so others can do the same) to protest and be the VOTES AGAINST THESE BAST#(DS their fraudulent activity during our elections have denied us. Create a well-monitored trail in and out with help of DC police.

    Shutting that DYSFUNCTIONAL city/body down sounds like a damn good consequence,too.

    Let them see the TRUTH. Our VAST NUMBERS won’t lie. And we won’t take it any more! PEACEFUL, BUT DETERMINED TO GET THE TRUTH OUT.

  • Patty

    And there you have it. The scourge of Pelosi. Sounds like another backroom deal with all the fixings.

    And it was served up in 3 minutes. Fast and Furiously.

  • Highlander

    Jesus, this country is in deep trouble ….

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    #27 Look-Out…

    “Maybe it should take place over several days, weeks: individual Americans register/sign a petition at the capitol (then leave so others can do the same)”

    Absolutely fantastic idea, so it is not just a ‘mob like’ protest, but a peaceful, well planned and powerful one. MAN, this idea would take huge names backing it.

  • Patty

    Paul is looking better and better every day for 2016!

  • Highlander

    Look out, the problem is that only about 45% of the people in this country are on our side at the moment. The other 55% are delighted to see the “rich” under assault, and are anxiously awaiting to receive the spoils they’ve been promised. Of course, they will be sorely disappointed when they realize that, not only aren’t they going to get any “spoils”, but they are going to be fleeced themselves. Unfortunately, by the time they realize that, it will be too late. The power shift will have occurred, America will have become a Socialist dictatorship, and the damage will be irreversible through normal political procedures.

    I’m afraid there are some very bad times coming to this country, and although a revolution is probably inevitable, it isn’t likely to happen any time soon. Things are going to have to get far worse before they get better, and all we can do is hope that we can retain our sovereignty and keep the rest of the world’s dictators at bay until we can sort it all out …

  • Look-Out

    You’re right, TeachX3, it should have some really big names supporting it and helping to organize it.

    But yes, very peaceful.

  • Pat

    Who puts up with this BS? We do. The MSM, the Press, must be chopped down like the dead tree it is, looming over our house.

    Let a new vibrant tree grow.

  • Look-Out

    Highlander, I believe there are more that were upset and didn’t vote for this vile crew and still more are waking up/becoming more upset than we realize.

    We can begin with ads running to inform still more of truths that haven’t been reported.

    A list of grievances should be drawn up and at least one or two most citizens could agree with…maybe when we “sign in” we register which numbered grievances we agree with if we don’t want to agree with all.

    The point is, we HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. Doing nothing and trusting those politicans hasn’t worked. WE NEED TO BE HEARD. AND WE ARE PEACEFUL AND WILL TAKE EVERY MEASURE TO NOT BE DISCREDITED.

  • Nelle

    What kind of an idiot signs a legal document he/she hasn’t read? And most of them are lawyers! Surely they aren’t stupid enough to trust each other?

    I think we should demand painful cuts to their fat cushy retirement packages. Remind them who employs them, and how things are in the world outside Washington, thanks to them.

  • donh

    TAXATION…without representation. Voting on a blank piece of paper and writing the law afterwords ….and coining the counterfeit bill in the Senate where the people only get one shot every 6 years to fire the criminals .

  • Look-Out

    We take written, signed statements from friends/family that couldn’t make the trek and register/leave those with the people in charge of keeping/counting the protest VOTES.

    Something else to highlight: Our credit-rating is about the be downgraded again. This is serious. Americans need to know just how serious it is. The “hand that’s out” is gonna be empty before long.

  • cavt

    OK, let’s assume Rand is correct(which I believe he is since we have seen this before), imagine if the majority of repub senators stood up together and voted present then went on every news outlet they could and said what Rand is saying. How many Americans wouldn’t understand and agree with this position. Why can’t our side ever stand strong?

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

    ++

    still not understanding how that is possible..

    i mean, the bill didn’t fall out of the sky, ergo, either
    it’s been there for a long time, or all this other info
    is made up..

    ==

  • Patty

    154 PAGE BILL, SUPPOSEDLY.

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    Tomorrow is pay day for many Americans, yesterday was my husbands pay day… his weekly check from job one was over 20$ less… that’s 80+ bucks a month we have to learn to live without. Wait until most of America feels the pain by way of their take home pay, I hope the masses will wake up then.

  • Patty

    Senators Got 154-Page ‘Fiscal Cliff’ Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senators-got-154-page-fiscal-cliff-bill-3-minutes-voting-it

    Now what is wrong with this picture. And it takes years to get this done and watch and wait, a minute for gun control.

  • Patty

    #42 January 3, 2013 at 11:07 pm
    TeachX3 commented:

    960 dollars a year? Ours will be quite a bit more.

  • Look-Out

    Try to hear Newt’s chat with Hannity today. It was a good one, with good ideas.

  • Patty

    teach,

    I do get your point. It will hit those obama voters just as hard. Now, I’d like to see them get out that.

  • Patty

    #45 January 3, 2013 at 11:11 pm
    Look-Out commented:

    Love Newt, will try to do that.

  • BS61

    #8 January 3, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    Ron8072 commented:
    Those idiots will not listen until we march on them en masse. The longer we wait, the worse it will become. Traditional Americans need to rise up in protest. Protesting the actions of the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of our representative republic. Traditional America has had enough!

    I agree Ron – I had a stupid idiot on twitter saying that the Tea Party are wimps because it’s winter. I sent him links to the TP marching in the snow and that we were working at the local level. We need to do this.

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    #44 January 3, 2013 at 11:10 pm
    Patty commented:

    #42 January 3, 2013 at 11:07 pm
    TeachX3 commented:

    960 dollars a year? Ours will be quite a bit more.

    Patty, we are considered ‘lower middle class’ between 40 to 50k a year, so I guess it is based on amount earned. He works two jobs, we will find out tomorrow how much that check will be shorted. And THEN, omgosh, we file taxes… WOOOHOOO I bet everyone is so excited for that! /sarc

  • Highlander

    Look Out, I’m with you, but I have a hard time believing that we are in the majority anymore. Too many people who I used to think were rational, conservative people have signed on to the failed policies of the GOP and quit fighting. This last election was proof of that. I’m NEVER EVER going to give up, but at some point, we have to face the facts, make the best of the resources we have at our disposal, and try to position ourselves to ride out the coming storm. I think many people will come back into the fold when the hammer falls, but in the meantime, people are withdrawing from the fight out of fear, and to avoid being labelled as radicals or terrorists. Our opponents have waged a very successful campaign against us, and they haven’t won yet, but we are on the ropes, and I question whether protests or marches are going to be sufficient to get the job done now …

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

    ++

    a few random related links..

    Fiscal Cliff Bill Will Raise Taxes on Those
    Making $100,000 a Year By $2,000

    The fiscal cliff deal’s price tag: -$3.9 trillion or +$600 billion

    Video: Ruling Class on Track to Destroy Middle America in 2013

    Bizar-Ro-Bama

    [Obama is like a nasty, vengeful creature from Bizarro’s World, the
    cube-shaped fictional planet, in the DC Comics universe. He could
    be “Bizar-Ro-Bama,” an effeminate villain who engages in double-
    speak, lies, and misdirection.

    Clothed in his public persona as president, his latest attempt at
    disguised villainy was to convince people he has a fiscal plan that
    would save America from insolvency and crushing tax hikes when,
    in reality, his actions are pushing America into the financial abyss.

    Sunday morning on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” he told the people of
    America: “I offered not only a trillion dollars – over a trillion dollars
    in spending cuts over the next 10 years, but these changes would
    result in even more savings in the next 10 years and would solve
    our deficit problem for a decade.” This coming from the president
    who has raised the deficit by over $6 trillion since taking office.

    The problem is that the so-called Republican leadership is complicit in
    Obama’s deceit and fiscal maleficence. They conspired with Obama 16
    months ago to kick the financial can down the road knowing it would
    confront us today.]

    more at link..

    ==

  • Patty

    #49 January 3, 2013 at 11:18 pm
    TeachX3 commented:

    We are in the same bracket but I cannot say because it is too personal but we will be doing much worse if something doesn’t happen, too personal. Some horrible news today and I haven’t stop praying. And I come here for a release. Sometime I will let you know if things worked out. But Obama hasn’t helped the middle classes or done us any favors.

    I understand the pain that we all are feeling. But all I can do is pray. FOR EVERYONE.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

    ==

    re: #51 January 3, 2013 at 11:22 pm bg

    forgot to [partition] the last two paragraphs..

    ==

  • Robert

    They’ll all fold like cheap suits again in a month or so. The emergency crisis then will be whether to lift the debt ceiling before we go into default on our payments on the debt.

    And again, there will be no time to cut spending but somehow there will be time to put special spending in the bill for some favored cronies.

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    Patty, you and yours have my prayers. Whatever the situation is, hold fast to the Truth that greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.

  • Lim Lynn

    Rand Paul are you asleep most of the time before New Year being celebrated?

  • Lim Lynn

    Paul is looking better and better every day for 2016!
    @Patty
    I don’t think America can last till 2016 after your country being push towards the Fiscal Cliff and crash bottom with a large impulsive force.

  • http://yahoo Retha Miller

    Then why, why, why would the dumb asses vote yes then? Do the words I need to read it first, ever come to mind!!

  • Lim Lynn

    Wake up Rand Paul we going to see worst Commie Socialists already plan ahead of time going to confiscate after Psychiatric cooperate with Commie Socialist to dump down psychiatric drugs fake mental illness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z0wXXAkSik

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    …but we are on the ropes, and I question whether protests or marches are going to be sufficient to get the job done now …

    That’s mostly my motivation for being part of the Let-It-Burn camp. There is nothing as stark as experiencing the severe consequences of an ill-advised choice.

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  • john graham

    #60 I couldn’t agree more…..you can tell a child the stove is hot a hundred times….but until he burns himself/herself they wont understand it…..Let It Burn…..we will pick up the pieces after chaos…

  • American Woman

    #23, Fearful, Progressive Fool, it is you that needs the flashcards.

    FYI: Democrat Party (epithet) – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    “Democrat Party” is a political epithet used in the United States for the Democratic Party. The term has been used in negative or hostile fashion by conservative …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_%28phrase%29

  • Navy Seal

    I think everyone posting on GP needs to google this & learn what Obama is trying to do.. bg I hope your still up.. Very important. Google Bilderburg & read what’s going on..

  • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/index.php RickZ

    #12 shadow commented:

    it is time this administration and congress meet the 53% of the great U.S.A.

    Sorry, that ship sailed two months ago. Your side lost. Better luck next time.

    It’s always good to see a progressive moron admit that America lost, because that’s the side I’m on.

    You, on the other hand, are on the side of anti-Constitution totalitarian thugs who are doing great harm to this Country.

    There can be no reconciliation between these two opposing viewpoints. I want Freedom from the reaches of a tyrannical government, you want that government to be as tyrannical as possible because you think it won’t come back to bite you in the @ss.

    The Founders knew Government is not to be trusted, and enshrined the 2nd Amendment for the of purpose allowing citizens to have the ability to defeat such tyranny, killing the totalitarian thugs. That’s the 2nd Amendment, and that is just what you want to take away from the citizenry: The ability to fight back against oppressive government and its oppressive policies. You want the country to be populated by slaves*; I want a country of Free Men.

    * Considering the Dimmocrap history of racism, slavery, Jim Crow, and all the other historical facts Dimms like to ignore, it makes sense that you want slavery. Old habits in the Dimmocrap Party die hard.

  • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/index.php RickZ

    #33 Look-Out commented:

    You’re right, TeachX3, it should have some really big names supporting it and helping to organize it.

    But yes, very peaceful.

    Fukc peaceful. Do you think OwebamaCare’s ‘peaceful’ what with its death panels? Do you think the rush to grab guns is ‘peaceful’? Do you think racking up debt like Willy Mosconi racked up billiard balls is ‘peaceful’? This government is doing every evil thing it can rush to do, including passing bills which nobody reads. There’s nothing peaceful about Owebama, Pelousy, Dingy Hairy and the rest of the Progressive Political-Media Complex.

    BTW, we tried the peaceful route back in September, 2009, where over a million marched on Washington protesting OwebamaCare. What did that get us besides the du jour cries of racism? These totalitarian thugs only understand one thing: Violence directed at their tyrannical persons.

    Like I said, fukc peaceful.

    /Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

  • skoolgurl

    none of them have a backbone to step outside the group and say hey, this isn’t right. They had ten years to work on this and because their lives are so much more important; plus to busy spending WE THE PEOPLE’S money and enjoying life on easy street, but making sure the people keep adding to the pot that when they actually had to sit down and do the work they should have already been working on, they don’t even bother making sure that it was done legally or constitutionally…why should they care…they are exempt from everything. I think you all have a great idea . . but realistically, won’t change a thing…they will all just hide behind closed doors and I know that there are a lot of people struggling to just get by and can’t afford to miss any work and reduce take home pay; big brother isn’t helping us out now…don’t think they would step in and help out then! But good luck to ya if it does happen!! Crappy attitude, I know but as someone already said. . . we are doomed!!

  • jorgen

    Take a good look at your guns and money and be prepared to wave goodbye to them.

  • http://Gatewaypundit Jim

    Sideshow, either you dont get it or u one stupid agitating jerk. Obviously u know better so ill choose the latter to describe u. Just for kcks even if there was a bill the half breed soetoro still violated his transparancy pdge didnt he? Take away the fraud,illega votes ADD the military vote that should have been this n imposter would have been toast. Barry soetoro,bountel,davis whoever this fraud is should be arrested and tried for treason. This oreo cant even pass an e-verify check. This dumb muslim sob is intent on spendig his way into the history books. Everything about this jugearred imposter is suspect to further enlightenment. Soetoro will be a victim of his own arrogance soon enough. This feministic sham of a real man (yeah bes a homo too) will soon be outed and he will only wish it was for being just a little light in those goofy muslim sandals. Oh yeah i dont do typos if your to stupid to figure it out your the perfect low info barrybot!

  • http://none tommy mc donnell

    first they pass laws they don’t read(obamacare i.e.)now they pass laws that don’t even exist. i think they call that dictatorship.

  • Judester

    Where’s the rule that says you must vote when it comes up? Same thing happened with the health care bill and Nancy said we have to pass it to find out what’s in it. BRILLIANT! You people in Congress are in charge and you come up with excuses that sound like a kid begging for candy. We are in this mess because you put us in this mess, nobody else did it. Get off your thumbs and do something about it, we’re tired of your excuses. We out here are well aware that you will be financially ok for the rest of your life but by God we can do something about the power you all crave.

  • Kissmygrits

    Unbelievable. Our govt is now voting on something that they have no clue about. This is not doing the job they were elected to do. I’ll bet the House is run the same way.

  • CLO1967

    It doesn’t surprise me in the least that it was only online for only minutes before they were told to vote on it, that is how they seem to pass all the bills they want to slip by the American people that might not like what is it the bill. Just like obamacare that a majority of Americans were screaming we didn’t want any part of as we sped read through the 2,000 plus pages that no one in Congress had time to read either, but yet slammed a vote though in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve when not many were watching it happen. But you can expect this kind of sneakiness to go on for the next four years. Unless they can slip a bill by the people that declares obama our dictator-king and our right to vote has been revoked! God help us then.

  • shadow

    It’s always good to see a progressive moron admit that America lost, because that’s the side I’m on.

    Ah, yes. Mom, baseball and apple pie, truth, justice and the American way.

    You, on the other hand, are on the side of anti-Constitution totalitarian thugs who are doing great harm to this Country.

    I have no doubt that is the way you see it. People don’t just have opposing points of view. No, people you don’t think like you do are evil.

    That’s the 2nd Amendment, and that is just what you want to take away from the citizenry:

    Wow. I didn’t know that. Thanks for telling me what I think.

  • shadow

    Nancy said we have to pass it to find out what’s in it.

    Another right-wing myth.

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  • Limousine Barry

    What? You didn’t see the bill? Too bad! Ha-ha!

    That is the whole idea behind my “Cram-down Pork Bill!” You are not supposed to see it! You are supposed to just sign it, bend over, grab your ankles and take it up the tailpipe!

    Let me be clear, I will negotiate about how much Al Gore should get for his crappy TV station but, I will not have a debate with this Congress about my Cram-down Pork Bill! My Cronies and I need to buy votes!

    I have get back on my Jumbo Jet and fly back to Hawaii where I can relax and smoke weed. Sure, the trip alone will cost $7,000,000.00 excluding fuel costs but the stupid Taxpayer’s are paying for it. Why should I care?

    My enormous pig of a Jumbo Jet is spewing fumes and David Axelrod has a new scam to shake down gun owners. It’s a variation of Cram-down bill scam. I cannot go into details. My Guns-4-Mexican Gangs backfired. And, No! Hillary and I will not be available to testify about the Benghazi massacre! I will not have a debate about it! Good day

  • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/index.php RickZ

    # 74 Shadow:

    Another right wing myth?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To

    (It’s only 5 seconds, so I can safely say that you can take some time out of your ultra busy, progressive day to hear the truth. But your ears are stuffed with more wax than Odyseeus’ were by his crew. The difference is, you love the siren song of Owebama, which is now crashing America upon the rocks of crushing debt.)

    # 74 shadow commented

    Ah, yes. Mom, baseball and apple pie, truth, justice and the American way.

    You have a problem with that, or are you just a turd fukcer?

    I have no doubt that is the way you see it. People don’t just have opposing points of view. No, people you don’t think like you do are evil.

    I want to be left alone by the Government. You are proud of wanting the Government up everybody’s @ss. What an @ss. There is no compromise on this issue which is why there will be bloodshed. Freedom vs. Tyranny, an old story which has been played out again and again. But I’m sure you’re as ignorant of History as you are of current events.

    I will also add that I can see why you are a knobslobberer for Owebama: You lie as easily as King Putt does.

  • Tom

    I am really tired of the people complaining about what Congress does. Remarks are made about throwing them in jail, etc. Why should they be thrown in jail for what we do? Don’t understand? Let me explain. They did not just now do something wrong for the first time. Their behavior has been going on for a long time and we all know exactly what they do. They care not for the nation and it’s people, but instead for the power and money. But, the fault belongs to the people, because we tell them that we like what they do. How is that, you say? We reelect 95%-98% of them each election. We, the people, evidently just like to fusss, but not take action and do something about what we fuss about. When we reelect them, we are telling them that they are doing a good job. Put yourself in their shoes. If you kept getting elected, time after time, would you not think that the people were pleased with the job you do? So, you would keep doing it. If the people were not so stupid they would realize the only way to get the nation on the right track is to get a new Congress and president. Give them one term to get it right. If they didn’t, send them packing and get a new Congress and President agains. This time they would understand that the people meant business. But, that is going to happen because the people are too stupid.

  • Time

    There are no parties anymore. There are no more elected officials anymore. There are few and far between that actually believe in what their oath means. This is all show. There is and never again will be We The People. Every one must under stand this. It is over. The once United we stand bull is done. We are no longer a represented nation. These men and woman that sit up on the hil are exactly that, sit up on the hill, over looking the rest of us, down on us. They do not represent any of us. Only dictate to us, what it is they want you and I to follow, obey. Do as I say, not as I do. Please realize this every last one of you. We as a free nation is over. You are unable to write, speak, change any thing that these people do. How many letters, calls have all of you written ? Millions. They fall on deaf ears, or are thrown in the waste bin. They are not read or adhered to. They are not listening, they do not care to listen and they do not have to listen to any of us. They have the government to back their every move. These people feel gifted, enriched and safe within their comfort zones. They do not give a hoot who you are, what you want or what the laws are. They will continue to break them, write them and force you to live by them. They will continue to live their esteemed life styles up on that hill they build higher and higher and will adventurely grow into a mountain. Where no one will ever be able to reach it. Secluded from all us servants.

  • gogaited

    I am enraged.

  • olm

    I fear 79, 80 and 81 are exactly how I feel.
    74 is just the majority of low information voters who are ok with all of this. There obviously are many.
    I don’t know what can be done but the march on Washington might be a good start. Soon. We won’t have anything left very shortly.

  • Jules Karasik

    What do you expect.. The inmates are running the Country!!

  • Cee

    We need a bunch of people who know the difference between a “need” and a “want”.

    This definitely shows the need for term limits (I am down to one only) and the elimination of the “political class” whose primary interest is the next election. I am also about eliminating the political dynasties that seem to be growing – and am definitely against any more Chicago style thuggery ward shenanigans.

  • FMB42

    The public assistance side won the ability to cling onto their dependent lifestyles for a while longer.

    The rest of us non-public assistance reliant adults will continue to make it in life despite what our dependency promoting government does. Remember, governments have long used excessive dependency as a means of controlling their subjects. Our current government is no different.

    Governments promote dependence because they know that those who are financially reliant on public assistance have little or no choice but to agree with anything their beloved government does. Sadly, this “bread and circus” control tactic has been used by countless governments for thousands of years.

    The devastating problem for those on public assistance is that eventually it either dries up or the entire economy collapses.

    No amount of liberal propaganda can change these facts.

  • RWGinger

    Rand is a Senator, not under Boehner who is in the House

    #7
    the Ill gun ban passed the ILl STATE senate committee
    NOT the US Senate

  • shadow

    Hey Mr. Shadow,you are one those 47%ers sitting in your moms basement Blah, blah, blah …

    That’s what you would like to think. All cut and dried … black and white. Fact is, I would be shocked if I don’t pay more in taxes than you ever did.

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  • shadow

    Another right wing myth?
    Yup! Sure is! Here is what Judester claimed she said:
    Nancy said “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it.”

    While here is what she actually said:
    “We have to pass the health care bill so that you (the American People) can find out what is in it.”

    If you can’t see the difference, you’re more ingnorant than I thought an ideal right-winger.

    There is no compromise on this issue which is why there will be bloodshed.
    Go for it. You’ll be real popular in the big house.

  • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/index.php RickZ

    Shadow, the bottom line is none of your heroes whores in the Democrat Party ever read the OwebamaCare Bill before voting on it. Same thing happened with the recent Senate fiscal bill. When lawmakers pass laws that they do not know what they contain, that is the definitin of Tyranny.

    Oh, and it’s we conservatives who have the guns, and why you progressives want to conficate them or make law abiding citizens criminal. That’s another feature of progressive rule, the concept that if you make everybody a criminal, they can be arrested at leisure.

    Ever read Jefferson by any chance? Madison? Washington? Curious. Because if you had, you would know The Founders wanted the 2nd Amendment so that free people could remove, with extreme prejudice, politicians who become tyrannical, just like the Thug-in-Chief. It was Washington who said the 2nd Amendment gives Liberty’s Teeth to the 1st. If the government, on a whim, can erase a Right listed in the Bill of Rights, they can take away anything, including your right as a moron to speak out. But I’m sure thinking that far out is beyond your comprehension. I’d also bet you’ve never heard the phrase that Freedom is ever only one generation away from evaporating and being lost. Well, now we have that generation, your generation, The Free Shyt Army generation.

    You really have no idea of the history of our Republic, of the discussions that created simply the greatest governance document in the History of Man, the U.S. Constitution. But you see, you hate the Constitution, like all good proglibtards. In my not so humble opinion, any congressbastard who votes for a bill without reading it is guilty of Treason to the Constitution. Treason. A word we never seem to use anymore. But Democrats are treaonous. If not, why else sneak bills through without deliberation? The Democrats seek to rule us serfs by Executive Order whim and fiat, as if that’s a good thing. Remember, the Constitution created gridlock as a feature, not a bug.

    But I think you have no knowledge of anything, only reguritate that which you read on proggie sites.

  • shadow

    When lawmakers pass laws that they do not know what they contain, that is the definitin of Tyranny.

    The Founders wanted the 2nd Amendment so that free people could remove, with extreme prejudice, politicians who become tyrannical, just like the Thug-in-Chief.

    If Obama were the tyrant you claim him to be, there would have been no need for even having a vote, this week, or last November. And the problem with your “2nd Amendment solution” is you deem any anyone who disagrees with you politically, a traitor.

    You may also want to reign in your practice of telling people what they believe.

  • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/index.php RickZ

    Shadow, I tried. You’re just an @ss, a liberal idiotic @ss. Treason is to the Constitution, not to me. And Owebama is a racist, commie rat bastard thug. Get used to it.

    The shyt will hit the fan soon and I’m as ready as I’m going to be. Can you say the same? Or will you rely on the police with their evil guns to protect your worthless @ss? Good luck with that. A gun in the hand is worth a cop on the phone. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away, if they come at all.

    You rely on and beg for governmental authority for some strange reason. I guess because you do not have a single original thought in your head of mush must be it, you being an indoctrinated product of the new and improved lack of education system.

    One more time: Have you ever read anything by the men who fought for and founded this country? The Federalist Papers? Hell, the Constitution (it’s only about 20 pages, or .75% of the OwebamaCare Law)? 20 pages for the Constitution versus 2700 pages for a bill now law nobody read. I notice you haven’t addressed this problem of voting for bills totally unread, either, as a matter of fact you do not answer anything from your own mind ’cause, well, you have to have one to use one. And that’s why Sir Golfsalot, the Vacationer-in-Chief, loves you. He’s totally manipulated you (or you allowed yourself to be manipulated, but again that’s a sign of a weak mind), and you are so happy with that manipulation.

    I simply cannot fathom how anyone can have such blind faith in Big Daddy, Uncle Sugar Government as you seem to possess.

  • averagemelon

    We out-number them.

    Until we realize there are no laws at all just phantoms of laws, we will keep ourselves from destroying them. But, I fear, the day is coming fast and they know it. They are trying to disarm us as fast as possible…..but it won’t work. I know the whole world will join them to try and defeat us but they will still fail: we have the ultimate weapon that they can never possess.

  • CLO1967

    #79-#80 Tom… I am in total agreement with what you had to say for what I read of it.. I live in California the experimental state of the liberal ideals & laws that U S Congress passes eventually. Unless it is successful, then Calif. lawmakers tax and regulate it until the experiment fails. The days that our voices & votes actually mattered to anyone in politics are over & a thing of our beloved past, before we were taken over by traitors. The last 2 election cycles, everyone of the 53 House of Reps up for election, (amazingly) got re-elected. When the votes were so close to call, I think they happened to find more in a trunk somewhere to get the incumbent the win. The only way they changed Reps was if they weren’t running or just quit so they wouldn’t have to run. Same with our state propositions, any tax on the working few or any entitlement program our state congress gives to the lazy bums here– gets the votes to pass even though the people we talk to, all vote against any tax increase or high-speed-rail nightmare ideas. I have lost the faith that we the people still have voices here. We can yell & scream in our congressmen/women ears & they still wouldn’t hear us. Any the calls we make go in the round file & emails get an auto-response back to your email, saying, “thank you for your concerns and I will keep that in mind when I go to vote on the (name any bill here).” I know this because I sent letters to my district representative & both state senators, and got the same answer from all 3 -word for word. Go figure…

  • Look-Out

    Don’t think for a minute this administration doesn’t know it’s outnumbered. And hasn’t planned accordingly. They took care of the election. And that’s just the beginning of the evil.

    How sad and pathetic is the life of a shadow that takes its little pot shots and won’t be honest probably even with itself. Because it’s beyond obvious this is an administration that DECEIVES UNCEASINGLY and makes promises it never plans to keep.

    Like “transparency.” From the mouth of a liar extraordinare.

  • shadow

    And Owebama is a racist, commie rat bastard thug. Get used to it.
    And the President of this country for another four years. Get used to it.

    The shyt will hit the fan soon and I’m as ready as I’m going to be. Can you say the same?
    Stop by late some night and find out.

    A gun in the hand is worth a cop on the phone. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away, if they come at all.

    And many other tired clichés.

    I notice you haven’t addressed this problem of voting for bills totally unread,
    I don’t know that it is a problem that they have, or merely a right-wing talking point.

  • shadow

    How sad and pathetic is the life of a shadow

    Not at all. I find you people a hoot. Always looking for the next thing to be agitated about. That, my friend, is pathetic and sad. And it will remain that way for you, because that is the way you want it.

  • Look-Out

    You’re lying again… You find us “a hoot”…?

    Many of us, I’m sure, live surrounded by people such as you, shadow, who either get it and are lying to advance an evil agenda or are uninformed and totally clueless about what will soon hit them.

    We don’t come here looking to get “agitated.”

    We do express our frustrations, however, and welcome knowing there are others who share our values. And hope that, somehow, together we can change things.

    I really can’t imagine why you spend time here unless you’ve been hired to distract from an unfavorable post re BHO and/or try to discredit the truths posted by commenters or the commenter himself. I hold out only a tiny hope you’re one who deep down questions your faith in BHO and therefore might be here to find a measure of sanity that’s nonexistent on the Left.

    You didn’t respond to my speculation you lie to yourself. Nor do you discuss the lies Obama tells. I don’t think Truth is your friend, shadow. And nothing’s sadder or more pathetic than that.

  • shadow

    I don’t think Truth is your friend, shadow.

    That’s bacause you think you have all the answers, and those that disagree are not being honest. Feel free to point any “lies” I might tell, but be ready to back it up with more than opinion.

    Oh, and I don’t think I lie to myself any more than you believe you do, but for each of us, the view from the other side may look quite different.

  • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/index.php RickZ

    #96 shadow commented:

    I notice you haven’t addressed this problem of voting for bills totally unread,

    I don’t know that it is a problem that they have, or merely a right-wing talking point.

    Good gawd, you’re denser than Pelosium! You don’t think voting for bills unread is not a problem? As I asked twice already, ever read anything from the founding period? Any-fukcing-thing or are you too smart for such trivial nonsense like actually reading?

    Stupidity should not be a lifestyle choice but with the Free Shyt Army, I guess stupidity is ingrained.

    You really really hate this country. Might I suggest a lovely communist country like North Korea? Let’s face it, there are plenty of totalitarian regimes around the world which could make you happy in your communist comfort zone.

  • Arnonerik

    The American people have been raped (again) by Congress with the Democrat and Republican Establishment playing the good cop, bad cop routine that they do so well. It was definitely rape even though many Americans believe it was consensual as a result of the lies being blown in their ears by the complicit media who was, in effect, holding the politicians clothes while they screwed the American people for generations to come

  • Look-Out

    You’re very careful, shadow, to avoid talking about the obvious lies BHO tells. There, you know you can’t win.

    He plays word/head games just as you do to avoid being honest and straightforward. It’s a real evil thing. Disrespectful both of onesself and others. I think an objective person would see that those of us here who are conservatives try as best we can to be both honest with ourselves and with others. We’re not out to deceive others. We offer our heartfelt opinions.

    If we wanted to be less than forthright and play games, we wouldn’t stay on conservative sites with others who agree with us. Instead, we’d travel to the opposition’s threads and play the games you play.

    It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the soul. I hope one day you decide you’d rather work for what seeks the light than that which prefers the shadows. I’d gladly welcome you as my friend.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

    ++

    hey transparent one, aka, shadow..

    Fluke You..

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    shadow

    re: [telling people what they believe]

    always said it was a religion by definition, now it is..

    so what happens to separation of church & state when it no doubt
    arrives on the USA scene (not that it hasn’t been here unofficially for
    quite some time as it is)??

    rotf 😆 mbo!!

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re:#104 January 4, 2013 at 9:19 pm bg

    oh yeah, or what not to believe.. 😆

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  • Look-Out
  • Look-Out

    Obama’s 65 Outrageous Lies —

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c&NR=1&feature=endscreen

    (they’re numbered and fast…JUST HIS WORDS YOU WILL HEAR HIM SAY)

  • AuntieMadder

    They should have refused to vote or pulled a Kenya Boy by simply voting “present.”

  • Look-Out

    Obama’s Tax Promise gets questioned…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56c1fSdTAWI&NR=1&feature=endscreen

    (Bonus remark at 1:15-1:26)

  • http://teachx3sblog.wordpress.com/ TeachX3

    Look-Out … I enjoy your comments, they are patient, dignified, intelligent and respectful.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: Look-Out #107 January 4, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    February 22, 2012

    Obama proposes cutting corporate tax rate to 28% from 35%

    could list 64 more, but i tire.. 😉

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  • Look-Out

    TeachX3, I appreciate your very generous comment…
    but you must have missed my slip-ups!
    Those I always regret.

    And how often, I can’t count, it’s been your comments
    that comfort me in knowing there are others whose values
    and faith I share. So glad you’re here on these threads.
    It gives me hope we’ll all get through this.

  • Look-Out

    Good for you, bg (#111)!
    If anyone could name 1000 more, it’d be you —

    Speaking of fatigue…I’ve been on this machine for waaay too many hours
    and my eyes are killing me. Should hit the sack or at least give it a rest.

    So this may be good night, dear friends —
    Lord willing, we gather again tomorrow.

  • Highlander

    Great comment Look Out …

    “If we wanted to be less than forthright and play games, we wouldn’t stay on conservative sites with others who agree with us. Instead, we’d travel to the opposition’s threads and play the games you play.”

    I’ve said essentially the same thing to dozens of trolls…. “I don’t troll KOS all day, why do you come here?”

    I think they really enjoy bullying and insulting people. I consider myself to be an open, caring person, and I’m guessing that you are as well, but unlike you, I wouldn’t welcome that jerk as a friend. I have a strong sense of self-preservation, and you just can’t trust bullies or parasites … one way or another, they will always try to hurt you, use you, or suck you dry.

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  • http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.org/index.php RickZ

    #114 Highlander commented:

    I’ve said essentially the same thing to dozens of trolls…. “I don’t troll KOS all day, why do you come here?”

    Simple answer: You couldn’t troll KOS all day — you’d be banned by the site after a couple of posts.

    Here, libiot posts pretty much stay up, no matter how obnoxious and horribly wrong (i.e., full of lies) those posts are.

    Conservatives believing in that free speech thing again, while lefties do not.

    And yes, I know web sites are private and no free speech can be expected. But it is funny how liberal sites are quick with the banhammer for commenters who post truths which the libiots choose to deliberately ignore so — BURN THE HERETIC WITCH! Can’t pry open a closed liberal mind even with a crowbar, although the crowbar might have some use until Congress decides that Big Crowbar is responsible for hurting people and bans them.

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  • shadow

    Look-Out

    You speak to me about objectivity, but then offer two Republican campaign videos as evidence of Obama’s broken promises. Do believe they are particularly objective. Would you accept an DNC commercial at face value?

    Do I believe that Obama has broken promises? Of course. Has he said things that aren’t completely factual. I’d be less than honest if I could not admit that. I just don’t believe he is the devil, or the anti-christ, or out to destroy America.

  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    shadow #118 January 5, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    LOL TW, the vids contents are “Obama’s own spoken words”,
    are you saying because a presumed to be Republican posted
    the vids that Obama LYING about HIS LIES?? 😯

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    shadow #118 January 5, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    re: [I just don’t believe he is [..] out to destroy America]

    he also promised to:

    “fundamentally transform the United States of America”

    if that alone is not transparent, nothing is,

    Breaking The War Mentality

    March 10, 1983
    by Barack Obama

    [In 1933 the German establishment thought it could use Hitler to restore a modicum of order to the confused and confusing Weimar Republic. In fact, Hitler did strengthen the German establishment, but not exactly in the way the bankers and businessmen had wanted; and now, fifty years later, it is clear who was using whom. Nevertheless, the Western World did not complain in 1933 because Hitler, though a fascist and a totalitarian, was seen, like countless American puppet dictators today, as someone who leaves the established order in place.

    [..]

    Consequently. the thrust of ARA is towards generating dialogue
    which will give people a rational handle on this controversial subject.
    this includes bringing speakers like Daniel ElIsberg to campus, publishing
    fact sheets compiled by interested faculty, and investigating the possible
    development of an interdisciplinary program in the Columbia curriculum
    dealing with peace, disarmament, and ‘world order’.]

    scroll thread for more, also a bit more here
    and here, in connecting links and threads..

    to be continued..

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: #120 January 5, 2013 at 2:45 pm bg continued..

    Breaking Free From The Constitution

    January 18, 2001
    by Barack Obama

    [Mr. Obama’s comments take a turn from discussing the historical
    record. Unprovoked he laments that the Supreme Court “could not
    break free from the essential constraints placed by the Founding
    Fathers in the Constitution.” He further describes the Constitution
    as “a charter of negative liberties.” This is at odds with the preamble
    to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.]

    bit more in connecting links & threads..

    THE CLOWARD-PIVEN STRATEGY :: SOCIAL
    CHANGE THROUGH ORCHESTRATED CRISIS

    [First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists
    Richard Andrew Cloward and his wife Frances Fox Piven (today Piven is
    an honorary chair for the Democratic Socialists of America), the “Cloward
    -Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the
    government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing
    society into crisis and economic collapse.
    ]

    you don’t?? 😯

    btw, he most certainly is not doing all of this by himself,
    no way, he ha numerous strings attached to monies via
    the powers that be (ie: Rockefeller’s, supporters Mao &
    a NWO, founders of Unions & ACORN just for instance)..

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  • http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ bg

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    re: #121 January 5, 2013 at 2:46 pm bg

    he ha = he has

    but hey he haw fits as well..

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