Hmm… Shock Claim: Obama Only Wants Military Leaders Who ‘Will Fire on U.S. Citizens’

Dr. Jim Garrow, the author of The Pink Pagoda: One Man’s Quest to End Gendercide in China, made the following claim on Facebook this week that is getting a whole lot of attention.
The Examiner reported:

On Monday, renowned author and humanitarian Dr. Jim Garrow made a shocking claim about what we can expect to see in Obama’s second term.

Garrow made the following Facebook post:

I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.

So, who is the source?

Garrow replied: “The man who told me this is one of America’s foremost military heroes.”

Hmm… It’s a stretch to believe Obama would want to fire on all US citizens. But, if Garrow is just talking about Republicans he might be on to something. It would be interesting to hear who his source was for the post.

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  • ★FALCON★

    A caller to the Warroom made these same allegations a few weeks ago. He didn’t say lot and couldn’t reveal all he knew – but he did indicate that something nefarious is coming.

  • luckyone

    This is how Obama will claim his Dictatorship. He will never leave willingly.

  • cavt

    Never heard of Garrow and this is just hard to believe except it does follow with the dictators constant war on conservatives. Dictators words and actions do bring this claim into the realm of possibility.

  • brian

    At what level is this happening? All the way down to major or just at the general level? No reason to go nuts over this until it’s truly substantiated.

    Btw this would be an argument for universal military service compared with the current professional military. Worst case is the professional military is turned into an arm of the government instead of an organization made up of “citizen soldiers”.

  • Kate

    The GOP of course. Get rid of arms of the citizens and then full steam ahead. Following fellow despots’ course of taking over. And then, the media will be right along pushing Obama’s agenda. Eventually, it will come back to bite them when “journalists” and I use the term loosely, start being jailed for not promoting Obama’s ideas in the manner to which he had become accustomed. Of course, then, it will be too late. However, I will never believe that our military will ever fire on American citizens.

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  • ★FALCON★

    @ Brian – Obama’s crew already relieved Carter Ham and a few others for attempting to assist those in Benghazi.

    If you go to the DHS Website under purchase orders – or to the Congressional Appropriations – you will find all of the items DHS has purchased.

    Everyone already knows about the billions of rounds of ammo – however, most do not know about the bullet proof check point booths, nor the other items at seem to have earmarks for Americans.

    Personally, I don’t believe Obama is to be trusted with any power, even limited.

  • King

    Most of the upper brass are politicians scurrying for advancement. Killing civilians won’t be a problem for them.

  • Rob Crawford

    Don’t know the source so I cannot judge it on those merits, but the root problem with this theory is how idiotic a policy it would be. How do you test someone for the willingness to commit treason? The moment you broach the subject, they have a handle on YOU. Arguably, a patriot would go along with them long enough to gather information and expose it. Or betray them at the last moment.

  • Sam Stone

    An American Spring and the forced removal of the leader is in order. Obama supported the same in Libya and Egypt. It is good for us as well.

  • donh

    This ” stunt ” by convicted felon VA assemblyman Joe Morrissey… brandishing an assault weapon on the house floor with finger on the trigger is a GLIMPSE at things to come. …> http://www.barking-moonbat.com/images/uploads/virginia_idiot_(D).jpg

    We will wake up one day soon and these mafia thug politicians will come to the floor in hoodies and black trench coats to gun down the evil racist people who want to ” put y’all back in chains ” ” starve your granny ” “poison the children ” and take us ” backwards “…DEATH to those standing in the way of the long march ” Vorwartz ” …….Then Abby Huntsman and Megan McCain will be on CNN snickering in fiendish delightful laughter as the whole media joins in the mob applause of Obama’s final solution to a ” broken system “

  • Koenig Jojo

    Its a stretch? Have you read NDAA? How about Al-Awlakis 16 yr old son being vaporized? I know it is hard to process, but why do you think they are going after guns so hard? That leads to a dark place, but so does the Fed monetizing debt. Fiat currency has run its course.

  • Servo1969

    I don’t believe it’s a stretch at all.
    His second presidency is, in his mind, the result of all the civil rights marches and protests for the last 50 years.
    He is the one. He is the lightbringer.
    He’s going to set things right. He’s going to put things in their place.
    He’s wide open now. He’s going to go for it.
    Some people will not like it. Some people will resist.
    He wants to know he can count on the military if push comes to shove.
    And he may be forced to push.
    Oh yes.

  • ★FALCON★

    @ Koenig Jojo – why is it hard to process? That’s the historical trend of the leftists.

    Get elected or over-throw the government in a coup – and then eliminate the opposition.

    It’s a two step process, nothing more.

  • Bobby Tucker

    Republicans are already in a circular formation. Obama is just giving the go-ahead.

  • Another Bob

    So somewhere around 75 to 100 million gun owners. 400,000 or so active duty military. Many of them will not fire on Americans. So the commies still have a problem. But they are working on it.

  • Misha Prepelitski

    Getting rid of some military leaders should make the deficit hawks happy.

  • surfin’ bird

    A politically correct military is a sign of bad times.

    http://militarytimes.com/projects/air/health-welfare-findings

  • He’ll be going full Chavez it seems

    Well at least Sean Penn will be happy, no more elections I guess…

  • ice

    Back in the late 70’s I had communication with some people in law enforcement. These individuals were talking about the future of America and how there was an individual embedded deeply with the Democrats that was leaking them information. This ‘leak’ spoke about the future intentional bankrupting of America, dis-arming of Americans, and bringing us into the International community.
    The ‘leak’ communicated to these law enforcement individuals that the big concern with those planning this were aware of civil up risings, and that an armed America would be dangerous to their plans. The ‘leak’ stated the biggest concern would be that the ‘planners’ would need troops and law enforcement that would be willing to fire upon Americans. Their plan for this was to brining foreign troops to American soil by calling them law enforcement, and creating troops that would be loyal to the International plan. And if American troops were not willing participants then they would need to be deployed off of American soil to foreign battles, thus removing them from either offensive or defensive implimintation of the plan.
    William Ayers wrote about this in his book back in the late 60’s. December 2009, the President issued an Executive Order calling for Canadian Troops on American soil to put down Civil up-risings. January 2010, the President issued an Executive order allowing Interpol (International Police) to come and go on American soil with complete immunity from domestic law, granting them the right to detain and extradite off of American soil without informing any American law enforcement, no American law enforcement can search/detain/or review what they have, and called for Interpol to set up bases on American soil.
    And it was the President that called for and spoke of a Civilian Security Force that would be larger and better armed than the military. Of course we have that, it’s called the 2nd Amendment. However, the Civilian Security Force he was referring to would be loyal to him, not to the Constitution.

  • CardiClan

    So, is this the real reason for removing General Jim Mattis of Cent Com? I think the Obama Administration sees this window of opportunity and they are going for it. I think we’re going to see blood shed in the streets soon. This man is evil personified. Charming on the outside, evil through and through.

  • Mannie

    I think it’s a stretch. It’s more of a stretch to believe that the military would be used on US Citizens. But the fact that this has legs, that it isn’t laughed off the floor, is a very good indicator of how distrusted The Treasonous Criminal Zerobama is. It indicates broad acceptance of the concept that he is capable of this.

    It may be a stretch, but we still must maintain the means to defend Liberty. Molon Labe.

  • Marmo

    Of course, the important question to ask is “Will the soldiers follow a command to shoot U.S. citizens?” I’m pretty sure they are taught not to obey a command from a superior if the command is illegal.

  • serfer62

    Most officers will side with the govorment in excuting Americans and almost all starred officers will anyway.

    The big IF are the ranks and I doubt that they will comply

  • RL

    To Quote from someone who’s lived it:

    “Today’s American intellectuals are retracing the steps of their Soviet predecessors in the early days of the socialist dictatorship. Having had hopes to see the workers’ paradise in their lifetime, many came to regret their misguided enthusiasm, as they themselves fell victim to the popular illusions they helped to induce, when a mere slip of a tongue, a drunken remark, or an accusation by someone in the new generation of socialist intellectuals who wanted to take their job, wife, or apartment, led them to be lumped with any of the large assortment of the thoroughly demonized and dehumanized ‘enemies of the people.’ ”

    “In a society shaped by the government’s mind games of manipulative illusions, a dissenter sticks out like a sore thumb. Once the resistance has been demonized, its members will be quickly identified and denounced by the compliant citizenry, labeled as the enemy, and be dealt with by law enforcement.”

    “This is what made it easy for Stalin to purge his opponents: by the time he charged them with treason, the orchestrated media coverage had already made them universally hated.”

    – OlegAtbashian http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/the_collectivist_mind_game_part_2 and “_part1”

  • Tee Dub

    Christ! Don’t you get it! He’ll push the America’s Right and the gun owners until they show up in armed protest – then he’ll start shooting. The media will back him up for facing the “terrorists”. Obama WANTS a Tiananmen Square for the US.

  • Arnold

    IS THE REAL LITMUS TEST OF A GOOD SOLDIER IS THE REALIZATION OF ITS MORAL DUTY TO FIRE ON OBAMA AND DEMOGANGSTERS?

    As reported in Chicago Jish News, “Obama is the first Jish President.” See:

    http://www.chicago jewish news dot com slash story.htm?id=252218&sid=212226

    http://www period ifamericansknew period org/us_ints/po-obamaj.html

    Also see, “How the Juice took the White House” at:

    http://www.real Zionist news dot com slast ?p=461

    We must remember that Obama is an illegal alien and the cases against him have all been fixed by the Juice lobby. He is a Manchurian President, owned and operated by his Jish masters. They have installed this scum bag to steal trillions of dollars and to destroy Whites and America by proxy.

    The litmus test of an independent and moral soldier is the extreme desire to fire on Obama, an illegal alien posing as President, a criminal who has trespassed into the White House, aided and abetted by a corrupt Judiciary.

    Only when the Army will stand up and rebel, will Obama and the Demogangsters will feel that people had had it and then and only then they will stop their crime spree against the nation.

  • RKflorida

    It’s not a stretch at all Jim. Obama knows what the push for taking the guns from the citizens will result in, and he is doubling down and pushing governors and mayors to enact unbelievable restrictions on the 2nd amendment rights of the citizens.

    The comments from the entire spectrum of the left is clear, if you can’t disarm the gun nuts, kill them. This is not an evolving meme, it is a scheduled action.

  • Anono

    Is this Alex Jones or GWP?

  • great unknown

    Frightening if true, but not without precedent. American troops fired on American citizens under Washington [the Whiskey Rebellion] and Lincoln [Draft Riots]. Since our Fearless Leader thinks of himself as on that level, why not him also?

  • thescribbler

    This is not new, they asked this question during the first campaign. People didn’t believe anyone would have the gall to ask such a thing of our military leaders and it was, as so many things with this administration, brushed aside as conservative propaganda.

    Why so many people are still blinded by these people is beyond me. It’s not like they hide anything (other than the people who were at Benghazi, Libya when our Ambassador was MURDERED). They tend to throw things out and normal, rational, patriotic people believe and fight to get the word out. While the people who support O and his ilk spend time snuffing the arguments out and moving the information on to the back pages and out of the limelight. The media conspired with the Left on Obama, they gave him his throne and they ultimately are to blame when Obama does become dictator. Is that so hard to believe after all that has happened in the past five years, do you even remember hearing the name Barack Obama before then?

    Our hope is the men and women in our military who are going to say no to orders given to shoot upon the American people.

  • lincoln’s widow

    If there is any validity at all to this ridiculous “claim” then it would be aimed at those citizens that have decided to join terrorists against the USA, residing around the world. It has already happened ya know, American citizens operating with terrorists, at their own peril. The rest of this conspiratorial nonsense being posted here is absurd.

  • MAJMike

    As a retired Army O-4, I find this chilling to say the least. This is exactly why the Founders hated the thought of a standing professional army. Similiar situation led to the demise of the Roman Republic when soldiers were more loyal to their ambitious commanders than to the Constitution (written or unwritten).

    I just returned from the pistol range. Lots of folks there. Next week, I’ll practice with one of my Evil Black Rifles. The EoTech sights are zeroed for 100 yards and I’ll practice head shots.

    Interesting times.

  • Justin Replogle

    Copied from the comments section (Huitzilopochtli Adams) of this link to be posted here:

    http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/01/why-mental-illness-is-the-avenue-to-gun-confiscation/

    ==============================

    This ten-page assessment is likely one of the most frightening documents released by the Obama administration.

    It’s as though “gun control” has been planned and prepared for since O was inaugurated in 2009, and, astonishingly, only specific groups and individuals have been cited, those traditionally to the right of center with a special emphasis on returning vets (all believed by O to be “lone wolves”). Vets returning from the theatre of war and seeking counseling, of any kind, (from Obama-complicit military doctors) are being summarily diagnosed with PTSD. This will disqualify them from any kind of gun ownership.

    US Department of Homeland Security | Office of Intelligence and Analysis | Assessment

    Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment

    7 April 2009

    Page 2: The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.

    Footnote, Page 2: Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

    Page 3: Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.

    Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.

    Page 7: Disgruntled Military Veterans

    http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

    Related:

    ‘We Have Never Seen Anything Like This Before’: Beck & the Military Weigh in on Army’s Public Training Exercises
    Posted on July 10, 2012 at 12:36pm by Liz Klimas
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/we-have-never-seen-anything-like-this-before-beck-the-military-weigh-in-on-armys-public-training-exercises/

    Pentagon, Military Actively War Gaming ‘Large Scale Economic Breakdown’ and ‘Civil Unrest’
    November 24, 2010
    By Mac Slavo – SHTFPlan.com
    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Pentagon,-Military-Actively-War-Gaming-%E2%80%98Large-Scale-Economic-Breakdown%E2%80%99-and-%E2%80%98Civil-Unrest%E2%80%99-/11628/0/5/5/Y/M.html

  • Compared to the destruction Obama has planned for his second term, today’s dismal economy will soon be remembered as the good old days.

  • Patty

    [………………………]There were three participants in the experiment:

    1. The Teacher was the real subject in the experiment. Their role was to administer shocks for each wrong answer provided by the learner. How far would they go, was the true subject of the experiment. Would they actually kill a person for failing to provide the correct answer on a word pair test? Would they mindlessly follow the orders of the experimenter to continue with the abuse, regardless of the results and obvious harm being perpetrated upon the pretend victim in the experiment?

    2. The second participant, the Learner, was actually a plant in the experiment. The Learner would sit in an adjacent room and pretend to be shocked for each wrong answer that they would purposely give. Eventually, they would cry out for help and beg the Teacher to stop administering the electric shocks. Their cries included pleas of mercy that were often based on an unknown level of self-expressed cardiac distress that they were pretending to experience.

    3. The Experimenter was a stern looking fellow who carried a clipboard, wore a lab coat, and would urge the Teacher to continue regardless of the make believe pleas of the Learner.

    The “Teachers” were told by the experimenter that they would be participating in an experiment to test the effects of punishment on learning. However, as has already been stated, this was not the goal of the experiment.
    […………………….]

    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/11/27/will-american-troops-commit-genocide-against-american-citizens/

    Lengthy, so go to site for more

  • Hitler’s last guest for total dictatorial power was purging of the German military of any factions that were not loyal to him…homeland security buying tons of ammo and other gov agencies buying up tons of ammos…..you have to ask yourself what are they planning and who are they planning on using all this ammo on…….

  • Anthony Cappelletti

    Gatewaypundit going down the conspiracy path. *sigh*

  • coupd’état

    This is NOT hard to believe as some above seem to think. However, the Generals will not be fired back upon so what do they care. They ARE aware that theirs’ is a lost war. Not to worry. The traitors coming into command are the military equivalent of today’s genxers… Not capable of getting the job done. We have the tied a true heroes on our side. As they say (those that say it) “Molon Labe”.

  • Marcy

    Everyone keep your cool. Don’t shoot until you see the whites of their eyes. They have to fire the first shot. The military will never turn against the people. After all they have their own families here. They understand too well about collateral damage. They won’t let that happen to their family and friends.

  • JTwig

    Those who foolishly believe U.S. soldiers would never fire on U.S. citizens you should find the videos online of the National Guardsmen during Katrina. You would be shocked how casual they are about the prospect of having to shoot at ordinary citizens.

    Best case for something as unthinkable as what is being suggested in this article is Syria. There a majority of the military stayed loyal to the nation’s leadership, including following orders to oppress and kill their fellow citizens. Eventually many in the military defected and joined the rebels when the full weight of their deeds caught up to them, but it took most months before that happened.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    How do you test someone for the willingness to commit treason? The moment you broach the subject, they have a handle on YOU.

    Lord knows they’d certainly try their best to come up with something workable.

    At the very least, it would happen several layers below the chain of command. Gotta protect the Head Worm in the White House…

  • Sam Stone

    All this ties in with the report from the think tank at West Point calling many of us the enemy. And from the HLS report of a few years ago. WE are considered the enemy and Obama said those exact words to he hispanic friends 3 years ago. “…punish our enemies…”

    “A West Point think tank report that links people who believe in individual freedom with violent “far right” movements has stirred strong opposition from conservatives and former members of the military.

    They say the report, first revealed by The Washington Times, lumps basic beliefs of mainstream conservatism into an “anti-federalist” movement that in the author’s view directs violence toward the government.

    They wonder why an institution that molds future Army officers to fight foreign enemies now is focusing on a perceived domestic threat. They also say that a thorough report on ideologically fed violence would scrutinize unions, Occupy Wall Street demonstrators and radical environmentalists.

    The West Point report also disparages conservatives in general, saying they live in the past while liberals are future-oriented.

    “This report is outrageous in and of itself,” said a Washington Times reader, one of more than 1,600 to post a comment. “But it speaks of a far worse scenario at the hallowed West Point; the rise of liberalism within the faculty there and their desire to shape the next generation of warrior/patriots into left-of-center thinkers. Sad and troubling. Our country is in trouble on so many fronts now.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/21/far-right-report-outrages-critics-of-federalism/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS#ixzz2Ijc4ZV8f

  • john graham

    like most people…..I’ve had enough…..just bring it on already….I don’t really care if I get killed by my local law enforcement officers, by some federal agent, or my own military……WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE PEACE WITH OURSELVES WITH WHATS COMING….. I hate to sound defeatest, but I am going to take care of my home, and family….NO MATTER THE COST…..I have already made peace with the fact that, not only am I going to have to break several commandments, I probably will have to kill my fellow citizens…….IF THIS IS THE PRICE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR, AND OUR CHILDRENS AND GRANDCHILDRENS, FREEDOM….SO BE IT…..keep praticing those long range head shot……I AM

  • bman

    Kent State

  • garrettc

    Would military fire on holed up militant muslims that are US citizens, say in Dearborn? Let’s imagine a senario where dearborn becomes majority muslim, with a lawfully elect fundementalist city council. Let’s imagine that city councils sets about imposing Sharia, closing banks, liquor stores, movie theaters, etc. Let’s roving gangs of Muslim fundmentalist attempt to impose Sharia law on surrounding communities, maybe with a lot of rape intimidations (See London, Paris). What then?

    Would the military fire on a state capital that unilaterally decides to seceed? If Texas, probably not, if Kentucky, probably.

    You can make up a lot of senarios where the rank and file could be convinced that they are preserving the union, against rabble rousers. In a few years, there will be large scale resistance in metropolityan areas. The National Guard will be called in to restore order, but will be unable to quell violence. What then?

    The real question, would they succed? Short term, yes, long term, no.

  • I wrote a manuscript back in 1996 after Clinton was reelected, and turned it into a book in 2009.

    http://www.amazon.com/Revolt-Ray-Wisher/dp/1936051702

    The idea of the military or a foreign military deployed against civilians is not new. You ask why? Simple. At some point the checks, the promises, the money is going to stop. The “Cardinals” inside government know this. If and when it happens steps will be taken. What the military is being trained to do, what the police will be trained to do is keep the peace- at any cost.

    In my story, the Congress goes along with the idea put forth by the narcissistic President to place foreign troops on our soil to quell a small revolt. His argument was that it is more palatable to the people to see “Official” UN soldiers stopping citizens than our own people firing on each other. Congress realizes the Ponzi scheme is collapsing. They are afraid. They know when the people get scared and hungry, they will go after the people with “stuff” and the Cardinals know they are the ones with the stuff. We see what Chicago looks like and it is well fed and warm. Imagine how frightening it would become when they are hungry and cold and scared.

    I got the idea of UN on our soil from a plan that circulated within our police community back in the late seventies and early eighties. It consisted of a world map regionalizing the countries and assigning certain other countries “police duties”. For example, Dutch soldiers were responsible for certain African nations, those African nations were responsible for India or some other place and one or two nations were responsible for the U.S.

    I think Obama would be more than happy to have this power. This is one reason why the feds are arming up, but many think it is for foreign terror threats. Many good law enforcement officers I know are already resisting the idea of having anyone go after the citizens within their jurisdictions. I had one sergeant actually quiz his squad, asking what they would do if someone showed up demanding we assist them on raids to seize weapons. He said some were confused. Following orders was a natural act. Others were with him, saying no way. Still others would follow the rules. He told them anyone who took such action on his shift would be in trouble with him.

    He is a good guy and very much aware of the dangers our time presents.

  • sablegsd

    “Charming on the outside, evil through and through.”

    He’s not charming at all. He’s an arrogant, loud mouthed, boorish prick. And he has been transparent to me from the first time I saw him.

  • dibs

    @Arnold: …..huh?!?

  • bg

    ++

    Understanding Islam

    Army acknowledges pedophilia part of Islam

    Military are now polled to ensure that
    they will fire on Americans if ordered.

    [I hope you are held responsible for ANY robberies that occur at the addresses that you published, you are despicable low-life people who have NO clue about your military and this country! Military are now polled to ensure that they will fire on Americans if ordered. Write that story, then go buy yourself a gun, learn to use it properly, and store it in a gun safe. Because crazy is out there, vicious is out there and thanks to you, they now have a list to use to get more guns! May you pay for what you have done. Kelly King, Fort Lauderdale]

    Will America Listen?

    [Before I address the psychological reasons on why the coming
    American genocide is almost upon us and it will receive the enthusiastic
    support from active duty military personnel, let’s examine the fiction set
    forth by a group known as Oath Keepers.]

    US ARMED FORCES SURVEY – APRIL 1994

    [Cooperation with Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies Act of 1981. This act enabled the Military to participate in the drug war. This cooperative alliance of military and civilian police efforts in the name of national security may have eroded the demarcation between civilian law enforcement and our military institution first established by the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.”

    The results of another question, No. 45, posed by the survey indicates American soldiers are not eager to swear allegiance to the United Nations, although nearly one in four would do so. Question 45 states: “I would swear to the following code:’I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation’s way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense’.” A total of 69.33 percent, or 208 Marines surveyed, indicated they disagreed, with 117, or 39 percent, indicating they strongly disagreed.

    On the other hand, 71 Marines, or 23.66 percent, indicated they would be willing to swear such allegiance to the UN, with 19, or 6.33 percent, indicating they were strongly in favor of doing so. “For thousands of years.” Cunningham notes in his thesis, “military organizations have required their soldiers to swear to some kind of code or allegiance. A code provides a standard for the soldiers to live up to and, in many cases, to die for. A code can be a powerful tool for establishing and sustaining unit cohesion. But what if the mission a solider is assigned to perform counters or confuses the code he has sworn to uphold? Question 45 was presented to determine if the solders would swear to such a code.” No one knows if the American personnel traveling in the helicopter shot down over Iraq [by “friendly fire”] in April 1994 would have sworn allegiance to such a code.

    Yet, Vice President Albert Gore stated that these Americans “died in the service of The United Nations.” “It is patently clear,” a retired high ranking Army Officer told The SPOTLIGHT,”that this survey raises some very serious issues, not the least of which is that U.S. servicemen are not being properly educated as to the limits of their service in the civilian sector. This is most dangerous, and, I should think the Congress has an obligation to the people to take a careful look at this, not to mention the people at the Pentagon.”]

    more at link, in connecting links, and scroll threads for more..

    ==

  • Frank Smith

    It wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see our idiot in chief pull something like this! It would be tough to get away with though. I don’t think the American people would tolerate it. States like Texas could or would call up the National Guard to protect themselves and then order Texas soldiers home. Other states would follow particularly in the South. It’s hard to know what active duty military personnel would do, but I’m pretty sure a lot of them won’t shoot down their own people. It’s key to remember what demographic groups serve in the armed forces. And anybody who thinks this would be a reenactment of the Civil War where the North eventually wins better keep in mind that this isn’t 1861 where the North outnumbered the South 4 to 1. If shooting starts, Northeast and West Coast liberals will be hiding under their beds while the rest of the country protects themselves.

  • bg

    ++

    re: #50 January 22, 2013 at 3:01 pm bg

    “citizens in uniform”

    [The armed forces, therefore, according to the decree issued by Chávez last July 22nd, in the practice will be responsible for enforcing by means of arms the failed socialist constitutional reform. To that end, in order to dilute the country into its militia-like organization, will “prepare and organize the people for integral defense.” In addition, it will “forge alliances or coalitions with the armed forces of foreign countries.” The ongoing military revolution will have not borders. At the end, there is one single purpose -retired military officer Chávez Frías will boast his five-sun insignia appropriate for his new rank of commander in chief, awarded by himself, and not by the grace of God.]

    Iran boosts Qods shock troops in Venezuela

    Consequence Management Response Force’

    Jean-François Revel: How Democracies Perish

    [Even if we muster sufficient backbone to resist Islamic jihad, liberal
    Republicans and Democrats will be undermining our future from within
    by loading more free services onto an economy unable to fulfill even it
    existing commitments under Social Security and Medicare.

    Regarding that, Revel wrote: “..[What the quest for economic equality
    produces] is the growing role of government, the modern government
    of which democracy’s children ask everything and from which they
    consequently accept everything. …. Tocqueville the visionary predicted
    [in his 1833 “Democracy in America”] with stunning precision the coming
    ascension of the omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient state the
    twentieth-century man knows so well: the state as protector, entrepreneur,
    educator; the physician-state, impresario-state, bookseller-state, helpful
    and predatory, tyrant and guardian, banker, father and jailer all at once…..
    Its power borders on the absolute partly because it is scarcely felt, having
    increased by imperceptible stages at the wish of its subjects, who turned
    to it instead of to each other. In those pages by Tocqueville we find the
    germ both of George Orwell’s “1984” and David Riesman’s “The Lonely
    Crowd.”
    ]

    ==

  • I do not believe any of our military will follow the orders from their superiors any more than they would from the president. This is still disturbing nonetheless if true and I have no problem believing that it is.

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  • Zelsdorf Ragshaft III

    The problem is there are many ex seals and special forces who have both the knowledge and capability to do to Obama what was done to Bin Laudin. After all, we know where he sleeps. Beside that, there are 100 million armed americans. No army can stand against that force.

  • Benson II

    There’s really no way for us ordinary people to know the truth or falsity of this but what we do know is it is something Obama wants and would do.

  • Jeannie

    In the Bay Area in San Jose, CA, despite the fact that it is legal to carry concealed weapon with a license my friend a policeman unapologetically admits he’ll arrest you.

    In Russia, the KGB had exactly the private militia willing to inform on fellow citizens and have them hauled off for execution, as Obama called for while campaigning.

    In Rwanda, back in the 90s, the hootis and tootis were deliberately separated, within families, by government decree (by height). A radio station 24/7 blared out hatred against the hootis. When the president, sympathetic to the hootis, was mysteriously killled in a plane ‘accident’, the radio IMMEDIATELY called out for the slaughter of all Hootis.
    It went on for 3 months and only because a handful of survivors were protected inside a 4 x 6 foot bathroom, were we able to hear of this.

    In Zimbabwe, 30 years ago, prosperous white farmers, contributing to an agricultural surplus to the world, were first ordered to turn over their farms to blacks and then slaughtered with the government’s encouragement and the land given to blacks. When the blacks had no skills ALL land was confiscated by Mugawbe so that no one owned private property and he printed money till this wealthy, educated, agriculturally lush country was populated by poverty-stricken, illiterate, starving people, the Zimbabwean dollar worth one trillionth of a cent.

    Tianmen square has already been mentioned and Venezuela’s giving entitlements till the welfare outnumber the workers is contemporary knowledge…only it’s not knowledge to anyone educated in our schools.

    We won’t even mention North Korea, though Carter’s giving ‘energy’ to the ‘benevolent’ Kim Jong Il, who PROMISED no use of nuclear energy for arms, has been cited with fondness by our half baked dictator.

    Mao, Jong Il, Mugawbe, Chavez, Baby Doc, Hitler, Stalin, the Muslim Brotherhood. For anyone who had even a little bit of history this president’s allegiance is no mystery.

    Take your free people and enslave them with ignorance and entitlements.

    And make sure that a culture of death, brought in by equating life with cost, ushers in abortion, sterilization (the 67,000 UNKNOWINGLY sterilized in the U.S. in the mid 20th century anyone?) and euthanasia. So that even a video of the terrifying dismemberment of a baby leaves people unmoved, countering (this from my own nephew) that deciding to be pro life just because of seeing a video is illogical and only an emotional response.

    As Mother Theresa said: “It is a poverty that a baby must die so that you may live more comfortably.”

    Most important: the big lie that the world’s resources are strained…when it is 100% because of government appropriation of land use that people have not been able to grow for themselves and be self-sustaining. Most of hte land and water on this planet is pristine and untouched. It is an myth and the population research institute has enough scientific fact to shut up all the Gores and Moores and Obamas of the world.
    Check.

  • Jeannie

    BEnson, there is plenty of way. There are military soldiers risking their lives to get this information out and they are being picked up by government. It takes a very little bit of searching to discover where conspiracy and truth intersect.

    but we are an era of cowards and are willing to wait for someone else to act first.

    They came for you…and no one was left.

  • Jeannie

    Zelsdorf, if our military is so strong then why are our vets universally frustrated and why are our soldiers committing suicide?

    Next excuse you want to bring up to give yourself the false security so YOU don’t have to look and act?

  • Jeannie

    And folks, door to door gun confiscation (remember Elian Gonzalez being taken away from the family by a wall of military) is the way to prevent 100 million armed Americans from defending themselves.

    If there are 100 million LEGALLY armed Americans how many ILLLEGALLY armed are there, given that we know the illegals number in the millions and given that we know our own government has endangered OUR lives by arming them?

    last but not least: No government so pro abortion and population control can have their finger outside of hte pie of eugenics. There is virtually no way to be involved in planetary imposition of birth control, abortion, sterilization and euthanasia, without firsthand exposure and involvement in eugenics.

    Soylent Green has already approached. Jsut look at the walls and jars of abortion clinics and cloning laboratories. if we are not yet eating ourselves we are doing very near to it.

  • Jeannie

    Christianity is rightly villainized and withheld from the population. Every single time that this sort of direction has been taken by a government, the society could not sustain itself and it was only resurrected through Christianity.

    Just as marxists think that marxism was not done ‘purely’ enough and can be now, so those who seek to completely eradicate Christianity from the public in all areas, think that THIS time they will finally rid the planet of this scourge.

    All of those nations have fallen and every single time Christianity beaten back the paganism, the sexual liberalism, the abortion and the euthanasia.

    EVERY.SINGLE. TIME.

    We are not living in new times. we are merely reliving the prophecy: Those who do not learn from history (because it is deliberately withheld by the governing powers) will be condemned to relive it.

    God almighty, have compassion on us and change hearts and minds of YOUR created children.

  • usamopatriot

    These same military leaders that they are getting rid of will be our leaders when we start fighting back. The washington dc dictator is going to bite off more than he can chew. Mark my words.

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  • Smarty

    If this person is a hero, he needs to hold a press conference immediately. If he lets a pension stand in the way of his personal knowledge of tyranny or treason, then he is not a hero, he is a sell out.

    Of course, I bet Obama knows exactly what General is screwing who so he can sort them out as he pleases.

  • bg

    ++

    Justin Replogle #34 January 22, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    yes, Obama has been groomed with the task of to
    transitioning UD in to the NOWO via his dreams of
    revolution..

    [Boss and Obama, however, had a starkly different view. They believed that the economic stresses of the Carter years meant revolution was still imminent. The election of Reagan was simply a minor set-back in terms of the coming revolution. As I recall, Obama repeatedly used the phrase “When the revolution comes….” In my mind, I remember thinking that Obama was blindly sticking to the simple Marxist theory that had characterized my own views while I was an undergraduate at Occidental College. “There’s going to be a revolution,” Obama said, “we need to be organized and grow the movement.” In Obama’s view, our role must be to educate others so that we might usher in more quickly this inevitable revolution.]

    more of much more here, and here, and
    here, in connecting links, and threads..

    ==

  • Joanne

    Did Hitler or Stalin or Mao have a problem having his own people killed? Give me a break. Obama is a killer.

    Just look at the number of combat military leaders that have been terminated in the last while.

    People need to face the fact that Americans are no longer the Americans of fifty years ago. Today so many millions of Americans have been brainwashed and have bought the whole ‘communism is good’ bullcrap hook, line and sinker. These people are narcissist atheists, and they do not have any empathy for anyone who doesn’t think like they do, which is totally void of all facts and common sense.

  • Denver

    Cannot trust anonymous crap. This isn’t world net daily, is it?

  • repousa

    Some generals may be willing to shoot Americans. However, the trigger wont be pulled by some politico general. They may order it to be done but the army rank in file will not pull the trigger. That is why the real threat it arrest. Then one psycho can do the dirty work…Janet Napolitano!!

  • RogerQ

    Nothing new, there are a lot of examples of troops enforcing the president’s will against civilians.

    Eisenhower sent troops to the South to enforce desegregation. I don’t know it they actually fired on Southerners, but I am sure they would have if ordered.

    Of course, the best (worst) example is Lincoln and how he used troops against unarmed civilian and armed military Southerners to force them to rejoin the Union.

    The earliest example was when President Washington led troops (the only sitting president to command troops in person) against tax protestors in western Pennsylvania during the Whiskey Rebellion.

    And more recently, were the incidents of troops firing on civilians during the 1960s.

  • Jeannie

    Denver, the sad thing is that you will be running to us for protection, not those who scoff alongside of you.

  • Shawnet

    Fine, let the big O keep all of the “loser” leaders – we will have all of the smart ones on our side if/when that happens ;O)

  • Dupin

    I dearly hope the claim isn’t true.

    That’s because if it is that can only lead to one conclusion as to the President’s ambitions and that is one very scary thought. Enough said

  • RS

    Historically, the tyrant will use ethnic animosity to rule. So we could expect a newly segregated army where black troops to be assigned to shooting white Americans and white troops to kill black Americans.

  • A_Nonny_Mouse

    Ref-
    #23 January 22, 2013 at 11:54 am
    Marmo commented:

    Of course, the important question to ask is “Will the soldiers follow a command to shoot U.S. citizens?” I’m pretty sure they are taught not to obey a command from a superior if the command is illegal.
    = = = = = = =

    The command would not be “Go out and shoot innocent Americans”. The command would be “There’s a nest of evil Tea-Party terrorists in this town who are planning XYZ (*) and we need to take them down before that can happen.”

    (*) {XYZ= something shocking and horrifying; think of the tactics jihadists use, and then take out “jihadist” and substitute “violent Tea-Party terrorist” in describing the supposed plot.}

    The soldiers WOULD follow those commands, and they would be PROUD to have foiled the evil terrorists before their attack could be completed.

    = = = = =

    Think back to the millions of rounds of hollow point bullets. Think back to some reported conceptual war-gaming against a Tea-Party threat late last summer. Now look at the news from just recently: The “Combating Terrorism Center” at West Point (you know, that big Military Academy where the next generation of U.S. military leaders is trained?) has published a PDF on their web site (www.ctc.usma.edu) titled “Challengers from the Sidelines”, subtitled “Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right”. It lumps Tea-Party and Christian and small-government types in with the Timothy McVeigh types. (Oh, almost forgot, Janet Napolitano and the Homeland Security paper back in ?2009? that labeled right-wingers and returning Iraq war vets “potentially dangerous”, too, remember that?)

    At any rate, THE ****ING PROG-TARDS IN THIS ****ING ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN LABELING US CRAZY AND VIOLENT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS — and now they are ramping up the rhetoric even more.

    When push comes to shove, the guys with the guns in their hands –the guns aimed at us and our kids– will honestly believe what they’ve been told: We’re terrorists. We’re traitors. We’re trying to overthrow Obama’s honestly-elected administration which is striving to make life better –and more fair!!– for the ethnic and religious minorities who have been denied a “seat at the table” for so long. We want the Religious Right to dictate how people live. We want to let fat-cat Wall Streeters, or Big Banks, Big Pharma, Big You-Name-It, enrich themselves without limit at the expense of oppressed workers. We’re racist, and we fear the Tan Messiah and his noble message of Hope, Change, and True Equality. Bla-bla-blah.

    They fully intend to have a Civil War.

    And they fully intend to WIN it.

  • dwdude

    if this happens, we just outmaneuver the thinly spread troops and just start eliminating civilians who voted for obama…not hard to tell, anyone with a free phone.

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  • len mullen

    It would seem that millions of newly legalized immigrants would be a rich pool of potential police officers willing to subjugate Americans.

  • bg

    ++

    January 21, 2013

    Dr. Jim Garrow on FaceBook

    I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama
    is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must
    go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus
    test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not”.
    Those who will not are being removed.

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    more:

    “Get Ready to Explode”

    [No, the issue here is, because Dr. Garrow is a man of considerable renown, in fact, a 2009 nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize (you know, pre-Obama, back when the Nobel was still relevant), many people will almost instinctively accept this information as absolute truth, even clearly sans any supporting facts. Many then disseminate this, which for all intents and purposes, is only second-hand gossip.]

    ==

  • Tabby

    @lincoln’s widow: People working with terrorists…
    You mean like Obama working with his buddy (& writer of his fictional biography), William Ayers; domestic terrorist & bomber of the pentagon that attempted to overthrow our government & planned to exterminate 25 million Americans?
    So you are saying the troops should be willing to fire on Obama?

  • Get Mikey

    It’s not just about the big purchases of so many rounds of ammunition.

    I remember several military bases of my childhood. They were “closed” in the 80’s and 90’s. But they still to this day have at the very least a skeleton crew, which would mean that it would not take very long to turn them back into active bases.

    Why this is important is, they are listed as closed on the military base side. And yet, the FEMA budget has increased so much during the same years. I don’t think all of those bases are just sitting there with employees in them for nothing! People will show up with arms to protest the loss of their gun rights, and a standing US Army will not show up to shoot them down. No, it won’t be any manpower with boots on the ground, it will be nothing but drones dropping bombs! They no longer need to activate military personnel. Just like with Mr. al-Awlaki, they can just send a Predator drone missile to do the work. Or if the drones do not kill all the patriots, they will steer people by dropping bombs from drones, and pretty soon people running to avoid getting blown up will run into a trap and be rounded up and taken off to camp.

    Ironically, it’s also why no one in the administration has bothered to finish building a proper US border fence. They don’t need a fence, just a drone or two to patrol it. Every now and then they only need drop a bomb, and soon enough people will stop crossing the border, so why bother with all the extra money and manpower when they can have two soldiers in a drone trailer anywhere in the world monitor it and arrange for the bombs to drop long-distance?

    It sounds crazy even as I say this, but then again, so does saying that the Commander-in-Chief has committed treason many times since being elected to office. Yet we know it’s true.

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  • We the People Take America Back

    I missed that morning show with Quinn and Rose talking about this. been listening to them for years, and was excited they went syndicated, and now news talk on iheart radio. If you search on youtube for KGB agent talking about destroying America from within, and never having to go to war, its done in 4 stages, and now we are passed the 3rd state of normalization, and going into destabilization. Look up Obama’s transcript of his inaguaration speech, and look for key words, it will give you an indication of what our future holds and what he plans on doing, as with all liberals, things they say, will mean they do the total opposite in the near future. Also look up bill gates depopulation…to save the earth from human co2…to prevent the population of over 6 billion people from growing to 9 billion people…3 ways to achieve, universal health care, (we just got with affordable health care act), vaccines, (especially, HPV vaccine for women, some women are now sterile), and with womens reproductive (abortions, and now, birth control, and planned parenthood)…it’s real people…wake up and smell the coffee, for one morning, you will wake up and wonder wtf happened.

  • James Bertram

    RE:
    serfer62 commented

    Most officers will side with the govorment in excuting Americans and almost all starred officers will anyway.

    The big IF are the ranks and I doubt that they will comply

    How can you possibly know what “most Officers” will do. Or the starred ones?
    As a retired USAF Officer myself, I take great offense to such a comment.
    The Officers oath does not bind them to obey orders as the enlisted oath does; but officers are required to disobey illegal orders.
    It is my belief that if such a dilemma materializes, most Officers will side with the citizens and not the administration. My grandson is a SFC paratrooper and he and I have discussed this. I believe that damn few of the enlisted ranks will side with a politician, whom a great many despise, against the people.

  • Anna

    I emailed the good Dr and he confirmed that someone told him that.

    I Replied with specific questions, but haven’t heard back yet.

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  • larry johnson

    Hell is coming to America! Barack Obama the Bolshevik Oppressor, is bringing in his plan for civil war. We can only hope that the military will revolt from this monster illegally sitting in the white house.

  • JoeThePimpernel

    The John Birch Society was saying this fifty years ago.

    That’s why the Alinskyites destroyed them with Rules for Radicals #5, “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

    Everything they were saying has come to pass.

  • Craig MacIntosh

    I’m surprised by some of the responses here, some of the misunderstanding and confusion that other readers seem to have about our military, both past and present. Here are some well known documented facts that everyone should know. a) The majority of current military personnel OPPOSE the current Commander in Chief and would never comply to an illegal order to fire on US citizens. b) The VAST majority of veterans hate this idiot and are still a powerful enemy for Barry Hussain to cross. c) There were over 500 retired high ranking officers(i.e generals and admirals) that openly endorsed Romney in the last election, which translates to d) current high ranking officers having the same moral standing and fortitude as they’ve been mentored and befriended by those that came before. Those that would be willing to give the order will have a challenge getting those under command to follow these illegal orders, perhaps even finding themselves being removed.

    In my opinion, if Barry really thinks he can pull this off without being taken out by those he gave the command to fire on those he was elected to SERVE, I say go for it and the sooner the better. The clown and his cronies have been a cancer in this country for one term too many and it’s past time he was removed. His best option would to turn to foreign troops to do his dirty work but either way, he’s going to fail and will be lucky if we the people let him escape with his miserable life. Treason by someone in his position would be punishable by death.

  • Questionman

    Klanman larry johnson is a racist! In fact, ALL comments here are from hateful racist R-tards that hate black people!

    People keep building Obama up to be anti-american and say that he is plotting to do these horrible things. To those that believe this article, YOU ARE RETARDED!!! If a majority of the people reading this article have already come to the conclusion that there would be a war against such a violation, then it should be known that insurrectionists would know the same. That being said, and with all things considered, the government is smarter than that. If there was such a conspiracy that would turn the American society on its head, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!!! Take the facts for facts and try to realize that those who wish to pick fits and try to uproot an American president, saying that HE is un-american, are indeed un-american themselves. Next time, maybe the naysayers should vote for whom they want to be president. If anything works in American society, it is the voting system. GET USED TO IT!

    You people are racists to the core!

  • TNGirl

    Why do you think the gov. has been buying up all the hollow point ammo? It ain’t for deer huntin’ at least not the 4 legged kind. Open your eyes, this man is set on taking down our nation and he has been successful at every turn, thanks to a weak republican party. Why do you think NDAA

  • this will not end well.

    people hate kill’n people!?

  • Liberty_gal

    “Dr.” Garrow is not credible. He has a long history of making exaggerated and suspect claims and abusing those who question them. For example, from an official site of the Ontario College of Teachers:

    http://professionallyspeaking.oct.ca/june_2002/blue13.asp

    Member: James Edward Garrow
    Decision: 9-month Suspension, Reprimand and $3,000 Fine
    Registration Number: 366779

    A panel of the Discipline Committee held a public hearing over six sessions from July 2001 to February 2002 into allegations of professional misconduct against James Edward Garrow of Guelph. Garrow, 52, was certified to teach in 1976 and was employed as a teacher by the Upper Canada District School Board. Garrow represented himself at the hearing.

    The allegations of professional misconduct against Garrow included failing to maintain the standards of the profession and abusing students physically, sexually, verbally, psychologically or emotionally.

    Students testified at the hearing that Garrow made disparaging or derogatory remarks about them. The panel also heard testimony that Garrow abandoned his employment with the Upper Canada District School Board in early June of 1999 and failed to resume his employment despite letters, telephone calls and faxed communications from the board. The board dismissed Garrow for breaching his professional duties in July 1999.

    The panel found that Garrow tried to rationalize abandoning his position, and that he showed a lack of remorse for his actions. His testimony was at times contradictory, inflammatory and irrelevant to the matters at issue, in contrast to the testimony from witnesses.

    The panel found Garrow guilty of professional misconduct and ordered his Certificates of Registration and Qualification suspended for nine months. The panel reprimanded Garrow immediately following the hearing and also imposed a fine of $3,000 to be paid to the Minister of Finance within six months of the panel’s decision. The decision of the panel appears on the College’s public register.

    ====
    The following was posted by his former landlord, a doctor who rented his house to Garrow near Guelph:

    http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=15636692&postID=9141096604163886950&page=1

    I can regale you for hours with my involvement with Garrow who was once a tenant in my house outside of Guelph. He is the REAL thing — a true sociopath con artist. I have just now started to reinvestigate by googling him and finding myself here. I am now concerned that he is more than a danger as between private individuals such as landlords and investors, but is now actually involved in something as serious as child smuggling. His ego and arrogance know no bounds. I sincerely hope that the RCMP and the Government of Ontario investigate and put him out of business and behind bars.

    Andrew Brick, MD formerly of Guelph Ontario and currently of Tucson AZ

    7/14/2011 10:11 PM