Mona Charen Warns Of “Mad Max And Unraveling of Civilization”

We are headed towards an “unraveling of civilization”.

That’s a sobering statement.  And timely, since the terms “fiscal cliff”, “looming disaster”, and “Greece” have become castrated terms no longer synonymous with catastrophe and suffering.  In today’s Townhall article, Mona Charen gives us a fresh descriptor to inspire fear and awareness for where Obama and congress are leading our country.  And it’s chilling.

Via Free Republic, Townhall’s Republicans and Mad Max,

The incomparable Walter Russell Mead, writing in the American Interest, offered a glimpse into the coming dystopia:

“Things are getting worse in San Bernardino. The city filed for bankruptcy earlier this year, but its financial situation has continued to deteriorate. And now with what promises to be a heated court battle over payments to the state pension fund in the offing, further cuts are likely.

“Things are getting so bad that at a recent city council meeting, the city attorney advised residents to ‘lock their doors and load their guns’ because the city could no longer afford to keep up a strong enough police force.

Consider also this Reuters story from Greece:

“For hours the leader of the Greek journalists’ social security fund had been chairing a meeting about disastrous losses on retirement savings caused by the country’s economic collapse. ‘She tried to present herself as the fund’s savior and asked (members) to double contributions to 6 percent of salaries,’ said one of those present that night at the Titania hotel. Spanopoulou, 58, did not succeed.

“When she rose to leave around midnight, enraged fund members first swore, then waded in punching, kicking and tearing at her clothes, according to witnesses. A bodyguard managed to bustle her out of the room, but another group caught her just outside the hotel and gave her a second beating. She spent the night in hospital.

“It was a brutal sign of the fury many Greeks feel at the way the country’s debt crisis has dashed hopes of a comfortable old age. Greece’s pension funds – patchily run in the first place, say unionists and some politicians – have been savaged by austerity and the terms of the international bailout keeping the country afloat.”

When governments cannot pay their current employees because they’ve gone broke paying pensions to previous employees (among other obligations), you don’t get a “fiscal cliff,” or even a bad recession. You get the unraveling of civilization.

The Republicans are attempting to divert the nation — not from the “fiscal cliff” but from something much worse. If government debt is not controlled by spending cuts (tax increases on the rich make scarcely a dent), the U.S. is headed for drastic economic decline. Interest rates will rise to attract wary international investors. Rising interest rates will in turn increase our debt service burden, while a diminished private sector will provide less and less tax revenue. The combination of spiraling debt service and entitlement spending will quickly leave no funds for any other purpose.

That’s when it becomes Mad Max. That’s what the negotiations are about.

On some level the nation knows this.  Further down Free Republic is an article, “The Post Election Public Mood: It’s About To Hit The Fan”.  In it, the writer points out the new wave of best sellers on Amazon and its implications for how the public mood has shifted.

Well, before the November election, books about President Obama and about political theory in general were flying off the shelves. But now, checking the same bestseller lists that used to show those books doing well, it is plain that the mood has shifted. Those sorts of books have been supplanted and upstaged to a large degree. And the genre or theme that has replaced them is [insert drumroll here] Disaster Preparedness.

When our mainstream journalists are portending the “unraveling of civilization” with an outcome of “Mad Max”, and the national pastime has become learning how to store and sanitize water, something is wrong.  Very wrong.

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  • Me and millions of Conservatives have had “a bad feeling about this” since the financial collapse and the popping of the housing bubble in 2008. We’re getting closer to it every day.

  • Sam Stone

    Ammo stored, firearms clean and oiled and at the ready. Isn’t that where Mad Max ended up?

  • ugh. If only I had the $$$ to prepare for what is right over the horizon!

  • cavt

    I live in CA(ugh) where I saw a report that there are now 130 public union(govt) workers for every 100 private sector workers. Helps to explain the problems we have in this state and why the ‘people’ voted to raise their taxes. How long do you think this situation can exist before it collapses?

  • What do you think the survival rate of unarmed liberals as opposed to the armed conservatives would be in a ‘Mad Max’ world? Maybe a decade of ‘Mad Max’ would be a good thing.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Greece’s pension funds – patchily run in the first place, say unionists and some politicians – have been savaged by austerity and the terms of the international bailout keeping the country afloat.”

    It seems there’s a few questions that the Greek public isn’t asking: WHY is the austerity necessary? And WHAT brought it about?

    If they can answer those two questions, they’ll have their culprit.

  • Amen, TeachX3. Those of us who aren’t so rich need to find like-minded neighbors and friends to work together when times get real tough.

  • Pat

    aren’t we all lucky that we had 61 million STUPID people who voted for OBAMMAGEDON

  • elliot

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  • donh

    Same old fascist terrorism…keep paying up the union salaries pensions perk benefits for the public sector nanny minder New world Order class or we eliminate the police force and let Barabas out of prison early to come rape your children.

  • AvidChristian

    Question: So what happens when liberal entitlees who have never worked for a living (much less prepared for hard times) find themselves hungry? ANSWER: They do as they’ve always done–try to steal from the hard-working conservatives who had the wisdom to prepare. Then what happens?

  • #7 GregInSeattle … I’m quite confused actually. Didn’t this administration change the tax brackets to where something like 30k to 250k is now middle class? There is a HUGE difference between those two numbers, my family happens to fall at the bottom of it too. AND then I am also hearing that the ‘new millionaires and billionaires’ are anyone making over 250k… um, I don’t know what school they went to, but thousands is a big difference from millions or billions. How stupid must one be to fall for this number fudging?? I know, dumb question, because obviously we have a Nation where half the people ARE this stupid.

  • bigL

    This fiscal cliff twaddle is a cover for taxation without representation. This fiscal cliff entity was the Congress kicking the can. These matters should have been debated in both houses. They were not to my recollection. Two former legislators were selected by congess to decide this , Where is”We The People’s” seat at that table. Not there.
    The congress was not handed this cuts-menu by the hand of the gods. The Congress enacted and they can darn well repeal it. All the “fiscal cliff” talk is to bamboozle We the People.Just repeal all that Erskine Bowles and the other guy set up. This is not a greek tragedy yet. No “deus ex machina” and cut it out.
    Cheif Justice Roberts had it correct. Get to work Congess and discuss and passt he laws you want. Don’t expect to hide behind Gangs of TWO or GAngs of Fouror whatever nr.
    Otherwisewe can cancel Congress and appoint Obama, like Hitler as Chancellor. You can all go homeand we can turn out the lights.
    We are Americans. We can figure this out.

  • P/S GregInSeattle … I agree, our local community is where it is at. Reaching out to neighbors and like minded (from church or wherever) and changing our personal way of thought and actions is the answer 😀 (too bad you are in Seattle, LOL)

  • Ghost

    FREEDOM ALERT! anyone see Drudgereport lately?

    uhhh, how come the people in Egypt can march on the Palace, and we can’t ?

    “Where the government fears the people there is Liberty, where the people fear the government there is Tyranny.”

    uhhh, aren’t WE supposed to be the last bastion of Liberty? are the Egyptian freedom-fighters showing us up? and they’re up against bloodthirsty barbaric savages, the Muslim Brotherhood.

    I’ve long said we are lo-o-o-ng past doing things the nice way. If We The People can’t mount up enough courage to DEMAND! that the government obey our written Constitution (The Egyptians don’t even have that) then what the hell are we? Saps, that’s what. and the fulfillment of Reagan’s warning, “…in one generation”

    why can’t We The People march on our Palaces and scare the hell out of them? (both the White House and Capitol) a million+ surrounding the buildings in a ‘no one in, no one out” arm-lock circle would be Civil Disobedience with Consequences, yes, but have you ever heard of that before?

    What are WE (you and me) willing to do to save this Greatest Country Ever Built? anything else but moan?

    yeah, this is a call-out to the mamby-pamby who can’t even contemplate a Third-Party or (Ohhhh- No-o-o!) DIVORCE to save themselves from going down the toilet.

    We’ve all known the Real Deal here for a long time now… what will it take?

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    How long do you think this situation can exist before it collapses?

    Don’t know, but I sure as hell don’t want to be here when it does.

  • @Greg In Seattle: Me and millions of Conservatives have had “a bad feeling about this” since the summer of 1968. FIFY

  • Look-Out

    re #13, TeachX3 — can’t find it, but read some article (late at night) about how the Alternative Minimum Tax (that usually hits the wealthy) will hit individuals with income as low as $33K or so in 2013, and about $44K for couples. (unless I was misreading it…) No time to look further…

    Bottom line: we’ll ALL be getting taxed up the wazoo in no time.

  • Austin Milbarge

    Greg, that was the wake-up call for me as well…That and Ovomits election. Only 15% of america is ready for whats about to happen but I’ve been working on it since 2008.
    Keep your powder dry!

  • carrier pigeon

    Greg & Teach: I’m with ya’. But developing relationships that can be trusted takes time. Don’t know if we have time, but banding together is important.

    Everyone should do what they can, and realize there’s good and bad people out there who will be desperate. If you have means, use them to educate and get set up. Prepare for no jobs, no food, no services (including water), no freedom of travel, no medical care, etc. etc. That’s the worse case, but there are levels in-between that can be as bad.

    O is determined to be a Dick-tater, so it will be a long situation before enough Americans wake up to do something about it, and the old guard (now O and company) will have to have gone the way of all human beings before it happens. It will be his successors (probably publishing photos of themselves on magical unicorns like the NK guy) that those who are young enough to do something about it will be doing something about if they want their freedom back.

    Meanwhile the govt will crush all opposition with police/military force and a civilian army of brownshirts and informants. This site is no doubt monitored and isps recorded.

    Later. I gotta start getting ready for the ruin of the world as we know it. eneal79 on youtube and survival blog .com and survival mom .com are pretty good. There’s a lot out there even for those who haven’t started (like me) and/or who don’t have funds extra to build with (like me).

    take care everyone

  • carrier pigeon

    patriot nurse on you tube also pretty good

  • Mahdi Al-Dajjal

    When a tall skinny black man with a brilliant smile and absolutely no verifiable history of any kind including his own place of birth, came out of nowhere like a pied piper with soothing siren songs of hope and change, became an object of worship by the masses who flocked to him and cried at the very sight of him, and he was elevated by his followers to the status of a Messiah and a Cult of Personality formed around him which included virtually ALL media outlets who are supposed to dig into his background and inform us all about who this man was instead of unabashedly shilling for him, THAT’S WHEN I STARTED making preparations for a doomsday scenario.

    You guys are 4 years late if you’re only starting now.

  • I’m all for being prepared- we all should, and I am to decent degree. However, it sounds like you guys think this will be worse than the Great Depression? Complete breakdown of society? Don’t get me wrong, I’m very concerned, and do believe things can get pretty rough, but I’m not sure we’ll have a total breakdown- and I certainly hope not. I think it’ll be more like Argentina’s collapse in 1999- a long, bad economic period, but not complete societal breakdown.

  • #19 Look-Out… our taxes have gone steadily up for the past three (maybe 4, not sure, hubby knows) years.

  • SomethingWicked

    As I have said before. Last month 48 percent of the population that pays 80% of the taxes and owns 90% of the guns were told that their opinions do not matter. Now the people who already pay the most are being told to pay more while being given less say about what it done with the money. I do not believe this will stand. Were I liberal politician, celebrity or “news” commentator I would be worried. The meek do not inherit the earth, they become food for the strong.

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    I think it’ll be more like Argentina’s collapse in 1999- a long, bad economic period, but not complete societal breakdown.

    One thing about Argentina – their population is probably somewhat homogeneous compared to ours. With the tribalism that’s been encouraged around these parts (especially lately), there’s more of a chance that unrest with ethnic underpinnings will occur.

  • When the takers out populate the doers you know things are real bad….Its going to get really bad when takers can’t find any doers to take from anymore…..If you live in cities find relatives or friends who live in rural areas make some kind plan if need be….

  • shadow

    Ammo stored, firearms clean and oiled and at the ready.

    Now all you need is a wagon and some camels. (Watch out, they spit!)

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  • Hera

    For those concerned about prepping on a low budget. There is a 99 cent ebook at Amazon called: “Poverty Prepping:How to Stock Up for tomorrow when you can’t afford to eat today”.

    The system can not be sustained with this level of spending and debt. When Obama supporters finally realize there’s no more for them to take is when it hits the fan. I’m hoping we have at least till the end of 2013.

  • shadow

    uhhh, how come the people in Egypt can march on the Palace, and we can’t ?

    Hey, great idea! Give it a shot. Perhaps we can thin the heard a bit … improve the gene pool.

  • the socialists are running out of other people’s money.

  • shadow

    Alternative Minimum Tax (that usually hits the wealthy) will hit individuals with income as low as $33K or so in 2013

    It depends more on your deductions than your income, but $33K sounds too low to be hit by AMT.

  • #16 Ghost,

    We tried marching on the “Palace” when the ObamaCare bill was about to be passed and we even went so far as to crowd into the halls of Congress and the offices of our representatives and look what it got us! Nancy Pelosi marched right through the middle of us and got the big gavel and marched right through us again and into the Congressional chambers and gaveled the bill passed! She had no fear because she knew if anyone lifted a finger to “beat” her, like she needs so very badly, the cops would have open fired on us and the point is, we all want to go back to the comfort of our upside down homes at night.

    Look at the demonstrations and riots in the Middle East. Does it look like those people are afraid of the cops? Does it look like they want to be home in time for supper? Does it look like their representatives would have the guts to march right through the middle of the demostrator’s, and I may add, take their lives in their own hands.

    No, Ghost, American’s have a long way to go before we are ready to take the kinds of steps that even the Greeks take in order to put the fear of God into their government officials. We have to start right in our own cities, and maybe even our own neighborhoods and begin to throw out the illegal Mexican aliens we know are living thirty to a room down the street, and when the cops show up attack them until they learn the hard way to leave us the hell alone. Don’t you know that America is a Fascist Police State already and has been since the late 70’s? We are clamped down in our own homes without the guts it’s gonig to take to act on our Constitutional Right to “Remove” those in our government by force and the Constitution says, “Replace” them with a Constitutional form of government.

    Our forefathers left us with the one single right that it would take to be able to save ourselves if things were allowed to get so bad that we lost control over our own elected officials, and in this case the President himself. Obama should not have been allowed to have been even a candidate to run for President because of his background as a terrorist organization supporter, and being a member of the Communist Party, which he joined when he ran for city councilmen in South Chicago in the 90’s. He is a Communist and what he is doing right now is overthrowing our government from within, just like Krueschev promised the Communist would do back in the middle 60’s while banging his shoe on the table at the U.N..

    Are we ready to take up our guns and drive to Washington and do the same thing we did when the Tea Party marched on Washington trying to stop the Democrats from “urinating” on our Constitution? If we’re not ready to do without our comfortable lives and make the sacrifices our forefather’s did, then we aren’t ready to change our country back to a nation where homosexuals will be put back in the closets, and Blacks will be told to get in line with everyone else, and our schools will have prayer put back into the lives of our children!

    So Ghost, where are we with all that?

  • Ghost


    The Constitution of the United States – “…its only keepers, the people.”

    “… to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

    –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

    The Egyptians today don’t have any of this. Our Heritage DEMANDS that we take Action.

    1) States Rise to Re-Assert their Rights, to UNDO National Tyranny. The States created the National Government and can remake it. It is a Constitutional Safeguard.
    (re-read TJ’s last quoted phrase⬆)
    2) Civil Disobedience (nothing like what has happened heretofore)
    3) Separation (Oh No! yeah, and the alternative is… what?!)

    FOR GOD’S SAKES! FORCE THE ISSUE, dammit. Show some Fight.
    if We The People do not act, then we will get what we deserve.
    I’m a true believer that people get what they deserve.

  • Winston Wolfe

    Bring it on. The sooner, the better.

    But let me have first dibs on JHarp, OK?

  • cavt

    Ghost agree with you totally. It is always hard to predict ‘the straw that breaks the camel’s back’ but I think we are getting close. The Obamites hate our guts as witnessed by their words and actions. How do you work with or reason with people like this. At some point you say what’s the point. Hopefully there can be a relatively peaceful parting but that is not the lesson of history.

  • Where’s the MF money Jon?

    This is what the American people voted for and what Obama has a mandate to fulfill. You write the article as if we should try to avoid the people’s will. Policies “in the best interests of the country” are a quaint memory but have no relevence today. There is no point discussing such. The only relevent questions have to do with what demographic benefits and does that group support the democratic party.

  • #35,

    I have already been writting today that people from the various states contact their state representatives and remind them that they passed law, either in the recent past, or recently as of the passing of ObamaCare, that they stand on the 10th Amendment that any law passed by the government become such a burden economically that the particular states cannot sustain that burden have the right to reject that law and tell the government to take a hike. Well, Louisiana was one of those states that told the Obama administration they were not going to enforce ObamaCare upon this state, any of it’s taxes, nor anything else of the laws be they economic or regulatory that would overburden this state.

    Well, the states had better remind themselves of the law(s) they passed to stand against the government because that may be the only way to stem any civil disobedience the people may have to act on in order to protect our freedom and liberty! Susceed from the Union? Well if it may get to that, or something like it may be the only other way we have to protect our sovereignty until that time that we can get rid of the Communists, Socialists, liberals, or whatever anti-American people who voted for Obama and his ilk, and ban Communism in all it’s forms from this land.

  • When governance becomes forcing one half of the population of a nation to do the bidding of a political party whose agenda it is to destroy the half that opposes it, becomes what is considered what the opposing half must accept because that was the “will of the people”, you know your country is in terrible trouble. The whole purpose of a people when their differences become so widely separated is to try to come together on things that the two agree upon. But when the people become so separated that the one half who has but a small lead can force the other half who trail to either take it or go to prison, tyranny exists for both halves. And it’s because it’s the half who have the small lead try to force their will upon the half who trail and forget who the two halves are, they are all American’s who used to not care at all what the other half did because all people were endevoring to follow their own dreams. And the only time that people of differing beliefs came together was when there was cooporation between the two on a mutual project, or there was a common enemy for the two to fight against. The rest of the time the two minded their own business.

    But now we have one half who lead trying to enslave the other half who trail because the leading half have been brain washed into believeing that the half that trails wants to keep the nation safe and secure from mutual enemies of the two, is bad and that the half that trails doesn’t believe they represent the interests of everyone, leading or trailing.

    Who did the brain washing? Outsiders who have no interest in preserving what our forefathers created for all men who yearn for freedom and liberty. But even a Communist who lived in Russia believed they were free, free within the confines of the law. Isn’t that what the half that leads wants us who trail to accept, isn’t that what the half that leads is trying to convince us is a better form of freedom than what our forefathers created when all men were free? If we accept the kind of freedom that the half that leads suggests, neither will be free because it will take freedom away from the half that leads guarding the other half, and freedom will be constantly sought after by the half that trails because theirs will be the most lacking.

  • The people need to wake up and see who it is that is causing all these problems in this nation, and it’s because most of the people we see today all riled up about one thing or another really don’t care one way or another. If it wasn’t that the pressure is kept up on both halves of people, the ones on the left because they were told to be on the left, and against those on the right, and us on the right because there is an opposite to right and that is left, that neither side can’t see that we were once just American’s and not on any side.

    Our forefathers hated “parties” because they saw the destruction of people and institutions that serviced everyone. Parties slit people apart, ideas like the one found in our Constitution don’t. When you realize what our founding documents say, you are either for freedom or slavery. We had a war between the states over slavery already, this one coming will be over freedom.

  • mark1973

    #35,Respectfully disagree with,”American’s have along way to go to get where we will take the type of action’s the Greeks take”. No we aren’t. The greeks protest as a way of life. They protest so much,that their protests fall on deaf ears. and what the greeks are protesting,is for the Right to be able to sit on their butts all day and be subsidized by our Federal Reserve bank and protected by our military. We have been a free and prosperous Constitutional Republic for over 240 years. All we are asking is to not be taxed into oblivion and to have our individual Liberty and Freedom restored.

    American’s are traditionally slow to anger and are law abiding. We have told congress we don’t want Obamacare.Their answer,”Bleep You!We have told them we want the borders closed so people who are leaching off the system and are running our social services and hospitals and medical care into bankruptcy can be stopped and our sovereighnty restored.Their answer,”Bleep you! We have told them to lower our taxes and small business regulation’s so our economy can grow. Their answer,”Bleep you! We have told them to get rid of the crotch grabbing TSA.Their answer,”Bleep you”. and there is much more. Every step of the way from Obamacare,to Dodd/Frank,to The Food Safety and Modernization Act and the Start 2 Treaty,the repubs could have stopped Obama’s agenda,but have alway’s pulled some repub out of the Hat to pass his Bills. Not only that,all indications are Obama was installed in a massively fraudulent election,with the help of not only Soros and SCYTYL,but Jeb/Rove and the boy’s. Why? Because it’s become more than apparent,that Obama’s agenda is also the repub establishment agenda and by putting Obama in for another four years,the repubs get all of their things passed and cemented in,while Obama gets all the blame.Then Jebbie comes in in 2016 and just manages the disaster. And American’s have been watching all of this and taking note. Notice the overwhelmingly negative reaction to BobCostas little anti-Second Ammendment diatribe Sunday night. Nearly unanimously negative. Just what do you think the American people are going to do when everything collapses and Obama tries to use that planned collapse,to try and declare a Dictatorship. The collapse as a result of not listening to the American people saying,”STOP!” When the American people have nothing to lose and their Individual Liberty and Freedom to gain. It will be a business like and righteous anger that has not been seen before,as all of this could have been prevented. You and the government are mistaken if you don’t think there will be massive BlowBack!

  • Taylor Momsen

    Mona Charen is a real nutbar.

  • crackermike

    #5, You are so right. Can you see people like your local teachers union leader or college feminists studies professor surviving? These progressive fools are hastening the death of the very civilization that allows for their survival. If it gets really nasty, these people will be cut down on their way to the “old” court house to file their latest discrimination suit. Actually, in a certain way, that would be very satisfying.

  • crackermike

    #43. That was a very good synopsis of what’s going on. These politicians believe they will have firm control over the people when the breakdown occurs. They are wrong. Most cops are good citizens that love the Country; they will not use force to deny Americans civil liberties, especially if the politicians have lost control. Also, the cops know the kinds of arms that are in the hands of the people and that they wouldn’t have even a small chance of survival if they try to suppress the people on a massive scale. Way to many deer rifles , AR’s and AK’s out there. The best military soft body armor won’t stop a 7.62×39. Seals and Delta Force guys get killed by armed insurgents all the time, and local cops sure as hell ain’t Seals or Delta. These politicians are playing a dangerous game.