Gun Club Owner Says Theater Killer’s Membership Application Raised Red Flags (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, July 22, 2012, 5:34 PM
Gun Club owner Glenn Rotkovich told FOX News today that they were concerned about James Holmes after calling his home about his application.
FOX News reported:
Less than a month before carrying out the midnight movie massacre that left 12 dead, suspected shooter James Holmes applied for membership at a private gun range, unnerving the club’s owner whose calls to Holmes’ apartment reached a “creepy, weird” Batman-inspired voicemail message.
“His answering machine message was incoherent, just bizarre, really bizarre — slurring words, but he didn’t sound drunk, just strange — I could make out “James” somewhere in it,” Glenn Rotkovich, of the Lead Valley Range, in Byers, Colo., told FoxNews.com
“I told my staff, here’s the name — James Holmes — this is the person. If he shows up come get me. I need to talk to him before anything else,” he added. “I said, I’m not sure about this guy.’ It was kind of bizarre.”
Holmes is accused of opening fire inside a movie theater, killing a dozen and injuring scores during the midnight premiere of the latest Batman movie “The Dark Knight Rises” early Friday morning in Aurora, Colo. He dyed his hair red, wore full body armor and a gas mask, carried an assault rifle, shotgun, two handguns and, after being arrested in the parking lot, told cops he was the Joker, police said. Police believe Holmes had planned and prepared for months for the attack, which may have cost the unemployed student as much as $8,000, officials said.
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MicahStone commented:
DO NOT BE FOOLED…
From the lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist dictionary:
“gun control” = BANNING ALL GUNS AND RIFLES and shredding the rights of all Americans under the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
MicahStone commented:
“His answering machine message was incoherent, just bizarre, really bizarre — slurring words, but he didn’t sound drunk, just strange…”
STONED, maybe ???
You know you’re in a d-cRAT socialist nanny-state/city when BOTH of the following are true:
1. “…strict gun control laws”
2. nearly unlimited access to ‘medical’ pot
Welcome to Aurora, Colorado.
Joseph commented:
It must be the Obama Economy, It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that things like this keep happening yet we never do anything about how loose the gun laws are.
Don’t worry N.R.A. Even if the Gun laws were a little Stricter no one’s coming in to “Take Yer Guns.”
Redlite commented:
Follow the money. It is all about the money, and who financed this NUT.
Sasja commented:
He was probably getting money from his mother plus drawing unemployment. Anyone know if he had a student loan he could dip into? People do horrible things on their own. They don’t always need a “Mr. Big” to finance them.
Maybe this guy has degenerated psychologically to where he really believes he is the Joker. Who knows? Maybe it’s all an act.
bigkahuna commented:
If this guy had run through a big crowd of people in a Chevy Volt and kilkled as many or more….would they be calling for a ban on electric vehiclles and driving ? I dont think so.
Just sayin….hit the idiots with there own i arguments
Sasja commented:
I don’t think a Chevy Volt could no that much damage. Isn’t it basically a golf cart with doors?
However, if he used an SUV you can bet your bottom dollar the headline would read, “SUV plows into crowd…..”
OT.
This appears innocuous. I mean, what could possibly go wrong? Especially under our current regime.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MARINES_LAW_ENFORCEMENT_BATTALION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-22-17-33-46
Patty commented:
http://patdollard.com/2012/07/264296/
HOLMES speaking at Science Camp
Patty commented:
“I am not sure about this guy”
Now, call the police, that is your clue and cue to called the cops. AND THEY WILL SAY WE REALLY CAN’T DO MUCH.
Now, there is where the problem lies. Cops should occasionally, pass by Holmes residence.
No big deal but just on occasion drive by Holmes residence. Something, anything!
Breitbart's coke dealer commented:
How many other right-wing talking heads have undiagnosed cardiovascular problems? That ruse worked a treat in selling you clowns the story that Breitbart died of natural causes. Breitbart had to be removed so we could manoeuvre a stooge into place to misdirect his followers. I can say all this openly as it will be dismissed as mere scuttlebutt, like every other single world written on sites like this. I could elucidate the whole labyrinthine conspiracy, its goals, its intended outcome, and in the end you’d be powerless to do anything for lack of proof.
The Father of lies has taught his children well.
Mitch Rapp commented:
As Obama so often says – It’s Bush’s fault
Patty commented:
“I told my staff, here’s the name — James Holmes — this is the person. If he shows up come get me. I need to talk to him before anything else,” he added. “I said, I’m not sure about this guy.’ It was kind of bizarre.”
Wow, staff fine. But for the Love Of God, he should have warned the cops, also. And I don’t care what the cops says, at least he would have been on record reported this mad man.
Patty commented:
Colorado shooting spree could have been worse; shooter’s gun jammed, official says
ABC News reported Sunday that Holmes had been studying neuroscience under a grant from the National Institutes of Health, only one of six people annually selected for the honor, according to the report. The network also broadcast a video from a science camp in San Diego that the network said Holmes attended six years ago, at age 18, where he addressed an audience on the topic of subjective experience.
In the video, the person who introduced Holmes to the audience at the science camp said his professional goals were to become a researcher and make scientific discoveries. She said that Holmes enjoyed soccer and strategy games and one day hoped to own a Slurpee machine.
Last fall, Holmes began a four-year doctoral course in neuroscience at a University of Colorado medical campus in Aurora, a Denver suburb. He would be studying the mechanics of the brain, the ways that electrical signals transmit thoughts and sensations. Holmes was part of a small group of first-year students who met together numerous times a week for classes in a small conference room.
Five of the students formed a close bond over their shared classes and workload, and their concerns about being accepted to their preferred research laboratory — a ritual that happened at the end of the first year. But Holmes didn’t share in that bond, one student said. Holmes spoke only when prompted in class, and spoke almost never outside of the classroom.
“I was always trying to get into his head,” said one fellow neuroscience first-year. “If no one had ever said anything to him, he wouldn’t have said a word” all year.[...]
http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2012/07/obamas-regulations-106-four-times-bushs-obama-46b-bush-8-1b-18-8-increase-in-one-year/
WARNINGS SIGNS. Big or small, there are always warning signs.
Peter Warner commented:
Just as in the Zimmerman shooting case, as we get more information, the picture becomes clearer.
When many jumped to point accusations at Tea Party members, and gun owners in general, from this story we discover that the gun range owners noticed unstable behavior in Holmes’s actions, and were prepared to intervene: ‘ “I told my staff, here’s the name — James Holmes — this is the person. If he shows up come get me. I need to talk to him before anything else,” he added. “I said, I’m not sure about this guy.’ It was kind of bizarre.’
From simply listening to a phone message recording.
Meanwhile, fellow students and professors who spent hours (months? years?) with Holmes did not notice, or were not troubled enough, to do anything.
So tell me: who’s the more responsible? The gun owner community, or the education community?
My conclusion is that we need more concealed carrying and gun-capable citizens in our communities. For public safety and social welfare.
Best regards, Peter Warner.
Patty commented:
Red flag and did anyone think to report this? I MEAN REALLY!!
Multitude commented:
In the late 90s, an online service Prodigy got its ass kicked because it demanded restraint on First Amendment rights, declaring limitations on speech and stating that it promised a “family appropriate environment.” When violent language was posted to its forums in spite of the pledge, it was successfully sued for failing to uphold the environment promised. The courts held that Prodigy acted as a guarantor of a certain level of speech, through its actions against the First Amendment, and was subsequently liable when its controls to impose that level failed. It could not claim to be a common carrier, as it had declared it was in control of speech.
Century 16 and its owners have likewise taken it upon themselves to act as a guarantor of a “gun-free zone” per its policies that act optionally against Colorado’s concealed carry law. The company subsequently has assumed liability for this non-standard condition, declaring that it will operate in accordance with controls that ensure no guns go into their theaters. The very failure of this promise implicates the theaters into full liability, given they disarmed their clientele with this pledge that they will separately uphold peace in exchange for forcing clients to not have access to the concealed carry laws. That they failed to do so would appear to evidence that their management is implicated in the crimes, having actually caused them to occur by disarming their clients while negligently doing nothing to ensure their guarantee is effectuated.
Their management and staff ought to do jail time for ensuring their customers were nothing more than sheep for the slaughter. Given the significance of the crime, 30 years or more per employee is the least of reasonable sentences. If you disarm citizens and do jack to provide for your responsibility in that vacuum, you’d be swinging from a tree in prior times.
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