OMG! Muslims Shouting “Allahu Akbar” Stone Christians in Dearborn, Michigan (Video)

A Muslim mob shouting “Allahu Akbar!” erupts and stones Christians in Dearborn injuring the protesters.
The mob threw stones, trash and crates at the Christian demonstrators.
This is crazy!
Via Joe Miller:
(Stone throwing begins at 9:00 minutes)

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  • Rachelle

    If O gets his way he will fill the country with these people.

  • Practical Jane



  • Practical Jane


    He’s been doing it.

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  • It’s finally come to America, the ethnic cleansing of Christians by Muslims a la Somalia, Kenya, Indonesia, Egypt et al. They will drive Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus out of ‘their’ parts of the country. Muslims are the one people in the world who refuse to get along with other people.

  • Mad Hatter

    These second class people come into this country and this is how they treat Americans.

    They’re not fit for our society. They only thing they’re good for is being deported back to Crapistan.

  • Rachelle #1

    Why do you think Muslims are building huge mosques in towns where there are few Muslims? Getting ready for an influx of new migrants from all 57 Muslim countries.

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  • Tim in Cali

    Tick tock…tick tock…tick tock…

    Powder is dry !!!

  • Practical Jane

    If you haven’t watched the whole thing – the whole thing – do.

  • katy

    What courageous men.

    This needs to go viral. TWEET this everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • MVH

    It’s disgusting to see the imperial look on his face when people praise and exault him.

    He E X P E C T S it

  • this persecution of christians was brought to the united states by the american politicans of both parties. all they care about is votes to keep them in power. they care anything about the behavior of the colonizers as long as they vote for them.

    the actions of the police was a disgrace and an insult to policemen everywhere in the country.

  • Peter Warner

    The courage of the Christian group is admirable. Righteous men, each of them.

    I wish I had been among them that day. I would have counseled to refuse to leave, and allow ourselves to be arrested. That would be civil disobedience in the best tradition of Martin Luther King Jr., and would have drawn international attention and support.

    The authorities of the city of Dearborn have brought shame upon their city, and the riotous children and complicit adults have declared the Godlessness of their community.

    Righteous men, You are called: stand for Christ; and exchange the discomfort, and possible resulting pain, for eternal joy.

    In Christ alone, Peter Warner.

  • #14…sorry peter but this will never see the light of day in american tass.

  • Muddywood

    Those cops are COWARDS.

    This is not my United States of America.

  • Practical Jane

    You have it right Peter. Stand your ground.

  • Keyser

    Lock and load. They want a holy war? I’ll be happy to oblige.

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  • Limousine Barry

    Let me be clear, if you don’t vote for me you can expect this type of thing in your neighborhood!

    Look, Deputy Chief Mike Jaafar handled this thing personally. He kicked out the Catholics. I commend him.

    He is my type of guy. Just look at his Jaafar Family Album: All-American Muslim on the internet. He is a guy who knows how handle those unruly Jews… er…Catholics… umm Christians.

    My limousine is running and I have a fund raiser with the Muslim Brotherhood. I gave them $1,500,000,000 so it is only fair that Muslim Brotherhood donate about that amount to my campaign. I cannot answer any more questions. Good day.

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  • eli

    Notice they claim to be pro-America while the Palestinian Territories their god just named ‘their’ largest road [Vladimir] Putin Hwy, look it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Russians do not even like it, because Putin is still alive, so they (Abbas) did it just out of love for Russia’s dictator. Tel Aviv has a George Washington, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagen and Jimmy Carter road respectively as well as one named after RFK and one of the Holocaust museums is named after JFK. Israel also has roads named after Churchill and the Weimar Republic according to my research as well as leaders of the Austro-Hungarian Empire when it was Bohemian.

  • Radegunda

    Islamic values on display. That’s how Muslims behave everywhere, as soon as they think they have enough power. Obviously they have the power in Dearborn.

  • Robert

    It says as much, in fact more, about the police in Dearborn.

    What a pathetic performance by law enforcement.

  • Brae

    they seem to be legally savy. Another law suit should be in order. Strip them of all their funds this time because they obviously aren’t doing their jobs.

  • Greg

    note the age of the rock throwers…….think they will grow up to be responsible

  • CommieJuice

    THIS FUELS ME! My blood is on fire right now! This is why I don’t live in that kind of area and why this plague will NEVER spread to my area. I don’t advocate violence, but you let them get away with this once, they will try to replicate this over and over again. This is utterly disgusting! Not what I needed to see before work!

    Wayne County Deputy Chief Mike Jaafar is horrible! He needs to know it, his superiors need to take action again him!

    [email protected] <— Mike Jaafar's PUBLIC email, tax payer funded

    313-596-2447 <— Internal Affairs for Wayne County Sheriff.

    313-224-2233 <— Contact number for Wayne County Sheriff.

    The officer man with the white mustache looks like he is possibly Daniel Pfannes, Undersheriff. The picture on the website might be older when his hair was still red, but I can't be sure. Either way, with enough calls and complaints to IA, the city's attorney, the Mayor, the state Reps and Senators, the Government any whoever else you can think of, something can be done!

  • Stonedome

    The spirit of anti Christ is descending on the world…it will get much worse. One must determine their own way of protecting themselves, because police allegiance is to the government and they are bound by the politically correct laws of lawyers and politicians.

  • old glazier

    What kind of “religion” teaches their children to speak with such gutter talk while seething with hate like this? All the while the parents look on. Showing them a sign with Jesus’s name on it is like throwing water on the wicked witch.

  • Joe Blow

    They shouldn’t be allowed in the United States. If people don’t wake up soon they will turn this country into one of the middle eastern trash holes. Police would never allow Christians or Jews to behave in such an unlawful manner. It needs to be stopped.

  • mg

    This b.s. will never stop. Until Americans take their country back. Round zem up.

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  • squeaky

    “Why do you think Muslims are building huge mosques in towns where there are few Muslims?” one such example……
    [According to estimates provided by the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, there are 200 to 300 Muslim families living in the area. When they announced their plans to build a 53,000 square foot mega mosque, a lot of questions came up. One subject of concern was why they..]

  • Furrystoat

    A thrown rock can kill. A mob throwing rocks is an imminent threat to life. This is why we have The Second Amendment.

    Use it.

  • BillWhit

    Time to start Locking and Loading on these worshipers of Satan/Allah! There would be no muslims in America if our government, decades ago, started feeling sorry for these mishaps of Satan, because their masters keep them living in the stoneage, so they allowed this scum to come to America. Time to change some laws, which allow Freedom of Religion, which is Right, but if a so-called religion is against our Contitution, against our Laws, and believes in murdering or making slaves of those who don’t believe as they do, then as insanity should not be allowed within American Borders! I raise Pigs and they have more Honor and Dignity than any of these Islamic Koranimals!

  • No Man

    The only good Muslim I ever saw was dead.

  • gorgo

    So why’d the cops pull them over at the end? Did I miss the reason?

  • Jim – EVERYONE!:::

    It is most important to note that the attacks grew more violent the more the Christians retreated.

    THAT is the lesson.

    Appeasement always ONLY encourages them.

    The COPS in this case are no more on the side of our civilization than liberal politicians – especially Holder and Obama.

    They are no for free speech. They are not for Judeo-Christian values.

    They are for quiet.

    And since it is easier to round us up than them, they round us up.

    Anti-jihadists in the USA need to become more effective and that means be as kinetic as the enemy and as litigious as the enemy.


    maybe we need a CHRISTIAN DEFENSE LEAGUE?

  • obama is a fraud

    Dearborn is their headquarters….they multiply like coach roaches..Obama has always been a muslim—he hides the cross.Islamists are violent..very cruel..religion?? what religion cuts off their daughters heads? They all look alike to me..get them out..send them back to IRAN..Syria Yemen…get out. CHristians must fight back. He sends millions to the palenstine, Eypt to help the brudderhood. The DOJ is FULL of staffers who are islamists. Why do you think his policies are so for them?? Look at Holder-he defends 16 FNL terroists in 1999-CLinton gave him Executive Protection–and now?? And our Christian Men & Women faught for them???? And they treat Americans like dog dirt? Makes me sick.

  • Militant conservative

    They wish to die for their

    Religion. My job is to arrange

    The meeting.

    Powder is dry

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  • Gary

    I’m so infuriated I can barely formulate a response.
    I hope this doesn’t go unanswered, and I hope this doesn’t get twisted around where the cops end up being the bad guy.
    This needs to be answered. Maybe a second, much larger protest should be planned.
    If we don’t stop this while it’s a few cities, how will we stop them when it’s all over the country?

  • squeaky

    setting aside the religious angle…….when behavior like this is allowed, those participating interpret it as being acceptable. like spoiled children the problem only becomes harder to correct the longer it is allowed to occur.

  • NoBama2012

    Only in Amerika…

  • Greg Chandler

    Religion is the source of all evil in this world. Muslim lead the charge they are the spawn of Satan himself. They put fear into people that’s why the cops don’t do anything that’s why you do something yourself slit throats and shoot people in the head.

  • mg4us

    #38 reliapundit . . so true about how the mob grows bolder and more violent the more the Christians retreated. . .

    And surprising how much hate is instilled in young kids. . it is perverted. . . and sick. .

    Like the “mickey mouse” in gaza TV that celebrates Jewish kids being killed. . .

    Theses people and kids do not appear to be assimilating into OUR country and culture but rather seems to be usurping it to their benefit. . . and with the help and assistance of local law enforcement.

    The group needs to report this to the Michigan AG. . . and Governor. . . Time to take it up a notch. . .have them investigate the local police refusal to protect and arrest lawbreakers.

    As for the muzi-mob. . .if they want their Sharia law so much. . over OUR Constitution, then go back to where they came from or move to another muzi-state like IRAN or Syria. . . .

  • jdawg

    Worse yet, the police acted as if the Christians were at fault for being there, not the mob. They did nothing to protect the Christians. What’s next? Beheadings?

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  • Stacy

    Guys, Ruben Israel and his group are terrible representatives of Christ and Christianity. They are deliberately offensive (for example, they will go to the funeral of a gay person with signs that say, “God Hates Faggots), so I would advise that we don’t jump on their bandwagon. They deserve to be criticized instead.

    That said, the Dearborn police should have protected them and given as good a lecture to the Muslim kids as they gave to Mr. Israel. The kids need to be shamed and mocked on Youtube just as much as the brats on the school bus monitor video. The price for living in this country under our Constitution is learning to walk away from people like Israel’s group. Throwing a temper tantrum is NOT acceptable at any time. Grow up Muslims – the Constitution protects everybody’s speech, not just yours.

  • JimR

    I see how they get the so well deserved reputation of being a religion of peace.

    One thing I noticed in watching these hate-mongers – they are VERY insecure about what they believe in, they have to attack other religions because their’s is on a very shaky foundation.

    I have a God who doesn’t need me to defend him, but I do hope these terrorists remember that my religion does allow me to defend my family, my country, and my personal well-being.

  • AuntieMadder

    @ Peter Warner #14: Saturday, July 11, 2009
    Arab Muslim Festival 2009: Sharia in the US – Our Freedoms are Under Siege
    “Well, a couple of great Americans went to that hatefest-ival – and look what happened in America. This is free speech under siege. These folks were harassed and intimidated, aided and abetted by law enforcement.”

    Saturday, June 19, 2010
    Non-Muslims Arrested for Attending an Arab {Muslim} Festival in Dearborn: “Breaching the Peace”
    Note: I don’t recall these arrests making national news.

    Saturday, June 18, 2011
    Christian Groups Physically Attacked in Dearborn, Michigan
    “We’re here in Dearborn because they have issues with free speech,” said Ruben Israel.
    He says the group was enraged about the four missionaries arrested last July at the Arab American Festival, for their shouting their own religious message. It was a protest that officials deemed disorderly.
    “When you arrest men for passing out literature, you’re going to get guys like us,”

  • pdxnag

    Can you imagine the size of the lawsuit if the cops used deadly force to stop a mob of 8 year old stoners? These babies are already past the point of no return.

    A future Arab festival will joyously celebrate gas chambers to exterminate Jews Christians Atheists and anyone non-Muslim, including non-Muslim Arabs.

  • dmacleo
  • gorgo

    “Guys, Ruben Israel and his group are terrible representatives of Christ and Christianity. They are deliberately offensive (for example, they will go to the funeral of a gay person with signs that say, “God Hates Faggots)”

    Sounds more like Fred Phelps. Can you document this group in Dearborn does it too?

  • MAJ Mike

    Christians are much better armed in the U.S. than they are in Nigeria, Egypt, etc.

    If it comes to it, there will be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

  • Gary

    Stacy 49

    How sure are you about that? I think you could be mixing this guy up with the Westboro Baptist Church/Fred Phelps group.

    This guy Israel has spoken out against those people and their funeral protests.
    Below is an excerpt from Israel’s statement on that:

    Over the years I’ve worked with Fred Phelps as we bumped into each other during our travels. Once while I was arrested, Fred somehow heard from Topeka and called my home, he talked with Colleen, regarding getting me out of jail. I/we have had no burden to preach at sodomite funerals……since……EVER, I/we believe as our Lord said, “let the dead bury the dead.”

    However over the past few years, we have heard and seen strange fire within the Fred camp. His daughter (Shirley Phelps-Roper) has a hold of the helm and seems to run the ship. Reports of cussing like a trucker have been confirmed. Preaching at our fallen soldiers funerals nationwide and thanking God for IED’s, is beyond mad. And now threatening to preach at the funeral of the Amish girls that were murdered at that Pennsylvania school, has moved street preachers to action.

    We will now go out of our way and confront them. We will preach to them as we did to those that believe Paul Hill was a hero. At this point, I know of 40 men that will make time and preach against this group if ever in their state, to distant ourselves from them in public, as well as a good open rebuke as most know we can do.

    We will be making banners geared just for them and send them out to unroll and confront them in public with a week. Any suggestions regarding banners, please submit and I/we will consider. For example: “Dead bury Dead” and verses with false teachers/prophets.

  • geri whalen

    Is this real life? I feel like I’m watching some terribly scripted horror movie!

  • Stacy

    I have to correct my earlier statement about Ruben Israel – he apparently targets gay pride parades, not funerals (like the Westboro Baptist group).

    This is David Wood’s (of Acts 17 Ministries) comment on the topic when asked about who these so-called “Christians” are:

    ” His group is the sort that shows up at gay parades with signs that say “God Hates Fags” and such. At the Dearborn Arab Festival, they came with a pig’s head on a pole, along with signs saying “Muhammad Was a Pervert” and “Muhammad Was a Pedophile.”

    Again, I’d say that the city brought this on themselves. But if he’s targeting Dearborn because of our arrests, he’s confronting the wrong people. The mayor’s office would be a much better place for a demonstration.”


    What Israel and his group did was classless and obnoxious. Let’s not embrace their tactics as somehow acceptable and “Christian” – because they aren’t.

  • Stacy

    Gary #56

    I just corrected my mistake (I confused the two groups). Though as you can see, according to David Wood – who was at the festival – their actions were Westboro-ish. We should be wary of embracing them in my opinion.

  • Stacy

    Ok, one more correction – David Wood didn’t say Israel’s group was Westboro-ish, I said that.

    Sheesh. I’m going to go get some more coffee.

  • Jack

    Peter Warner commented:

    “I would have counseled to refuse to leave, and allow ourselves to be arrested. That would be civil disobedience in the best tradition of Martin Luther King Jr., and would have drawn international attention and support.”

    I don’t know whether to feel disgusted or refreshed by your naivete, Peter. No media in the world would ever EVER publicize Christian victims of persecution. The Dearborn Muslims could have stoned these Christians to death, and the spin would be that the Muslims were “standing their ground” and “fighting for their lives” against “racist, violent, Christian hicks who don’t believe in evolution or women’s rights”. In the media’s eyes, Christianity is the world’s greatest Evil.

  • AuntieMadder

    @ Peter Warner #14: At my #51 I said that I don’t recall seeing anything about the 2010 arrests in the national news. I take that back. I recall seeing either a couple of the men arrested or one of the men arrested and his/their attorney or spokesperson on one of the talk shows on cable news (Hannity’s program on Fox, perhaps) talking about filing suit for having been arrested. I do not recall the arrests being reported on national news, only by bloggers such as Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs.

  • Gary


    Let me preface my comment by stating that I’m an atheist.

    I applaud this guy’s efforts. He’s on the front lines of what some of us already see as a coming culture war in America, namely whether the Judeo-Christian ethic will stand or be consumed by the Islamofascist ethic.

    I’m glad there are some Christians out there who aren’t so spineless that they shrink away from Islam, but rather confront it. These Muslims need to be reminded that they are in a majority Christian nation.

    If they are this brazen when they are this outnumbered, what will they be like when they outnumber us (which they’re working on)?

    By the way, as for Muhammed being a pedophile, he married a 6 year old girl, and by the laws he wrote, allowed Muslim men to start having sex with these child brides when the girls turned 9. And that isn’t just stuff that happened in 600 a.d. It’s the practice in Yemen right now.

    Christians need to stand up against Islam. If they don’t then America will be the next Lebanon.

    If you don’t know what I mean by that, read Brigitte Gabrielle’s “They Must Be Stopped”.

  • Gary

    Jack, Peter Warner, Auntie Madder

    Again as an atheist, I’ve had my disagreements with Peter, but on #14, I agree 100%. It may be “off-putting” to look at, but this kind of confrontation is the only thing that will slowdown the takeover that Muslims have in mind for this entire planet.

    However, I also agree with Jack that you’re dreaming if you think this will get widespread media coverage. I personally forwarded this to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Hopefully one will pick it up. Maybe Glenn Beck would be a better bet.

  • Economan

    Hate crime! I’m sure the MSM will be all over this…

  • donh

    These are people Milosevich was dealing with in Kosovo . We decided fighting islam was evil bigotry and came down hard taking the side of the islamists, and brought them over here to live in Dearborn.

  • AuntieMadder

    @ Gary: I understand the reason that Stacy posted her comment about not jumping on the bandwagon, as she put it. There’s a tendency, at least among those who read and comment at conservative blogs like this one, to make instant heroes of, and to throw complete, blind support behind, those who say something – just one thing – with which we agree. (When I saw comments that read “Pastor Terry Jones for President” and “Jones in 2012” during his tussles with Muslims and the current mob in the White House, I didn’t know whether to scream or laugh at such foolishness.)

    I don’t know jack about Reuben Israel and his group and, so, I have no opinion, high or low, of them. And it wouldn’t matter if I did. Regardless of what I think of them or of their message, I support their right to speak their mind. The same for Terry Jones and his congregation’s right to express their opinion of Islam or whatever else, whether by speaking it, by organized protests or by burning copies of the Quran (Qurans that they own, of course; it’s not cool to burn someone else’s property). The same for Westboro Baptist, a group with whose tactics and messages I almost always disagree. (Fortunately, those who support the families of fallen soldiers have the right to line the streets, making it impossible for the protesters from Westboro to take their hurtful messages near enough to the funerals and burial sites to affect their loved ones.) Hell, for that matter, even the Muslim kids of Dearbornistan have the right to stand and argue with Reuben Israel and the rest of his group until the cows come home; they do not and did not, however, have the right to physically assault Reuben and company and should have been hauled off to the Dearbornistan juvenile detention center for doing so.

    In summary, I understand why Stacy urged readers not to make heroes of Reuben and company without knowing more about them. Further, she admitted to posting some mixed up, messed up stuff due to caffeine-deficiency-impairment, so those comments or portions of her comments are now mute. Finally, I have no opinion of Reuben and company and don’t need one, anyway, to support their First Amendment right to speak their mind without Dearbornistan police allowing them to be assaulted and then blaming them for having been assaulted so as justify denying them their right to free speech. (Has me wondering what they’re taught during training and what orders Dearbornistan cops are given. Are they told straight-up to appease the Muslims to keep the peace, you think? Or is it unspoken, common knowledge among Dearbornistan’s finest?)

  • gorgo


    I applaud your opposition to Phelps but please allow a sincerely meant suggestion. If you’re an atheist, you may want to let Christians (preferably Bible only fundamentalists like myself) deal with the Phelps cult. This we can do, quite handily, and I’m sure some are already out there doing it. We’re better suited to the task, you’ll pardon my saying so, and our actions can’t be misconstrued as an attack on all Christians or as a blanket defense of whatever Phelps attacks (namely, sodomy) which, to tell the truth, yours could and probably would be. Like I say, just a thought.

  • Gary


    I’m usually an ardent supporter of free speech too, including in this case, and I have never supported the concept of “hate speech”, but I do draw lines on what should be tolerated by the public. I think the Westboro Baptist Church’s protests should not be protected by the first amendment. It isn’t because I don’t agree with them, but because it is clear to a reasonable person that the behavior and speech is intended to inflict pain on the aggrieved. I’m confident that is not what James Madison had in mind when protecting us from having the government clamp down on its criticizers.

    These guys have by no means crossed the Westboro line. Having watched the full 22 minutes, I was amazed at their restraint. All their talk was on signs. They barely engaged verbally and did not respond physically at all. What was ironic was the people pelting them with objects and yelling about freedom of religion.
    Ironic because: 1) in the country of Iraq, where the one screamer was from, Christianity and Judaism are not tolerated, and people there are persecuted for not being Muslim. It’s only the majority Christian nation of the U.S. that protects these muslims’ right to practice their religion.
    2) In the act of screaming about freedom of religion, they are proactively trying to shut down the Christians’ freedom of religion.

    My point before, and now still, is that we’d better learn as a nation how to confront Islam, because Islam is intent on confronting us. They don’t respect tolerance, and they have no intention of peaceful coexistence. These guys are the vanguard taking the first slings and arrows. It might make some people uncomfortable to see our side taking it to them, but you really don’t want to wait until they’re ready to take it to us.
    Case in point: 9/11.


  • Stacy


    It isn’t your faith that’s being drug through the mud because of Israel’s actions. What good is it if Christians are discredited because of Israel’s stupidity? More importantly, we lose ground in our battle to defend the Constitution because of the ill will that Israel’s actions generate. He makes Muslims “victims” – and the unthinking, uninformed, politically correct American automatically takes their side. If we want to win this fight, we need more people to see Shariah for what it is: a threat to our constitutional rights. Instead, Israel and his ilk are driving them away in droves.

    I agree with you that we need people with spines, but there’s a right way and a wrong way to go about it. David Wood regularly confronts Muslims about their beliefs. He’s been falsely arrested by the city of Dearborn and is currently suing them for damages over it (which he will most likely win). I encourage you to go watch the videos of his outreach efforts (peacefully passing out Bibles and tracts, debating Muslims, going on ABN). He’s having an effect, and because he behaves like a Christian and a gentleman, and has suffered unjustly, he has far more credibility than Israel and his gang. In my opinion we need to make sure we all follow David’s model very closely, or else we will lose.

    I have read Brigitte Gabriel’s book. It’s excellent and I recommend it to everyone I talk to.

  • Gary


    With all due respect, the Westboro Baptists are a church in name only. What they do is not a Christian internal matter. They do it publicly at the funerals of soldiers. That makes it a society issue, not a church one. Furthermore, as Israel himself pointed out about Westboro (see my link above) there is some very unchurchy stuff happening with the Phelps people.
    So I don’t feel compelled to leave that in the capable hands of the Christians.

    I will however put Westboro way back on the back burner when it comes to the culture war. The muslims are a far greater concern for the future of this country, and thus far, Christians have shown themselves woefully unprepared to deal with the coming conflict.

  • Gary

    That’s a pretty thin argument.
    First, these guys actions will neither convert Muslims to Christianity nor vice versa.
    It was a confrontation meant to send a message. I think their message was heard, even if for a moment.

    Second, you can’t make blanket statements on “Christians”. There are many, many divisions within the various denominations of Christianity, some so deep that one denomination thinks the other denomination is hellbound. So I don’t think anybody sees Christianity as monolithic the way they do Islam.

    Lastly, your religion isn’t being drug through the mud. If you think so, then how do you reconcile the many murderers, rapists, robbers, pedophiles, etc. in this country that is 80%+ Christian? Does that mean every person who believes in Christianity and commits a crime has given the church a black eye? Of course not. People are individuals and everybody knows that. If you don’t like what these Christians did, it doesn’t mean they are not Christian or they have done harm to Christianity. People who support them will praise them (as I do) and people who oppose what they did will condemn their actions (as you do). At the end of the day, our overall views of Christianity will not be changed.

    But I do think their courage could serve as a shot in the arm to Christians who feel helpless against the growing “religion” of Islam.

  • Patty

    Deputy Chief Jaafar articulated the solution to the problem by saying that if he had two officers assigned to Mr. Israel’s group everything “would work great”. This reporter believes Chief Jaafar because he has special training in Executive Protection according to his bio. It is beyond belief that Chief Jaafar could not or would not, pull two officers out of all those officers standing around to protect Mr. Israel’s right of free speech without fear of bodily harm. This reporter believes there was criminal negligence on the part of Deputy Chief Jaafar and the WCSD because Mr. Israel and his friends were the victims of Assault and Battery, injuries were sustained, and Chief Jaafar did not intervene to protect the victims of a possible 3rd Degree Felony happening under his and Ms. Henry’s supervision. The WCSD has a duty to serve and protect.

  • Patty

    Dearborn Police Department

    Police StationThe City of Dearborn Police Department reflects the highest standards of modern day professional law enforcement. Since its inception in 1929, the department has evolved into a premier, full service, law enforcement agency. Recognized as a leader among police agencies in Michigan, the Dearborn Police Department prides itself in providing a force of over 200 highly trained officers equipped with state-of-the-art police equipment.


  • Gary


    You make an excellent point. We’ve been bashed all over the world as a nation of Muslim-haters, and nothing we do can change hearts and minds in the Middle East. They overlook everything we tried to do in Yugoslovia.

    Sadly, upon auditing a class at the local college as I sometimes do, I heard one Muslim kid who’d been rescued from Kosovo by U.S. soldiers tell a class that he wasn’t sure exactly what the war had been about. I just shook my head.

    I know I’m beating the drum today, but the confrontation is coming. On whose terms is the only question.

  • Gary


    Just to follow up. In broad terms, I think we have very similar views. It is only on the question of how useful these guys’ actions are that we disagree.

    I do encourage anybody who hasn’t to read Brigitte Gabrielle’s “Why They Hate” and “They Must Be Stopped”. The first book devotes a lot of early chapters to Gabrielle’s life as a young girl in Lebanon when it was essentially converted from a Christian nation to a Muslim one after Lebanon took in hordes of Palestinian refugees. (Sound familiar?)

  • AuntieMadder

    I posted something way wrong @ #67. We have no “First Amendment right to free speech.” The First Amendment protects our right to free speech from an overreaching govt, it doesn’t grant or bestow it. This is an important distinction because what the govt gives, the govt can take away or, simply, cease to give.

  • Paul

    I don’t understand what politics has anything to do with this. I see christian people going to a place that is full of muslims trying to celebrate their religion and inciting violence. Why dont the christians in this video have a christian parade and just not allow muslims there? Why do they have to act as bullies? There were no rocks and there was no urine, all I see is propaganda that is trying to vilify the police and Obama for no reason. I’m not a fan of Obama and I am a christian, but I’m very disturbed at the way this video was made and the lies it’s pushing.

    I hope this comment doesn’t get deleted just because I disagree… freedom of speech and all..

  • Gary

    Auntie 78

    Got it.
    That was also the gist of my earlier response to you in paragraph one of #69.

  • Stacy


    I think we do have very similar views, and yes, I think our disagreement is over how useful their actions are. Going by Paul’s reaction – not at all uncommon, going by comments I’ve read in other places – it’s incredibly counter productive. We need people like Paul to see the threat to our constitution, not take away the idea that Muslims are somehow being “bullied”.

  • Gary

    Paul 79

    It wasn’t staged in a studio. If they say stones and urine were thrown, I’ll take their word for it.

    Stones and urine are two things muslims are known to throw at Christians:

    In the same city last year. they threw urine at the Terry Jones crowd:

    Don’t know why it’s suddenly so hard for you to believe.

    As for muslims celebrating their religion, I thought it was an “Arab Festival” not a “Muslim Festival”. Are you saying Arab and Muslim are the same? That the race denotes the religion? Or did you really just not know what they were celebrating and therefore make an uninformed comment?

  • Gary

    Furthermore, comments on this site are deleted only for vulgarity or abuse, not for disagreement. I’m actually glad the comments are allowed to stand and the user can’t edit them. I hate the sites where people can amend their statements and claim they never said something.
    Makes people a little more careful this way (or at least it should).

  • Patty

    Yes, Muslims and this video shows that our nation has been infiltrated with other religions for years. These are kids, kids have parents who believe the same way these teens do.

    Now, those who were holding signs were much older. They were just holding signs as we all see it. Signs about Jesus.

    There is a huge Religious Generation Gap in America. Less kids are attending Church and less talk about Jesus or God in our nation’s schools.


    More than one-quarter of American adults (28%) have left the faith in which they were raised in favor of another religion – or no religion at all. If change in affiliation from one type of Protestantism to another is included, 44% of adults have either switched religious affiliation, moved from being unaffiliated with any religion to being affiliated with a particular faith, or dropped any connection to a specific religious tradition altogether.

    The survey finds that the number of people who say they are unaffiliated with any particular faith today (16.1%) is more than double the number who say they were not affiliated with any particular religion as children. Among Americans ages 18-29, one-in-four say they are not currently affiliated with any particular religion.

    This is the real problem and with Obama in charge, it will only get worse. You saw what he has done to the Catholic Church. The timing couldn’t have been better for the Muslims under Obama administration. THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM AND SO ARE THE POLICE’S ACTIONS HERE.


  • Patty

    Freedom of speech and Freedom of Religion. Both in this video show the divisions and to question this and the realization we will be facing in a major way in coming years.

    This shouldn’t be a reflection on the great nation but it will be. It is like a cancer. A tumor that may not go away. It is scary thought, it is like the Death of a nation and it is playing out on this video.

  • Stacy


    I am very worried about America’s faith too. If we’re no different from the people who oppose us, we’re toast.

  • Robert

    This shows perfectly the intolerance of islam that leads to totalitarianism. And that is the reason why it is political as well as cultural.

    Just like the current Democrat vision, these people think that they can install a utopia here on earth. The methods necessary to do that would require ignoring the restrictions placed upon government by the Constitution, just as Hussein the Beggar and Choom King is doing.

    “The police acted stupidly.” They allowed the situation to escalate, refused to protect the rights of the minority group, turned a blind eye to violent assault, and then flat-out lied when citing available manpower as the excuse.

    The entire leadership of Dearborn, including the “community” leadership, should hang their heads in shame.

  • Patty

    #86 June 27, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Stacy commented:

    a bit of good news, Stacy!!

    More and More People Choosing Life

  • Patty

    OT but this may be a real game changer, in just about EVERYTHING! We can only Pray.

    “Obama’s White Support Is Too Low to Win” a headline that needs no explanation

  • Patty
  • Patty


    Is Obama Planning to Reinstate Obamacare via Executive Order?

    I wouldn’t put it passed him. No love lost between him and SCOTUS

  • Patty

    It is us against them. It is becoming a dog eat dog king of world. Hope the good come up on Top.

  • Patty


    Muslim agenda and Obama

    You will have to read article on site.

  • AuntieMadder

    Gary, I spent a good bit of time composing a thoughtful response to your comment(s) addressed to me. Then, I hit the wrong key(s) and lost it…all of it. I’m now too disgusted with myself about it to type it again. Oh, well…it can’t be any great loss. I’ve nothing to say that I didn’t learn from those smarter than myself, so you’ve probably already read or heard it already, whether you agreed with it or not, anyway.

  • Joanne

    Christians unite. The Bible says Christians will be persecuted in the end times, and in no other time in history have Christians been so persecuted.

    I say, non-muslims, who are of God, leave Dearborn, and then light ‘er up. What a cesspool of degenerates. Those youngsters are probably not even close to be as disgusting as their foul-mouthed parents. The thing that gets me with muslims is even their women have such foul-mouths – they are constantly spewing profanities…., which is actually consistent with what God speaks about these people.

  • Stacy

    Patty #88

    Thanks, that was encouraging to read. 🙂

  • Joanne

    The whole thing is the mentality that ‘you made them do it…..with your existence’. The fact that you ‘exist’ means muslims have the right to kill you….that is the bottom line. If you are a Christian, muslims believe they have the right to kill you. Are people getting this? The reason they get away with this in Dearborn is because there are so damn many muslims there, and the police force are a bunch of ‘candy asses’.

    Is Deputy Chief Jaafar a muslim?

    Let’s reverse the situation. A bunch of muslims have signs about their religion, and a whole lot of Christians throw stones, bottles, eggs, rocks, etc. What would these same police do then? And people thought the police and military wouldn’t turn into a bunch of brown shirts. Sorry people, but history is repeating itself, only this time Americans have fallen out of God’s fold and have become the pawns of Satan.

  • Winston Wolfe

    I hope this comment doesn’t get deleted just because I disagree… freedom of speech and all.. – Paul #79

    I see. So, you don’t think this group should have the freedom to speak out – however rude as it may be – but yet you claim First Amendment rights on somebody’s private blog.

    You need to pull your head out of your ass and understand what the First Amendment actually protects.

  • hillbillyjim

    What a sick-making display of cowardice by that alleged “law officer”.

    If he gets to keep his job after that outrageous negligent failure, the city of Dearborn can be written off. It looks like the mayor, and the law enforcement “leadership” have abrogated their duties and have ceded the streets to any unruly mob of Muslims that gets loud, obnoxious and violent.

    Reprehensible. I used to have relatives in Dearborn, but they’ve long since sold out and moved elsewhere. It used to be a lovely suburban area with relatively little crime considering its proximity to Detroit.

  • Gary

    Auntie Madder

    I’ve done that myself a time or two.
    It doesn’t matter anyway. I’ve read enough of your comments over the past couple years to understand where you’re coming from.
    At the end of the day, you, I, and several of the other people on this thread don’t have differences in views deep enough to put us on opposite sides of an ideological divide.
    And I think we view the 1st amendment essentially the same way.

    As for the church, I’m atheist, but certainly not anti-Christian. My sympathies are aligned with the church, and I highly prefer a majority Christian nation to a life dhimmitude.
    I just hate to see our side busting each other’s chops when there is a clear and present danger.

    I’m still glad those guys did what they did. I hope people see this video and next year, either teems of Christians show up to make the muslims cower like they always do in the face of force, or cause the city to shut down this idiotic “Arab Festival”.

  • Gary

    Joanne 97

    You’re exactly right. The cops whole view was that these guys’ presence was the reason for the problem. So, as the cameraman said, their riotous behavior was rewarded.

    Wow! Where do I sign up for this religion? Your presence offends me so much it’s making me throw hard objects at you. The police better show up soon and escort you away from me, you troublemaker!

  • Gary

    Winston Wolfe 98


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  • nottheway

    First off, I will say there’s a brick in my stomach right now… Why? Because the religious church in America is going to be taken apart… just like the 1st century. Why? Like Ron Paul has said too… why are we suprised when the world hates us when we invade the countries of the world trying to take control… Just like the religious church… they’ve ruined the reputation of Jesus with their condemnation of sinners. Jesus didn’t condemn sinners and unbelievers!!! Like these people in video carrying their “sinners going to hell” signs. What do they expect. It makes me mad too! Jesus never condemned people like this, only the religious unloving people calling themselves God’s people. Jesus came to save the world not condemn. Now the world has nothing but an impotent gospel of “save yourself” apart from GRACE of God.

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    i’m confused..

    Muslims believe in Jesus..

    so what was the problem?? /s/


  • how dumbed down are we bg


    thank God it wasn’t the other way around huh?? /s/

    not to mention that no matter how wrong
    the sign men may or may not have been..


    that’s what the law is for..


  • Stacy

    Gary #100

    I just saw this posted on Pamela Geller’s site. I’m very curious what your takeaway of this news report is. I honestly can’t see the positive. Actually, I’d say one of the huge negatives was that the Muslims were allowed to introduce their Shariah inspired idea that there are some things that are beyond the limits of the First Amendment.

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    been posting about creeping Sharia since 9/11..

    Shariah in American Courts

    These cases are the stories of Muslim American families, mostly Muslim women and children, who were asking American courts to preserve their rights to equal protection and due process. These families came to America for freedom from the discriminatory and cruel laws of Shariah. When our courts then apply Shariah law in the lives of these families, and deny them equal protection, they are betraying the principles on which America was founded.

    The study’s findings suggest that Shariah law has entered into state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy. Some commentators have said there are no more than one or two cases of Shariah law in U.S. state court cases; yet we found 50 significant cases just from the small sample of appellate published cases.

    Others have asserted with certainty that state court judges will always reject any foreign law, including Shariah law, when it conflicts with the Constitution or state public policy; yet we found 15 Trial Court cases, and 12 Appellate Court cases, where Shariah was found to be applicable in these particular cases. The facts are the facts: some judges are making decisions deferring to Shariah law even when those decisions conflict with Constitutional protections.

    Shariah Law and American State Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases includes summaries of several cases in which the court’s application of Shariah law appears to be in direct conflict with Constitutional liberties and the public policies of the state.


  • This video embroils my soul. Unbelievable that in this country would have cowards that are wearing the badge of civilian security. Instead, they protect and reward sharia law, Islam and the devil. Did any of you know having even mosques in this nation is unconstitutional? It is. Because the whole purpose behind Islam is complete takeover. Islam will not bow to the constitution it will remove it just like Obama is doing right now…

  • Bruiserman

    I find it sad that religion is the source of so much violence in our world. We are in a relatively quiet time for Christianity but it’s not like it has always been that way. I wouldn’t have a problem with religion if it wasn’t for the violent nature caused by the us vs. them mentality that tends to come along with these beliefs. I guarantee that violence in the world would drop significantly if religion disappeared.

    I mean just in the above comments we see people who are ready to go up against the Muslims cause they are wrong and Christianity is right. Onward Christian soldier right? When will it end?

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    re: #108 June 27, 2012 at 1:45 pm bg

    America: A Sharia-Compliant State (#97)

    more here (#17) here (#11) here (#) in connecting links & threads..


  • how dumbed down are we bg


    Bruiserman #110 June 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    how many ‘Christians’ around the globe have been warring
    against other religious groups for literally centuries now??


  • rolling thunder

    Americans are fortunate in that they only have a few communities like Dearborn. In Europe, there are now thousands of Dearborns, always ready to burst into rage at the slightest provocation to Muslim’s infinite sensibilities. Of course, given the absurdity of American immigration law, I fully expect America will within a decade have thousands of Dearborns. Like a cunning shark, Islam smells weakness in the West. The political class is corrupt, the legal system can be exploited, and the media is bought.

  • Lazy

    Looks like the story was picked up by The Blaze. Glenn Beck and company are good people.

  • Stacy

    Bruiserman 110#

    The point for most of us here is that Islam is a religion *and* a state. A state with laws that protect the supremacy of Islam over all other faiths – not just over Christianity. This is an issue for Atheists, Pagans, Buddhists; for everyone who values human rights and our Constitution. I hope you see that.

  • Smarty

    Michigan is a concealed carry state- but sadly the jury in Dearborn would be full of Obama supporters.

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    Bruiserman #110 June 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    yes, there are some who refuse see the log in Islams eye in their own..

    however, those are OPINIONS not FACTS..

    as a matter of fact, way too many Christians & Muslims haven’t
    a clue as to the facts vs falsities related to their own religious/
    poligious beliefs..

    however again, Christians do not live their religion in the past, nor
    through the politics of POLITICS CORRECTNESS.. fact is ISLAM is a

    there are also many ANTI-ISLAMIST American Muslims who
    are advocates for the SEPARATION OF MOSQUE & STATE..

    which brings me full circle re: the logs in eyes.. *sigh*


  • how dumbed down are we bg


    re: #117 June 27, 2012 at 2:21 pm bg



  • how dumbed down are we bg
  • squeaky #33

    Yes, the United States is being colonized and occupied by Muslims. It is no accident they are starting in areas like Tennessee which is steeped in the lore of Boone, Crockett, Bowie et al and is mountainous like homelands of Muslims. They are invading from every direction, the southern border, cargo ships, flying in with their first cousin baghead wives. Thanks for the article.

  • Gary

    Thanks for the post.
    I’ll defer to BG’s research on that.
    I know the issue has been batted around on this forum at some point when a judge appeared to be heeding Sharia law in some kind of arbitration. But in the case I’m thinking of, I believe it was muslim-to-muslim private deal, not a “legal” issue, so the concerns were overstated.

    As far as Sharia law goes with the U.S. Constitution, it’s a no-go from the start.
    Here’s a good article written partially in reference to this exact same “festival” two years ago:

  • Stacy


    Thanks for the article. I’ll check that out. 🙂

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    re: #111 June 27, 2012 at 1:55 pm bg

    Muslim Judge v Atheist Victim

    [more in connecting links, and video/audo here]

    Federal court blocks Oklahoma ban on Sharia

    [scroll thread for much more]

    again, that was just a sample..

    “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!” ~ Barack Hussein Obama..


  • On twitter the last couple of days, I am seeing a growing number of tweets that permute hate. The hate that I am talking about is toward Muslims. Now I will be the first to agree that the radical factions within the Muslim religion are a threat to America. I will also claim that not all Muslims hold the same animosity toward us. Just like any other people, some have come to this country to get away from the oppression from their religious leaders, and governments. Does this sound familiar? Didn’t our founding fathers do the same thing? I feel that the New Socialists in America, the ones who are spreading dissention among us, are seceding. We see this hate being transferred to our children, so we are breeding it more and more. This is not just an epidemic in America; it is and has been an epidemic within the Muslim world. This kind of tactic was used by people like Hitler, etc. You all l know this by now, it is nothing new. If you want to take America back, like you all profess to want, then do it the right way. We must, as a people, show love to one another, and be respectful. By the same token, we must be ever watchful for our enemy’s to raise their heads, but until they do we have an obligation as Americans to allow everyone on our soil to live in peace. If anyone breaks our laws they should be dealt with swiftly. Any hate speech should be looked at as a crime, and be dealt with swiftly. Case in point, the Black Panthers, who have threatened the majority of the American people. Any member of this group should be arrested, and prosecuted. If our President receives a threat to his life, the government will arrest that person. Why is it not the same for the rest of the American people?
    We should hold everyone, including the Muslims of Dearborn, to the same laws we have to follow. This would also include the “Christians” that went there just to film the reaction so they could help in the spread of hate in America. I urge each and every one who reads this, not to be a part of this. We must spread the hope that America will once again reach its status as a light to the world. A light that shows the way to peace, understanding, and equality for all the people of earth.

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    re: #111 June 27, 2012 at 1:55 pm bg

    Speaker Pelosi: Stand Up for Muslim
    Women, Not Islamists Like Rauf!

    In the name of religious freedom, political correctness in America
    only pleases the patriarchal hierarchy of the Muslim world. In the
    name of religious freedom, America permits Muslim communities
    to run a state within a state, perpetuating the patriarchal crimes
    against helpless women and children who should have their
    constitutional rights defended.

    scroll threads for more here and here,
    in connecting links & threads as well..


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  • how dumbed down are we bg


    Mike Sucher #124 June 27, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Militant Islamism to the U.S. Military

    [scroll thread for more]

    Terror czar deserves honorary membership
    in the Muslim Brotherhood .. Feb 18, 2010

    [“How can we possibly confront Islamist radicalization if the
    President’s principal advisor on counterterrorism cannot
    appropriately identify political Islam as the problem?” said
    Jasser. “Al Qaida is merely one of many tools of militant
    political Islam. It is the ideology that they adhere to that
    we must be at war with and counter frontally in the public
    sector, because it is at war with us.

    As we have seen over the past year, the common thread of
    theo-political Islam is what drives militants around the world.
    Mr. Brennan and the President must provide leadership in
    articulating the real threat and addressing the root cause of
    Islamist terror. The Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists can
    speak for themselves.”

    “We are living a moment that maybe
    similar to (Adolf) Hitler’s rise to power.”

    ~ Gamal el-Ghetani

    more here, in connecting links & threads..

    Military insignia removed from Bibles

    again, just a sample of so much more.. *sigh*


  • how dumbed down are we bg


    as it is in Muslim Countries, the enemy of the US is within.. 🙁


  • l.barney


  • mcc

    As a Christian, I was uncomfortable with what I could read on the signs carried by R. Israel and the others with him. I would not have joined him.

    From what I understand, these Christians attended an earlier festival carrying even more provocative remarks:

    #58 — At the Dearborn Arab Festival, they came with a pig’s head on a pole, along with signs saying “Muhammad Was a Pervert” and “Muhammad Was a Pedophile.”

    If so, then it would explain why these young people seem to have come prepared to fight back against any insult this year. They were in the wrong, of course, and the officers should have protected the sign-carriers and arrested whomever was guilty of assault.

    But – even though they showed calm – I’m saddened and ashamed that these Christians chose to do this. There are far better ways to win a heart to Christ and to share one’s faith. This was certainly not one of them. It was almost a taunt. And we’re called not to tempt a man to sin, but to love our enemy. Those signs didn’t appear to carry messages of love.

    However, this – and every – mayor in America should make clear to the Arab community that we have freedoms and laws that, in no uncertain terms, will be followed or the lawbreaker suffers the consequences.

    I agree with those who believe an enemy to our civilized way of life is now living among us. One that will grow more menacing as time passes, given its history. All the more reason to strictly adhere to our laws. They’re there for our protection.

    The Dearborn officers failed to do their duty that day. And we’ll suffer the consequences. The enemy is emboldened.

  • Pastor Dan Smith

    First, the Christians need to forgive the Muslims, personally. Secondly they need to contact the Attorney General about lack of police protection, and possible prosecution of the offenders. Just because we forgive someone, does not mean that justice should not be served against those who commit violence.

  • Shaheryar

    This will probably get neg repped to the 7th layer of hell in the internets, but I can’t just sit here and read all this hate.

    As a conservative and Muslim I find it pretty sad that there is so much hate on both sides.

    I can’t begin to describe the rage I felt toward the alleged Muslim stone and trash throwers (most of them appear to be kids and teens) when watching this video. However with that said the “Christians” were not exactly innocent as the video seems to portray them. It’s clear they were there amongst a gathering of Muslim families and spouting anti-Islamic messages and posters….is it not?

    Now I agree the physical stone/trash throwing was out of bounds and completely uncalled for and an embarrassment. Also the fact that the police disappeared is pretty damn horrible and disturbing to say the least.

    However if you look at the crowd, those are mostly kids & young teens/adults – kids who are yelling and screaming at complete strangers who they would ordinarily not dare to stand up and get that close to, let alone throw things at at the risk of retaliation. This is pretty obvious that with the crowd riled up and basic human “mob” mentality, most of these young adults and kids in the video were following each others lead and started to get violent when ordinarily they would probably never involve themselves in such an embarrassment. Kids and young adults are not best known for their WISDOM (i.e. instead of getting physical, they should have staged a counter protest or walked it off and gone home). While I’m not excusing what the video shows by the Muslims, (not to ignore the Christian protestors who were obviously emotionally/mentally provoking the Muslim families with their banners and message – and that too a highly volatile topic) taking this and portraying all us American Muslims as violent and wanting to take over the country is pretty redneck-ish at best and paranoid, and maybe exactly what bigots such as many of those commenting on here would look for as an excuse to create more hate and progress their agendas.

    Most of us NORMAL Muslims want to live our lives quietly with our families and want to better ourselves AND our homeland, United States of America. If the bigots among us on BOTH sides of the problem aren’t shed, it’ll be a lot worse than this, not better. Ridiculing Islam won’t get you anything other than more disdain and disagreement from people like myself who might actually want the same thing as you – hard work, success, a peaceful home for our families and enjoy what good things god has provided us.

    Let the neg’ing and racist bigotry commence. ROFL.

  • Shaheryar

    #130 – If that’s truly the case, then yes something like a “pigs head on a pole” and calling the holy prophet epithets and worse would PISS OFF pretty much most of the moderate Muslims (who otherwise wouldn’t give a rats ass about their protest and mind their own business) with such insults and while that is not bounds for physical retaliation (I would never stoop that low), they knew exactly what their hateful message would do it would seem. Again, there’s mud on both sides on this story, NOT JUST the Muslims in the video.

  • Benson II

    Once Romney or a Republican is elected it’s going to take another million person march to make them move on the issue of Muslim immigration to this country. They’re all afraid of being vilified in the press for doing the right thing. This is not Britain or France where their government is content to let Muslims take over their country. This is America and we’ve seen the results and want to act accordingly. We need to stop completely Muslim immigration to the US…period. They do not want to assimilate as other immigrant populations did in the past and lying is not only condoned but encouraged in the Koran to accomplish their objectives which is subjugation of all non-believers. It is not a secret.

    There are no moderate Muslims. To be a moderate you would have to leave Islam. There are only silent Muslims. But whose side will the silent be on when they are large enough in number they no longer have to be silent.

  • Shaheryar

    #134 I AM A MODERATE MUSLIM and I am not as silent as you seem to think/portray us. My family, friends and I do not believe in this “take over the infidels” crap that fear mongers like you seem to spout. We live our lives like anyone else, we have our deviants like any other society, and we have our “crosses to bear” when it comes to taking care of our problems. But blanketing the entire Muslim community is pretty narrow minded, and paranoia at best.

  • raybojabo

    Hey, Jim, I notice you didn’t post my last comment. I don’t blame you. You would have probably caught hell for it. i’m sorry, I got carried away. God bless and keep up the good work.

  • averagemelon


    Where were the “moderate muslims” in the crowd attempting to stop the violence? Were they just like the police?

    Jesus went to his own home town to perform miracles, yet the crowds wanted him to leave as he was causing a disturbance they found they could not bear. He shook the dust from his sandals and left. I suggest all Christians do the same. Do not throw your pearls to pigs; leave Dearborn to the Muslims or force them back to the wretched sands of their homelands. Never stop consulting the Lord for wisdom. The protesters did not represent Christianity if all they intended to do was inflame or enrage all who were not like them! I am a deeply abiding Christian and would NEVER condone the signs they held.

    A time is almost upon us where each of us must choose who will follow, serve, and endure . If it is NOT Christ, it will not be a MERCIFUL God.

  • AuntieMadder

    Shaheryar: taqiyah-spouting Muslim? …straight-shooting slacker among Muslims? …or MOBY?

    I’m leaning toward MOBY.

  • Islam is a reflection on the “prophet” Mohammed. He was in every sense a degenerate. He is in hell where he belongs. All his followers will join him. Won’t they be surprised to discover that their god Allah was a creation, and that the paradise Mohammed spoke about does not exist. That is nothing more than a brothel.

    “Hell is earned heaven never.”

  • mcc

    Shaheryar, I hope you can understand how we might become alarmed when we learn that a husband has beheaded his wife and a father has murdered his daughters.

    Both have happened right here in our country — by Muslims their neighbors – fellow citizens – might have thought were “moderate.”

    We want to trust that what you tell us is the truth. But your holy book teaches that lying is acceptable. How are we to know you are one whom we can trust? Instead, we’re forced to wait and watch, hoping that you are who you’ve said you are. A reasonable person, I believe, would understand our situation and not blame us.

    I will tell you this: as much as I want to believe you – and I do – I’m still suspicious. I’m sorry for that. I read your words carefully — and they show a degree of upset over this incident that’s somewhat unnerving.

    Additionally, in a reverse situation, I can’t imagine Christians – in great numbers as we saw on the video – reacting in any manner like the Arab youngsters did. Instead, we’re called to return love to those who hate us.

    The Christian faith requires a level of maturity and selflessness that I think sets it apart from all others. It is therefore well-suited for a nation of free people.

  • mcc

    Re #140 — “by Muslims WHOM their neighbors…”

  • Shaheryar

    #137 Averagemelon: The other “moderates” were probably PISSED off at the crap the protestors were holding up, and probably felt the “christian protestors” were better kicked out of there, or perhaps did turn a blind eye which is a shame. Or perhaps they were afraid of being mobbed themselves in the frenzy of activity.

    #140, I’m sorry but you sounded reasonable for the most part but pulled the ol’ misquote and take things out of context trick blame gam, “look this book says this! Clearly you’re all liars and I cannot trust you!” Can you imagine if I said that about a Jew by misquoting something in the Torah out of context to bend it to my will?? Wow.. I don’t even know if the insults about me would EVER stop flying by the right wingnutters and sane people alike. I ignored your post but had to come back later to read any more. It’s like you take things clearly out of context to turn it around to mean as you want it. Maybe you should do some more research before using such claims to make an uninformed and ignorant argument about “not trusting” a Muslim. Geez leweez the low level society is getting to. However in return of your distrust all I have for you is prayers to have god show you the truth.

    So a muslim beheads his wife. Bad, sad and horrible. All over the media like he’s some sort of special terrorist/fanatic. Some white/hispanic/black man fires a shotgun on their entire family and noone really cares about what religion the person was. Both men committed a crime motivated by their twisted minds…who gets all the attention and as a result has their ENTIRE RELIGION ridiculed by bigots and fear mongers? The muslim man. Yeah very fair and non-biased whatsoever.

    #138 AuntiMadder – What in your twisted BLINDED world is a MOBY? Please remove your hate stained glasses and go talk to a few Muslims (I know, probably as hard as washing your hands after leaving the restroom I’m sure). You’re so bigoted and paranoid that you cannot even see anything but hate and fear. I clearly stated what I feel and that is the end, no less no more. I’m not some covert ops or whatever insane ideas fear mongers seem to keep perpetuating. See I can talk like a racist/bigoted prick too by apply a subtle amount of stereotypes to you and we can all go around this circle jerk just hating each other to hell. Yayyyyyyyyyy.

    This video is clearly made to inflame people such as yourselves (and unintentionally I’m sure, Muslim folks like myself as well).

    My little sister, after watching this fiasco stated something I think is very succinct and wise (And no she doesn’t wear a burka, or hide her face behind a veil. She teaches 5th grade and has to put up with some rather ignorant ‘people’ at school sometimes which doesn’t surprise me seeing some of the responses on this page):

    “I don’t know if you noticed, but those rallyers were marching through a Muslim neighborhood with signs that the Muslims are goin to hell, pretty much. GEE WHIZ! What do you think those teenagers are going to do? What would happen if you wear a rolex and flaunt it in the south side of Chicago, ya think someone’s going to want a piece of it?? YES. Not saying what those KIDS did is right, but they were TEENAGERS. What would have happened if a bunch of Muslims walked through a Christian neighborhood holding up inflammatory signs?? I know! They’d be called terrorrists and rag heads- you get the picture. It’s a buncha crap all around. Walk through a community of people and have a rally against what they stand for, how do you think the community is going to react? NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! What a waste of my time even discussing this. They need to stop acting like victims, and those Muslim kids need to cool it. It’s exactly what the rallyers were trying to do. Rile up those people and get a reaction so then they can post up a video acting like they were attacked viciously and without cause… Gimme a break.”

  • sablegsd

    Bruiserman commented:

    I find it sad that religion is the source of so much violence in our world. We are in a relatively quiet time for Christianity but it’s not like it has always been that way. I wouldn’t have a problem with religion if it wasn’t for the violent nature caused by the us vs. them mentality that tends to come along with these beliefs. I guarantee that violence in the world would drop significantly if religion disappeared.

    I mean just in the above comments we see people who are ready to go up against the Muslims cause they are wrong and Christianity is right. Onward Christian soldier right? When will it end?

    What part of pisslam is not a religion don’t you understand? It’s a 7th century, violent, repressive, totalitarian, misogynistic, pedophilia practicing, bestiality loving, necrophiliacs, sick, deranged,incest practising EVIL form of GOVERNMENT! LOOK AT THEM!

    Our leaders will rot in hell for what they have put into play.

  • sablegsd


    ESAD. Civil enough for you? koranimals don’t get to say who walks down the street and who doesn’t. There is NO such thing as a “moderate” koranimal. Pislam is pislam. It’s sick, depraved and evil.

    As for your sister the fifth grade teacher, PPPFFFTTT. Just another liberal union goverment “worker” waste of air.

    #124 June 27, 2012 at 3:43 pm
    Mike Sucher You are a brain dead spineless waste of air. Do some research. For cripes sake, if you don’ what pisslam is all about by now, I fear you are doomed to remain a moron.

  • Shaheryar

    #144 sablegsd, You’ve just proven yourself to be another vulgar, sad lost cause that won’t ever change his/her mind despite evidence in front of your own eyes. You’re the kind of vile vermin that will be the demise of American culture, no different then the libtards that will continue to sell this country to the socialists who can’t wait to carve it up, with raging hicks busy infighting and inbreeding (since your kin love to play stereotypes), like yourself up first on their eugenics “death squads” lists.

    Now excuse me while I go adjust my turban and clean the pork juice you’re spewing, in the meantime you might want to go wipe your ass since the stench is reaching all the way across the 56k internet your backwood types seem to surf and permeate your filth with.

  • Joanne

    “I mean just in the above comments we see people who are ready to go up against the Muslims cause they are wrong and Christianity is right. Onward Christian soldier right? When will it end?” by Brusierman #110

    No, Islam is evil and lies and Christianity is good and the truth…..or do you think muslims who worship a pedophile slaughtering ‘prophet’ seems perfectly okay with you. Muslims practice what their prophet teaches. Muslims are at war with us – we didn’t ask for this, but when push comes to shove, we will fight – we will all have to fight – including you. Muslims take no prisoners….only converted muslims and heads.

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    Shaheryar & sablegsd (not to mention some others)..

    both of you need to confront the logs in your eyes..


  • Joanne

    #142 – pretty sure this was a Fair of some sort and not a neighborhood so to speak these men were walking through. If you hadn’t noticed, the Christians weren’t saying anything, but were sworn at and pelted with objects. Guess what, America isn’t suppose to have areas where muslims, Christians, Jews, or whoever shouldn’t be able to exist in; that is what America is all about. Maybe where you came from or are used to, this may be the norm, but that isn’t what America stands for. When muslims commit a heinous crime, such a muslim man killing his wife or teenager or whomever, it has everything to do with their religion and culture. When people who call themselves Christians kill their families, they are not Christians, they are liars and sinners. I could go on and on, but your entire way of thinking is foreign. You think exactly like every other muslim – ‘they made me mad, so what do you expect’. Guess what – people tick me off, but I don’t swear at them and throw bricks at their heads. People can think what they want and do as they please, as long as they follow the laws. It seems muslims are getting a pass – they are above the law of the land. It is sickening. Push, push, push all you want, but everyone has a breaking point.

  • jisamazed

    “Fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait fo rthem in every strategem…” Surah 9:5, The Q’ran

    “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Do good to those who do evil to you. Bless those who curse you.” –Jesus in the Bible, Luke 7:27-28

    In the end, love will win over hate. Demonstrating against Islam will accomplish nothing, except escalate persecution against Christians around the world. We conquer our enemies by loving them and forgiving them. In so doing, we demonstrate Christ, and they see the difference between Jesus and Mohammed.

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    The Turban and the Swastika

    Ayatollah Khomeini

    Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean
    that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]?
    Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]….
    Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the
    shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the
    sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the
    Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths
    [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all
    this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I
    spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

    Boiling Frogs

    [Political Islam emerged partly from an encounter with western thought, but also from revulsion against the regimes founded in Egypt and elsewhere in the aftermath of European colonialism. In Jihad, Gilles Keppel argues al-Qa’ida turned to global terrorism because, like fundamentalist groups in other countries, it has failed to achieve its revolutionary goals on home territory. In a magisterial study of the rise and decline of political Islam, Keppel maintains that Islamist movements have never gained sufficient support to produce a sustainable alternative to democracy. He argues compellingly that the failed Khomeinist revolution in Iran gained much early support from western-educated Marxists “projecting the messianic expectations of communists and Third World Peoples on to revolutionary Shiism”.]


    [“there is no doubt he was audacious…. His words were sharp sometimes.
    His expressions were sticks of fire.. . . His pencil was a whip. The one who
    sees him does not believe that he is the same person who writes. . . . For
    with people he was milder than the breeze… With the paper and the pencil,
    he was a hell which does not cool off.”

    “There’s going to be a revolution,” Obama said,
    “we need to be organized and grow the movement.”

    again, just a sample of so much more..


  • mcc

    Here’s a Muslim who shouldn’t have been trusted:

    “The Pakistani who emigrated to the U.S., became a citizen, built a car bomb which luckily failed to go off in Times Square, was asked by the federal judge, how could he have done that when he signed and when he swore an oath to the United States. And he looked at the judge and said, ‘You’re my enemy. I lied.'”


    And this from Wiki:

    For Shi’a Muslims, taqiyya is to conceal their association with their faith when revealing it would result in danger. Taqiyya is done for reasons of safety. For example, a person may fear that he might be killed or harmed if he does not observe taqiyya. In this case, taqiyya is allowed. However, in some circumstances taqiyya may lead to the death of an innocent person; if so, it is not permissible; it is haraam (forbidden) to kill a human being to save one’s own life.[12] Some Shi’ites, though, advance taqiyya as a form of jihad, a sort of fighting against their adversaries.[13]

    So what was originally meant for self-protection has become accepted by some as a way of defeating one’s enemy. Just as “jihad” most likely was originally meant to battle one’s own demons rather than the demon one imagines is standing next to him.

    Far easier to point the finger than to see – or admit to – the error of our own ways. I would like to trust every Muslim. But I don’t know which one might one day say, “You are my enemy. I lied.”

  • Shaheryar

    #148 – You can spout all the self righteous crap you want. You missed the point unfortunately in your blind hatred, or maybe you are just that lost. My point was these people in the video were provoking a response, they were holding signs IN a heavily crowded Muslim gathering and expected to get some reaction, as is human nature (and before you give me more CRAP about it wouldn’t happen with Americans, please go look at the OSW tards). I never said they should be banned from entering a “Muslim” neighborhood. That’s the fanatics tactics, taking things out of context, be it a Libtard or a Right wingnut. That’ll win ya support.

    Then you go on with your bigoted comments suggesting that “Maybe where you came from or are used to, this may be the norm,” again missing my point that walking into a confrontation with that mindset as these “Christian” flaming trolls did, they are not innocent little angels preaching the Bible. If that is all they were doing no one would have lifted a finger at them, but ignored them as done many many times in and around Chicago where I used to live (with heavy pockets of Muslims AND Jewish/Christian communities living peacefully). Combined with their hateful message and a mass of teenagers getting emotionally riled up, this is what happens. If an Islamophobics like Tom Trento was really as guiltless as he pretends to be, he’d never found his protestors in that situation in the first place. Doesn’t excuse the teens actions, but he KNEW what he was doing.

    “When people who call themselves Christians kill their families, they are not Christians, they are liars and sinners. I could go on and on, but your entire way of thinking is foreign. ” What a load of crock. I like how you can switch things around when it’s one of your own (Christians) and say well they’re simply not Christians! Well guess what “Joanne”I can be a smart ass like you and say that man who killed his daughters or beheaded his wife are NO MUSLIMS either because no real Muslim would do such a thing.

    So like I said you can continue to live with your crooked smudge filled eyes and see the world where you and your types can continue to insult a religion based on the actions of the few, but when it’s the other way around you cowards simply use the excuse that the guilty party is no “real Christian” and we’re supposed to believe that excuse. Well if you really believe that, then we really believe that people who commit terrorist acts are NO MUSLIMS and well be damned to hell.

    As for the murders having to do with their religion and culture because they happen to be Muslim, what culture is it that you so proudly seem to adhere to that your criminals stem from? The one where illegitimate children are born to teenage mothers every day? The culture where men can’t keep their shlongs in their pants and have to screw everything that moves breeding more fatherless children? The one where your “Priests” molest innocent BOYS in Church? The one where children are born, raised by a broken family, godless and amoral, growing up angry and go on a shooting rampages a la Columbine or some other unfortunate incident? What are you so high and mighty about? There’s enough dirt to go around the solar system if you really think making idiotic statements like yours are somehow going to be believed by anyone with half a brain and try to put down Islam based on the actions of extremists.

    Now go be a good hick xeno/islamophobe and use some of that lard you’ve got growing around that belly and bbq up some bacon, you’ll need it if you think your comically ignorant hatespeech will be enough to get people to hate an entire community based on misquoted truths and fear mongering.

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    jisamazed #149 June 27, 2012 at 9:58 pm


    however, it’s not only misleading, but aside from intimidation,
    it’s about the most fine tuned weapon Islamists carry in their
    war chest (and btw, Islamists have slaughtered more Muslims
    than anyone else, look to Syria for the most recent example)..

    that said: please click on & follow links, thank you..

    Jesus was no pacifist

    Is It Right to Fight?


  • how dumbed down are we bg


    Shaheryar #152 June 27, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    albeit FREEDOM OF SPEECH is dead in the US..

    all they had to do was simply call the LAW to take care of it vs causing
    a riotous pummeling attack that goes back to the stone age and could
    have ended with someone dying or being seriously injured..

    or do they live by their own laws in a foreign country?? /s/


  • how dumbed down are we bg


    re: #154 June 27, 2012 at 10:25 pm bg

    “for whatever reason people leave their homeland & come to America..
    they need to leave their homeland behind & embrace America as their
    homeland.. not bring their homeland from which they fled for whatever
    reason with them to America & try to reestablish their homeland here..
    this is America, not (fill in whatever homeland here)!! or go back from
    whence they came if they were so happy there as to want to duplicate
    it here.. go fight for your own homeland in your own country, i will fight
    for my homeland in mine, namely America.. God Bless America, land of
    the free, not the wanna be (fill in whatever country here)..” – bg


  • Shaheryar

    #149 June 27, 2012 at 9:58 pm
    jisamazed commented:

    “Fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait fo rthem in every strategem…” Surah 9:5, The Q’ran

    “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Do good to those who do evil to you. Bless those who curse you.” –Jesus in the Bible, Luke 7:27-28

    I LOVE LOVE LOVE that quote. It shows how anyone can misquote something out of context to show they’re right and you’re wrong.

    Guess what? All those quotes from the Koran you guys love to post to show apparently how evil and violent it is….those were written during the times of pagan attacks on Islam and Muslims. Then again why bother explaining since it’s just so easy to read 2 lines and say “SEE SEE WHAT THEY DO!”

    Here’s something..for fun. Except the difference is I don’t go preaching hate against another group based on ignorance:

    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

    Matthew 10:3″

    So apparently your tangible man-form god (Jesus) came to earth to kill/force/convert everyone to his way? WHOAAAaa! NO way! Holy sh*t Christians are evil people who will destroy you if you don’t accept JJEEEEZUZZ!!

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    Shaheryar #152 June 27, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    you insidious hypocrite..

    it’s people like you who give Islam a bad name.. and people like the
    mirror image you’re arguing with that give everyone else a bad rep..

    I – S – L – A – M – O – P – H – O – B – I – A

    I’ll first tell you what it is not- it’s not Islamophobia. If anyone is to blame
    for the existence of the concept of Islamophobia, if it even exists, it is
    Muslims who have been unable to articulate a manifestation of Islam which
    is free of a political state which threatens the sovereignty of the states in
    which Muslims reside. I don’t subscribe to the existence of the notion of
    Islamophobia because I believe that we are in just the beginning of a global
    conflict of political ideologies (Islamism vs. Americanism), and the conflation
    of “Islamophobia” is intentional by Islamists to deflect Americans and the
    free world from the necessary debate of political ideologies.


  • mcc

    What would have happened if a bunch of Muslims walked through a Christian neighborhood holding up inflammatory signs??

    As I said, I can’t imagine a mass of Christians turning out to throw stones that might severely injure someone – as parents, especially, stand idly by. That takes it to a whole new level.

    This is America. People are free to carry insulting signs. You don’t belong in a free society if you can’t accept that without reacting with violence.

  • how dumbed down are we bg


    Shaheryar #156 June 27, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    please do some research, it’s more than obvious you lack
    basic education in your own Poligion vs others Religion..

    more here and here, and please scroll
    threads for so much more, thank you..


  • how dumbed down are we bg


    Shaheryar #156 June 27, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    bet you don’t know that Muhammad injected both the Torah & Bible
    into the Koran, only problem is, it too was written by man, go figure..

    [Time and time again, Muhammad testified to the integrity of the
    Scriptures of the Jews and Christians. He affirmed and confirmed
    them as the Word of God. Since Muslims believe the Quran to be
    the Word of God, then it is actually their God – “Allah” – testifying
    to the integrity and truthfulness of the Jewish and Christian
    Scriptures existing in Muhammad’s lifetime.]


  • mcc

    #152 — Now go be a good hick xeno/islamophobe and use some of that lard you’ve got growing around that belly and bbq up some bacon, you’ll need it if you think your comically ignorant hatespeech will be enough to get people to hate an entire community based on misquoted truths and fear mongering.

    Shaheryar, I’ve posted some unkind remarks myself on these threads. More times than I care to admit. And each time, I tell myself, “let this be the last time.” But the flesh is weak – as St. Paul said, “I do the very thing I hate.”

    It usually happens when I’m really upset about something. And I try to excuse it by thinking I’m defending someone else rather than myself. But whether or not that’s the case, I know in my heart it’s wrong.

    Those are the days I’m ashamed to have anyone know I’m a Christian. With just a few words, I’ve denied my Christ, my Savior. Do you want to know something? Knowing how careless my words can be, I don’t dare wear a crucifix. Yet the very thought of the Cross brings an abundance of tears – flowing uncontrollably now as I type this to you.

    I have far more patience and am far kinder when I stay close to my Lord, praying and reading of His goodness. I don’t do it enough. But I do know I need His life – His Holiness – working in me. Without it, I’m just like every other man – far too easily tempted to sin.

    “If there be any good in me, it is Christ.” St. Paul, again, I think.

    I’m wondering where you find your peace after exchanges like this.

  • Kingslayor

    I think its time to play chicken factory!!! “PARTS IS PARTS” And they won’t be ours!

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  • mike. a


    well this is quite expected especially when evangelist with hebrew writings and jewish stars demonstrate and threaten the largest palestinian group in america with hell on one of Islams most holliest day. Its like if muslims start demonstrating in front of the big christmas tree at times square on christmas eve, its quite insulting am i not right. you want to spread christianity go with a friendly attitude, not with huge banners of hebrew insults. be reasonable but these guys are here to insult and sabotage thier holidays and this is the result.

  • duif100

    Where is Holder?
    What is he doing? Stuffing ballot boxes?
    When is Obama speaking out on this subject?
    Where is Jesse Jackson?
    Where is Al Sharpton?