NC County Officials Defy Court – Vow to Continue Prayer at Public Meetings

On Monday a huge crowd turned out to support the county commissioners in prayer and song.

The Rowan North Carolina county commissioners defied a court ruling and vowed to continue Christian prayer at their meetings.
The New Republic reported, via Free Republic:

Commissioners in one North Carolina county plan to continue offering Christian prayers at public meetings, regardless of a letter from a civil liberties group citing a recent Supreme Court action upholding a federal court’s ban on the practice.

The Salisbury Post reported ( ) that a huge crowd turned out for the Rowan County Board of Commissioners meeting Monday night to offer their support to the elected officials, who say they’ll defy a decision by the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals striking down so-called sectarian prayer, or prayer that’s explicitly linked to a particular religion, such as Christianity.

“If they tell county commissioners they can’t pray, soon they’re going to be in my church telling me I can’t pray in the name of Jesus,” said Terry Brown, a county resident who came to the meeting.

The appeals court’s ruling was in the case of the Forsyth County Board of Commissions. Last month, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal by that board, letting the Fourth Circuit’s ruling stand. Since then, the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has contacted 25 and 30 government bodies in North Carolina in response to complaints from residents about sectarian prayer.

So far, Rowan County commissioners are the only local officials who say they’ll disregard the court’s decision, said Katy Parker, legal director of the state ACLU. The group has asked for a response from the commissioners to its concerns by March 5. Salisbury is located about 40 miles northeast of Charlotte.

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  • Average American


  • MilitantCatholic
  • Smokey

    How is this news? It’s just some crazy fundamentalists doing crazy fundamentalist things. Remember Roy Moore in Alabama?

  • Right Wing Conservative

    Good for them.

    God Bless them and carry them through this. In Jesus name I pray, Amen!

  • democraps suck

    Odumb$hit’s lawsuit to commence in 3….2….1…..unless you recite the Koran you can not pray in ozeros world

  • Stuart

    It is time to defy the Federal Government in the name of liberty. Remember, Jim Crow was once the LAW as well, and the Supreme Court in their infinite wisdom declared Dred Scott forever a slave. Resist! Resist! Resist!

  • Robert

    The same federal government that falls all over itself pandering to head-chopping moslem primitives tells a governing body that it cannot pray.

  • Good for them..

  • midusdew


  • Franklin Amman

    This is exactly the sort of pushback needed.

    Your move, judge.

    Should the judge hold them in contempt and jail them, he’s effectively jailing the people since this body is a group of representatives of the people.

    We are citizens, self-governing citizens, to be respected, not subject to be ruled.

  • Dave

    Creepy Christians, does the lord really care if you all bow your heads in unison and pray in a public building? Seriously, are you that insecure in your faith that you can’t just say a prayer to yourself without making some group spectical of it all? We get it, you love jesus, like more than others, and guess what, he doesn’t mind if you don’t do this in a public building.

  • Texas_Treeroach

    Read #3 (How is this News?)

    If this Country goes down the toilet once and for all, it won’t be because some united foreign enemy pulls the chain; but rather from a weak, yet effective, tug on the chain from the hands of a lethargic disinterested public who can’t be bothered to read the simple writing on the washroom wall.

    By the time #3 starts barking about his fundamental beliefs being outlawed and flushed, it will be too late.

  • Stuart

    Excuse me, Dave, #11
    You really don’t get it. You don’t get it at all. This is less about prayer in itself than it is about the FREEDOM to pray. This is a first amendment issue, the freedom to say OUT LOUD what is in your heart and mind. I am sure that the Russians under Stalin always had the freedom to think “bad thoughts” about Comrade Stalin. They just did not have the liberty to express them verbally.
    And as for your “Creepy Christians” comment: How dare you, you BIGOT.
    Moreover, I assure you that I am not religious and adhere to no faith except one, LIBERTY.

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  • Lady Mondegreen

    Dave (#11) you are absolutely correct. Let them pray all they like, but not as part of their official function.

  • JimmyT

    The Supreme Court opens their sessions with a prayer; the congress opens their sessions with a prayer; GOOD job NC. They can KMA.

  • amen

  • JimmyT

    #11–And you would know how Jesus feels about this, HOW? You might want to take a look and the 1st amendment.

  • Mutnodjmet
  • burt

    The ACLU was founded by Roger Nash Baldwin. Read his writings and understand his motivation.

  • Cliff

    “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” seems to be the most ignored phrase in the first amendment.

  • Sam Stone

    This is GREAT NEWS!!! From the same state whose Governor once called for the elections to be postponed “to allow the congress to work” and who is not running for re-election.

  • Sam Stone

    And the same circus freaks saying they are wrong in their defiance supported the Occupoopers and their national crime wave!

  • retire05

    #15, Lady Mondegreen, if these councilmen are praying before the gavel comes down, they are no more than private citizens at that time.

    If you don’t want to hear people pray, don’t go there.

  • bg


    there is a God, and we are the people, Amen..


  • bg


    Lady Mondegreen #15 February 22, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Obama – God Bless America

    go figure..


  • Patty

    Wonder if the Mandate on Contraceptives had anything to do with this. Seems more patriots are coming out of the woodwork. Not that they have been hiding and not they aren’t going to vote this horrible administration out of office.

    But haven’t seen them for a while and between this and all the mandate and breaking the Constitution, WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH.


    NOW, LISTEN TO THIS: I ask you to resist the attempts of those who would have you withhold your support for our efforts, this administration’s efforts, to keep America strong and free, while we negotiate real and verifiable reductions in the world’s nuclear arsenals and one day, with God’s help, their total elimination.

    While America’s military strength is important, let me add here that I’ve always maintained that the struggle now going on for the world will never be decided by bombs or rockets, by armies or military might. The real crisis we face today is a spiritual one; at root, it is a test of moral will and faith.

    Whittaker Chambers, the man whose own religious conversion made him a witness to one of the terrible traumas of our time, the Hiss-Chambers case, wrote that the crisis of the Western World exists to the degree in which the West is indifferent to God, the degree to which it collaborates in communism’s attempt to make man stand alone without God. And then he said, for Marxism-Leninism is actually the second oldest faith, first proclaimed in the Garden of Eden with the words of temptation, “Ye shall be as gods.”

    The Western world can answer this challenge, he wrote, “but only provided that its faith in God and the freedom He enjoins is as great as communism’s faith in Man.”

    I believe we shall rise to the challenge. I believe that communism is another sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages even now are being written. I believe this because the source of our strength in the quest for human freedom is not material, but spiritual. And because it knows no limitation, it must terrify and ultimately triumph over those who would enslave their fellow man. For in the words of Isaiah: “He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might He increased strength But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary.”

    Yes, change your world. One of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Paine, said, “We have it within our power to begin the world over again.” We can do it, doing together what no one church could do by itself.

    God bless you, and thank you very much.

    This is Reagan’s 1983 Speech. On evil. Second half, first is on site

  • NorthernX

    Aren’t you Americans supposed to have freedom of speech and religion?
    Why do you stand for this bs?

  • Patty

    Reagan mentions God’s name 16 times. He never mentions Satan by name but I must say of recent days, this bashing of Santorum must stop, someone who love his God?

    Yes, there are other things for a Politician to speak about but there are those who wish us death. Doesn’t hurt to hear from someone who has faith.

    We will see tonight how things go but I do believe they will be good for Gingrich and Santorum

  • Patty

    All I can say is times have really changed since Reagan, oh, have they. But we are turning a corner. There is so many times that our nation’s freedoms can be taken away and then, it will hit the fan.

    Again thank you to all the patriots, I do believe Reagan is smiling down on all of you.

  • It seems like an easy way around this would be to say, “We are about to start the meeting… does anyone have anything to say before we do?” And then they all burst out into song :).

  • madtntaxpayer

    Ignore the ACLU; these libtards think they can dictate their policies to every small town or county in order to impose their will by threat of a law suit. They believe they have some kind of right or standing to tell small gov’ts how to conduct business. The local ACLU several years ago “issued” guidelines for the placement of Christmas decorations for the city to follow just as if they were some kind of quasi govt entity unto themselves. Who are they to tell us what to do! Yes, it is time to push back on all fronts.

  • the courts have been the biggest weapon the left has had in the expansion of government control.

  • LookUp

    Lady Mondegreen:

    WHERE IS THE TOLERANCE YOU ARE SO FOND OF DAMNING ALL WITH? If you cannot have tolerance FOR ALL, then you are A COMMUNIST. Shut up and deal with it. No Christian is hurting you unlike your MUSLIM BUDDIES.

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  • Lady Mondegreen

    #34, What on earth are you babbling about? Did you forget to take your medications this morning?

  • Robert

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

    The precedence that extends this restriction beyond Congress is wrong and misguided, and that is what has led to this continual wrecking of the foundations of our society. The amendment applies to Congress, as stated, and refers to the establishment of federal law.

    Only a lawyer’s mental contortions can lead to the application of this principle to local townships’ meeting and other issues such as Christmas decorations. And the ACLU uses economic bullying and the threat of ongoing court battles to get towns to comply with their anti-American agenda.

  • Smokey

    Matthew 6:6


  • lizzy84

    If I could’ve, I would’ve been there with bells on.

  • jony101

    if they are going to continue to pray, they also need to be armed. Without guns there is no liberty. thats just a fact of life, thats why the government has guns, to force there will on the people.
    Obamacare can only be force on the american people because of the gun, don’t buy health insurance, the government will arrest you at gunpoint.
    The founding fathers wanted all americans to be armed, so they could be free.

  • JoyO

    Conservatives, Conservative Independents, and Tea Party folks need to support an ACLU type legal organization as dedicated to keeping religion freedom as the ACLU is dedicated to making us all atheists!

  • MLR

    #41 JoyO: One of those organizations is ACLJ – American Center For Law & Justice

  • bg
  • bg


    Obama is not a Christian..

    “If the upper class is able to give it’s children, grandchildren more and more
    genetic advantages, they will move away form the people who are naturally
    ~ Lee Silver

    Creepy Atheists

    more here & here & here..

    Obama is The Nothing in The NeverEnding Story..


  • aprilnovember811

    Good for them, they can’t infringe on your right to practice religion. They aren’t forcing citizens to follow a certain faith, or practice a faith. If someone doesn’t want to participate they are free to not participate. The courts are wrong on this issue, and it’s about time they are put in their place.

  • Smokey

    There already is one. It’s called the ACLU.

  • aprilnovember811

    I donate to the ACLJ, it’s a wonderful organization.

  • aprilnovember811

    The Constitution does not say this. There is a Chapel in the Capital building because Thomas Jefferson put it there, so they could pray. The Constitution does not say Separation of Church and State. That was done by a leftist judge who hated the Catholic faith on the Supreme Court. It needs to be re-visited again. You leftists have gotten away with this for many years, and it’s going to stop, whether you like it or not.

    The Constitution, merely says, that Government can’t force a certain religion on it’s citizens. It didn’t say they can’t practice religion or pray. In fact the Bill of Rights says just the opposite.

    We’re sick of you types infringing on our religious freedom. Don’t like it, you know how to leave the country. This country was founded by a majority of Christian men. We are taking it back and putting it in it’s rightful place.


    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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  • #44 bg…does lee remind you of joseph mengele

  • TimDC

    Hurrah for all of them!! This is what I like to see…Americans standing up and rejecting the Federal Government and all its peverted corruption.

  • Kent Smith

    I think Andrew Jackson, in response to some decision the court made, said “let’s see them enforce it”. If “we the people” push back enough the Executive and Legislative branch will over turn many of the decisions the Judicial branch has pushed on us since the Wilson administration.

  • WillofLa

    Everyone on this site who are “ridiculing” those who are Christian are doing exactly what Saul Alinsky says do, you ridicule your target because ridicule is the strongest power a person has to shut up your opponents. The way to counter these people who say “Do you have to pray in a public building, are you that insecure in your belief….etc, etc.” is to keep praying and ridicule those who are doing the ridiculing, by saying:

    Do you have a problem with prayer in general? Don’t you know that the Constitution says we have the right to exercise our faith, and that means any damn place we damn well please. And anyone who insults us because we are exercising our faith where ever we deem it to be appropriate to exercise that faith, must be afraid of our courage to exhibit what we believe in and they don’t. But of course when you are an atheist you don’t have anything to exihbit, do you. Is that what you desenter’s are, atheists?? Then I will pray for you that the Lord Jesus open your heart to His blessings so that you can find happiness like we have!!

    And I’m glad that people aren’t afraid to show these atheist judges or homosexual or whatever the hell they are, that they wouldn’t see this case from the ACLU as what it is and that is an attack our our Christian rights. Well, screw you ACLU, you can’t take our GOD GIVEN RIGHT AWAY UNLESS YOU TAKE IT UP WITH GOD AND LET HIM DECIDE IF HE WANTS TO CONTINUE IT OR DISPENCE WITH IT BECAUSE IT OFFENDS THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN’T WITH HIM!! Which way do you think that will go??

  • bg
  • WillofLa

    Christian American’s should do alot more of this to show the Alinskyites that, no, we are not going to give up, and we are going to talk about America’s moral foundation and that Christian morality is written into our founding documents, which may be the first time some have know about that. Yes, we will not give in to your Communist Manefesto agenda to remove Christianity from America life and governance in order that our society will be easier to break down. Well, we are not going to let that happen, and yes Christian’s I know it’s very late in the game to be trying to regain ground we’ve already lost. But you know the left has much more ground to lose than we do because they are the one’s who are trying to replace God in our society and they haven’t succeeded yet to do that.

    Even if Obama was trained in Chicago by hardcore Alinskyites who worked under the man himself. Saul Alinsky died in 1972. What was Obama doing at that time. If Obama was born in 1965 that means that he was only 7 or 8 years old when the man died. So he did not sit at Sauls knee and learn about how to overthrow this society, this kind of nation or this sort of Constitutional government. He learned all he learned from someone who taught Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals. But he learned it well primarily because he was already predisposed that way since his mother and grandparents were card carrying Socialists/Communists, and to top it off he also has deep Muslim roots which are also anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-Constitutional, and everything else that goes along with it.

    So yeah, he is also anti-Christian because that is what supports the Constitution and the Constitution supports Christianity. That is a very near to impossible combination to defeat. The only thing the Alinskyites and Communists have been able to do is tempt some fat cat politician’s to give in because they were lured by big money the Democrats were throwing at them that they stole from the taxpayers. Money is a great temptation when you have the overblown egos some of these liberal Republican’s have got. But did Alinsky defeat the founding religion of America? NOT A DAMN BIT! Come get you some!!

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  • bg


    #50 February 22, 2012 at 6:02 pm
    tommy mc donnell

    no more or less than Obama reminds me of
    any one of his ideological brothers.. /sarc/


  • Smokey

    Provide the results of a double blind study that proves prayer does anything but waste time.

  • GrayRider

    Provide a double blind study that you are you. Nuff said.

  • bg


    Smokey #57 February 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    okay, will this do??


  • bg
  • bg
  • bg


    Smokey #57 February 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    where’s your double blind study proving it does??

    btw, “No one has the right to destroy another person’s
    belief by demanding empirical evidence.” (Ann Landers)