Don’t hold back, Franklin. Don’t hold back.
Franklin Graham called President Barack Obama’s religious views into question on Morning Joe today. The popular evangelist also said he could not be sure that Obama is not a Muslim.
The Huffington Post reported:
Evangelist Franklin Graham called President Barack Obama’s religious views into question on Tuesday, stating that he does not know for sure if Obama is a Christian.
Graham, who is the son of Billy Graham and the CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that Obama “has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.”
“All I know is I’m a sinner, and God has forgiven me of my sins… you have to ask every person,” he said about whether he could say for sure that Obama is indeed of the Christian faith.
However, when asked about GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum’s religion, Graham gave a much more concrete answer.
“I think so,” Graham said when asked if he believes Santorum is a Christian. “His values are so clear on moral issues. No question about it… I think he’s a man of faith.”
MSNBC’s panelists questioned the reverend’s double standard, but Graham continued to draw distinctions between the candidates on the issue of faith. On Mitt Romney, Graham was again evasive, stating that “most Christians would not recognize Mormonism as part of the Christian faith.”
But Graham was more willing to label Newt Gingrich’s faith. “Newt’s been married several times… but he could make a good candidate,” Graham said. “I think Newt is a Christian. At least he told me he is.”
Later in the segment, Graham also said he could not be sure that Obama was not a Muslim.
“All I know is under Obama, President Obama, the Muslims of the world, he seems to be more concerned about them than the Christians that are being murdered in the Muslim countries,” he said.
He continued, “Islam sees him as a son of Islam… I can’t say categorically that [Obama is not Muslim] because Islam has gotten a free pass under Obama.”
It’s not the first time Franklin has suggested that Obama was Muslim.
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Published May 23, 2012 at 4:57 am - 69 Comments
Jackson commented:
God Bless you Rev. Graham. You just said what many of us believe…..Obama IS a Muslim.
Diane Harvey commented:
“By their fruit you will recognize them.”
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
democraps suck commented:
and what has taken so long for people to wake up to this fact that we have an illegal mooslime in the whitehouse…..
MVH commented:
I hope
George SorosMedia Matters blows a gasket and widely publicizes this interview. They’d be doing TRUTH a favor in their zeal to deride Reverend Graham.neverends commented:
The media is trying to prop up Bamie over the mess he’s made with the so-called contraception mandate – that actually is just another way of forcing people to do what the liberal radicals see as taking over every part of an American’s life. I think they realize that when you step in s**t, it splatters and/or spreads and that is precisely what has happened over his stupid mandate, related statements, and self-inflicted dispute with not just Catholics but all of religious institutions in the country that have inherent protections in the Constitution.
This seems to be one issue that they did not see coming and don’t have an Alinsky plan to counter it with the public.
Adirondack Patriot commented:
I saw this interview this morning and couldn’t turn away. The bias and antagonistic posture of the MSNBC interviewers was disgraceful.
They attempted (unsuccessfully) to goad Graham and put words in his mouth. He did an excellent job of putting facts out there regarding Obama’s “faith.”
One important fact he noted was that Obama only started going to Rev. Wright’s church when the political groups in Chicago told him it was a requirement for political office. That tells nme a lot about Obama’s “faith.”
He “acquired” his faith only when it was necessary for politics.
Steve-Oldlineconservative.com commented:
Franklin Graham is a better man that his father who always avoided confronting issues. Had he faced up to the homosexual community and the abortion industry things would be different now.
Franklin Graham’s remarks about Obama hit the nail on the head. I wrote recently in Oldlineconservaive.com that Obama doesn’t care a fig about the growing number of Christian martyrs that the Voice of the Martyrs ministry documents with each and every issue it publishes.
Obama has never lifted a finger to help them.
O how I despise this petty little dictator who was able to convince thoughtless voters that he is a caring individual. He is not.
Jesusland commented:
The religion of choice for modern Liberals such as Obama is LEFTISM. They may honestly believe they are “christian”, but if there is ever a conflict between the two ideologies the modern Liberal will ALWAYS go the Leftism route.
More Liberty commented:
It’s obvious that he’s more concerned about Muslims as opposed to Christians, Jews or any other faith – equal protection clause be damned.
Jonah Vark commented:
Obama Indonesian school records.
His name is Barry Soetoro and his father is L. Soetoro. His religion is Islam and a citizen of Indonesia,
http://obamaimpeachment.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/boindsch2.jpg
……He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.
Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Hank commented:
Obama quickly reacts to Quran burning. Obama does nothing when Texas burns.
Says it all……….
Jonah Vark commented:
The name of the pupil: Barry Soetoro
http://obamaimpeachment.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/boindsch1.jpg
tommy mc donnell commented:
obama seems to miss a lot of christian events but he never misses a muslim one. i don’t know if obama is a muslim but he’ll do till a real one comes along.
Jerry C commented:
Actions speak louder than words. NObama is 100% muslim. Anyone who doesn’t understand that simple fact is a moron or a liar.
proudredneck commented:
Watch a clip of this interview,nothing can turn one’s stomach than these idiots on msnbc.
Robert commented:
Press secretary Jay Carney says it’s a “deeply unfortunate incident” and doesn’t reflect the respect the U.S. military has for the religious practices of the Afghan people.
Carney echoed military officials Tuesday in saying that the Quran burning at Bagram Air Field happened unintentionally, and that an investigation was being undertaken to understand why it did and ensure it didn’t happen again.
They don’t have a single word to say about all the Christians and churches being destroyed by moslems.
Fuquay Steve commented:
How can that be – he’s not a Catholic. It’s about time for some anti-Catholic nonsense on this blog isn’t it?
Seth commented:
Well, I watched the whole interview, and a more slimy, sneering, condescending group of politically correct Liberals/Progressives, Obama partisans all–who made it crystal clear by their hostile attitudes, tone, and questions that they viewed Graham as fraud, a bigot, and an ignoramus–would be hard to put together. Frankly, I don’t know why Graham even bothered to set foot in the studio.
P.S.–I note that although Obama skipped the–up until now–always issued Presidential Easter Proclamation, and his Thanksgiving Proclamation somehow managed to not mention God at all, Obama has issued fulsome Presidential Proclamations for every Muslim holiday/celebration–large and small, major and minor.
Missy8s commented:
President Downgrade is a Christian in the tradition of Karl Marx, Madame Blavatsky, Alistair Crowley, Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Deng, George Lincoln Rockwell, Fritz Kuhn, Margaret Sanger, Louis Farrakhan, Pol Pot, Richard Dawkins, David Duke, Bill Maher and Anton LeVay…
Seth commented:
Muslims pull this “Qur’an burning/disrespect” schtick all the time, and what do we do, we fall all over ourselves apologizing, and Muslims use such supposed disrespect as an excuse for rioting and a killing or two.
I note that in reaction to the phony “flushing Qur’ans down the toilet” scam Muslims pulled at Gitmo awhile ago, our soldiers there are now forced to handle Qur’ans wearing gloves so that the “Holy Qur’an ” is not defiled by our “unclean” and accursed” Infidel hands, as well as them having to go through a whole elaborate series of actions designed to show our”utmost respect” for that Muslim manual of war.
Meanwhile, Bibles are Banned in Saudi Arabia, and not one Christian or Jewish house of worship exists anywhere or is permitted to be built on the Arabian peninsula, nor is any “Infidel” allowed to visit Mecca.
When will we ever learn.
bg commented:
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Zakat
Son of Hamas Leader: The God of Islam Suffers
from Split Personality; Muhammad -a False Prophet
Ousted Daily Kos Writer Speaks Out More On Radical Islam
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Taqiyyotomist commented:
OMG, it’s truly awesome how the Christian religion is being brought, by the MSM, to the forefronts of Americans’ minds — more and more each day. Tebowing, Lin-sanity, Graham, Santorum.
Interesting times: much prayer is required, and much speaking to others about the Gospel is also required. Everyone you know. Pray — and speak truth in love.
This is not a fluke, nor an anomaly, nor coincidental, nor accidental.
“Pick a Side Time” is upon us. Christ or “The World”, folks — those are your options.
Your choice will most likely have consequences.
bg commented:
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Christians to Pray as White House Observes Ramadan
September 1, 2009
[“Since assuming office in January, President Obama has not only regularly passed up opportunities to affirm and celebrate America’s Judeo Christian heritage, but at times, he’s appeared to go out of his way to suggest the opposite is true,” said Shirley Dobson, chairman of the National Day of Prayer Task Force.
“In light of these recent events, the president’s decision to carry on the tradition of hosting a White House dinner to celebrate the Muslim holy season of Ramadan is curious. Our disappointment, however, is not with the President’s decision to host such a celebration. Quite the contrary. It’s simply unfortunate that he didn’t choose to extend the same level of courtesy and recognition this past May to the millions of supporters and organizers of the National Day of Prayer.”
The Rev. Johnny Hunter, an African-American pro-life leader who was arrested on the National Day of Prayer while praying outside the White House, said that by hosting the Ramadan observance President Obama “is distinctly placing Islam above Christianity.
"He's stated before the entire world that we're not a Christian nation,"added the founder of L.E.A.R.N. Inc. "By him turning his back on Christians on a day when we're to pray to God, then turn around and make such a flamboyant move toward Islam, it tells me that it's not America that's not Christian, it's the president that's not Christian."]
much more here, in connecting links, and threads..
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bg commented:
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Taqiyyotomist #24 February 21, 2012 at 3:47 pm
i see it more as having to make a choice between GOOD and
EVIL – FREEDOM or SLAVERY via Gods gift of free will to man..
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Opaobie commented:
Well, it was Obama’s DoD that shut down Franklin Graham’s “Operation Christmas Child” operations on military bases for the first time EVER since that CHRISTIAN ministry to children all around the world began. Churches and volunteer groups place toys, toiletries, and other small hard to get items in shoe boxes, the child or family sponsoring the shoe box gift places a card with a message from the family or child inside the shoe box to an unknown deprived child in a foreign country, and the ministry pays for all of it and delivers the shoe boxes at Christmas. What a threat to Obama’s Muslim “brotherhood”.
Funny, I didn’t hear of any riots or burning buildings or rock throwing mobs when Obama forced the military to stop participating.
Sasja commented:
Lest we forget his unfortunate…oops moment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
Fred commented:
ovomit said it himself in the book he didn’t write. I will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
bg commented:
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Earth to moron media..
at one time, Hitler claimed he was a Christian..
guess you would have taken his
word for it as well, oh wait.. /s/
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Sasja commented:
Taqiyyotomist
“Pick a Side Time” is upon us. Christ or “The World”, folks — those are your options.
Your choice will most likely have consequences.
I will always choose Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Rose1376 commented:
My sister visited Egypt right before the Arab “spring.” She had an Egyptian driver that seemed friendly so toward the end of their vacation she posed a question to him. She said, “Many Americans believe our President is a Muslim, do you?”
The driver said, ” His name is Hussein, right?’ She nodded that it was. He said, “His father was Muslim, right?” She nodded again. He said, “He was raised by a step-father who was Muslin, right? Well? What do you think?”
Obviously, other Muslims think he is a Muslim. Americans are the only idiots that step all over themselves trying to deny it.
Jim commented:
Amen, brother…
bg commented:
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i just hope and pray that Christians realize
many non-Christians are also on their side..
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Perfected democrat commented:
Graham is just stating the obvious, while some people are in cahoots (Democrats and co.) and a lot of other people are still in denial:
http://www.investigativeproject.org/3453/islamist-lobbies-washington-war-on-arab
“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” – Barrack Hussein Obama.”
sybilll commented:
If you don’t believe that this is all orchestrated, you must believe the JournOlist simply went away.
Woody commented:
I just wish he had faith in the Constitution.
Campfollower commented:
I’ll never forget a White House photo taken and released shortly after Obama took office that showed him talking to the Israeli prime minister, leaning back at his desk with his shoes up…soles of shoes sending an obvious message to his Muslim brothers that even though he was on the phone with Israel, well, you fill in the blank. Soles of shoes in the Oval Office. Muslim. No doubt.
el polacko commented:
so now we are going to start questioning others religious beliefs and argue about who is more ‘christian’ than whom ?!? i suppose we’ll be seeing rants about CINO’s any minute now. sheesh…we’re really determined to lose this presidential election, aren’t we? what happened to talking about the republican values regarding the economy, smaller government, and individual liberty?
Campfollower commented:
el polacko, I believe it’s been the media obsessed with everyone’s religion OTHER than Obama’s. First they ignored Rev. Wright, his childhood, well, you get the picture.
They only cared about religion when it became obvious Santorum was leading, anyway. I love how they were ready to focus on the Mormons and now have to switch gears.
Steven commented:
He didnt question it! He said ask him!
How the media screws it up!
Valerie commented:
I suspect that he believes that “religion is the opiate of the masses” and is therefore unimportant.
That’s the best I can make of his history – moving from madrassah to the Rev. Wright’s hatefest of a church had to have been possible because he just went along with what was convenient for himself.
Only a nonbeliever who also thought the hatefest was unimportant could have sat through the Rev. Wright’s sermons without protest.
bg commented:
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Opaobie #27 February 21, 2012 at 4:00 pm
but everything they do is “for the children”.. /s/
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American Commissars commented:
Did he make it out of msnbc alive!
Ausonius commented:
If any of you are familiar with Machiavelli’s The Prince (1513), it still is taught in higher ed, I would immagine especially to those majoring in law or political science (not my major).
It teaches a ruler to expand and strengthen their power. It teaches that deception is a fundamental tactic for a ruler. It teaches to always give lip service to supporting religion.
It teaches the benefits of ruthless action to awe the masses, but condemn the action in public to be seen as aligning with the masses. It teaches the sort of duplicity that only one who had long since shaken loose the shackles of a conscience or fear of the Divine.
I would dare say that it is required reading for a serious alinskyite such as little barry.
barry hussein shows no respect for Christianity and routinely shows hostility instead. There is no reason beyond his lip service claim to suggest he is a Christian.
“Would there be enough evidence of your Christianity to convict you of it in a court room?”
lona3185 commented:
In the first 4 days of his campaign in 2007, I blogged many times about the path this “Pied Piper/Manchurian Candidate” was taking the ‘believers’….right into Socialism or Communism. My husband and his parents arrived in America to escape what was happening in Eastern Europe. I still have many relatives living there in abject poverty due to Communism. Not too much difference between Socialism and Communism. I received many nasty posts.. .All I could add was ‘Beware for whom you vote’. How many regret it remains to be seen in the next election.
A YouTube video was sent to me with Obama addressing a mosque full of Muslims in which he had admitted he was a Muslim like them….quoted the Koran several times, loved the ‘call’ to prayer, etc, etc, etc. What does that tell a person?
Now is the time for all to come to prayer for this great Nation to change the heart and mind of these radical politicians….or at least to have elected the right future President to bring this Nation back under God.
lizzy84 commented:
Adirondack Patriot/#6 commented,
He “acquired” his faith only when it was necessary for politics.
So true. He’ll be Christian when it suits him or Muslim when it suits. He’s like a chameleon, changing as it suits him to get his way.
How else to explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2qulerCQ78
In the video, oBama quotes from Isaiah:53. He changes the key word, “inIquities” to inEquities and in doing so, alters one of the most fundamental concepts of the Christian faith.The time is right to spread this clip around.
bg commented:
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Ausonius #47 February 21, 2012 at 9:21 pm
albethey seemingly disconnected, your post brought the following to mind..
Obama and Dualism
[Islam is based upon the principles of dualism and submission.
However,you don't have to be a Muslim to invoke them. Obama
has closelyaligned himself with Rev. Wright's "Black Liberation
Theology", BLT.
Islam and Black Liberation Theology
[Barack Obama has closely aligned himself with Reverend Jeremiah
Wright and Black Liberation Theology (BLT). When viewed from the
Christian point-of-view, BLT is a strange creed, but when seen from
the standpoint of Islam, there is a very strong parallel.
Islam and BLT are theologies that have a political goal of making
all politics submit to their demands. Submission is the political goal.
[..]
The reason for so many parallels between Islam and BLT is that they
are both based upon the same principles—submission and duality.
Since Islam views white America as an enemy, BLT see Islam as the
“enemy of my enemy” and therefore is a friend. Witness the award
that Rev. Wright gave Louis Farrakhan as an outstanding person.
This comradeship is temporary. When the time comes and Islam is
fully ascendant, BLT will find out that Islam has been using them, just
as Islam uses the Left. In the end, Islam will annihilate BLT for the
simple reason that Islam demands political submission from ALL, not
the just the whites.]
An Ethical Basis for War Against Political Islam
[We have two sets of enemies. The far enemy is the politics of Islam.
The near enemies are the dhimmi apologists, fueled by ignorance and
multiculturalism and political correctness.]
Critical Theory
[Critical theory is thus able to develop a sharp, subtle, and derogatory account of modern consciousness which undermines much we believe by showing us the influences which have moulded our beliefs. These influences are contrasted with rationality and with the conditions for rational argument that would allow what Habermas calls the ‘ideal speech act’. Critical theory has therefore had a considerable influence, often indirect, on such ‘counter-culture’ movements as feminism and the green movement because it allows them to point to the structure and irrational origins of our ‘patriarchal’ or ‘industrial’ thought.]
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lona3185 commented:
Found this link on explanation of Mormon Baptism….on accepting the Trinity, beliefs,
disbeliefs, etc. Very interesting. I suppose that’s the reason many question about Romney being Christian. Draw your own conclusions.
http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu46.htm
The formula applied by the Mormons might appear to be a Trinitarian formula. But in reality, while the formula of the Mormons is similar to the formula of the Catholic faith, there is no fundamental doctrinal agreement in its application. The Mormon invocation of the Trinity is not a true invocation of the Trinity because the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, according to them, are not three persons in which subsists the one Godhead, but three gods who form one divinity.
The Mormons believe that the divinity originated when three gods decided to unite and form the divinity in order to bring about human salvation. Furthermore, the Mormons believe that God the Father is an exalted man, a native from another planet, who has acquired his divine status through a death similar to that of human beings, this being a necessary way of becoming divine. God the Father has relatives and this is explained by the doctrine of infinite regression of the gods who initially were mortal. God the Father has a wife, the Heavenly Mother, with whom he shared the responsibility of creation. They procreated sons in the spiritual world. Their firstborn was Jesus Christ, equal to all men, who acquired his divinity in a pre-mortal existence. Even the Holy Spirit was the son of heavenly parents. The Son and the Holy Spirit were procreated after the beginning of the creation of the world known to mankind. Four gods were directly responsible for the universe, three of whom established a covenant and therefore formed the divinity.
As can be appreciated, the Mormon baptism does not in any way contain the doctrinal belief that is associated with the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The words, “Father, Son and Holy Spirit,” have for the Mormons, a totally different meaning than that of the Christian faiths.
While this is only one reason, that being sufficient to affirm that the Mormon baptism is not valid, there are other reasons. Over and above the Mormon belief that there is no real Trinity, the Mormons do not believe in original sin, nor that Christ instituted baptism. Based on this, those who believe that they were baptized in the Mormon religion, must be baptized in the Catholic faith upon their conversion because they were never validly baptized as commanded by Jesus and taught by the Catholic faith.
This conclusion was handed down to the Catholic Church by The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in July, 2001.
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Ausonius #47 February 21, 2012 at 9:21 pm
re: [It teaches the sort of duplicity that only one who had long
since shaken loose the shackles of a conscience or fear of the
Divine.]
yep, that’s Barry..
i recall reading a story about Barry n which he stated he was in Koran
class and they had knelt head to floor to pray, but he sat up and didn’t
see any divine presence, no Allah etc.. so he wasn’t all that impressed
with religion so to speak, well, not for his own personal salvation sort
of reasons at any rate..
and the “duplicity” charge fits him like an extra layer of skin..
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bg commented:
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lona3185 #51 February 21, 2012 at 10:15 pm
there is a God, and we are the people, Amen..
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WillofLa commented:
As he should be with his father, a Muslim, his second father a Muslim, and with him Barry went to a Madrasah to learn about Islam. After he went to live with his grandparents the Socialist/Communists in Hawaii for many years, it was only in Obama’s early college years on a trip with his roommate to Pakistan did he “rediscover” his “roots” is Islam. He never forgot it again after that. He bows to Arab Kings, and any Islamic leader will Obama meet and spend many hours with.
Do you know Obama has never met with a Christian preacher, pastor, or Catholic Father? Not once. You would have thought after Obama shoved rubber’s down the throats of Catholic’s, wasn’t he supposed to meet with some Bishop about the issue? When was that supposed to happen?
Obama has met with Muslims many, many times in the White House. But has the gaul to tell Sarkosi that he has to put up with Netenyaho all the time, but in three years has only met with the man three times, actually only one and a half times because the other times Obama cut their meeting short and left the man to leave by the delivery door, like some filth being thrown out back.
Yeah, Obama has deep roots in Islam and always will. Obama will always give Islam more time and space than any other leader.
Cheryl commented:
You will know them by their fruits. Obama’s fruit (disdain for Israel, chumminess with the Muslim Brotherhood, mocking the Bible, but esteeming the Koran as “holy”) is definitely Muslim. I have no doubt whatsoever that not only is he a Muslim, but also that he is anti-Israel AND anti-American. He is a Muslim mole in the white House.
jorgen commented:
Whether Obama is a Muslim or just want to damage the USA: for all practical purposes, he is a Muslim.
Patty commented:
Franklin Graham, I do share you views. Hope that voters who care about these issue will go out and vote. The trouble is some have short term memories or just don’t care.
democraps suck commented:
anyboy with a name that has HUSSEIN in it is a MOOSLUM…pure and simple…odumbo IS A MOOSLUM…why can’t we all agree to that
MilitantCatholic commented:
All of a sudden the Left is raging against Franklin Graham. Which means he must be right on target. Limbaugh is Right: the Left attack who they fear.
tadcf commented:
Everybody know there is an ulterior motive for Christian to do ‘good works’: To convert people to Christianity.
LAURIE commented:
obummer IS A FULL FLEDGED MUSLIM, HOW DID THIS DIASTER GET ELECTED?????????????????
Wesley Mcgranor commented:
Obama might embrace the reality that Mohammedanism is the future, since The West has forsaken Christendom–in a Protestant context at the least, that accommodations must be made. The term Christian can be broad, so broad that one may include Catholic Santorum as a Christian.
LaInfidel commented:
It is amazing how long it has taken people to realize that Obama is a muslim. He is intentionally destroying America right in front of our eyes. muslims only have one purpose and that is to kill all infidels or non muslims. This isn’t a religion of peace. If that were true then why the up roar in Kabul today?? I’ve never known a Baptist, Methodist or Catholic kill people because the bible was burned or trashed. Be an idiot and believe the propaganda that the liberal/traitors spew and you will soon regret it.
Werner commented:
Some shocking insights into the Islam that Franklin Graham has spotlighted can easily be seen by Googling “Islam will purify Jews and Christians.” A totally riveting piece!