UPDATE! PG&E Tells City Board: ‘Customers Will Go Without Power Until A Smart Meter Is Reinstalled’

Posted By The P/Oed Patriot

The Smart Grid in the United States is an ongoing collaboration between the Federal Government and the Power Companies.  As more and more people wake up to the threat to their privacy that the Smart Grid represents, people are doing the only thing they can and fighting it on a local level.

Earlier this week, I wrote an article describing how some PG&E customers, who removed their Smart Meter and replaced it with an analog by a liscensed professional electrician, have had their power shut off.

On December 13th in California, the Santa Cruz Board of Supervisors grilled Wendy Sarsfield, a representative from the public utility PG&E, as to why they will not restore power to those customers who have had their PG&E Smart Meters replaced with an analog meter.

During the exchange, that resembled a combination of a dog chasing it’s tail and shooting fish in a barrel, Wendy kept insisting that saftey was the main issue for which power was not restored to the homeowners. Upon hearing this, Board Member after Board Member seemed to come up with a viable, workable solution, but it was always unacceptable to the PG&E Rep.  After several minutes where the PG&E Rep began sounding like a broken record while refusing to come to any reasonable solution about restoring power to people’s homes (One of which was just to add people to the delay list and reinstall an analog meter until the California Public Utilites Commission-CPUC- finished creating an opt out program), one Board Member cut to the chase (Begins around the 5:00 Mark):

Board Member:  “Are you telling us that house will be without electricity until the CPUC completes their opt out process?”

PG&E Rep: “That’s correct or if there is a Smart Meter that is replaced.”

Board Member: “And if the CPUC takes 6 months to complete their opt out process are you saying that PG&E is going to let that household go without power for 6 months?”

PG&E Rep: “It’s my understanding that we will not……..there needs to be a Smart Meter for us to reconnect the power.”

I suggest you watch the entire video and it will become all too clear that the issue isn’t about saftey as much as it’s about shoving Smart Meters down peoples’ throats.

Those of us that believe in small Constitutional Government understand that there is a time when local Governments are the only thing that stand between the destructive force to our Liberties that Big Government and Big Business sometimes represent.

Fighting the Smart Grid is one of those times.


Stop Smart Meters.org is now reporting that PG&E has returned power to the homes but not in the way you would think:

“Since PG&E has (falsely) claimed that they have no analog meters left, they were forced to save face by installing a device to bypass the meter – allowing unmetered electricity to flow to the homes. They plan to base their billing on last year’s usage.”

Here is a picture of the bypass that was installed where the meters go even though PG&E are removing analog meters from other homes everyday to replace them with Smart Meters and could easily use one of those instead of this bypass:

H/T Stopsmartmeters.org

H/T Gateway Pundit Readers

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  • jharp

    What is it you dumbasses don’t understand about if you don’t like what PG&E is doing DON’T DO BUSINESS WITH THEM?

    No one is forcing you.

    And don’t tell me you want government regulators to step in and put job killing regulations on a private company. That is contrary to everything you morons stand for.

    God you people are stupid.

  • Galt

    What don’t you understand? If you don’t like reading about it stop coming here, but that would require you to get a life right?

  • Dave-O

    Libtards claim to be “pro-choice” but mean “their” choice and not “your” choice.

    they are nothing more than fascists.

  • Carbon Pootprint

    Is there an alternative utility company to PG&E? I’m betting the answer is no. So people really don’t have a choice of “not doing business with them”

  • dtih

    It’s really Orwellian, ‘SMART Grid’. I guess if you are not on the ‘SMART Grid’ you must be a ‘Dumb ASS’ according to the PG&E tyrants.

    They know better than you. So rather than try to increase the availability of electricity the gov’t wants to be in the rationing business. Lots of political power in that folks, punish your enemies.. Isn’t that what Obama said?

  • Molon Labe

    Typical fascists. They order and you “dumb asses” had better obey. Or else Obama and Holder will detain you indefinitely for being “terrorists.”
    There is no reason for these meters. They do nothing that an analog meter does not.

    I lived many years overseas and I never saw one police state that was as bad as the USA is becoming under Obama, even Russia, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, or Iraq.

  • jharp

    #4 December 17, 2011 at 9:01 pm
    Carbon Pootprint commented:

    “Is there an alternative utility company to PG&E?”

    Good God you people are stupid.

    Have you ever heard of a generator? Or batteries? Or a wood burning stove?

  • jharp

    #2 December 17, 2011 at 8:52 pm
    Galt commented:

    What don’t you understand?

    I don’t understand why you wouldn’t let the invisible hand of the market do it’s work.

    If you don’t like what PG&E offers. Don’t buy it. It’s just that simple.

    Please don’t tell me you want the heavy hand of government involved.

    Where in the Constitution does it say that the government is allowed to ban a private company from putting in the meter of their choice?

    Answer that one dumbass.

  • Sasja

    jharp. Were you born stupid, or have you had to work at it?

  • Molon Labe

    #7 & 8

    Just when you think there is no one crazier than Rosie O’Donnell JFart proves that he is dedicated to growing idiocy exponentially.

  • Molon Labe


    No one could be as stupid a JFart. He is always opposing reason’s hegemony.

  • usamopatriot

    jharp was born stupid and is now working at becoming even more stupid.

  • Molon Labe

    Anyone notice that JFart is so stupid that he calls a government controlled monopoly the “invisible hand oof the market.”

    The Klingons had no phrase in their language for “dumbass lying piece of fertilizer” till they met JFart in an asylum.

  • Molon Labe


    JFart it just that some people do not likesleeping on grates on sidewalks as you obviously do while molesting innocent passerbys for loose change.

    Youse peoples es sooooooooo estupidos.

  • Barracuda

    Riiiight, jharp. Because electricity is so “optional” in today’s world. What if these people’s only method of heating is electric? What if they have no fireplace? PG&E is a utility, meaning there probably IS no alternative. As for a generator, do you have any IDEA how expensive the gas to keep one running all the time to power a house would be? Where in COMMON SENSE does it say a company is allowed to expose its customers to unnecessary risk and danger of injury to make a few extra bucks? Something doesn’t have to be unConstitutional to be ILLEGAL, genius.

  • ar05075

    jharp, is dumbass your alter ego.??

  • jharp

    Just so we’re clear Barracuda. It is a right to have have electricity delivered to your door? And it is a right to have the meter of your choice installed in your home?

    Please cite that point of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that guarantees us those rights.

    You Teabaggers do want to get back to following the Constitution don’t you?

  • Sasja

    Trying to work with these yahoos reminds me of the old days when one had a disagreement with the phone company. At that time, they were the only game in town so you were really at their mercy. Won’t go into detail, but in the end my attorney told me to pay the two dollars and be done with it because I wasn’t going to win that battle of “it’s the principle of the thing”. Which I did. But I was right.

    We have these meters in OKC and I never gave it one thought. The only difference I see is they don’t have to send out meter readers anymore, nor do they have to come to your house to shut you off. Our utility companies, so far, are easy to work with when there is a problem, or dispute. Altho I haven’t heard of anyone around here complaining about the smart meter.

  • Stu B.

    Jharp- Go back to changing the Occupoopers diapers. That’ll keep you busy for a while. Think of it as a break from that crack pipe you’ve been inhaling from every five minutes.

  • Peggy R

    Resellers over PG&E’s network will have to use their end customer interfaces. I don’t see a viable physical network alternative for consumers. One of the first Bell System legal losses over 40 years ago, was Carterfone, in which Bell claimed that its own device had to be at the end of the line in the customer’s premises for network safety and integrity. That argument was rejected. That was an FCC proceeding. If our courts and legal system remain remotely consistent and with integrity, PG&E should not win this either.

  • Peggy R

    Public utilities are typically obligated to serve all (paying) customers without discrimination as they have historically been the only game in town. It’s called utility regulation. Utilities have been monopolies by virtue of the economic and physical/technological impossibility of more than one provider being able to serve a market.

  • Sasja

    I think we need to cut jharp some slack. It’s not easy for those with the mentality of a 5-year-old. Right now I picture him stomping his feet and turning red in the face.

  • ID

    Public utility becomes unresponsive to the public. I want to see Wendy and everyone at PG&E arrested for endangering the public health.

  • Molon Labe

    JHarp goes do you think you have a right to have electricity delivered to your door>

    Oooh, the troll castrati JFart doesn’t seem to understand in rteurn for no competition this is exactly what electric utilities are obliged to do.

    But as we all know in JFart’s propsed People’s Paradise asking such questions will have you detained by Holders SS and thrown away at the whim of Commissar Zero without trial indefinitely, because that’s the Leftist way.

    Die fahnen hoch there JFart baby!

    Youse peoples es sooooooooooooo estupidos.

  • shark

    This is the same kind of jerk that thinks mandating health care is constitutional. Where’s that in the constitution? Really, this troll is so stupid he needs a loan just to buy a clue.

  • ID

    JHarp, your real name is Wendy Sarsfield, isn’t it?

  • Molon Labe



    Why do you torment and insult five yearsolds so. I have a five year old and I assure you he is no JFart. He is light years ahead of JFart. My five year old doesn’t put spittle on the computer screen nor drool into his shoes. I don’t know any five year olds who think their God. Besides not even my dog would lick JFart.

  • Patty

    C A L I F O R N I A……Land where crazy ideas and freedom falls of the cliff.

  • NewYorker

    Our local electrical company installed one of these in our house some years ago, never telling us that the new thermostat would provide the utility with the ability to change our thermostat settings at its will. We only learned this when we were unable to turn our air conditioner on during a severe heat wave. They tell you that the big advantage is that you will be able to change settings while away from your home, they don’t tell you that they will also have that advantage. . .

  • Patty


    Ban smart meters.

    I FULLY believe that the smart meter is responsible for my house burning in may 2010. I lived in a BRAND new doublewide. had the “old meter” for the 1st 9 months of living in the home. immediatly after the smart meter was installed, fuses began to blow, lights would dim totally off then come back on, light bulbs would blow WEEKLY. my home burnt on a thursday, and prior to the fire,,,alabama power had came to my home 4 times to check out my “problems”. four days before the fire, the power co was called out to check a LOUD pop and power went off for about 30 seconds and then came back on. I started making my son sleep in my room for fear of a fire in the middle of the night. we lived in total fear for MONTHS then one day I got off work and came home to find my home fully engulfed in flames. AL [Alabama] POWER immediately took my smart meter. hmmmm. and within 60 days of the fire, MY meter was no where to be found, I was told the power co had destroyed it!! can someone help or if you have had a fire since the smart meter was installed, PLEASE email me or call 256 463 9864

  • ID

    Good news:

    Heads still need to roll over this injustice.

  • Sasja

    Molon Labe, my sincerest apologies to you and your 5-year-old. Thinking back, my son, at age 5, was much more intelligent than Jharp.

  • Patty

    #31 December 17, 2011 at 9:55 pm
    ID commented:

    Good news:

    Heads still need to roll over this injustice.

    read this on your posted site: “This does not mean that everyone in California who changes meters out will receive help. However, PG&E reconnecting these families shows they are backpedaling, which is good,” said Susan Brinchman, director and founder of the Center for Electrosmog Prevention.

    The La Mesa resident has been a leader in efforts to ban smart meters or at least give residents an opt-out opportunity. She urged those opposed to smart meters to call and write to the California Public Utilities Commission, utility companies including SDG&E locally, and federal, state and local officials to voice concerns.

  • jharp

    I am hearing that Obama is going to issue an executive order mandating utilities install only teabagger approved electric meters. Or something like that.

    And that’s OK with you folks?

  • Sasja

    Get ready PG&E customers because OG&E has brokered a deal with a company called Silver Springs Network, for their Demand Response Solution technology. Says it is voluntary but before long, I’m sure everyone will have to install the new thermostats and whatever all for this glorious innovation. Haven’t read up on it yet as it seems very detailed, but what I have garnered is these new thermostats can be controlled thru the smart grid. If anyone out there knows about this technology, please explain it.

    But my reference to PG&E is that if it is successful here, PG&E is going to follow suit. So have fun y’all.

  • Carbon Pootprint

    I hope jharp is a guard at my Obama internment camp. It”ll be easy to escape bahahaha

  • Carl T.

    I’m glad useful idiots like this guy are on the losing side. Justice will be served after all.

  • Gateway Guest Blogger

    Sasja, I hope to make my last guest post about the Smart Grid and Demand Response. I wanted to do so before now but it would’t be fair to Jim Hoft for me to turn his website into Stop the Smart Grid central. So sometime Monday night I hope to have something up about it that isn’t book length.

    Also Thank You to those on this comment thread that found the article about PG&E turning back on the power. I went to one of my usual Smart Grid news sources and found they had just posted the info as I was posting this original article.

    Jim has some great readers who are quick on the draw!


    The P/Oed Patriot

  • Sasja

    The P/Oed Patriot. Have enjoyed you and the other guest bloggers. It’s been entertaining and informative.

  • Tyranny’s Bain

    Next Up:
    SmartInternet – It makes the difficult choices for you by selecting the “fair” “honest” “balanced” “unbiased” “truthful” “hate-speech free” “socially just” “moderate” “bipartisan” “independent” “electable” content you will be permitted to see.

    We all know the individual can’t be trusted with personal liberty and freedom. The elitist know best, so let’s keep electing moderate centrist electable statists to make our choices for us.

    Freedom is overrated. Choose subjugation its’ HopieChangie!

  • Gateway Guest Blogger

    Thanks Sasja it’s been an honor, and a challenge, all I can say is Jim Hoft is a machine and the best in the biz. And he seems to attact the same type of people in his readership.

    You guys have also been very entertaining and informative, I find myself almost enjoying the comment threads more than writing the articles. It has definately been a lot of fun.

    The P/Oed Patriot

  • jmar

    jhar, why are you such a tool? Is you real name Barack Hussein Obama?

  • RCL

    Yes, there is a possible future problem with the Smart Meter if it is abused to control thermostats or other appliances. This has been suggested by leftists in the California government and the Greens. The fact of the matter is no company has the legal right nor the installed capability to do that. That threat will actually come from the leftist goons our blogger is putting forward as the heroes of this piece.

    An honest discussion has to confront the primary issue for PG&E or Sempra or any other utility, manpower cost. If you lived in Santa Cruz as I do you’d realize what a prodigious task it must be to wind your way through the meandering mountain roads in our redwood forests eyeballing meters. It is simply stupid to send out dozens of individuals driving around reading meters when you can simply have the meters all monitored over a network.

    Where is this paranoia coming from? All of our modern connected networks have the potential for abuse. To make this particular instance out to be egregious is just plain silly. Certainly the potential for spying and control is much higher from your computer or cellphone network connections. How about your telephone and cable or fiber optic TV? They all have potential to spy on you without your notice or permission. Why are you silent?

    Please remember this is in Santa Cruz County, where they still sell Dead Head memorabilia in the coffee shops. Every single public official doing the grilling here is one of those lefties who think Obama hasn’t gone far enough. Since they’re mentally incapable of logic it escapes them that full implementation of Smart Meters will save literally millions of miles of auto travel by meter readers. Global Climate Change gets a rest today so they can stay focused on how evil corporations are abusing the 99%.

    Congrats Gateway clones, you’re now in the Occupy Movement.

    You guys are depressing… :- (

  • Texas_Treeroach

    Achtung! Achtung!
    Die Elektrizität bleibt nicht erreichbar!!!
    Gehen Sie zu einem neighbor’s-Haus!!!

  • Patty



    Smoking ban, government reform on Daniels’ 2012 agenda


  • Patty

    Mayor Bloomberg defends city’s ban of Christmas decorations at Staten Island ferry terminals

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mayor-bloomber-defends-city-ban-christmas-decorations-staten-island-ferry-terminals-article-1.992577#ixzz1grEofIG4

  • jmar

    jharp, why are you such a tool? Is your real name Barack Hussein Obama?

  • Patty


    Obama To Clinton: “You’re A Racist.” Clinton Calls Obama: “The Worst President Ever.”


  • Patty
  • Galt

    RCL what you don’t understand is that the Smart Grid is as the article states:

    “An ongoing collaboration between the Federal Government and Utility Companies.”

    Many times these Utility Companies are Government allowed monopolies, such as PG&E and/or an outright Public owned Utility.

    Therefore we are looking at Big Government and Big Business working together to destroy your right to privacy in your own home through the two way communication/control system that will EVENTUALLY be integrated into the Smart Grid system.

    If all the Smart Grid was about is a wireless interface then we wouldn’t be commenting on here, but there is alot you obviously don’t know.

    And as far as being Progressives on the council, your right, they are. But in this case when people are fighting for a worthy cause, then they are fighting for a worthy cause. Do they have to be conservative to be against the Smart Grid? No…. they just have to be Freedom Loving Americans… and that covers a broad spectrum of people.

  • Patty

    OT- last one

    Video: Allen West Chastises The Media: Stop Being Afraid Of Obama


  • I’m with the power company on this one. The SMART meters are incredibly useful for gauging how much power to put into the grid on any given day and is really helping to keep costs down. These meters are crucially important tools keeping them from burning valuable fuels that don’t need to be burned to create power that isn’t used, and it helps them avoid brownouts when power usage peaks.

    Personally, I think rejecting 21st century advancements in power grid management because of personal paranoia is extreme and ill advised, but if they do want to find an alternative, perhaps they should look into getting their city to fund some kind of local plant. For example, my hometown has an inactive hydroelectric plant on the main river that could easily power about a quarter of the homes in the city (or conversely, power all of the businesses on our city’s main street – US Route 1). It’s expensive, but it’s an alternative if they’re serious about getting off of the power company’s grid.

    Of course, the more enterprising individual households could just build their own generator of some kind. Power generation is late 19th century tech, I’m sure they can figure it out.

  • Practical Jane

    Power companies are monopolys and should be broken up the way Ma Bell was. Of course O would never do this as it creates competition – the bain of a Socialists exsistence.

  • Patty

    Hey, California! Since you like locks so much, try locking up some of the Mexican, Iranian, Hezbollah cartels on the borders.

    Take away some of their rights, instead of ours.

  • Tyranny’s Bain

    #50 December 17, 2011 at 10:48 pm
    Galt commented:

    If all the Smart Grid was about is a wireless interface then we wouldn’t be commenting…


    This will be an incremental loss of liberty. It is the Milton Friedman “boiling of the frog” analogy.

    When the rolling blackouts and brown-outs occur, PG&E will say they need to implement the “Smart Grid”, only in case of emergencies of course. People will be only too happy to go along in order to prevent more power losses. More power generation capacity will be dismissed as “radical” and anti-Green.

    Incrementally PG&E will gain more control of your consumption until the next thing you know, they have control of your thermostat, your hot water heater, your appliances, etc. The frog is now cooked and you are a serf.

  • Rose

    I think people should develop a closed system generator that is individual to each house or building, or other application. Stand alone independent. Tell Govt and Utilities where to go. As strongly as it takes.

    Git ‘er done!

  • Rose

    #52. You don’t have a right. You don’t have the Authority.

  • jharp

    #53 December 17, 2011 at 10:57 pm
    Practical Jane commented:

    “Power companies are monopolys and should be broken up the way Ma Bell was. Of course O would never do this as it creates competition – the bain of a Socialists exsistence.”

    Hmmmm. You meant like Jimmy Carter broke up Ma Bell. And lowered our phone bills by 2/3rds.


    Credit where credit is due?

  • Molon Labe


    JFart tells us Carter is responsible for lowering telecommunication costs and not technology. Guess that means Reagan is responsible for cheaper airline fares rather than competion and technology.

    Another example of JFart’s infantilization of thought aND CONSTANT AGITPROP.

  • Molon Labe

    I think people like JFart should live in NYC where they have a mayor who thinks he can tell you to stop using salt, sugar, tobacco and anything else that takes his fancy. Isn’t amazing that Liberals always want to control others and conservatives just want to be left alone.

  • Galt

    One other thing if it wasn’t for all of the tax payer money being used for the advancement of the Smart Grid, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. The utilities can’t afford to do this on their own.

  • gus

    JIMMY CARTER broke up BELL??? The man was a legend!!!!


  • gus

    Molon, the typical LIBTARD rejoinder, is that WE conservatives want to CONTROL a WOMAN’S body!!! Our disdain for the aforementioned woman, KILLING HER BABY, is none of our business.

  • jharp

    #62 December 17, 2011 at 11:49 pm
    gus commented:

    JIMMY CARTER broke up BELL???

    Yes he did. And he also deregulated the trucking industry.

    Thanks for asking.

  • SteveN

    So, jharp, was Jimmy Carter president when the suit to breakup AT&T was filed in 1974? No?
    Okay, then. Was he president in 1982 when it was settled? No?

    But based on your previous comments, why would you even be trying to take credit for your side on this? AT&T customers just should have invented cell phones or otherwise gotten around a government mandated monopoly just like they should do now with PG&E, right? Neither facts nor logic nor consistency are your strong points, are they? Dumbass.

  • gus

    Thanks STEVE. Jfuktard is a clown.

  • SteveN

    Carter also deregulated the airlines. If you want to take credit for actual accomplishments.

  • #64…before jimmy carter busted up the bell system my phone bill was $4.00 a month. that was unlimited calls and a local call was anywhere in the state. now my bill is twenty times that and a call across the street is a toll call. great job by the peanut farmer.

    i can’t believe you are still posting here after constantly making a fool of yourself. a monoploy is free enterprise. people have other choices when their utility company is a monopoly. and you call other people stupid, which is very mean-spirited and insensitive for a liberal.

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  • tahDeetz

    PG&E is worried about a public fire-hazard?!

    Kinda like their 20 story fireball from that gas-main last year?


  • ogee

    I have had a dumb meter on my house for 2 years. I can’t keep track of my usage like I used to. It records 8888888888.
    BUT..They can’t control my thermostat……LOL 😆 ….The interior thermostats were all changed by me to prevent that. LOL It’s time to be creative. 2 can play the same game. 😡

    sooooooooo……occupoopers are now protesting Christmas. WTF? I guess they have nothing better to do than to complain. IT’S PART OF THE TYPICAL RADICAL FASCIST DEM illogic. They always and only make sense to themselves… check uhbama’s stream of confusing words….. only the people at the bottom of the barrel understand it. Most of America has no clue deciphering his illogical speechifying.


    All the commie radical dem party can do is lie. They need to STFU. This is not the dem party of the past. The real dem party was hijacked. It’s now neo-cons vs fascist commie dems.

    except for Ron Paul.
    I refuse to be lied to again… {cough-\newt/- cough} McCain handed the win to uhbama and so will {cough \newt/-cough} open your eyes and do your research.
    Dr Paul 2012

  • gus

    Ogee. Ron Paul, is a NUT.
    Ron Paul says a lot of POPULIST nonsense, and is an Isolationist FOOL. Paul isn’t PLAYING. Paul is a somewhat conservative, somewhat libertarian, somewhat CRACK POT. Candidate.
    I think Ron Paul has some good and valid points in POLITICS. The PROBLEM with RON PAUL, is that he is also a NUT.
    Yes, some really good ideas, YES, Some FRUITY, NUTTY stuff as well.
    Paul’s TAKE on IRAN and IRAN’S nuclear capabilities……..IS FRUITY. IT’S NUTS/CRAZY.
    Paul’s ISOLATIONIST, ANTI-WAR stance, as could possibly be related to IRAN and IRAN’S impending NUCLEAR WAR capability, is NUTTY, FRUITY and SCARY RIDICULOUS.
    Ron Paul is a NUT. Obama is far far worse. Ron Paul’s personal IDEOLOGY, and that ideologies, complete disconnect with REALITY……Disqualifies Ron Paul.

    I know. Ron Paul is brilliant!!! Right?

  • Molon Labe


    There is zero advantage over the normal meter. If it has an advantage over existing models pray tell what is it? Why aren’t utilities throughout the world rushing to adopt such a wonder? Glad they wouldn’t dare try this in Texas. By the way Texas has and will maintain an independent grid to avoid this kind of monkey business.

  • Molon Labe


    Too bad JFart’s mother didn’t consider mercy killing. Having a creature such as this without a brain must be unnerving.

  • gus

    Molon!!! Jtard’s Mommy, was Pro-Choice.


  • Gride

    Douchebag Jfart seems to like the argument that having electricity isn’t a right. But I bet he sure thinks having healthcare is a right. Jfart probably also thinks he has a right to marry his gay lover. But of course he can’t point to these rights in the Constitution.

    Idiot hypocrite loser. How is it possible that liberals can be so damn dumb!?

    Just a side note: Something I concluded today. Over the years I have come to the realization that the people I know who are liberals seem to have all been bullied as children. So over the last few months I did an informal poll of friends/family/co-workers etc. And sure enough 95% of the people I asked who considered themselves liberal were all bullied in some way as children. I find this to be fascinating. It really could explain a lot. Now there were about 15% conservatives who did say they were bullied but most of them explained how they took it upon themselves to stop the bullying. The more I thought about it the more it makes sense. It explains why liberal protests seem to always be violent. They get together with a bunch of other individuals who have shared the same experience. In large groups they feel empowered and feel like it is their turn to do the bullying. Now notice I said large groups? They still wilt like flowers when they are on their own but they feel secure in a crowd of like-minded people.

    This could also explain why liberals never want to go to war. They are stuck in victim-hood. They never learned to stand up for themselves and fight back. They never understood why they kept getting their milk money taken and they never figured out how to stop it. They are stuck. It is all rooted in childhood.

    Hollywood and the music industry are overwhelmingly liberal. This is where all the drama club, choir and band members went. These were the kids most often picked on. Ya see, it is all making sense.

    Also about 80% of the conservatives I questioned participated in sports growing up while only about 30% of liberals did. Not sure what that means yet. Draw your own conclusion.

    I should mention that in no way did I allow them to know what I was doing. I did not want them to give me false info. I felt like If they knew the reasons for my questions they might not have been truthful.

    This has inspired me to actually do a full blown query to see the differences in children who became liberal or conservative.

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  • gus

    GRIDE. Imagine the first NEGRO, who has HER electricity turned off, for WHATEVER reason


  • timt223

    Please understand my slow typing as I laugh my butt off, anyone every hear of a generator??? Here in TX thankfully we still have some leaders that believe in individual rights, yes we still have problems but when you buy or build a house be smart enough to think ummm gas for heat, hot water and cooking and electricity for other crap.

  • squeaky

    smart meters like everything else with a dual use and how much do you trust the government to not take advantage of the other unintended use. generators, wood stoves, batteries have their own issues. generators here are the new item since we went without power for almost a week [ma] and even the gas heat customers were in the cold because their service needed electric.

  • O : F

    Funny how there actually is a movement against these “smart meters” in the US, never heard of it before I read this. In my country they’ve been replacing the old meters for a while now, but I never heard anyone complaining about it. Only comment I heard was “don’t they know how bad the mobile reception is here, that won’t work most of the time”. Maybe swedes are just indoctrinated to believe anything new is good.

  • Jharp, didn’t I see you handing out fliers for the Hitler Youth last week in Sacramento?

    You are a funny boy. Electric Utilities are legal monopolies who are chartered with the obligation to serve the public. They are tightly controlled by state and federal regulations to avoid just this kind of insanity pressed upon the consumers by those brilliant Cali Education racket grads.

  • Joe College

    I did a lengthy comment a couple weeks ago about Obama’s ties to the utility industry through Bill Ayers. Here it is:


    Check out how the Dow Jones Utility Index DJU seemingly impervious to the fear gripping the rest of the market.

    The moral of the story is — follow the money.

  • Joe College

    There was a 2006 article in Harper’s magazine covering then Senator Obama’s business connections. Here is the part about his utility ties in general and specifically to the one connected with Ayers, Rahm and Axelrod.

    Barack Obama Inc.: The birth of a Washington machine

    “Consider the case of Illinois-based Exelon Corporation, the nation’s leading nuclear-power-plant operator. The firm is Obama’s fourth largest patron, having donated a total of $74,350 to his campaigns. During debate on the 2005 energy bill, Obama helped to vote down an amendment that would have killed vast loan guarantees for power-plant operators to develop new energy projects. The loan guarantees were called “one of the worst provisions in this massive piece of legislation” by Taxpayers for Common Sense and Citizens Against Government Waste; the public will not only pay millions of dollars in loan costs but will risk losing billions of dollars if the companies default. ”

    * * *

    And here is a money quote from the article”

    “… it is also startling to see how quickly Obama’s senatorship has been woven into the web of institutionalized influence-trading that afflicts official Washington.”

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    Fukk them—install a generator run off either propane or natural gas

  • Kissmygrits

    We already fund the installation of their solar arrays and wind farms. Now we have to have their controls over what we do in our houses installed or be left in the dark. This Smart Grid is more govt control over our every day lives.

  • Sad_Engineer

    I am saddened to read most of these comments. I thought conservatives were supposed to learn the facts (and science) before falling for some mass hysteria. First, a smart meter by itself CANNOT control your energy usage. It can measure, and report, it in many useful ways, but not control it.

    [sidenote] there is a specialized version with an internal switch that can be used to turn power off completely. Not control the amount, turn off completely. It is used in areas with high incidence of lack of payment [/sidenote].

    The only way a smart meter can control energy usage is IF equipment is installed in the home that controls usage and can “talk” to the meter. Without this additional equipment, the meter is simply a meter.

    Second, there is no reason to fear a smart meter. It is just a meter. Some do communicate via radio, some do not. However, those that do expose you to less radiation than a cell phone or even your own wifi system.

    Third, the utility can install whatever meter they want. It is their meter. You can no more tell them what meter to use than you can tell Walmart what type of cash register to use.

    A few final thoughts: Unless the fire started in the meter base (the metal box housing the meter) then the meter did NOT burn your house down. The meter cannot reach into your home and start a fire. The fact that the fire occurred after the meter was installed is known as a coincidence.

    While I think it is silly to oppose smart meters as they are just meters, I agree that you can be upset with plans to force you to install equipment in your home that will allow control of energy consumption. I don’t like that part either. I want to use what I want when I want. Now, that will come with penalties at some point as utilities move to time of use rates. Under those rates, the cost varies throughout the day and using electricity at peak times will cost more. It is coming. It has to. NIMBYs won’t allow new power plant construction so something has to be done to reduce peak demand.

  • Galt

    Just remember folks these Smart Meters on your homes are 1st Generation which usually will not be able to control your appliances since most people do not have Demand Response Technology in their homes..yet. It’s the Demand Response technology that will allow the Utilities to track and control things in your home.

    But the utility company has had the power for years to install remote devices so that they can turn off your water heater, AC and furnace for about 5 minutes at a time in order to help control the demand on the Grid at high peak times but those devices can not tell them specific info like what time you turn on your coffee maker.

    The citizens referred to in this video seem to be complaining of health problems from the radiation given off by the Smart Meter, how true that is I have no idea.

    But if Smart Meters are stopped now, then they won’t have the chance to install the 2nd or 3rd Generation meters, which combined with the Demand Response Appliances that will be the only thing you can buy in the about 5 years thanks to the Obama administration forcing up energy standards on appliances this past year, will be the threat to your privacy that we are all concerned about.

  • Galt

    You want to see what they have planned for the Smart Grid read this:


    It’s a document from the Federal Government, in cooperation with the industry, talking about the Standards they would like to see for the Smart Grid and things connected to it, and a plan of action to get there.

    Read it and see the future that so many say is a ‘tin foil hat’ conspiracy.

    Here is their definition of Advanced Metering Infrastructure:

    “Advanced metering infrastructure (AMI): Currently, utilities are focusing on developing
    AMI to implement residential demand response and to serve as the chief mechanism for
    implementing dynamic pricing. It consists of the communications hardware and software and associated system and data management software that creates a two-way network between advanced meters and utility business systems, enabling collection and distribution of information to customers and other parties, such as the competitive retail supplier or the
    utility itself. AMI provides customers real-time (or near real-time) pricing of electricity, and
    it can help utilities achieve necessary load reductions.”

    It’s on page 21.

  • Galt

    On page 41 of the same document above here is a section titled ‘Smart Grid Interface to the Customer Domain’ those of you that don’t believe read it an weep:

    3.5 Smart Grid Interface to the Customer Domain
    The interface between the Smart Grid and the customer domain is of special importance. It will be the most visible part of the Smart Grid to the consumer. The conceptual reference model (see Figure 3-2) depicts two distinct elements that, together, provide the interface to the Customer Domain: the Meter and the Energy Services Interface (ESI), which serves as the gateway to the Customer Premises Network. It is through these interfaces that electricity usage is measured, recorded, and communicated; service provisioning and maintenance functions are performed (such as remote connection and disconnection of service); and pricing and demand response signaling occurs. New and innovative energy related services, which we may not even imagine today, will be developed and may require additional data streams between the Smart Grid and the customer domain. Extensibility and flexibility are important considerations. The interface must be interoperable with a wide variety of energy-using devices and controllers, such as thermostats, water heaters, appliances, consumer electronics, and energy management systems. The diversity of communications technologies and standards used by devices in the customer domain presents a significant challenge to achieving interoperability. In addition, ensuring cyber security is a critical consideration.

  • Galt

    Now if facts from Government documents don’t convince you of the direction that they want to take the Smart Grid, then your an idiot.

  • Sasja

    Galt, I believe the next generation is from the Silver Springs Network’s “Demand Response Solution” technology which our utility (OG&E) will be instituting shortly. As I understand it, it will require, among other things, the customer to have installed a special thermostat which will directly link to the smart grid in such a way the thermostat can be controlled by the utility.

  • #86: It’s not that easy. PG&E HAS THE MONOPOLY in all of my surrounding areas. They are the ONLY utility company. Living off a generator is completely UNREALISTIC especially if you have children in the home. Propane, which is where my heating source comes from has skyrocketed to $4.38 a gallon!!! Propane companies hose you in the winter months because they can. Natural gas is NOT an option at this time because it’s not offered anywhere. They are drilling like crazy for it but not offering it. It’s completely BIG GOVERNMENT control that has put a stranglehold on our options/realistic choices. And the Smart Meter is only ONE example of how they’re going about it.

    PS – Don’t feed the trolls (i.e., Jharp) it has ruined many great forums.

  • Galt

    Sasja the way someone else put it before is exactly what they are doing, the frog and the hot water. If they threw us in the hot water we would react from the shock and jump out (They can’t just throw us in anyway because much of this technology is still being developed) but if they slowly add the frog to the hot water, one leg or arm at a time so that the frog will get used to it, then there will be much less resistance.

    That is why it is so frustrating for me to see people babbling the same propaganda that the utilities are feeding them. These are the people too lazy to look this stuff up for themselves or refuse to believe that big business is just as bad as big government especially when they are working together.

    That is scary Sasja, and ridiculous. I suggest you call up the utility and ask when did you give them permission to control your thermostat? Ask them what document did you sign? It could be something as simple as a letter that says, ‘If you do not respond to this it will be considered acceptance of such and such or so and so.” Granted when they really start collecting info through the Smart Grid they will without a doubt need your permission, unless you unknowingly gave it already.

  • Galt

    If we are going to fight this Smart Grid garbage it has to be done now while it is not all in place. The blueprints of what they want to do are there and can be read by anyone willing to look. If we wait till it’s up and running then it will be too late.

  • Catherine

    Remember this law did not come from the Electric company but from their elected officials which in CA are leftist loons=democrats.

    well this is what you get for electing democrats.

    no buy or sell without the mark of the beast=democrats.

    Well there are still ways to get around it by the free market.


    Generac 20000 Watts (LP)/18000 Watts (NG) Standby Generator with Automatic Transfer Switch
    or bigger if you like.

    and for you freaks out in CA
    A pellet stove to keep you warm.


    you can hook up batt. to charge during the day to run things at night.

    for cooking use gas.

    I lived overseas and they had limits on how much electric could come in the house at one time why many don’t have dryers. And this country was not a third world country or so we were told.

    There is always a way.

    I did notice that some (democrat goons) will be able to opt out just as some where not on the same plan where I lived overseas.

    Shame on those who voted for this and those who voted for them.

    Just a thinking Hobbit.

  • kato

    Here’s a suggestion for saving energy: Quit supplying free gas and electricity to the usual societal parasites. While most of us try to minimize our energy usage, the parasite sets the temperature at 80 in winter and 60 in summer because he isn’t going to pay for it anyway.

  • Katie

    What a coincidence – look what was featured on local “news” last night (SARC!)

    A new ‘smart’ thermostat that can be controlled via the internet. Only costs about $250 – what a deal!!! Three years ago I would have thought this was cool. Now I understand how creepy it’s purpose is.


  • chuck in st paul

    Xcel Energy here in Teh Peoples Republic of Minnesota has been trying for years to get us all to switch to the new meters and whatever other interfaces they can fob off on us. They actually state that they will cut your heat/air con during ‘high peak demand’ times and then this will save you money.

    All this BS is so that they can raise rates and make more money on the installed plant they currently have instead of building additional supply – RATIONING. It’s just another facet of King Putt’s war against the supply of energy in this country. The utilities go along with it because they can double their ROI without having to do much at the plants, just install remote controls on YOUR stuff.

    No effing thanks!

  • chuck in st paul

    #98 kato commented –
    I say if they cannot afford heat then they should move to a warmer climate. I hear Mexico has some nice places. I’ll chip in for the bus ticket.

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  • Galt

    Remember when Obama said we can’t drive our SUVs or have our Thermostats set at 72 degrees? He was talking about EVs and the Smart Grid:


  • Molon Labe


    What a load! These meters are designed for one puirpose only. There would be no problem if it weren’t for the remote controls. Now why would they include this capability if not to use it?

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  • American-American

    If JHarp were twice as smart as he is now, he would still be stupid. Anderson Cooper is a tea bagger and not those who the pointless are trying to degrade havning no other substance. If one insists on ridicule, character assisination etc, they have no knowledge of the topic and are winging it. I think JHarping on conservatives is a paid shill. He should be fired if so as he is not doing a good job at all. Ridicule. I was ridiculed, now I am a conservative and I know ridicule and it’s intent like the back of my hand. Poor JHarp.

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  • #98…so true. in the projects if the heat was too much in the winter, just open the windows. nobody would ever think to shut off the radiators.

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  • From what I understand, this all came to be from the 2009 stimulus money. –So the power companies are doing it, to get their hands on the government money. And clearly the people in government who are behind this, did this for one reason only. –This is an invasion of privacy, by the government.

  • Mr. Widemouth

    Smart Meters – something to be afraid of? http://www.squidoo.com/beware-of-smart-meters

  • Awhile back, BGE here in MD, had a program to install remote switches on our heat pumps and would credit us some $$ during a portion of the summer and winter so they could control our cooling & heating. Notice with smart meters, perhaps this may go away.

    But more striking, some years back during a particularly nasty winter – BGE actually switched off power in certain regions of the state – rolling blackouts – not brownouts. Who’s to say this won’t happen again?

    What’s more, we pay our bills for uninterrupted power service – up until now with the introduction of this smart meter technology. I haven’t heard anyone talk about that little tidbit.

  • “barium betty”

    The idea behind the smart meters is the smart grid. The idea behind the smart grid is to control power usage (never mind the really biiiig industrial users..). The idea behind controlling our power usage is to come up with a NEW ECONOMIC SYSTEM, based on units of energy used. Go read about this at solari.com, Catherine Austin Fitts’ website (she was an Ass’t. Sec’y of HUD under Daddy Bush)… ever hear about carbon taxation?

  • “barium betty”

    “They” have used Their petroleum-guzzling machines with impunity, allowing Big Corporations to design SUVs, then buy them to drive their kids everywhere. They have huge carbon footprints, flying everywhere over the planet (jets and their contrails produce plenty of greenhouse gasses). Imagine what the carbon footprints of our elected representatives must look like, what with all that time Obama spends in the air. And now he’s going to tell us we need to curb our usage. Well, true, so start setting the example, Obama and everyone else in Congress. How about making it really possible for everyone to get good insulation, whose house, other dwelling place, or places of business are in buildings lacking insulation? That goes far. So does replacing old leaky doors and windows, especially the cheap old single paned glass ones, with new, tight, energy efficient, double-paned windows. I am amazed at how many people live in houses with cheap old leaky single-paned windows with cheap leaky frames, letting in all kinds of either cold air in winter or hot air in summer, and no insulation. Their heating systems run for hours and hours on end, costing hundreds of dollars per month. It never occurs to them to think about this.