That Was Bold… Newt Gingrich Pushes Amnesty Plan at CNN GOP Debate (Video)

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich took a bold turn during the CNN GOP National Security Debate tonight and pushed amnesty for illegal immigrants who have lived in the country for several years.

Here is the exchange, via CNN transcripts:

WOLF BLITZER, DEBATE MODERATOR AND CNN LEAD POLITICAL ANCHOR: Speaker Gingrich, let me let you broaden out this conversation. Back in the ’80s — and you remember this well. I was covering you then. Ronald Reagan and you — you voted for legislation that had a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, as you well remember. There were, what, maybe 12 million, 10 million — 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States right now.

Some called it amnesty then; they still call it amnesty now. What would you do if you were President of the United States, with these millions of illegal immigrants, many of whom have been in this country for a long time?

FORMER REP. NEWT GINGRICH, R-GA., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let me start and just say I think that we ought to have an H-1 visa that goes with every graduate degree in math, science and engineering so that people stay here.


GINGRICH: You know, about five blocks down the street, you’ll see a statue of Einstein. Einstein came here as an immigrant. So let’s be clear how much the United States has drawn upon the world to be richer, better and more inclusive.

I did vote for the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. Ronald Reagan, in his diary, says he signed it — and we were supposed to have 300,000 people get amnesty. There were 3 million. But he signed it because we were going to get two things in return. We were going to get control of the border and we were going to get a guest worker program with employer enforcement.

We got neither. So I think you’ve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border, as the governor said. I believe ultimately you have to find some system — once you’ve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here. If you’re here — if you’ve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home. period. If you’ve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, you’ve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I don’t think we’re going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.

The Creeble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you don’t get a pass to citizenship. And so there’s a way to ultimately end up with a country where there’s no more illegality, but you haven’t automatically given amnesty to anyone.

More… Newt is prepared to take the heat with talk of amnesty.

Update: Here is Newt’s immigration plan:

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  • jmar

    He just lost one vote

  • Newt is really sharp, he made alot of sense and is not pushing amnesty. Lets be honest here.

  • dmandman

    All Newt said was he just did not want to pack some US citizen’s Mamacita or Papacita into a cattle car to be dumped south of the border. He specifically said if they were recent and had no US Citizens as descendants to take responsibility…they were gone.

  • Reno_Dave

    Not “several years”, but many years. He was talking about a situation where you had someone who had been here since shortly after the 1986 amnesty (20 – 25 years) and who had children, and possibly grandchildren born in the U.S.

    You might be looking at someone in his or her late 40s who had an extended family of legal U.S. citizens. You would be sending Grandma or Grandpa back to Mexico, leaving the rest of the family here, because they were all legal.

    That strikes me as a very small subset of the illegal immigrant population.

    OTOH, I would have no problem sending back a young illegal alien couple, even if their 2-year-old was born in the U.S. Plenty of legal immigrants have returned to their home countries over the years, taking their U.S. born kids with them. The kids can decide on their own to return when they’re adults.

  • Ecosse

    many are tossing around the “amnesty” term rather loosely. amnesty is when someone who has committed a crime is absolved of guilt. what i take gingrich as advocating is more of a pardon, provided you have contributed to the country, and are not a threat to the country. the distinction is important.

    i am favorable to this only IF the borders are truly secure and the existing immigration laws are improved and enforced. current laws are not only lax but are truly schizophrenic in nature.

  • Kermit

    Yeah! I am a career criminal. Thank you Newt for the big grab-bag of goodies…

    All Newt said was he just did not want to pack some US citizen’s Mamacita or Papacita into a cattle car to be dumped south of the border.

    No, they should be put into prison camps to work hard labor year-for-year. But I would give them amnesty – get out before you get picked up.

    20% of Americans have no jobs, including many near and dear to me.

    Bye-Bye Newt.

  • Sisenor

    Yaaay for anchor babies! There’s nothing special about being an American anyway, right Newt?

  • Reno_Dave

    And BTW, he was talking about issuing “Red Cards” to those long-term, extended family illegals. The cards would allow them to legally stay, but they could not become citizens, as could someone with a “Green Card”.

    He would also like to see a guest worker program. I don’t have a problem with that, as long as it’s only for seasonal work, and the workers return to their home countries.

  • henrick

    And watch him drop in the polls. His idea isn’t realistic. The standard for proving those “living in the shadows” had been doing so for 25 years, or whatever period, would be a joke. Suddenly there’d be 12 million+ illegals claiming they’ve been here that long, backed up by the expected witness affidavits and various phony records. Try to prove someone who uses half a dozen different names is lying about their whereabouts for the past two decades.

  • bg
  • Reno_Dave

    I don’t think he was talking about anchor babies, but anchor adult children, who also have their own children.

  • Sarge

    Bottom line, I think Newt just took a chunk of the Hispanic block that would have gone to Obama.

  • Kermit

    He would also like to see a guest worker program. I don’t have a problem with that, as long as it’s only for seasonal work, and the workers return to their home countries.

    Not new. That visa already exists.


    Adios, Newt! Vaya a Mexico!

  • Freddy

    Newt said NOTHING that he has not stated in previous debates.

    I wonder why Hoft put such a slanted headline on this post?

  • Mad Hatter

    Watch the video from the 1:30 mark on forward, and listen carefully.

  • ironbill

    Okay Santorum, it’s your turn.

  • Reno_Dave

    “Not new. That visa already exists.”

    I’m talking about something like the old Bracero program, that ran from 1942 to 1964, which limited the number of workers per year, and provided a structure:

  • ChillytheAlaskan

    He is now last on my list, behind Huntsman. Romney sounds much better than Gingrich, and doesn’t have all the baggage. Funny thing too, I trust Romney more.

  • jony101

    scratch another candidate off the list. Deport them all, or let everyone in. The way this country is going it will be a muslim country just like obama said it was.

  • Michigan State Fan Brad

    He did not push for amnesty. He called for a employment check to legally work in the USA. We need citizenship checks to work in the United States and if a illegal doesn’t have a visa to work seasonally, i.e., farms, or a H1 skilled visa, then they don’t get to work in the USA. What did he say of some after every conservative enforcement mechanism is in place … some of them can become legal (those without criminal records who have been here 25 years, moral people who contribute to their community) they can become legal but not have a pathway to citizenship. Newt is saying he won’t reward with citizenship or give a vote to anyone who broke our immigration laws and that’s a good g0d [email protected] plan in my opinion. Anyone who broke our laws shouldn’t have a pathway to citizenship and that’s the Gingrich plan as described by him in this debate.

  • Reno_Dave

    I was wrong about the Red Cards. Gingrich mentioned the Krieble Foundation. I looked at their site, and the “Red Card Solution” is their suggestion for running a guest worker program, and not a way of dealing with illegals who had been in the U.S. for 20 – 25 years:

  • Rose

    Oh, how can I tell you all, for the 50 millionth time – how shocked – just SHOCKED that I am to find the NEWT pushing his Liberal Marxist Agenda, AGAIN! [SO NOT!]

    Listening to him laugh the most contented and enjoyable belly laughs FOR ONLY 45 MINUTES OF AIR TIME on the Hannity and Colmes Show – 45 FULL AIR TIME MINUTES, IN FAVOR of the “PRAGMATIC NECESSITY” of McCain Kennedy SHAMNESTY needing to be passed, and laughing hilariously at the VERY IDEA of Southern Border security.

    Sean was so distressed that his favorite Presidential Candidate was destroying his chances, and Alan SKULLHEAD Colmes BEFORE Monica’s sister got him cleaned up for the big wedding – sitting there so bewildered, smiling the silliest smile, DELIGHTED to have THE GREAT NEWT agreeing with HIM THE SKULLHEAD for once in his miserable and stupid commie life – ANTICIPATING the BIG JOKE to be revealed and find himself suckerpunched worse than Charlie Brown, once again the BUTT of Conservative jokes…

    BUT IT NEVER CAME – Newt was serious, and contented, and amused, and relaxed and sooooooooooo enjoying Sean’s discomforture. Just kept telling Sean to get over himself and face FACTS! Telling Sean to jump on the SHAMNESTY BANDWAGOIN because it was gonna happen!


  • Jayne on the Left Coast

    If what Newt said works like securing the border and having illegals go before a board etc, I have no problem. I live in SO.CA tired of the garbage coming to the USA, it’s time we filter the bad seeds.

  • Rose

    #18 November 22, 2011 at 9:49 pm
    Reno_Dave commented

    I’m from Texas – trust me – the Govt has pushed the situation, the ABUSE of Citizens, way too far for that NOW!

    Clean and SCRUB CLEAN! THEN talk about How to make sure THAT ONLY THOSE WHO CO
    ME IN THE DOOR have Eligibility IN THEIR LIFETIMES for Citizenship!

    Nothing LESS! Get rid of ALL the Gangrene FIRST!

  • its amnesty no matter how he tries to fudge it. these people are not immigrants they are colonizers brought here by the likes of howard dean to take the country away from the american people. we have record unemployment and all the politicans can think about is bringing more people here supposedly to do the jobs that americans can’t find. colonization of the united states was one of the things that reagen was alseep on. the amnesty then didn’t stop the colonization, it only led to even more colonists being brought here. this amnesty will only do more of the same, even more colonists will be brought here not only central and south americans but muslims from the middle east and northern africa. howard dean and the left love the muslims. i didn’t like gingrich before, i like him less now.

    remember he didn’t keep his word in 1994 and he won’t keep it this time either.

  • DaMav

    Amnesty? Who’s the Establishment candidate again? If Gingrich is pushing Amnesty we may as well have Romney. But Cain beats ’em all. He may not be much on the details (like a lot of good CEOs), but he isn’t going to start pushing Amnesty on us… again.

  • Agree with Newt about not deporting those that have settled here and have family, property, let them stay, but deport the new illegals. Cannot have citizenship. They have violated the law.
    Need to enforce the laws for the employers who hire them.
    Stop the influx as soon as possible.
    Deporting should not be a procedure other than put them in a bus and let them out across the border where the fence/ wall is in place.
    Clean out our prisons, just send them back to Mexico when our border is secure.
    Our prisons here in California have about 30% Mexican population.

  • Uncle Monkey

    He hasn’t changed a thing. If you hear him talk about Global Warming, he’ll only say he’s not in favor of Cap & Trade. But he wants to keep any contingencies in his back pocket.

    That’s the problem.

    I want him to lie to me.
    Sad that Mitt has a stronger stance. (!?)
    Every single one of these guys has some issue that breaks my heart.

  • Cee2

    Do people not understand that THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF SCIENTISTS, MATHEMATICIANS AND ENGINEERS – just ones that don’t want to work for minimum wage after all their training. Fewer than 1/2 of those with that training are practicing in the area even just a few years of graduation – often NOT by choice but because they have been displaced by these so called wonderkids on H-1B. Hang around the immigration forums and find out what is really going on. with the fraudulent documents, lies to immigration, and questionable educational credentials.

    When your child with a PhD is displaced by a dishonest, perhaps treasonous, Chinese grad student, maybe you will start to understand.

  • Patty

    I like what many had to say. A few great remarks and some so, so. But one thing I found was the word “ultimately” and just how much Newt uses it.

    All I can say is, Illegals should know better. Maybe it is many reasons but initially one thing stands out. ILLEGALS, DOESN’T THAT ONE MEAN ANYTHING TO THEM?

    You come into America and you wish to stay, great but for 25 years and you still haven’t applied for citizenship. Sorry, apply already.

  • MrGoodWench

    Someone help me understand this .
    According to Newt:
    If you’ve been here 25 years
    i e if you are an illegal who came in to USA, AFTER the big Reagan amnesty

    and you got three kids and two grandkids,
    if you bred anchor babies as an illegal ,who have bred furthur themselves , all of whom are mealtickets actually

    you’ve been paying taxes
    which can’t be proved because illegals steal IDs and SS# and use those , or TINs to GET REFUNDS FROM IRS, not to PAY any taxes

    and obeying the law,
    and which law would that be exactly ? SS fraud, stealing ID, driving with fake DL, impersonating , forgery , frauds ????

    you belong to a local church,
    that would be a social justice church , right ? BTW what does belonging to a church have to do with illegal immigration ? Illegals have relations to churches to get free food, free toys, free gang ” counseling” , connections to buy SS# and IDs , and to hide from ICE and cops

    I don’t think we’re going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.
    i e you can continue to be on welfare and mooch off the taxpayers , because the next generation you bred for freebies will anchor you to suck off USA

    Did I get that right Newt ?
    You DO think that people are stupid , don’t you ?

  • donh

    Perfect leader of the stupid evil party…stumble into the front position by a default …repeat epic fail of prior front runner by pushing the same exact immigration policy, and follow Rick Perry back down to 8%. Let this be a warning Tax increases will be Newt’s first order of business if elected. Newt is an ideological cross dresser wearing legs panty hose under his suit. Play Newt’s favorite ring tone in a crowded room, and every 50 year old fag will start wiggling his butt. ….>>>

  • bg


    i have the solution..

    tell OWS they can squat along the
    Mexico/US borderland forever and
    a day.. 😀


  • Uncle Monkey

    Oops, forgot to mention that this “25 year thing” is a loophole big enough to lasso Saturn.

    How do you enforce something where everybody is related to somebody who’s been here for “X” years? How do you know? You don’t. Talk about some massive new bureaucracy to not figure it out.

    And WHY is it 11 million? now?
    At least last election it was 12 million as it was the previous 4.
    Nobody can say the real number. Nobody.

  • Little Orenthal

    I love elitist politicians bring up amnesty or whatever they wish to call it these days. They don’t live on a border state. Try living in CA, then telling us all how great it is to invite more poor people up here.

    In CA we are OVERRUN. Unemployment for men is about 25% (for citizens).. day laborers who are illegal can get a job easier than a citizen. I am sick and damn tired of hearing about this. BTW, when we were discussing amnesty 10 years ago after 9/11, the number of ‘estimated’ illegals was 10-12 million.. in 10 years it hasn’t changed, huh? even though the numbers are 150,000 per month coming across? ha this county is so messed up.

    How DARE you newt for even bringing this up. How about you live among us here in SoCal for a month?

    PS – our famously congested freeways are like this because of illegals, too. A few years ago, there was a protest called ‘a day without a mexican’, and the freeways were WIDE OPEN. No traffic. Citizens could travel to work in normal time. Needless to say the protest backfired.. It was more like, thank god! our city functions like its supposed too! Next day of course, I was lucky to get home in 2 hours. 2 hours one way.

    Get out of your ivory tower newt and come live in SoCal with a commute like the rest of us ‘unwashed folk’ and see what its like. You wouldn’t mention amnesty again in all your life

  • Speaking Clearly

    First: Glenn Beck’s prediction that Obama will be reelected in 2012 is wrong. while I like Glenn, and think he is a treasure to the conservative community, Glenn is just a mortal man, and while right most of the time, he is not always right. Obama will be voted out in 2012, and our next President will not be able to fix our problems in one term. Far from it.

    You can’t blame Glenn so much, when he has been fed inside information of doom, from some of the best teams of experts around. Another George Washington is not going to appear, but Obama will be voted out in 2912, and the next President will not be able to fix our problems in their first term. It will just be a beginning.

    Second: If Rino Romney is cold to the Tea Party now, when he needs their support to get the nomination…how fast do you think he will run to the left, if he is elected President?

    Third: I dont believe Newt Gingrich is for Blanket Amnesty. He is letting the hispanic community, and the rest of us know, that not everyone will be deported. Many will, but you can’t realistically deport everyone.

    At some point in time, the next conservative President is going to have to:

    – Literally secure the borders.
    – Outlaw the Anchor Baby provision.
    – Make English the official language of the United States.
    – Demand assimilation of immigrants to the American way.
    – No Sharia Law period. Eliminate all taxpayer funds going to anything related to “culture” other than American culture. Stop city, state, and federal money mandating cultural sensitivity and identity training and courses.
    – Deport all illegal immigrants hanging out at Home Depots, and all the favorite hangout spots in our American cities.
    – Get the UN off American soil. You cannot be citizens of the world, and citizens of the United States at the same time.
    – Too many points to list…besides…a good leader should know this stuff already.

    Our diverse nation is allowed to have nationalistic pride, without the fear of political correctness labeling us as racist, or isolationalist.

    If we don’t start having nationalistic pride soon, then Glenn Beck will be right…and the freedom of the United States is doomed.

  • bg


    donh #34 November 22, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    hmm hmm hmm

    go figure..


  • henrick

    Call it the “Uncle Omar law”. Enter the country illegally, avoid deportation for twenty years, and your illegal entry, stay, and sucking off system is forgiven. (Just join a church real quick to seal the deal).

  • bg


    henrick #40 November 22, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    oh yeah, well what about Auntie Zeituni??

    gee, can’t imagine who’s in the WH basement.. /s/


  • Patty










    A JOB,


  • Patty

    Yet Newt feels Americans can’t be so cold as to not allow this family their due.

    Get legal already, this family has literally slapped every American in the face. We live by the laws and they should have a long time ago.

  • Patty

    We can no longer feed the bleeding hearts. We haven’t a choice but to immediately put an end to those who are breaking our laws. We must obey the law. Yet, to think others cross our borders and live here breaking a major law day in and day out.

    The money this has cost our nation is staggering. Economy is horrible and America needs jobs. And then Newt pulls out this little diddy from his back pocket. I just can comprehend the whole thing. Illegals have to realize especially this family they could be sent home at anytime.

    Again, a slap in our face.

  • onbe

    Newt is a much bigger thinker then the rest of them.Take any topic he plans a strategy with objectives and goal. Which is a strong point for a leader. Tonight’s debate shored up my opinion of the guy.

  • MrGoodWench

    Illegals come to this country , and they do fine even though they have never known any country but their native country, before coming here.
    they can’t go back because their kids have not known any other country but this one ?

  • onbe

    #42 November 22, 2011 at 11:03 pm
    Patty commented:









    This is one of the reasons why I am glad to be an American.

  • midusdew

    Nute you FI windbag. What does the law say about immigration. Enforce the law stupid

  • Patty

    #46 November 22, 2011 at 11:12 pm
    MrGoodWench commented:

    Oh, geesh! I am a very sincere person and I do care. But they can cry a river. We cannot afford them being here unless they become a citizen in short order. I realize government is slow to process these things but 25 years. That is the fault of these illegals and they need to go.

    They are breaking the law. I don’t so why are they?

  • Girlyman

    Newt. How can such a smart motherfuxxxr bu such a stupid motherfuxxxr??? He lost another gringo vote but gained another illegal vote. Go figure??

  • bg


    November 22, 2011

    When Will the Media Do an Anal Exam of
    Obama Like They Do of Every Republican?

    [This is all stuff we find out on our own. Why did Obama exempt them? Why did Obama exempt Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and expose the taxpayers to tens of billions more in subsidies to keep them going? Which is the cause of greater concern here? And now Herman Cain. Herman Cain is said to be too dumb to be president because of his foreign policy statements, or because of a pause in answering a question about Libya. Or he’s too dumb because of his lack of experience. All right, fine. Can somebody tell me in one or two sentences what Obama’s foreign policy doctrine is? I’m serious. Can anybody call this program at 800-282-2882 and tell me what Obama’s foreign policy is? What is the guiding principle of Obama’s foreign policy? What are our nation’s objectives in Obama’s foreign policy? Does anybody have the slightest clue?

    Why, then, is there this broad assumption that Obama is Mr. Mensa? Is Mr. Brilliant when it comes to foreign policy? We’re losing the Middle East under his watch. The Middle East is being transformed, being led by the Muslim Brotherhood or a military combination of the two. And the target of the reforms in the Middle East is our one ally, Israel. But yet we got a smart guy in the White House, sharp crease in his pants, very smart guy, nobody’s got the guts to debate this guy, he’s just too smart. How do we know this? Everything about Obama is an assumption. Our economy, our domestic economy is suffering in part because of the unpredictability of the Obama regime, both domestically and in the area of foreign policy. Our foreign policy suffers from the unpredictability of the Obama regime.]



  • Patty

    So, let’s become the wild wild west. Anyone can do anything. This is a lawless nation. We have so many laws but the primary ones are slowly disappearing because of the bleeding hearts.

  • Derak

    “you’ve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I don’t think we’re going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.”

    Which church, Newt? Gotta lotta mosques that ain’t too keen on the constitution.

  • onbe

    Newt is not advocating breaking the law. His plan is quite detailed.

  • maraz

    Newt uses the analogy of Einstein… but wouldn’t Einstein have come here as a LEGAL immigrant? Or did they have a lot of illegals back then too… Einstein being one of them?

  • Patty


    They hurt Palin, She never felt a thing or did she. She should have entered the race. And I feel it had something to do with her family, not her.

    Shameful to be dissected and every one is a reason to bounce. If your particular favorite isn’t just every thing then some how they are battered like yesterday’s fried chicken.

    But the one, he was never investigate because it was all covered up. He being black was a plus for the democratic party so, you said something your were a racist and still are to this day.

    Shameful and I hear what you are saying.

  • onbe

    Newt pledges to have 100% control of the border by January 1, 2014.

  • Patty


    I am well aware he is NOT. But media will have a field day.

  • bg
  • Patty


    Comment on my comment 😆

    Breaking the law has be evident in tent cities. That is undoubtedly the worse of the worse.

    Not saying we should kick out anyone but THEY ARE HERE AND THEY NEED TO BE LEGAL.

    25 years people, they are living on borrowed time. They pay taxes fine, they should but GET LEGAL. Gee!

  • StrangernFiction

    And Mittens didn’t answer the question.

  • MrGoodWench

    #49 Patty
    What we saw today is the mask come off Gingrich .
    Perry and Romney have been unmasked earlier and I don’t really care for Paul.
    The way Gingrich went about his solution, specially the part about “25 years” and ” church”,
    made me suspicious about his true intents since illegal immigration is not only a financial and economic and law and order but a national security problem.
    And he is somehow trying to separate illegal immigration problem from national security .

  • Patty

    #59 November 22, 2011 at 11:28 pm
    bg commented:
    not to insult you. Obama thinks the moon is green. So what else is new. Seriously, Obama is collapsing this nation.

  • onbe


    I am sure the (media) for what that is worth will have a field day with it. However they will have a field day anyhow.It doesn’t matter what a Republican candidate says as long as they have an (R) behind their name they will become cannon fodder.I think newt not only survive the attacks but will be able to hand out a good beat down as well.

  • maraz

    Again… I’ll refer to my earlier questions… can someone tell me if Newt’s analogy of Einstein is valid?

    Something tells me Einstein came here as Legally… Or did they have a lot of illegals back then too… Einstein being one of them?

  • maraz

    grammatical typo… remove ***as*** before “Legally”

  • Patty

    #62 November 22, 2011 at 11:33 pm
    MrGoodWench commented


    Yes, this was a debate on National Security. And for this family…We are forgetting something important. 10 years Muslims planned their attack on WTC. We have a tough time trusting each other let alone illegals.

  • Patty

    #64 November 22, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    onbe commented:
    Have no preference on any of these candidates. But one thing for sure. NEWT WOULD BLOW THE ROOF OFF THE JOINT IN A DEBATE WITH BO.

  • bg


    re: #51 November 22, 2011 at 11:18 pm bg

    Muslim Brotherhood

    [For example, the Tehran-born Dr. Vali Nasr was appointed to co-direct Obama foreign policy toward Afghanistan and Pakistan. Former Saudi Arabian supplicant Charles Freeman was appointed by Obama to chair the Administration’s National Intelligence Council, but withdrew his name when it was revealed he issued a 2-page screed in which he postulated a conspiracy theory claiming he had been ‘victimized’ by American supporters of Israel. In addition, John Limbert was appointed to direct U.S. policy toward the Islamist regime in Iran. Limbert, who was taken hostage during the Iranian upheaval of the late 70s-early 80s, is an Iranian sympathizer who advocates negotiation with one of the most brutal dictatorships in the world.]

    Tarek Fatah

    he worked & campaigned for Obama..

    more here & here & here (scroll threads & connecting links for more)..


  • MrGoodWench

    maraz commented:
    Again… I’ll refer to my earlier questions… can someone tell me if Newt’s analogy of Einstein is valid?
    So you don’t know about all those computer programers, rocket scientists, biochemists, geneticists, nuclear physicists etc hiding in trunks of cars and being smuggled by cayotes in to USA from mehico to run our academic and research institutions ? I’m sure there is a website listing all the Nobel Prizes they have been winning over the years 😛

  • bg


    Patty #63 November 22, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    oh i know, i’ve been saying & posting proof of that
    since the first time ever i heard the name Obama!!


  • Patty

    Middle America has felt the raft of Obama. We have seen him now do his work on America. The unions are working diligently to make sure Obama has a second term.

    But with all this, there are two candidates, whom will remain nameless who could beat Obama. But the Democratic Machine is quite set on not seeing that happen. The media tomorrow already has its handy work ready to complete their marching orders by Obama and his staff.

    If we win this, I will have one big celebration and it may last for days.

    We can only pray, because another 4 years and America is done.

  • onbe

    #65 November 22, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    maraz commented:

    Again… I’ll refer to my earlier questions… can someone tell me if Newt’s analogy of Einstein is valid?

    Something tells me Einstein came here as Legally… Or did they have a lot of illegals back then too… Einstein being one of them?

    he emigrated here in 1933 and became an American citizen in 1940.

  • Patty

    #71 November 22, 2011 at 11:44 pm
    bg commented:

    🙂 so have I, bg. no truer words have been spoken.

  • pjean

    What was the reaction when Reagan pushed for amnesty? Was he demonized? Seal the borders first, then talk about how to address the situaltion with law-abiding, yet longterm illegals. If he is willing to keep their promises, Newt’s plan may actually work. Reagan’s plan was never entirely fulfilled, so we will never know if it was a good idea or not. It is not amnesty, but rather amnesty with conditions.

  • onbe

    #68 November 22, 2011 at 11:40 pm
    Patty commented:

    #64 November 22, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    onbe commented:
    Have no preference on any of these candidates. But one thing for sure. NEWT WOULD BLOW THE ROOF OFF THE JOINT IN A DEBATE WITH BO.

    You sure got that right.I am not a betting man however I would bet that bo would not debate him.

  • StrangernFiction

    So is Bachmann the next non-Romney candidate? LMAO!

  • bg


    hey there maraz..

    here you go..

    [He was visiting the United States when Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, and did not go back to Germany, where he had been a professor at the Berlin Academy of Sciences. He settled in the U.S., becoming a citizen in 1940.]

    [standard disclaimer: source Wikipedia]


  • Patty

    Apparently, China IS our biggest worry. Who know. Sarcasm

    Remember that ad. China professor teaching the students and laughing at America.

  • bigL

    We already have over a million new citizens naturalized. THAT is too many. That is the “Front Door”. And of that number: 111,000 mexicans were naturalized in ’09 the last nrs available. So there are reg mexicans coming in the front door and spending 5 yrs to be a citizen.
    Unfortunately no one will call a spade, a spade. The illegals are parasites. they are sucking the host dry. They ae killing the host.
    And the donks want to see the amnesty as numbers only. they don’t care about the Mexicans as individuals, as persons. No, they want the totals of how many “new citizens”are in each precinct. There will be away to figure it out, a new id card issued for example. then that will be the amount of the phony voting. Once we have amnesty there will never be another free election.

  • Marsh626

    Well, there goes my support for Gingrich.

    He displayed a total lack of understanding when it comes to this issue.

    Illegal immigrants murdered my best friend; they ruined the area where I went to school; they ruined a neighboring city; and are ruining my current area.

    Comparing these 3rd world illegal immigrant dregs to Einstein is absurd.

    Can we please get a REAL conservative to represent us for once? Someone who will uphold the law and protect our citizens and our communities from foreign invaders? Is that really too much to ask?

  • Patty

    #76 November 22, 2011 at 11:49 pm
    onbe commented:

    That is funny. because I was thinking that Obama will decline debates. Executive Powers. 😆

  • bg


    onbe #73 November 22, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    oops, was preparing my post, ergo
    didn’t see yours, but no biggie.. 😉


  • Patty

    Why is it one drops and then another drops, not saying Newt will but he made a real mess for himself and here comes the explanation. Not as bad as Perry the next day on every talk show, but still. This is getting monotonous

  • Dan

    Is this the same Newt that was kicked out of congress?
    sex scandals oh wait but he is running for President no congress. Have all Americans taken the dumb pill????

  • Patty

    #75 November 22, 2011 at 11:49 pm
    pjean commented:

    Well, Newt does love his Reagan. I do. Possible but these debates get America talking.

  • onbe

    #82 November 22, 2011 at 11:53 pm
    Patty commented:

    #76 November 22, 2011 at 11:49 pm
    onbe commented:

    That is funny. because I was thinking that Obama will decline debates. Executive Powers.

    Good one LOL

  • onbe

    #83 November 22, 2011 at 11:54 pm
    bg commented:

    Sorry- I just ran across the post and answered it.

  • Patty

    #85 November 22, 2011 at 11:57 pm
    Dan commented:

    Is this the same Newt that was kicked out of congress?
    sex scandals oh wait but he is running for President no congress. Have all Americans taken the dumb pill????
    Not really, but the choices we are all up there on stage. At least he wasn’t a friend to a terrorist or has completely destroy this nation bit by bit. I can look the other should Newt be my choice, because God only knows, Obama needs to go back to where ever he came from.

  • Patty

    another thing Pelosi should have been kick out a long time ago. Oh, yes she is democrat.

  • Redlite

    Read my lips- NO MORE ILLEGALS!
    Illegal immagration and our monetary support of them will destroy the country. It is time to throw them all out. If they want to come here then they should go thru the proper chanels.

  • Patty

    goodnight. just needed to say that.

  • bg



    pertinent aspects via Rush, ones that i not only agree with, but being a
    con radio listener, others, surprisingly, seem to agree with as as well..

    The Electability Trap

    Have Reagan and El Rushbo Set the Bar
    Too High for Conservative Candidates?

    however, the bottom line is, it’s just his opinion & my opinion of his
    opinion, doesn’t mean it has to be yours, so take it or leave it.. 🙂


  • SilentNoMore

    Let’s stop ignoring the obvious, shall we?

    Whites are estimated to become a racial minority in America in less than 20 years.

    White children are already a racial minority in many of our major cities.

    Non-White hispanics are projected to become the new ethnic majority in this country by no later than 2050 according to official U.S. government estimates (which means it will probably happen much sooner).

    Uh, what?

    How the hell did that happen?

    This has always been a White majority country from its founding.

    Now we’re going to become racial minorities in our lifetimes?

    Can you imagine that happening in any other country like the UK or France? People would find the idea totally absurd. Yet it’s happening to us right here in America before our very eyes!

    And nobody is doing a single thing to stop it?

    Nobody is even daring to TALK about it?

    Sorry, call me a racist all you want, but I’m not just going to sit here and remain silent out of politically correctness and lose my country to a bunch of illegal immigrants.

    It’s time for the Republican Party to start reprsenting the concerns of White people more.

    Afterall, we are their largest demographic, correct?

    Well, they sure as heck don’t act like it.

    To me it seems like they’re more interested in not offending the liberal media and trying to win hispanic votes.

    And we’re going to lose our nation because of it…

    And no, we don’t have to turn into Nazis. But for God sakes, STOP THE MASS IMMIGRATION.

  • I will never support a candidate who votes for amnesty. If I had known Reagan would do that, I would have had second thoughts about him, too. Because of Reagan’s amnesty California turned from a swing state into a solid liberal state, and Colorado turned from a conservative state into a swing state. Another amnesty would put conservatives under. And they KNOW that! What the HECK is Newt thinking!

  • MrGoodWench

    The Creeble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you don’t get a pass to citizenship.
    So illegals can
    –get a red card with NO expiration date
    –get to keep their taxpayer funded freebies
    –get to collect refund checks from IRS
    –get to vote
    –get to be ignorant about our country and the Constitution since there is no citizenship exam
    So how exactly does the country benefit AND THE DOWNSIDE FOR ILLEGALS IS WHAT EXACTLY ?

  • bg


    onbe #88 November 23, 2011 at 12:01 am

    and you answered it very well..

    there’s also absolutely nothing to be sorry for.. 🙂


  • bg


    #95 November 23, 2011 at 12:24 am
    [email protected]

    re: [What the HECK is Newt thinking!]

    don’t rightly know, but if i had to guess it would be..

    gotta stop Cain, gotta stop Cain, gotta stop Cain..


  • bg



    November 21, 2011

    the dumb rocket scientist /s/

    video link @ link..


  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    So I think you’ve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with…

    Bzzzzt!!!! Wrong answer, try again.

  • onbe

    #96 November 23, 2011 at 12:32 am
    MrGoodWench commented:

    The Creeble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you don’t get a pass to citizenship.
    So illegals can
    –get a red card with NO expiration date
    –get to keep their taxpayer funded freebies
    –get to collect refund checks from IRS
    –get to vote

    –get a red card with NO expiration date-No must have a job prior to coming into the United States.Must leave if the job terminates.

    –get to keep their taxpayer funded freebies-Nope.

    –get to collect refund checks from IRS-If they pay into taxes why should they be barred from any refunds they may have coming to them?

    –get to vote-Nope the Redcard is not a pathway to citizenship.

    –get to be ignorant about our country and the Constitution since there is no citizenship exam-They will never be citizens under the Redcard program.

    The country gets the benefit of non skilled and semi skilled workers And the downside to the workers is that it is not a pathway to being a citizen.

  • Mike Bell

    Newt is being smart politically. He’s trying to show some of you boneheads the way through this mess. His plan wouldn’t work and it’s a farce. Pay no attention to it. The GOP just needs to be loud and clear that they aren’t going to round up people, tear families apart, etc. Gee, is that so difficult? They important thing w/ immigration is to STOP ILLEGALS NOW – not worry so much about the 11 million already in the USA illegally. Get control of the border.

  • Ghost

    So… let me get this straight
    Newt believes in a Statute of Limitations for criminal invaders

    Newt believes that if a criminal invader lays low for x-number of years then we should just forget about the crime

    Newt believes that if a criminal invader is smart enough for long enough, then the rest of us must surrender to the smart criminal

    Newt does not believe that a sovreign nation is allowed to choose who its’ citizens will be, so, by extension is not allowed to protect its’ borders

    Newt expects the rest of us to ‘feeeeeeel’ for the poor criminal invader

    Newt expects the rest of us to accept all the good the criminal invader has done since committing the crime, like, I don’t know, getting right with the chosen adopted new nation that so graciously accepts their presence? In other words, besides attending church for 25 years, what else has the criminal invader done to get themselves straight?

    After all, if they’ve been here that long, then they must like their new country, right? So, what have they done to become legal?

    F-you, Newt. Once again, you prove you’re either NWO, or just plain undisciplined- either way, you’re untrustworthy.

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  • sturgis

    MrGoodWench, you are exactly correct. Keep going, you’re on a roll.

  • maraz

    Thanks to MrGoodWench #70 for your humorous response to my question. You made me laugh visualizing the image you painted with your words. Also thanks to onbe #73 and bg #78 for the info on Einstein’s citizenship history. Good to know if Newt’s going to continue using that analogy.

  • Bill Mitchell

    Huh, after reading this again, I don’t see what all the hubbub is about. Newt is NOT advocating amnesty here at all. He is advocating getting the people that are here registered, providing work visas to those that deserve them but NOT providing a shortcut to citizenship.

    I agree with this completely.

    Why are people saying this is a “pro-amnesty” position? This is a pro “lets-get-this-under-control” position. Be realistic people – you are not going to be able to deport 11 million people. So, since they are here, how can we deal with them to integrate them into society, stop the identity theft, stop the free flow across the border, stop the welfare state but NOT give them any shortcuts to citizenship?

    For those who shout, “but it’s illegal!”. Well, so is speeding and I don’t expect everyone here here whoever drove a mile over the speed limit to turn themselves into the authorities tomorrow.

  • Moreliberty

    Bold? It’s just the same establishment republican crap that came from Bush and McCain.

  • Bill Mitchell

    Illegal Immigration is a complex issue and difficult to solve. These people would not be here if there wasn’t demand for their services, services which I am sure most of us have taken advantage of either directly or indirectly over the years.

    Painting the issue with the black and white broad brush of “pro-amnesty” vs “anti-amnesty” is short sighted and idiotic. As with most things, the real answer lies somewhere in between that solves the negative problems of illegal immigration while accentuating the positive aspects of immigration.

  • Bill Mitchell


    What is YOUR solution to illegal immigration? Ship them all home and set up machine gun nests at the border to mow anyone down who tries to come back?

    Newt’s solution is to realize the problem exists, identify the negatives caused by the problem (identity theft, crime, welfare state) and solve those while accentuating the positives. While your apparent solution sounds great from a soapbox, it would NOT solve the problem, only make it worse.

  • bigL

    if you are areg american and you drive drunk ad kil and have big speakers in yr car turned up loud and not pay taxes etc, we get the authorities on our case. also we have to show ID and tell the plice minimal info. There is NO special order that prevents thast like the illegals have.
    Withcraw all freeebiesand alot will leave, prob over 50 %. Close the border ad the rest we can sort out. I think the border shoud be the New Panama Canal.

  • Fiftycal

    Newt is exactly right. TEMPORARY work visas for foreign labor. With NO CHANCE of citizenship without following the established procedure. THEN you ship out EVERY ONE that has no valid work permit. Having lived in Texas all my 60 years, there is NO WAY this country will survive without the foreign workers. It would be much easier to manage immigration IF we had a coherent policy. The “throw the bums out” approach HAS NOT WORKED! You put the work permit system into effect and prosecute EMPLOYERS that violate it and viola’, the remaining illegals will SELF DEPORT! Besides, right now Mexico has a LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT RATE than we do.

  • Gary

    there’s the Newt I know. How long til he bemoans this as “the dumbest thing I ever said”?

    For those who think he’s right to keep the ones here who have been here 20+ years and have families, and who buy his reasoning that we are “splitting families apart”:

    1. Are you saying the longer you get away with the crime, the less practical it is to punish you?
    2. We aren’t splitting their families apart with deportation. They are. Mexicans split their own families apart when they leave family behind to cross into the US. They also split their families apart when one gets deported and the others decide to stay here. That’s their own proactive choice.
    3. It isn’t our duty to keep families together. Nothing in the constitution about it. Anyway, families grow and separate. That’s natural. What adults are now living in the house with all their adult siblings, all the siblings’ kids, the parents, aunts, uncles, and so on? They don’t. Everybody goes their own way to start their own families.

    Newt is a pontificating a$$. All of you who confer on him the title of smartest guy in the room without challenging that notion are hopelessly snookered.
    What a buffoon.

  • Gary

    How do you rationalize 40 million Americans out of work and 15 million illegals working in the US?
    We can’t live without the illegals? I think we can’t live with them. If there were no illegals, and no liberal economy-crippling wage laws like the idiotic minimum wage, that would be 15 million Americans employed.
    Maybe you like people coming into the country illegally and getting paid an illegal wage and illegally evading taxes on the income and illegally using fake SS numbers to illegally obtain food stamps, WIC checks, and various other subsidies, emergency room healthcare that the rest of us pay for?
    How did America get through the industrial revolution without millions of Mexicans? How did we win World War II without Mexicans to do the tough soldiering jobs? I think we’d be just fine without them.
    Worth a shot anyway.

  • Ghost

    RE: #108 “Be realistic people – you are not going to be able to deport 11 million people.”

    well, I don’t know… Mexico did!

    thank you Jay Leno

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  • workingclass artist

    Amazing how many Newt apologists are on the net defending his immigration stance (to the left of Perry) after excoriating a border governor over a 10 year old In-state Tuition law that kept the state of Texas out of court & saved Texas taxpayers money.

    Gov. Perry’s idea for imposing a 21st. century version of the Monroe Doctrine is a good one that sends a clear signal to other countries using Mexico as a staging ground for infiltration & sends a clear signal to activist groups like LaRaza…with a focus on securing the border first.

    “The Monroe Doctrine is a policy of the United States introduced on December 2, 1823. It stated that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression requiring U.S. intervention…”

    It was a great policy answer that puts the horse before the cart.

    The issue of immigration enforcement is moot until the border is secure.

  • Rose

    #38 November 22, 2011 at 10:51 pm
    Speaking Clearly

    I live in Texas and I am hearing more and more Conservatives who think also that Obama has a good chance of winning DUE TO THE GOP DETERMINATION TO REPLACE HIM WITH A RINO LIBERAL DONKEY in a Rinoceros suit.

    Arguing about which of these blatant RINOS is “Most Conservative” is like debating which ship to take for next month’s Cruise – the Titanic or the Lusitania.
    Because they are obviously more comfortable than the Thresher (SSN-593).

  • CT

    WOW! Finally a candidate with the courage to take up the issue of illegal immigration and offer a realistic and thoughtful plan. More statesman like than any other candidate in either party. Way to go Newt truly a thinking man’s President.

  • Rose

    #116 November 23, 2011 at 7:21 am

    GREAT ONE! And notice, they got them to do it under their own steam, too!

    BTW, I heartily and seriously advocate Bounty Hunters, paid primarily with the ASSETS of the ILLEGAL ALIENS that they apprehend!
    And herd them to Mexico on foot, like a cattle drive, the way most of them came here.
    They won’t be anxious to return. Judges who rule in their favor can and will become part of the herd.

  • Gravelyvoice Jim

    Enforce the borders first.

    Throw out the recent illegal entrants

    Give some type of official status to those who have been peacefully working here with long-term families. (Maybe we can we trade the the “Occupy” riff-raff for these people?)

    Possibly a position Marco Rubio can embrace as his running mate?

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  • Noislamocommie

    We already gave an amnesty. Newt is always cutting deals with cheap labor addicts. If this occursAmericans are allowing a second Latin America to develop.This is very dangerous.All you have to do is stop the hiring,benefits,permits,utility contracts and Let them decide. Alabama knows how to do it.The mentality of these folks will destroy America.learned helplessness over Rule of Law is the order of the day. Do not do this to your progeny. Newt can kiss my a**.

  • owl

    Well, he stepped into it because he had no choice.

    #37….I understand you have a problem in CA. It will not solve itself the way you wish. So, what to do? We, of the 1200 miles, trying to protect ourselves, have managed better than you by remaining red. We spend our money on their health, education,etc while trying to protect that border with our moolas. Texas. We have been feeling slightly desperate for many years, also. Our government will not allow what most of you advocate. It ain’t going to happen. So why keep on that path? Someone please stop the madness.

    It is exactly what Perry said to do. SEAL THE BORDER. You do nothing until you do that.

    Then we need to register each and every person in this country. They have been under their OWN set of laws. Stop the madness. Register and start looking at each case as people.

    Why are Repubs so stupid that they keep saying things that are not going to happen? Why not keep a FEW of those voters and address the problem with real solutions? Bush tried and the hate of this party came from this one issue. If people do not agree with your all or nothing solution, you immediately start shouting that person is in favor of amnesty.

    Perry is NOT in favor of amnesty. I live in Texas and I sure as he** am not in favor of blanket amnesty. Perry is so right on this issue. SEAL THAT BORDER. Stop trying to put the cart before the horse. We can work out the other problems if we SEAL THAT BORDER.

    Please. I am so sick of trying to find the English instructions on everything I buy and listening to the instructions in Spanish over the phone. Please.

  • Jerry C

    The U.S. Federal government allows illegal immigration by not enforcing our borders. Corporations, businesses and individuals (including CONgressmen/women) hire illegals without verifying resident status. Mexico has drug lords & mafia running wild in the streets killing & decapitating anyone who opposes them. Even the police & politicians were being murdered. And americans wonder why alot of mexicans would risk their lives to come to the great U.S. of America.

    I’d say the problem isn’t illegal immigrants. The problem is the U.S. Federal government not enforcing our borders. The problem is Corporations, businesses and individuals hiring illegals. The problem is criminals run free in the streets & CONgress & all throughout our government. The problem is trying to make the innoccent pay while letting the lawless go free.

    In the U.S. of America, we have the statue of Liberty. Here is a part of what it says:

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    My solution: tear down the statue of Liberty before the U.S. of America does anything on illegal immigration unless we plan to continue to live by that pledge. Oh, by the way, terminate the U.S. Federal government since it no longer serves a useful purpose for the legal citizens of these United States.

  • Mark1957

    There are no simple answers on immigration, however, as a sovereign nation our leaders have an obligation to secure our borders in the age of terror. At the same time, one of America’s greatest strengths is we are a nation of many cultures and the ideas that they bring with them. Fences do work no matter what the open borders crowd says, especially double walled fences like they built near San Diego, CA. where they are also heavily patrolled.
    Like many Americans, my grandparents came here through Elise Island, the legal way as people say. Unfortunately, Elise Island is no longer in use and we could use one or two along the southern border. This would allow us to do back criminal ground checks, health exams, and require that they have a legal citizen to sponsor them so that they aren’t a burden on tax payers, as well as a basic command of the English language. Immigration quotas should also be tied to the unemployment rate so that American citizens get first crack at American jobs. These gateways would give immigrants a legal path like our grandparents had, while denying the cartels the money they make from human smuggling.

  • mcc

    Seems to me the only way Obama can win is if the Right stubbornly refuses to vote for the Republican candidate – by either staying home or by voting a third party alternative.

    You will only have yourselves to blame for the disaster that will surely follow.

    Listening to those who participated in the debate assured me that any one of them – even if I disagreed heartily at times – is far, far preferrable to the Marxist we have now.

    It counts for little that your eyes are open to the evil of this administration if they remain closed to the ramifications of your own foolishness.

  • butch


    Well said.

  • bg


    bottom line:

    Newt is not the “open borders” or
    you have no heart type, get real..


  • bigL

    Newt’s plan contains a false argument-splitting up famliles. If the grandfather has to go then the
    fAMILY GOES WITH HIM! Case closed, no split up. Illegal grand ad-out! take kidswith you . stop freebies and prevent illegal families from going home to see grandma in mexico at holiday, then the illegals will be self deporting back home…
    Also last year or the yr before, the USa Naturalized over a 1,000,000 new citizens- TOO MANY.
    Of those 111,000 were Mexicans. So there is legal immigratiuon even tho it is too much.

  • workingclass artist


    Amazing how many of these candidates are adopting their own “versions” of many of Gov. Perry’s proposals isn’t it ?

    Gig Em’

    Perry 2012

  • bg


    #132 November 23, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    workingclass artist

    oh yeah, that’s A M A Z I N G alriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!

    rotf 😆 mbo!!


  • PROGRESSIVE RINO! This is no different than the plan that Obama is instituting via Executive Order now.

    I Cannot and will not support this man. I’m looking for a President who wants to round up and deport all these life suckers. This will create employment also. I believe Eisenhower dumped them in the CENTER of Mexico when he returned them. All the other ILLEGALS to also be returned to the CENTER of their countries. ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL!

  • bg
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  • Newt ? Isn’t he running for President of Mexico? Or perhaps he’s a crypto candidate for US President as a liberal democrat? I just got a mailbox full from a gun rights group that’s upset with him for siding with Pelosi.
    In any event neither Newt nor Rick Perry will be getting my vote.