CONFIRMED – Fast and Furious Docs Show Extensive Communication with Obama Administration

In April 2009 Barack Obama blamed the violence in Mexico on US guns. Five months later the Fast and Furious program was off and running.

Late on Friday the White House released documents that show the Obama Administration was frequently updated on the Fast and Furious program.
Via Free Republic

Late Friday, the White House turned over new documents in the Congressional investigation into the ATF “Fast and Furious” gunwalking scandal.

The documents show extensive communications between then-ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix office Bill Newell – who led Fast and Furious – and then-White House National Security Staffer Kevin O’Reilly. Emails indicate the two also spoke on the phone. Such detailed, direct communications between a local ATF manager in Phoenix and a White House national security staffer has raised interest among Congressional investigators looking into Fast and Furious. Newell has said he and O’Reilly are long time friends. …

Among the documents produced: an email in which ATF’s Newell sent the White House’s O’Reilly an “arrow chart reflecting the ultimate destination of firearms we intercepted and/or where the guns ended up.” The chart shows arrows leading from Arizona to destinations all over Mexico.

In response, O’Reilly wrote on Sept. 3, 2010 “The arrow chart is really interesting – and – no surprise – implies at least that different (Drug Trafficking Organizations) in Mexico have very different and geographically distinct networks in the US for acquiring guns. Did last year’s TX effort develop a similar graphic?”

#1 October 1, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Tyranny's Bain commented:

Where’s Boehner on this? McConnell? Where is the passion on our side to save our nation?

You better believe if the shoe were on the other foot the detestable Henry Waxman, Patrick Leahy, et al would be in full jihad mode demanding Senate hearings, special prosecutors, resignations, and impeachment proceedings.

We won’t save the Republic for the verminous Marxist assault that is the Maobama administration by observing the Marquess of Queensberry Rules while the left uses treachery, deceit, fraud, thuggery, and wantonly usurps the Constitution to accomplish their goal of the “fundamental transformation”.
#2 October 1, 2011 at 4:28 pm
JDF commented:

And? What are we going to do with that incredibly incriminating information? Are we going to ignore it and turn a blind once again?
#3 October 1, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Jim commented:

It’s the criminal wing of the damndemocrat party using its full power to gain and retain control. A special prosecutor must be appointed to investigate and hang these SOBs.
#4 October 1, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Bill Mitchell commented:

Sadly, seems like a single Democrat is screaming bloody murder over this. Does this mean they agree with the program and how it was run?

Looks like Obama has got two HUGE scandals brewing here. Hope Issa grows a set and does something about them.
#5 October 1, 2011 at 4:40 pm
olm commented:

WHAT operation in Texas?
#6 October 1, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Bill Mitchell commented:

Sadly, seems like “NOT” a single Democrat is screaming bloody murder over this.

Sorry, missed that part
#7 October 1, 2011 at 4:45 pm
ruready? commented:

The NRA should get involved in this in a big way.
#8 October 1, 2011 at 4:55 pm
MrGoodWench commented:

Why is there no ” bi-partisan ” condemnation of this repugnant behavior by Obama+Holder ?
Is it OK with Dems if Obama+Holder are involved with killing American law enforcement officers ?
#9 October 1, 2011 at 4:58 pm
StrangernFiction commented:

Where’s Boehner on this? McConnell? Where is the passion on our side to save our nation?

And where are the GOP candidates?
#10 October 1, 2011 at 5:00 pm
lizzy84 commented:

If you knew that guns and grenades were being walked across the US border to the Latino narco gang/terrorist cartels, raise your hand:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110920-wave-rs.photoblog900.jpg

We have met the ‘enema’ and his name is oBama.
#11 October 1, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Rachelle commented:

I never really doubted it. We have a gangster government.
#12 October 1, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Opaobie commented:

I posted a comment on the NRA’s battles against the Obama-Holder gang and their lackies at the BATF…must be under moderation. Here are the particulars in case something in the links or the message is verboten.

Friday, September 30, 2011
Yesterday, a federal judge in the Northern District of Texas ruled that the federal ban on dealer sales of handguns to adults from the ages of 18 to 20 does not violate the Second Amendment. The National Rifle Association plans to file a prompt appeal of the court’s ruling to the Fifth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.

“We strongly disagree with this ruling,” said Chris W. Cox, Executive Director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action. “As we said when we filed this case, adults 18 and up have fought and died for American freedom throughout our country’s history. They are adults for virtually every legal purpose under federal and state law, and that should include the ability to buy handguns from licensed dealers to defend themselves, their homes and their families. Our fellow plaintiffs in this case are law-abiding and responsible young adults. We plan to defend their rights to the very end.”

The case is Jennings v. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. A related case challenging Texas’ ban on issuance of concealed handgun licenses to adults in the same age group is still pending before the same court.

As we reported last week, H.R. 822, the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011″ has recently come under attack from some expected and unexpected quarters. The usual culprits– i.e., the anti-gun media, like the New York Times and the Washington Post; anti-gun organizations, like the Brady Campaign; and New York City Mayor Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns–are a given. Regrettably, though, even some so-called “pro-gun” organizations are attacking this critically important bill. …read more at the link above.

Looks like you have to be a member of a Mexican Drug Cartel to be able to buy guns according to the Obama-Holder gang…no American citizens allowed.
#13 October 1, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Carbon Pootprint commented:

I’m sure they were doing it for our own good. They needed an excuse to disarm us so we wouldn’t shoot ourselves. Progressive Traitors care so much don’t you know. Which one of these a-holes said you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet? I remember that line from when this story first started breaking.
#14 October 1, 2011 at 5:19 pm
StrangernFiction commented:

[Congressional investigators for Republicans Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) have asked to interview O'Reilly by September 30. But the Administration informed them that O'Reilly is on assignment for the State Department in Iraq and unavailable.]
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20114184-10391695.html
#15 October 1, 2011 at 5:25 pm
MrGoodWench commented:

StrangernFiction commented:
[Congressional investigators for Republicans Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) have asked to interview O'Reilly by September 30. But the Administration informed them that O'Reilly is on assignment for the State Department in Iraq and unavailable.]
+++++++
So ATF is running guns for jihadies IN IRAQ too ?
#16 October 1, 2011 at 5:26 pm
YES WE CON! commented:

Remember, we were all told by the talk radio, blogs,pols, pundits, etc. to “focus on his policies, rather than the crazy Birther stuff” And now, we find his policies are fraudulent/criminal too. What a shock!

Oh, here is some ‘crazy birther’ news: Obama’s CT. SSN 042-68-4425 FAILED to pass the gov’t E-VERIFY system. He has now been officially declared INELIGIBLE for legal employment in the USA – http://www.BirtherReport.com

But, I digress. Back to his policies…
#17 October 1, 2011 at 5:32 pm
David commented:

To ME… this makes The Watergate break in and cover up look like kindergarten. What the hell happened to this country… media, Dems, GOP, any watch dog groups……anyone…. Please??? Screw what party Obama is…this is criminal and Americans are dieing because of this policy that is clearly designed to take away the rights the 2nd amendment afford US citizens.
#18 October 1, 2011 at 5:34 pm
StrangernFiction commented:

#15 October 1, 2011 at 5:25 pm
MrGoodWench commented:

God help any innocents attached to Mr. O’Reilly.
#19 October 1, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Robert commented:

The chart shows arrows leading from Arizona to destinations all over Mexico.

Did last year’s TX effort develop a similar graphic?

Guns sold, by the federal government, to criminals in another country.

The Republicans are performing as poorly on this as they are on
their clear mandate to reduce government spending.

It seems that we have one person, Issa, to push this issue,
and one person, Ryan, to propose spending reductions.

The rest of the Party is just going along to get along.
#20 October 1, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Robert commented:

Also, note that the documents are release on the infamous late Friday.

This shows that the administration knows that it is wrong and doesn’t want publicity.
#21 October 1, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Patty commented:

Chu took the fall for Obama in the Solyndra scam and here the same thing will hold true.

Someone else will take the fall for Obama decider in Chief.
#22 October 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Patty commented:

Deceiver in Chief! correction
#23 October 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Patty commented:

The White House counsel who produced the documents stated that some records were not included because of “significant confidentiality interests.”

(Credit: CBS)
Also included are email photographs including images of a .50 caliber rifle (left) that Newell tells O’Reilly “was purchased in Tucson, Arizona (part of another OCDTF case).” OCDTF is a joint task force that operates under the Department of Justice and includes the US Attorneys, ATF, DEA, FBI, ICE and IRS. Fast and Furious was an OCDTF case.

An administration source would not describe the Tucson OCDTF case. However, CBS News has learned that ATF’s Phoenix office led an operation out of Tucson called “Wide Receiver.” Sources claim ATF allowed guns to “walk” in that operation, much like Fast and Furious.

Congressional investigators for Republicans Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) have asked to interview O’Reilly by September 30. But the Administration informed them that O’Reilly is on assignment for the State Department in Iraq and unavailable.

One administration source says White House national security staffers were “briefed on the toplines of ongoing federal efforts, but nobody in White House knew about the investigative tactics being used in the operation, let alone any decision to let guns walk.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20114184-10391695.html
#24 October 1, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Patty commented:

The White House counsel who produced the documents stated that some records were not included because of “significant confidentiality interests.”
______________________

Obama will never be implicated in this scam, either.
#25 October 1, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Patty commented:

AMERICANS SHOULD BE “FURIOUS”
#26 October 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Patty commented:

Congressional investigators for Republicans Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) have asked to interview O’Reilly by September 30. But the Administration informed them that O’Reilly is on assignment for the State Department in Iraq and unavailable.
____________________
unavailable!! Oh, what cons are running our nation!
#27 October 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Dean_L commented:

The dots are starting to be connected but you have to wonder if this Kevin O’Reilly staffer is being set up as a fall guy for the White House.
#28 October 1, 2011 at 6:03 pm
David commented:

#26 October 1, 2011 at 5:52
We are rapidly turning into The Philippines, Mexico, Cuba, Somalia, Guatemala,Croatia etc ….basically anywhere that the Government does whatever they want and the people have absolutely no power or say….what is the term… Banana Republic? We can’t let this happen
#29 October 1, 2011 at 6:08 pm
lizzy84 commented:

Feds bust Iraqi-Mexican drug operation in Calif.

via Borderland Beat:
link:http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/08/feds-bust-iraqi-mexican-drug-operation.html

Hmmm…any of those confiscated guns Fast n’ Furious?
#30 October 1, 2011 at 6:09 pm
big L commented:

.
Nothing will be done, the donk/Lefites are ready to rule: win-or-lose. The GOP is ready to
ah…er…um.. see ya…
The Senate is the most important election, actually elections. No Press is covering it because they don’t want to call attention to it and don’t want the TEaPs to focus on it. By the silence of the MSM,that is where our interest should be.
Every year the focus is on the debate, and the format brings a big sneer from the populace.
The format makes these fine people look like dwarves, with Wolfie as marionette.Crazy!
Heck with it. Focus on the Senate in yr area. Get someone to run, back a conservative. We need 7 to block + another 5 to get rid of the RINOS. If we can get pr0b 17 Sens to over-ride veto. This is where our strength is. Put the Pres election on the BBQ. Focus in on the Senate and watch the Donk heads explode. Some of these long faithful OLd GOPers have to go, fresh conservative blood is needed.
#31 October 1, 2011 at 6:10 pm
10G-Hat commented:

August 11, 2011, Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) demanded answers in letter sent to Eric Holder, as reported in “The Houston Chronicle”:
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/08/another-fast-and-furious-cornyn-demands-information-on-atf-operation-in-texas/
#32 October 1, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Mikey commented:

…and where’s our resident tool Craig on this matter? Strangely silent it seems.
He’s all for demonstrating against those evil “banksters” but is nowhere to be found when the real criminals – 0bama , Holder & Co are exposed and caught, doing actual documentable criminal activity, such as Fast & Furious, Operation Gunrunner, Solyndra..etc
#33 October 1, 2011 at 6:19 pm
sifty commented:

I want to see the scrawny little bunk pulled out of the Oval Office by his ear wearing a set of manacles on his way to Federal Pound Him in the Ass Prison.

The hundreds of dead people in Mexico, Ofc. Terry, and all the millions of unemployed, foreclosed, and beaten down people this phony prick has harmed deserve to see Obama in prison.
#34 October 1, 2011 at 6:23 pm
sifty commented:

Every single Republican Senator and Representative needs to walk into the Oval Office, each holding a letter requesting that Barak Obama resign his office immediately for high crimes and misdemeanors.

They should place each letter one at a time atop OUR Resolute Desk (the one the 1st Pansy keeps his filthy shoes on) and walk out.

Let’s see the carnival barkers in this misbegotten administration spin that.
#35 October 1, 2011 at 6:35 pm
GotFreedom commented:

Question–why, after all these months, is the WH NOW complying with requests for docs? IMO–O’Reilly is the scapegoat the WH is willing to throw under the bus to deflect from BHO!!!
#36 October 1, 2011 at 6:58 pm
heyitsmekelly commented:

What you all don’t know is that guns and drugs have been synonymous with each other for decades !!! The Iluminati has been dealing guns and drugs for decades for their covert operations for the Military Industrial Complex !!! This is all part of the decades fiasco the Federal Government calls “The War on Drugs” !!! http://ciadrugs.com/index_cia_top.html
#37 October 1, 2011 at 7:02 pm
heyitsmekelly commented:

BTW Don’t you all remember Iran Contra Scandal !!! It’s the exact same thing !!! I doubt that anyone within the government will held accountable for this !!!
#38 October 1, 2011 at 7:06 pm
heyitsmekelly commented:

http://ciadrugs.com/index_cia_right.html
#39 October 1, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Mad Hatter commented:

First off, By Sharyl Attkisson has done a great job of journalism in keeping this story alive on CBS.

Next, here’s another strike against “you have no heart” Rick Perry.

From the Houston Chronicle.

HAMPTON, N.H. — Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry says he is open to sending American troops to Mexico to help battle drug cartels.

“It may require our military in Mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off of our borders,” he said.

Perry likened the situation to Colombia, where the government accepted American military support in battling drug trafficking.

Perry says the current violence may require similar military action.

http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/10/6594/

U.S. Military Action in Mexico? At least we’re finding out these things early about Perry.
#40 October 1, 2011 at 7:09 pm
M1 commented:

Darrell Issa, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, all of the GOP presidential candidates, and all of the Tea Party freshman need to be fired. Their silence is inexcusable and treasonous.
#41 October 1, 2011 at 7:09 pm
heyitsmekelly commented:

Sorry for all the post but I want to get this right !!!

http://ciadrugs.com/
#42 October 1, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Mad Hatter commented:

#40,

Darrell Issa has been holding hearings about this, and Fox News have interviewed him about the hearings. It’s the rest of the media has ignored him.
#43 October 1, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Obamas regulation destroy jobs commented:

This man must be impeached! He actually sent those guns for our men to get killed so he could show how bad guns are??? I knew it, Holder, Obama had something to do with it..We should fly over there and interview O’Reiley. They should all be fired plus the Solar thing??? Why can’t we do anything???Murder, robbery, thuggery and we do nothing?????!!! That’s why he fired Wilpin! The IG knew they were doing illegal things!And they still are—And nothing happens nothing!! The democrats just sit there while Americans are being murdered with our own guns!
#44 October 1, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Robert commented:

#40 M1

Yes, they have failed us, especially the silent and quiet Tea Party freshmen. It’s as if they got sucked up into the maw of D.C. and were never heard from again.

And if they are going along with the political calculations that making less waves will increase the chance of winning power in the next election, I say that we should LOSE! No one deserves power if they remain silent in the face of such atrocities, at least they are political atrocities if nothing else.

If we can’t continue to articulate and advance our principles because of political expediency, then we have the wrong bunch in Washington D.C.

Barely a whimper from any of them over spending so far, and we’ll see if any of them have any courage to stand up to this scandal.
#45 October 1, 2011 at 7:31 pm
retire05 commented:

Mad Hatter, yes, U.S. troops in Mexico.

I suggest you read the history of Pablo Escobar, a notorious Columbian drug lord. It was our Delta Forces that trained the Columbians on how to track Escobar and fight the Columbia drug lords. When Escobar was shot and killed, there were U.S. troops there at the scene guiding the Columbian military teams.

So your little “gotcha” for Perry only shows how uninformed you are.
#47 October 1, 2011 at 7:31 pm
FurryGuy commented:

As with everything Barry and his Merry Band of Marxists do there is lots more going on than meets the eye:

Bombshell: DOJ Considering Elimination of ATF

Multiple sources, including sources from ATF, DOJ and Congressional offices have said there is a white paper circulating within the Department of Justice, outlining the essential elimination of ATF. According to sources, the paper outlines the firing of at least 450 ATF agents in an effort to conduct damage control as Operation Fast and Furious gets uglier and as election day 2012 gets closer. ATF agents wouldn’t be reassigned to other positions, just simply let go. Current duties of ATF, including the enforcement of explosives and gun laws, would be transferred to other agencies, possibly the FBI and the DEA. According to a congressional source, there have been rumblings about the elimination of ATF for quite sometime, but the move would require major political capital to actually happen.

“It’s a serious white paper being circulated, how far they’d get with it I don’t know,” a confidential source said.
#48 October 1, 2011 at 7:33 pm
retire05 commented:

Mad Hatter, we have had U.S. personell in Mexico for years.

I suggest you read the story of Kiki Camarena. And more recently, Jaime Zapata.
#49 October 1, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Opus#6@AmericanPerspective commented:

I know this and you know this. The question is, what is our government going to do about it.
#50 October 1, 2011 at 7:38 pm
tommy mc donnell commented:

i know my elected representatives, sen lautenberg(aka the cadaver), sen menendez, rep pascrall couldn’t care less.

this may be a big scandal at gateway pundit but in american tass they also couldn’t care less.
#51 October 1, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Ginger commented:

I have been reading on other blogs that the plan is to take things slow and the slow document dump from the frauds is playing right into Issa’s hands. The main reason is to play it until after the 2012 election and the kenyan fraud goes down and there is a republican president so that Barry the kenyan fraud can not “Pardon” Holder and all envolved. I also hear that Issa already has the dirt to take them down right now! Let us hope that Issa and others do not get “bought” off or threatened.

The old saying: “The Wheels of JUSTICE Grinds Slow” appears to be a pretty good thing in this case. Stay Tuned!
#52 October 1, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Mad Hatter commented:

reitre05,

I’m fully aware that we had military personal in Columbia to assist the Columbians in the drug war. If Perry is elected, and green lights this operation, my concern is how long it will last, and where the money is going to come from.
#53 October 1, 2011 at 7:55 pm
hank commented:

President Palin will make heads roll. There is no way she would let them get away with this terrible corruption and abuse.
#54 October 1, 2011 at 8:04 pm
tommy mc donnell commented:

#51…if what you say is true rep. issa shouldn’t be playing politics with this.
#55 October 1, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Sam Stone commented:

This is deeper than the Marianas Trench!

Someone needs to get a special prosecutor for this.
#56 October 1, 2011 at 8:17 pm
retire05 commented:

#52, Mad Hatter, we also have had U.S. personell in Mexico for almost 30 years. Kiki Camarena was tortured and murdered in 1985. Jaime Zapata just recently.

How long will it last? Until it is over and the drug cartel is totally destroyed.

How much will it cost? I don’t know. How much do you think Jaime Zapata and Brian Terry’s life was worth? How much do you think the lives of the residents in the U.S. being killed by drug cartel members are worth?

You need to read: Texas Border Security: A Strategic Military Assessment.
You can find it on line.
#57 October 1, 2011 at 8:19 pm
retire05 commented:

#54, Tommy, the most complete information on Fast and Furious can be found at the sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com

They are the ones who brought this to the forefront.
#58 October 1, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Fuquay Steve commented:

Nothin’ to see here. Move along.
#59 October 1, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Ivan commented:

Who is Boehner & McConnell? Must be part of the left group!
#60 October 1, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Druid commented:

The Buck Stops…, where?
#61 October 1, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Mad Hatter commented:

retire05, #56,

Before Perry would want to put U.S. Military personal in Mexico, he might want to look inward and start weeding out the MS-13 Gang Members, they’re operating in the U.S., they’re an extended arm of the Drug Cartel, and they’re ruining out cities, but it seems like no politician wants to take them on.
#62 October 1, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Ginger commented:

More info……………

http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/mexican-attorney-general-obama-more-involved-fast-furious-than-admitted
#63 October 1, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Craig commented:

“And where are the GOP candidates?” StrangernFiction (#9)

Operation Fast and Furious hasn’t come up during a debate yet, nor has reform of the Justice Department. Many of the candidates have not even commented on Fast and Furious. After an extensive search, The Daily Caller only found two candidates who have: Congressman Ron Paul and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Gingrich’s comments on Fast and Furious came during a speech in early May to the National Rifle Association. “[The administration’s] total mismanagement of the sting into Mexico, the Obama administration is the most consistently anti-gun administration we have ever seen,” Gingrich said.

Paul’s comments came via a campaign statement in mid-June. “The ATF has a long history of abusing our Second Amendment rights, so I was glad to see Congressman Issa demanding answers on the Project ‘Gunwalker’ scandal,” Paul said. “My hope is that the recent hearing will further expose the ATF’s and Attorney General Eric Holder’s assaults on law-abiding gun owners, and more people will start questioning the need for unconstitutional agencies like the ATF that exist solely to infringe on American citizens’ God-given right to keep and bear arms.”

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/22/gop-field-silent-on-fast-and-furious-justice-dept-reforms/#ixzz1ZaHT9RvU
#64 October 1, 2011 at 8:53 pm
retire05 commented:

Craig, you go ahead and defend Paul. If it wasn’t for his stoned slacker lackies, we wouldn’t have a drug problem as much as we do. Dr. Paul would legalize drugs just to be able to tax them.

Wouldn’t that be great? The Mexican drug cartels could sell drugs to head shops and Ron Paul could give campaign speeches in them.
#65 October 1, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Ginger commented:

Never forget: U.S. District Judge Roll another victim of the fraud in the White House.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/08/20110108giffords-roll-backgrounder-on.html
#67 October 1, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Mad Hatter commented:

From March 3rd, 2011.

CBS Evening News, Sharyl Attkisson has been on this since then, if not sooner.

This story is coming full circle.

This is worth 6 minutes and 23 seconds of your day. Pass this along to others you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntp4iv_s0dY&feature=related
#68 October 1, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Craig commented:

Retarded 05, (#64)

It is the only way to kill the Drug Wars. Remember the Prohibition and Al Capone. It was a disaster.

Drugs, just like cigarettes or alcohol would be sold only to people under the age of 18 years old.

Governments have no rights to govern your life. Besides, your prisons would be almost empty, since most people are there for use of marijuana. You would save money.

And don’t worry, The Mexican Drug Cartel wouldn’t exist anymore, since it would be legalized… just like it all went away when they lifted the Prohibition on Alcohol.
#69 October 1, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Craig commented:

I meant of course: Drugs would be sold only to people OVER the age of 18 years old.
#70 October 1, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Druid commented:

Question still open – Anybody got a mozilla plug-in to filter out the paul-bot spam?
#71 October 1, 2011 at 10:04 pm
retire05 commented:

Craig, if you Canadians want to stay stoned, that is your business. Americans have a different idea. Most Americans know that being a stoned slacker gets you nowhere.

I view drunks to be just as worthless as druggies.
#72 October 1, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Craig commented:

Retarded 05,

Why are you so stupid? No one is proning drugs here. Like no one is proning cigarettes or alcohol. But after 18 years of age, if you chose to drink, smoke or to do drugs, that is your choice. And the Drug Cartel will all die, because some companies will open businesses on marijuana, like there is businesses who manufactures cigarettes and alcohol.

You have a problem with this? Or do you prefer criminal Drug Cartel?
#73 October 1, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Camilla commented:

About Van Jones October (Russian Revolution) AND about WTF Suspending Elections.
Bombshell>>>>>>>
WTF ((BHO)) ……Wants to UNONIZE the US Military.
All of it (National Guard as well as Retirees)
UNIONIZE US MILITARY???
Google that ((Obama’s Plan)
#74 October 1, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Craig commented:

Retarded 05,

Get educated and read this. Maybe you will start to understand why drugs should be legalized:

Money Laundering and the Global Drug Trade are Fueled by the Capitalist Elites
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20210
#75 October 1, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Blacque Jacques Shellacque commented:

Special prosecutor.

S-P-E-C-I-A-L P-R-O-S-E-C-U-T-O-R.
#76 October 1, 2011 at 10:51 pm
retire05 commented:

Craig, you commie bastard, do you think calling me retarded is cute? Just how old are you anyway?

I have about had it with your dimwitted Canadian attitude. Take care of your own nation that is being overrun with Muslims and where freedom of speech is a thing of the past.

What we do here in the U.S. is none of your business. The best Canada ever had to offer the world is now a thing of the past. Too bad the Canada of World War II no longer exists. Hell, Montreal and Quebec can’t even get along. And you want to stick your nose in our business?
#77 October 1, 2011 at 11:09 pm
tommy mc donnell commented:

#73…is that because if he unionizes the military he will be able to get campaign contributions from the military budget. if that happens watch how quick liberal america starts complaining that the military is underfunded.
#78 October 1, 2011 at 11:12 pm
tommy mc donnell commented:

#74…craig i can take you to the cemetery to show you lots of reasons why drugs shouldn’t be legalized. both you and george soros.
#79 October 1, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Craig commented:

Tommy, and I can also take you to cemetery to show you lots of reasons why cigarettes and alcohol shouldn’t be legalized. But they are. If drugs were legalized the Drug cartels will no longer be and that would be a blessing to everyone.

After 18 years of age, if you are stupid enough to buy cigarettes, alcohol or drugs, that is your business. Freedoms comes with responsabilities. Do you want a free country or not?
Make up your mind.
#80 October 1, 2011 at 11:29 pm
WillofLa commented:

Whoever controls the media controls the message. And the Socialists are controlling the media so they are controlling the message of what is going on. And what is going on? Nothing is going on, “What gun’s?”, “Obama did what?”, “BATF was supposed to have done what?”, “That sounds prettty far fetched, don’t you think so?”, “He’s the President, he wouldn’t do anything like that.”, “You’re just a racist trying to cook something up on the President just because he’s Black.”

You know the script.

It doesn’t matter how much information Issa, and the Senator have on Obama, the way things go in Washington is, if accusations against you are true, you just ignore them and if you’re called for questioning you ignore that and just don’t show up. You pretend that you never got the message, or you didn’t hear about that, or something else. What is it called, “plausable deniability”. You don’t talk to media and you don’t talk to somebody like Issa because you’re a sitting official and you don’t have to talk to anyone if you don’t want to.

So what will happen is…..nothing…..until someone is forced to, or is threatened and then you lawyer up and delay, delay, delay until it goes away. And then you’re free. That’s the Democrat Socialist way of doing things.
#81 October 1, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Craig commented:

And by the way Tommy, I can also take you to cemetery to show you lots of reasons why CARS shouldn’t be legals. They have killed so many people.

Do you think the government should decide to ban cars and make it illegal to drive a car? Is this what you want?

Think about this, everytime the government decides for you, it is for the worse. They poison your water, foods, vaccines, air, name it. If you want to be free, you have to take your responsabilities and decide for yourself what is good or bad for you. Otherwise, you might as well become a leftist and ask the Nanny State to dictate everyone of your actions.
#82 October 1, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Craig commented:

WillofLa (#80)

Great comment! I agreed with every word you said, except for the last sentence of your comment:

“That’s the Democrat Socialist way of doing things.”

No Willofla, that’s both Democrats and Republicans way of doing things. Washington is corrupted to the bones and so are the MSM. Both parties and MSM serve the same masters the criminal globalist elites of the NWO.
#83 October 1, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Craig commented:

It should have read like this:
Both parties and MSM serve the same masters: the criminal globalist elites of the NWO.
#85 October 2, 2011 at 12:22 am
mcc commented:

Maybe this is what #65 Ginger was referring to:

Worth noting here is that Jared Lee Loughner’s two primary victims were a significant and growing threat to the political status quo. Giffords is a Democrat, and Judge Roll was a conservative. But the two had begun working hand-in-hand to accomplish real goals for the people they served, both in Arizona and across the country.

Judge Roll’s understanding of the proper role of the federal government had huge implications in all sorts of freedom issues, including health freedom. S.510, for instance, is the type of unconstitutional, freedom-grabbing legislation that Judge Roll would likely have fought against because of its significant encroachment on individual freedom to buy and sell locally-grown food. And any efforts to harmonize U.S. health laws with those of international governing bodies would likely have been struck down by Judge Roll as unconstitutional.

Just days before being murdered, Judge Roll had issued a preliminary ruling with intent to rule against the case of ‘United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al’. The subject of the case involved giving the Obama Administration power to seize citizens’ assets regardless of whether or not it could be proven that they committed any sort of crimes. And Judge Roll had planned to declare it unconstitutional.

http://www.naturalnews.com/031326_Judge_John_Roll_Giffords.html#ixzz1ZbANJ9LB
#86 October 2, 2011 at 1:09 am
Wayne commented:

* 81: NO, NO, NO. Bush would never get away with all the crap that Obamao and his crew have and will get away with. Bush is accused of anything they could think of four eight years. Bush is not guilty of any of their BS. Obamao continues many of the Bush policies that he and others were screaming about. Obamao and his crew are guilty of many acts of corruption. Punishing enemies, rewarding friends. it is truly a Chicago style gangster government. And there is not a sound of objection from all those who were so convinced that Bush was the worst president ever. I for one will never take any criticism of Republican presidents by democrats or the MSM seriously again. If there one thing this administration as made apparent for any objective person to see, it is the hypocrisy of the left.
#87 October 2, 2011 at 1:19 am
Wayne commented:

I meant #82 not 81. Sorry. Why is it that EVERY TIME a dimocrat is caught red handed, dimocrats, who believe the absolute worst of conservatives and are always accusing them of the worst, ALWAYS say ‘they all do it, it the evil American system.’ It’s not the American system that’s the problem, it’s corrupt democrats. Hypocrites!
#88 October 2, 2011 at 7:41 am
Jaimo commented:

With regard to Perry sending troops to Mexico, I have a question. Is it worth it, I mean Mexico should just be fenced in on all sides and let the weapons there already finish the job. We need a fence, electrified and very very tall. Mexico has the balls to want to get involved in every aspect of our policies on Mexico, when in actuality it is none of their business and I’m tired of El Presidente weighing in on every dumbass decision we make regarding illegal aliens, or in his words “migrant workers”. If they are truly migrant, go the heck home after the lettuce is picked for God’s sake, stop stealing our welfare services, healthcare and educational opportunities that belong to our children. If you want to make Mexico better, go back there and do that, but you aren’t going to do it from here.

Out, all of you. Get in line and apply to return, and get a sponsor so we as taxpayers don’t have to pay for you and your 13 kids when you get here.
#89 October 2, 2011 at 8:35 am
Paulfr commented:

So Kevin Reilly is “on assignment” in Iraqi, eh. Iraqi is a very dangerous place. People are killed UNEXPECTEDLY everyday in Iraqi. If I were Kevin Reilly I would be VERY concerned for my personal safety. He is the man who knows too much
This time the fall guy gets run over by the bus
#90 October 2, 2011 at 8:46 am
Ginger commented:

mcc #85.. Thank You

I had to stop posting and go to bed last night. I was to sleepy to concentrate. Yes, Judge Roll was murdered and the orders came from high up. My anger also comes from that precious little girl that became the victim because of the evil corruption in government.
#91 October 2, 2011 at 8:48 am
retire05 commented:

Jaimo, nice “hate on Mexicans” post.

Why is it that when uninformed people like you talk about illegals, all you think of is “Mes-can?” What about the Irish, British, Chinese, and yeah, Canadians that were here illegally? Do you want to kick out Marco Rubio too? What about Congressman Francisco Canseco? Want to kick him out, even though he is on the Fast and Furious committee, just because his parents came here from Mexico?

I don’t approve of entering our nation illegally. It shows a lack of respect for the U.S. that is not going to be gained once they are here. But I also know that our nation plays favorites, and that has to end.

Mexico is in the shape it is in because we did not finish the job in Columbia. If you want the history there, I will gladly give it to you. And they come here to work jobs I would bet a paycheck that you would not do. Tell me, if you lost your job, would you take a job where you clean toilets for $7.75/hr? Or would you sit on your butt and collect unemployment for almost two years? Would you dig ditches, haul dirt, etc. for 8 hours a day for minimum wage? Hell, no.

You complain about the illegals, but tell me, how many people do you know who have kids that are willing to do those jobs as part time work? How many high schoolers do you know that are willing to cut lawns, clean gutters, etc. just for a little spending money? You see, jobs that kids used to take, well now, the little darlings are too spoiled to do such menial work. They would rather sit at home and play video games because mommie and daddie will let them. And the adults, who lose their jobs, think those jobs are beneath them and would rather suck from the taxpayer teat collecting unemployment for almost two years.

You said build a fence and let the weapons there already finish the job. So you think we should just let the drug cartels kill all the Mexicans, women, children, nuns, priests, sheriff’s, judges, everybody and our troubles will be over. Just turn Mexico into Somalia, right?

But I never heard anyone say that FDR should have never started the Bracero program. How he didn’t mind using Mexican labor, and then didn’t bother to make sure they followed the rules.

And how are the Mexicans, that now flee their war torn nation, any different than the Cubans who fled Castro’s communism?

No, I don’t like to see the number of illegals that cross our borders. But I am also informed enough to know that years of a pan-American socialist attitude south of our border, that we basically ignored, and generations of corruption, that we basically ignored, has cause the problem we now have today.
#92 October 2, 2011 at 8:51 am
retire05 commented:

ginger, is there a conspiracy theory that you DON’T buy into?
#93 October 2, 2011 at 8:52 am
Ginger commented:

#89

You got that right!

Navy Seals

Young man who worked at passport office shot in the head while sitting in his car.

The man who took over I think was Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae ? and was found hung in his basement with wife and daughter up stairs????????? Did he find out something? hmmm

The two black members of Barry/Wright’s church/mosque.

You know the list can be endless!
#94 October 2, 2011 at 8:59 am
Ginger commented:

retire05

Just SOB if you do not like my opinions because I sure DONOT like yours. Now move along PIG. OINK! OINK!

Get a life you are on some ones blog day and night 24/7 bashing any one that does not agree with your warped mind!
#95 October 2, 2011 at 9:25 am
aprilnovember811 commented:

HE KILLS AMERICAN CITIZENS! HE’S FRAMING AMERICANS!!! HE’S KENYAN BORN! HE’S AN INDONESIAN AND THEY KNOW IT, I WANT HIM TRIED AND EXECUTED!!!! BASTARD!!!!!
#96 October 2, 2011 at 9:26 am
retire05 commented:

ginger, does your pimp give you Sunday mornings off?

Just curious.
#97 October 2, 2011 at 9:28 am
aprilnovember811 commented:

HE’S THE ONE WHO HAD GABRIELLE GIFFORDS AND THE JUDGE SHOT. HE SET THAT UP, TO FRAME SARAH PALIN AND THE TEA PARTY! IT WAS TOO ORCHESTRATED!!!! THEY RECRUITED THAT MENTALLY DISTURBED MAN TO DO IT!!! HE’S PROBABLY INVOLVED IN BP TOO!!!

HE HAD THE NAVY SEALS ASSASSINATED!!!! HE DID IT!!! THEY FINGERED THEM, AND THEN THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD MEMBERS HE APPOINTED INTO OUR GOVERNMENT SET THEM UP!!!

OBAMA’S JUST LIKE HIS MURDERING COUSIN RALIA ODINGA!!! THE MEDIA’S RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THIS MURDEROUS THUG IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!
#98 October 2, 2011 at 9:28 am
Midnight Rider commented:

Eric Holder and Obama need to be arrested and tried for treason.

This is a Patriot’s call to action

A Declaration To Restore The Constitutional Republic

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Declaration-to-restore-the-Constitutional-Republic.pdf

Please Read It And Pass It On
#99 October 2, 2011 at 9:35 am
aprilnovember811 commented:

GINGER,
I HOPE YOU’RE RIGHT. THIS IS TREASON! THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS!!! THAT MEANS HILLARY CLINTON TOO. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND HER, DIRTY, MARXIST HANDS ARE ALL OVER THIS TOO. SHE’S NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!!
#100 October 2, 2011 at 9:40 am
aprilnovember811 commented:

OBAMA HAD SARAH PALIN’S CHURCH SET ON FIRE!!! THIS IS WHAT THEY DO IN HIS HOME COUNTRY OF KENYA AND THE MIDDLE EAST. THEY SET FIRE TO CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.

MURDEROUS KENYAN THUG!!!!
Obama In Kenya: I Am So Proud To Come Back Home
http://youtu.be/87pXa2pK6sg

DO THEY HAVE TARGETS IN KENYA, MICHELLE????? They know he’s Kenyan born. They know he’s the son of Malcolm X aka Malcolm Little, yes that’s his last name.
http://octaman.com/comments/MalcolmO.html
#101 October 2, 2011 at 9:46 am
Ginger commented:

aprilnovember811 #99

We have to elect someone who is a true PATROIT because if some one like Perry/Romney gets elected every thing will be swept under the rug. We need to take control of the senate/congress/White House and most of all the muslim/communist members to be voted out. Harry reid is not up for re-election next year but won’t it be nice to knock him out of his leadership?
#102 October 2, 2011 at 9:52 am
Ginger commented:

april

I would love it if a group of us partoits could run our own ad on u-tube showing where he said it was good to be back home and Michelle saying Barack’s home land. Oh, and the one where Stoponoplis (?) interviewing the fraud and he says my “muslim faith.” Remember that?
#103 October 2, 2011 at 10:07 am
Lee commented:

I thought subverting the constitution was a treasonous offence, isn’t it?
#104 October 2, 2011 at 10:39 am
gwhh commented:

Does anyone else thinks this strange quote: Newell has said he and O’Reilly are long time friends.

That way they talk so much. So much about THIS case??!!
#106 October 2, 2011 at 11:54 am
bg commented:

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retire05 #91 October 2, 2011 at 8:48 am

re: [Jaimo, nice “hate on Mexicans” post.]

oh that’s BS and you know it..

Jaimo: [With regard to Perry sending troops to Mexico]

more like not so nice “hate post on Jaimo”..

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#108 October 2, 2011 at 1:30 pm
bg commented:

++

aprilnovember811 #100 October 2, 2011 at 9:40 am

just a sample of much more..

Maurice Strong’s Death Squads

[Strong’s mission in Kenya (from which he has not deviated for 60 years) was to recruit and bind contract killers to him for life, allegedly by using snuff-films of Mau Mau oath-taking rituals designed by Obama’s paternal grandfather (Hussein Onyango Obama). He then moved his hit teams around the world over a university-based (Northwestern University) extortion network run out of Chicago.]

Kenya Mercenaries

[Mr Misrahi was detailing how Gaddafi had resorted to using mercenaries
against his own people after losing control of the Libyan armed forces.]

bit more here & here & here. & elsewhere.

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