A St. Louis area driver is fighting a ticket he received last week for giving another driver the one-finger salute.
The Florrisant man says the ticket violates his right to free speech.

KMOV reported:

A Florissant man is fighting a ticket he got for giving the middle finger to another driver in Ballwin.

According to KMOX Radio, the man said that he gave the finger to a driver who blocked an intersection when he had a green light.

The man is fighting the ticket based on a similar case in Pittsburgh. That ticket was thrown out as a violation of free speech.

In Ballwin, drivers are allowed to extend a hand or arm from a window for signaling purposes, and the driver says that is exactly what he did.

For the record… The driver is a friend of a friend of mine. He’s a successful engineer in St. Louis… And he likes to flip off ignorant drivers.

 

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  1. Surely, if they can find justification to ticket this man, there must be grounds under the law to ticket the cop for being a moron.

    If this ever catches on where I live, with the high percentage of loony and rude drivers I face every day, I’m gonna have a notebook full of “bird tickets.”

  2. Self Defense Is Now Illegal In an NC Town:

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/208446.php

    from the article:

    The Garner police responded to a break-in in progress at a home on Nellane Drive. Whitaker told them one of the prowlers had fired a shot at him and he retuned fire with his shotgun.

    Despite the fact that he was trying to protect himself, police cited Whitaker, 26, of Nellane Drive for violating the gun ordinance.

    They say there is no self-defense exception in Garner’s gun ordinance.

  3. A Nanny State will insist that we all get along and play nicely. But that is NOT freedom.

    The right of free speech embraces the right to criticize, even the right to hate. The right means nothing, nothing at all, if the only speech “allowed” is polite speech. It is only un-welcomed speech that needs the constitutional protections.

    Would this cop have given a ticket if the driver had waved hello to someone he knew on the sidewalk?

  4. If someone is an idiot and cuts me off or turns right from the middle lane, they get the finger from me. I didn’t realize it was against the law. Tho I am aware I could get some street justice
    and should be careful as peopleare armed.

  5. I see this so much in Missouri, I thought it was a sign of saying hello. /sarc. I watched the local news cover this, and the man who did the salute got the ticket, the perp who broke the law, got nothing. Twisted logic in the world today me thinks.

  6. Lazy cop. Ticket quota. Justified ridicule to come.

  7. Clearly all traffic was stopped since the intersection was blocked, so there was no danger from making a gesture, and yeah, free speech. Still, does making the gesture clear the intersection? Does honking your horn? The guy who blocked the intersection was an idiot, but this world is full of idiots… flicking them all off won’t do anything about that.

  8. He should not be ticketed and the police should butt out.

    However, Jim your friend is vulgar. Successful engineer or not, he is vulgar.

  9. I do believe, if my memory serves me correctly, there is already fairly high court precedent that this is protected “speech”. The question remains how will the flipper be compensated for the false charges.

  10. On what basis was the ticket given?

  11. If I am reading the ordinance correctly, he wouldn’t have been cited if the signal was given INSIDE the vehicle.

    This is ridiculous. He had terrible manners even if he had the right of way. However, when did terrible manners become illegal? I see men with their pants hanging down and women scantily clad in St. Louis all the time. I would say that is terrible manners. I have to look at them. They offend my standards.

    Where do we draw the line? If someone is threatened? Well, people who dress indecently threaten my social code. So let’s round them up. sarc/ Jeez.

  12. A couple followed me inside a store in Ballwin, then out to my car. Then they followed us to a friend’s street. My husband, who has a CC permit, pulled up to their car and asked them what they wanted.

    The husband said, your wife got in our way while we were shopping. My husband said get over it and stop following us.

    THEY called the Ballwin police who pulled US over on Manchester Rd. and detained US. For nothing…and they used THREE cop cars to do it. They surrounded us and told us to stay out of Ballwin. It was incredible. They asked us why we threatened these people, which we never did.

    Bottom line, our accusers lived in Ballwin. Back home in Ladue I went into the police station and asked what the protocol was here, and the chief said, “Let me call our friends out in Ballwin and make sure this never happens again.” Sweet.

    Ballwin has some real dirtbag cops…avoid Ballwin.

  13. I wouldn’t be too eager to flip other drivers off; you can never tell what they might do. I flip them off under the dashboard.

  14. I like to flip off ignorant drivers too. Everyone on the road is ignorant but me. LOL

    Seriously though… This is just a stupid ticket. What has our country come to?

  15. Wow if this is allowed to stand and anyone from NYC is reading the story they may have just solved all their budget problems.

  16. “#12 June 30, 2011 at 10:23 am
    Ladue Pundit commented: ”

    The Ballwin cop sounds like the ones in Selma, Texas. The Selma courthouse is now a Hooters.

  17. every time odumbass comes on TV I filp him off….is that so wrong?????

  18. #17: every time odumbass comes on TV I filp him off….is that so wrong?????

    Look……….he flipped you back. No seriously, I would demand they call Obama to explain that is now acceptable behavior. Think how many times we have seen it do it. Just tell the court you were acting presidential.

  19. Obviously this is a bogus charge, but I learned the hard way that flipping off other drivers can lead to some bad situations. As a young woman, I flipped off a guy who was tailgating me and other drivers on a bridge. As he came up on my right, I flipped him off. He sped up, swung over in front of me, and then slammed on his brakes. Hard. I had to come to a stop so quickly I could smell my brakes burning. Thankfully I didn’t hit him. He was a nutcase, no doubt, but from then on I have never flipped anyone off, except below the dashboard.

  20. What would have happened in the 50s in such a situation? The cop would have given that rude and obnoxious driver not only a ticket, but a beat down as well for his lack of Christian courtesy.



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