Unreal… The Story Changes Again – No Shots Were Fired on SEALs Inside the House

Worst. Communication. Screw-Up. Ever.
Team Obama has changed the story again…

Yesterday, the head of the CIA admitted that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.

So it’s not clear what they were watching…
The White House released this photo of the security team watching the raid on the Osama compound in Abbottabad. Now we know the feed was not working.

(White House website)

Now they say no shots were fired on the SEALs from inside the house at Osama’s compound.
The New York Times reported:

The new details suggested that the raid, though chaotic and bloody, was extremely one-sided, with a force of more than 20 Navy Seal members quickly dispatching the handful of men protecting Bin Laden.

Administration officials said that the only shots fired by those in the compound came at the beginning of the operation, when Bin Laden’s trusted courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, opened fire from behind the door of the guesthouse adjacent to the house where Bin Laden was hiding.

After the Seal members shot and killed Mr. Kuwaiti and a woman in the guesthouse, the Americans were never fired upon again.

This account differs from an official version of events issued by the Pentagon on Tuesday, and read by the White House spokesman, Jay Carney, which said the Seal members “were engaged in a firefight throughout the operation.”

When the commandos reached the top floor, they entered a room and saw Osama bin Laden with an AK-47 and a Makarov pistol in arm’s reach. They shot and killed him, as well as wounding a woman with him.

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  • Granny

    Like I said – the Seals are being set up to take a big fall for the Obama regime’s political agenda.

  • Mark1957

    What’s next, “The Navy Seals shot pool at a bar in Virginia Beach” ?

  • mg4us

    Obama is trying to discredit the Navy Seals because they are getting all the accolades when he thinks it should be him. . .

    Obama. . all about me, me, me. .oh and Angry Big Mama too!

    Obama — An American Zero if ever there was one.

    Incompetent, Inept, Inexperience and now Inexcusable and Ineffective

  • Freeway

    Granny has it right.. the Seals are going to some how become the “Bad guys” when this is all said and done… this is horrible.. I salute the men and women of our military.!!!!!

  • Ginger
  • RedBeard

    The White House is being run by the same kind of people who ran Animal House. But these jerks are not amusing in the slightest.

  • workingclass artist

    smells like a set up….

  • Neo

    Regarding the UBL “mansion” …

    Asked why they had not checked out a building so close a major military facility the ISI said that the compound had actually been raided when the house was under construction in 2003 when the authorities believed an Al Qaeda operative Abu Faraj Al Libbi was there. On that occasion he escaped.

    … with a known Al Qaeda link

  • Number of changes

    davidr says:
    May 4, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Just to make sure I have the story straight…

    1) There was a firefight.
    2) There was no firefight.
    3) Bin Laden was “resisting.”
    4) Bin Laden wasn’t armed. (Makes the concept of “resisting” interesting.)
    [4.a) And the newest one: the SEALS thought bin Laden was reaching for a weapon.]
    5) He used his wife as a shield.
    6) His wife was killed too.
    7) He didn’t use his wife as a shield. She ran at a SEAL who shot her in the leg, but she’s fine.
    8 ) Some other woman — the maid? — was used as a shield. By somebody. Downstairs.
    9) That other woman — downstairs — was killed.
    10) Maybe not. She was killed unless she wasn’t — and who was she, anyway?
    11) Bin Laden’s son was killed.
    12) Unless it was some other guy.
    13) Bin Laden’s daughter saw him get killed. She’s undoubtedly traumatized, poor dear.
    14) They were going to capture Bin Laden until the problem with the helicopter, which was:

    …..A) It had mechanical trouble
    …..B) It did a hard landing
    …..C) It crashed
    …..D) It clipped a wall with a tail rotor, effectively a crash

    15.) They were never going to try to capture him; it was always a kill mission.
    16.) No, it wasn’t.
    17) The chopper blew up.
    18) The SEALs blew it up.
    19.) Panetta said yesterday the world needed proof and the photo would be released.
    20.) Obama said today in an interview he taped with Steve Kroft for “60 Minutes” to be broadcast Sunday that it won’t be released. It’s too gruesome, would offend Muslim sensibilities (something he worries about a lot — I personally do not give a warm fart on a wet Wednesday about Muslim sensibilities), and how would Americans feel if Muslims released pictures of dead Americans?
    21.) Kroft — who’s not a total idiot — pointed out that ever since “Black Hawk Down” days, Muslims have been doing precisely that, filming American bodies being dragged through the streets, filming Daniel Pearl’s head being cut off, filming any and everything.
    22) Obama gets pissed at CBS, the tape gets cleaned up, that question disappears. (Inside info.)
    23.) We got a “treasure trove” of stuff from hard drives, etc.
    24.) There were no phone lines, and no internet access at the “mansion,” they didn’t even have TV — what “treasure trove?”
    25.) There is obviously in the pictures of the place a large satellite dish. I guess they used it for making salads.
    26.) And now, just today: apparently the idea was to capture him, but only if he was naked. There was a suspicion he might be wearing a suicide bomber type explosive vest, or belt. So if he’s not naked and you can’t see if he has a vest on or not – shoot him.
    27) The administration watched a live video feed of the operation.
    28) There was no live video feed of the operation.
    29) Osama is in no way a Muslim nor a leader.
    30) We must show Osama the respect we’d show any Muslim leader.

    via Weasel Zippers

  • Trialdog

    Lying is leftist standard operating procedure. It is hardwired in their DNA because everything they do is subversive. Thus, even when they accidently do something to be proud of, they cannot tell the truth about it. They do not know what objective truth is. They are sociopaths.

  • Are they setting up the SEALs to take the fall on this? As absurd as it sounds…it is plausible with this admin…

  • Blacque Jacques Shellacque

    Worst. Communication. Screw-Up. Ever.

    Obama’s bunch is the worst ever, PERIOD.

  • Mahdi Al-Dajjal

    So then it is abundantly clear that Obama broke international law by murdering an unarmed citizen of a foreign country on their own soil. Great! Now we can expect foreign countries to start murdering US ctizens on US soil. Thanks Barack!

  • “shot and killed Mr. Kuwaiti”

    Ah, the vaunted sophistication and worldliness of the NYT…

    “al-Kuwaiti” means “the Kuwaiti” as in “he was born and raised in Kuwait”.

  • donh

    Obama makes a forgery of the most significant news story of our generation …and yet nobody dare question his birth certificate is a forgery ?

  • Valerie

    #5

    No video feed? Good.

    I have no concern for terrorist feelings whatsoever. I think we all ought to talk about the fact that we are using DOGS to hunt terrorists, and that some Somalis are glad to know we have put an end to Bin Laden’s evil.

    I wish this administration had had the good sense and cojones to let the President’s initial statement stand, and then stfu. Because that didn’t happen, the next best thing is to take what advantage can be had from the cloud of dust kicked up by all the conflicting stories and look like the keystone cops, entertaining and appalling the whole world while our heroes roll up the network. It’s distasteful to me to do it this way, but if we can get ’em on our screens and in our sights while they are laughing, so be it.

  • Ginger

    There is a poll going on at Fox right now if you are for or against seeing the pictures of the dead terrorist Bin Laden. Right now the No’s are way ahead of the Yes’s.

  • the entire administration does what their hero does. open their mouth when they don’t know what the hell they are talking about. after this fiasco will anybody ever believe another word the media says about the myth. obama must be the dumbest smart guy in history.

  • JoeyO

    ahhhh, okay, so let’s see….

    “OBAMA IS A MURDERER!!!!!!!”

    “HANG THE WAR CRIMINAL OBAMA!!!!!!!!”

    “WHEN ARE THE SEALS GOING TO VISIT THE OBAMA HOUSE????”

    I mean, after-all, that’s exactly what this news means, right? I think thats how the rules went for Bush at least…

  • Capn Angus

    If Obama tries really hard maybe he can get these Seals in the docket at the Haque by Friday.

  • i think all those people were watching the same screen yet everyone saw something different. “o what a tangled web we weave when set out to decieve.”

  • jwyatt03

    Disgraceful that our brave warriors have to serve under such incompetents. We really owe them a debt of gratitude for holding their noses and doing their duty.

  • donh

    I believe Obama is such a disaster people are blowing off his directives. The mission was to capture Bin Laden, and put him in a cell next to KSM for Eric Holder to pardon. Once inside the compound, the seals yanked the live feed , took that vacume cleaner in OBL’s bed room and stuck the hose up OBL’s a**, yanked his beard, flagellated and killed him….then fed Obama disinformation about what went down. There is a significant mutany taking place in our government.

  • lakewriter

    What in hell is going on? Changes in reporting are being made in nano-seconds – and each one makes us look worse and worse. What in hell is going on????????

  • Granny

    #
    #24 May 5, 2011 at 10:04 am
    lakewriter commented:

    What in hell is going on? Changes in reporting are being made in nano-seconds – and each one makes us look worse and worse. What in hell is going on????????
    __________

    Manufactured to make us look criminal in the eyes of the world and force us to “submit” to that international court that President Bush refused to sign the treaty for.

  • SeniorD

    First of all, the moniker is SEa Air Land (SEAL) NOT Seals (those are those quite little aquatic animals). Get it straight or don’t use it.

    Now the megalomaniac in the White House is drawing attention to himself and not on the heroes that finally took Terrorist Target #1. Of course, he would have led the team into the compound, enter into single hand to hand combat and defeated the living abortion known and bin Laden. However, due to previous commitments, he could not get away. Thus, he had to build the training recreations, develop the entire plan, train the team, teach the pilots how to fly their helicopters and load the ammunition into the team’s weapons. That the team didn’t get everything right, President M.T. Suit (in his role as Queen of Hearts) shouts “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!” to placate the unplacatable Muslim community.

    If those SEALs go to trial, Obama may as well start packing the White House china. No way will this country tolerate persecution of heroes.

  • Havok

    I do not trust Obama…and wouldn’t put it past him..or the Al-Qaeda’s BFF Eric “the Terrible” Holder trying to convict one or more..

    The Navy Seals did what they needed to do..to protect the safety of the guy to their left and right.

    Bin Laden was reportedly (By terrorist we captured) always wearing a suicide vest…so the Navy Seals, didn’t take any chance of Bin laden reaching for a detonator for a vest..or even the whole complex for that matter…& shot him in a manner ensuring he couldn’t do that…

  • wow

    #1 May 5, 2011 at 9:05 am
    Granny commented:

    O.K. time for a full out writing and telephone campaign to our (spineless) “representatives” to get up off their well-paid asses and protect our military — this is beyond the pale. Granny’s right, they are setting up the SEALs to take the fall.

  • Granny

    #27 May 5, 2011 at 10:09 am
    Havok commented:

    Bin Laden was reportedly (By terrorist we captured) always wearing a suicide vest…so the Navy Seals, didn’t take any chance of Bin laden reaching for a detonator for a vest..or even the whole complex for that matter…& shot him in a manner ensuring he couldn’t do that…
    ____________

    I might buy that if he was wearing a flak jacket in his bedroom, but that is unlikely attire. More likely he was wearing the loose cotton pajama type garments typical of Pakistani men – which are usually white. Hard to believe that a trained observer would not be able to distinguish a bulky suicide vest on a skinny guy in thin white pajamas. Sorry, not buying it.

  • Obama just couldn’t wait until the next day to hold a proper press conference with solid information about what actually happened- and then do what the Navy SEALs commander did and tell his people to not say a word. Instead he and his cronies rushed out to dominate the news cycle with exaggerated and embellished stories intended to enhance Obama’s mystique.

    And now the brilliantly executed raid to kill Bin Laden has been overshadowed by the repulsive Sharia-compliant funeral and the WH’s bungled, farcical handling of releasing information and then correcting it with further releases.

    Instead of “an elite team of US SF troops killed Bin Laden, this is a great day for America, details of the operation are not being discussed so as not to harm future missions” they just can’t stop making fools of themselves- and in the process feed a hundred conspiracy theories that OBL is still alive. It’s a bad, bad joke. These are, don’t forget, the same people running the most powerful nation on Earth. That they’re turning a coup like killing Bin Laden into such a mess should tell you everything you need to know about their competence.

  • olm

    That’s absolutely correct. There is no way the American People will stand for the SEALS being thrown under the bus and Holder is not done yet taking away our guns.
    What a quandry for IWonWTF.
    I’d be very nervous right now if I were Panetta unless he and HC have something up their sleeve which is not outside of the possibilities.
    I think it now is a slam dunk that there has never been such incompetence in the WH. Even if you believe that Obama is the Manchurain Candidate and Jarrett is an Iranian spy, or some such variation on the theme, they are still incompetent.
    Even if this is the reincarnation of Saul Alinsky, they are still incompetent.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    So….when’s The Puppet going to be speaking at Ground Zero today?

    And, boy, I bet the La Raza types are pretty upset today. All the news is about Osama, and it’s their Cinco de Mayo Reconquista day, when they would usually command the attention of the entire MSM with their racist antics.

    I still bet that by tomorrow, we’ll see more than one story about how little Johnny had to remove his American flag shirt because it might offend some Mexican barbarians in his school.

  • Granny

    #31 –

    Nobody said that a Manchurian Candidate had to be competent Olm. As a matter of fact, great incompetence would make a better Manchurian Candidate I think. Makes it easier to FUBAR the country – the primary aim of a Manchurian Candidate.

  • Mama Lion

    Comment removed by Moderator.

    This is your final warning.

    -Lady Liberty-

  • Granny

    #34 Mama Lion –

    Lady Liberty has had stern warnings up. You need to be VERY careful about what you say, particularly as regards your first paragraph.

  • donh

    #32 Obama’s victory lap at Ground Zero is more like Grand Funk’s performance of the mutany song ” I’m Your Captain” at Shea Stadium…. http://youtu.be/Am1D_JYjnp8

  • Thankfully the SEALS can shoot straight, are decisive and perform as a well-disciplined competent team despite the bungling clown act that is calling the shots back in the Oval Office.

  • olm

    34, Agree with Granny. You’d best temper your comments.

  • cal rifkin

    He wants the responsibility and not the blame…and 200 million jihadists gunning for him.

  • Faye

    So all those people watching the same screen were really watching the ….oh say the Super Bowl game?
    This is really getting beyond stupid on how this administration is publicly showing it’s split personality. They cry that anything aggressive that the previous administration did are war crimes and they turn around and up the ante by invading an allied country and bringing the #1 terrorist to swift justice . These libtards just can’t live with themselves for doing or rather ordering the right, practical thing to be done.
    Afraid Granny is going to be proved right. However how are the libtards going to reconcile that with their screams about the Bush administration…. that Bush and company should be tried for war crimes. Doesn’t it also mean that if they prosecute these fine, brave, self sacrificing heroes the ones who gave the order should also be prosecuted?
    Oh, silly me….. that actually makes sense and nothing coming out of this WH makes any sense.
    The part that has me concerned is if these horrible leaders in this administration betray these heroes just what will happen next?

  • Valerie

    Might as well just sit back and watch the spin cycle go completely out of control.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/04/bin-ladens-daughter-he-was-taken-alive-then-shot-in-front-of-the-family/

    It’s gotten so far now, somebody is claiming that bin Laden’s guards were unarmed.

  • Taqiyyotomist

    Re: MamaLion’s comment: go find another blog on which to practice your pathetic Moby skills.

  • Redlite

    May God bless the Seals. What a magnificent bunch! Any one of them has more character than their CINC. They follow orders, period. It appears that they are being set up to take the blame for this OP.
    Barry the Muslim doesn’t want to take the blame for killing another Muslim! And will do everything he can to vote present on this whole debacle.

  • Speaking Clearly

    The Navy Seals are heros. These guys never knew if this would be their last mission or not, but they willingly served.

    You never know what you are going to encounter behind a breached door. If I was a a raid for Bin Laden…on this type of mission….he would have been shot dead…armed or not.

    War isn’t Fair.

    I don’t care what the White House lets leak out about the story…our Military is the finest…and we are proud of them.

    God Bless the U.S. Navy Seals, and Six.

  • Granny

    #43 May 5, 2011 at 10:30 am
    Redlite commented:

    May God bless the Seals. What a magnificent bunch! Any one of them has more character than their CINC. They follow orders, period. It appears that they are being set up to take the blame for this OP.
    Barry the Muslim doesn’t want to take the blame for killing another Muslim! And will do everything he can to vote present on this whole debacle.
    _____________

    You want to know the one GOOD thing from this fiasco? They’re going to have a heck of a time prosecuting the SEALS involved for murder because there IS NO BODY – and no untainted proof that there ever was one!

  • Taqiyyotomist

    #44 S.C.

    AMEN to that!

  • Capn Angus

    senior d relax
    any one who served knows “SEAL” is an acronym. The vast majority here fully support them, but we’re typing it Seal because we’re lazy. Don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill there big guy…
    &
    I hope you’re not so blind as to think my comment about them being brought to the Hague wasn’t sarcasm.

  • lorne

    photo’s will prove osama was shot from behind in the back of the head with the bullet exiting through the front.

  • Capn Angus

    Here here Taq…
    There sure are a lot of Organizing for America Moby’s around lately. It’s noticeable on very conservative site I go to.

  • Alana

    21.) Kroft — who’s not a total idiot — pointed out that ever since “Black Hawk Down” days, Muslims have been doing precisely that, filming American bodies being dragged through the streets, filming Daniel Pearl’s head being cut off, filming any and everything.
    22) Obama gets pissed at CBS, the tape gets cleaned up, that question disappears. (Inside info.)

    I hate this part.

  • This is becoming embarrasing for US, these idiots can’t get anything straight….God Bless our wonderful seals hope this isn’t the case their being set-up to take the fall for these idiots .

  • Capn Angus

    @ Lorne
    –“photo’s will prove osama was shot from behind in the back of the head with the bullet exiting through the front”–

    & A smart bomb would have hit Osama in the chest ?
    Do you know what it means to be declared a target of opportunity in a time of War?
    FDR knew what it meant when we took out Yamamoto.
    No your history troll…

  • Taqiyyotomist
  • No Man

    #34 and everyone else: Put the anger to better use and spend the energy 24/7 and get behind nominating, funding and working for the best candidate to replace Obama.

    Here are two important news items:

    “New U.S. claims for unemployment aid unexpectedly rose last week to touch their highest level in eight months, pushed up by factors ranging from spring break layoffs to the introduction of an emergency benefits program, a government report showed on Thursday.” Maybe the recovery is kaput.

    Recovering Chilean economy expanded at record pace in March. The difference compared to the US: Chile is taking a free market approach.

  • Joanne

    I imagine the Seals will be charged with war crimes before we know it.

  • lorne

    #52 again all I said was the photo’s will prove he was shot from behind through the head. After the adminstration said he was shot from the front. I made no judgement on the morality of this. Please dont read into post and atribute things that are not said or implied.

  • Vixen
  • Granny

    #54 – Same with the German economy No Man.

    I don’t think there ever was a recovery. I think they managed to blind most people to that fact, but you simply cannot hide the inflation at the grocery store and gas pumps anymore, the employment situation has not improved and there is another huge round of mortgage defaults in progress. I think they simply cannot gin the statistics anymore.

  • bobdog

    Oh, it’s OK, fellas. bin Laden probably wasn’t killed after all. He’s, uh, just pinin’.

    And we, uh, were never there. We, uh, would never do such a barbaric thing. Bin Laden will be along any time now. Trust us.

    And the Justice Department is trying to work out a plea arrangement with the members of Seal Team 6, who were never there, promising of minimal jail time, dishonorable discharges and loss of pay and grade, in exchange for a total gag agreement.

    The White House will have no further comment on the matter. It’s an election year.

  • TiminPhx

    It’s the fog of war.

    It’s reporters making up the story to have something to report, based upon their own imagination, miscommunication, lousy sources caught up in trying to spin, and just speculation being turned into reporting.

    But in the end a bad guy was killed by some honest to god heroes.

    Let’s not be, in this case like the unpatriotic democrats in trying to pick flycrap out of pepper and focus on what the Intell/Troops did (in large measure thanks to Bush Policies).

    Yes, I know the Whorish Press would never let Republicans skate on any of this, but let’s not urinate over one of our military’s best victories ourselves.

  • Speaking Clearly

    For an Obama Administration official, to “LEAK” this kind of information, just shows they are hypocrites when it comes to our military.

    They leaked photos of prisoners being harrassed. They leaked this…but they wont leak death photos of Bin Laden, showing our enemy what happens to them, when they mess with the USA.

    I don’t think Obama is going to do very well with the military vote in 2012.

    The American people know that the Navy Seals are heros, that were risking their lives on a mission like this going in.

    Nothing that White House officials say…will take away from this.

  • Rock

    Granny @ #1 nails it. Damn I’m so tired of this POS and his henchmen crapping all over our service members. I trust those who serve far more than those within the Beltway. If the Joint Chiefs let this go unabated they have turned their back not only on those they lead, but the Nation they took an oath to defend.

    On a slightly different note why has no one explained to the nation, that those skilled in the art of War use the cry of Geronimo as a salute to bravery and greatness. No slight was intended to our Native Americans. Airborne troops use the cry as they jumped from a perfectly good aircraft into combat as many others as they face danger, much like the Lets Roll made famous by Todd Beamer during 911. (sorry to go here if someone has already done so. and I missed it)

  • Ann

    On one issue the White House has been conspicuously consistent. They remain entirely mum about the whereabouts of Evil Bert. Was he in the compound? Was he killed or captured? Is he currently in some secret interrogation center getting the stuffing beat out of him?

    I demand an answer! Where is Evil Bert!

  • Granny

    #62 – Rock, you did a great job explaining Geronimo! and nobody else has remarked on that. Trust me, American Indians are not upset and are long aware of the tradition. (Remember those Code Talkers?) It is the politically correct crowd that is up in arms.

    A few years back I had the opportunity to see a Navajo friend in concert at a very liberal Eastern College. Probably the single best known American Indian musician in the world, he stated to the packed house “Every one of us here that was born in the US is a Native American. I am an American Indian, a member of the Navajo tribe.”

  • daryl

    Osama getting his ticket punched doesn’t even pay a month’s interest on this debt.

    America Attacked 9 1 1

    http://attacked911.tripod.com/

    Asleep, awake, armed, unarmed, conscious, or unconscious. It matters not one damn to me.
    But I would still like to KNOW FOR POSITIVE the bastard was dead.

  • Granny

    #
    #61 May 5, 2011 at 10:58 am
    Speaking Clearly commented:

    I don’t think Obama is going to do very well with the military vote in 2012.

    _________

    Speaking Clearly, perhaps you missed the fact that much of the military effectively has no vote. A number of states sent out their absentee ballots too late for the military to even receive them and Eric Holder’s “justice” department has refused to go after them for violation of the law.

  • Mike W

    Was wondering how FDR handled the Doolittle raid on Tokyo compared to obamas handling of the osama raid. Came across this excellent article.http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/36143
    FDR was farther left then obama ,but when it came to dealing with Americas enemies he let them have it with both barrels,obama lets them have it their way.

  • “photo’s will prove osama was shot from behind in the back of the head with the bullet exiting through the front.”

    War criminal shot while trying to escape. No problem there.

  • The next “clarification” will be that the Seals didn’t shoot him at all: he committed suicide … just like his hero, Hitler.

  • Granny

    #67 Mike W –

    What, exactly, is your basis for the statement that FDR was farther left than Obama? I find that really hard to swallow and would love to see some basis for that.

  • scituate_tgr

    Faye commented: “So all those people watching the same screen were really watching the ….oh say the Super Bowl game?”

    Nope – Celebrity Apprentice. Hillary’s reacting the LaToya being brought back a week after being fired and added to team Backbone. (Ya I watch it…sue me.)

    For me, the timing was all about knocking Holder’s testimony regarding Project Gunrunner off the radar. That, is a time-bomb I hope Issa will ignite very, very soon.

  • Rock

    Granny # 64 thanks for that.

    I’m so proud of our service member and their efforts and sacrifices that it hurts that I cannot do more to salute them. The conduct of those in DC, especially those on the Left is so despicable that I lack the words to express myself, other than to say I see in them the same hate for American as see in Somalia as a American service member was dragged thru the streets.

  • JoeyO

    @Granny 70

    I can see the conclusion when most of the NewDeal was either ruled unconstitutional or shut down because it was little more then Communist Control and Recruitment Centers FDR had set up.

  • Granny

    #73 May 5, 2011 at 11:25 am
    JoeyO commented:

    @Granny 70

    I can see the conclusion when most of the NewDeal was either ruled unconstitutional or shut down because it was little more then Communist Control and Recruitment Centers FDR had set up.
    ____________

    Seeing the conclusion is not exactly the same as demonstrating where you came to that conclusion. Certainly most scholars agree that the New Deal was inspired by communism, but I don’t see how that makes FDR any more left than Obama. He simply had more opportunity and far less opposition that Obama has had, thanks in large part to the instant information age. Never forget that both of Obama’s parents, his stepfather and both of his maternal grandparents were known communists. FDR was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Obama was born wearing red diapers. He drank communism with his mother’s milk.

  • wanumba

    We have to remind ourselves that the Obama Administration is nothing but lawyers who know damn well what they are saying would not hold up in a court of law. We’ve been slipped thru Reuters some photos of dead guys no one recognizes and have to accept without any proof that the pix are from that raid, and that whoa… if you think these are gruesome, you should have seen the pix of Bin La… oh, well you can’t handle that so ….

    We have NO IDEA when or where those photos were taken. If Obama gave the order, then they knew EVERYTHING they needed to explain in an organized manner to the public after the raid. But noo.

  • Granny

    #75 Wanumba –

    Actually we DO have some reasonable idea of when the Reuters pics were taken – they are time and date stamped. Yes, such a thing can be faked, but I’m sure somebody or other would have long since been screaming that the time/date doesn’t match the header information in the pic file long since if it had been.

  • No Man

    #70 and #73: Neither FDR nor OBL were/are working for economic recovery. They were/are working to replace the private sector economy with something that did/will NOT work.

    And, Granny’s 100%+++ correct. OSAMA-WORSHIPPING liars can hide unemployment. Only the one-in-six “feel” that pain. We all get “creamed” by food/fuel inflation; destructive regulations reducing supplies (fuel – no drilling); interest rates coming soon; etc.

  • AuntieMadder

    #1 May 5, 2011 at 9:05 am
    Granny commented:

    Like I said – the Seals are being set up to take a big fall for the Obama regime’s political agenda.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That’s what I thought as I was reading the post.

  • greenfairie

    The WH doesn’t have the guts to admit this was a Mossad-style operation. Now, I’m down with Mossad-style operations. That’s the way you have to fight these mo-fos. The Israelis figured that out a long time ago. But this has been like watching the Keystone Kops co-star in a Rambo film where the hero isn’t played by Sylvester Stallone but by Alan Alda.

  • Interesting

    Ginger commented:

    There is a poll going on at Fox right now if you are for or against seeing the pictures of the dead terrorist Bin Laden. Right now the No’s are way ahead of the Yes’s.

    ===

    That is because they all listen to Glenn Beck who is so desperate to appear reasonable and “non-birther” he will compromise all reality and the need for any evidence whatsoever not only on the “birther” issue but anything else which may seem “unreasonable” to the left. He says he believes it and needs no further proof of this, just as he placed no stock in the “birther” issue while 65 percent of the population had serious issue with it. Beck has become irrelevant to the debate by compromising so much – he is even willing to give up his program and leave the air for them, as he has announced. YET, those who listen to him follow his lead. THAT is why they all vote for having “belief” in OBL’s death instead of demanding the FACTS to be released (the photos). In standing with a factless Beck (belief without proof supposedly “in the interests of national security”), they are proving themselves to be mere sheeple, not people of understanding based on fact and truth. Useful idiots.

  • CommieJuice

    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1LOUbqDvi

    No better article that I’ve read about the Obama/Osama that explains the backbone of this president, or the lack thereof.

  • SeniorD

    Cap’n Angus,

    No problemo in re: the Hague. Hope they have enough seating for 299,999,997 Americans.

    “Calm, rational discourse will solve many problems. When it can’t, you need the Marines!”

  • KOW

    That photo was taken at 4:05PM EST, supposedly 5 minutes before the raid was to take place.

  • Granny

    #83 May 5, 2011 at 12:33 pm
    KOW commented:

    That photo was taken at 4:05PM EST, supposedly 5 minutes before the raid was to take place.
    ______

    Oh good – I had come up with a rough calculation working backwards from the Reuter’s pics of an end time for the raid of 4:30 PM Eastern.

  • David Kramer

    As for Osama being unarmed-

    Will Munny adjustment-

    Well, he should have armed himself if he’s going to decorate my country with his jihad.

  • Dave-O

    Where Affirmative Action meets the Peter Principle is where you will find Barack Obama.

  • Redwine

    The CURRENT Sunday NYT magazine has as its cover story an article denigrating our great military. It’s title: A Beast in the Heart of Every Fighting Man
    http://weaselzippers.us/2011/05/05/ny-times-slanders-american-troops-as-beasts/

  • wanumba

    #79 May 5, 2011 at 11:53 am
    greenfairie commented:
    … But this has been like watching the Keystone Kops co-star in a Rambo film where the hero isn’t played by Sylvester Stallone but by Alan Alda.
    ………………..

    Ouch! Ow!!

    (and re-writing the script as they go!)

  • Mama Lion

    #42 May 5, 2011 at 10:28 am
    Taqiyyotomist commented:
    Re: MamaLion’s comment: go find another blog on which to practice your pathetic Moby skills.

    Okay, Political Correctness Police Ad Nauseaum. I was very clear that I am not whatever you call a Moby, and I’ll refer to whoever I want to in whatever terms I want to refer to them as.

    Apparently, you aren’t adult enough to handle it.

    It is people like you that makes the Race Card effective. You are the kind of person that keeps pictures of bin Laden from getting out so that victims can get closure. You are the VERY kind of person who is responsible for him getting an islamic burial at sea.

    Get over yourself and stick to the issues. Your ad hominums and effing straw men are like spitting in the wind. I am sick and tired of appeasing and kow-towing to an imaginary force of moral goats. I’ll say what I want to say. You keep plucking the PC chicken.

  • valerie

    Four days later, the only people looking good in this whole mess are the SEALs.

  • Interesting

    Ginger – one last comment worth noting about those who are gullible – a primer on how it works:

    In light of the string of the blatant falsehoods being announced by the U.S. government these days (FDA, DHS, White House, etc.) it’s interesting that so many people still believe whatever they are told by “official” sources. It brings up the question of the functioning of their brains: How could a person swallow official information so gullibly and so completely without even asking commonsense questions about the reliability or factual basis of that information?

    The Easter Bunny killed Bin Laden!

    For example, let’s say a Gullible Mind person comes across an announcement that says the Easter Bunny has killed Osama Bin Laden. The report claims that colored eggs were found near Bin Laden’s body, and there was evidence of feathers being left at the scene, which proves the Easter Bunny was there.

    Now, an intelligent, rational mind would have a lot of questions about this. For starters, rabbits don’t have feathers. And the Easter Bunny is a piece of fiction, too. On top of that, how could the Easter Bunny kill Osama Bin Laden? An intelligent person would, upon reviewing the holes in the story, be forced to conclude the story is fiction. The only logical conclusion from that is that the government is lying to them.

    A Gullible Mind person, however, would not ask whether rabbits have feathers, or whether the Easter Bunny is capable of conducting a military raid. Instead, the Gullible Mind person would first look to other confirming news sources in order to determine the reliability of the story. They would turn on the TV or surf the internet, looking for the news to be repeated through “official” sources.

    Once they found CNN, or Fox News (or Glenn Beck), or some other “official” source reporting that the Easter Bunny killed Osama Bin Laden, then that news report would instantly become “real” in their minds. Suddenly it has shifted from their mental processing queue to the “absolutely truth” part of their brain, and from that point forward, no one can question that reality in their heads.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html

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  • star thrower

    They were watching Sarah Palin’s foreign policy speech.

  • Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, once said’ you keep up your lies, even at the rick of looking ridiculous ‘ because the people are afraid of the truth and its implications. Sure sounds alot like whats happening now from this adminastation…..

  • Radegunda

    Mama Lion #89, if you don’t want any limits at all on what you say, get your own blog. Others may set whatever limits they want on their own blogs. That’s THEIR freedom of speech.

  • valerie

    #45 May 5, 2011 at 10:33 am
    Granny commented:

    BINGO! Give them no icons, no facts to chew over. Nothing but the announcement, and maybe a few well-checked bits of circumstantial evidence pointing to his identity. For example, how many of the bin Laden family are his height and suddenly missing?

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  • wanumba

    A little refresher on how much we can trust video evidence when missing the actual body:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiNiB2yVCQ&feature=related

  • ThisIsWhy

    This is why the story changes so much.
    Here’s approx 20 minutes of a video if you had time. From 36:25 through 56:44. (you can watch the full video if you want.) But this section is really alarming.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2361717427531377078#

    also, here’s more in the next video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15gqtarSDY

  • BOB

    IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH THE STORY STAYS THE SAME, THEY REALLY GOT THERE HEAD UP THERE A—–