Good Grief. Obama Took 16 HOURS to Make Up His Mind to Get Osama Bin Laden

Good grief. It took Barack Obama 16 HOURS to make up his mind to get Osama Bin Laden.

(Tom in Paine)

He had to think about it.
The Daily Mail reported:

Barack Obama kept military commanders hanging by declaring he would ‘sleep on it’ before taking 16 hours to give the go-ahead to raid Bin Laden’s compound.

Hit squads of specialist Navy Seals – who were not even told who they were preparing to capture – had practiced the mission at two reconstructions of the terror chiefs sprawling compound.

The mission looked set to be given the all clear last Thursday when analysts confirmed beyond doubt that Bin Laden was in busy town of Abbottabad in northern Pakistan.

But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think – and disappeared out of the room.

‘I’m not going to tell you what my decision is now – I’m going to go back and think about it some more,’
said Obama, according to the New York Times. He then added ‘I’m going to make a decision soon.’

The head of the CIA and other senior intelligence officers who were keen to proceed were left tense as they waited for the president’s decision.

But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared ‘It’s a go’.

Ace of Spades added this on our sleepy president:

How does the media report this? Well, relying upon those in Obama’s inner circle (that is to say, his political flunkies and spinners), we’re told this:

“But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared ‘It’s a go’.”

Why does it matter that he did this “before they could speak”? They had spoken already yesterday when they strongly, strongly urged the president to give the order, and he had decided to sleep on it.

They were only waiting on him, after all.

So, after 16 hours of vacillation, during which the operation might have been rendered a failure by intervening invents, he fist-bumps a piece of furniture and finally makes up his mind.

This is something to brag about? This is, in Howard Fineman’s words, “almost Biblical”?

Seems like a very cautious, feckless, indecisive individual delaying and delaying on critical decisions and then attempting to sound heroic when he finally does what he’s being paid to do.

That’s our Obama.

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  • “How the hell can I vote ‘present’ on this one . . .?”

  • CatoRenasci

    Well, this sounds a lot more like the Obama we’ve come to know….

  • tom in ca

    Maybe he was all wee-wee’d up.

  • Redwine

    Mark Levin is referring to this article right now.
    Please note the smallest man in the situation room: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/03/article-1383010-0BE36D9A00000578-663_634x422.jpg
    Good grief!

  • donh

    Obama was trying to buy time to send a communique message to OBL to get the hell out of there, but the military had Valerie Jarred stuffed in a closet.

  • donh

    #4 is that a paper bag or a trash can by his right knee?

  • Granny

    As I recall, Obama has a number of friends in Pakistan. He visited there at least once – his Pakistani roommate at Occidental College as I recall. (At a time when US citizens were not allowed to visit Pakistan. . . . just saying.)

    As I recall, he also has a “special” Blackberry so he can “talk to his friends” without his conversations being recorded and kept as part of the presidential record . . .

  • Granny

    #6 May 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm
    donh commented:

    #4 is that a paper bag or a trash can by his right knee?
    ________

    Blown way up it looks to be a brown paper lunch bag of the sort you get at a fast food joint.

  • Capn Angus

    As details emerge, the more I’m believing Gen David Petreus used his influence to force Obama’s hand…

    http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/did-senior-militaryintelligence-officials-overrule-president-obama-regarding-mission-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

  • Barack Hussein Obama

    I needed my beauty sleep. 54 holes of golf in one day is exhausting!

  • Redwine

    #6 May 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm
    donh commented:

    #4 is that a paper bag or a trash can by his right knee?
    __________
    Sure looks like one. LOL
    He looks bewildered.
    He was still wearing his golf shoes. Probably thought he could sneak out for his golf game. He was handed the windbreaker for the meeting.

  • retire05

    The Palestinian that Obama was friends with at Occidental went with him to New York when Obama attended Columbia. They were room mates for a while, but the story is that Obama got tired of rooming with a drug using drug dealer. His name is Sohale Saqquidi. You have to be pretty close to follow someone all the way across the continent. But alas, poor Sohale was thrown under the bus, to keep Jeremiah Wright, Jr. and Obama’s grandmother company.

    I still say that Obama looks angry in the “situation” room photos. Why would that be? Why no concern, worry, apprehension for those troops under your command? Hillary looks worried, as does Gates.

    And what’s the deal? The White House doesn’t have enough chairs so that people like Admiral Mullen, Bill Daley, John Brennan and James Clapper can sit down? Was the room so small (it looks like an oversized closet) that they couldn’t be seated not knowing how long the mission would take?

  • Ginger

    “Let me be clear…it takes time to make a decision …. because it is above my pay grade.”

  • MrGoodWench

    Whats that picture on Hillary’s keybord ?
    And why are all the computers turned off ?

  • Granny

    #9 May 3, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    Capn Angus commented:

    As details emerge, the more I’m believing Gen David Petreus used his influence to force Obama’s hand…
    __________

    Capn, I’ve seen that a couple of places today. I have a couple of problems with it, not least of which is that it is completely unattributed. Anybody can have a “long time DC source.” Also, given the Little Emperor’s propensity to make everything all about him, I very much doubt that he would have accepted being “overruled” by anyone, least of all the military. We would be seeing blood in the street (at least figuratively) over any such attempt.

    I would want to see much more before I give any credence to this. Besides, if the military was going to go for a mini-coup, which is what this would be, they might just as well go whole hog.

  • MrGoodWench
  • Redwine

    The picture on the table next to Shrillary is blurred out. I wonder if was a pic of OBL for her to use as a reference.

  • Militant Conservative

    Obama knew of OBL’s location since August 2010.

    Can we get a real leader in the WH?

    Powder is dry

  • uggy parfait

    Obama campaigned a different hope and change, and promised no more meddling, no more invasion of a soverign nation ( which this action proves), and he would get all troops out of the Middle East, because republicans are evil, losers, non-humans.

    Heay BARACK? FU 😉

    I do not belive for one monement you had one thing to do with this operation.

  • wow

    I can’t wait to hear the media spin this…. yet they crucified Bush because he took a few minutes to calmly finish reading to the children and not upset them while his transport was readied.!!!

  • Redwine

    #9 May 3, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    Capn Angus commented:

    As details emerge, the more I’m believing Gen David Petreus used his influence to force Obama’s hand…
    ____________
    This might be why Barry kicked Petreus to the top of the CIA, rather than the top of the Pentagon. What’s Barry gonna do now that Panetta just admitted that the rendition techniques yielded the hard info used to get OBL.

  • Dleifsarb Yrral

    Zero was torn. He knew his Muslim friends would be displeased, and he had no good way to know what would please the Demoncrat base. Nor had he consulted with his master(s). What would be a slam-dunk decision for somebody with his country’s interests at heart is not so simple for the ever-present master of nuance. We should be thankful that by the time the decision was in Zero’s hands, its circumstances were no longer containable. Think of it as a bonus associated with his excessive playtime.

  • TXPatriot

    They said when they released that photo that some things were blurred out for security (classified info) reasons. That’s why there’s nothing on the computers and whatever is in front of Hillary is blurred. Just FYI.

  • Andreas K.

    MrGoodWench, they’re not off. When you look at the original sized photo, you can see that they are actually on. Hillarious Hillary’s clearly shows the green LED on.

    Screens are very likely in screensaver mode. The one in front shows an orange light and is very likely in stand-by.

    The blurred photo is likely a closeup of the compound, the photo underneath seems to show the compound.

  • Andreas K.
  • sybilll

    So, President PitchingWedge had to cut his golf game short? Tough sh!t.

  • JonahVark

    White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden
    (this is a follow-up report)
    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/
    ******************************
    Comment – The above ties in with the 16 hour delay that Obama took to “think about it”, and was playing golf on Sunday just before the final raid went down. He even showed up still wearing his golf shoes in the situation room.

  • dwd
  • Deanna

    Hey you all should know why he needed those extra 18 hours. First he had to talk to Michelle, then Axelrod, then Rahm Emanuel, maybe George Soros, check his poll numbers, probably someone pointed out it would leak out no matter what he decided, and when it looked like this might actually be a positive thing for him, he finally made up his mind. Then he had some waffles.
    He didn’t care about getting Bin Laden all he cared about was what he would get out of it.

  • vamoose

    This man is dangerous. I pray he’s not in office if the button is pushed. I don’t know of any ICBM that takes 16 hours to hit its target.

  • AE

    One official interviewed on CBS called this “the gutsiest decision made by any president in recent memory” –obviously a bad case of amnesia.

  • ausonius

    Only a pipsqueaking ass needs to deliberate that long on something that to most is a no-brainer.
    This wasn’t thrown on him at the last minute, they had known since August.
    Or perhaps, if you will forgive some cynicism, he was hoping to have a more tactical time and the thought of not scoring political hay for the election was too much for him.
    The only shame though of the incident is the way this fellow attempts to take credit for what the rough men do that lesser men cannot. Had obama had his way, we would never had known about where he was living, unless you believe the terrorist arraigned, seated by his group of lawyers (who will in the future perhaps work for the justice dept), would waive his obama-sanctioned 5th amendment rights.
    I pity anyone who actually thinks the pres did anything bold or courageous. Had he not have authorized this, he would have been politically damaged beyond repair, if not impeached; because this sort of thing would not have stayed quiet.
    If they would have been wrong somehow and it was not bin laden, then no one would have ever heard of it.
    God save the US soldiers.

  • i’m praying too, we’re in greater danger than most realize.

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  • Omilu

    16 whole hours? Wow…after all the time took to build, and train at, reconstructions of Bin Ladens compoud…that last 16 hours is quite significant!

    I mean, how long you think they trained for….5-6 hours?

  • Marybel

    He is a total poser. In the WH on the taxpayers’ dime and due to some really shady connections, protecting his ME brothers. Doing what he can to tear as much of the country down in the short time he’ll be allowed, and it’s already been far too long.

  • RickS

    Yes, classic Obama. Let’s others do the heavy lifting while he goes and relaxes a bit and then comes back and takes credit for their work. In case you missed it, we have a feckless lazy fool for a president. God help us.

  • bg

    ++

    ht Capn Angus

    Did the U.S. Military Act on its Own Authority to Kill bin Laden?

    [A report which is quickly gaining traction on the web suggests that Obama did not want to take out Osama bin Laden but was overridden by senior military commanders who ordered Navy Seals to carry out the successful operation.

    Several reports lead back to Ulsterman, a writer claiming to have direct contact with a White House insider who has been revealing the machinations of the Obama regime and discord among senior executive branch officials. Ulsterman’s report of May 2, 2011 indicated that Obama and his adviser, Valerie Jarrett, did not want the military to kill Osama bin Laden and that Obama did not issue the order to do so.]

    ==

  • retire05

    The “insider” claims that the operation was already under way when Obama was pulled from the golf course and taken to the “situation” room. I don’t put much stock into anonymous sources, but it would explain two things; why Obama was not seated at the table, and why he was still in his golf garb and why he looks angry in the photo.

    But how much respect do the other people in that room have, Hillary, Bob Gates, even Joe Biden, that Obama would enter the room and one of them didn’t say “Here, Mr. President. Sit here.” offering up their own chair.

    I do know this much about the “insider”. He predicted that Emanuel would leave, long before anyone in the press had an inkling that Rahm was leaving. Same with Larry Summers. So maybe he is right about this, maybe not.

    I have said for three years that Obama is not what he is presented to be. He was basically a blank slate on which David Axelrod knew that people would project what they wanted Obama to be with the catchy “Hope and Change.” Giving the devil his due, Axelrod in one smart cookie. The problem with Obama is that he is simply disengaged. He is not really interested in the “nuts and bolts” of being president. He seems happy to be out traveling, in front of adoring crowds, but making stupid statements when he is off teleprompter. What other president can you think of that would insult a man, laughing at him, who said he drives a SUV because he has ten kids by telling him “if you want to drive something that gets 8 miles a gallen, maybe you should get a hybrid SUV” (paraphrasing here). How clueless are you to not know that the last ten years SUVs get much better milage or that hey, you may have ten kids, but you know, spend the money to buy a new hybrid. We all know that when Obama goes off script, it ain’t purty.

    Now the media is trying to control the dialog by touting that the victory for killing ObL should all belong to Obama. Sorry, that dog won’t hunt.

    Brennan claims that no information was gained by waterboarding KSM. It is my understanding that Leon Panetta just debunked that. And the story of the raid is changing every minute. Yesterday it was that Osama was armed, then he wasn’t now its that he wasn’t armed but a SEAL thought Osama was reaching for a weapon and took him out. Un-huh. That’s the story I would stick with. It was a kill mission, never a “kill or capture” mission. But I doubt we will ever know the whole truth, especially since Obama wants to be so sensitive to the feelings of global Muslims by not releasing the videos or photos of a dead terrorist.

    One thing you can say about the cowboy, George Bush; he didn’t have a problem showing the photos of a dead terrorist (al Zaquari sp?) and two dead sons of Saddam.

  • Jack

    For a sitting US President, giving the order to kill Bin Laden is a no brainer. For Christ sake! That’s the President’s job.

    Yet it takes Obama 16 hours to think it over?

    And according to the MSM Obama is a genius! Talk about setting the bar low.

    President Obama: Doing what he’s supposed to do wows his supporters. MSM equally impressed.

  • Rob

    He was initiating a military strike in a country we’re not at war with. That requires a lot of careful consideration.

    Despite your war-hawk desires, if the Pakistani military had realized there were American military helicopters in their airspace, they likely would not have been so kind.

  • Bubba Bafferson

    Hang your heads in utter shame, America. How the sweet f**** almighty could you elect a stain like that Obama loser??? Seriously, you guys should be deeply ashamed and humiliated. Take a lesson from the True North Strong and Free (uh…that would be CANADA), and behold how people with brains vote–Harper was swept into a majority last night.

    THAT’S how it’s done!! Get your sh*t together, America. We can’t afford another brain fart mistake like the one made in 08.

  • Redwine

    From the pic inside the situation room, it looks as if Barry arrived after everyone else was already seated and h had to take the last seat next to the wall.
    He probably doesn’t matter anyway.
    What a pathetic, little man-child.

  • vamoose

    “He was initiating a military strike in a country we’re not at war with. That requires a lot of careful consideration. ”

    The clock on that decision started 6 months ago and had already been made. Hence, the training for this operation in a mock up of Osama’s compound. This was the final go-no go decision.

  • USMC Thomas

    We’ll probably never know the true machinations behind the scene with regards to Pakistan, but eliminating osama rid Pakistan of a cockroach without upsetting the stability of their government if they had done so.

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  • Valerie

    “He was initiating a military strike in a country we’re not at war with. That requires a lot of careful consideration. ”

    And this story is coming out to appease his base. They will cling to the notion that he thought long and hard about this, never mind that this was the final go-no go decision.

  • Rob

    “The clock on that decision started 6 months ago and had already been made. Hence, the training for this operation in a mock up of Osama’s compound. This was the final go-no go decision.”

    The president of the most powerful nation in the world holds an amount of power that is unimaginable. This decision would have enormous consequences on history and international politics. It may have been planned for months, but its human nature to have things only become real at do-or-die time. And ultimately, he made the right decision. Anyway, it was 2/3 of a day, that’s not a lot of time to be deciding.

    People are jumping all over him for this success, which just reeks of partisanship for its own sake. I disapprove of almost all of this president’s decisions, but I think this is one thing I can perfectly stand with him on. Finally bringing justice to the victims of 9/11 should not be something people find such tiny faults with.

  • bg

    ++

    Rob #48

    guess you haven’t been counting the days since 9/11..

    heh, Obama was GOLFING while it went down, hell=O??

    hence, i don’t believe he “gave the order” to kill bin Laden, i don’t believe he “gave the order” to shoot the pirates holding the captain, i don’t believe he “gave the order” to quash his financier pal Qadaffi, the president is a fraud from head to toe, the only “orders” he gives are to “we the people” & “Republicans” & the “press”..

    he almost pulled another Clinton, but thanks to our on the ball Seals
    couldn’t, and now he’s trying to fit the reality into his narrative, gah!!

    ==

  • mg4us

    Perhaps Obama had to check with whoever is the real Puppet-master pulling on his strings (same one who rights all his speeches) – – The Teleprompter-in-Chief!!!

    . . unless Obama really is as incompetent, Inept, and Inexperienced as people believes him to be.

    If it were Bush, it would have been done last August or shortly there after. . .one does not hesitate when they know what is right in their heart. . .but since OBAMA and his nasty wife never really loved America, he hesitates.

    2012 can’t come soon enough! No hesitation then voting him OUT!!

  • Deanna

    Sorry Rob, but if he did take an extra 16 hours, which I don’t see why he needed to do that he had all the intel, that would have been enough time for Bin Laden to escape. So yes, it was alot of time to be deciding. Presidents have to do this, or at least most do.
    And no this won’t have enormous consequences on history at all. Bin Laden will probably be replaced and there will still be Muslim extremists hating and destroying. The only significance of this is to the American people. It gives us some closure. But trust me, it will be a very small blip in the history of mankind.
    I am glad he did it or at least Panetta did it. But I’m not going to quit criticizing the way it was done.

  • bg

    ++

    correction re: #49

    hes’ trying to spin his narrative into reality..

    ==

  • vamoose

    Rob,
    I am quite pleased the mission was successful and I am glad the president consented to the operation. My point is that this president is dangerously naive and irresolute. The time spent by Obama in making this decision is not indicative of careful consideration, but inexperience. He may well have missed the moment to act. This is not nitpicking, but a rather blatant pattern of behavior with Obama.

  • Rob

    “guess you haven’t been counting the days since 9/11..

    heh, Obama was GOLFING while it went down, hell=O??”

    How is that first part relevant? Obama was not considering whether or not to risk an international incident starting in 2001. He was considering it since earlier that week. It’s hard to say Obama was considering it for ten years, when he’s only been in office for 2 and a half.

    As for the second part, he was golfing BEFORE it went down, but pictures show he was in the Situation Room watching the live feed with the rest of his cabinet. I absolutely detest how much time he spends golfing, but he still ordered the attack that got Bin Laden, which I applaud him for. Doubting he actually made the order is an absurd conspiracy theory. What proof is there that he didn’t?

  • BurmaShave

    Obama had a clear-cut opportunity to show that he could make a clear-cut decision; and he showed in a clear-cut manner that he simply can’t.

  • there is no way obama WANTED to get osama.

  • David Kramer

    He had more than 16 hours to think about this. Last August they had found the compound. So he has been thinking about it for months.

    This guy has to be gone next election. Has to.

  • bg

    ++

    ps re: #49

    if Clinton hadn’t passed up taking custody of Osama when he was
    offered to US in the Sudan, or any of the other 8-10 opportunities
    he passed up, there may not have been a 9/11..

    ==

  • Joanne

    Obama probably had to think about how this would affect his chances of retaining POTUS for another term – I guess he thought it would work in his favour.

  • bg

    ++

    Rob #54

    oh i plum forgot, BHO was only how old
    when that went down?? /duh-fuh sarc/

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    16 HOURS!!

    and he had to cut dis GOLF GAME short..

    SYMPATHY CARD IF THERE EVER WAS ONE..

    he pulls his “poor me” aftermath crap like clockwork.. gah!!

    ==

  • bg

    ++

    correction re: #49

    he was playing golf while it SUPPOSEDLY went down..

    ==

  • AuntieMadder

    But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think – and disappeared out of the room.

    ‘I’m not going to tell you what my decision is now – I’m going to go back and think about it some more,’ said Obama, according to the New York Times. He then added ‘I’m going to make a decision soon.’

    Then he got on his personal Blackberry, one of the first “unprecedenteds” of this presidency, and asked his boss, the shadow POTUS, whoever that may be, if s/he wanted him to give the go-ahead.

  • That 3 a.m. phone call’s a real bitch, even with months to prepare for the ringing.

    Obama’s comfort zone is voting ‘Present!’ He is the most disgusting President in my lifetime, and I survived Carter and Johnson, and was born during Ike’s first term.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think we did the right thing in taking out Osama, but if Bush had launched a raid into Pakistan, killed Obama, then dumped the body into the sea, the media and the lefty Code Pinko crowd would be hollering to beat the band about abuse of presidential power, of violating another country’s sovereignty, of risking this Nation another war for being so aggressive. The Truthers would have been out as well, claiming it never happened. But Obama gets a pass on all those issues. Funny that.

    16 hours. Quite a long ‘My Pet Goat’ moment for Sir Golfsalot if you ask me. And that’s not including the months he was aware the matter might come to a head and require a decision. Quite a bit different than Bush’s 15 minute delay in that classroom on 9/11, a delay for which he was riciduled mercilessly.

  • He did this to make certain his military commanders knew HE was in charge, not them.

  • Granny

    #48 Rob “People are jumping all over him for this success.”

    What success is that Rob? I don’t see any success at all. I see an event that he either deliberately waited a week to use to belittle someone he sees as an enemy (Donald Trump) or so ill planned that he is trying to pass of as OBL being identified by near instant DNA, something that would be impossible. I see an event about which this regime has told 5 entirely different stories in a mere two days, changing virtually every detail of the story. I see what can be described only as an inordinate rush to deep-six the body of the individual involved, thereby eliminating any possibility of further investigation of ID.

    What I see isn’t success. It is at best a PR and communications nightmare and at worst the biggest tall tale the American people have been spoon fed in many a decade.

  • PJH

    What is wrong with you people? Why are you so surprised? Tell me one thing Hussein Obama did or said that was not questionable.

  • Gimme a Break

    15 hours, 58 minutes into the decision-making process:

    Obama: “If I can sink this putt, we go get him. Whew… Missed.”

    Panetta: “You screw up this one, Barry, I’ll shove that putter up…”

    Obama: “Okay, okay. You sound just like Michelle.”

  • Rob

    “What success is that Rob?”

    The success is that the man who killed 3000 Americans is dead. THAT success.

    And don’t pretend like Bush didn’t pass up an opportunity to get Osama like Clinton did, bg #58.

    I’m not saying Obama is suddenly a wonderful president. He’s not– he’s still a terrible, terrible one. But this is not a blight on him, like everything else he does is. We can celebrate the death of a terror mastermind without suddenly thinking Obama is the messiah he thinks he is. I’m not going to defend the almost immediate dumping of the body or the changing of the stories, because those were extremely poor decisions and actions on behalf of this awful administration- I just believe Obama deserves some credit for this.

    On 9/12/01, people would have celebrated the death of the man who planned 9/11, and been extremely grateful to the president, no matter who he was.

  • Rob

    I tried to embed a url for that Bush passing up getting Osama, but it didn’t work. Here it is:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-surrender-bin-laden-631436.html

  • Blue

    Clearly his lack of leadership cost us the chance to snag Bin Laden.

    Oh wait.

    I suppose you must feel cheated, not having had the chance to criticize him *before* he was successful, so I guess you should get your ya-yas out now.

  • Chisum

    And don’t pretend like Bush didn’t pass up an opportunity to get Osama like Clinton did

    Rob,

    Hardly the same opportunities that Clinton passed on.

    Kabir said that if the United States gave evidence bin Laden was behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and halted the bombing, “we would be ready to hand him over to a third country” – a country, he added, that would never “come under pressure from the United States.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011014/aponline135016_000.htm

    At least two offers from the government of Sudan to arrest Osama bin Laden and turn him over to the U.S. were rebuffed by the Clinton administration in February and March of 1996, a period of time when the former president’s attention was distracted by his intensifying relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

    http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml

  • Rock

    Rob, if memory serves me correctly Clinton missed Bin Laden by just a few hours in response to the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and WTF still ops to wait 16 hours, what the hell world do you live in. Each hour new revelations of the ineptness in the Oval Office further cloud his ability to pick up the phone at 3 AM. Who the hell has control of the football WTF or V J the Iranian Co President.

  • bg

    ++

    Rob #69

    re: [And don’t pretend like Bush didn’t pass up an
    opportunity to get Osama like Clinton did, bg #58.]

    hah, i don’t have to pretend a dang thing because it’s simply not true..

    ==

  • WH insider says spineless Obama still was voting PRESENT – up to Hillary, Panetta and Gates to run the show and pull the trigger even as they prepared to take the fall for him if things went wrong

    http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

    Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack.

    The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against thecompound.

    President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission.

  • bg

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    Blue #71

    buy a clue..

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  • bg

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    Scott #75

    [Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

    A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.]

    great link, thank you..

    albeit not as great, here is another one..

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  • Buffalobob

    This will not fit in well with the progs narrative. Obama the decisive one. Quick thinker able to work under pressure. Putttttts.

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  • Rock

    Recent events seem to suggest that the American White House is occupied by the President, Vice President, and a Iranian Co-President. However these same events may not be the gold mine WTF hoped for, but the Black pit that the Spartan King Leonidas kicked the Persian messengers into. Bye bye Valerie Jarrett, one can hope can.

  • Rob

    “hah, i don’t have to pretend a dang thing because it’s simply not true..”

    I linked it earlier. Don’t be ignorant.

  • PG

    This is absolutely the stupidest collection of writing I think I have ever had the displeasure of coming across. I am stunned by your naivety. I honestly didn’t know we had such ignorant people living in this country who hadn’t yet appeared on Jerry Springer or Fox & Friends.

    What a miserable, bitter, and truly pathetic group of people you all are, save the one guy or gal on here who actually credited the president with, you know, weighing options and the grave consequences for members of our military and this nation’s strategic interests.

    I am so glad that we live in a meritocracy where people like you will never be allowed to greatly influence the lives of others.

    And for the record, 9/11 happened 9 months into President Bush’s watch while Bin Laden was killed 2.5 years into President Obama’s term. Square that one party of personal responsibility. And one other thing, this president did exactly what he said he would do during the debates (i.e. hunt down Obama in Pakistan) and McCain and others ridiculed him for it. Oh, and one last thing, Obama killed at the White House PC Dinner on Saturday night.

  • jorgen

    Maybe you don’t kill a fellow Muslim lightly? I’ll bet the military forced his hand in the end.

  • Chisum

    PG,

    I am so glad that we live in a meritocracy where people like you will never be allowed to greatly influence the lives of others.

    Really? Is that what it’s called when our president promises to ‘spread the wealth around’, a meritocracy?

    And one other thing, this president did exactly what he said he would do during the debates

    You mean like promising to cut the deficit in half? Look how that worked out.

    Oh, and one last thing, Obama killed at the White House PC Dinner on Saturday night.

    Yep, he’s a killer with the TelePrompTer. Having a team of speech writers doesn’t hurt either. But he is good at taking credit for other people’s work.

    Mr. Sheehan’s firm, Sheehan Associates, could receive more than $100,000 under a current contract and has been providing occasional speech and consulting services to the White House since 2009, federal purchasing records show.

    According to a 2010 payroll report, the White House employs seven speechwriters earning a combined $624,200. The team is led by Jonathan E. Favreau, the director of speechwriting, who earns $172,200, according to the report, which was released by the White House. Two other senior presidential speechwriters are paid $100,000 each. A pair of presidential speechwriters are paid $75,000 each, and a speechwriter and speechwriting assistant earn $60,000 and $42,000, respectively.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/3/outsider-hired-for-obama-speeches/print/

  • #82… check out CNN or MSNBC or any of the alphabets any night of the week. you will find infinitely worst thinking from the “professionial” journalists then you will ever read hear.

  • bg

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    Rob #81

    i missed it, so please link it again, thank you..

    meantime, i linked to a couple myself, as did
    Chisum that perhaps you may have missed..

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    PG #82

    aww, you have my condolences..

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  • Rob

    bg #86 I don’t know how to turn it into a link in the words like you do, but here it is:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-to-surrender-bin-laden-631436.html

  • bg

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    adding to Chisum #72 link..

    [Before the start of the air campaign, the Taliban had demanded evidence of bin Laden’s involvement in the attack and had offered to try him before an Islamic court inside Afghanistan – proposals that the United States promptly rejected.]

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  • bg

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    Rob #88

    thanks..

    i believe Chisums link filled in the gaps..

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  • Rock

    Hey PG
    Might I suggest you tell the White House Press Secretary to stop rearranging the story, and maybe we might accept some of the parties line. Truth is the only ones Americans will trust on this are the specials op teams that are tasked with these sort of missions. Your man and his Iranian handler lack any credibility, and have a long way to go to gain it.

    Oh just a reminder if Bills handlers had not delayed him from launching the Cruise missiles because they thought it might look like he was trying to distract media outcry about his yanking his stick in the Oval Office with that woman, just maybe 911 would never have happen.

  • bg

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    btw, what was Afghanistan if not a third world country, fourth??

    there was nothing over there, nothing but horrors..

    [So, the hospitals are filthy, and there is little personnel for women. Male doctors are not allowed to treat women, so there was insufficient medical attention. Another distressing things was young girls being taught in secret schools, and the level of risk they were taking of punishment or imprisonment. Also, the number of women beggars on the streets. There are about 40,000 widows because of the conflict. Many have no menfolk to support them, and they are not able to have jobs under Taliban law. So the laws that the Taliban believe will protect women have actually driven them into the streets to beg.

    [..]

    SHAH: Yes, there is. I assume you’re talking about the gory images in the film, and those are not the ones that stay with me. The thing I keep remembering from real life is three little girls we met in the village, whose mother has been shot. The Taliban came and tried to take over their house, and the husband had already been detained, and she was alone with her children. They shot the mother, and left her body in the courtyard. The girls were traumatized and shy, but it emerged that the Taliban stayed in the house with them alone for two days, which is unthinkable in that culture. The 15-year-old was wrapped in a shawl, rocking and crying. That was very upsetting. They were upsetting.

    [..]

    SHAH: That’s two questions, really, isn’t it? The Taliban’s fundamental religious beliefs are hard to pin down, because they’re not a homogenous organizations. Many Muslims say, and I agree, that many of the Taliban don’t know much about Islam. Many are uneducated. Some are very educated. It’s a diverse group. For example, we met a woman who said that she was walking with her friend, and a group of Taliban came and beat her friend up because she was wearing white shoes, saying she’d dishonored their white flag. That’s not Islam. Many things imposed by Taliban are against Islam.

    [..]

    The other thing is that we talk of the developing world, and when I go back, I see that Afghanistan has regressed. Particularly in the cities, I see the mass trauma, I don’t know how to describe it. People are traumatized there. Everyone has someone in their family that has died. Everyone has suffered, has seen violence. Whole generations have seen nothing but war, and the effect is very dreadful on the culture as a whole, and I find it very hard to watch.]

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  • Mueller

    So I guess the infrastucture GW put in place really was necessary.
    Guess he wasn’t so stupid after all.
    and FINALLY, after sixteen hours(I’d love to have been the fly on the wall for those hours)the empty suit president makes the right decision. FINALLY.

  • Mueller

    Oh. Yeah.
    This still ain’t getting him reelected.

  • daryl

    He had to check with the SEIU shop steward to see about the overtime. Shop steward told him the surest way to get paid extra was “go slow” and put extra people on the job. And Sunday was double time. Obama momma din raise no fool, fool!

  • Jerry C

    @#48 Rob-“Anyway, it was 2/3 of a day, that’s not a lot of time to be deciding.”

    Are you serious? Here’s a movie quote to help you understand:

    Harry Stamper: And this is the best that you c – that the-the government, the *U.S. government* can come up with? I mean, you-you’re NASA for cryin’ out loud, you put a man on the moon, you’re geniuses! You-you’re the guys that think this sh*t up! I’m sure you got a team of men sitting around somewhere right now just thinking sh*t up and somebody backing them up! You’re telling me you don’t have a backup plan, that these eight boy scouts right here, that is the world’s hope, that’s what you’re telling me?

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  • Rob

    “Are you serious? Here’s a movie quote to help you understand:”

    Did you really just quote Armageddon at me? Do you see the difference between waiting less than a day to consider the ramifications of risking an international incident, and the fictional story of sending men who work on an oil rig to space to stop an asteroid?

    I have movie quotes too!! Want to one of see them?

    Prince Nasir Al-Subaai: When a country has five percent of the world’s population but does fifty percent of its military spending, then the persuasive powers of that country are on the decline.

    See how irrelevant it looks in an argument? Because it is. Because it’s a quote from a *fictional movie*.

  • bg

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    Mueller #94

    re: [the empty suit president makes the right decision. FINALLY.]

    hmmm, if the right decision is letting someone else make the
    decision, well then yah, he finally did make the right decision..

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  • bg

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    re: #100 via Scott #75 link:

    “we overruled him.”

    “persistent hesitation to act.”

    “What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound.”

    “very confused and uncertain.”

    There was not going to be another
    delay as had happened 24 hour earlier.

    Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice
    President was already “up to speed” on the operation.

    These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and
    the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing
    to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today.

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  • Jerry C

    @#99 Rob

    It’s called Parallelism. The fact you cannot learn something; be it from a parallelism, sarcasm, fictional, innuendo or whatever, just shows me how ignorant you really are.

    16 hours to make a descision concerning the world’s #1 terrorist for the past 10 years and directly informed as to the location of his whereabouts as early as 2009?

    If you truely believe that was a fair amount of time for NObama to pi$$, then you sir are a fool. I will no longer waste my time with fools.

  • James

    Wow, you people are all mind numbingly stupid. That’s really all I can say, not trying to get into a bottomless pit argument. Just the fact that you can sit there and call this mans decision making into question on such a topic, especially since you haven’t the slightest clue of all of the information, is baffling.

  • Rob

    Parallelism doesn’t apply if it doesn’t make sense. In your fictional movie, the whole world would die if they failed. Here, waiting sixteen hours obviously didn’t change things at all. Additionally your quote is about not having a backup plan, which again, obviously is not the problem in this case.

    What difference does it make that he took 16 hours? Osama died all the same. The president didn’t explode “KILL HIM KILL HIM KILL HIM” the second he heard where Bin Laden was, because he recognized that using his enormous amount of power irresponsibly could be disastrous.

  • Darth Vader

    #27, etc:
    Ulsterman is a joke. Do you believe anything he posts?

  • DemSoc

    It’s more like Jim Hoft and the right wing media are desperate and need to find anyway possible to downplay a major political victory for the President. And who published this? The Daily Mail? That’s the UK’s version of the National Enquirer you morons.

  • DemSoc

    According to Time Magazine on 5/2.

    The intelligence professionals said they did not know for sure that bin Laden was in the compound. The case was good, but circumstantial. The likelihood, officials told the President, was between 50% and 80%. No slam dunk. Obama went around the table asking everyone to state their opinion. He quizzed his staff about worst case scenarios-the possibility of civilian casualties, a hostage situation, a diplomatic blow-up with Pakistan, a downed helicopter. He was presented with three options: Wait to gather more intelligence, attack with targeted bombs from the air, or go in on the ground with troops. The room was divided about 50-50, said a person in the room. John Brennan, the President’s senior counter-terrorism adviser, supported a ground strike, as did the operational people, including Leon Panetta at the CIA. Others called for more time. In the end, about half of the senior aides supported a helicopter assault. The other half said either wait, or strike from above.

    Obama left the meeting without signaling his intent. He wanted to sleep on it. At about 8:00 a.m. on Friday, just before he boarded a helicopter that would take him to tour tornado damage in Alabama, Obama called his senior aides into the Diplomatic Room. He told them his decision: A helicopter assault.

  • Obamasmamaspajamas

    The reason the 16 hours is so important is because Wikileaks let out the info that we knew who the courier was. If Bin Squattin knew that, he could have run to another cave ( mansion)

    I guess we sure can’t call Odrama ” the decider”!!!!!!!

  • cinjeffp

    The more I read these ill-informed, idealogic, know-it-all comments the HAPPIER I am that the “decider”is finally back on the farm where he belongs and there is a thinker in the WH.

    You may all carry on with your short-sighted talking points. Good Day.

  • Sammy Nelson

    Anyone who turns this victory for America into anything other than a celebration is a partisan hack. Justice was served.

  • Wsayscoupgood

    This is truly one of the saddest gatherings of grumpy old men (and that goes for the women on this site as well). What a pathetic bunch. You have been so indoctrinated to accepting the BS OF liars and frauds also known as RepubliCon leaders that when a leader comes along and does EXACTLY what he said he was going to do it throws you brain synapsis into turmoil and you really loose all sense of reality just so you won’t have to say WELL DONE PRESIDENT OBAMA THANK YOU FOR PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY WELL DONE.

  • Wsayscoupgood

    Obama did apologize to Trump the other day at least that is what I heard….Obama said he was sorry it took so long to get his long form birth certificate released……BECAUSE HE WAS A LITTLE BIT BUSY KILLING OSAME BIN LADEN. He hopes you understand but of course he also understands why you might be annoyed. Obama said he would like to make it up to Trump by helping him make his next big decision about who to fire on Celebrity Apprentice.

  • Hugh Ben Hadd

    16 hours? It will probably come out that they have known OBL was there for a lot longer than they are saying. You have to understand that el presidente is a Beta Male. Any Alpha Male makes this decision without hesitation. A normal reaction is give an immediate go without thinking about the political cost if it fails. The back up plan stated to the team is dropping six 2000 pound bombs on the compound if the SEALS can’t get it done. I am know ones hack. I just tell it as it is.

  • geoff osborn

    I think he needed Michelle to make the decision for him. After all , that is what sleeping on it means isn’t it-talking it over with the wife.

  • Rob

    ” A normal reaction is give an immediate go without thinking about the political cost if it fails.”

    where the heck is this a normal reaction for an executive branch?

  • Sirius

    The fact is, President Obama carefully weighed the facts, evaluated the risks, made a decision, and got Bin Laden. And you guys just can’t stand it! Obama is not only the president you’ve got, he’s the president a majority of Americans want. All the armchair presidents in the room can now go back to work on their lies and conspiracy theories.

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