MASSACRE: MUSLIM TROOPS SLAUGHTER 1,000 CHRISTIANS IN IVORY COAST

(UPDATED & BUMPED)
At least 1,000 Christians were slaughtered this week in at the Salesian Saint Teresa of the Child Jesus mission in Duekoue, Ivory Coast by Muslim troops loyal to Alassane Ouattara. The state-run media has been slow to report the story.
More below…

The conflict in Ivory Coast began in 2002. The country is divided between the Muslim north and Christian south.
This is a conflict that has been brewing for years.

Troops loyal to Alassane Ouattara, the Muslim opposition leader, moved south this past week. They slaughtered 1,000 civilians in Duekoue last week. The victims were mostly men who were shot as they fled the city.
Business Week reported:

Charity workers who reached Duekoue said it appeared the killings had taken place in a single day, shortly after the town fell to troops loyal to Alassane Ouattara, the man internationally-recognised as having won last year’s presidential election.

The apparent massacre came despite the presence of United Nations troops and – if confirmed – will cast a shadow over Mr Outtara’s assumption of the Ivory Coast’s presidency after a four-month battle to oust Lawrence Gbagbo, the former president who lost the November election but refused to step down.

William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, said he was “gravely concerned” by the violence and loss of life in Ivory Coast and added: “I am determined that all alleged human rights abuses… must be investigated and those responsible held to account…

…The International Committee for the Red Cross said its staff discovered more than 800 bodies of people who were clearly local civilians. They were mainly men who had been shot and left where they fell, the organisation said, either alone or in small groups dotted around the town, which lies at the heart of Ivory Coast’s economically crucial cocoa producing region.

The charity said it had been told by locals that intercommunal violence erupted soon after Mr Ouattara’s forces took control of the town on Monday. Thousands of people left their homes to escape the fighting and an estimated 40,000 sought refuge in a nearby Roman Catholic mission’s compound. The priests who operate it are running short of food, clean water and medical equipment to treat those they say arrived with gunshot wounds.

The bodies are thought to be of those who did not reach sanctuary in time. They were killed despite 200 United Nations troops operating what it said were “robust” patrols from its base on the outskirts to protect civilians in and around the church.

Caritas reported that the massacre took place in the ‘Carrefour’ quarter of town, controlled by pro-Ouattara forces, during clashes on Sunday 27 March to Tuesday 29 March.

30,000 civilians are trapped in a Catholic church compound.

On Tuesday two towns in the west, Daloa and Duekoue, fell to Mr Ouattara’s supporters after fierce gun battles.

The fighting trapped 30,000 people in a church compound in Duekoue, missionaries said. Many reportedly had gunshot wounds but could not reach hospitals on the other side of the front line.

Mr Ouattara’s supporters also captured Bondoukou in the east and were said to be advancing unimpeded south along the Ghanaian border towards Agnibilekrou. Mr Gbagbo’s camp confirmed that they had retreated, but vowed to fight back.

UPDATE: Atlas has been predicting this.

UPDATE: The Muslim troops slaughtered several hundred Catholics at at the sprawling Salesian Saint Teresa of the Child Jesus mission in Duekou.
Herald Scotland reported:

A massacre in a Roman Catholic mission compound in the heart of the Ivory Coast’s cocoa-producing region could come to be seen as a crucial moment in the West African state’s escalating civil war.

Reports are mounting of atrocities by both sides in the conflict − those loyal to head of state Laurent Gbagbo, besieged in his presidential residence in Abidjan, Ivory Coast’s commercial capital, and those who follow northern leader and president-elect Allasane Ouattara.

Events at the Italian Salesian Roman Catholic mission in Duekoue increasingly echo a notorious church massacre during the Rwandan genocide in 1994.

Early reports suggested that more than 800 people, largely from the Gbagbo-supporting Gueré tribe, were killed in a single day at the sprawling Salesian Saint Teresa of the Child Jesus mission in Duekoue, 300 miles west of Abidjan towards the Liberian border. The attackers seem to have been largely soldiers descended from Burkina Faso immigrant Muslim families loyal to Ouattara.

Late yesterday the Roman Catholic charity Caritas said more than 1000 people were massacred in Duekoue. A Caritas spokesman said Caritas workers visited the town and reported seeing a neighbourhood filled with bodies of people who had been shot and hacked to death with machetes.

More at Libertarian Republican.

#1 April 3, 2011 at 3:40 pm
NeoKong commented:

Are we sure about who is responsible….?

Caritas does not know who was responsible for the killing, but says a proper investigation must take place to establish the truth.

Lots of people were lying dead in the streets” of Duekoue, Kelnor Panglung, a spokesman for the Red Cross in Ivory Coast, said from Abidjan. “We could see a lot, a lot, a lot of people killed. It’s truly horrific. We don’t have any information about the authors of these killings.”

The International Committee of the Red Cross said the massacre took place in the western town of Duekoue as Ouattara’s troops moved toward Abidjan to try to oust incumbent leader Laurent Gbagbo. Aid groups didn’t say who was responsible for the deaths in Duekoue

But Human Rights Watch did have this to say about Gbagbo’s forces and their recent acts.

The vast majority of abuses documented by Human Rights Watch were perpetrated by forces loyal to Gbagbo against real or perceived Ouattara supporters, notably members of political parties allied to Ouattara, as well as West African immigrants and Muslims. The documented abuses include targeted killings, enforced disappearances, politically motivated rapes, and unlawful use of lethal force against unarmed demonstrators. These abuses, committed over a four-month period by security forces under the control of Gbagbo and militias loyal to him, may rise to the level of crimes against humanity as defined by the Rome Statute, which created the International Criminal Court (ICC).

They also state that Quattara’s forces have done some bad things too but Quattara is calling for a U.N. investigation into the matter.

Ouattara’s administration called for an international investigation into the killings and denied its forces were involved in any human-rights abuses in the west of the country, according to an e-mailed statement from the Justice Ministry.

‘International Courts’

Ouattara will “ensure strict observance of human rights and bring all perpetrators of abuses against civilians to justice in national and international courts,” it said.

The UN said yesterday four of its peacekeepers were seriously wounded after coming under attack near Abidjan by forces loyal to Gbagbo, and warned troops loyal to Ouattara to “show restraint” after what the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights called “unconfirmed but worrying” reports of looting, extortion, abductions and ill treatment of civilians.

Let’s make sure we got the right guy.
#3 April 3, 2011 at 3:43 pm
bg commented:

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Blacks are being massacred all over Africa..

flashback to Kenya, where Obama’s hands are dirty for certain..

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#4 April 3, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Rancid commented:

re: “The bodies are thought to be of those who did not reach sanctuary in time. They were killed despite 200 United Nations troops operating what it said were “robust” patrols from its base on the outskirts to protect civilians in and around the church. ”

Robust? The United Nations peacekeepers, robust? These are the same ‘peacekeepers’ who have secured southern Lebanon from Hezbollah reasserting control on Israel’s northern border? My guess is they were ‘robustly’ looking for little girls to rape and homes to pillage.

#5 April 3, 2011 at 4:00 pm
bg commented:

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this has ben going on for over a decade.

flashback to 2000:

Mob Attacks Quattara’s Home

[Rival political protestors of Ouattara and Gbagbo clashed with sticks and stones in different parts of Abidjan. The Gbagbo youths roaming the streets, and wearing crowns of leaves and black paint, seemed to benefit from the help of paramilitary police. They hunted down people they took for Ouattara loyalists who were stripped naked, whipped and kicked.]

flashforward to 2010:

ECOWAS Recognises Quattara as Leader

[Seven Heads of State of the Economic Community of West Africa States (ECOWAS) rose from a special emergency meeting in Abuja yesterday recognizing Mr. Alassane Ouattara as the new president of Cote d'Ivoire. They also ordered the incumbent, Mr. Laurent Gbagbo to hand over power to him immediately.]

World Calls for End to Violence Against Civilians

[Fighters backing Cote D'ivoire's elected President Alassane Outtara, are
attacking the residence of the incumbent, Laurent Gbagbo, in the city of
Abidjan.

An Outtara spokesman says they are meeting some resistance.

Outtara's forces swept into the commercial capital on Thursday,
and have also taken control of the state TV broadcaster.

Gbagbo has refused to give up power despite losing last November's
election, according to results verified by local and international officials.]

much more in comments..

ie: U.S. Says Gbagbo Must Go Now

[The United States has called on Côte d'Ivoire stongman Laurent Gbagbo to
step down immediately claiming he is pushing the West African nation into
lawlessness.]

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#6 April 3, 2011 at 4:03 pm
american patriot commented:

Muslims being Muslims.

This must be discussed over and over and over again, until the West fully understands the very nature of Islam.

Khomeini, Iran’s loony but dangerous mullah, stated when assuming power in 1979:

“The great prophet of Islam [Big Mo himself, -ed.] carried in one hand the Koran and in the other a sword; the sword for crushing the traitors and the Koran for guidance. … Islam is a religion of blood for the infidels but a religion of guidance for other people. … We shall export our revolution to the whole world. Until the cry “There is no God but God” resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle.”

This is the same Khomeini who also said, “There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.”

I believe him.

Islam is nothing but threats – “accept Islam” – and violence – “or we will kill you.”
#7 April 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Valerie commented:

#6 April 3, 2011 at 4:03 pm
american patriot commented:

You absolutely have the Islamist talking points down, exactly. The advertising campaign of the Hamas Covenant has been successful.

And if the Islamists win the argument among Muslims, then you are right, and they will be exterminated.
#8 April 3, 2011 at 4:20 pm
reliapundit commented:

if obama was really trying to help the muslim brotherhood and their ilk would he be doing anything differently?

nope.
#9 April 3, 2011 at 4:20 pm
apodoca commented:

Muslims never regard a church compound as sacred and off-limits. Yet, we treat mosques as though they are sacred. We ought to correct that imbalance.
#10 April 3, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Floyd Looney commented:

The women and children will be raped and forced into Islam.

Great allies Obama makes.
#11 April 3, 2011 at 4:34 pm
No Man commented:

Elections only count when the liberal terror symapthizers and actual terrorists win.

Sounds like Wisconsin
#12 April 3, 2011 at 4:36 pm
kansas commented:

So is this new or has the MSM decided we need more foreign entanglements? Well, African Muslim slaughter is not new so why are we being fed this now? I guess Ogabe didn’t spend enough in Libya and gas prices are not high enough. Let’s send troops to Africa, drain the strategic reserve, stop importing foreign oil while not increasing domestic production and fret about what has gone wrong.
#13 April 3, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Old One commented:

Un troops in Ivory Coast allow massacres of Christians. UN troopds infect Haitians with cholera. Cholera had been wiped out in Haiti nearly 100 years ago until UN troops from Banladesh & Nepal brought it back by emptying their latrines into a river that flows to sea through Haiti’s most densely populated region. Keep in mind The Obamanation has put the UN in charge of our foreign policy in Libya.
#14 April 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm
elhrac commented:

R2p anyone?
#15 April 3, 2011 at 4:49 pm
bg commented:

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Valerie #7

truly heartbreaking for me to see that so many so called “compassionate”
conservatives are so callous, not to mention ill-informed, feeding the AQ-
UN push for depopulation and control via an global Islamic conflict.. *sigh*

Zawahiri

[However, despite all of this, I say to you: that we are in a battle, and that
more than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media.
And that we are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our
Umma.]

that said:

[Religion

Traditional religions, followed by almost two-fifths of the population,
continue to predominate among rural communities. Islam is followed by
about one-quarter of the population, found primarily in the northwest
and in Abidjan. Almost one-third of the population is Christian, mostly
Roman Catholic or Methodist. Also present in the country are followers
of the Harrist faith, a syncretic religion indigenous to Côte d’Ivoire.]

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#16 April 3, 2011 at 5:12 pm
wow commented:

#14 April 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm
elhrac commented:

Exactly.
#17 April 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm
bg commented:

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elhrac #14

RtoP

[138. Each individual State has the responsibility to protect its populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. This responsibility entails the prevention of such crimes, including their incitement, through appropriate and necessary means. We accept that responsibility and will act in accordance with it. The international community should, as appropriate, encourage and help States to exercise this responsibility and support the United Nations in establishing an early warning capability.

139. The international community, through the United Nations, also has the responsibility to use appropriate diplomatic, humanitarian and other peaceful means, in accordance with Chapters VI and VIII of the Charter, to help protect populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. In this context, we are prepared to take collective action, in a timely and decisive manner, through the Security Council, in accordance with the Charter, including Chapter VII, on a case-by-case basis and in cooperation with relevant regional organizations as appropriate, should peaceful means be inadequate and national authorities manifestly fail to protect their populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. We stress the need for the General Assembly to continue consideration of the responsibility to protect populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity and its implications, bearing in mind the principles of the Charter and international law. We also intend to commit ourselves, as necessary and appropriate, to helping States build capacity to protect their populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity and to assisting those which are under stress before crises and conflicts break out.

140. We fully support the mission of the Special Adviser
of the Secretary-General on the Prevention of Genocide.]

hmmm, that is odd, i mean, both Bush & Collin Powell begged the UN to
call the slaughtering of Sudanese genocide and they adamantly refused..

“The world cannot ignore the suffering
of more than one million people.” GWB

sorry to say.. oh yes it can!! it has.. and will continue to do so until
the Elite powers that be attain their unattainable, imaginary Utopia..

still seems to me that the UN is more of a genocidal
facilitator than a buttress, but heh, what do i know..

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#18 April 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm
DomesticGoddess commented:

Are we seriously living in the 21st century?
#19 April 3, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Doug Edelman commented:

As the world’s largest exporter of Cocoa… responsible for more than half the world’s supply… The Ivory Coast represents more of America’s vital interests than did Libya! And I STILL say, no blood for chocolate!!
#20 April 3, 2011 at 5:47 pm
rbosque commented:

What, no outrage from the UN or the left? Not even crocodile tears? No stories on how we’re at fault for being “Islamophobic”?
#21 April 3, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Chippy commented:

I think we should get our troops out of all Muslim countries. We dont need them there. Then we burn Korans and let them all take care of each other.
#22 April 3, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Somewhat Reasonable Voice commented:

Did one of those 1,000 burn a Koran? No? Then I don’t understand why they’ve become violent. I must call Lindsey Graham and ask him.
#23 April 3, 2011 at 6:36 pm
tommy mc donnell commented:

do you think barbara boxer or diane feinstein will mention the geneva convention.
#24 April 3, 2011 at 6:38 pm
chuck in st paul commented:

Tribal warfare in Africa…. [yawn].

The entire continent should be depopulated of humans and started over again. Where’s Shrillary’s reset button?
#25 April 3, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Andreas K. commented:

Caritas Austria is known for being on the same side as the left wingers. So if they say they have no idea it’s very likely that it was muselmaniacs, since they lie without restraint, like the red and green fascists.

Apart from that, who would have the fire power and motive to do this?

Only muselmaniacs.

A proper investigation by who? The UN? The International Committee of the Red Cross? (Sh)amnesty International?

All of them, uncluding Caritas and the Catholic church, are busy crawling on the dust in front of islam.

If it smells muzzie, looks muzzie and ends up with lots of dead people, then it was muzzie.
#26 April 3, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Andreas K. commented:

That said, where is Obama with his kinetic action? Where is the UN? Where is NATO?

Of course nowhere. 1,000 dead Christians, no reason to get involved. Crazy Old Gaddafi dropping a few bombs on muzzies, “OMG! WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!”.
#27 April 3, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Mike O commented:

Will every commenter here who has PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in sub-Sahara Africa please raise their hand (hand raised). Thank you.

The Ivory Coast is a TRIBAL situation, NOT a religious one. So don’t embarrass yourselves as implying otherwise. Religion plays the smallest part here and in MOST of the sub-Sahara problems. Taking refuge in a Catholic compound is a sure sign; you think Muslim fanatics would have ANY qualms about shedding blood there?

BTW: a lot of the victims were hacked to death by machetes. Shades of Rwanda (on the other side of the continent). Wonder if these implements were shipped in by the French like they were in that instance?
#28 April 3, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Mike O commented:

I ask you to pull down the headline, Jim; Muslim extremists do enough insanity without blaming them where they AREN’T the problem. I have great respect for you and don’t want you to discredit you reputation in the least little bit.
#29 April 3, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Rose commented:

Does General Petraeus fear this massacre might provoke another Christian to burn another koran?

Somehow, I seriously doubt it.
#30 April 3, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Catherine commented:

http://www.france24.com/en/20110403-ivory-coast-france-takes-over-abidjan-airport-boosts-peacekeepers-unoci
Peacekeepers control Abidjan airport, French military says
Latest update: 03/04/2011

WATCH the video then be pissed at the MSM for not telling the truth this is about muslums killing Christians and stealing their lands with the help of the UN

What happens if they want the USA?

Catherine
#31 April 3, 2011 at 7:31 pm
bg commented:

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Catherine #30

thank you..

thought i had posted about that in here.. guess it was
in another thread, oh wait, i did post it in here @ #3..

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#32 April 3, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Joanne commented:

Muslims do not believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and forgives the sins of those who ask for forgiveness and turn from their sins, so they invent a God who not only says it is fine to kill non-muslims, but commands them to do so. Muslims are all sinners until they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
#33 April 3, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Catherine commented:

bg
thought mike might want to see it simple is simple does

Catherine
#34 April 3, 2011 at 8:13 pm
wanumba commented:

We were living in Ivory Coast when Outtara was cut out of the candidacy for president based on a citizenship dispute.
THis is what happened ten years ago, which relates to today :

It’s hard to pick who’s a good guy here.
The northern half is Muslim of different tribal groups, conquered during the Arab empire expansion hundreds of years ago, the south is animist/CHristian (Catholic) of other tribal groups.
ABout ten years ago, the mismanaged government led by President Bedie was upset by an army munity provoked by Bedie’s fail to pay salaries OWED for the Ivory Coast military’s deployment as UN peacekeepers elsewhere. The UN paid, but Bedie – as they say in AFrica – ate the money. Sitting unpopular president Bedie meanwhile was under pressure from popular Outtara as a rising candidate for presidency and began a citizenship dispute to keep Outtara off any national ballots.
The army mutinied to get Bedie to cough up their EARNED pay and Bedie, thinking it was a coup, fled during the very targeted looting of his family-owned businesses, and the government collapsed. After some confusion, as the mutineers had expected a paycheck, not a disconnected number, General Guei asserted control and was in charge, promising elections. After getting a bit too comfortable as president, Guei aquiesed to elections. Enter Outtara and Laurence Gbagbo as the lead candidates.
Gbagbo,a full bore socialist, said to be the French socialist Jospin’s pal (co-president with Chirac for a time until the odious snob Jospin was knocked out in the elections) picked up Bedie’s citizenship dispute with Outtara to keep him off the ballot.

General Guei proved to be less than competent at stealing his own election and was cowed out by Gbagbo who sent his supporters to mob into the streets.
Gbago, based on not many ballots, declared himself the winner.

A Burkinabe (from Burkina Faso) guy who worked for us said, “Gbagbo will destroy this country.”
Plainly Gbagbo had a long-standing reputation in the region.
Not too long after, the no longer in power General Guei and his wife were brutally murdered in their home.

France, with heavy investment in Ivory Coast, with a big French population, bungled the peace accord, the south believed they’d been sold out to appease the north and rampaged against the French. Most French families fled, some French were second even third generation born in Ivory Coast, so it was terrible.
Crime and unrest increased steadily, and the new criteria for natural born citizenship disenfranchsied not just Outtara, but half the country so the military split along north-south lines. Thats’ what ya get when half the army has been informed they aren’t full citizens.

The northerners, though Muslim ,weren’t extreme, but the resentment and chaos are Al Qaeda delights, so without boots on the ground info on whether the northerners have been radicalized in some measure over the past ten years, it’s hard to gauge the current situation. Radicals absolutely HAVE been recruiting all across West AFrica, so there is a toxic effect (Nigeria is a prime case). It is very POSSIBLE that Outtara has accepted help from unsavory characters – but it is not known whether he has or not.
Because of this, there are legitimate fears the southerners have about being overrun by northerners. Loyalties are hard core tribal, which usually trumps religion in those areas.
Some missionary friends of ours quit Ivory Coast 8 months ago, too dangerous with crime and growing anarchy. THat they still go to Nigeria and many of the surrounding countries like Liberia and Sierra Leon speaks volumes about how bad Ivory Coast was getting before this open warfare started.

So, who to pick here?
Gbagbo, the hard core socialist with community-organized thug gangs, Outttara – maybe still a reasonable guy, but being heavily courted by Islamists?

Where’s our ace Intel? One REALLY needs to KNOW the place to make a decision on who to back. If we have a CIA payroll larded with narcissist poseurs like Valerie Plame, we’re operating BLIND.
#35 April 3, 2011 at 8:14 pm
wanumba commented:

#27 April 3, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Mike O commented:
Will every commenter here who has PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in sub-Sahara Africa please raise their hand (hand raised). Thank you.
……………………………………..
You’re welcome.
#37 April 3, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Mike O commented:

Wanumba, thank you for the update from the specific area. Most of my time on the ground has been Kenya and Uganda. Your experiences are a lot like my own on the other sides. BTW: the Nutcase associated with Uganda, involved in hundreds of thousands of deaths over decades, professes to be a devout CHristian. Gen. Kony doesn’t fill my definition of that when his forces uses child soldiers and cannibalism.
#39 April 3, 2011 at 10:32 pm
wanumba commented:

Mike O
Regards!

For the general reader…Joseph Kone’s raison d’etre for the LRA is all about keeping Joseph Kone alive.
Any implications that the”lord” in the “Lord’s Resistance Army “has anything even remotely to do with real the Lord God Almighty should be dismissed instantly as despicable bunk. It was set up by his decidedly unCHristian wacko mystic mother who wanted to upend the Ugandan government at the time. History has passed them all by, so he’s pretty much no more than the most nasty militia/gun for hire in the region – to get money so he can keep himself alive.

Khartoum hired him to open a second front against the Southern Sudanese during the Civil War, but since President Bush got the CPA established, Kone has been an unwelcome third wheel in that North-South dynamic. He’s been better marginalized than in years by the South Sudanese, forced out and into Darfur and CAR, Central African Republic.

I heard the paranoid Kone did some purging a couple years ago and dispensed with his cannibal creep, General Sunday, a couple years ago. Just in case, evidently.
#41 April 3, 2011 at 11:02 pm
bg commented:

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not to worry, after they do lunch tomorrow, the UN will get right on it,
i mean discuss it.. then they’ll convene after they schedule a meeting
to see a show of hands so to speak..

i really don’t know why we put so much trust in UN forces, i mean, if you think our Military’s hands are tied, try trying their feet too.. no no no, the blame rises to the top on this one, surely their methods of peace keeping has proved to work in the opposite direction.. Rwanda lesson learned?? hah, seems more like the powers that be are doing their i best to replicate it..

MILLIONS OF STARVING & DISPLACED BLACK HUMAN BEINGS ALL ACROSS
AFRICA, MOST OF THEM WOMEN & CHILDREN.. NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED
SINCE THE DAYS OF THE ARAB SLAVE TRADE..

HEH, CALL IT ANYTHING BUT GENOCIDE, THEN STEP ASIDE.. FORE!!

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#43 April 3, 2011 at 11:20 pm
contessa61 commented:

Well, at least the Quran was not burnt.
#44 April 3, 2011 at 11:20 pm
wanumba commented:

bg
Please!
The Western countries do NOT want to put their troops out, so the UN is FORCED to fill peacekeeping with troops mostly from Third World nations. Third World nations get to subsidize their armed forces by cycling them thru UN peacekeeping for a while – a budget reliever. THe FAIlL of Western nations TODAY to LEAD BY EXAMPLE gives us predictable otucomes!!

EVERYONE!! STOP with blaming the UN Peacekeepers for Rwanda!!! It was BILL CLINTON who caved, it was the BELGIUM GOVERNMENT that CAVED, it was UN NEW YORK that CAVED, NOT the on the ground UN troops. General Dallaire, head of the UN Peacekeping in Rwanda had a simple mandate to OBSERVE the CEASE FIRE between the Hutus and the Tutsi Rebels. His troops were armed accordingly – it was LOW LEVEL reporting and monitoring activities, big guns/weaponry are NOT appropriate for THAT. UN Peacekeeping in Rwanda was ABANDONED!!

Watch GHOSTS of RWANDA, available at PBS, quite a bit can be watched on-line. The PEACEKEEPERS were ABANDONED by CLINTON. General Dallaire STAYED and mostly UNARMED UN PAecekeepers, mostly AFrican, SAVED LIVES using their WITS!! Unarmed and abandoned, in terrible danger, they were rescued ONLY when the Tutsi Rebels fought in and drove out the radical Hutu cabal. Watch Dallaire’s account of what happened, “SHAKE HANDS WITH THE DEVIL.”

HOW is ANYONE supposed to make sense of what’s going on if no one knows anything about how even the UN Peacekeeping works?
#45 April 3, 2011 at 11:31 pm
AuntieMadder commented:

Instead of helping one group of Muslims in their battle or rebellion against another group of Muslims, sometimes not even knowing which group to side with but always knowing that at the end of the day, they all hate non-Muslims anyway, the people we should be helping are the Christians and all other non-Muslims who are in Muslim countries and doomed for it.
#46 April 3, 2011 at 11:38 pm
wanumba commented:

I know the subject is Ivory Coast, but I left out a veryVERY important nuance to the Joseph Kone LRA comment above.

Sicne Obama became POTUS, there has been a surge in Democrat Party rhetoric for “military humanitarian intervention” against Khartoum in Darfur and against Joseph Kone and his LRA.

Darfur is part of Sudan. No one of the Democrats argued to “military humanitarian intervention in South Sudan which was being devastated worse than Darfur. WHat would a “military humanitarian intervention” mean in Darfur? STop the janjaweed? And then what? Withdraw and they start up again or OCCUPY part of a sovereign nation? For how long? A moth, a year, ten years? They DON’T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THESE CRITICAL QUESTIONS.

A “military humanitarian intervention” against Joseph Kone would require chasing that forest rat through SEVERAL COUNTRIES in extremely hard and nasty jungle warfare. HOW much DIPLOMACY would THAT require to get a group of countries to agree to a ROAMING ARMY that would run across their borders hither and yon? ? MULTI-NATIONAL!! Years ago, a Central American jungle special forces was sent in after him – elite jungle fighters. What he and his LRA did to them is unspeakable. THE DEMOCRATS DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THESE CRITICAL QUESTIONS ON JUST HOW TO GET RID OF KONE.
YEAH! He deserves DEATH! But it isn’t as EASY an UNDERTAKING as the shallow peacenicks, turned warmongers suggest.

Democrats are UNSAFE! They don’t know what the HELL they are talking about in warfare and in dealing with these manners of conflicts. They get GOOD people KILLED.

Ivory Coast .. better got to STRATFOR website and see what they have, because the DEMOCRATS and the STUCK ON STUPID MEDIA isn’t TELLING US what’s going on. The FRENCH have been STUCK there for YEARS, getting NOWEHERE. QUAGMIRE.
#47 April 3, 2011 at 11:49 pm
bg commented:

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Ivory Coast’s Gbagbo issues call to arms

[Thousands of young people have lined up to answer a call to arms by former Ivory Coast leader Laurent Gbabgo. Gbabgo contests the result of November 28 presidential elections that declared his rival Alassane Ouattara as the winner. Ouattara is recognised by the international community as the rightful president of Ivory Coast and who is backed by rebel forces. ]

UN accuses Gbagbo forces of shooting civilians

[UN peacekeepers in Ivory Coast say forces loyal to incumbent leader Laurent Gbagbo have opened fire on civilians in the main city of Abidjan, killing around 10 people. They also accuse groups of pro-Gbagbo youths of burning a man alive and attacking two groups of UN staff. There has been no immediate comment on the accusations from Gbagbo's camp. ..]

sorry about the commercials in the videos.. and ii’m sure
there are other videos out there, but i couldn’t find any..

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#48 April 3, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Mike O commented:

Wanumba, I have dealt with Rwandan survivors and, as much as I’d wish it was just the failure of leadership, remember just how quickly it blew up and was done; what, 100 days? Where would you’ve have brought in a regiment-sized force (necessary to even begin to make a dent?) Remember, there was not ‘international consensus’ (especially considering the Freench involvement) and, being land-locked, you’d need a major staging area. Sure, dropping a regiment of U.S. Marines in could be accomplished maybe at the 60 day mark. A U.S. invasion? How well would that have REALLY gone over? And the UN has NEVER been able to stop a thing. The have 10,000 military in Ivory Coast (a Division!) and the bloodbath continues without a hiccup. The UN stands around and watches it happen (when they’re not occasionally raping the women they’re supposed to protect.)
#49 April 3, 2011 at 11:54 pm
bigkahuna commented:

We need to put muslimes ragheads around the world on notice. When they destroy one church we blow up 5 mosques. When they murder 1 Christian we bomb 50-100 muzturds.

Then if orders are coming from govt entities we bomb their headquarters. Time to stop treating these goat fu*cking , cameljockeys that we are done playing around. If they want to act like animals we will treat them like animals.
#50 April 3, 2011 at 11:56 pm
bg commented:

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wanumba #44

my point was Obama wants a global security force (under the auspices of
the UN), and the UN peace keeping troops are allowed to do less than our
troops.. ergo, useless now, useless then, useless tomorrow unless by some
miracle of all miracles global PEACE breaks out around the globe at warp speed..

you misread what i wrote, i blame the UN peacekeepers
for nothing.. i blamed the UN gluttons who are in charge
of them..

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#51 April 3, 2011 at 11:58 pm
wanumba commented:

The Southerners, a major tribal group are the Susu, do NOT even speak the same langauge or have the same culture as the Northerners.

Northerners would slaughter Southerners and frankly visa versa now that killings have begun in earnest.

The strategic issue is to step back and see how ALL West Africa could fall to concerted Islamic-backed insurgencies, radicalized over the past twenty years by hard-core Saudi Wahhabist mosque-planting, in poor nations heavily infiltrated by Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda.

But HOW many countries is the US supposed to police via “military humanitarian intervention?” Obama could easily destroy the USA by exhausting our military in a 100 regional conflicts.
#52 April 4, 2011 at 12:02 am
bg commented:

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Mike O #48

that is true, forgot about the, lets call it advantages some
perpetrate on the victims they are supposedly protecting..

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#53 April 4, 2011 at 12:08 am
wanumba commented:

#48 April 3, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Mike O commented:
Wanumba, I have dealt with Rwandan survivors and, as much as I’d wish it was just the failure of leadership, remember just how quickly it blew up
………….

UN New York had ALL the Hutu plans WELL in advance, thanks to Dallaire’s reports. He was BLOCKED in New York. His mission wasn’t reinforced nor the mandate revised to take in account the rising danger.

They had the ALL time they needed. It WAS a FAIL in LEADERSHIP.

UN Peacekeepers stopped killings by WORDS, by standing in front of doors, no weapons. They smuggled Tutsi out of the country, they kicked and punched Hutus who tried to stop them from transferring Tutsi to safer areas. It wouldn’t have taken much at all. The Hutus were NOT suicidal and they didn’t want to be identified doing what they were doing. The goal was to have Tutsis die, NOT Hutus. The Hutus backed off fast when the dynamics shifted.

Leadership FAIL.
#54 April 4, 2011 at 12:17 am
wanumba commented:

#50 April 3, 2011 at 11:56 pm
bg :
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I’m just annoyed and frustrated with the callous comments from people who have NO IDEA what peacekeepers in the field face every day.

I mentioned earlier that UN peacekeepers are often NOT the culprits in abuse cases. Many times it’s the CONTRACTORS who do this sort of thing. The troops must live in BARRACKS and on bases, under the authority of officers, so they don’t get out unsupervised as much as contractors do, but they get ALL the blame. Yeah, they can get into trouble, nothing’s perfect, but the host country CAN boot the mission out.

If we don’t correctly identify the problem, because we don’t know how anything works or the history of a place. then how can we possibly come up with a correct solution?

Your links, btw are always great and appreciated.
#56 April 4, 2011 at 12:39 am
wanumba commented:

The UN, follwowing the Obama ADminstration’s priorities, is playing partisan politics by picking sides, so they have made the peacekeepers fair targets – just another militia on the ground.
Leadership FAIL.
#57 April 4, 2011 at 12:43 am
bg commented:

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wanumba #54

thanks..

you may want to add your 2 cents here, and unless i read you wrong,
me thinks someone agrees with you as to who’s side to take (not sure
i do though, but i’ll let you know which side i take when i do.. )..

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#58 April 4, 2011 at 1:34 am
bg commented:

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bit more background info/insight..

Dancing with Rebels: Gbagbo and the Ivorian Revolution

[In his speech, Gbagbo said that he "accepted the spirit of the Marcoussis Accords" but added that every important element in the text would have to be examined in light of the Ivorian constitution. The Ivorian president said:"Wherever and whenever there is contradiction between the Constitution and the Accords, the Constitution shall prevail." Problems began when the spokesperson of the major rebel group (MPC), Guillaume Soro a former ally of Gbagbo in the 1990s and former student leader went on French television to announce that he would become Minister of the Interior and that his friend would become Minister of Defense in the new government. Gbagbo returned to Abidjan and met with leaders of the military, the gendarmerie and the police, all of whom rejected the Accords. A day later, major political parties at the National Assembly voiced their opposition to portions of the Accords, rejecting the disarmament of the national army and putting Defense and the Interior at the hands of rebels.]

dang, this saga has just begun for me, obviously
have a lot of unpleasant research to do, uhgah..

[anyone know if this is a credible source or not?? wanumba?? thanks}

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#63 April 4, 2011 at 4:37 am
Sheerkon commented:

But ,but look over there!!!! 11ty!!!! An Israeli Jew stepped on an Innocent,peace loving,Palistinians foot!!!!! 11Ty!!! Bat Signals,yo!!!!! 11ty!!!
#68 April 4, 2011 at 7:14 am
#1AMERICAN commented:

It isn’t Islamophobia when they really ARE trying to kill you.

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/

this shows exactly what they satnd for
#73 April 4, 2011 at 9:30 am
Adirondack Patriot commented:

Don’t worry, people. Barack Obama has announced he will run for re-election!

Yayyyyyyyyyy!
#74 April 4, 2011 at 10:40 am
Bobbi commented:

Operation “responsibility.org” will not lift a finger.
Costitutionallt, can not send in military.
Best way to stop the genocide is to stop enabling theuslims with our oil money.
#76 April 4, 2011 at 10:51 am
bg commented:

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re: #58

[From the issue of re-integration the mutineers into the army, other matters surfaced, including grievances of Burkina Faso nationals who were "victimized by loyalist troops". The issue of land tenure and nationality as defined by the constitution also became part of the conflict. The new Ivorian constitution, principally written to stop opposition leader Ouattara, former prime minister under Houphouet, from seeking the presidency also bars foreigners from holding land. Many Burkina Faso farmers who had lived in the cocoa belt - where President Gbagbo is from - lost ownership to land they had controlled for generations. Others who held position in the government lost their jobs.

As the military situation evolved, every discontent political movement jumped on the bandwagon and inserted its grievances in the "mutiny" now turning into a rebelllion. Dacoury, another former ally of Gbagbo became a strategist for the rebels. The former ruling party of Bedie, the PDCI, just recovering from the 1999 military coup, inserted itself in the game, arguing that it was the "most credible political party in the country." Although he said the "legality must be preserved" Bedie never missed a chance to say that Gbagbo came to power "under special circumstances born out an illegal seizure of power by the army." Former soldiers who had fled into Burkina Faso years ago after a failed coup against Guei crossed the border and joined the rebellion.

Outside Cote d'Ivoire, Blaise Compaore used the rebellion to raise issues about the new laws in Cote d'Ivoire that deprived many of his compatriots of their wealth in Cote d'Ivoire. According to reports from Radio France, he was instrumental in getting cash from Kaddafi and arms from Taylor to the rebels. Liberian military personnel, both as mercenaries or regular Liberian government troops according to the Ivorian minister of Defense, joined some soldiers on the West to open a new front and create a new faction.]

seems to me many factions detested Gbagbo and joined in on the rebellion,
including his allies in the military.. aah, what goes around comes around..

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#77 April 4, 2011 at 11:58 am
wanumba commented:

#58 April 4, 2011 at 1:34 am
bg commented:
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bit more background info/insight..

Dancing with Rebels: Gbagbo and the Ivorian Revolution

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Heh.
I TOLD everyone yesterday it was complicated!
It’s pretty much on the mark, maybe some certain biases, but a decent background overview.
You’re a noble bg to undertake THAT research task!

I think though the nutshell is, previous Ivoirien governments mismanaged the nation to extreme vunerablility, the global Islamists are now allying and supplying to take advantage – “let no crisis go to waste.”
Where to go from here?
THe bottom line, if the Islamists are manuevering to expand the Caliphate, then northerner aggression should not be supported in any manner. The Southerners may be incompetent screw-ups, but they are generally pro-West and don’t deserve being massacred. WHO better represents them than Gbagbo…don’t have any names, if there are any. That level of local detail I don’t know.

This seems to be the OPPOSITE of what the Obama Admin is pushing, though. Showing his true colors, AGAIN.
#81 April 4, 2011 at 4:16 pm
bg commented:

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re: #58

[How did the crisis grow from a mutiny to a civil war?

The crisis started on September 19, 2002, when a group of soldiers who had been recruited by General Guei in 2000 and were facing discharge after their normal 2- years service staged a mutiny and tried to force the government to keep them in the military. They tried to move into Abidjan but were stopped in their advance. Former military leader General Guei was killed by government troops. The French troops moved in to secure Yamoussoukro and stop the advance of the rebels from Bouake and Korhogo. In the confusion, former student leader Guillaume Soro surfaced in Bouake and met with the rebels. As a former member of the FPI and close friend of Gbagbo, many expected him to facilitate the negotiations. But instead, he turned out to be the spokesperson of the rebels. At the first peace talks held in Accra, the main issue for the rebels was to be re-integrated in the army and avoid being court-martialed. The government accepted the cease-fire agreement signed between the rebels and an ECOWAS negotiating team. However, upon their return to Bouake, the rebels started to call for the resignation of Gbagbo and the formation of a transitional government. They refused to disarm and threatened to move on Abidjan. ECOWAS met again and set-up a mediation committee headed by Togolese president Eyadema. Rebels and government were brought to Lome for a month long talks.

[..]

From the issue of re-integration the mutineers into the army, other matters surfaced, including grievances of Burkina Faso nationals who were “victimized by loyalist troops”. The issue of land tenure and nationality as defined by the constitution also became part of the conflict. The new Ivorian constitution, principally written to stop opposition leader Ouattara, former prime minister under Houphouet, from seeking the presidency also bars foreigners from holding land. Many Burkina Faso farmers who had lived in the cocoa belt – where President Gbagbo is from – lost ownership to land they had controlled for generations. Others who held position in the government lost their jobs.

As the military situation evolved, every discontent political movement jumped on the bandwagon and inserted its grievances in the “mutiny” now turning into a rebelllion. Dacoury, another former ally of Gbagbo became a strategist for the rebels. The former ruling party of Bedie, the PDCI, just recovering from the 1999 military coup, inserted itself in the game, arguing that it was the “most credible political party in the country.” Although he said the “legality must be preserved” Bedie never missed a chance to say that Gbagbo came to power” under special circumstances born out an illegal seizure of power by the army.” Former soldiers who had fled into Burkina Faso years ago after a failed coup against Guei crossed the border and joined the rebellion.

Outside Cote d’Ivoire, Blaise Compaore used the rebellion to raise issues about the new laws in Cote d’Ivoire that deprived many of his compatriots of their wealth in Cote d’Ivoire. According to reports from Radio France, he was instrumental in getting cash from Kaddafi and arms from Taylor to the rebels. Liberian military personnel, both as mercenaries or regular Liberian government troops according to the Ivorian minister of Defense, joined some soldiers on the West to open a new front and create a new faction.]

Alassane Ouattara & Laurent Gbagbo

not sure, have much more research to do, but so
far it seems the “rebels” sprung form sources..

in the meantime.. if anyone has any info connecting the
“rebels” to Ouattara, would you please post it, thanks..

oh yeah, please let me know if i read the info correctly, if
so, then the “rebels” spokesperson is Christian, thank you..

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#85 April 4, 2011 at 9:12 pm
bg commented:

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btw, did you notice this tid bit..

[Outside Cote d’Ivoire, Blaise Compaore used the rebellion to raise issues about the new laws in Cote d’Ivoire that deprived many of his compatriots of their wealth in Cote d’Ivoire. According to reports from Radio France, he was instrumental in getting cash from Kaddafi and arms from Taylor to the rebels. Liberian military personnel, both as mercenaries or regular Liberian government troops according to the Ivorian minister of Defense, joined some soldiers on the West to open a new front and create a new faction.]

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#100 April 7, 2011 at 6:00 am
ed commented:

Hate, is to soft a word for what I feel for Muslims now. I despise them to no end. I want ALL Muslims to be wiped off the face of this world. They are ALL corrupt and evil. As far as the liberal media, they can be disposed of the same.
#104 April 8, 2011 at 1:57 am
Reality Check commented:

Chippy commented:

“I think we should get our troops out of all Muslim countries.”

How about Christian countries, like Ivory Coast, where Muslims are systematically ethnically cleansing the country of Christians.

How about Secular countries, where one sect of Muslims are systematically removing all political and economic rights from religious and non-religious citizens.

Should we abandon them too ???
#114 April 11, 2011 at 2:13 pm
bruce commented:

you can see the same think in detroit!