Speaking Truth to Power: WI Senator Grothman Says Union Protesters Are “Smelly Slobs” (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 6:34 AM
WI Republican State Senator is sick of the “smelly” leftist “slobs” who are turning the state capitol into a “pig sty.”
Hallis Mailen sleeps on Sunday in the rotunda of the Wisconsin Capitol as a round-the-clock protest continues over the proposed budget and bargaining rights. (Post-Gazette)
Senator Glenn Grothman was on The Last Word yesterday with Lawrence O’Donnell. He told the host that the protesters living in the Wisconsin capitol building were smelly slobs.
Senator Glenn Grothman speaks truth to power:
“We’re trying to keep people out of the Capital because the building is becoming a pig sty. People are staying over night, the building smells. We used to have nice tours for children, all that’s being shut down by a bunch of slobs taking up the building. We can no longer continue to have all these slobs in the building. It would be embarrassing to me to take my child through that building today. These people are not nurses, police, and firefighters, they are college students and hangers-on who are having a fun party. The people who are staying over night are largely making a mess of our Capital. Why are we keeping people out? Because we do not want to have so many people there overnight defacing our beautiful Capital. A very small percentage are police, and firefighters, and nurses. I think if you would interview all the people who are making a ruckus, the vast majority are either college T.A.s, college students, and hanger’s-on… Or unemployed people just looking for someplace to hang out.“
Don’t hold back, senator.
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Published May 17, 2012 at 1:26 pm - 155 Comments
Militant Conservative commented:
Socialist deviants. Reprobates and trouble makers.
powder is dry
Granny commented:
Astroturf trucked in from out of state for $6 an hour.
redgrandma commented:
First they should expose everyone who is not a member of a union. Then they should expose every union member who is not a Wisconsin union member. And then they should expose everyone who may be a member of a union in Wisconsin but not in the teachers union. And if those groups left the premises you could probably hear a pin drop in the Capitol building.
Andrew X commented:
Sometimes you have to give people enough rope to hang themselves. I philosophically support cleaning out the sty, but of course the cameras are there, and we are dealing with people who, certainly from a historical standpoint, are masters of manipulating the vacuum headed / ideologcally driven media.
Fact is, I think they are losing the media war right now, for all sorts of reasons that have already been elaborated on. But that top picture speaks volumes as to why.
So Walker and the WI-GOP are correct to simply go about their business like the adults they are, and let the Dems in Illinois stew, and the ones in Madison smell, and the whole world to bear witness to both.
If something cannot go on forever, it won’t, and neither one of those situations can go on forever. Ergo, they won’t. Tout fini.
Trish commented:
The truth hurts they say. I hope this truth slays them.
Meg commented:
Disgusting!!! And didn’t a Judge say they had a right to be there. Do they have a right to destroy the building with their trash. Arrest them for littering. This is a true showing of what liberals do to this country.
Edouard commented:
What the senator is saying is indeed the impression America is getting.
You’d think the public sector union members, especially the capitol cops who are letting this grungy crowd bend the rules to the breaking point, would have an ounce of shame about all this and be embarrassed at the human driftwood who “represent” them, but I guess not.
Scott Brooks commented:
What a joke O’Donnell and this union thug are! Everything that comes out of their mouths is either inaccurate or a fabrication.
Naturally, O’Donnell cites the PPP poll. There is no doubt that poll is skewed in favor of Democrats. The more accurate poll was taken on Nov. 2nd of 2010 when conservatives who’d campaigned on the promise to cut government and reign in the powerful public unions were overwhelmingly elected to majority power.
That’s what the unions and the Democrats cannot abide. And that is why they behave like thugs and cowards and fleebaggers.
Ruebacca commented:
Hippies protesting for bureaucrats and bureaucratic privilege.
Paper pushers of the world unite!
Oldpuppymax commented:
Wow…talk about breaking all of the rules of political correctness! Who does this guy think he is…telling the truth with so little shame!!
Taqiyyotomist commented:
This is going to make the goons REALLY seethe. You thought they wanted to do violence to him before, just watch now.
patman commented:
Yah notice how a liberal interrupts every time the other person speaks? Every time.
They can’t even listen. They won’t listen. Ignorance and lack of civility and tolerance…
And look at the feet of that whale sleeping on the floor of the capital. Filthy fat slob.
bg commented:
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OT..
American Muslim organization calls upon American
Muslims to denounce Shariah for America rally
[Shariah for America's march on Washington is an affront to very idea of America and in no way represents the core of American Muslims. American Muslims need to denounce this rally and to unequivocally state that Sharia for America's movement to bring shariah into government is unconstitutional and unconscionable for liberty loving Muslims in America.
Shariah for America's belief in governmental shariah is not a mandate from God, but is instead an instrument of man that uses the myth of Islamic supremacy to strip away individual liberty and freedom.
Not all Muslims are Islamists and the problems with Islamism are not only related to violence, but related to the entire ideology of seeking the supremacy of the Islamic state over the United States and Western society, which is exactly what Shariah for America is trying to do.
The organizers of Shariah for America believe that freedom of speech is a one way street and ultimately that their rally for shariah will not be countered by Muslims or Americans. AIFD stands in support of groups like Move America Forward and the Liberty Alliance who will rally on March 3 against shariah and the Islamic State. Events like this demonstrate that American Muslims need to be open about the need to separate mosque and state and to defeat the insidious supremacist ideology of shariah in government and Islamism in general.
Shariah for America is not the first group calling for the Islamist ideologies
to defeat American values. These ideologies were also recently seen in July
2009 at the Hizb ut-tahrir recruiting conference outside Chicago.]
bit more @ link..
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tj commented:
I’d like to see the numbers for the union goverment employees in the state of Wisconsin vs private sector for the past 10 years.
As I recall, at a national level gov’t employees benefits have increased by 37% while private sector have increased 6%.. We cannot afford to have unions salaries driving local goverments into bankrupcy (so they can be grossly overpaid).
We should abolish unions… and return benefits to a point closer to the FY2000 levels. (Probably about a 20% cut across the board)
I’m tired of this class warfare/redistribution of wealth going to those who promote socalism.
bg commented:
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OT..
I Heart Allen West @ 7:57
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Meg commented:
They are trying to have a recall for five Republicans? How about a recall for all the Democrats who refuse to show up and do their job?
aprilnovember811 commented:
Why are they being allowed to get away with this behavior? Isn’t this loitering? For heavens sake someone needs to remove this people.
aprilnovember811 commented:
Someone needs to tell this union thug the only rights they have is the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Stephen Morgan commented:
It’s really a shame that the Trade’s Unions threw their lot in with this group of worthless hippie dirtbags. Most of ‘ if not all of the Students protesting are just the typical TOuchy feely white liberal idiots which are mostly products of the pathetic aged hippie professors that have taught them.. They can all got to hell. AND TAKE A BATH HIPPIES!!!!
Dave commented:
Beached whales are washing up all over the place, even in the Wisconsin Rotunda!
Betsy Ross commented:
The capital tours SHOULD take place.
What better way to illustrate the union mentality of self-interest and sloth…
martha commented:
I have a close relative who is a foam at the mouth liberal. She is probably the biggest slob I’ve ever met. I went to her house a few summers ago, she had no air-conditioning, the pillow she gave me to sleep on smelled so bad it kept me awake. There was garbage everywhere. I went to wash what looked like a weeks’ worth of dishes in the kitchen and when I lifted up a skillet there was mold growing under it. I insisted we eat out at every meal. It was a short visit
Granny commented:
ALERT!! US Servicemen Killed at Frankfurt Airport!!
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/02/2-u-s-soldiers-reported-killed-at-german-airport/?hpt=T2
One individual in custody – from Kosovo.
bg commented:
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WAY TO SAY GG!!
Union Power for Thee, But Not for Me
If the president is so upset with Wisconsin’s labor law reforms,
why won’t he allow federal workers to bargain collectively?
[Fact: President Obama is the boss of a civil work force that numbers up to two million (excluding postal workers and uniformed military). Fact: Those federal workers cannot bargain for wages or benefits. Fact: Washington, D.C. is, in the purest sense, a "right to work zone." Federal employees are not compelled to join a union, nor to pay union dues. Fact: Neither Mr. Obama, nor the prior Democratic majority, ever acted to give their union chums a better federal deal.
Scott Walker, eat your heart out.]
backup link..
Wisconsin’s Newest Progressive
The Republican governor wants a new social contract.
[For one, the proposal would require that public-employee unions be recertified annually by a majority vote of all their members, not merely by a majority of those who cast ballots. The bill would also end the government's practice of automatically deducting union dues from employee paychecks. "If workers have freedom of choice on their own dues money and a real voice in their union," the governor says, "they may get better representation."]
Unions vs. the Right to Work
Collective bargaining on a broad scale is more similar
to an antitrust violation than to a civil liberty.
[In recognition of this fiscal reality, even the unions and their Democratic allies in Wisconsin have agreed to Gov. Scott Walker's proposed cutbacks of benefits, as long as he drops the restrictions on collective bargaining. The problem is that this "compromise" leaves intact the structure of strong public-employee unions that helped to create the unsustainable fiscal situation; after all, the next governor may have less fiscal discipline. A long-run solution requires a change in structure, for example, by restricting collective bargaining for public employees and, to go further, by introducing a right-to-work law.]
Why Koch Industries Is Speaking Out
Crony capitalism and bloated government prevent entrepreneurs from
producing the products and services that make people’s lives better.
[Both Democrats and Republicans have done a poor job of managing our
finances. They've raised debt ceilings, floated bond issues, and delayed
tough decisions.
[..]
In spite of looming bankruptcy, President Obama and many in Congress have tiptoed around the issue of overspending by suggesting relatively minor cuts in mostly discretionary items. There have been few serious proposals for necessary cuts in military and entitlement programs, even though these account for about three-fourths of all federal spending.
[..]
Federal data indicate how urgently we need reform: The unfunded liabilities of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid already exceed $106 trillion. That’s well over $300,000 for every man, woman and child in America (and exceeds the combined value of every U.S. bank account, stock certificate, building and piece of personal or public property).
The Congressional Budget Office has warned that the interest on our federal debt is “poised to skyrocket.” Even Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is sounding alarms. Yet the White House insists that substantial spending cuts would hurt the economy and increase unemployment.]
make retroactive cuts Congressional pay raises over the last decade..
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Granny commented:
RE #24 – At least 2 killed and 2 injured, one critically. US Airforce, from a base in the UK on their way to deployment “somewhere south”.
greenfairie commented:
#26–I bet it was a no-good Kosovo Mennonite.
greenfairie commented:
Remember the good old days when they had those high-powered hoses to wash away dirty, unruly hippies?
Granny commented:
#28 March 2, 2011 at 11:30 am
greenfairie commented:
Remember the good old days when they had those high-powered hoses to wash away dirty, unruly hippies?
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Yes, yes I do. Unfortunately, an awful lot of those dirty smelly hippies are now “in charge”.
bg commented:
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Granny #29
the “never trust anyone over 30″ crowd
are the over 30 crowd in charge today..
hah, they were right about one thing..
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Mary commented:
What is Hallis Mailen protesting? HE IS UNEMPLOYED and doesn’t appear to be in a union! http://www.facebook.com/hallis.mailen WAS HE PAID???
Capn Rusty commented:
Sure enough, the Union thugs lived up to their reputation:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/03/028500.php
Granny commented:
#31 March 2, 2011 at 11:46 am
Mary commented:
What is Hallis Mailen protesting? HE IS UNEMPLOYED and doesn’t appear to be in a union! http://www.facebook.com/hallis.mailen WAS HE PAID???
_________
Of course he was paid. Most of these “protesters” are being paid minimum wage to be there and a good chunk of them are not even residents of Wisconsin. They’ve been bused in by the unions and the DNC and Howard Dean’s organization from out of state.
Jen commented:
As someone who got to take a tour of the WI Capital as a high school student, I can say that this is a shame that they are turning the beautiful capital into a homeless camp. Most of the people in there are stupid college students who have no idea what they are even protesting about, they were just excited to find somewhere warm to have a drum circle.
I am a fierce Republican, and when I was going to college in Madison I even voted ‘D’ on a major Presidential election (no, no, no, not Obama). I simply had no clue what I was voting for.
Chisum commented:
An up-close look at the enemy
We are at war. We, being the populations of Western nations whose leaders work overtime to sell us out to borderless countries and One World Government.
A big part of any war is propaganda. In World War 11 we had Tokyo Rose. Today we have digital activists and “Sandmonkey”, a “citizen journalist” whose reports from the frontline in Egypt were bought hook-line and sinker by many in the American mainstream media.
The goal of wartime propaganda is to demoralize the masses
[...]
And now for perspective: Forget the hundreds of stories out there, many of them untrue. Take a deep breath and look at your enemy, right up close. A couple of community agitators surrounded by Botox pumped Hollywood stars whose looks matter more than life. You will see up close community activists propelled by an unhealthy and unnatural resentment of the USA; community activists who run off on vacation and come home to who hang out with stars and czars telling them only what they want to hear.
This is the enemy up close and in harsh reality. They are outclassed, outnumbered and disrespected, world wide.
[...]
Obama and his crippled-by-comfort, fat-cat army keep waiting for people to panic. The same ones that stood strong even when blamed for murder in Tucson.
Gather your family and friends around you. Batten down the hatches, hunker down and pass the homemade marmalade.
The panic is about to hit, alright. But it’s coming straight from the Enemy Camp.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/33967
Patriot Act commented:
It really is bizarre how the leftists keep equating mob rule and intimidation with “democracy”. They’re practically opposites.
Sparky commented:
I would put up a sign in the Capital saying “Democrats at Work”, and then I would run tours through 24/7.
In fact, I would have mandatory field trips from all Wisconsin schools and neighboring state schools. Isn’t it time to undo all the Progressive propaganda these children have been forced to endure under the Democrat/Union curriculum.
What a perfect teachable moment that shouldn’t go to waste.
StrangernFiction commented:
#16 March 2, 2011 at 10:50 am
bg commented:
If we are going to save this country, the Republicans are going to have to start giving it to the American people straight. THE CREDIT CARD IS MAXED OUT!
When asked about what deep cuts will do to the economy just BE HONEST: Of course the kind of spending cuts necessary are going to hurt the economy in the short run, but it is going to pale in comparison to what is going to befall this nation if we don’t make them.
If Americans can’t handle that reality then we are already toast, aren’t we?
And it wouldn’t hurt to point out that drilling for our own oil, mining our own coal, decreasing the burden on social services by defending our border, etc. etc. would at the very least lessen the blow to the economy (in the short term) of these NECESSARY CUTS.
Stop dancing around and get serious or we are toast. IMHO West did not do nearly enough there.
Catherine commented:
what I saw was they were and are pigs yes nothing more than goons and bullies that can be brought down.
Capital Police should get pink slips for allowing this.
remember
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaBk1dUF9nM&feature=player_embedded#at=228
White House closes Lafayete Park due to DADT protesters, kicks out media
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/03/01/mob-rule-video-unhinged-crowd-corners-wisconsin-gop-senator-shouting-fk-you-shame/
Mob rule video: Unhinged crowd corners Wisconsin GOP senator shouting “F**k you,” “Shame!”; Update: A Fleebagger returns?; Plus: Sen. Grothman speaks; Fleebagger met state Senate GOP leader in Kenosha
By Michelle Malkin • March 1, 2011
video
I got bad chills up and down my spine watching this group of crazed, pro-union Madison thugs gang up on a lone conservative in a public space just trying to do his job.
Mass. Democrat Rep. Michael Capuano’s words “Get a little bloody” echoed in my mind like a soundtrack while watching the video clip.
Catherine
time to fire all the union goons I will not buy products made by unions.
I will not shop at democrat owned stores.
Don Rodrigo commented:
So: Tea Partiers show up for part of a day for a demonstration, and clean up after themselves before they leave. This makes them evil, violence-prone racists who need to be called foul names.
Leftists show up, stay for-frikkin-ever, stink up the joint (literally), vandalize stuff, strew garbage about, threaten people, are foul-mouthed and filthy, and assault reporters and legislative staffers. This makes them heroic front-line troops for social justice.
Don Rodrigo commented:
So, under which category to we put Fatty McFatterson, the Jabba-the-Hutt wannabee who’s simultaneously snoring and farting on the Capitol building floor?
Is he a student? A vagrant? A goonion member? Waiting to be flensed by a whaling crew?
Lisa G in NZ commented:
not sure about the smell in Wisconsin, but they’ve just found poop in the Ohio capitol building…
yes
poop
KC commented:
Wash your feet, man!
Lisa G in NZ commented:
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2011/03/state_sen_tom_niehaus_accuses.html
Mary commented:
Grothman is not being honest.
I went to the protest in Madison on Sunday afternoon, about 12 pm when they were going to shut people out of the building that day at 4 pm. This is the first time I have ever been in the building in my life. The building was full of people, but it was CLEAN. Exceptionally and surprisingly clean, and this was BEFORE they were supposedly shutting it down to clean it. Yes, there are posters everywhere, but there was not one bit of vandalism to the property itself. The floors were so clean, one did not have to even question sitting on it…even at the very center of the rotunda, just 2 rows of people back from the microphones where people have been speaking for the last two weeks or so. I went to the women’s bathroom, it was spotless. You’d never know that people had been in that building for the last 2 weeks. I even saw protesters with brooms. We listened to the speakers in the center of the rotunda, and yes, some of the center drummers were hippies and students, but the crowd itself and most people lining up to speak their minds were mostly average, working class people, a cross of our society…multiple races and ages from the very young to the very old, with the majority being of working, middle age. To be honest, I was extremely impressed with this crowd. Even the speakers continued to praise and encourage the crowd for its continued cleanliness, orderliness and peacefulness…to much applause.
Now, regarding the “slobs”. Yes, there are a few people who look sloppy like the one in the photo, and yes, some do have a box, or some things with them, but they keep them near themselves, and pick it all up when they move from space to space. I saw this myself, and it is also very evident, we walked through the entire building that was at access and I did not see one sign of someone having abandoned a spot with garbage left behind. Although there were over 1000 people in the building at the time I was, there was absolutely no odor, no body odor, etc. Finally, because Walker would not let people back into the building, anyone leaving the building knows that s/he cannot come back in….that meant that many of those people were there for many days without a shower or change of clothing. Obviously, this means that they will not look their best. However, they are demonstrating to something they care about, and it is often young people like students, frankly, who don’t have children, who can take the time like this to sleep in the capital. That doesn’t mean that they are inherent slobs, or “hanger’s-ons”, as Rep Grothman refers to them. (I feel he brings shame to himself for those nasty comments.) Regardless of what side of the issue one is on here, the citizens of Wisconsin holding that protest have been extremely respectful, and I felt proud when I was there. I didn’t agree with everything the speakers said, but I did feel proud of the way my fellow citizens were conducting themselves. I would have left if I felt it was a free-for-all, or disrespectful. Most protesters there were holding signs opposed to Walker, but I did see some people holding up signs of support, and they were right there in the crowd, being treated with respect.
Thinking about it, Rep Grothman wants people to think that the people in the capital protesting aren’t people that you and I would respect. That reminds me, when I was there, one of the speakers tried to do a “roll call” to see who might be there from other states. They stopped after a few states called out, because there was hardly a response from anyone in the crowd….it was mostly Wisconsinites… Governor Walker keeps mentioning that, too, in his press conferences….the truth is, that those present are mostly from Wisconsin.
Taqiyyotomist commented:
#48 Mary
Wow, you convinced me. I’ll believe your excess verbosity instead of my lying eyes. Nevermind the picture above, or the countless others we’ve seen. Nevermind the video the other day of drumming, chanting, dancing, tribal hippies who bragged about smoking dope in the State House. You said you were there, so it must be true. A mob of respectful, clean, hardworking citizens, who would never lie and say they were Wisconsin residents and not bussed in on the taxpayer’s dollar.
/sarc
AaronZ commented:
Mary:
Your overlong post reads like carefully crafted North Korean propaganda. According to you, the protesters have created the perfect mini-society. Clean, respectful, dedicated, patriotic, diverse, peaceful…
You covered every possible base. I don’t buy it at all. Sorry.
Dave-O commented:
Mary – I’ve contrasted the scene that you just painted (above) with the actions, language, and scenes of the crowd in the video posted last night that was harassing and threatening Rep. Grothman.
The two contrasting scenes just can’t be reconciled. Period. Sorry.
SturJen commented:
Not to mention that turning MY state Capitol Building into a hippie commune was not what it was built for. I don’t care how ‘clean’ you think it is; it’s a disgrace.
So tell me: Did they take the stuff off the Vet’s memorial yet? Or did they clean off the used Big Mac Bags from the top of the WI constitution?
The place looks awful. I pay my taxes, heck my union brother painted that place (they way overpaid for that!) and it looks like the flipping UW Union! It’s disgusting – clean it up.
AuntieMadder commented:
What a shame. All those libturds assembled in one place but no PETA members to roll that beached whale back into the water.
AuntieMadder commented:
What her comments lack in quality, Mary more than makes up for in quantity.
AuntieMadder commented:
Patriot Act commented: “It really is bizarre how the leftists keep equating mob rule and intimidation with “democracy”. They’re practically opposites.”
Patriot Act, Thomas Jefferson would disagree with you. What you see happening in WI is democracy in action, which is why the Founding Fathers rejected democracy, and chose, instead, to make the US a Republic.
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” – Thomas Jefferson
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.” – Thomas Jefferson
“We are now forming a Republican form of government. Real Liberty is not found in the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments. If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy, or some other form of dictatorship.” – Alexander Hamilton
Dr James McHenry: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”
Benjamin Franklin: “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
The US is a Constitutional Republic. It is not a Democracy, a Representative Democracy, or even a Democratic Republic. As Dr. Harold Pease pointed out in his article The Founding Fathers Rejected Democracy (see below), the word “Democracy” is not in the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights.
The Founding Fathers Rejected Democracy
by Dr. Harold Pease
The Founding Fathers universally rejected democracy and hoped that posterity would never turn the United States into one. The word they used was “Republic,” which is not synonymous with “Democracy.” The word “Democracy” is not in the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights. Even the Pledge of Allegiance is “to the Republic for which it stands.”
(snip)
So why did they reject Democracy? Because it is inherently flawed with the “share the wealth” philosophy, which only works as long as there is someone else’s money to share. Those receiving are quite pleased with getting something for nothing. But those forced to give are denied the right to spend the benefits of their own labor in their own self-interest, which creates jobs no matter how the money is spent. They also lose a portion of their incentive to produce.
Read the rest here: http://www.libertyunderfire.org/2010/06/the-founding-fathers-rejected-democracy/
Are We a Republic or a Democracy?
by Walter Williams
In recognition that it’s Congress that poses the greatest threat to our liberties, the framers used negative phrases against Congress throughout the Constitution such as: shall not abridge, infringe, deny, disparage, and shall not be violated, nor be denied. In a republican form of government, there is rule of law. All citizens, including government officials, are accountable to the same laws. Government power is limited and decentralized through a system of checks and balances. Government intervenes in civil society to protect its citizens against force and fraud but does not intervene in the cases of peaceable, voluntary exchange.
Contrast the framers’ vision of a republic with that of a democracy. In a democracy, the majority rules either directly or through its elected representatives. As in a monarchy, the law is whatever the government determines it to be. Laws do not represent reason. They represent power. The restraint is upon the individual instead of government. Unlike that envisioned under a republican form of government, rights are seen as privileges and permissions that are granted by government and can be rescinded by government.
How about a few quotations demonstrating the disdain our founders held for democracy? James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 10: In a pure democracy, “there is nothing to check the inducement to sacrifice the weaker party or the obnoxious individual.” At the 1787 Constitutional Convention, Edmund Randolph said, ” … that in tracing these evils to their origin every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy.”
http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/index.php?news=4080
It’s no mystery why socialists, communists, union thugs and other libturds are pro-democracy.
“Democracy is the road to socialism.” – Karl Marx
We Social-Democrats always stand for democracy, not “in the name of capitalism, ” but in the name of clearing the path for our movement, which clearing is impossible without the development of capitalism. – Lenin, Letter to Inessa Armand (1916)
“Social-Democracy, however, wants, on the contrary, to develop the class struggle of the proletariat to the point where the latter will take the leading part in the popular Russian revolution, i.e., will lead this revolution to a the democratic-dictatorship of the proletariat and the peasantry. ” – Lenin, Two Tactics of Social Democracy (1905)
From Chapter 3 of The Unseen Hand by A. Ralph Epperson:
“It is generally conceded that even a monarchy or a dictatorship is an oligarchy, or a government run by a small, ruling minority.”
“Such is also the case with a democracy, for this form of government is traditionally controlled at the top by a small ruling oligarchy. The people in a democracy are conditioned to believe that they are indeed the decision-making power of government, but in truth there is almost always a small circle at the top making the decisions for the entirety.”
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“That’s the bitter truth, and it must be looked straight in the face. This barrier to the expansion and development of the American socialist movement will not be overcome, and even a regroupment of the woefully limited forces of those who at present consider themselves socialists will yield but little fruit, unless and until we find a way to break down this misunderstanding and prejudice against socialism, and convince at least the more advanced American workers that we socialists are the most aggressive and consistent advocates of democracy in all fields and that, in fact, we are completely devoted to the idea that socialism cannot be realised otherwise than by democracy.
The socialist movement in America will not advance again significantly until it regains the initiative and takes the offensive against capitalism and all its agents in the labour movement precisely on the issue of democracy. What is needed is not a propaganda device or trick, but a formulation of the issue as it really stands; and, indeed, as it has always stood with real socialists ever since the modern movement was first proclaimed 109 years ago. For this counteroffensive against bourgeois propaganda we do not need to look for new formulations. Our task, as socialists living and fighting in this day and hour, is simply to restate what socialism and democracy meant to the founders of our movement, and to all the authentic disciples who followed them; to bring their formulations up to date and apply them to present conditions in the United States.” James P. Cannon, SWP’s West Coast Vacation School, September 1, 1957
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It’s a crying shame that the Dept of MisEducucation, the lamestream media, and even our own elected officials have, through generations of lying, convinced almost all Americans that the US is some type of democracy when it’s not. What we have – our Constitutional Republic – is far superior to democracy because it protects and promotes liberty while democracy squashes liberty, which is, no doubt, the reason for their lies. They want to be that small group of rulers at the top of a democracy. They are the reason that our Founding Fathers rejected democracy.
Lisa G in NZ commented:
#55 auntie madder, great comments… totally agree!
save the Republic!
Mad Hatter commented:
The top picture is proof that Michael Moore was present during the rallies in Madison.
Cal commented:
Grothman has proved that he’s an elitist slimeball.
John commented:
I see one person sleeping and five cops standing around…where are all the slobs?
This Senator is degrading the people who put him in office…are you telling me that every person in the union is a liberal democrat…there are absolutely no republicans in the union…I find that impossible to believe…just saying
IWasThere commented:
I was in Madison last Saturday, with better than one hundred thousand people. Every word Mary says (#48) is true.
JPL17 commented:
I suspect #59, #60, #61 and Mary are liars and/or lefty tools. Please crawl back to the Sorosian hole from which you oozed, thanks.
IWasThere commented:
Why is it so important to you that workingmen and women be slobs/thugs/liars/lefty tools? Why is it so important that so many in this forum be supporters of two brothers who are worth 48 billion dollars? Are they really so threatened that they need you?
xiphos commented:
“Hallis Mailen sleeps on Sunday” should read …. Halis Mailen is beached, GreenPeace on the way.
Typical of far too many union “workers”.
Badgerdoc commented:
I’ve been down there about 8 times. The folks harassing Grothman were a small subset of the protesters. I agree that their behavior was not appropriate. I disagree with Glen on damn near everything, but he is a nice guy. All this being said, if you want pics of the huge crowd (over 100K people) last Saturday, I can show you. It was a slice of middle America. It was the American middle class. It was people with jobs, many of us non-union. It was people who look like you and I do. It just was. Now, with Walker’s budget coming out, there will be way more Wisconsinites against him. Many socially conservative folks in small towns are pissed about cuts in local aid. Walker may win this one, but he will be recalled. You watch.
John commented:
#62 – JPL 17
Thanks for answering my question with the typical right wing answer – none
Patriot Act commented:
Hey, MARY.
If the protesters left the capitol so squeaky clean, as you claim, then why is it going to take an estimated 7.5 MILLION dollars to clean it up and repair the damage? Read it and weep:
http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-20110303-capitol-cleanup-costs,0,5141893.story
Badgerdoc commented:
There will be no 7.5 million cleanup cost. Most of the tape used is that blue “painters tape” which leaves very little residue. I don’t believe there has been any other “damage”. Just how much “Goo Gone” do you suppose you can buy for 7.5 mill?
Mary commented:
I agree with #65…he may win, but he will be OUT.
#68…Have you been there? It’s easy to throw around those big numbers that certain lawmakers just love to have you throw around. 7.5 million? I laughed out loud when I heard it…what a bunch of liars…and you who want to believe it, go ahead and throw that number around. Tape damage worth 7.5 million? Use your head, man!! Sounds like Walker is going to hand that job over to some Koch Bros division with no bidding.
You all believe what you want. It’s easy to find that one photo or video out of hundreds or thousands possible, add a bit of commentary and “boom” you’ve got people believing just what they want to. I was there and know what I saw….the WHOLE picture. #61 was there multiple times and saw the same thing. My Gosh, the guy in the picture here has cops all around him. The damage he’s doing must be so severe, to get those cops to stand around like that? Very talented trickster!
Taryn commented:
I was there over a period of 18 days…witnessing the reawakening of the American Spirit…The large man in the photo, Hollis, is a Vietnam Vet (Veterans for Peace)…He is a hero…I could engage in offensive rhetoric, which appears to be the standard “right” way to communicate, but I will rather refrain. There is a shift happening…not only to our planet, but to our human evolution. You can resist it, or…wake up. You have a choice. We all have free will. I challenge the”right” to be accountable…where are you???? I did not hear your voices…I did not see your faces….Are you not concerned for the change in tides? Please come out of the shadows…So far my impression is that you are paralysed by fear and anger…Open up your hearts and minds…You too can create Heaven on Earth.
Taryn commented:
As afr a the price tag on the cleaning, it has already been “ammended” to under 400.000…a slight difference.